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>>698065181Final fantasy xvi is the best final fantasy in years and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
>>698065267Lightning Returns is better.
>>698065340Even less people played that.
I just want action RPGs to die already. They're the worst of both worlds. Nioh is the closest it gets to being good but is still bogged down by rpg bullshit that only makes the game worse.
>>698065267I want to buy it so badly but the mixed reviews saying it gets bad after hour 10 makes me nervous But to be honest i uniroincally enjoyed ff15 and 100% it upon release so i may just enjoy shit games
>>698065267Wasn't impressed by it when my friend streamed the game on my discord server.I pre-ordered Rebirth for PC though.
>>698065181Just-Action isn't happening dude, let it go
>>698065181what happened to the last action thread?
>>698065181Whats the consensus on Killer is Dead, i got it on a whim a few weeks ago and finally have the time to start it tonight
What's the matter, Dante? sScared?
>>698065752NG chads came out on top as we always do and everyone else got mad about it. Usual stuff.
>>698065637I'm 20 hours in and still having fun. It's for sure a "brain off" type of game. Just hit combos and look at the pretty visuals. But games can be games sometimes. They don't need to be technically complex to be fun imo. Just get the silent Torgal commands mod to save your sanity. SICKEM BOYYOU KNOW WHAT TO DOGETTIM TORGAL
>>698065654K. Keep me posted.
>>698065267Wrong.
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>>698066135I mean the game sounded pretty promising on paper.
>>698065970>Bullshit ! >Puts on his head phones Blasts Shadows Rising and walks away My fucking sides
>>698066247>I mean the game sounded pretty promising on paper.Yeah, that's how scams tend to work
>>698065181I wish I could play rising on ps5
whats a "character action"?They are just action games
Getting huge Ninja Gaiden 2 vibes from this, what the fuck? Why does everyone shit on Witchers combat?
>>698068364>gore=ninja gaidensmartest NG2 fan
>>698068704>gore>obliteration attacks>counter attacks
>>698068364are you retarded
>>698068364Because combat in ninja gaiden 2 is actually challenging unlike the garbage you're showing
>>698069292>I-frame spam>challenging
>>698065340LR is fun but still has the retarded crippling problem that Lightning automatically moves and her walk is so slow it might as well not exist
>>698065770it's fun but simplistic. pretty standard for the people who made no more heroes and lollipop chainsaw. it's much better than thoseyou can do juggles and get into parry battles. you're supposed to be "efficient" though which is a lot of headshots and dumping meter to kill fast.
>>698069292But you are always invincible in NG2
>>698068364>Getting huge Ninja Gaiden 2 vibes from this, what the fuck?it's batman arkham asylum but with shittier animations
Ninja Gaiden 2 is one of the most disappointing sequels ever made and one of the progenitors of pseudo-intellectual gamer game design, where you're not asked to treat the game earnestly and play like a cool ninja, rather you should treat it like a bullshit video game where you counter video game bullshit with your own video game bullshit. This sort of meta design cancer is now all too common among indie devs who's only frame of reference is video games so their games only emulate other games, making them phony and dishonest. I'm not even going to bother speaking about how NG2 is a downgrade from Black in terms of level design, music and story because it's plain for all to seeAlso Aerosmith and Armageddon both suck.
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>>698067818This. They still refuse to define this reddit name.
>>698065836Ryu canonically is for one girl only
>>698065532They'll exist as long as people [like me] like to have combat bundled with exploration, progression, and a story that isn't always at 100, in terms of stakes. That said, I do also like "pure" action games as well. Honestly, more ARPGs should be less scared of having more RPG elements than action, like party members and weaknesses.
>>698065532AgreedBut I just dont play them
>>698065752Same thing as usual for the past month or so. Webm fags who only heard the game off tiktok and ecelebs. Like how Vergil from DMC became a zoomer icon because of guys like Maxor >>698065871NG fags get filtered by Kino Hand
>>698072720That post was such a brutal truth nuke about shit hand. Absolute garbage game.
>>698072720 Doesn't apply to me. I've cleared KMS Hard.
>>698065267Not much competition if you mean mainline since the last FF worth a damn before XVI was XII, but in terms of real-time combat in FF, Stranger of Paradise was better overall.>>698067818It doesn't mean anything. It's an attempt to separate what people considered good action games from bad action games like they're a separate genre, but when a bad game is from a series/developer that is included that gets grandfathered in anyway. Refusing to use any of those fake names like Character Action/Spectacle Fighter/J-Action/whatever and just saying Action Game while actually talking about the mechanics/design and if they're good or not is the way to go. Generic 3rd-Person AAA melee action combat is in the same genre as DMC/NG/Platinum/etc even if the intent and execution is wildly different.
>>698065532Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix >
the heightmog is REAL.
>>698072835Poster barely played the game. The drunken fist style literally covers half his issues
Why is there so much infighting in the action game scene, still? There's a common enemy now in action gachas and Souls/Sekiro-likes. as well as games that have serious identity crises like Stellar Blade or Wukong
>>698073648I blame oatmeal cookie for that
>>698073648Because people want to pick a tribe and lead them to a meaningless ideological "victory" instead of unite together despite their differences, and those who are willing are drowned out by those who scream about how X > Y & Z from the rooftops.
>>698073825Who?
>>698073648Threads were always shit cause DMC fags mock everything thats not DMC and NG fans can't go 5 minutes without talking about Dark Souls or DMC. Platinum fans were shit too but nowadays they are way better
>>698073648Just playing Itagaki's NFT game.>>698066135>Form tribes>Seize other tribe's territory
>>698073912Thankfully everyone finally realized that Bayo 2 is shit after 3 came out.
>>698073178Accurate. Ryu was canonically a twink/twunk until his face reveal
>>698068364go play it and understand why that comparison is completely retarded. The witcher combat is about the same level as assassins creed, it might even be worse its so bad.
>>698074003People pointed out that Bayo 2 was shit years ago because of e celeb yoshesque
DMC5 is one of the only action games that understands how to do proper pacing and variety in an Action game. Instead of relying on bolted on gimmicks or minigames it changes how the core gameplay itself is approached. All three characters feel distinct yet they're all building on the same fundementals. Stage gimmicks are unintrusive and blend naturally into gameplay. My biggest gripe with PlatinumGames has always been that it feels like the devs are afraid that the core game isn't good enough to stand on its own, so they feel the need to inject WarioWare into the game to make sure people don't get bored. Which is a bad solution
>>698074205i would rather play space harrier again then ever play another V level.
>>698074205I have my complaints about DMC5 but one thing I'll give it huge props for is cutting down heavily on the downtime and minigame/platforming shit and focusing almost entirely on combat.
>>698073898Kamiya's arch nemesis
>>698074047>combatspamming iframes is not great combat either
>>698073648people don't learn more than one game so they chimp out when their one game isn't being discussedthat's why you get objectively wrong "criticism" of all these games. like people saying bayonetta 1 only works in witch time. it's like console warring where they haven't even tried the games they're bitching about.
currently playing way of the samurai 3its inferior to the second on in almost every way its amazing how much worse it iseven the combat its worsehopefully they fix it on way of the samurai 4
>>698074354>combat.the sandbag enemies barely fight back so the combat is really boring
>>698074551You pretty much played the best part
>>698065181Guys will see this and just think "hell yea"
>>698074629thats what im afraid offi mean fuck me it doesnt even have the cute little restaurants where you could buy food, recover your health and then run away whiout paying
>>698074438kek, I never fully appreciated how fucking weird itagaki was. His co-workers must have hated him.
>>698074316What's wrong with V?
>>698073648Infighting in a genre usually happens when people try to overly define how "a genre is". Reminds me of the old Halo vs Metroid Prime wars, where people were basically saying "you shoot in first person, therefore it's a first person shooter, therefore it sucks compared to what Halo does (even though it's really just an adventure game)". Genres are supposed to be a suggestion for grouping, not a strict template. People reversed the order of how you're meant to approach game design because it's more convenient for their tiny brains. That's why you have people shilling their NG/DMC/Bayo/MGR saying "This is how the genre is supposed to be like".
>>698074004He is still very much a bottom twink
>>698075059Y'all remind me of pronouns folk.
>>698065181i would kill for a Soulslike with DMC style combat and a Sekiro Deflect/Royal Guard Style function. the Carrian Combo Warriors mod is cool, but assigning DMC attacks to Tekken strings is... not my preferred method of character expression. i need access to everything at all times via fighting game-esque motion inputs. lol>>698065267i really, really enjoyed FFXVI. i need to go back and finish it, i got around 50 hours in (i was doing all the side quests) and shortly after beating Baphomet i took a break and never ended up finishing the game. i think part of it was realizing i had probably unlocked my last set of new abilities and being sad about hitting a combat progression wall. lol
>>698065532huge disagree. i love when studios combine third person action games with Diablo loot, as long as the loot is done well. i need more of it, from someone other than Team Ninja because their games are a little *too* fast paced.
>>698065267>In YearsThe only FF games in the HD era are XIII, XIV and XV. SE's output for mainline FF sucks, and besting the HD mainline FF's isn't worth bragging about.>>698073013KH2FM is great, but that Anon was obviously talking about rollslop of which only Nioh and Sekiro are worth playing.
>>698075059This. Good post
>>698075220>i would kill for a Soulslike with DMC style combat and a Sekiro Deflect/Royal Guard Style function. the Carrian Combo Warriors mod is cool, but assigning DMC attacks to Tekken strings is... not my preferred method of character expression. i need access to everything at all times via fighting game-esque motion inputs. lolI was hoping Wukong and Stellar Blade were this, but they're really not. Best I can suggest instead is KH2 [since it's somewhat like what you want], Stranger of Paradise, Nioh 2, and God Hand.
>>698074205Sadly DMC5 commits the cardinal sin of having character-locked missions in an action game. It was a garbage idea in 4 and it's even worse in 5.
>>698075059This is true but not between NG, capcom, and platinum games since they are widely accepted to be the progenitors of the genre. Genre snobs and autistic adherence to old formula's only really crop up when discussing FROM games like sekiro.Infighting generally happens when people start investing their ego into game difficulty and time invested. This is most obvious with fighting games but stylish action games are like the little autistic, single player only brother to those conflicts
>>698072720>>698072835that same post was also posted in a youtube comment section. Thats right. word for word too, and the response was the same as well. WTF is this??? Can someone explain this please?
How can timed defense like parry/deflect and perfect dodge be implemented in a way that enables the cinematic spectacle that people loved in Sekiro and games like it to a certain extent while also not undermining the fundamentals for defense that go back to beat 'em ups and fighting games?
Any chance Lost Soul Aside will be good?
>>698075547Dead internet theory.
>>698073648Ninja Gaiden fans just want to shutdown discussion of games that aren't Ninja Gaiden.
>>698071945If they make NG4, I hope they give Irene brown hair. It feels like Team Ninja was trying to make Irene more "cute" than "sexy" in DOA Dimensions, so giving her brown hair in that would make more sense if that's what they were trying to do. Would have brought her closer to the NES/OVA design too. They should also give more casual costumes for Ryu. I nominate the fisherman Ryu outfit from DOA and the casual fit from the OVA.Short Hair Ryu > Long Hair Ryu
>>698075417i have very low expectations of Stellar Blade cause i wanna be pleasantly surprised by it if it ever comes to PC, but i was kinda hoping for the same from Wukong, especially when those clips started going viral of bosses with cutscene command grabs with impact frames. but yeah, unfortunately it didn't seem to turn out that way. i was surprised there wasn't more verticality since Wukong is a very agile figure. i still need to check out Stranger of Paradise, i appreciate the reminder and endorsement.>>698075459>character-locked missionsbro, your SSSiyan Collaborative Cheat Trainer and Co-Op Trainer? this hasn't been an issue for PC players since like 2019.
>>698075669>not a gacha>not making the same mistakes Wukong did [endless super armor, and lying to your face about not being primarily inspired by Souls]Decent chance.
>>698075642DMC solution is good, you make it so its not part of your core moveset but a "style" you need to consciously commit to. MGR's solution of tying the parry to the attack button was pretty clever as well. The problem is when its just a single button click away, especially when its tied to something like block to begin with, which makes it easy to abuse since its so safe.
>>698075921I think it will probably be the best of these recent chinese/korean action games coming out but it will still have a bunch of retarded shit. Especially if it still has FFXV influences
>>698075879Who should voice Ryu this time, in EN? My vote's either on Noshir Dalal or Daisuke Tsuji.
>>698075642could you define the fundamentals of defense with a few examples so i might better pitch an answer?
>>698074438>Kamiya: "Fuck Itagaki, I am bald but I am not gay." Kamiya's already expressed interest in returning to DMC. If Team Ninja brings back Itagaki for NG4, then we are so back.
>>698076084Basically positioning yourself out of hitboxes like rolling/jumping out of them, getting behind enemies, or grouping them together.
>>698075562>0:05You could've continued the running move into launcher here btw.
>>698076108Itagaki will never return to Team Ninja, the people remaining there hate him, the ones who didn't followed him to Valhalla studios and made Devil's Third
>>698075537>game difficultythis genre is not even the hardestshmups are harder sim racing games are harderfucking trackmania is harderthe entire fanbase is full of autistic manchildren
>>698075642Sparking Zero really, REALLY fumbled this exact question by letting you spam the Parry input like you're strumming TTFAF on Expert. So my first thought is definitely don't let players spam the Parry command, it needs to be on a short cooldown so each attempted Parry is signficant, rewarding, and has potential consequences for failure.
>>698075896>bro, your SSSiyan Collaborative Cheat Trainer and Co-Op Trainer? this hasn't been an issue for PC players since like 2019.I will never cheat in J-Action.
>>698076340>sim racing games are harderthey are piss easy compared to true hard gameshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeNYWl0HkI
>>698076108they will never bring back itagaki, I dont think anyone at team ninja likes him. with itsuno gone i think is almost a lock that kamiya will either make a new stylish action ip or direct the next DMC after okami 2.
>>698076074Matthew Mercer
>>698076418ballisticng is harder than f zero gxredout 2 is harder than f zero gxdirt rally 2.0 is harder than f zero gxshut the fuck up
>>698076439Considering Okami 2 will probably be out by 2027 considering they just have a trailer of Amaterasu running [possibly not even in-engine], that next DMC will probably not see the light of day until 2032.>a decade after 5What the Hell happened to gamedev? Why is a 8-12 hour game now an odyssey to develop, nowadays?
>>698075896>bro, your SSSiyan Collaborative Cheat Trainer and Co-Op Trainer? this hasn't been an issue for PC players since like 2019.Haven't replayed the game since it came out. How does it work with character-specific gimmicks?My point still stands, character-locked missions are cancer and you shouldn't need to mod your game to play your favorite character.
>>698076302Sucks if true. On the other hand, it seems like the people who work with Kamiya like the guy. He's always been vocal about leaving Capcom on good terms and being open to working with them. Mikami's spoken well about the guy. While Itagaki directed an NFT game as a pet project, Kamiya spearheaded a shmup because he loves the genre. The two really are opposites in more ways than one.
>>698076340I agree but the fanbase doesnt act that way, there is obvious pride in the dmc, FROM and NG fanbase over difficulty. The entire concept of attaching your ego to being good at single player games is baffling, its bad enough with fighting games but at least its somewhat understandable when you're beating another human.
>>698076676>Okami 2 will probably be out by 2027maybe in kamiya delusional dreams
>>698076358you don't use it to cheat, dummy, you use it to play characters on stages they can't be played on in the base game. cool your 'tism.
These threads remind me of JRPG threads back when people used to care about JRPGs.
>>698076439>>698076676There's no reason to think they'll wait for Kamiya to make DMC when Itsuno's team is still there and not the primary dev team on Okami 2 (which was said at the Geoff Awards to have JUST started production aka 2027 is the earliest we'll see it).
>>698076812>you use it to play characters on stages they can't be played on in the base gameSo its cheating>cool your 'tismI am literally more autistic than Chris Chan.
>>698076595>dirt rally 2.0 is harder than f zero gxnot it isnt
>>698076735>shmupthat shmup is A BIG PIECE OF SHIT
>>6980766764k textures
>>698076908yes it isbeat the game in the masters difficulty especially the argentina stage
>>698076830>when Itsuno's team is still thereThey just need to make enemies more aggressive. Worst case scenario is that Matt Walker directs DMC6 instead of Kamiya returning to DMC.
>>698076932Sol Cresta is decent, it was just hilariously overpriced until a very recent price cut. As much of a meme it is that Kamiya loves reusing mechanics I thought the formation mechanic that was basically just the Wonder Liner/Celestial Brush reworked for a shmup was fun.
>J-actionYou people really are that desperate to come up with new bullshit names, huh?
>>698077082Matt left Capcom like two years ago anon.
>>698077082Matt Walker left Capcom before Itsuno did, also he's a producer and not a director
>>698077147J-Action aka Just-Action aka just Action games aka Action games
>>698076676Without kamiya it is likely they never would have made another one. I get the impression that without a cheerleader for it the employees would much rather make MH, onimusha, a new ip or literally anything else. everything itsuno worked on after DD1 felt perfunctory, like nobody on the team actually wanted to make them.
>>698077147It's a way of herding all the remaining fans of the dying games that have no where else to be to continue to give said games a sense of living fandom and relevance.
>>698076735Itagaki literally made a handheld NG for his daughter. Meanwhile everyone in the know agrees Kamiya's """"homages"""" to arcade games are all offensively dogshit.
>>698077093>Sol Cresta is decentthat game is shit even euroshmups like raptor are better than that trash
>>698076901as long as you aren't criminally or sex registry autistic, you aren't as bad as Chris-chan. that is a very, very disturbed individual. you're better than that.
>>698077147>he doesn't knowJ-Action is better than "character action game" which is just a term coined by some tranny locked in his basement. J-Action refers to action games that are Japanese by design.
>>698077340Dragon Sword was a fun game.
I just say melee action.
>>698077415J-Action actually stands for "Just-Action", a double entendre for how they are "Just action games", but also a reference to "Just moves" from games like DMC, where you correctly time inputs for a more powerful version of the move, a reference to the genre putting a big emphasis on high reflexes and dexterity.
>>698076830dmc 5 and DD2 were so lifeless I dont think anyone on his former team wants to do either, especially without itsuno. I can see them being tasked with generating new ip, reviving an old one or just disbanding and being absorbed into other teams.
>>698077902>Just action gamesanother stupid name for this dying genre
it's a shame that the Hifi Rush studio was dead before the game was even released because that's a game that really needed a sequel with some refinement
>>698076108Kamiya will make VF3 before he touches DMC agan
>>698078172CalmCollectedKINO
>>698078172>>698078437>souls fags "positioning"
>>698076108I am 80% sure kamiya is gay, he has the same aesthetic taste as togashi and araki who both seem like closeted gay gays.
>>698078437>normal difficultyYawn
>>698077902>Bocchi fag is the one who came up with that retarded nicknameOf course
>>698074438>never played Ninja Gaiden because the game "didn't have the power to pull him in"Honestly same. Ninja Gaiden might have the best gameplay in the entire genre but I'm afraid I'll never know simply because everything surrounding said gameplay is just so incredibly dull and boring.
>>698079579Just play Black and call it day, 2 is fun as hell but that depends on your tolerance for some frankly shit boss fights outside of one whos legitimately god tier >>698079338>Kamiya san's dick was this big
>>698079579Everything surrounding the gameplay is what pulled me into Black.
>>698079579>everything surrounding said gameplay is just so incredibly dull and boring.
>>698079579Same but with Bayonetta
>>698079579Because Ninja Gaiden started out in the NES era and you can tell because the setting, story and characters are total throwaway nonsense, it's only fun in a kind of "oh there's an egyptian tomb buried under this fictional high tech city" dumb way, sadly the stories somehow got even worse as they went along
Started Bayo 2 and it's average. Pretty great music and visuals, but the combat is incredibly shallow and it's clear no thought was put it into anything, compared to the genuine genius of 1
>>698079579NG's aesthetics are so boring and hard edged it sort of wraps around and becomes compelling. Its so boomer and old school it feels like ninja scroll without any anime bullshit.
>>698079579It's nice to have one game in this genre where the protagonist isn't constantly trying to show off how WHOAOOH WOOO WACKY they are.
>>698080737sadly it only gets worsei force the game to be kind of fun by running parry accessory + bracelet of time but it's still strictly worse than bayo 1 even then
>>698080737>the genius in question is hitting air like a retard until Bayo produces a weave with near infinite reachNever understood the elitism about Bayo games. All three titles are incredibly shallow that discourage melee combat in favor of some dogshit gimmick.
>>698079579This, I like the gameplay and all but the world and characters don't hook me at all in same way MGR, DMC, or Bayo does. Normally I fucking love edgy ninja characters like Ryu but hes is like the least cool version of that archetype to where I even prefer fucking Sasgay from Naruto. can only play these games with the alt costumes like NES or Fiend Ryu cause the black gimp outfit never looked cool to me. The problem is that in lore Ryu is supposed to basically no diff every encounter he gets into without taking a scratch cause of how OP he is kinda like how Bayo and Dante canonically destroys every encounter in the game without any effort but in gameplay its basically impossible to beat NG2 no damage without abusing frankly lame strats so his demeanor in gameplay doesn't really line up with canon. If anything it would make more sense if he was portrayed more like say Sam Gideon from Vanquish where hes a badass but not perfect it would more sense. Also Hotsuma and Strider >
Don't reply to the Itagaki schizos, they're just here for attention and not discussion
>>698080697>story and characters are throwaway nonsenseLike every action game. There are people who genuinely believe DMC3 has a good story.
>>698080570Yeah, Bayonetta is one of the worst protagonists in games period, let alone action games.
>>698081152Most other action games accomplish the bare minimum of actually giving context and meaning to what's going on. The only NG game with a somehow lucid story is Black, 2 and 3's cutscenes might as well be white noise
>>698081082>the elitism about Bayo gamesthe lack of self awarenessninja gayden fans are something else
>>698081129>but in gameplay its basically impossibleI take it you havent seen no damage, max rank gameplay in neither Bayo nor DMC.
>>698065532Literal and unironic skill issue. Whether they're the best or the worst of both comes down entirely to how you yourself choose to approach them.
Friendly reminder that the people bitching about action games not having "a proper story" are the ones who cream their pants over pic related.
>>698081508>choose to approach them without spending hours in menus autistically adjusting numbers>everything has endless health pools ans game is a slog>choose to spend hours optimizing numbers>kill everything in 2 seconds with zero challengegosh i love rpg elements
>>698081129The thing about Ryu is that he's cool in the NES games and Black because he was basically portrayed as the Anti Dante on every possible way even more so then Vergil. NG NES was praised for actually trying with its story and Black has a cool idea where Ryu basically just becomes an autistic terrorist out for revenge and massacres a whole city. Hes basically an anti hero and clear edge factor to and his power comes from skill and not demon heritage or anything and its a cool idea but the sequels shit on that by making his family tree but part dragon super humans and NG3 just makes him a generic action movie hero.
>>698081489I don't participate in the version faggotry blud. Doesn't apply to me.
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>>698081854shut the fuck upstupid moron
Can't the NGfag just use a trip so we can filter himNo one cares about tiktoks of fucking cutscenes you utter faggot
>>698081470>The only NG game with a somehow lucid story is Black, 2 and 3's cutscenes might as well be white noiseyou have this completely backwards. ng2004 cutscenes are like a broad strokes interpretation of something resembling a story. ryu dies, is alive, takes a zeppelin to europe, kills an entire country and then turns into a bird and flies home[?]2 is just that he kills a lot of demons. 3 is just that he kills lot of the welsh.
>>698080549>boring story>boring characters>boring enemies>nice graphics but irrelevant because of the uninspired art style>decent to mediocre sountrack>no memorable setpieces>>698080756I can see that working for some people. It doesn't work for me unfortuntely.>>698080697>>698080764Bayo and DMC are also throwaway nonsense. But they usually engage with the nonsense and so it becomes an entertaining part of the game.NG has plenty of WTF moments but Ryu is played so straight and serious it never becomes interesting. You can have a serious protagonist without him being devoid of any personality.
>>698081497DMC1 no damage isn't terrible outside of a few sections of Kamiya autism. DMC3 is kinda the same way with some shit rooms here and there, Bayonetta is a legitimately awful game though
>bludThere's either a hoodrat or a 12 year old white kid that lives in a gated community here. Can't decide which is worse to interact with.
>/v/ is getting filtered by bayonettaI'm surprised /v/ doesn't get filtered by fucking pic related
I already did a few jactions when I woke up this morning.
>>698082021Tone down the homophobia, chud.
>>698081747Thanks for proving my point.
>>698082363This webm is pathetic and the quote is hypocritical nonsenseYou can't be older than 16
>>698082391there's a correct amount of damage my moves should do. wasting my time making me find it is just asking me to design the game myself. at which point i will Alt+F4 and play a game that is always good.
>>698082464aura
>>698081953>Fiends in NG1 are undead warriors, ogres, cats with a hint of egyptian aesthetic cause they are mostly humans turned into monsters >Fiends in NG2 are just whatever the fuck the devs thought was cool at that moment I can't tell if this is a good thing or bad thing
>>698082304>jak'tions
>>698082532NG2 getting rid of the fictional city and setting the game in a bunch of IRL places just made it even more stupid imo, like I never liked the idea that Dante or Ryu is supposed to live in "our world". I much prefer the setting to just be made up
>>698065267Its good but I do think the lack of input for additional moves is a staggeringly baffling decision. They really wanted to limit Clive and I wonder if he had access to his entire kit how different the reaction would be (aside from the people that hate combos)I liked it, though. I liked it a lot.
why Itagaki zoomie only post tiktok videos instead of his own gameplay?
>>698081758Ryu did nothing wrong in Tairon. He stopped the Emperor from becoming a demonic god.
>>698083172>NGfags>own gameplayLOL anon LOL
>>698077902>>698079140Kamiya came up with "J-Action" as a response to Yoshi-P crying about JRPGs. It stands for "Japanese Action" in the same vein JRPG stands for "Japanese RPG." It's not coined by some Discord trooner like "character action" is.
>>698083172I post plenty, far more than anyone and of a much higher level too.
The genre is always called Stylish Action"Character Action" was made up by a retarded youtuber that literally doesn't understand what a cut is
>>698083390>posts another tiktok of a cutsceneLOL
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>>698083417>The genre is always called Stylish ActionIt's "Stylish Hard Action" per the original Japanese advertising material for DMC1. I'll accept that or "J-Action" J stands for Japanese not Just-Action. Anyone pushing for Just-Action is a Discord troon trying to take credit for J-Action because they come from the people who make these fucking games.
I have a hard action when I see Lady
>>698065181I'm too busy playing Sifu.
>>698082787Ninja Gaiden has always taken place in the real world. The NES games and DOA1/2 feature real world countries. If anything, NG1 featuring a fictional country helps it stand out.
>>698084047Sifu is God Hand for twitter users
This guy is absolutely pathetic, he keeps shitting up the thread
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>>698083878pretty sure JUST Action comes from the gaming brit who is shit at these games and made a video seething that dark souls doesn't have air taunts
>>698084373This, Just Action predates J-Action
>"people" itt are still arguing over which neo-pronouns describes them better
>>698084585Just use a trip already so I can filter your retarded non-playing ass
>>698084683I am literally playing NG2 right now.
>>698084835Stream it for us, show us how an NGGOD plays
>>698084927Already streaming in my discord server.
And NGfags wonder why everyone considers them a joke
>>698084373>the gaming britI don't who that is nor do I want to know more about him, but he's wrong.>>698073648>>698075059Before we go after the final enemy, rollslop, we have to clean house. And to do that, we have to purge the troons. The best way to spot a troon is through the following.>They push for "character action" or "spectacle fighter" instead of the official names of the genre that are used by the devs.>They think the "J" in "J-Action" stands for "Just Action." If there's any lessons to be learned from Project Chanology or Gamer Gate, it's that you cannot allow attention whores into your movement or else they will fuck it up. I refuse to work with a troon. Once that's all cleared, I will anonymously shitpost relentlessly against "fake J-Action" like Black Myth Wukong which are rollslops pretending to be J-Action.
Nobody takes gameplay beggars seriously lilbro.
>>698078149>He doesn't knowhttps://www.theverge.com/2024/8/12/24218424/hifi-rush-studio-tango-gameworks-saved-krafton-microsoft
>>698065181I don’t much care for this genre.
>>698065267> Final fantasy xvi is the best final fantasy in years and I'm tired of pretending it's not.Story, yesGameplay, no… it’s not even good.Still my GOTY though.
>>698086030It's too elitist, gatekeepy, white male centric and too videogameyIt's the kind of bullshit we don't need in this Trump dystopia right now
>>698065340Are you being legit? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. I have not touched ANY of XIII or its sequels.
>>698085587And how do you plan to defeat "rollslop"?Do you realize that shitposting won't convince people like me or the millions buying the games to stop liking and buying them?
>>698085757Man, I wish we had more beta NG04 and NG2 footage or actual builds.The first NG04 stuff had some unused ninpo that was never shown and seems like nunchucks also had the same extended moves that Vigoorian Flails did (I guess they changed it so the latter is cooler/upgradeable).But nothing much for NG2 outside of some concept art. I guess there was also some old trailer and the colors of UI and lighting was a bit different.
>>698086180>nioh>soulsRetard
>>698086124Quite the opposite. I wish it was more East Coast elite. I much prefer turn based as every upper class white male does.
FFXVI and Stranger of Paradise players, did you guys enjoy Dissidia (not NT)?
>>698086238You people pretend it isn't because it's the most prominent From Software competitor so it serves as a convenient anti-From weapon.
>>698086362>nioh>soulsRetard
>>698086421>side step slop >"“Yes, it [Souls] did have a big impact on the direction this project eventually took,” Nioh Creative Director Fumihiko Yasuda told Eurogamer. “We have very, very high opinions of the Souls series and it's captivated a very wide audience, even here in Japan."
>>698086238Yep. It took direct influence from Souls games.
>>698086658>>698086676>nioh>soulsRetard
>>698086238Nioh 1 is a Souls clone through and through.
>>698084124KEK
>>698086236I know for a fact we got robbed off of a stage select https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uWhy9aumzE&t=391sApparently there's some beta build for NG2 and it's even emulatable but I couldn't find it off of quick search
>>698086335>I need infinite time to think about my actions or I can't succeed
>>698086734>knows devs intent more than the devsGenius brown
>>698086236>>698086802Actually found it, it's a pre-release one https://hiddenpalace.org/Ninja_Gaiden_II_(Mar_20,_2008_prototype)Gonna check it out
>leaves TN because he can't even shit out fightingslop>makes devils turd>fucks around with the NFT grift>now his company is tankingWhen will you tards realise Itagaki was always a hack and it was everyone else that made NG good?
>>698065181Playing Vanquish. it's really good, but the weapon upgrade system did supremely retarded. Anybody have tips?I restarted a mission and didn't realize all my upgrades up to that point would be wiped T.T
>>698087043Damn, that's like 2 months before the release? Might have some interesting balancing differences maybe. Golden dragon hp colors are still different here
>>698083878Holy shit is this how character action was started? You idiots must take things literally if you thought Just was apart of the name lol. They are Action games. Simple as.
>>698087183God Hard is the real difficulty and it removes weapon upgrading. Don't worry about the upgrades, just switch out weapons when they empty and utilise your environment>m-muh suit overhearts when i meleeBecause retard, you're not meant to melee every single enemy. This is a casual fuck criticism that means nothing. There's tons of little suit optimisation tricks to use and different weapons have different melee propertiesVanquish is fantastic but hard filtered 99% of people
>>698065181Give me a priority list between bayo1/vanq/all 5 dmc games and mgr
>>698082115NGB's ost is great but aside from that I can see where you're coming fromI think it has its charm though, it does an amazing job of capturing the essence of gen 3 console and arcade games.
>>698087095when will you realize some people work good with other people and will be shit with a different group of people?and i dont even like NG
>>698084047>KB/M for a melee action game
>>698083878J in J-Action doesn't stand for anything dude, it's literally called Just Action
>>698087371Highest to lowest priorityDMC 1Bayonetta 1DMC 3VanquishDMC 5DMC 4MGR
>>698087292Not him, my only gripe with Vanquish was the rushed ending and the cliffhanger leading to nothing. I understand WHY any project end with a cliffhanger, but I feel like I was robbed another 40 mintues of gameplay with those Russian twins.That said, I only did a Normal play through, but I do remember having fun and seeing a GDQ run with the runner animation canceling (?) the kick. Would revisit, but I with Platinum revisited it again int eh 7th gen, can't see it ever coming back. Even MGR feels like a turbo never ever at this point.
>>698087432>uh itagaki is a genius it was everyone else that was the problem definitelyItagakifags...
>>698085587>>They push for "character action" or "spectacle fighter" instead of the official names of the genre that are used by the devs.>>They think the "J" in "J-Action" stands for "Just Action."I'll just keep saying melee action as to not exclude classic GoW.
>>698087371DMC5DMC3DMC4MGRRVanquishthen quit cause you've played all the good ones. rip.
thoughts on DMC enemy design over the years
>>6980877821 had a perfect rosterEvery subsequent game had garbage dogshit
>>698087234Well fuck I downloaded the build but couldn't even launch it, shame.
>>698087823>can't load more than one enemy type in at onceIt's dated and both DMC4 and DMC5 surpassed it, but DMC1 fanboys aren't ready for this conversation
>>698087962ayo fr fr shit be clunky ahh dusty ahh boomer shitno the enemies having multiple attacks that can deal with different ranges and situations don't matter i need more CONTENT blud fr fr no cap
>>698087371DMC1 if you're not a shitterDMC3DMC4Bayonetta 1MGRRVanquishDmCDMC 5DMC2
>>698088015*laughs in grenade cancelling*
>>698088015>Turns your enemy design into a jokeNuthin personell
>>698065181>Absolutely love DMC, hundreds of hours in the series, finished 3,4 and 5 on DMD>All other actions games are one and done, if even thatDo I just have shit tastes? Closest thing that I enjoyed nearly as much was Astral Chain of all things
>>698065181>traninetta
>>698088432It's hard to dedicate yourself to a new thing, but try it outPlay Bayo 1 now
>>698088432No, DMC simply has the most replayablity due to its sandbox style combat. Almost all other action games feel like they were designed with a specific playstyle in mind, which makes them less fun to replay
>>698074205DMC3 did it way better.
Oh god now the DMCfags with their retarded opinions are here
>>698088820>this victim complexblud you gyatta be a bayotranny
OK who's shitposting and who's just a retardThe Itagakifag is just an underage tard so we can ignore him, but it's hard to tell who's legit and who isn't with DMC
>>698089067If they defend 5 in away then they're underage too. It's baby's first game.
>>698089173god he's such a chad, making garbage games and shilling NFTsIt's really chad to have your company fucking tank too
>>698089173Imagine being middle aged and still acting like this, how embarrassing.
>>698089318>>698089349
Why is it that Kamiyafags defend the horrible genre shifts because it's an arcade reference?My issue isn't that they're there, it's that they fucking suck.The shmup section in W101 is an insult to quality shmups but the fanboys defend it because dude muh arcade
>>698088432nah. unfortunately nobody has really replicated what the DMC team did correctly. everything else feels like a jank imitation. MGRR gets a lot of novelty bonuses from the parry and dismemberment systems and its story that make it worth playing but it's hardly a DMClike.
>>698088432Same but with NG
>>698089430because only retards cry about videogames being videogames
>>698089553That doesn't mean you have to add bad shit to them.
>>698089553Again, that's not the pointThe point is the genre shifts are low quality, not that they exist
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>>698089430So much of Kamiya's design is wrapped up in Gen X/Millennial memberberries so naturally for people that grew up with similar stuff that shit will have a special appeal. I don't like it either but I can respect that he makes games for himself and 12 other people
>>698089959Anon that's not what I said. Why is no one understanding me? It's not that the shifts and references are in there. It's that his implementation is terrible.
>>698086180>Do you realize that shitposting won't convince people like me or the millions buying the games to stop liking and buying them?My shitposting killed Naughty Dog, Bioware and Ubisoft. >NiohNioh is the gateway for J-Action. If you can play Nioh, then you can play Ninja Gaiden on Normal.
>>698090023And Im saying the implimation being terrible will get excused because its ultimately nostalgiawank, where execution matters very little, that's the reason he loves it
>>698090023People generally don't defend kamiyas weird autism, they just put up with it because the other shit is cool. His tokusatsu obsession is also lame as are the aesthetics in all his platinum era games as are all the stories. There's a reason platinums more successful games weren't directed by him.
>>698086236I wish Intercept and the rest of the Hurricane Pack content could be salvaged.>>698086802>stage selectI wouldn't say we were robbed. Honestly, Ninja Gaiden 04/Black/Sigma is structured like an adventure game with the chapters serving as a means of sectioning different events of the game rather than being levels themselves. The whole world of NG is connected with areas being available for revisits in case you missed something, so there really aren't stages. It would be like giving Zelda a chapter select.
The worst part is Kamiya isn't even obsessed with good toku like Ultraman, but he's a kamenfag
>>698090315You can't beat fromsoftware because they have both the casual and hardcore crown. DMC fans will always be lame versions of fighting game players who talk so much shit but are too scared to leave the training room.
>>698090651I meant NG2 in regards to stage select. Pretty sure you can get hurricane packs to run on xemu
>>698087519>We asked Kamiya if he’d be offended if people started using the term ‘J-Action’ to describe games like Bayonetta.>“On the contrary, I’d be very proud if you used that term,” he replied. “It’s more focused than the broad genre of action, and it highlights the unique elements that only Japanese developers can make. So yeah, if you wanted to do that, go for it, we’d be proud more than anything else.”Fanatics of the transexuals think it means Just Action.
>>698090912>You can't beat fromsoftware because they have both the casual and really casual crownSoulsfags struggled with Sekiro and AC6. Heh, I once saw a knight rolling towards me, and I made him stop by shooting him with my gun.
>>698090932So basically stuff like Okami, Onimusha, Nioh is Japanese Action.DMC, Bayo, MGR is Just Action, NG is maybe somewhere in-between?
>>698091267>Just ActionYWNBAW
>>698090932This genre is in desperate need of a stable name that isn't embarrassing to say. Stylish action is the most useable but it still sounds gay, stylish HARD action is even gayer, character action is vague and meaningless, j action is weebshit, hack and slash is boomer lingo that is associated with kusoge.Why this genre and this genre alone that cannot settle on a name.
>>698091470It's stylish action, end of
>>698091470I vote j-action. We have jrpgs that have a distinct style and action games are the same.
>>698091549This, J/Just-Action captures the no nonsense vibe these games are going for. Seperate from Action RPG or Action Adventure.
>>698065181So not only are you calling it the reddit term character action, but now we're going with J-action too?They're hack n slash mongoloid.
>>698065181NGB > the rest of the genre
>>698065181>Character action thread>J-actionAre character action games a purely Japanese phenomenon?
>>698086161All 3 13 games are good to great. People unironically get filtered but the plot expecting you to be able to understand 3 terms through context and not being directly told.
>>698091812It's JUST Action games Anon
>>698091549but that would imply japanese action games are better which is true and is already normalized imo so no need to separate them
>>698068364Anon this is impressive bait. Nobody can be this stupid, surely?
I identify myself as a J-actor.
>>698065970Playing through Strangers of Paradise, I'm shocked how much I like it. Enjoyed base game enough to do DLC, now I'm at DLC3 trying to get good relic gear. Only real regret is I didn't play around with casters or some of the DLC classes as much as I wanted to, maybe that'll be something to do on a second playthrough.
>>698090315>My shitposting killed Naughty Dog, Bioware and Ubisoft.No it didn't and those companies are anything but dead. Hell, the Naught Dog bald lady game will even buy GOTY regardless of quality due to Naughty Dog being "too big to fail". >Nioh is the gateway for J-Action. If you can play Nioh, then you can play Ninja Gaiden on Normal.I played Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1 on normal and hard. Couldn't get past one of the very first room on Very hard so I gave up.
>>698091470It's just Action games, sometimes specified as J-Action, or Just-Action. The J/Just is to seperate them from games with more RPG or adventure elements such as Souls or Batman games. Shooters are in their own category.
>>698065970Bullshit
I wish more action games were as straightforward and resolute as Ninja Gaiden 2. One of my favorite things about the game is that it rarely wastes your time. It's (generally) straight up non-stop action, and I really love that. I love Bayonetta 1, but I think it would be much better if it learned a thing or two from NG2, and removed all of the time-wasting sections and mini-games. I don't think anybody would miss that section where a Beloved chases you and Cereza down, for example. It's just a complete waste of time that really hurts replayability. I don't think I even have to mention Route 666 and Isla del Sol. Those are just terrible in every way. Every time I think of replaying Bayonetta 1, I remember all of that time-wasting BS, and then I just don't feel like playing it anymore. That never happens with Ninja Gaiden 2. Whenever I feel like replaying Ninja Gaiden 2, I just hit "New Game" and start a new run. Admittedly, NG2 still isn't free of those sections. I hate every room with respawning worms or any encounter with the flying fiends, but ultimately, those sections are nowhere near as bad as anything in Bayonetta. Ninja Gaiden 2 doesn't waste your time, unlike Bayonetta 1, which does everything in its power to waste your time and make you hate the game. Again, I really think that more action games should take inspiration from Ninja Gaiden 2 and perhaps even improve upon it by removing the remaining bloat.
>>698092803courtesy of chatgpt
>>698092803So you just want Sigma 2.
>>698091267Stop. They are Action games.
>>698091685>>698087276Dumbasses.
>>698092986Yeah, Sigma 2 does technically streamline 2 even further, but it's worse than the original in every other way, so I don't really care for it all that much.
OG trilogy is kino J-action and its time to stop pretending otherwise.
>>698093482Sigma 2 gets rid of the retarded projectile spam and makes individual enemies an actual threat so it's actually better.
>>698093578Is kino action yes.
>>698070891NG2 is the most ninja-like of the three. In the first game you just stand right in front of the enemy and block all the time. What kind of ninja does that? Ryu is the most agile in 2.
>>698092803>That never happens with Ninja Gaiden 2.It happens with me and NG2. It happens with me whenever I think of the worm boss. Sigma 2 is overhated. Even though regular enemy encounters are better in Vanilla 2, Sigma 2 does remove some unfun bullshit.
>>698093482>but it's worse than the original in every other waySigma 2 removed the worm boss, and replaced the double armadillo boss with the better black dragon fight.
>>698093578Yeah, but Snoy are masters of ruining good things so they turned God of War in Naughty Dogshit. God, I can't wait for Intergalactic to drop so that Naughty Dogshit gets kicked to the curb.
>>698094512That's why Sigma 2 Black is the best of both worlds.
I can't believe Naughty Dog are the same team that brought us Crashkino
>>698094713I wish we had a Sigma Black, call it "Shin Ninja Gaiden," that combines Hurricane Pack, Sigma and Black into one super game while removing the Rachel sections.
>>698094512Nah, the worm boss is overhated and can be defeated easily in the same way as any other boss fight in this game, it plays by the same rules. Sigma 2 on the other end is underhated because it fucked so hard with the formula that it's unplayable garbage that would have been dismissed instantly if not for the online coop and sixaxis boob jiggle.
>>698087570>animation canceling (?) the kickidk what you mean but the flash kick has separate hitboxes for the launch and damage. if you stand at the right distance you launch them without spending AR>>698086161>Are you being legit?lightning returns has proper juggling and parries and shit while still being a functional rpg where you care about weaknesses, buffs and debuffs
>>698095390>the worm boss is overhated and can be defeated easily in the same way as any other boss fight in this gameit's not a point in the game's favor that you can spam UTs on everything
>>698094945>removing the Rachel sections.I think you mean expanding her sections and making it a separate campaign from Ryu's.
>>698095471Well, you said that Sigma 2 is better with cleaner gameplay, but it makes the UT spam worse because it double to triplefold increased HP pool of all enemies and actively removed moves (especially from bosses) that would have prevented you from frequently using UTs, or in worst cases, force you to spam only Bow in many boss fights.For example, the entire Gigadeath sequence removed possibility of fighting him with lunar or claws. Water Dragon fixes you to the pilar, when in 360 you could fight him on water and under water with any weapon you wanted (vs. spamming bow).The only decent change at all is S2 was that they revamped double dragon boss fight with singular one that goes down to the ground to fight you.It simply removes content that should have been fixed or revamped, it's a really bad version of the game that was dressed up with new content like the girls and coop.
On god.
>>698079579>best gameplay how so?
What camera setup is ideal for 3D action, in your opinion?
>>698096670Itagakibros....dont look. Hes hacking.....
>>698065637The game only gets better as it goes on.The first 3 Eikons are kinda eh (still use them occasionally) the late game ones get cuhrayzee>>698072925>>698065970I HATE NIOHSHITI HATE NIOHSHIT>>698083047Even following the control layout they have (R2+button) they could've allowed 4 abilities per slot easily, it was intentional.There's directional input/noCD/balance mods out now anyway, will be replaying the game with them.
>>698093985Actually, that's exactly what makes Sigma 2 inferior to vanilla 2. Sigma 2 completely misses the point of Ninja Gaiden 2. "Making individual enemies an actual threat" by giving them bloated HP goes against the entire point of the original game. Ninja Gaiden 2's combat system is built around the fact that both you and the enemy can die very quickly. Enemies can very easily overwhelm you with numbers, so you must dispose of all of them as quickly as possible. Sigma 2 gets rid of this dynamic by greatly reducing the enemy count, and giving the enemies more HP, alongside giving them insta-kill grabs to compensate for the lower enemy count. Again, it gets rid of this fun dynamic that the original game had, and replaces it with this "oh, the enemies can just insta-kill you now" dynamic, which is just incredibly boring and lame. Removing the "retarded projectile spam" is also yet another bad thing Sigma 2 does. OG 2's "projectile spam" isn't "retarded" in any way. It serves an actual purpose. It encourages to constantly be on your toes, moving non-stop. It is there to encourage you to play as aggressively as possible. Standing still won't get you anywhere—defensive play won't get you anywhere. You have to go out and create opportunities to kill enemies by being aggressive. That's why you have so many different ways to access i-frames at your disposal. It's all there to encourage and reward aggressive play. Sigma 2 completely misses all of this. It does not understand the original game at all. It completely misses the point.TL;DR: Sigma 2 is not better than the original Ninja Gaiden 2. In fact, the whole game is proof that Hayashi does not understand Ninja Gaiden like Itagaki did.
>>698097196courtesy of chatgpt
>>698097196ninja gaiden black was not retarded projectile spam against enemies made of paper. strings were relevant for stunlocking an enemy to death. sigma 2 plays like that.
