Why do shmups, the best genre, cause so much hatred?Is it because of the sheer depth and density the genre offers, leading people who play non-games like JRPGs feeling inadequate?Is it because of the immense difficulty and brutal decisions, making those who can't get good cry and call them bullshit quarter munchers?Is it simply the purity of the genre, being all killer no filler gameplay?It's hard to say, but no genre like shmups causes quite this anger
Compare shooters to something like Minecraft, which never tells you that you have failed.No pain, no gain. But most people think that having any kind of fail state makes something "unfun", so, here we are.
>>719380008i mean... they're games that demand intense concentration and don't offer clear rewards to lower skill players. shmups are designed to punish players in some sense, and make them fail, a lot. and unlike a souls game or whatever there truly is no option other than to practice and git gud, or say fuck this game and move on. i say all this as somebody who enjoys shmups quite a bit btw. but you can't expect everybody to dig them, it takes a certain type of weirdo to find the motivation to really learn a game and play for score / 1cc or whatever
>>719380008hating on ____ is running out of steam, we love ____ again because you keep spamming ____ hate
>>719380374>compare one thing to a completely different thingwoah...
for me? its Hina
>>719380008Because most people don't understand what makes them fun, and the won't even try to see things from another perspective.
>heh you have to get good kid only hardcore players hereOK and if I just put in more money I get infinite lives and zero fail state>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HECKIN DO THAT YOU NEED TO 1CC IT WHILE BLINDFOLDED AND ONLY USING ONE BUTTON
>>719381107Console/PC releases should always have limited continues IMO.
>>719381210>game is only difficult due to a self imposed challenge
>>719381717meant for >>719381039
>>719380008Boring genre that failed to stay relevant and is only liked by obnoxious hyper fans ensuring that no one else ever makes anything interesting for it since they shit their pants when people try.
>>719381829meant for >>719381039
Kino
>>719381356retard
I am not the only one who thinks OP is spamming threads like these specifically because he's really butthurt about Mork and shmups, and wants to ruin discussion, right?Either way, use the /vr/ general or non-bait OPs for genuine discussion, leave those threads be.
>>>/vr/11988294
>>719382018Yeah case in point. He's been doing this shit for a while now.
>>719382018What the fuck, how much shitposting is going on?
>>719382249It's some Youtuber retard posting it
>>719381902What's boring about them? They're more exciting than a snoozefest like dark souls where you spend half your time walking.
>>719380008cause /v/ hate it when things got a name
>>719383054It's either you posting these threads, or you're unaware of the person that's obsessed with Mark and arcade like games.>>>/vr/11988860https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11988167https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11967929https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11909793https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11985291https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11982454https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11909735
>>719383665>11982454What game is on the left in 11982454
>>719380008>densityKEK. Have a (You).
My god Mark, just have full on stream chatting with 4chan shmuppers
>>719383768Thunder Dragon 2
>>719383665>sometimes not even a day apartWhat's the endgame here
>>719384240Clearly not discussing shmups in good faith.
What are your 5 favourite shmups? For me it's Mushihimesama, Armed Police Batrider, Battle Bakraid, Rayforce and 19XX
>>719387125Nigger stop bumping this thread
>>719387149Bump
There's nothing more infuriating than grinding your way to the last stage of a shmup and to lose your last life every single time. That means repeated 20-30 minute runs down the drain.
The only shmups I could get into were Sin and Punishment, Dangun Feveron and Under DefeatWhere do I go from here?
>>719388159Which ones did you try but not get into?Any reason why?
>>719388338I tried a lot of cave games, the strikers series, Darius Gaiden and G-Darius, Border Down (which I liked but way too annoying), Raiden 2, Garegga, 19XX, Terra Diver, Gunbird 2The repetition really got to me, despite some initial excitement, it felt like the games never evolved or got dynamic. Now I know people say the games are dynamic and all games have reptition, I can't explain it exactly, it just feels different to when I keep replaying say Ketsui or Ninja Saviors over and over again, versus when I play Sin and Punishment 2 or Child of Eden, in the later games I have a wonderful fun time even though I've played the levels before, learning and improving, while in the former it feels like a tedious chore
>>719388693Damn. Maybe you need a "start with the Greeks" situation. Literally play space invaders, galaga, xevious and just keep going letting your taste evolve with the genre. Which Cave games did you play? I assume Mushihimesama and one of the DoDonPachi series?
>>719388693Unironically play something like Twinkle Star Sprites. It's one of these games where no credit feels the same despite having an actual learning curve
>>719387314You could use save states to practice the last stage.
>>719389856I've played DDP, DOJ, ESPgaluda, Esprade, ESPgaluda 2, Deathsmiles, Mushi and Futari
>>719391465I do when I have that option, but in the shmups I liked the most I didn't have that option.
>>719391579Credit feed so you can always play the last stage then. Unless you are already at the point you get there all the time.
I just think bullet hell is lame, but that emerged for a reason. Need something that feels less like weaving through bullets while trying to keep a target on your firing line and more like dog-fighting.
>>719381968>We're sorry dear, we did all science allows but it seems F-22 is not going to make it :(
>>719380008They are the antithesis of the zoomer time waster, no winners or losers games that have become so popular with them. Shmups require a lot of skill to beat and there is a definite win/lose dynamic that you’re up against.
>>719391549All of the stages in mushihimesama are completely different, which is a big reason why that game is praised so maybe play past the first level probably, unless you mean futari, in which case if you're complaining about that you just don't like video games and never will like video games so may as well just move onto a different board
>>719380008its surely not due to elitist pricks like you that think they're hot shit because they dumped 5k hours into a toy made for 80's kids
