I wonder how many people understood the lore without watching videos?
>>696960373Me, because it was literally identical to Demon's Souls and I played Demon's on release. Incidentally, it's identical to literally all the games they've made:>After a great and bloody conflict, a nobody is bestowed with immortality by a force later revealed to be mostly sinister and subversive in order to exterminate the last vestiges of gods, lords, etc, either knowingly or unknowingly in the employment of some other eldritch or unnatural entity.
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I got most of it.>>696960804Demon's Souls has more in common with Bloodborne than DS1.
>>696960976The story is the same in all 3:Through subterfuge, you are tasked to kill a bunch of shitters by an unnatural/eldritch entity. In BB and Demon's, it makes more sense because the intent of these forces is made clear and Dark Souls storytelling is a mess, so in a sense, you're right.
The gods gotta relight the fire but need u to do it cause you got the darksign or whatever so you go to do it then realize that the snake was actually tricking you and you actually gotta piss in the fire so the gods can die and the age of man (mcdonalds and ford) can begin right? Who the FUCK is the fertive pygmy tho???
>>696961227>it makes more sense because the intent of these forces is made clear and Dark Souls storytelling is a mess, so in a sense, you're right.Dark Souls is more up front about Gwyn and Gwyndolin being manipulative pieces of shits, you just have to do some secret events that spell it out for you once done.In DeS, the Monumentals are manipulating you, but what they're doing isn't necessarily bad. They want to help out humanity because they share a common mistake. The old one is a primordial force of the world that doesn't really have any affiliations and all, but its products are a net negative for people and thus it should be sealed away. The alternative is the player becoming a power-hungry, selfish demon that will mindlessly consume all as shown by how you crush the Maiden in Black's skull in.
>>696960373I understood the lore without watching videos because 90% of the lore videos are wrong
>>696960373You don't need to understand, that's the point
>>696960373Ironically, anyone watching videos likely doesn't get the lore.
>>696960373Dark Souls really isn't that complicated and very little of the "lore" actually needs to be understood in order to engage with the story and its themes.
>>696960804The only similarity with Demons' Souls is that they are both dark phantasy in medieval settings.
>>696960373DS1 has a pretty solid and concise story. You don't need understand the background of every Zanzibart toenail you pick up to get it.
>>696960373Souls games are overrated janky messes that are given the pass because people find the accomplishment of having beat the game to be a valuable as a tangible trophy
>>696960373There's nothing to understand.These "Souls loremaster" faggots DID watch the videos, and they looked up the guides as well. Notice how people on the internet casually refer to the first Elite Knight NPC as "Oscar" even though he remains unnamed in the game. The sources for a lot of this bullshit are not even the game itself. The Dark Souls' fanbase is nothing but a big, performative internet circlejerk. Most of the commonly accepted lore online is either a single possible interpretation which was arbitrarily decided upon by some Jewtuber, or it was completely made up. Also, LMAO when someone claims they conveniently "guessed" Gwyn was parriable, despite him being the only parriable boss in the entire game and also twice the PC's height.The way that a new player *should* approach Dark Souls is to avoid all the internet attention-whoring and retarded theories. You're supposed to get into the game as blindly as possible and come to your own conclusions.
>>696963057He's not even called Oscar in the credits. I think they just call him "Undead Asylum Knight" when crediting the voice actor.
>>696960373Nah, nor do I care
>>696961791This is really splitting hairs, but again, it's basically the same story.
>>696960373I'd like to think I did.>I am a literal beacon of light in the darkness, destined to succeed where countless others have failed>My goals just so happen to overlap with a snake's>I get to work cleaning up a massive mess that a selfish king made>I engage in jolly cooperation and leave helpful messages and jokes for other souls on the same path>Another snake tries and fails to buy my loyalty with a promise of lordship>I defeat the king>Having cleansed the world of its greatest known ills and fulfilled my purpose, I stoke the once-fading fire with my own life
>>696960373There isn't a single lore video that gets everything right in the first place, and much of these games' lore rely on subjective assumptions.For instance in DS1 you don't know if Gwyn is good or bad, because you don't know if the age of dark is good or bad.People who like stories of rebelling against divine authority will generally assume he's bad, but what if the age of dark does turn out to be horrible?
>>696960373das1's lore is very straight forward and easy to understand. it wasn't until 2 where shit became nonsensical gibberish and unfortunately 3 continued that trend.
I get my lore from the best source; anon posts.
>>696964338>People who like stories of rebelling against divine authority will generally assume he's bad, but what if the age of dark does turn out to be horrible?That's certainly what I thought. I thought the last thing humanity needed was someone called a Dark Lord ruling over them, and I didn't believe I was the man for the job, either.I thought that the current rulers of the age of fire were the ones causing the fire to fade, and that's why I killed them all and then linked the fire again.
>>696960373I did. But to be fair the lore was only really finished with The Ringed City. With only DS1 you only get the basics.I tried watching a "deeplore" video once and it was just autistic headcanon rambling over random object placement. I quit it like 10 minutes in.>>696961231Both snakes lie.>>696961791>Dark Souls is more up front about Gwyn and Gwyndolin being manipulative pieces of shits, Eh I think that they are more sympathetic than people give them credit for. When you finally see what the age of dark looks like in DS3 most people consider it a pretty nasty place.I think it is more a case of "yeah it was a bad decision but to be fair letting go of everything you have built and seeing it crumble is hard".>>696961867>>696962329This.>>696964109That's the most straightforward interpretation that the other path of DS1 and both sequels put into question.
>>696964662Terrible idea.Unless they're mine, then you're good.
>>696960373If you watch videos you will likely NOT understand the loreThis is especially true for Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3
>>696960373Everything you need to know about the plot is in the intro movie.
>>696962487Nah. [Slayer of Demon's/Chosen Undead] is granted resurrection through [Dark Sign/Nexial Binding] and the ability to cultivate power from the [Candle Maiden/Firekeeper]. They're urged by the mysterious [Monumental/Serpents] to kill the [Arch Demons/Lords] in order to down a corrupted monarch [Allant/Gwyn] that lusted after the ancient power of [The Old One/The First Flame]. Along the way you will meet an enthusiastic [Ostrava/Solaire], a holy knight that will ultimately become corrupted. Don't forget your to find the big guy to get his oversized armor [Biorr/Havel] and don't forget to get carried off by gargoyles at some point and have a dragon set fire to a bridge!
>>696960373the lore is quite simple really, you don't watch the videos to understand it, you watch it to see all the people trying to desperately cover up the immeasurable amount of contradicting plot holes these games have.
at least darksouls had a cutscene and dialogue that explains what is happening. its Bloodborne that actually dropped the ball catastrophically and leaves you with no idea whats going on or why and even today most of the lore stuff is just speculation
>>696964847It was so bogus that Elden Ring didn't have a cool intro movie.
>>696960373I don't think people agree on the lore regardless. It's meant to be mysterious, vague and barely there.
>>696964338>But what if the age of dark is bad?Well, winter is bad, but you wouldn't sacrifice souls to prolong the summer. If the fundamental laws of the world demand change and hardship, you must face it.
>>696962487The motivation of the character, their circumstances, the state of the world, and a ton of other shit is identical.
>>696965038The age of dark isn't like anything that came before though. It's not a cycle.This is why people fear it, it's unknown.It might be inevitable, but you might wish you had delayed it further when it does come.
It's a biblical allergy n' shieetIt's piss easy to understand
>>696963618The only reason why people call him Oscar is because someone datamined the game and posted about it on Plebbit at some point. The character was literally only named Oscar in the game files and nowhere else. Every Soulstard from that point on ran with the name to show off and brag that they have all seen the same Plebbit post. You MUST call him Oscar now, otherwise you're not "in the know" about this fricking epic meta-knowledge. This level of circlejerk is genuinely psychotic.
>>696965234These games are some of the most Christian ones I have ever played lol
>>696965219>It's not a cycle.nta but it is literally a cyclethere's an age of fire, then an age of dark, then a new age of fire, etc.
>>696965334The age of dragons wasn't an age of dark.
>>696965334Sez who? And why do you believe them?
>>696960373this is like understanding the lore that my 8 year old made up for his action figures
>>696965421Correct.The age of dragons was prior to the division between fire and dark. It was a grey era with no separation.After the first flame, there was fire but there was also dark.>>696965494What's the relationship between the great lords of DS2 and the characters of DS1?
>>696964965It really was. We should've got a cool movie introducing all the Great Rune bearers, getting us hyped to go kill them.
>>696965890Instead:>oHHHHhhh, ye, uh what are we calling you this time>TARNISHED, ye buyer of games
>>696964867The Old One and the First Flame are not interchangeable by any stretch of the imagination. The First Flame provided souls, the Old One devours and destroys them. Allant and Gwyn are also different. Gwyn gave away all his power in a vain attempt to preserve his kingdom, while Allant brought his kingdom to ruin because of his lust for forbidden power. Ostrava is also not a holy knight and doesn't use miracles or magic. Havel is also more similar to Garl Vinland, but with a bigger shield and nobody to guard, and no sister that wants to find him. Many things between Demons' Souls and Dark Souls look similar at first glance, but have important differences like these if you look a little deeper.
>>696966252They are more or less interchangeable. They are both a more-or-less sinister devouring force that provides magic. The Old One devours souls and the First Flame devours the Undead. Allant and Gwyn are basically identical. Power hungry assholes. Havel, Garl, and Biorr are just interchangeable big guys in armor with extremely 1-note motivation. Again,
I read some of the descriptions. It's honestly better off as some vague experience, instead of something you spend hours listening to some youtuber drone on about. The story isn't what's amazing about it. It's the presentation, the ambience and weight of it all.
>>696965334how does the age of dark transition into a new age of fire?
>>696967601The age of dark ends and the fire springs up again. The firekeeper of DS3 hints at this in the end of fire ending (aka the good ending).https://youtu.be/jWRgKolp7LQ?t=74
>>696964338Maybe that's the thing about the story that's true to life. You never have enough information in front of you at the same time to make an optimal assessment of reality. Tariffs are good until you have to pay for the American stuff, and paying more for the American stuff is bad, until you realize that the people you were buying the cheap stuff from are using the profits to fund a massive navy to invade other countries, or maybe they're building that navy anyway, and you're just paying more for nothing.
>>696968068Whoa there, partner.
>>696968058>somehow... the flame returnedbravo miyahacki
>>696960373most people didnt even get that its a comfy exploration game with occasional rhythm minigame
>>696968281>ummmm how does the Sun come back once it is night??????
>>696961791>Dark Souls is more up front about Gwyn and Gwyndolin being manipulative pieces of shits, you just have to do some secret events that spell it out for you once done.I only found evidence of gwynevere being a manipulative piece of shit on the description of a ring she gives me, or that I found somewhere where it says she already fled the kingdom. With gwyn, from what I found online, the only evidence that points towards him being manipulative and with continuing the age of fire as something bad is what the snake in the abyss tells you. Although if you talk to the other snake in firelink shrine first, you can never meet the other. Was there anything else that pointed to gwyn prolonging the age of fire artificially as causing the hollowing issues rather than just that one snake in the abyss you talk to? I would've liked to been able to talk to both so that the two choices at the end would've been more morally ambiguous, as everything in the game seems to point to continuing the age of fire as the morally best choice. But I suppose that was done because the director wanted players to have very different experiences with the game.
>>696960373Al I saw without watching indepth videos was the Buddhist message across all of Miyazaki's works.Be is Souls series(samsara<>nirvana), Bloodborne (bardo<>reincarnation stage), Sekiro (very explicit) or Elden Ring (various forms of Bodhisattvas and their means to save the world)
>>696960373the opening cutscene implies that inexplicable magic causes certain people to be born with a dark sign. so that's the lore: magic did it.
>>696968392not the same as a fire getting physically extinguished, you braindead fromdrone
>>696968427>Was there anything else that pointed to gwyn prolonging the age of fire artificially as causing the hollowing issues rather than just that one snake in the abyss you talk to?Not him, but I sure don't remember anything of the sort.With the knowledge that the fire is fading, seeing a hollow Gwynn very much not on fire next to a flame that needs kindling led me to believe that he wasn't prolonging the age of fire, just his own life.
