is the fighting game fad finally over?And, if so, who killed it?
>>697607698Capcom marketing killed the entire genre by being too aggressive.
>>697607698>MK>45 peoplegrim. I wonder if fucking Multiversus has more people playing it.>600LOLOLOL
>>697607698Very excited for Vitua Fighter to return. I can finally get in on a fighter right when it comes out.
>>697608165VF is going to flop, hard. We're heading into the early 2000s levels of popularity for fighting games.
>>697607698Capcom killed it by promoting the cancerous FGC and esports within the genre.
>>697607698>is the fighting game fad finally over?I just wish they stopped simplify the game mechanics for a casual audience who doesnt play them
>>697607698The leak of futa porn...
>>697607698Fatal Fury and Virtua Fighter are my last hope. If those suck too i will retire to the fightcade mines.
Strive unironically killed the genre
>>697607698SF6 and TK8 being shit killed the genreAlso people stopped caring about GG Strive (+ they announced a fucking guest character)
>>697607698Fighting game players have the worst crabs in a bucket gamewarring mentality known to manEven fans of the same series will shit on different game entriesThis leads to an incredibly fractured and frankly schizophrenic community
All this "dead" and "THIS GAME IS GOING TO SAVE THE GENRE" talk is exhausting. A proper death would be>companies stating that there won't be a new entry in their flagship series>every fighting game gets delisted from Steam>Fightcade gets shut down>locals lose interestThe genre is not dead, YOU want it dead.
>>697610407Don't forget, once it goes popular, the narrative shifts to>normalfags killed the genre! It was only soulful when it had 100 people playing on FightcadeClassic /v/. Never content. Constantly mad and upset.
>>697607698The same 3 brands being at the top and repeatedly having shitty monetization that ruins every minor fighter released after it.
>>697610581Fighting games are getting very samey and dumber tho.
>>697610992That's gaming as a whole
>>697607698for me it was wokenessfighting games ain't the same with all the censored and woke new character designs so i just stopped playing newer ones
>>697611521This, I'm a proud, anti-woke, White race warrior and these games just aren't for me anymore
Capcom determines whether fighting games are allowed to live.No new Street Fighter for 10 years: fighting games are dead.SF4: Revived the genre more popular than every.SF5: Shitty game, made people question if this whole fighting game thing is worth it. Fractured the community. SF6: Even shittier game, people are cutting their losses.
>evo had more competitors than ever this year>DEAD GENRE
>>697612248Evo is the absolute worst fucking metric ever for the health of the genre. Literally kill yourself you waste of shit.
>>697612343>STOP THE COUNTOk then what metric do you want to use if tournament entries don't count, twotch viewers at noon on a tuesday? Lol.
>>697612493The variety and quality of fighting games, you fucking ape.
>>697607698>Twitch viewsThose parasocial addicts dont play video games.
>>697612592>My personal opinion if a game is quality or not is what matters!Why don't you just lead with that and save us all the time?
>>697607698>And, if so, who killed it?no p5a
>>697612248Esports shit is fucking cancer
>>697607698Shithead casuals like you who wanted flashier combos with less work combined with a cinematic story mode
>>697613301>NO STOP LOOKING AT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP TO PLAY IT'S DEAD DEAD DEAD!
>>697607698>Disgusting westoid bullshit between those JP gamesFuck off you fucking mutt pig. You will never be Japanese
>>697613620Shut up retard
>>697613620Fuck the West but especially fuck the Japanesefat smelly weeboo
>>697607698>Games become less and less quality over time>Shove in more and more season passes and microtransactions, no longer unlocking secret characters and cool costumes>Shove in more and more ESPORTS COMPETITIVE RANKED shit>This caters to autists and jackasses who treat the game like a devoted job and drive everyone else the fuck out, including each other, like >>697609610 indicates>This shoves out general appeal and casual audiences playing at parties with friends>Less and less reasonable options for splitscreen/local play, society generally being less and less about third places (Arcades, game stores) or actual social interaction where you can play with friends>The Esports meta autism demands the same characters and same play and even fields and 2d games every single time, which hampers creativity, variety, new gimmicks, strong differences between games, etc.>Also a time where, amongst all that, game industry circling around cultural war shit and character designs being less and less varied, more by committee, and worried about getting bad press for someone being offended>All of this culminates in antiquated game designs, borderline homogenous characters, small if dedicated playerbases, and little desire to pay $70 for any of itTl;dr: The FGC got what it wanted, the corpos needed to make a buck, and society didn't allow for iteration and civil community.I honestly would almost say it's a successful example of strong gatekeeping, but a phyrric victory at that. I say all this as someone who spent more time on fighting games than pretty much anything else as a kid, all considered. And I miss Soul Calibur dearly.
>>697608013A character just came out for that game to be clear and it's probably all viewers from 1 streamer.
>>697613620I think you're cool, bro. keep it up.
>>697614018>Shove in more and more season passes and microtransactions, no longer unlocking secret characters and cool costumesThis is one of the biggest parts in my opinion, these games are still priced at 60-70 dollars, still do seasonal character releases so you have to pay like 20-25 bucks to get every character each season, and on top of that have started to add all the gay shit every other game has like battlepasses for stupid little stickers and gay shit like that, and fotm rotating shops that only let you look at/purchase certain bundles. If the games were free to play or cost much less than AAA shit i think more normie retards would opt in even though it has all this shit, but they aren't.
>>697607698Tekken 8 is one of the worst fighting games i've ever played, and i played launch SFV
>>697614018Casuals can honestly get fucked, I don't know why people are so hellbent on helping or catering to them when they're given every tool in the universe to improve and they'll still houserule to ban moves they think are unfair. They won't ever be the new blood that is actually needed because they will never enter practice mode to look at frame data.
>>697614437Fighting games have possibly the worst opportunity/cost buyin of any genre aside from maybe RTSs and flight sims, assuming the "opportunity" is fun and "cost" is both literal and time investment. That's only gotten worse with time as the skill floor climbed, Esports popularized, and all that shit propagated. You're typically already about $90 deep to have a full game of content that has like half of what older games have. If you wait for a sale, you've missed most of the game's popular FotM and learning period, so good luck getting a game that isn't against the same five people and catching up to them.>>697614686Okay, bro. Sure, you're right. Enjoy playing the same game for the next ten years until the nearly identical new release, if they even make one before deciding a new entry wouldn't be profitable. Which, in fairness, the target is now $1B or else it's shit and they execute all the developers, so how could it be?
Fighting games suck
bros, should i get Strive?can't play fighting games for shit
>>697615245Yeah anon surely the solution is to make moves and combos easier so casuals can feel welcome.Wait that's what they did and casuals are still crying. Hmmmmm...
>>697607698Street Fighter 5 launched to an awful state. It started the DARK AGES. >Consequences1.Turned the genre’s already bad issues up to 11.2.Practically every nieche franchise dies >Part 2 Guilty Gear the false prophetMilked to shit and turned the genre into anime fighter garbage for freaks>Results1.Guilty Gear gets worse with each update2. The Mighty Mortal Kombat has fallen though regardless it was WB’s fault3. Street Fighter and Tekken are still dominating and have become “slop”4. Genre is over centralized around E-celebs and pseudo internet clout.
>>697607698Twitch has been in the decline for years and is no longer a good basis for game popularity
>>697615519High level MK was always a joke
It's a bad genre
>>697614018>The Esports meta autism demands the same characters and same play and even fields and 2d games every single time, which hampers creativity, variety, new gimmicks, strong differences between games, etc.I don't have much to add, but I'm replying because the esports focus is really killing these games. It's harder to play silly shit when you want, and it feels sanitized. People can rag on melee all they want, but it only got traction competitively because of all the silly casual shit
>>697614686What the fuck is frame data actually though?that's the problem with you spergs, you pick apart these games like weirdos, and then you assume everyone else knows what you're talking about.
>>697616625every game has frame data, just most games are too shitty for it to matter
>>697616721I literally don't know what "frame data" is. That's just words.I got like a punch and a kick, and a fireball, as far as I can see...
>>697615729What are you talking about, bro? How do you play, bro?! NO ITEMS FINAL DESTINATION FOX ONLY BROOO 1V1 ME SCRUBBBB
Don't bother with this >>697612825 guy, anons. He's likely a Capcultist since he's using big numbers as an indicator/objective metric of quality. They do so the most because they can't actually say how their current game, SF6, is actually good otherwise.
>>697616625If you're trying to make a point that we need to cater to people too stupid to understand the concept of what plus on block means and too arrogant to spend 2 minutes looking it up, then there is no winning. No fighting game can ever be made again since no casual will ever like it.
>>697616853>I literally don't know what "frame data" ismost knowledgeable /v/ poster
>>697617385I'm genuinely asking what does the term "frame data" mean? Normal people don't know these things.
You could literally ask 99% of the people who played Street Fighter at some point if they knew what "frame data" was, and they would only look at you confused.
>>697617456>I'm a normal person!>Arguing on 4chan about a game genre he allegedly knows less than nothing about and demands the games be made for himAlright bro.
>>697615454if you have a legit interest for the game (is not as bad as some screeching boomers say), go for it. If you believe what you ear here and expect it to be a really easy game you will have a bad time. It is still a fighting game, still hard af for someone without any experience. Arguably even more frustrating than sf6 for new comers due to it's anime mechanics
>>697617571So you throw around strange inside baseball terminology, a person asks what it means, and you get mad.And you're confused about why casuals never seem to be comfortable getting into the genre?
>>697617592I didn't know people said it was bad.
>>697616853it's how fast things are you dumb fuck
>>697607698DEI killed it.
>>697617836So, speed? You could have said that.
>>697617706There are an unfathomable amount resources at your disposal that you can take advantage of to learn. If someone truly wants to do something they do not need to beg someone to explain it to them.This is not 1998, you have access to more knowledge than what the best player at the laundromat cab can offer.
>>697616625>What the fuck is frame data actually though?There you go
>>697617964There's an underlying point here that you all behave strange, and standoffish, and then you turn around and go "ugh, the casuals are never satisfied".It's because of you, man. You have bad vibes.
>>697617892wasn't me"i don't know what frame data is you are just making stuff up" shows an attitude where you don't want to learn. You aren't asking what it is, you are proclaiming ignorance and already refusing to even try to understand. Games work in frames so frame data is the time every part of every action takes. If you're competent, you've already internalized some amount of this by knowing what moves are fast, what moves are safe, what moves leave you at advantage if they are blocked, etc. This is all "frame data."
>>697617790it created a deep fracture in the fanbase. Think of it like melee vs brawl. Old players are still furious after 4 years
>>697618087How I behave on an anonymous image board to someone intentionally acting pigheaded is not an indicator of anything. You have not made any point here other than casuals you are trying to mask yourself as refuse to put in even the most bare minimum of effort to understand something.
people talked about how shitty and terrible sfv was its entire lifespan and I thought it was not great at the start but definitely fun for a good amount of time, probably half its lifespan. But no one ever stopped saying it sucked ass on here.Now 6 is out and I think its way better and more complex with all the resource management but, naturally, everyone on here won't shut up about how bad it is. What's funny is that now everyone is waxing nostalgic about sfv. Its so transparent that no one actually plays these games seriously on here, if they play them at all. With 6, characters turn green a lot so all anyone says on here is LOOK!!! GREEN AAHH!! SLIME!! and posts deejay using it five times in a row. It just smacks of people who don't know shit about what they're talking about glomping onto the one thing their monkey brains can understand and using it to shitpost forever.My opinion on street fighter is that all the mainline games are flawed in some way, but they're all also really fun if you actually get good at them. but I don't think anyone on here has the patience to get good at them so they just play an hour, if anything, then look up the common complaints about the game and then parrot them for 8 years until the next one comes out then they get filtered by that one too and the cycle continues.The game is fun, sfv was too. sorry faggots. get good.
>>697618137No one does this autistic shit in any other genre. No one is out there making graphs about how long it takes the gun to fire in Mario. What the fuck?
>>697618267Which one should I play then?Or is the answer "don't"?I'd play SF6, but it still has Denuvo.
>>697618087If you say "i don't know what that is, please explain" I'll probably explain.If you say "that's not a real thing, stop making up stuff" you're an idiot and I'm going to call you an idiot.
>>697618274Because it's a strange and autistic way to play a video game, man. No one else is doing this stuff.I just want to pick my guy and do punches, and you're yelling for some reason.
>>697618412I didn't say it wasn't real.
>>697618292https://leetify.com/cs2-spray-patternshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A
>>697607698>And, if so, who killed it?Ironically fighting games killed themselves. They became too insular. Too up their own asses. Too competitive. Nobody thinks they can play them so they just twitch stream. And while I'm certainly not arguing that they be made less complex, what I do feel needs to happen is they need to go back to the players, not the tournament fags.
>>697618385play what you like the most. You won't find the motivation to stick around if you don't like the game and they are all hard anyway. I couldn't get into sf6 just cause i find it ugly af. Strive is fine if what interests you the most. I suggest you to wait a week cause the 23rd a new patch that is supposed to fix a lot of things will come out. So more players and maybe a sale
>>697618292because its not mario fps, its two players facing each other blocking and getting hit by each other's moves so knowing if you can attack or not after blocking something is important. it doesn't take a genius to figure out why knowing when your opponent is -9 and knowing which one of your moves has a 9 frame startup is a good thing. You press the quick 5 frame startup one, you don't get as big a punish. you press the super strong 10 frame startup one, your opponent blocks it. use that gray shit between your ears, fuckhead, and stop piping up in threads about shit you know literally nothing about.
>>697618908why you turning video games into math homework?
>>697618825every game out these days is easier and easier to get into, easier and easier to do cool shit, with more flashy stuff to make people feel good about stringing a few buttons together. The long time tournament players generally hate it and most of the people who were playing from 2005-2015 have fucked off to play older games leaving the massive new generation of players who don't know old games to take over, which is why the new games are more popular.
>>697618969you don't need to math if you just look at the data.
>>697618969
>>697618825Fighting games are more accessible and for the players than they have ever been though. The only reason why it seemed better in the past was ironically the lack of freeflowing information that we have now that MAKES it actually accessible at all. It's not like frame data is a new invention.Back then you thought you were good and cool because you didn't know what the actual good players were doing. Now you see the best players run circles around your skill level while distracted reading their chat.
>>697619130I don't see how that's fun.
>>697614437>>697615245>Spend more money on passes and DLC than t he actual game costs>Last season finally comes out is when they announce the new game and start the process all over again>Oh and by the way the old version of the game is dead now and a lot of the new DLC is going to be the same exact shit you boughtI remember when games were played because it was the games people actually liked. Old games could last for ages.
>>6976182766 is frustratingly stupid and has mechanics that reward reaction checks and forcing coin flips over battle strategythe combo openness, the footsies, everything else is fantastic but its all overshadowed by how stupidly oppressive and homogenous the overarching system mechanics are
>>697615643High level video games are a joke on principle. "Professional" Esports only result in marketed shills deciding for the the larger audience what they can and can't be allowed to like.
>>697619238>I never played fighting games before SF4
>>697619192then fuck off. what do you want me to say to you.
15k for Street Fighter seems pretty decent
>>697619395I want you to stop making game weird.everyone was happiest when they could just pick up game and fuck around without knowing what anything was.
>>697607698>45ouch. almost feel sorry for them.
>>697619559Well that cat isn't going back in the bag so either deal with it or go away. Some people actually like improving, you should try it sometime.
>>697619684you should learn to play an instrument or learn code, and stop being tryhard about toys.
>>697619559>like a game>try to learn more about it because you're curious>now you've ruined it>have to find a new game>start to enjoy it>be curious>start to learn it>oops ruined another game, ah dangliterally every game out there someone has explored and figured out how it works.
>>697619838yeah, they keep ruining em.
>>697619826I've played the french horn and sang in choirs for 2 decades.
>>697607698Fighting game culture is actually a thing and fighting games are a lot less interesting now that that culture is suppressed.
The truth is people will find any excuse to not play fighting games. >BUT IT WAS SO GOOD DURING THE MID 2010S WHEN MUH HARDCORE FIGHTANS LIKE XRD WAS ALIVEPeople stuck with titles they wanted. Nobody gives a shit about (your) game. Every relevant fighting game now has exceptional netcode. You have no excuse to not play. You dont even have to engage in a gay ass discord server so complaints about trannies is irrelevant since you dont have to engage with anyone.
>>697619927https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A
>>697619927>ALL GAMES SHOULD CATER TO BRAINDEAD CASUALS LIKE ME! STOP LEARNING HOW TO PLAY BETTER THAN ME, ITS NOT FAIR!you are a tremendous faggot who has accomplished nothing in life
>>697620149this guy would ruin Mario if he had his way. Case in point.That is EVERYONE in the FGC.
>>697620391aren't you that faggot that was crying about the Dragon Ball Sparkle tournament like a week ago
This guy is funny>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST PLAY THE PIANO WITH SHEET MUSIC YOU HAVE TO PLINK AROUND RANDOM KEYS!
>>697619559you can play any of these games and not know any frame data, you're just gonna get your ass kicked online because you don't know what moves are safe or not.Even if the data was completely unavailable (which it was for a long time), you think knowing when you can press or not was ever not relevant? just because you're ignorant of a system doesn't mean it ceases to exist. It was just even harder back then because everyone had to memorize on a move-by-move basis if they were plus or not thru pure repetition.What is your argument here? 'stop' because 'its weird'? you simply don't know anything, and the source of your frustration seems to be that you're upset other people are daring to not also know nothing. you're a casual. just mash with your friends in fightcade once or twice a year, smile and be happy and don't make other people suffer through reading your posts on here.
>>697607698I see no problem though? Fighting games are niche but this niche is surprisingly big. We now have more people outside of NA/East Asia finally getting good at these games which means wider appeal and bigger online. Usually I find a match very fast living in East Europe. I don't know what's gonna happen when SNK and Sega release their new fightans but so far we're eating good, probably better than ever since we have a buffet of oldies as well ready to be played on Fightcade.
>>697620642n
>>697608165Shame it's going to sell poorly. This genre needs competition
>>697620645A video game isn't a piano. It's just playing toys with more steps.>>697620710>What is your argument here? 'stop' because 'its weird'?Yes. You refuse to have chill, and it freaks people out.
>>697619238>Old games could last for ages.Even if we ignore the billion versions of Street Fighter 2 or the annual KoFs and only go back a bit over a decade, those games still only lasted until the new game came out and had the other problem where simultaneous releases weren't a guarantee/Japan getting an arcade version way before everyone else got to play, and that's not mentioning delay netcode because honestly people say the same shit about playing online now with rollback as they did back then so who cares. Some specific games could last you years.Would I go back to buying content updates sold for $60 with a few new characters/stages every couple of years instead of buying a game and then watch the developers sell season passes of characters for the next 5 years? Well UNI2 was the only fighting game I bought this year and I paid more than $60 for that, but I don't think I could do it unless it killed literally everyone who cries about games being dead because they're not getting content updates.
>>697620836>I see no problem though?It doesn't have CoD/Fornite numbers, so it's bad and dead
>>697607698Casuals, the core games need to be hard,fun, imbalance and mechanically challengingnone of this homosexual easy mode combos on SF6 and shitty 50/50s with no movement in tekken 8. SF was known for being clean and technical so make it clean and technical. Tekken was known for it's movement and neutral, so bring back the movement.Garou being sent to the slaughter when the fade is over and everyone hates slime is hilarious though, SNK can't catch a break.
>>697621001a piano is just playing toys too
>>697619559>everyone was happiest when they could just pick up game and fuck around without knowing what anything was.Even if people know nothing about frame data's existence, they were counting frames even if they didn't realize it. The only difference is that its extraordinarily documented now.
>>697621158fad not fage whatver
>What? How i know every plus and minus for every move and block interaction?>Sorry brah never looked at frame data, i just play, if you know, you know
>>697607698>finally overin what way? whats the larp here? they finally got the netcode right and takes less than a minute to get matched on the popular games.
>>697621257you shouldn't document it. Just feel it out, and stop stinking up the vibes.
>>697621650The game documents it.
>>697621650i dont get the problem here, you can always mash with your friends, fighting games always had the tryhards, you would never take a round from a proficient SF2 or KOF97 player.
>>697621754Unrelated but I will never pick this stage to play on, no matter the game.
>>697621937even back in the 90s with not documentation or manual at all, hell those mexican only source of information was playing on their broken down bootleg arcade and they still thrived.
>>697621392trannyback netcode enabled all the trannies to join the FGC from the comfort of (((their))) trooncaves, so all the FG devs are now pandering to trannies with censorship and system mechanic slop.
>>697607698Why does the existence of fighting games make /v/ so mad? If they were too hard for you just say so.
>>697622154>trannyback netcodeITS OK FOR ROLLBACK TO CONSISTENTLY SKIP1-3 FRAMES ITS NOT LIKE YOU NEED TO SEE THEM XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>697621937I don't like know that nerds are out there judging me.
>>697622249Name literally one good fighter that isn't tranny shit, smash shit, anime shit, ugly as fuck, or boring to play
>>697622154Rollback is the reason you don't have to play games with censorship or system mechanic slop. The only ones who unironically seethe over it are smashbabies.
>>697622154>>697622352Retards
>>697622487>>697622608Don't botherhttps://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/bb-0myR4VLVNsdwxpMV2-A/
This subtroglodyte board has been saying fighting games are dead or dying every month of every year since it came into existence. If it's not retards whining about having to do some middle school level reading, reaction speed checks or level of memorization it's the other retards saying that the genre is dead because the specific games they liked or played as a teenager aren't being made anymore because the devs fucked up or because devs decided they didn't wanna make that exact same game again.
>>697622435+R, Blazblue, Street Fighter 2, UNI2. These are the best ones you can play right now. Three of them are anime, you thinking that's bad is your own problem.
>>697622628Funny
>>697622691>anime shit Lmaoooooo
>>697622640>Soon there are people who are going to be yearning for the days of injustice 1 infinitesHIT EM WITH THE DUMPSTER AGAIN BATMAN!
>>697607698Didn't mk release just last year?
>>697622859Stay mad
>>697607698The problem is that people dont want new easy to learn fighting games, they want the old games to be dumbed down to feel like Daigo. DNF and Granblue removed almost every "sweaty" shit and they still dropped those games after a few weeks. The same will happen with 2XKO.
>Good NetcodeMostly good matches but sometimes you had 1 that was horrendous, it slowed everything down and it felt like shit.>Shit Rollback NetcodeAll matches will be bad matches cause it literally needs to skip frames regardless of your MS and god forbids you have more than 110ms cause then it starts skipping entire startup animations.
>>697622952MK1 did very poorly, it got less than half of the amount of players that showed up for 3rd strike at evo. NRS games just aren't fun.
>>697622961Cope
>>6976076981v1 pvp is not popular
>>697623195Whatever helps you stay calm
>>697623253Just relax lol
>>697622983>they want the old games to be dumbed downUsually I see people complaining that fighting games are being made for dumb babies now, but at the same time most people also refuse to play any fighting game that actually has a bit of a learning curve.It's how you end up with a bunch of people sucking off something like GGXX while the player count sits below 100 most of the time.
>>697623330>On the mic>Mortal KombatLmao>Took weeks to get ONE WINLMAO
>>697623378>GGXX while the player count sits below 100 That’s honestly a misconception on statistics. Around 100 is how many people are currently playing, not the total active playerbase. +R still has a good sized playerbase, just most people will always go to the newest game in a series.
>>697622875>dude I can't BELIEVE that testament didn't keep the gameplay that the devs admitted was an abomination that shouldn't even be in Xrd bro. UNBELIEVABLE.
>>697623829See >>697623790
>>697623378I meant old IPs, my bad. Strive is a good example. It wasnt popular until Daisuke basically removed a lot of stuff and censored some characters. Makes sense for sales, but on the long run this new wave of fighting games will age like milk because they all are doing the same shit.
>>697623378That only happens because XX is old. What's Strive excuse for being dead?
>>697623963strive is not dead
>>697624018see >>697623829
>>697623127It's also ugly and unappealing to look at
>>6976240563K for an anime fighter is dead for you?
>soivers has entered the threaddead thread
>>697624018It hovers around 1000 outside of dlc days so it’s not exactly thriving
>striveWhy won't they just go away for fuck sake
>>697607698I hate fighting game streamers. Anytime I tune into their streams, they're either just talking about fighting games or permanently in training mode.
>>697624143absolutetly
>>697624335slightly 50% of them will be gone soon enough
Zoomers are dumbing down every form of media.
>>697607698every modern fighting game is just>he did system mechanic X so I do system mechanic Ythey're gambling games, not fighting games
>>697607698go back to your containment>>>/vg/faggot doomposters in THE 2nd GOLDEN FUCKING AGE of fighting games
>>697624356>fortnite timmy thinks 3k for a fighting game is low
>>697624503punching is a system mechanic
>>697624537RTS is a dead genre
>>697624487>dumbing down fighting gamesthey always were the dumbest genre lmao
>>697624335here to stay baby. Are you gonna kill yourself when strive 2 comes out?
>>697624335>anime alternative are granblue, a game more infested by trannies, UNI, a game for autistic nerds who play only this franchise for 10+ years, Melty Blood, a complete fucking kusoge and Blazblue, a dead franchise>new alternative coming is 2XKO, a chinese jewish game by Riot which is a shitty tag team with 50 beat combos and 5 TODs per characterOnce again secondary subhuman do not understand that Strive, despite being garbage, is the best anime game possible on the market by a fucking landslide.
>>697624609you have a skewed perspective. SF6 the biggest fightan atm has barely 6k. You don't play this genre
>>697624664>strive player unironically claiming to be a woman
When the fuck is a daily peak of 2k or more on steam alone for an anime game dead? Say strive's shit, say strive's neutered, say strive's for monkeys sure but that game is only gonna be "dead" at the level of pre strive GG games whenever a game that feels and looks just like it comes out.
>>697624531The second golden age was the first few years of Tekken 7. It's over. SF6 and T8 are both shit.
I think part of the problem is the over importance on online play as the absolute metric of games success. Most people playing fighting games, rather games as a whole in fact, largely either want to play by themselves or with their friends. So it might not seem like a game has a strong online presence but that shouldn't mean a game isn't successful. This may sound like casual talk but generally speaking it's not fun to go online and get absolutely trounced by the "hardcore" players
>>697624664Oh you'll 41% long before that
reminder to those complaining itt about system mechanics
>>697624954I wouldn’t be so sure about that
>>697624503
Fighting games aren't ever gonna have another comeback. Zoomers are taking over the mantle and none of them play fighters.
>>697624879This is true. Most of the people i know avoid playing online with the sweats, but like to play with their friends in the same room.
>>697624764>new alternative coming is 2XKO, a chinese jewish game by Riot which is a shitty tag team with 50 beat combos and 5 TODs per characterthey are reducing combo length and the bullshit after the overwhelming complaints during the alpha test. That's something at least
Strive is a shit game but its the most active anime fighter and probably the most played anime fighter out of anything out of the genre. The western players of the subgenre had YEARS to build a solid following but all the "my game good, your game bad" infighting has made it impossible.
>>697625138>none of them play fighters.then why sf6 is huge in japan? then why strive playerbase is 90% zoomers?
>>697625168Couch coop/vs in general seems to have been really downplayed in the more recent years. I can't say I like it. Online is certainly handy and important but after a certain point it's like it's become the only metric a game is judged by. And I don't like that. Me and my buddies will still bust out a sega saturn whenever we have time to get together.
>>697624764Why is Blazblue being a finished franchise a bad thing?
>golden age>Anything Tekken 7 relatedTekken 7's biggest accomplishment was being the ugliest Tekken game since t2 and managing to be barely better than sfv. Both were still unmitigated dog shit.
>>697625138Strive's entire playerbase are zoomers. SF6 has multiple 18 year olds making top 8s. Tekken 8 has unironic Fortnite players playing it and winning purely off their reaction times.. You're fucking clueless
>>697625413T7 was my first fighting game so it's automatically good. Simple as
>>697625221The game still looks like shit. I wonder if Arcane will be enough to carry that game, because i doubt that LoL players will be interested after a few weeks.
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>>697625526By that metric Yie Ar Kung is the best fighting game
>>697625413It was also better than SF6 and T8
>>697625465No it ain't it all zoomers just has younguns as the largest group of people playing
>>697625587>looks like shitdoesn't look much different than any arcsys game. Maybe animations are a bit worse but is 100x times better than shit like sf6 and mk
>>697625613I never played that so it's bad. Simple as
>>697624879>it's not fun to go online and get absolutely trounced by the "hardcore" playersThis is an unreasonable fear to have for fighting games nowadays imo. Fighting games have multiple options now to ensure that 1st timer Jimmy isn't getting matched up against some dude that's put 1000+ hours into the game.Sure, you could get really unlucky and run into a smurf. But unless you're doing some dumb shit like waltzing into player lobbies or playing some really niche fighting game that has a small dedicated population, there's no fucking way you're going to be running into any "hardcore" players until you git gud and start climbing the ranks.
>>697625465And all those games are the lowest points in their series in terms of gameplay, lmao.
>>697625793>Fighting games have multiple options now to ensure that 1st timer Jimmy isn't getting matched up against some dude that's put 1000+ hours into the game.Yeah that doesn't work. And even if it didn't there's nothing to really encourage people to try.
>>697625526It was the 1st fighting game I actually learned how to play beyond button mashing and I will have it as the 3rd worst fighter I've ever played until the day I die.
>>697625756The animations are ok, but it looks floaty and generic for me. Like a mobile game.
>Mortal Kombat 1 didn't listen to it's player base at all and got nuked hard>Tekken 8 didn't listen to it's player base at all and is now verge of being nuked>Street Fighter 6 had rough start becoming trannycore but got it's shit back together after.>-Strive- became the default trannycore, it's still an ok but very dumbed down game.>Soul Calibur was executed because it didn't sell enough with 2B DLC>Dead or Alive was abandoned by it's developers because tits and softcore porn don't sell in the modern era and the only guy who knew how to make fighting games was fired>King of Fighters went through a rough developing hell but ultimately redeem it self>City of the Wolves marks the new era for SNK and is going be clearly aiming to be one of the biggest modern Fighting Games in the market>Killer Instinct never ever because Sony now owns EVO and Microsoft doesn't even wanna get on that line>Rip smash and and Nintendo, at least it's clones are now popular>Virtua Fighter 6 announced and now bearing the light of hope for all Fighting GamesFighting Games are still at okay spot. It's just their producers who think a +AAA Fight Game should have same amount of players as Counter-Strike and League of Legends with less work.
Personally, as a casual, mortal Kombat 9 was the peak of the genre to me. The game was just fun and the characters were sexy. I didn't care about balance.
>>697625963that's more of a source material problem no? Lol characters are not the most original things
>>697625917>That doesn't workIt literally does.
>>697607698The genre has been killing itself for decadesIn any iteration, either the game or its community is far too much of a gatekeeper. As a result, the overall playerbase only ever gets smaller over time, and can never grow.Not necessarily a bad thing, since the games that benefit do have a small but elite playerbase. But if the goal was to grow the game and create a healthy and lasting community, almost every fighting game bombs in that. SF is the only one that kind of pulls it off, but more due to brand recognition than actually successful effort to do it.
>>697625413SFV was good
>>697625413>Tekken 7's biggest accomplishment was being the ugliest Tekken game since t2No one said this, T7 looked amazing
modern humans are just not mentally equipped to handle 1v1 games. Why every 1v1 genre is dead now compared to the 90s? Everyone is a narc with a fragile ego. They NEED teammates to blame. Ever heard team based pro players comms? It's pathetic, it's all deflection and ego protection, no one ever takes responsibility. This is the modern man
>>697626058Sauce?
>>697625793Anon, you need to understand that "hardcore" and "sweaty" players is just shutter speak for "they're better than me".A scrub could be in the SF6 Gold ranks, but if they eat a double perfect that means that the other player is clearly some hardcore EVO champ and that matchmaking has failed them. They won't even humor the idea that the other player may have something like basic fundies down while they're still struggling with the concept of blocking on wakeup.
Fighting games appeal far too much to a niche crowd to have appeal to most beyond the autists who enjoy complex combos. It’s like shmups where they never really evolved a whole lot, some fighting series feel like they haven’t evolved at all since the 90s
>>697625603
>>697626496And both genres are better for it.
>>697626496>Fighting games appeal far too much to a niche crowd to have appeal to most beyond the autists who enjoy complex combosThis hasn't been a thing for 2 decades holy fuck killyourself already
>>697607698MK9 was the perfect foundation to build uponMKX was okay, the variations weren't that offensiveMK11 was the beggining of the end. The stupid gear system was fun poisonI'm not surprised in the slightest that MK1 bombed. It's not even worth playing for the story, I've heard.
With how small fighting game player bases are, getting in as a beginner is a nightmare. And in order to even be reasonably competitive you have to know all sorts of oddball techniques and shit. In most shooters you just need to know how to shooter and you can probably do ok. Fighting games are just a genre with a really steep learning curve that nobody has really figured out how to bypass besides nintendo with smash and capcom with marvel vs capcom
>>697625794Well we wouldnt have this problem if people actually played their fucking games if they were so good
>>697626646Look at the movesets for kof 15, they’re still tough for those not initiated to fighting games. It is not a pick up and play genre if you want to play against anything but bots
>>697626058>Dead or Alive was abandoned by it's developers because tits and softcore porn don't sell in the modern eraDoA is permadead now because they went all in on the softcore porn with Penis Vacation.DoA6 being dogshit certainly didn't help things, but that wasn't the nail in the coffin.
>>697607698>is the fighting game fad finally overIt's getting there.>who killed itVaries based on the game, but anyone who pushed aiming for for eSports and the modern audience.
>>697625368Because modern fg playerbase, hell even video games playerbase, is mainly zoomers who cannot fathom playing a 10+ year old game that is not getting patched. Despite fgc being composed of many oldfags and veterans, they will rather flock to proved games like Third Strike or XX than playing Blazblue which always was bootleg GG without sovl even if really compelling mechanically.
>>697607698YeahWhen a game tries to do something different, people will hate it and demand [previous game]. Like with Tekken 4Then they try to casualize it after listening to people who only play fighting games which resulted in the game doing poorly because there wasn't anything to do except Versus play (SF5).The genre became too obsessed with combo and flashy stuff.Tekken was kinda grounded, sure there was some funny stuff like a bear or a little gay dinosaur but you didn't have to watch being juggled for half your health because you got hit once.Then there is the issue with frame data and shit like that.You're just looking what move you should use to play optimally and which combo you should use afterwards. There has to be a better way
>>697617342>a fucking retard claiming MKucks, Tekkucks and DBZogs haven't been numberfaggingI'm glad I quit fighting games last year. I am so tired of lying vappaturds like this motherfucker that clearly never even played fighting games. SF6 is a flaming piece of shit but you're still a giant stupid faggot.
>>697626373I'd post that comparison of Asuka in the Tekken games if I had it. Or t7 lars' ugly mug too.
>>697626709this is inaccurate, at least when it comes to the most popular games. if it's a discord fighter then sure but if it's street fighter or tekken you can match up with people who will jump endlessly or do literally one move the whole match. it is totally possible to be a beginner who learns nothing and play against other beginners who learned nothing and have fun.
>>697625683My friend, 18-25 is absolute PEAK zoomer age, it's literally 97-2005, the most agreed on zoomer birth range.
>>697607698Harada and Murray killed it.
>>697625683>says "it ain't it all zoomers">post chart showing it's over 50% zoomersare you fucking retarded?
>>697625683Brightest Strive player
>>697627478Tekken 8 is a pretty picturesque representation of what went wrong on multiple levels. Clive is such a bizarrely out of touch pick it's basically comedy. He didn't even bring up the numbers either.
>>697607698>Make a roster of 30 characters >3 of them are overpowered >Everyone just uses those 3 I don't understand why fighting games have a meta on par with card gamesIs it really that hard to balance shit?
>>697607698>So desperate for mainstream attention you sell out to trannies and freaks and pander to them to the point the FGC is rivals speedrunning for the playerbase with most troons>Pander to compfags who you see as the voice of God for fighting games. This breeds complacency and prevents experimentation as they just want fighting games to stay the same as the game they had the most success in competitively >at the same time you listen to CoD playing MOBA loving gacha spending normalfaggots who bitch and moan about how inaccessible the genre is and so you dumb it down for knuckledraggers and introduce crutch mechanics to make it (((even))) which only turns off the majority playerbase who aren't hypergood compfags but aren't braindead beginners>trying to serve 3 masters kills the game resulting in shitty entries.>playerbase shrinks into two hugbox camps that never interact only hypercomp autists in upper ranked or private and the casuals who never stick around or are able to get over the hump>continue to obsess over numbers over principle and ideals leading to more of the afformentioned problems>introduce more scummy buisness practices like MTX and season passes (that just recycle characters from the previous game) to make up for the lost revenueThat's what killed fighting games
>>697627814They made the excuse he was already developed and ready for Tekken 7 but never released, so he was instead saved for Tekken 8.Those niggas really smoked some high grass. Then they were making the excuse Tifa is just too expensive.
>>697627215I agree it’s not as popular as XX or 3S but I can still find rooms or make one whenever I play it. If it had the quick match or fightcade lobbies I think people would quickly stop calling it dead.
>>697617385>>697616625>it's easy to learn, just look it upMaybe try to display information. For example, when you a dragon punch and it gets blocked, everyone can see that you're fucked. You're in the air, can't do anything until you land but the other guy can do whatever they want.Framedata is fine for things like that but for smaller advantages, it gets difficult. It's why some people get upset and ask "Why is he faster than me!?">>697614018Worked really well for RTS>Why would I buy new game when I could just play SC:BW, WC3 or AoE2??Now it's about MTX and season passes.I'm pretty sure you can please both casual and autists. I mean give a game a strong campaign/SP mode and they're happy.Autists don't give a fuck about that and can just jump to mutliplayer>b-but what if character dies? (eg. bad guy)Just include him in the roster. Don't even have to include him in the story or make a story about when he was alive, I dunno.I don't know why Harada couldn't keep Jun and Heihachi dead but just make them playable
>>697627461Yeah no shit I know what a zoomer is but >entire playerbase isn't 57%. Majority of the people playing it for sure though.
>>697607698>MK is dead>People only ever shittalk Tekken 8>SF6 gets one update a year The games are successful (except MK1) but they're ran by skeleton crews. People have big problems with Tekken 8 and SF6's gameplay but they'll never be addressed
>every fighting game now is random button with plus frames into forced mixupgrim
>>697607698MORTAL KOMBAT WAS NEVER FUCKING GOOD
>>697625368It just is. If something is finished, it's not finished, it's dead. You might get a good story, an overall amazing package. Like every story has an end, you know. But not with videogames. Because videogames are entertainment/art that can be stretched indefinitely. You want a character to have an arc? No, fuck you. That means he would get different.Look at FF7. Old game and SE tried to fix it by turning it into a franchise but old people are just too stupid to understand so we only get one trilogy.Look at GTA Online. There was a lot of content released but then they had to work on a new game and ever since then there is nothing. The game has literally no content anymore.See>>697625221Riot listens. They will fix the market, because we'll get a new fighter every month man.
>>697628906pretty much.
>>697628906That's D8 only though.>>6976290079 was good.
>>697618385Strive is still alot of fun and is the most alivePlay it, and if you like how it plays, consider maybe trying an older guilty gear like Xrd or XX
>>697629129That really makes no sense. A fighting game is not improved by the devs suddenly fucking something new up and forcing you to deal with it for the next 3 months until they change something else. The fact centralfiction will never get another update is a positive, and the fact there will never be a new Blazblue fighting game is an even bigger positive. It sounds like fighting games aren’t what you’re looking for if you want constant change and new things. The main appeal of them is playing the same one and becoming better at it.
>>697629245strive and SF6 are absolutely plus-into-mixup games though but strive gets a pass because that's just anime games in general i guess
I think there is nothing wrong with simplifying a game. The issue is how they solve that shit.>here new control scheme where you can do a cool combo that's normally too hard to doHow about reducing combo lengths and juggling and make it more focused on footsies/neutral?
>>697629553sf6 actually removed most plus frames from sf5, but then they retardedly decided to make drive rush plus.
>people praise virtua fighter as le epic old skool game for true thinking patrician>the entire game is a hyper aggressive rps simulator with no neutral>other games take the same route>now it's badso what the fuck do you want exactly?
>>697629802You're misinformed about Virtua Fighter
>>697625091they didn't used to be, when you had several options that could deal with a move but after a brief attempt at pandering to casuals with simplified inputs they decided to instead just backload all of the games complexity into system mechanics that makes it much easer to pick and play the newest dlc character of the season pass instead of having to learn character specifics or take advantage of more ambigious aspects of the game like movement to deal with the constant 50/50 mixups that are exciting to watch on stream so every modern fg is designed around them
>>697629802>t. D8 player
>>697629574That's boring
>>697628047Or maybe, literally just play the games you want. This is all just nostalgia, and even then people had GOOD GAMES and they never played any of them. Just claimed they did but barely played them outside of fucking Street Fighter IV amd V.
>steam servers restarting ended my set Gaben...
>>697630138Just because you were not alive during the arcade era when the culture was born doesn't mean nobody else was. You can cope by comparing player counts and sales but gaming as a whole was ten times smaller 20 years ago so that's a moot point
>>697615454>>697618385I’ll say something controversial, starting with Guilty Gear xx accent core plus r is a good entry to fighting games if you’re willing to look at guides from dustloop or youtube to learn it, which is a lot easier than some make it out to be. I don’t truly hate Strive but some parts of it can make it more frustrating or alienate it from the rest of the genre. Plus R is also a lot cheaper to buy so you’re not out much if you decide you don’t like it. There are a surprising amount of new players online and you can check how much someone has played before challenging them.
Why does viewers on twitch determine how alive the fighting games are? Like i'm actually being serious. There's zero reason to watch anybody play Fighting unless there's a tournament or something like EVO or smash gathering. Everybody else is either too busy playing them, or not caring about fighting to begin with. I can understand how viewers tends to translate to sales and interest for other games but not fighting, which is a pure 1v1 pvp experience.
>>697608636Which one of them made it "casual"? because mk and street fighter is still the same as they were before, you won't be able to make combos if you don't memorize very specific inputs.
>>697630542
>>697630542>the only complexity in fighting games are doing combos
>>697630651if you see this often thats on you
>>697630390Thats not my point. You were the one crying about muh culture when the entire point of fighting games is to be played with other people. Fighting games die when no people play them. Even older games have a playerbase now through the addition of rollback and fightcade where even Karnov's Revenge are being played and you expect people to take you seriously with your claim? If people just play fighting games for the culture alone then whats the point?
Will adding the main character of another IP's megaflop be as profitable for Tekken 8 as it was for Tekken 7?
why is MK get shat on exactly?saw a lot of youtube videos shitting on it but they all seem to be very shallow in their points of view. Most of them ramble a lot so i kind lost focus to why they dislike the game so much.>>697614018this
>>697611625kek
>>697629404Don't make it sound like fighting game are something unique. What you said can be applied to many things but franchises/used stuff does sell. Fighting games aren't even tied to lore and stuff like that.If you do something new, people/fans will complain. Only after years and maybe after you had a few more entries, people will start to see that new thing you were doing back then was actually good.
BALOON
>>697631143MK is a kusoge
>>697629574stream apes who don't even play the game always complain when they do that. they want to watch 30 second combos
>>697607698Fighting games are a flavor that comes and goes with epoch and time of the decade. It fluctuates in desire just like dinosaur movies. You want some but not all the time and you absolutely get filled very fast in a short period of time with them (2 months max) then in less then 6 month everyone is bored of them.What i would still like to see as a return is the Bloody Roar series even if for one last hurrah in modern graphics / animations.Fighting games are worst then flavor of the month game, they are more like flavor of the month after 2 / to 3 years cycle. It cannot and will never be as profitable as other genres.
>>697607698why'd MK die so hard? it used to be peak fighting gamealso what the FUCK happened to soul calibur
>>697631427Soul Calibur was a victim of covid and corporate politics. Bamco higher ups wanted it dead because they cant fathom supporting 2 fighting game IPs. Okubo just fought them for a new season. Just when the game was starting to get traction again after a lukewarm season 1, lockdowns came in
>>697623072you are a favela monkey
>>697631209Are we talking about the same thing here? I said Blazblue not having anything new or updates is not a negative thing because fighting games aren’t something you play once and need a new one.
January will be the one. Yours.
>>697631427Scamco management said that the Soul Calibur 6 director Okubo should start learning how to become a manager and stop working as dev because thats the grown up thing devs shoul do. He agreed, so he left to become CEO of Cygames America instead of working for Scamco
>>697631427Die soul caliber schizo
>>697626398>Why every 1v1 genre is dead now compared to the 90s?Fuck I miss Quake 3 Arena and Jedi Outcast 1v1s. 1v1 fps has been the deadest of all 1v1s
>>697632361fighting games are alive
>>697607698It hasn't been a popular thing since Street Fighter 2 on the SNES.Only weird fuckers play fighting games now.
>>697632416They are, but always manage to hitch myself on the ones that are dead
>>697632502Only weird fuckers play anything at this point
>>697631301lots of kusoge out there and people still probably play then more than mk
>>697632361I tried playing Diabotical and it was a fucking chore. not sure if 1v1 f arena games were like that but taking 6 fucking direct rockets to the face to die was retarded.
>about to get into red>some low life clive loser who's been grinding since he came out stops mecringeeeee
>>697631143>Do another "soft reboot" because the last game ended with the universe getting destroyed and Liu Kang becoming a god I guess>But now Liu Kang is actually a god so he changed everything>most returning characters have shitty redesigns, almost nobody has any identity>some fan favorite characters have been turned into assists-only, not actually playable>a lot of lore changes that basically defanged characters like Mileena and Baraka, nobody is actually mean anymore except Subzero (because Scorpion rivalry) and Shao Khan>on the competitive side, game is just boring>characters take five seconds to learn even if they have fancy mechanics and it ends up boiling down to the same kind of meta the last couple of games had, but at 0.2x speed>seriously its so fucking slow you could fall asleep trying to watch it>every picks the same assists because it turns out balancing a game with an assist mechanic is hard but it's also done in a way that feels bad to play with too>remember that part where fan favorites were assists only? now imagine if half the DLC slots were given to guests instead of giving you your character back>Sektor and Cyrax eventually came back but they're women now LMAO>Also not actually robots, just Ironman suits, defanging their lore so it's not so brutal anymore like Mileena and Barakapeople would rather play the previous game instead of the new one because of how much they fucked up
>>697626398>Saying this when people would lose their shit at someone spamming fireballs back then and demand the move be banned
>>697607698lukegawd bros...
15k seems pretty good for SF ngl
>>697632108How do we change legitimately toxic workplace culture like this that only jades people into spiteful unproductivity it's like a cycle of abuse in a way
>>697633951That's the funniest part though, you and your friend find something cheap and neither of you know what to do against it so you both spam it
Where are all the mythical clivefags who said they would play the game?
>>697633906lmao that is hilarious
>>697636971he's in early access right now, he comes out in 3 days for everyone else
>>697637527That's not how it worked for Heihachi. He peaked immediately.
>>697628093>Then they were making the excuse Tifa is just too expensive.To be fair, knowing how retarded and arrogant SE is, that probably was the case.
>>697607698There's 500 people watching M1K. Why would you lie
>>697633123DIABOTICAL CHILD GAME
>>697638179This thread was created 6 hours ago
>>697638648idk what that is a reference to, sorry
>>697638742https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1RZ55ZrXH4old meme, got repurposed for valorant
>>697624664Sauce?
>>697608636Which games are you talking about? Every single fighting game now has like a billion universal mechanics and systems, compare Sf2 CE to Sf6 shit was way more simplified back in the day.
>>697639158SF2 is a kusoge at this point
>>697615245>>697614437The problem is that these games used to thrive in arcades, where the cost of entry was technically high with time but low up front. You plop in a coin, play for a while, maybe you decide it's not your thing, but maybe you think it's worth playing again, and again, and again, and eventually you know what you're doing. Contrast to a daunting payment up front for something you may or may not stick with, that everyone tells you is a slog for hundreds of matches until you get good, that may just frustrate you and wind up being a waste of money. Tekken Revolution perfected the business model for the modern day but unfortunately has been swept under the rug and forgotten.
>>697607698Brawl
>>697616625https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Frame%20Data
>>697639270Yeah but what games now are being simplified for casuals now and how are they more simplified than older fighters like sf2, mk, world heroes, fatal fury sp etc
>>697640146The only real game that got simplified was Strive. The other games just got universal mechanics that reward aggression
RIOT WILL SAVE FIGHTING GAMEScant wait for all the riotdrone 'dead game' posting
>>697640385Fair enough anon I haven’t played gg since X2
>>697640641Strive plays nothing like XX lol. It's just a completely different game wearing the GG skin
>Mai and Terry wasted on dix>Tifa denied entry to Tekken 8>2B looks hot as fuck in Granblue but she's cancer to play againstUnfortunate time to be a crossover fan...
>>697609610>>697614018Isn't this how they ruined RTS too? I don't play those but it's what I heard
>>697640385SF4>SFV made combos massively easier. SFV>SF6 made neutral braindead.Strive has slightly less braindead neutral than SF6 (a remarkable feat, given Strive is giga retarded) and a few legitimately hard execution characters. Combos are easier than Xrd and there's no jump install, variable wakeups or FRC you have to rote memorize.Tekken remains tekken. Just worse to play because Heat and Rage and straight up unfun.
I’m an uber casual and most fighting games seems like lazy rehashes with little content and tons of DLC. It doesn’t help that getting good takes ages and losing is never fun, especially when you’re getting curbstomped. I’m curious about that new VF. Hopefully it’s got decent single player content.
>>697641879just stop being a faggot. Losing means nothing in those games.
>>697607698Looks like VF6 will be the killing blow. The whole thing reeks of Sega Hired This Man
>>697618292That's just not true. Mario 64, Minecraft, Doom, they're all different genres and they've been autistically dissected too, FGs, MOBAs and shooters just have more of those because it's a competitive genre and people wanna get their advantage over others.
>>697642720Why?
>>697643442He got filtered by VF.
Filtered: The thread hyper larping 2
>>697622640Why would you just scream out to the world what a newfag you are like this
>>697642191It’s unfun, bro. That’s why fighting games are in the state they’re in.
>>697644775How can you look yourself in the mirror after typing something so cringy?
>>697630138>just suffer fools bro>just let them encroach on your genre bro
>>697613297I'm still mad about this.
I wish they were less predatory Back then it was new versions all over the place so it made you less confident to buy a game because 6 months later there might the EX + Alpha Omega Super Turbo Ultiimate version.With DLC there's hardly any fighting game that costs its original price which kinda sucks. Also something about tunnel vision on the Esports crowd that somehow thinks the rest of the world wants to buy a full price game with a 16 man roster game with no content other than playing online.
It feels weird having only paid for DLC for a fighting game only once in my life.
The only way to save fighting games is to make a new Arcana Heart
how is street fighter dead?
>>697647367It went woke.
>>697647463schizo
>>697647463ok dude
>>697647536>safe horny censorpants for modern audiencesok dude
>>697647654you do know that these are fake 0 and 1 pixels right? changing the color of her pants to a skin color wouldn't change the model which isn't censored at all - it's skintight.
>try guilty gear, bro!>it's beginner friendly! it doesn't matter that the last fighting game you've ever touched was dead or alive 4!And then it's instantly gay with dogwater systems and botched interactions. Instantly dropped when Bridget was a thing. At leats I caught up on and enjoy Ramlethal now.Anyway, fgs are dominated by browns, blacks, trannies, and autistics or focus on the mind game elements. There is no fun to be had. Whole genre is dead to me. Filtered, even.
Fire God Liu Kang sucks at his job.
>>697647907schizo
>>697607698Mortal Kombat took the DEI pill and is suffering the consequences of thatSF6 is a duty fighter and T8 is the only new 3D fighter worth shit
>cammy wearing pantsjust lolcrapcom went downhill way back when they removed her nipple bumps in sfv. amerifats were scared of even the implication of nipples
>>697648031It's the only 3d fighter
Did they add insta kills to strive yet? Trying to pull them off what by far the funnest part of xrd
>>697609569Strive is the only reason fighting games are alive, kys rev2fag
>>697648293No, they suck
>>697647654I’m fine with how sf6 did it, you literally get her old outfit for free.
>>697648329Retard.
>>697617975>words words words wordsYeah no wonder fighting games are fucking dead
>>697648293Slayer, Sol, Dizzy, and maybe Ramlethal I don’t play her, all have 100 meter cashouts that are pretty much instant kills by the time you have 100 meter. But no real IK yet. They should add stun back and have it like xx where you can guarantee them on stun.
>>697648469Retard.
>>697607698>Mortal Kombat 1 player
>>697648383Minus the 20 hours of your life you lose playing the garbage mode that nobody likes yeah.
>>697613301>>697612343Nigger what EVO is a public entry tournament it reflects player and community interest to go to an actual tournament to play at that's the only real metric for the health of a fighting game
>>697630542Dont both of those games have "simple inputs" for specials now?
more interesting special movesno 30 second combosgoonable characterswala, fighting games are popular again
>>697647959false, and you know i'm right
>>697648802>more interesting special movessuch as?
>>697648660It was a fun little story. Whining about singleplayer modes is pussy behavior. I beat the whole thing in about 10 and I wasn’t trying to speedrun.
>>697648723Evo is a Sony gaming convention that also incidentally involves a fighting game tournament.
>>697647907>browns and autisticsSo from the beginning you larping retard
>>697648868No it's very much a fighting game tournament first and a convention second.
>>697648802Literally Blazblue
>>697648856No actually it was probably the stupidest and most incoherent story in the history of Street Fighter despite being the longest and most expensive.
>>697648905no, the beginning was based arcade cabinets for all, not just the poors
>>697648840I always liked adon's air kicksmost characters already have enough moves but each game only gives like half of themor they restrict when you can do it, like only when jumping forward
>>697648995How is that an interesting special move?
>>697648856Every single dollar and every second spent on that piece of shit mode was a resource not spent on making the actual game good.It is also a convenient excuse for Capcom to shit out 4 characters PER YEAR (at the same price as 6 character passes btw) and cultists themselves keep defending Capcom for all this shit.
>>697648939Nah it was enjoyable. I’m glad they went for something like that. It’s really easy to get the costumes for anyone except JP or Akuka by the way.
>>697648926I hope they rebootI enjoyed that game in training mode but it was dead when I got it
>>697649046it's fun and changes your trajectory in the air
>>697649048World tour is actually part of the game. And sf6 is as good as sfv, just with far better singleplayer content. You can call me a cultist for not acting deranged over a game having fun things all you want.
>>697649129Luke can do that in sf6.
>>697649062we'll get mai and amane as guest characters in ggtag
>>697607698It was never alive to begin with
>>697649062It will never reboot because Mori left but CF is still active. Nobody uses the big lobbies for some reason but there’s always player rooms. Unless you’re the New Zealand guy.
>>697649167When are they going to have you failures start shilling Monster Hunter, it's only 2 months away
>>697649327You cannot possibly be older than 20.You probably shouldn't even be on this site.
>>697607698not letting me earn sf6 dlc characters makes me not want to play the game. give me backfight coins
>>697648469Even blacks can play fighting games, you are literally dumber than a black person
>>697607698Fighting games were not meant to be played online. They rose as a in-person community genre that single-handedly kept arcades somewhat relevant throughout the 90s. The move online just amplified the autism while simultaneously making for a worse experience due to mutt internet connections.
>>697649450I accept your concession. I knew nobody would genuinely think singleplayer content is bad.
>>697649167I don't buy fighting games to fight against fucking CPU opponents.SF6 will have less characters than SFV. The shitty pseudo-Shenmue mode and the player made abominations absolutely do not make up for that.
>>697609569>>697648329>revive it, then kill it again dare I say based?
>>697607698honestly? i still believe all the blame lies with Capcom, the way their fanbase cannibalizes the genre by bullying/downplaying fans of other studios, and the DLC practices they started with SF4. nobody wants to buy these games at launch for $69.99 with 20 playable characters – PLUS a $24.99 Season Pass that'll add a meager ass 4 additional characters in a YEAR. they got away with that shit for two dev cycles but players are catching onto the scheme. now they're waiting till the 2nd to last (or last) revision to buy-in at a signficant discount instead of buying what have esentially become Early Access versions of these titles.and i think the blame for all of that lies squarely with Capcom, because even now they continue to trailblaze in the wrong direction with shit like the Chipotle sponsored Battle Hub and introducing Battle Passes to fighting games. some fans saw the writing on the wall when details started to leak about the Battle Hub and Avatar slop before launch but Capcultists wouldn't hear it.
>>697607821also this, x10.
>>697607821What an absurd statement.
>>697649796Unlike you, I like to play video games instead of being mad there’s more things to do in a game. I have my main already in, and world tour isn’t stopping them from making more characters. This is the opposite of sfv, you’re mad there is a good singleplayer mode. If you’re like the other guy, being mad because someone likes a game by a company you dislike is pathetic. Companywarring is even dumber than gamewarring.
>>697650246OK retard.>>697650078>a $24.99 Season PassIt's 29.99 actually.
>>697612248Fighting games are more alive now then they ever were during the 6th generation of consoles but /v/ keeps pretending otherwise
>>697650325I’m glad we came to an agreement, but you didn’t need to sign your post.
singleplayer sells more games so it's basically free from the developer's perspective
>>697650495More like character customization sells games. That why the avatar stuff is such a hit for Capcom.
>>697607698It is a fad. Fighting games popularity is only boosted by tournament prize pool. The only reason why fighting games sold well in the 90s is because it is the only type of game that you can have a competitive match. But when internet starts spreading people switched to less technical games like FPS and MMOs.
>>697650421That’s what you don’t get. The new games are all too easy. So them having lots of players doesn’t even matter. The old games might have plenty of people too, but those are hard and you can’t expect /v/ to continue through slight difficulty. Fighting games are dead no matter how many people play them. Truly the dark ages and a doomed genre. Grim, even.
What's the deal with combos in Street Fighter anyway? the fucking move buffer system is fucking me up. In other fighting games it feels like a pretty natural pace to input a combo and get what you want but in street fighter you just mash out the the first combo string sonic fast and then pray to god it connects how you want but then with a link up you have like a 5 frame window to hit at the right time?
>>697650842What other games? Anime games have gattlings if that’s what you mean. Street Fighter is mostly links aside from target combos but they’re not hard when you get used to them.
>>697607821>paid collabs with>TMNT>Chipotle>Spy x Family>Baki>Onitsuka Tiger Sneakers>KOF All-Stars>CotW 2>Lil Wayne>a bunch of independent rappers on an EP>Nijisanji (VTubers)>Pop Team Epic>Puzzle & Dragons>Zenless Zone Zero>PUBG>a themed cafe in Paselabo Tower>Sushiroand i know i'm forgetting some. Street Fighter 6 might be the most aggressively astroturfed game i've ever seen. the impenetrable barrier of toxic positivity surrounding this series has started suffocating it to death.
>>697649678don't forget trannyback netcode
>>697651061Okay but the Chun-Li x Yor porn was pretty hot.
>>697651061I’d buy an ultimate season pass if it had Yujiro.
>MK9 is a retelling of the original trilogy but done poorly>MKX is nu-MK4 but without the unintentionally funny cutscenes>MK11 brought in the capeshit crutch that is "multiple timelines" via Kronika>M1K takes 3D-era story elements and lumps them into one game but in a timeline ruled by Liu Kang who makes everything boringAs much I don't like the story of MK9, I prefer it to what came afterwards. NRS had an opportunity to fix what happened with Sindel killing off almost all of Earthrealm's fighters and they fucked it up.
>>697651258SF can have Baki. Yujiro belongs in Tekken.
>>697651061and it totally worked for CapcomSF6 is popular for a reason.
>>697607698FINISH ITFATALITY
>>697648926>no 30 second combosHeh, I hope you like this one Overdrive Jin combo or sitting through Litchi looping kicks.
>>697651061>all those collabs>none of them resulted in costumes for the main roster>it's all low quality avatar slop
>>697651829Most casuals just play the avatar battles
>spend hours learning and practicing a character>end up not liking them once you actually play themI'm such a retard...
>>697651696Some exceptions may exist
>>697607698>start off steamrolling the target audience for yellow paint>game starts pairing you with opponents who are preparing for tournaments and who you need to train to beat, which isn't fun>kicked back down to the retardsOnline multiplayer for PVP games inherently sucks.Fighting games are meant to be played on the couch with bros who are roughly as into videogames as you are.
>>697651901The achievement statistics suggest they don't even do that.
>>697607698MK is dead thankfully. SF and Tekken are unfortunately more popular than ever
>>697651258Yujiro (not official but just looks like him) is already in an old doujin fighting gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmlkowbiLRs
>>697651994achievements mean nothing
Fighting games as a genre are simply obsolete and have no place in modern gaming.You fought hard, but you will meet the same fate as RTS, Arena Shooters, Shmups, and more.
>>697652182Fighting games have outlived rts and arena shooters and they're more alive than ever.
>>697652173You can't play avatar battles offline hombre, anyone who has actually played that mode for more than 10 minutes is going to show up.
>>697652013>Tekkenanon, we just had a funeral.
>>697645042what are yapping about?
>>697652359I hope you're right, Clive already killed FF lets hope he can make it a twofer. These hacks must be punished
>>697651061"Astroturfing is when companies or brands want to coordinate with the most iconic fighting game franchise of all time"Dumb niggers like you being allowed in are why the fgc is horrible now
>>697652013Rooflemonger said vf is killing tekken
>>697607698FFXVI is barebones and Clive is not well known. Including Clive was a gamble on XVI being more successful than it is but now it's at best life support for XVI, worst it drags T8 down.
>>697652619who
>>697607698I don't know about the other series, but growing up I was always a huge mortal kombat fan. But then they went from the mortal kombat 9 designs, to basically putting all the women in burkas. They took the masks off of all the cool mysterious ninja characters. Like, no one was allowed to be masked anymore. I da know, just a vibe shift from the series 9 ->10 was a vibe shift and it was lamer but not "alright ya lost me" tierbut 10 ->11 was like "Aight imma head out"and then MK1 was like "look how the massacred my boy"
>>697652605>t.
>>697651505>struggling to stay above 28k online when the Japanese are asleep is "popular"
>>697653371Yes it is
>>697653265MK9 is the last decent MK game in my opinion. MKX's lame retelling of MK4 and the introduction of the Kombat Kids is what made me drop the game altogether.
>>697607698Street fighter 5 started this
>>697653282Thank you for, predictably, responding to a comment about normal people hating niggers with something only the vacant mind of a nigger could manage.Keep shooting each other you dumb apes
>>697607698Unironically, the only fighting games that I played in this era are DBFZ and Guilty Gear Strive.SF6 is kinda ugly and I don't want to play Mishimas on Pad for Tekken 8 (it kills the controller d-pad).
>>697613297They're making Metaphor Re Fantarena instead.
>>697651505Yes, the reason being that people are a bunch of tasteless retards.
>>697653856piece of shit ruined everything 4 built up
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RIBbNsTpmNg&pp=ygUQVGdhIDIwMDQgdnMgMjAyNA%3D%3DRemember when TGA’s were fun?
>>697654648pot calling the kettle black
>>697653265they thought they could base the entire franchise on story cutscenes and gore, but 11 already did that and 10 before itselling the same game three times was fucking dumbmk9 worked because it was stupid, like a bollywood movie, figures WB wanted more hollywood instead
>>697647907If the last fg you played was fucking doa4 what were you expecting going into an anime fighter even if they said it was for beginners? Are you stupid? Do you lack common sense?
>>697655024I'm not the one playing this shitty Street Fighter parody m8
>>697655385Why do you care then?
>>697655658Because Street Fighter was my favorite fighting game series before they turned it into this shit? What kind of dumb question is that?
>>697655739Just go play the one you like then, you big baby.Street fighter is always doing something different with each iteration. Strive did it as well after 20 years of making the same game and it was super popular.
>>697655739SFV happened
>>697655905Fuck off faggot.>>697655914Your point being?SFV was miles better than this piece of shit all around: better roster, better visual style, MUCH much better soundtrack, characters with unique mechanics instead of everyone just sliming around.
>45 views on mk1unironically what went fucking wrong? I actually thought it was pretty good. Probably one of the best MKs since 9
heres some truth for you guys.If you say sfv is good but sf6 is bad, you don't know what you're talking about. I get saying sf4 is good and 5 and 6 are bad, but 6 is literally 5 with better fundamental expression (have you tried whiff punishing in 5?) and much more complex resource management. Anything else thats shitty in 6 was shitty in 5 too. It is the most 'old game good, new game bad, and I never played either of them' opinion that I see posted at least a dozen times every one of these threads.
>>697656090You are fucking retarded and you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>6976560605 is dogshit
>>697656141How is SFV not good?
>>697656060cry some more, baby
>>697656060>characters with unique mechanicsThis would be true if not for v trigger locking everything that makes a character unique behind it. I'm a Cody player. He's not even in 6 and I like it more than V.
>>697656362Why are you even having this argument anyway? You are getting what you want, just eat your shit in peace.
>>697656492Cause I get to have my cake and eat it too. Watching 40 year old seethe over nothing is hilarious.
shit threadmating press
>>697655018>even worse celebrity dicksucking than modern TGAs>embarrassing skits done with videogame characters put up on a big stage>completely retarded votes like giving Madden game of the yearJust because it's shit now doesn't mean it wasn't shit then. Also, this is not a thread about The Game Awards.
>>697607698Why does this subreddit post everyday about fighting games being dead?
>2024>vappa still seething about sfv
>>697608636Which is funny because casuals still cry the genre is for the FGC and comptards when it's the only genre where every game isn't filled exclusively meta picks. Ryu is top 5 usage in high ranks and Jamie is top 5 usage in low ranks despite both not being meta since launch. You can't go into a Marvel Rivals without seeing Hela, Hawkeye, or Psylocke despite the game having fucking internationally popular characters like Spiderman, Wolverine, Ironman, Hulk, or Venom. Dumbed down games just stiffle variety. GGXX and VF5 have an insane amount of character diversity even at peak tournament levels. Only newbies really spam just Baiken and Jacky.
>>697653371F2p toddler slop
>>697607698>who killed itfighting game devs by constantly making the most unbelievably retarded decisionsTekken 8 could be the greatest fighting game ever made but Bamco just keeps squandering every single opportunity they're givenand don't even get me started on Guilty Gear amd Tekken
>>697657802fuck meant to say Strive and MK, just woke up tbqhfam
>>697656732>mating pressWho?
>>697658320Lili
Is dualsense still the best Pad to play fighting games on PS5 and PC?
>>697608013>playing>posts twitchlmao
>>697661116I like xbox series more but I switched to hitbox
>>697614018This is a lie because meta rarely dictates character usage. Blanka was the Evo Japan champion and was a bottom 5 pick. You can't go into a MOBA or Hero shooter without seeing Meta every single game even in quick play. It's usually the most versatile characters at the top like shotos, then the newest DLC, the oldest fan favorites, waifus (bumped to top spot at bottom rank). Rashid is a top character right now that win multiple tournaments and he's the 7th least played character in both masters and combined rank. Meanwhile Marvel Rivals already lost any character variety on its second week.
>>697661116>Is dualsense still the best PadDualsense is fucking dogshit for motion inputs.
>>697639158>Which games are you talking about?GBFVRSF6 with modern controls allowing to still input classic moves for some reasonTekken after 6FighterZFantasy strike2xko with every eceleb sucking it off just for the epic money prize
>>697620710>you can play any of these games and not know any frame data, you're just gonna get your ass kicked online because you don't know what moves are safe or not.You can intuit framedata without actually looking it up yourself ever. It'll just take a while.>When I block this, nothing I try seems to work, guess I can't press>I have more luck pressing this punch button than the sweep when I panic, maybe it's just better for that>My punch always hits when I block this thing, I thought maybe they're just stupid, but it happened to different players. Maybe it's guaranteed I dunno
>>697631143NRS game cycle doesn't let games breathe.Significant patches very commonly incentivise people to grab the easy top tier rather than specialise because your character could get shot in 2 monthsThen after 1-2 years there's a new NRS game and you already know everyone's migrating to it. Doesn't help that it seems like it's own bubble communitywise, so you get a lot of shit from both sides going "yeah I'd fuck em up" or "they have no chance in my game"
>>697615454Follow your heart, grab the game that looks most appealing to you.I'd vouch for Granblue being the best taster for Fighting Games as it has simple to grasp combos & pressure, quick to pick up characters and visually pleasing at least to my eye. It having a free version is also a massive reason.Strive by comparison is definitely more difficult. For one it'll require motion inputs out of you, some characters can have very high APM requirements and despite a lot of QoL additions like dash macro, combos and even just moving around can still be difficult depending on what character you're playing.
>>697665878All those games are more fun than super turdo
>>697607698Birthrates
>>697631143They're really shallow and the dial mechanics and target combos don't really allow for much player expression. You're always going to do target combo into target combo if you get a juggle. There isn't any interesting niche tech with super specific timing or positioning besides the corner or juggling players can apply to make characters their personal identity. They also don't have enough moves for players to pick from to form their own pressure and neutral options to create unique patterns opponents have to figure out. It's just really surface level and gets stale fast. It's like Dark Souls PvP.
>>697618276SF6 is my first SF game, I picked it up kinda late, but I found DeeJay to have that infectious energy that I even picked a charge character to learn.I knew people complained about his DR, so all I did at the beginning was trying to abuse it, forcing it to happen to see where it's good and when it isn't. My friends shut that down immediately. It surprised me that even intermediate players already have the see green > press X muscle memory to check it and shut it down.Needless to say I had way more success actually developing the core of the character and learning some basic concepts of what people look for when playing footsies. All of which of course took quite a while to get a grasp of.Just find the anecdotal evidence pretty amusing to bring up.
>>697667295JP is less DR happy than NA and their community exploded with new players. DR is a mechanic that makes sense due to parry and long range normals being so good, but for whatever reason NA gets brain broken on checking it properly kind of like anti-airs.
Play better fighters.
>>697668024>SF6 better than Granblue and Tekken 8Shit list
>>697668024Why do people here pretend to like KoF?
>>697668308What don't you like about KoF anon?
>>697668498The game
>>697668024>kof, uni, blaz blue samsho and vf5Such a poser list.
>>697607698Constant Microtransactions, dlc, and unfinished gameplay
>>697668676Is the Tekken baby upset?
>>697668498Chatgpt arstyle Generic dadrock music Gameplay is rushdown simulator and meter dump combo trial simulator
SF is very much alive
>>697607698People dont dare to main female character even if they are good because they are afraid being called trans
>>697669365This site is rotting your brain.That is just not a thing.
>>697607698it's just the tekken fad that is over, they burned all the good will they gathered with tekken 7, mortal kombat has been dead since mkx and sf6 is doing great
>>697669072Street Fighter is dead, but """Street Fighter""" 6 is pretty popular, yes.
>>697669712just the shitty street fighter that you like is dead.
>>697666538Games like SFV just give you a choice of trial and erroring yourself to the frame data table by getting hit or looking it up. It is basically like a 3D fighter in how frame heavy it is. Old Street Fighter you really didn't have to look up shit because in SFII and Alpha hit and block stun were the same so it was basically "if they can combo after it's plus, if it knocks down it's probably minus on block" and anything that didn't fit those criteria and wasn't a super was fucking bullshit. SFIII only had a small fixed difference either so only like +1 moves might be -1 on block, while in SFV you get something that's +3 on hit and -6 on block or something like Tekken and there's fuck all way to guess that aside from special blocked animations.
>>697661337...thats what OP posted?
>>697614023that would still be better than MK.
>>697669791SF6 and SF1 are the only shitty Street Fighters games, everything else is great.
>>697611625based
