Why fighting games are so hard to get into? even the "Easy" ones with one button motions are filtering normalfags
>>719487542Surely HE knows what he's talking about
>>719487542>1+ hour videotl;dw summary ..?
>>719487542Getting absolutely annihilated by a 10,000 hour sweat online can be a pretty demoralizing experience for many people. That's why most casual fighting game players stick to single player arcade ladders, and don't bother learning the deeper complexities fighting games have.
No different from getting rushed in RTS and getting noscoped in FPS
>>719487969I'm not going to watch it, but he thought he was going to hit 2k in Street Fighter (because he hit 2k in chess and like league) because he got to master rank, but he immediately tanked and got his shitter cleaned, so now there's a video complaining why people don't play fighting games.
There's only one fighting game I've played thats;1. Fun2. Skill demanding3. Doesn't require 4500 hours of combo memorization4. Balanced
>>719487761Yeah, you're talking about the übermensch who mastered LoL in every role, Chess and is in peak physical form.
>>719488427>Skill demandingkek
>>719488502Sorry you can't just hold block until your opponent gives you a gap for you 49 hit 80% life combo.
>>719488487he took 2 years to just barely make challenger in 5 rolesmagifelix got rank 1 in 5 roles in ~2 monthstyler is trash tier at lol and people in challenger games literally try to avoid getting him on their team because he's a deadweight anchor
>heres how sonic boom BREAKS you
>>719488578Than you just get grabbed over eat an overhead/low
>>719488427It's simplified souls combat, but it does the trick
>>719488616Tyler is a family man, I doubt the pipsqueak could've done that with wife + kid + being able to squat 3pl8
>>719487542>>719487761you are a fanboy for a specialist in failure
>>719488697Sorry I forgot your game was rock paper scissors at it's highest level.
>>719487542When you take the time to learn the moves and then the next version comes out with balance changes and you realize you can combo the same moves.
>>719488902All PvP games are rock paper scissors.
Maybe he should try Minecraft
>>719488952*Can't
>>719487542I used to sandbag in tekken so my friends could have fun with the game too. They got so much better over the months! My heart would swell with pride when I watched them inprove and incorporate new techniques, combos and tactics into their repertoire. Then one day while we were drinking and playing one of them who had gotten better than the others faster started talking too much shit and I let it get to me. I not only beat his ass but I didn't let anyone else get a win for the rest of the night. That was the last night we played Tekken and pretty much the last time we ever hung out, or at least that I was invited. They interpreted by sandbagging as proof that I was dishonest and manipulative.
>>719489072ak-47 is rock and huh p90 is scissor >mmhmmk?
>>719489072Hey you're fucking retardedPlay me in quake.
>>719489349Does anyone know what this means?
>>719487542I think1) The gameplay of fighting games just doesn't have wide mainstream appeal like some other genres. Your average gamer won't like it. This is fine though, as long as the games manage to be profitable while being niche.2) It takes a long time to reach the higher tiers of skill. If you're someone who can only be satisfied when you're at the top, and can't enjoy the climb, then you're not going to like fighting games.
>>719489409I don't play shitty team games. They're faggot balanced
Im not black so my time is worth more than 3$/hour.
>>719489513>quake>team gameExactly what I thought, you're just a casual who plays shit games and then is confounded at the concept of a game that isn't balanced around rock paper scissors
>>719487542It's not the inputs, it's the mechanics. Even going through tutorial modes, most games just throw mechanic after mechanic at you in quick succession and give you a hundred things to master on top of learning the controls.I'd love to see a game experiment with making low tier ladders where there's a progression of gameplay systems:>0: can only do simple button inputs>1: add blocks, throws, jumps>2: add character special moves>3: add counters, meters, etc.So that people can master the absolute basics before exploring the entire game. This is how it goes for learning just about anything - start with the simple, and work toward more complex situations and concepts.
You had to be grandfathered in from the time when people still played them for fun and grew an interest from there. Jumping straight to the training mode wall and absorbing 30+ years of accumulated knowledge isn't going to make anyone love the games.
>>719490030What's your steam? AC, Rev2, 3S, SF4/5/6. Pick the game, leave steam ID
>>719488769>move the sword game is my number is bigger than your number rollslop gameAnon?
>>719489513retard, btfo
>>719487542Because you can't be carried by a team, that's the reality, yeah if you suck and go online you're going to be demolished, but the same is true for every online multiplayer game, but in Apex I can die in 5 minutes and still feel like a winner when my squad keeps pushing, people hate fighting games because there's no reward without effort
They’re hard to get into because they’re hard games that offer no rewards for the effort. At some point one begins to wonder if it’s not better to learn something useful instead, or go play an easier more fun game. Sekiro for example has hard bosses but most of the game you spend exploring and fighting weaker enemies. There’s nothing like that in fighting games. It’s maximum effort all the time for no reason
>>719490332It’s not that. It’s an unfair system where even a beginner is matched against experienced players because there’s no healthy pool of fresh blood. It’s the same if you play StarCraft. A bronze player will have watched hundreds of hours of guides and knows the meta. These stagnant games have no proper beginner experience
>>719490205I'll play you in quake because it takes skill unlike whatever all that shit is.
Fighting games suffer from trying to appease to the hardcore playerbase. Due to that they rarely attract new players because the investment to just be mediocre is so high. It's an unsustainable gaming model.
>decide to play fighting games>lose against everyone who puts in more time than you>win against everyone who puts in less time than youThis sounds like a great thing until you realize>almost everyone still playing fighting games in 2025 has infinity+ hours.So if you put in 100 hours, you may have beaten your opponent if he had also put in just 100 hours, but the reality is that you will lose because your opponent has put in 10k+ hours.Either play something else and enjoy it a lot more or accept you will be chained to playing a genre for infinity hours just so you can get a win and your e-penis will feel good for 5 seconds.
>>719490737That's also true for every online multiplayer game except the ones that match you with bots if your skill level is too low, but I guess that could be a solution for fighting games, make the noobs fight a lot of cpu opponents without realizing until they get good enough for real players
>>719490084Take it from someone who's taught Yugioh to a couple of people, that shit doesn't work. You cannot teach someone a system by piecemealing it because if you do that, then you aren't actually teaching them how to play the game itself. They'll know about the mechanics, but then they won't see how the mechanics meaningfully interact with each other in any way. Some activities you need to learn practically
>>719487542have to be boomer
>>719491071And everyone playing overwatch and fortnite have been playing shooters since unreal tournament or something? A lot of those are literal kids that aren't even old enough to have accumulated that amount of skill, I think the reason why fighting games feel frustrating for new players while other games don't is because you're either punching someone or getting punched, almost every other online game has a lot of downtime where you're at least not being pummeled while running around
>>719491268There's also the fact that there's no other outlet for your failures other than yourself. There's no blaming your team when there is none. Well, other than blaming the game itself, I guess lol
Fighting games are for arcades and a group of friends. Treat it like popcorn that you pull out to warm up before the real game.
People hate losing, simple as. Tyler1 is a League of Legends pro, which means his real skills are memorizing textbooks of information, performing spread sheet inputs, and blaming other team mates for his failures.All else is cope, you don't play fighters because you hate losing and want to be the MC. Fighting games make it VERY clear when you aren't the MC. I will continue to play fighting games, because it's fucking punk rock.
>>719491071>>lose against everyone who puts in more time than you>>win against everyone who puts in less time than youNot how it works.
>>719488616I don't like Tyler either, but it's more impressive for a "normal" man to do great things in gaming than a life-long nerd who's literally a contracted pro. Plus the muscles. Streaming is an image industry.
>>719489409Fuck off tard, Quake is literally just about being a step or two ahead. I control spawns, I control flow. You peek, I shoot.
It's really simple. Being bad fucking sucks. It's extremely frustrating to feel like you're making no progress. I switched to a new controller in Tekken and I was losing, badly, against 30 defense Laws that I would and should be able to mop effortlessly. But I'm eating junkyard mixups and can't break throws because I'm not used to it yet, and it really, really, really fucking sucks. Enough that I put the game down for several months, which only exacerbated the problem.
I like fighting games, but I can't deny their pyramid scheme nature. Either you have the gene, or you have to put in a lot of work (grind).
>>719487542They're zoomers, they never had to compete or accept blame for their shortcomings in their lives.
>>719489345It's the sin of being a good friend. I can't even pretend that I'm new with Tekken with my friends since they can clearly see my game hours. I often find that people like to believe they like the game for its own merits but more often than not the casuals like to beat their friends and brag that they're eugenically better than them because they so happen to win a game they don't even know about against someone else in the same shoes. Friends like to treat fighting games like they're party games but w/ "skill". They don't exactly care about the game they're just using it as an excuse to socialize. This, retrospectively, is where you dropped the ball: You stopped treating it as a casual social thing and got competitive, thus completely dropping the mask. You shouldn't have completely shown your power level, maybe you could've thrown in some decent side stepping "by accident", but you obviously went too far. Emotions can run high with these things, if you really care about your former friends give them an apology and be honest.
That's is why you only play them locally or with actual friends (that also willing to teach you about matchups and stuff)
>>719492369>play locally with actual friends>this happens >>719489345Not that anon either, that happened to me with smash bros, none of my irl friends like real fighting games.
>>719491268>And everyone playing overwatch and fortnite have been playing shooters since unreal tournament or something?>I think the reason why fighting games feel frustrating for new players while other games don't is because you're either punching someone or getting punched, almost every other online game has a lot of downtime This isn't the case and both fighting game and RTS retards will never accept their doomed reality.People playing Fortnite don't even know Unreal exists. They didn't grow up playing Doom 2, Quake, or CS. Likewise, people who played UT aren't playing Fortnite. Yet the people who played SF2 on release are playing newly released fighting games and dominating as much as possible to make sure the world knows they are super good video game player.Skills in both RTS and Fighting Games are largely transferable to each other as the games aren't much different at the core with the same core skills on loop with a fresh coat of paint. Meanwhile looking at CS, Fortnite, and Overwatch those 3 games are entirely different from each other that has aiming as a vital skill, but beyond that you have to aim in all kinds of different ways and worry about so much more depending on the game you play.The playerbase for other genres is huge. Fighting Games and RTS are dead and barely have any players at all, the only players that exist are the ones who have infinite play time. There are no new players. No one wants to be the new player in those genres because they would be entirely alone.Because of this its much easier to find people to play against and have an enjoyable game in other genres.Although RTS doesn't have this problem, the FGC has a huge nasty smell about it. No one enjoys being around smellbads both literally and spiritually. Smellbad culture was fun in the 2000s when youtubes didn't understand. No one wants to be around any of these people. They are complete faggots and smell horribly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsJfLKtGlfw
>>719492496>holding back because you're desperate for matches in the first placeYou guys are the retardsGet friends that actually on your level or play local tourney where you know you'll find people with varied skill levels
The process of self-improvement has been muddled in the modern era. Young gamers are conditioned to SBMM, EOMM, bot lobbies, team games with abstract objectives, and anything else that separates victory from their direct action. In the old days, gamers simply gamed. If you weren't good enough, that's fine. You just played more. But now people have this weird expectation that they should be good at things as soon as they begin, that the systems should lower themselves to their level, and that gaming should be some sort of transferable skill(?)The mental game of the average man is fucked.
>>719492681>Get friends that actually on your levelTHOSE DON'T EXIST, BECAUSE MY FRIENDS DON'T PLAY FIGHTING GAMES
>>719487969>Yeah well, your son is gay, Clark
>>719492776>self improvement>against someone who has been self improving since the 90sI just started in today, any advice on winning against someone with 40+ years of experience?Or do I also need to cuck myself out of 40 years of enjoying video games to enjoy a win so my ego feels good?
>>719487542I started Strive a bit over a year ago, not even able to hit confirm the gigantic counterhitsThese games are easy to get into, especially modern ones that have far less character specific or system related bullshit
>>719489345You probably took it too far, but if they disconnected that fast they probably thought very little of you to begin with. Probably should have stomped them from the start.
>>719492787Then don't play it with themGo into tourney and make NEW friends. Hell, if you're still a student, you can even stumble upon people with similar interests in university or what have you
>>719487542People who suck too badly to play fighting games don't want to fake-play the game either. What would be the point?
>>719491972"EVERY GAME IS JUST ABOUT BEING A STEP OR TWO AHEAD DURRR" -Paraphrasing some retardChess too.
The issue is that the skill levels are absolutely all over the place, and since it isn't a team based game, you can't coast and rely on your team while practicing and learning to play. New players aren't coming in, because they know they'll get fucked and not have fun.I think the only solution is making an AI that actually plays like a player, but that is unbelievably harder than it sounds.
>>719492861This is EXACTLY what I mean. You are comparing your level to someone far beyond you. In any avenue you pursue, there will ALWAYS be the expert, equally as unreachable. Yet in FGC you consider him your neighbor?SELF-inprovement is relative, if you frame it through the experience of another then you ALWAYS fail. If you want to pursue something, you simply do. The difference is FG lays bare the struggle of humanity for relevance and self-respect, it fucks with weak mentals.
>>719492861Not everybody who put in decades of playing these games was playing them all that seriously or equally seriously, focused practice can lead you to outdoing most of them within a year or two. There are literal teenagers winning tournaments. That's not just about being a prodigy either, it's about properly approaching learning.
>>719487542>lose team based game>blame teammates >lose rng based game>blame rngwho are you going to blame when you lose a fighting game match? >inb4 lowtiergod clips
>>719493235>The issue is that the skill levels are absolutely all over the place, and since it isn't a team based game, you can't coast and rely on your team while practicing and learning to play. New players aren't coming in, because they know they'll get fucked and not have fun.This is mitigated by large playerbases, in fact SF6 is the most popular fighter by far also thanks to that
>>719493220Yes anon. If I can get you off tempo, I can win much easier because you are panicking. Human psychology is the most underrated aspect of gaming.
>>719492861LOL ain't that some hyperbole unless you're playing some insanely old game thats only community is on discord you're fine.Street fighter, tekken and guilty gear are all games where you can steal a win from someone else with about the same amount of experience as you. Legit git gud.
>>719490264Try that again in English
>>719493248>The difference is FG lays bare the struggle of humanity for relevance and self-respectlmao nice cope of saying you wasted your entire life repeating the same button combos just so you can brag about being "good">>719493257>There are literal teenagers winning tournaments.tournaments come in all forms including some at walmart, find me a literal teenager winning a huge tournament. This thread is full of FGC apologists.>SEE BRO KIDS CAN WIN TOURNAMENTS AT MY LOCAL ARBY'S!!!!>WHY ARENT YOU PLAYING FIGHTING GAMES BRO!!!!
>>719487542>>719490737>>719491071>>719492861This could be easily fixed if Japanese games weren't retards and implemented functional ranked systems.
>>719492861these games are not complex enough to warrant 40+ years of experience, at one point there's no difference between having 2 years or 50 years of experience in those games, they are nowhere as complex as chess for examplemost important experience is on the individual game. what previous experience does is skyrocket you to the top immediately but up there you'll start climbing glacially slow again. a new player will take time to get to the peak but once he does he won't be that far behind
>>719493346>win once because of sandbagging>see this proves newbs can win against people who sweat the game all the time!!!!loooooool
>>719493262>who are you going to blame when you lose a fighting game match?the characters
Just play a game with footsiesThe combos are extra if you git gud at footsies.I got a few rounds deep at tourneys all the time and only knew 1 combo, made plenty of nolifers seethe who "labbed combos" all day.
>>719493447You are a picture perfect example of what I mean, bursting into treats at the mere implication that you could be wasting your potential on negative thought. The time you spent naming your reaction pictures was equally useless. It's hilarious how people like you seem to hate fighting games, but are in every fighting game thread. Almost like you're weak mental has created some quasi-tsundere coping mechanism.
>>719493482>these games are not complex enough to warrant 40+ years of experience,Correct. Now you get it. The FGC is full aging millennials that their only thing they've done in life is play fighting games and nothing else. This way they can't lose except to other people in engaging their retarded fucking arms race.Why would anyone on earth play fighting games?????
It's a genre based on trained reflexes and there are enough of them to learn all at once that you have to suck shit for a good long while before they start to take hold in your brain. Most people don't want to sit through that. And that's without piling on elaborate inputs.
>>719493447why do you "have" to win evoare you still 10 years old dreaming about being a professional gamer? Just play games for fun. If you hate the FGC then you wont have fun.
>>719491268>And everyone playing overwatch and fortnite have been playing shooters since unreal tournament or something?Unrealfags don't touch that shit and you know it.Closest thing you can argue is Counter-Strike and its clones.
>40 000+ hours in League of Legends...?>Don't mind if I YABBA DABBA DO!>200 hours in Fightan game X?>The very height of absurdity! How insulting!t. Tyler
psycho knuckle
>>719493637because they're fun? I genuinely don't understand your complaint, I told you you can easily beat those boomer ass wasting their lives in fighting games easily. I literally do a couple of times and started playing them a year ago
>>719493630>struggle of humanity for relevance and self-respectPerforming basic hygiene isn't a struggle of humanity. Well it is if you play fighting games.
>>719493447>/vt/ reaction picif it was just a vtuber pic I wouldn't have said anything but you even gently left the filename too, outing yourself as a loser talentless hack who will never achieve anythingjust play braindead games that make you feel good so that you won't shit yourself crying after getting beaten once and move on
>>719492776Social media and other shit like streaming fucked with everyone's brains by making it too easy to see everybody else's lives and accomplishments and compare it with your own. That's why you see so many bitch about not being instantly good at something (like fighting games) and dropping shit weeks if not days after picking them up, frustration tolerance is practically nonexistent in today's society.People these days would rather watch or complain about anything than actually take it up themselves, and then complain some more when they try to actually do something and realize they're too impatient to get anywhere with it. That's why you get shit like ""parasocial"" relationships and moping about how certain genres are "too difficult for me!!!". It's saddening.
>>719493447https://youtu.be/DLmSJeINNrM?si=GcvygHHKh_xFdGnBhttps://liquipedia.net/fighters/Blazhttps://liquipedia.net/fighters/Mickyhttps://liquipedia.net/fighters/EndingWalkerDoes it have to be first at a major tournament? I think anybody on /v/ would be satisfied with performing like that. Like no anon, you probably won't win EVO, but you can still become indisputably "good" at fighting games.
>>719493772LoL is actually worth the investment, in stark contrast.
>>719493606Footsies is boring as fuck.
>>719493637>anon realizes that people who have more experience at a subject are better than him>gives up immediately and shits his pantsThis isn't really about you being a zoomer, its about you being a faggot
>>719487542I mean it's because people are generally not child groomers and don't want to be. If you enter the community they literally force you to if you weren't already, it's happened to multiple high name competitors.
>>719493918it was worth for him, not for anyone else kek
>>719493927>Footsies is boringsilencio, ESL
>>719493814You've done nothing but bitch, complain, insult, and post named reaction pictures. You're kind of a faggot, bro.
>>719489345something kinda similar happened to me>friend bought a ps5 and tekken 7>don't play 3D but im decent at 2D fighters>sandbag so the vibe stays casual>occasionally drop hints about blocking lows and teching throws etc >months go by and no one improves meaningfully >one drunken night i basically sweep everybody without dropping a game>now all they wanna play is crash team racing or fifa
>>719493927Aren't SF6 and Tekken 8 all about rushdown though?
>>719493902Yeah even when fighting games were at their peak relevance in the 90s, most of us sucked balls. We just didn't know it because we were good against our neighborhoods and we were happy. Having the entire world to compete against is great for getting to experience the game more, but it can fuck with your head if you let yourself be insecure about people being better than you. Just stop caring about that, focus on enjoying yourself and improving purely for the joy of it.
When people think of "easy to get into" fighting games, they go for ones that have one-button inputs. Are there any that are just slower so someone new who hasn't internalized what the animations mean and how to respond can keep up and actually do something?
>>719494087Honestly inputs are less of a challenge than the mountains of situational data you need to study and memorize.
>>719493606combos are easierfooties straight wall at some point
>>719492861You learn iron-like fundamentals and keep the gameplay simple.I started in 09, learned zoner in and out. Now if i pick a 2D fighting game and pick the 'zoner' character - my fundamentals on neutral, punishing, movement and 'trigger discipline' is alot stronger than any newcomer.>>719493262You blame the game like t1.>>719487542Guy picked the easiest, one of the most 'cheap' characters in the game - ride it like he stole it to the Master and then begun to play against actual people with gameplans and fundamental understanding.... now its the games fault.
>>719493717You've missed the point as most in the FGC do because their IQ is black.It's not that I have to win Evo or my local tournament or at my friends house. I want to have fun.It's not fun when you're playing against a psychopath who has spent at least a decade of their life in one gaming genre seriously competing so that they can be at the top of their game.Read the other replies to my post.>>719493630>>719493248>>719492861This poster is exactly why no one wants to play fighting games and you all actually believe it whether you admit it to yourself or not.>The difference is FG lays bare the struggle of humanity for relevance and self-respectIt's a video game!!!!!
BALOON
>>719493927
I've been struggling with consistently hitting diagonals for jump cancels/IADs with a ds4 dpad.I dont know what I'm doing wrong where it registers as an 8 instead of a 9, even if both up and left/right are pressed at the same time.Am i leaning too much on the up dpad, resulting in that registering first?Or do I have fat fucking fingers?
Fighting games rely on mechanical knowledge more than twitch reactions. Anyone can pick up an FPS and do okay and possibly win, almost nobody can pick up a fighting game and win a single match against anyone who has any experience.Even simplistic fighting games like For Honor that rely on mostly feinting and flow charts to maximize your damage only has 4k players on Steam, which is more than pretty much every other fighting game except the biggest ones.
>>719493814not washing your ass before stepping into the venue is simply operating on layers of yomi plebians can't begin to comprehend
>>719493637WEC had a milion dollar tournament literally last weekend and one of the grand finalist from one of the highest paying and competitive pool of players - and he was 16 years old.People who cry 'its too late' really dont get it.
>>719494087think of sf2 or that era of fighter where they didn't over design by having 5 subsystems to deal with all you need to know is how to do moves and then figure out how to use them
>>719494261lmaoooo
>>719493257>That's not just about being a prodigy>>719493905>posts a prodigyWhich is it anon? Do you have to be a prodigy to take down people who nolife fighting games? Or can you do it on your own with grit and skill?
They are not "hard" to get into, they don't even require you to have good execution anymore, you can probably do relatively optimal combos with a basic character in Strive or SF6 in just a couple hours of practice or less and be ready to play online. You are going to be required to learn fundamentals,and that's where you are going to get your ass kicked for a while, but if you're not willing to do that, then what the fuck are you doing playing competitive games online for?Most people are filtered because they're like Tyler1 and aren't capable of any accountability.Fighting games are an amazing self reflection/growth tool, and you end up never really being done with them. There's always something practice or improve on, if there wasn't then no one would play them (see Divekick). If you are learning, practicing, and applying it bit by bit, you ARE interacting with the genre at it's fullest. If people don't want to get into FGs because of the nuFGC, I totally get it, I don't interact with those degenerates either. >>719493639I think this is another problem, retards like this don't actually know what is going on in fighting games, so they just make up reasons why they are bad. Reactions only go so far all the JP OGs are all approaching mid 40s and still able to compete at the highest level.
>>719489345Let that be a lesson for you. You should have destroyed them from the start.
>>719487542How do i even get good at them though i really need to learn all thoose concepts though...
>>719487542because a lot of normalfags lack the minimum discipline required to sit down and lab shit out, and those who do quickly realise that getting good at fighting games is not worth your time.
If your game is PvP, an unskilled player needs to have fun when playing against a skilled player. Otherwise, newcomers will immediately drop it when they go up against existing players.The fighting game community demands perfect fairness because they insist on big cash prizes for tournaments. So the new player can't just have a chance to win if they get lucky, it needs to be fun for them to lose.The fighting game community demands complicated inputs, because that's what the same top 8 players they've had for decades are used to. It demands true combos so they can show off their skill, or combos that can only be escaped with the right DI or Ukemi or some shit, so they can play mind games. The new players end up feeling like they don't even have control while the existing player kicks the shit out of them for the whole match.You can't sell millions by making a game that only the top 8 players in the whole world enjoy. So how do you get new players? License an IP that they like enough to buy even though the gameplay isn't fun. Boom, dying genre full of anime and superhero slop.
>>719494398You don't have to be a prodigy to reach a high level. You might have to be a prodigy to win a major tournament after a couple years of learning as a teenager. But not to reach a high rank online and even do well at tournaments.Not that complicated.
>>719487542Tyler's "success" for lack of a better word is both encouraging and puzzling. He found a cheese tactic where he would just play textbook Guile - crouch, throw sonic booms and flashkick whenever his opponent jumps. This coupled with modern inputs carried him all the way to master rank. But in master rank, you are swimming with sharks and many players know how to deal with a turtling Guile. Since Tyler flat-out refuses to learn more damaging combos or how to deal with certain characters, he's eating shit. And someone as spoiled as him doesn't like that.>watches a pro Guile and comments "Hey, he's not doing different stuff compared to me."This is how you know he doesn't understand the game, nor is he trying to seriously learn.
>>719493957>you're a faggot unless you spend 40+ years like me on a game genre to be good at it!!!no anon, you and your dead genre are the faggots
Every competitive game takes a long ass time to learn properly, fighting games aren't the exception. The only reason people think they're unique in that regard is because they carry more personal responsibility
>>719494580Not the case with shooters and mobas.
>>719494231>It's not fun when you're playing against a psychopath who has spent at least a decade of their life in one gaming genre seriously competing so that they can be at the top of their game.And you have very rarely played against anyone like that, if at all.From my estimation, you are just a complete fucking n00b who has not spent even a minimal time learning the general movement and rhythm. The problem with the internet is that it allows complete fucking retards like you to post non-stop shit without having any qualifications to back them up.
>>719487542Because knowledge gapSame problem with ASSFAGGOTSYou need to play for a long ass time to catch up
>>719491071This also goes for Mordhau and Chivalry, any game like that really
>>719494231Energy Kyo-ka!! or Energy Kyouka!! depending on the translation, but you probably know this.
>>719494628>mobasyou're joking rightdo you know there's people eternally stuck in the lowest rank right?
>>719494547literally everything in life has people who spent more time at it than yougood luck at doing literally anything you underachieving crybaby.
>>719493447Punk got pretty close on his first EVO run at 18. He got second to Tokido and almost won but choked on his potential win to which Tokido ended up swinging it around to his victory.
>>719487542so what? why can't there be games that are hard to get into? why is it that these people feel entitled to a spread carpet in their direction that leads them all the way to the top of the ladder? why do they care about rating so much? all these faggot care about is win win win win win, number up, number up, fuck off, just play the gamefighting games are the same at all skill levels, if you suck and you play against someone else that sucks, it's the same game as the 2 most skilled people playing against each other, in fact, it's even more enjoyable, because every new thing you learn is fun, top players have no fun in fighting games, they haven't had fun in 15 yearsjust play the fucking game, jesus christ, fuck rating, fuck the ladder, or if you want to be a slave to it, then do that but don't complain that you want to be dragged through the mud on the way up
>>719493772ASSFAGGOTS players are brain damaged.
>>719494628>Wave management, jungle timers, Itemization, hundreds of abilities, even poking/neutral game>Utility setups, peek spots, map knowledge for every map, effective aiming, also a ton of abilities if you're a ValorantfagThere's just as much to learn in these games as there is in fighting games. The only reason people feel there isn't is because they can say their team was trolling and that's why they're stuck in iron or silver 2
>>719493432>arcade fencing game>moving a sword>JRPG>numbers game + dodge button + latencyAccording to you, these are the same?
>>719494898Seriously, I don't understand these people. They are so taken by their own narcissism that they expect victory on a platter, no matter what they do. Those people will never have the dedication to learn anything, because there will always be someone better than them. And they can't have that. Fuck learning, fuck self-improvement. I'm the best already, and the game's mechanics should cater to me me me.
>>719489345Shit like this is why I've mostly completely pivoted to co-op games with friends. A big skill imbalance is harder to feel, and if you do need to lock in and carry you're the hero instead of the bad guy.
>>719495015Oh also I believe Endingwalker got into top 8 last year's EVO and he was 17 or 18 at the time. Also NoahTheProdigy was taking names during SFV era when he was 14 or something. Kakeru this year won Capcom Cup and is 27. Mena stands to become potentially the GOAT SF player and he's 26.There are alot of youthful players making names for themselves starting from SFV.
>>719494404The thread is about why people don't get into fighting games. Whether the reason is based on what fighting games actually are once you get into them is irrelevant, you fucking moron.
>>719495307There are so many fucking zoomers playing SF6 rn its... actually great. I never expected to feel like 'passing a torch' in a way - seeing new generation enjoy the genre. Really special in Fighting games i think.
"desert island" games, fighting game edition: which 3 do you pick? or maybe there's only 1 you need
>>719495313nigga did you read?
>>719495426It feels like fighting games are bigger than ever honestly. I used to get hyped that Tekken 7 had 3k players on steam and now it seems like the baseline
>>719495021Because fighting games are so barebones that ladder is basically all you have outside of inhouses and the worlds been so atomized that inhouses are much rarer
>>719494404>Reactions only go so far all the JP OGs are all approaching mid 40s and still able to compete at the highest level.That post didn't come anywhere close to mentioning reaction times. I'm sorry that you're an illiterate retard, but that was talking about learning the correct response for a situation and learning it thoroughly enough that you no longer get delayed by having to think about it.
>>719487542the ego of the average gamer isn't strong enough to handle getting battered 1v1 against somebody who is simply far better than you.
>>719495426Yeah SF competition is really strong. Only thing it lacks is more personalities but you could argue it was just a different culture during SFIV era. Mena and the boomers bring it here and there but it's pretty sparse. Also commentary is not as fun with people like Sajam, Vicious, James Chen and Ultra David not being as good as Mike Ross and Gootecks.
There needs to be something said about the complexity of some characters over others too. There are characters that are much easier than others. Having never played Tekken before I got to fujin on King in like 40 hours. It took closer to 250 hours to get Reina there.
>>719487542High learning curve that requires hours of investment, every franchise/game plays differently, ultra sweaty multi-player, limited window of time to try and learn each game before the community dies out, often lackluster story/single player content, modern fighting games are often HEAVILY monetized even by the standards of the current industry. I think thats all the main stuff
The biggest issue I have is I'm lazy. I can't make myself study all the matchups or to set situations up in training mode and all that. I just want to fight people. I'd probably be better at doing all that training stuff if I didn't blow my game time posting here.
>>719491692unc is seriously posting a picture of a funko pop and trying to seem cool
Why do so many people in these threads pretend to be zoomies?Black zoomies at that.
Being a novice at a fighting game generally means you just don't get to play, you just watch. There's no entry point.
>>719495598you're right, I read reflexes as reactions. It still doesn't make his post less reductive or retarded.
>>719495752This is why "just pick whoever looks cool to you :)" is not the best advice.
>>719495780>often HEAVILY monetized even by the standards of the current industry.This is simply not true. Character packs usually run you about $20-$30 for a season which is cheaper than spending $40-$50 for a new version. Most fighters don't even do skin battle passes, I can only think of GBVSR off the top of my head and SF passed are just avatar content and music.
>>719495942black and trans people are the only ones who care about this genre
>>719495993>can't even finish reading one sentence>things he can call a post "reductive or retarded"
>>719495834And that's fine. There are plenty of players on your level who are just as lazy. There is fun to be had, even if you don't want to put in the hours. The issue here is that people who don't put in the work get furious why they can't beat players who invest more time and effort. And that's just ridiculous. A good competitive game always rewards one player putting in more work than the other.
>>719495978>Lose game in a fighting game>Spend a few minutes as a spectator>Lose lane in League>Spend 40 minutes as a spectator and hope your team carries you/the enemy fucks up
>>719495978Lower ranks are literally nothing but mashing and dropped combos.
It's crazy how lost everyone gets in the sauce of "combos" and mechanical "depth" when all attacks amount to high/med/low and grab. Fundamentals boys, fundamentals.
OH N-
>>719487542i cant into stick inputs for specials
>>719495227WISDOMThis not only goes for fighting games or even just videogames. Any sort of play where you're competing against your friends and they'll take it as a personal insult if you target them.
>>719496069Im not just talking about price but amount of content and it's presentation. Being blasted with advertisements and intrusive graphics trying to get more money out of you every time you boot up the game will always be grating. Also character packs costing more than a few dollars at most is fucking insane and a testament to how terrible things have become.
>>719496365I agree, a newbie could learn cr mk hadouken, anti air DP and a bit of patience and he will absolutely destroy all of his novice friends. Too many people get stuck on the idea that you have to lab optimal combos for every opener.
>>719495021Soulcalibur VI sold double the amount it needed to be considered a financial success. That wasn't good enough for them to make Soulcalibur VII. The 4th-best-selling non-licensed fighting game series of all time is dead.Tekken 8 probably hasn't hit its sales target yet to be considered a financial success, and given the state of its community, it's not likely to. They'll probably get one more chance, but if Tekken 9 doesn't sell well above 10 million, do you think there will ever be a Tekken 10?>why can't there be games that are hard to get into?>fuck off, just play the gameThe genre is fucking dying. There aren't going to be games to play if they're all hard to get into.
>>719487542Theirs better friendslop now. Only really tedious people play fighting games.
>>719496590Most people don't even have the time to learn 3 characters let alone the 20 that get added over a game's length. It's really as simple as not buying it if you don't think you'll play the character.
>>719496590You can still buy individual characters at a few dollars unless I'm mistaken. Again, do you remember before Character Passes when new versions with 2-4 characters would cost $40-$50? Undernight did this technically with UNI2
>>719496731>It's really as simple as not buying it if you don't think you'll play the character. I don't but I still have to sit there and look at the endless ads for that thing im never going to buy.
>>719496723How come things are so grim for Soulcalibur? I know it sold millions and I believe the fans received 6 well enough but everyone always says the series is dead and gone, who is to blame? not enough sales or the devs for having SE like expectations? is it harada?
>>719496792Again its not just about the price but the constant stream of advertising for whatever they're trying to upsell you on
Any time I've tried to get into a fighting game, I've quickly reached a point where there seem to be only two matchups: complete newcomers that I defeat effortlessly, and people who are actually good at the game who defeat me effortlessly. Neither of those matchups is fun, and I learn nothing from either of them.
>>719496846>Is that a fucking banner taking up 2% of the lower right hand corner saying a new character is out? UNPLAYABLEOf all the problems modern FGs have, this clocks in extremely low on the list.
>>719496986Tekken Director Harada said there's no interest within Bamco to develop a new title. In order for projects to get off the ground there needs to be at least a big wig or two spearheading the pitch and the previous guy who did that for SC6 (Ohkubo) went to work at Cygames and help promote GBVSR as the new NA CEO.
>>719497259Learning nothing from newbies is reasonable, but how do you not learn anything from people who are better?
>>719496723If you even read into anything about the whole ordeal of Soulcalibur 6 you'd know why they're not making another entry. Do your homework
You guys are remedial yolo mashing bums that couldnt get a round of me in a real street fighter game
I don't like what has happened to GG so i don't play strive anymore, and i never liked SF, so now i dont play any fighting game
>>719489345>lose video game>never hang out with friend again Pretty wild, if true. Personally, I never throw games. Even if I stomp a person 1,000 times, I’d rather a genuine contest of skill.
>>719497367There are people who will get counterhit launched 5 times in a row and still not realize they need to not do that.
>>719497425that's great bro but what are you going to brag about when the genre dies?
>>719496986>who is to blame?Higher-ups at Bandai Namco for sure, but exactly who is complicated. We were told explicitly that it needed to sell 1 million to be considered successful, and later told explicitly that it sold 2 million. That's twice as much as it needed, but if other games were selling three times as much as needed, then executives are going to prefer giving those games the money that could have gone to Soulcalibur.As for Harada, he is a higher-up at Bandai Namco. And if you read between the lines when he's spoken about Soulcalibur, it's evident that he's used his position of power to prioritize funds for Tekken over Soulcalibur. Whether that was because it was a good business decision, or because he's playing favourites for his own series, we can't say for certain.
>>719487542The only reason fighting games exist is so you can flex how good you are at fighting games. Unfortunately no one except people who are into fighting games give a shit how good you are at fighting games. With little extrinsic reason and no intrinsic reason to play they are games with little appeal.
>>719487542Fighting games are gay and only enjoy by people like you OP. A very specific type of person that obsesses over internet men. Faggot.
idk if anyone has said this but i think another reason why learning FGs can be tough is that theres no real quick and brainless way of learning.for fps games you can run whatever aimlabs program and just sit there for an hour shooting shit and even if its not actually doing anything most people will FEEL like its actually helping.when you hit the labs you cant really just sit there pushing buttons and expect to come out better you have to actually come in with something in mind you want to learn.plus i feel like the best way to learn a FG is being actively coached by a better player and in what i feel like is the most antisocial era not alot of people want to do that.
Some games require more dedication than others, why do people bother with that? Imagine a bunch of fags complaining that it takes too long to improve at chess.
>>719487542That's why people unnironically play shit like the Naruto games,cause despite being a fighting game is more of a SP game where you play the anime instead
>>719497978chess is a game people respect. fighting games are not.
>>719489345The only time I ever sandbag is Smash Bros since who gives a fuck we're just playing for the wacky stages and goofy shit. Any other game I'll either do my best or wash you a couple times before choosing other characters I'm not quite as good with to even things out.>isn't that sandbagging too?Far as I'm concerned I'm establishing that I play the game and am aware it's not going to be fun for others if I'm kicking their ass every round and since my friends are more casual than me they don't really notice. So long as they get some wins they're happy.
>>719498060It has a pretty good solo content, which MK also used to have and those sell pretty good too, could quality single player content that important?
>>719498060I've seen people get down on some Naruto at meets. There used to be a few lounges around town that would host and it was like this one friend group would always go and play Ultimate Ninja Storm
>>719494261We vibin'
>>719497791You mean when the internet and humanity dies?There's always going to be a fighting game population. Even if Japan somehow gets written out of existence the old games are still there to be played because, and you might never understand this in your oh so very short life; people enjoy playing videogames.
>>719494261KINO
>>719497367Presumably because I don't really understand fighting games in general well enough to analyze what the opponent is doing or what I could be doing better. I can understand what someone is doing if they're performing at a level somewhere near my own, but if they're vastly superior to me I can't really follow why things are playing out the way they are, and have nowhere near the skill level required to even think of imitating anything the opponent is doing.
>>719489345is this pasta, I swear I've read this before
>>719494404>Fighting games are an amazing self reflection/growth toollmao>look at literally any top player of any FG>endless screeching and crying about tiers, baby rage fits, whining and shitting on the game
>>719494898/v/ btfoyou could copy paste this reply into any future thread about fighting games
>>719494898This is the most bitter pill to swallow when it comes to almost any game that's remotely competitive.
>>719497904You can still button mash with friends
>>719497967Most modern fighters have detailed tutorials and videos online covering basics and advanced techniques. When it comes to it, grinding fundamentals just takes awhile for muscle memory to click
>>719492584Starcraft and AoE 2 are about as different as CS vs Overwatch, RTS died because the entire genre had like 5 games that aren't complete garbageSC2 esports are dominated by zoomers btw
>>719487542For me, it's aesthetics and art style. I simply hate the nigger tier character designs and overall art style of most fighting games like SF and Tekken. The only one I genuinely like is Soulcalibur and I still prefer medieval slashers.
>>719492861You play the game you fucking idiot. There's a 15 year old from central america traveling the world playing against people 20 years older than him in Street Fighter and winning. You're concerned about grown ass adults from the 1990s when there's kids born post 2010 that can kick your ass in any fighting game you pick.All that matters is how YOU feel. Just you. Who gives a fuck that Daigo still plays? You're never going to face him or 99% of the people you see on streams unless that's literally your goal. If it's not then just play the game and have fun with it.
the initial wall is high but once you've broken it you can get into subsequent fighting games much easier, because a lot of the concepts carry over, even between 2d and 3d fighters.
Fighting games are fun when they're new and you're having fun just seeing what cool moves each character can do and the thrill of pulling off combos.Then you reach the point where you are good enough that nobody you know will play with you anymore. You win every match and the only way your friends have any fun at all is if you handicap yourself which isn't really fun for them or you. So you decide to play online. This is where you hit the great filter that makes 90% of people in your shoes quit the game. The online matchmaking scene is dominated by hyper-competitive meta gaming. It's not just about learning the characters and their moves, and learning to read opponents, it's about learning the nitty gritty mechanics of the game. It's about invincibility frames, hitboxes, animation cancels, and weird glitches and unintended interactions that can be abused opportunistically or strategically. The character you pick is no longer about personal preference, it's about who is best able to exploit the things I mentioned to guarantee an overall positive win/loss ratio. You still tell yourself you're having fun, but really it's a sunk-cost fallacy. You put hours and hours into mastering these tricks and exploits to increase your win percentage and you don't want to admit it was for nothing and you're not really enjoying it. The dopamine you get from winning is smaller each time, but you cling to that as proof that what you're doing is satisfying. Most people don't bother with this. The juice is not worth the squeeze. A lot of people who play fighting games competitively will insist they're content, or happy, but I've yet to see a competitive fighting game player who is a good sport. They're prone to tantrums and rage quitting as a general rule, because it was their ego that pushed them into this in the first place, and their ego is the only thing keeping them invested. They stake so much of themselves on every match, it is hard to imagine them happy.
>>719487542fighting games will never have mass appeal because the core gameplay contradicts their surface appeal. casuals come in wanting to play fighting games because they want to do cool shit like in shonen battle anime and kung fu films, only to find out that to win they have to first learn a bunch of nerd shit like long button combos and frame data autism
>>719488616>he took 2 years to just barely make challenger in 5 rolesMien Nigger... people have played day fucking one and have not reached Diamond. Challenger with five champs is fucking impressive because it proves he's not a one trick.
>>719498981Stop looking at SF6If you look at literally any SF iteration between SFII and SFV and can't stop thinking about "muh blacks" that's a (You) problem.
If you are new to FGs and starting at a late age, there is a huge time investment required and results are never guaranteed. No one wants to spend 2000 hours only to find themselves mediocre at best after all their efforts. You can easily judge if you have what it takes for fighting games in the first 50 hours of playing. So most people quit in their first 50 hours to not end up like that. I don't understand why FG pros have extremely hateful and condescending attitudes towards those people.
>>719498204Yes cause not everyone likes to sweat in multiplayer and just wants to chillWhich is where the ninja storm series comes in, has very simple controls, you only press 3 buttons realistically and even though it's a fighting game, it does a pretty good job masking it,like if you play the SP campaign you basically play the anime and they always do objectives like >use the special jutsuWhich is very cinematic and where they put most of the budget, so people forget it's supposed to be a fight game when they are seeing Sasuke using his perfect form Susanoo with black flames Chidori
I'm a shitter, but I don't see anyone who's above average as a "sweat".>dude I just play for fun (I want to win)
>>719499209I dunno about you but I've played in a 10 bar laggy connection against a top player and he didn't ragequit at all even when I took one game off him after several losses. Humble top players do exist
ITT: Scrubquotes goldmine
I play league with friends 2 years ago and I also started playing fighting games last year. For my money, league is much harder to learn. There are a shitton of variables that can impede your ability to effectively learn the game. Even if you are able to correctly identify where things went wrong, games last 25-40 minutes, so being able to implement what you learned, or at least thought you learned, takes a longass time too. Meanwhile, if I eat shit by pressing into Bryan when I shouldn't have, the game will zoom in and make a loud ass noise as if to say "hey retard, don't do that". And then I can go into practice mode and look at frame data to see what I can punish with what, and what moves I shouldn't just throw out willy nilly. I'm not locked in a doomed game for the next half hour, I can go next in a matter of minutes.
>>719500094You bring up a good point. imho the primary motivator for quitting games is the feeling that your input ceases to have any impact on the result. Sometimes in fighting games, that can happen, but if you look at your replays and frame data and stuff, you can learn pretty easily where you're going wrong and adapt. In MOBAs, you can't easily do that because of how many factors are at play, not to mention how many of them are outside of your immediate control, or the fact that if you're in a doomed game you still have to sit there for ten times as long as a fighting game.
>>719493456Wouldn't matter when most fighting games have less than 1000 active players at any given time.SF is the only active one, and that's still considered dead if put up against other competitive genres.
>>719500094you forgot League is also a team based game so you have to account for others toolearning a fighting game or any single player/1v1 game, as long as you're a normal person, it's infinitely easier. I'd also say much more fun, because again in MOBAs you're usually chained down by bad teammates, in fighting games when you lose you know it's 100% your fault
>>719496424d00ds not like this...
>>719500316Fuck off zoomie.
>>719496436rejoice; motionless specials
>>719500316the purpose of video games is recreation, not farming twitch clips against randoms for ad revenue
>>719487542fighting games are just glorified guessing gamesif i wanted to play a guessing game i can just play pokerin poker i can earn moneyin fighting games your biggest reward is beating some neet who plays 10 hours everyday
>>719496436I have good news for you:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w1u44ST64Q
>>719488287It's way different.Shooting people in game is intuitive, you can get good pretty quick if you are just naturally good plus shooting is a thing IRL whereas fighting game doesn't translate to IRL aiming skill or anything, maybe if they made VR wiifit motion tracker fighting games
>>719500554You don't play fighting games OR poker, please shut the fuck up.
>>719500667tekken had that at arcades
>>719500669go and play with your mixups and special meterslittle bitch
>>719500765I will.Meanwhile you will continue spouting random bullshit about things you know nothing about. Stupid faggot.
playing fighting games makes you gay
>>719500806fighting games mind games are just guessing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV45gH8yazoyou are a moron
>>719500667Just to be sure I'm reading this post correctly: are you saying skill in shooting games would translate into real life shooting in a meaningful way?
>>719500790SEOUL JOBGUY
>>719488287but RTS is dead too
>>719490813Quake is for old faggots and requires no skill
>>719495048>>719493432>>719490264weird interaction
Who is the STRONGEST?
>>719500949Of course it's something you are parroting from a YouTuber and not based on your own experience lmao>Dix centered videoLMAO
>>719500995arena shooters like quake are even more deadalmost nobody plays quake live or quake champions
>>719491071Nah, I have under 900 hours in my chosen FG and I destroy and bully my rival who has 2k hours in it.
>>719487542It's not about having to spend 3000 hours. It's about what waits you at the end of that 3000 hour investment.And what exactly does wait there? That's right, a tense ZERO SUM GAME which will cause you more stress than positive emotions for your time. Even if you have infinite free time, this is probably one of the last things in existence to waste it on.
>>719501028yeah there is no guessing is old street fighter games right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eH-NRPZwm0
>>719501167>>719491071modern games also are made in a way that you cannot have infinite advantage over your opponentyeah a pro will beat you 99% of the times, but it's not 100% unlike older games where yeah he literally has to troll to lose
>>719501248>he keeps posting more YouTube videos.
>>719501237this is true of all competitive games
The lack of single player content is what is killing modern fightan. I can easily spend hundreds of hours playing Budokai 3 or Soul Calibur 3 on PS2
>>719501380I don't care about single player content.
>>719487542At first I thought it to be really cool to see this guy pick a modern Guile and reach masters relatively quick while making so many seethe and piss their pants, but after watching him play and seeing him make zero attempts to learn the game while one and done every match and crying just like DSP and LTG, I realized hes actually a massive humongous faggot unironically.
>>719488427Better than any fighterslop.
>>719501410>genre is fucking deadYeah, it shows.
>>719501313tell me what is wrong with the videos?Every fighting game makes you make educated guesses all the time, and this can be a great way to show your knowledge of the game or the matchup to force your opponent to change strategy. There's a billion characters out there who force some sort of 50/50 be it high/low, left/right, or strike/throw and it usually up to good defenders to show they can guess properly by covering their bases and picking smart guesses to make or show their opponent that they know the way out, then it's on the offence to show there's more layers to their strategy and change how they structure things creating a sort of dialogue where both parties are showcasing what they know and changing their strategy to the individual their fighting.
>>719487542I don’t have the rhythm to combo 3 jabs in a row. Is there any fighting game I can play?
>>719487542Nobody plays fighting games because of how infmaous crapcom is.They have single-handedly ruined an entire fucking genre that only giga autists and spergs enjoy.
>>719501548divekick
There are less broad mid-levels in fighting games now as games remain contingent on killing in two-three hits but doing so entails converting into your memorized lazy DDR minigame now, widening the higher level by making the ability to melt life bars off a stray hit more accessible, and keeping the lower level about the same of noobs who just mash, squeezing the middle, so now it's harder for mediocre players to disillusion themselves into thinking they're skilled and reducing their motivation to play. There was always being two-touched or even less, but establishing counter-play yielded more result as pokes and standalone special moves, at least done successively, could still do considerable damage. That seems to be less and less the case as time goes on as now everything leads to a combo, even your anti-airs, and to offset their damage, their individual components do fuckall by themselves. I know combos are a relatively small part of being genuinely good but are nonetheless crucial, otherwise you're making yourself take far more interactions to win for no real good reason and just playing objectively poor.
>>719501345The difference is that you don't have to waste literal hundreds of hours just to start playing most of them properly.
>>719493927>>719494261Boring as fuck not being able to close gaps fr fr
>>719501745>wastetime enjoyed is not time wasted lil bro
>>719501380anyone who cared about single player content in fighting games moved on to character action games or soulslikes, which are straight upgrades to any solo content a fighter has ever done
>>719501745>literal hundreds of hoursFriendly reminder that it literally, LITERALLY doesn't matter how simple, braindead and superficial modern fighting games become, this kind of retarded parroted argument is eternal.
>>719501589>but doing so entails converting into your memorized lazy DDR minigame nowYou never played fighting games and it shows
>>719501886>character action gamesdumbest name everthis genre deserves to be dead
There's no way he doesn't cycle
>>719492861You are right, no one can beat Daigo, he wins all the championships and no one can beat him because he is still improving to this day almost every day
>>719501237why are you niggers such faggots? keep crying bro lmao.
>>719501745define properly. I have thousands of hours in cs and still suck at it.
what are we playing today bros
>>719492861yea stay out faggot youre a cuck alright
>>719502204nothing
>>719501548Samurai Shodown. Also most games nowadays don't have frame perfect input window and can be buffered to do repetitive moves or even normals into specials.
>>719502243typical /v faggot
>>719501237>It's about what waits you at the end of that 3000 hour investment.you can end up like daigo umeharaa drunk idiot who keeps shilling crapcom games because he has nothing else in his life
>>719501893I don't know why you take offense to this. Just enjoy your game - that anon is just giving you reason why a lot of people don't want to play online, I don't think he's saying he wants the genre to change for him
>>719502350>makes a comfy living playing video games I say he’s pretty well off bro, weird for you to hate on the dude since hes chill af and never gave any reason to be hated.
>>719502116You need about 5 minutes to fully understand the entirety of your controls and what's going in cs.How long does it take to get a full grasp of schizophrenic crime against ergonomics that is fighting game controls to the level of anything you can do coming out as easily as anything you can do in cs?
>>719487542Its because its autistic. If you get super into the competitive side for a fighting game, you are an autist.
>>719502534if you press the punch button, your character will do a punch
>>719502390It doesn't bother me that -he- thinks shit like that, it bothers me that developers cater to people like him and they keep watering down and bastardizing things in order to do so because the end result is shit like "Street Fighter" 6 or "Tekken" 8
>>719502467i hate crapcom shills
>>719501897The dude who kills in two or three touches beats the guy who doesn't and those two or three touches' potency are determined by the player's ability to convert them into more than just the one hit, with there being far more open routes in many games now compared to before. This is a completely inoffensive if not bland observation and I find it odd that you would be triggered enough to call bullshit on it or something, even though it's true.
fighting games are easy you just hit buttons
>>719502534why didnt you play DNF duel or Gran Blue Vs then bro? those games have easy as fuck inputs, cant get any easier than that. Where the fuck where you to help keep those games alive you nigger? Where?!
>>719502604not him but you are rightbamco should just give up on tekken and kill the franchise once and for all
>>719502631>crapcomyea I know bro you /v faggots hate anything that isnt chink coomer gatcha scams and unreal engine sloppa.
>>719502104You are not entitled to anyone playing a mostly dead video game genre for low functioning autistics and blacks with you, and screeching insults won't change that.
>>719500960VR shooting games would
>>719502390probably because he's skirting around the simple fact that he doesn't want to "waste" time learning how to play a videogame, when it's easier than everno instant gratification? waste of time
>>719501380Problem is, even if you want to use singleplayer to learn the game the way AI works in these games actually makes you worse vs real people. Largely the AI will just input read and you start developing bad habits due to this because the AI never catches it or input reads certain attacks incorrectly.
>>719502814>entitled nigger no one cares, stay out faggot lmao
>>719502808fuck you and fuck crapcom>>719502808>unreal enginethe RE engine sucks
>>719502901video games as a vehicle for self improvement is retarded
>>719502814Only retard zoomies call fighting games "le dead" because they compare them to whatever trash is doing the highest numbers on Twitch or whatever the fuck they use as a metric
>>719502942k man still having a blast playing SF6 dough
>>719487761OnlyFangs introduced me to him and got me to see that he's smarter than he looks and sounds.
>>719502815Not him but for me in VR I stopped closing one eye to shoot and at range I did the same thing and my aim massively improved.
>>719502963>video games as a vehicle for self improvement is retardedyeahfighting games playes are beyond delusional
>>719503024i dont carego to hell with crapcoom
>>719502963>>719503131Explain how it's wrong
>>719503131do you never seek to improve on the games you play? what do you do then just role play in your head while moving the character around? I can see why fighting games arent for you then.
>>719503194its just an stupid videogame
>>719491071>lose against everyone who puts in more time than you>win against everyone who puts in less time than youThis is not how it works. If it was then there would be no bad players who have lots of hours played, but there are. New players can pretty quickly catch up to average players if they know how to practice and have half a brain.
>>719503251That's it?That's the argument?
>>719503194they're glorified toys
>>719503190thats cool bro not everything is for everyone so what fighting games you like?
>>719503286yes
>>719502738>easy as fuck inputsThe very idea of "fighting game inputs" is an ergonomic abomination by its very concept. Something that came out of the primordial soup at the very beginning of video games as medium alongside with many other weird things that died off shortly as the medium organically established itself. I have no idea how this particular shit is still alive, apparently only due to time invested into it by some critical mass of people. If it would be completely erased from reality and everyone's memory, and then someone comes up with it again, the only reaction will be "lmao wtf" and then oblivion. It's a dead that will not propagate with future generations.
>>719503293yea they are fun huh?
>>719502912I don't want to play vs real people.
>>719503331Imagine typing this shit in response to the idea of a quarter circle forward input.
>>719503194Explain how it's right
>>719503312thats none of your businessdont talk to me again
>>719488769>souls combatWhat the fuck does that even mean given context to Nidhogg?
>>719503331not gonna read your shit opinion bro guess you dont play any fighting games at all then yea I figured as much lmao
>>719503194it's wrong because the idea of improving at something is foreign to your average /v/ user
>>719487542>Why fighting games are so hard to get into?
>>719503240>do you never seek to improve on the games you play?nope
Is it feasible to play and enjoy a fighting game much like you would do any other genre (fps / sports, etc.) casually? not bothering about training mode and learning just by playing?
>>719487542Because they feel unintuitive, doing weird inputs just to do a burning kick isn't cool.When it comes to high skill floor games I'd rather play a RTS instead, they feel a lot more natural
>>719503426I can see how a mentally weak buck broken lil bitch like you can despise fighting video games lol
>>719502350doesn't daigo have a dayjob?and if he doesn't anymore, I'd imagine he's making a good enough living off of sponsors
>>719503406Hand-eye coordinationPattern recognition Reaction timeDisciplineTolerance to frustrationEmotional regulationSocial skillsAll things you can develop if you play fighting games competitively, and that have direct benefits in daily life as well.
>>719503538he can literally stream at any time he wants and have over 1k viewers easyand has been like that for a long time
>>719503604>Social skillskek
>>719487542The entire concept of fighting games is just completely boring and uninteresting. It doesn't matter how easy or approachable they become, they will never be popular.
>>719503538>doesn't daigo have a dayjob?he did but he quit>>719503538>I'd imagine he's making a good enough living off of sponsorsyeah i guess being a crapcom slave is a good life
>>719489345people who sandbag are faggots
>>719494261100 MINDGAMES PER SECOND
>>719503394Can you logically explain why shit like this needs to exist, other than severe limitations of old peripherals?
>>719488427based yomihustleGAWD
>>719487542Because PvP means you will slam your head into more skilled, talented and/or experienced people and most likely have a bad time and not get time to learn shit before your character is KO'd and the match is over, and no Training Room does not help with that. The FGC is old as fuck now and even if they jump to "New" the fundamentals tend to be the same so the have an easier translation then a new player to that new game.The "easiest" Fighting games to get into is the ones that also have a substantial Single Player reason to play them where the Casual Newbie gets eased into stuff. That is a big reason why people slobbered over Smash (Muh Party game aside), Adventure Mode/Subspace/World of Light/Event Matches/Spirits/Smash Run was there for the PvEfags to dip their toes in and get used to the mechanics before casually engaging with. For fucks sake i don't think we need to pretend even half the faggots into Smash who Rosterfag all day every day are into it Competitively, but they are still "Into Smash".TL;DR: Shitters gonna shit.
>>719503510I never played training mode or labbed and I still managed to hit masters in sf6 casually. You can learn by playing if you're not retarded (picking up on bad habits the other player is making / force them into doing mistakes you want) but its easier to read what other people have done and tell you straight up the cheat sheet of your character.it doesn't matter what they do / the matchup % if you kill them faster than they do to kill you.
>>719503658>you can't develop social skills while socializing with people...OK?>>719503718They are fun and satisfying to do.They are part of the balancing since stronger moves tend to have slightly more complicated inputs.
>>719503510yeah you can button mash through arcade modes on normal difficulty in pretty much every modern fighter. Mortal Kombat has basically grown an entire casual fanbase solely off its wealth of single player content.
>>719503718just play modern bro
>>719496731When you say "most" you mean most of the fgc, which is already a tiny fraction of the gaming peoples of the world. *MOST* people as in, people with money who could buy your game, are not going to spend hours of their day almost every day "learning" 2 or 3 characters out of a game they paid $60 for. They expect more enjoyment in shorter time spans than that.So you want fighting games to cater to just the tiny niche that is "I only play one game" lifers? Well you need to hope Capcom and Namco and Arc figure out how to make games MUCH cheaper because without the hyper casuals (and I mean HYPER casuals, to the FGC anyone with less than 5000 hours is a casual) your game series is unsustainable. The monetisation and advertising is offputting to everyone, that's why SF5/6 and Tekken7/8 are still rounding errors on the profit/loss sheets despite the enormous (and I mean ENORMOUS) marketing effort put out on them just to get the players they have.
>>719487542>70$ + multiple 10-20$ DLC>control scheme is pretty much exclusive to fighting games so just getting your character to do what you want takes ages>massive player drop off unless its a big 3 series entry>player drop off only leaves the sweatiest of sweats so the learning curve is worse >virtually 0 other kinds of content besides 1v1 fights with real playersits just not really worth it to get into.
>>719487542You're all a bunch of shitter casuals with ego problems that can't stand losing, that's why. You also all assume that your random low rank online opponent has 9 thousand hours in the game when he's actually new and learning, like you.
>>719492861retard, if you actually put effort into learning the game, you can defeat random people online. You're not getting matched against pros.
Why would anyone want to spend dozens of hours of training so you can get the bare minimum skills to enjoy a hobby? Playing 100 hours of getting corner raped by a tryhard online and grinding combos on training mode is not even a little bit fun if you're no masochistic, if you have to work / study and have a limited time for fun, why would you spend it on something that's only going to start being fun after months of practice?
>>719495227Same, shame most co op games are garbage and my faggot ass friends are obsessed with losing at League of Legends
>>719487969I have seen one video where tyler speaks about fighting games, so I assume its this one. In a nutshell>The core fighting base is mostly sweatlords with years of experience that will mop the floor with your face if you are a newcomer>You will mostly lose online, and people cant cope with that. Also fighting games are 1v1 so saltfags cant share the blame load like they do in team based games>Executing combos with classic controls while making split-second decisions is an alien concept for Tyler. This is why he plays modern>Fighting theory also feels like mathematics with all these numbers and symbols>SF6, and fighting games in general, are lousy at helping you understand the character you play.
>>719503926nah, they're just boring. I lose all the time in fps games, but I play them because they're more fun.
>>719504096this is trueshooters are just more engaging
>>719503802>They are fun and satisfying to do.As long as you forget how arbitrary and nonsensical it is maybe.>They are part of the balancing since stronger moves tend to have slightly more complicated inputs.Maybe developers should invest into actual balance of what's going on within the game itself lmao.The layer of controls between the player and the game should be as thin and unobstructive as possible. Forcing the player to struggle against it instead is an absurdity, some ugly parody of a very important part of a video game. This is THE reason why nobody plays this genre, in particularly younger generations who are free of investments into old shit and have everything in the medium to choose from.
>>719503872Hyper casuals already don't play these games and haven't for 15 years, and it's not because of DLC. Most casuals treated these games like makeshift action games using single player modes. There is not a dearth of action games anymore, and so that audience doesn't need to cope with shitty fighting game single player story modes. SF6 has a bunch of single player content, nobody gives a shit because that audience has long left. Nobody is going to pay 40 dollars to dick around in world tour when they could be playing fucking eldin ring.
>>719504301OK retard.
>>719504096what games do you play, just curious, i can't find a good "current" fps to play
>>719504089At least he put more hours into a game than most of /v/ lol
>>719503483Filthy casual
>>719504089Also>Fighting games have an initial learning curve. A gamer who is unfamiliar with fighting games, can't just pick up a fighting game and instantly hop in online. Unlike fps where you just shoot and unlike mobas where you point and click, people need to familiarise themselves with the fighting controls first in order to start playing fighting games. Surprisingly, lots of people get filtered by that
>>719504056it's not taking anyone dozens of hours to learn how to special cancel crouch jab or crouch kick into hadouken. any brand new player who insists on not leaving training until they can optimally punish 100% of the time is dooming themselves to failure.
>>719504396not him but quake live
>>719504414oh no am not a hardcore GAYmerwhat am i gonna do?
I cannot stand retards bickering over inputs when the real issue is and always will be the knowledge barrier of frame data, which in of itself is a near unlearnable concept for a truly disappointing amount of people.
>>719504301the games have been simplified so much calling the controls unintuitive is insane, now days you just need to press 2 buttons to do a special and stuff like that
>>719504396I play The Finals, Counter Strike and CoD (because it's the only game my friends play)
>>719489345Do people really just put on a facade of being new to a game instead of simply telling their friends that they have experience?
>>719504397Yeah, he actually managed to reach master with modern guile. I know that the master title in sf6 doesnt mean anything other than you know how to play this goddamned fighting game, but he managed to get thereIt's commendable but not respectable, since SF6 is the most retarded SF game to date and almost everyone can reach master if they are willing to grind.
>>719487542Not a good genre. make fighting games slower and they would be more approachable for most people
>0 lobbiesyou are all frauds and non players
>>719487969>despite each game being 'new' SF6 isnt a new game. Its still Street Fighter so people whove been sweatlords for decades are going to be all over the place.>Youll never catch up so why bother statrting now>games are poorly designed where infinite unbreakable combos are common and you can get absolutely destroyed for even one minor mistake>the most imbalanced genre on the planet. If you like a certain F tier character you'll lose because they have easy to exploit weaknesses the devs refuse to close up because it ruins the identity of the character so stagnation is common>online is terrible since new players have to either spend weeks doing practice and bot matches to learn mix ups or just get destroyed because rankings are terrible way to do 1v1>unlike games like cod or bf you dont have other more experienced players there to help you win while you learn>pay for dlc rosterWhy would any sane person jump into any fighting game ever now
>>719504962>SF6 isnt a new game. Its still Street FighterIt's notThat's its biggest problem actually.
>>719504962>despite each game being 'new' SF6 isnt a new game. Its still Street Fighter so people whove been sweatlords for decades are going to be all over the place.kek slime rush is a completely different gameif it was actually street fighter than tyler wouldn't have gone past gold probably
Too expensive. I don't want to pay 40 dollars for a game I'll play once, get my ass kicked in and never play again. They should be priced the same as other meme pvp games or just make them free. They have enough micro transactions to pull it off.
>>719504957fuck off bitch you didn't offer lobbies either
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>>719504547Go to reddit
>>719487542Fighting games are peak couch games with friends, but as soon as you've aged out of that you should just let it rot; it's just misery after that.
>>719504937Not really. The problem with fighters is experience with that particular matchup is so impactful it can override a huge skill gap, so no matter how good most people get they will forever get curb stomped by people who play the game religiously. Oh you don’t know the frame data of every move, you don’t know the exact range to stand at for every move offensively and defensively, you don’t recognize every combo as it starts, and you can’t predict what they’re going to do because you’ve played 100 instead of 10,000 hours? Get absolutely fucked, loser. It’s an inescapable part of the genre and the only solution is to make it not a fighting game anymore but say a platform fighter.
>>719493482If anything players new to the genre end up with a home-turf advantage if they autistically grind out a game because they lean in on the systems better than someone who has to fight years of muscle memory and decision making under different ones. Old players have the advantage generally in reading opponents and adapting to pressure, not fully abusing whatever gimmicks the game offers.
>>719505567but 4chan is full of casuals
>>719505740>If anything players new to the genre end up with a home-turf advantage if they autistically grind out a game because they lean in on the systems better than someone who has to fight years of muscle memory and decision making under different ones.actually truesometimes you hear of players screaming "aaaahhhhh bad habit from X" and it's REALLY hard to remove
>>719487542The difficult part is enjoying doing the same thing over and over again, when there are now options for forever games with much more variety.
>>719505980>when there are now options for forever games with much more variety.my dude, some people keep playing CS to this day
>>719487542>dude with tens of thousands of hours in LoL tells you why hundreds of hours to get good at fightan games is bad.
>>719506023Some people are braindamaged..your point?
>>719487542>Why fighting games are so hard to get into?Because zoomers have the attention span of a goldfish.Fighting games take time to learn the attacks. And each character has their own unique attacks. At this point, they are mostly just move spammers. Good enough to beat half the AI on normal.Then they need time to learn how to fight the AI. Once they master that, they are still scrubs since good players don't fight like the AI.Then they need more time to learn to fight actual players and adjust their strat as they go along.It takes a lot of time to git gud. This is why lots of people quit before they are good. It's just too time consuming. Fighting games will never be as popular as other games because of this.
>>719505980>when there are now options for forever games with much more variety.Such as...?
>>719506321>It takes a lot of time to git gudso does in every other popular game
>>719487542welcome to ranked where you get fuck by the point system to keep you chains enjoy the cuck chair
>>719504962>>Youll never catch up so why bother statrting nowThe whole "many years of experience" thing is nonsense. That's not how humans work. The greatest SF6 player was better than you after he played for 50 hours. No matter if you have 10k hours played or not.
>>719487542It's not just that fgs take time to get intoIt's more that nobody fucking knows or is able to properly explain how you even get good at fgsSure you can learn your combos, that's a simple to understand, if a bit boring thing that you just need to memorize and practice. But beyond that? How the fuck do you get better at the "fundamentals", at "neutral game", or at "rushdown"? I spent over a hundred hours actually trying to get better at fgs and I still can't beat my mostly mashing friends without just picking a character I can do combos with and simply out-damaging them in my turns of lucky hits.
I spent like 8 years barely playing fighting games because I was focused on my business. Only played very casually, not practicing seriously like I used to do. Now that things are finally stable and comfortable in my life, I'm going to get serious about fighting games again.
>>719491071Do you think the smartest person in the world is the guy who spent the most time studying too, or does this retardation only apply to video games?
>>719504962A literal 14 year old beat Daigo in a tournament.Not because he's actually better mind you, he did it because modern games are watered down trash PRECISELY to allow new players to fraud out wins from experienced ones.
>>719487542i wanna play anime fighting games but im a complete retard brainlet that cant remember combos that consists of more than like 4 hitsi also cant play 3d fighters cuz the concept of them alone just rattles my brain
>>719506174>hundreds of hours to get good atThat's the issue with fighting games. You don't get good at hundreds of hours, you learn the basics at that point. And god forbid you are trying to swap characters.With something like league, knowing what your character does is like 80% of the battle. In a fighting game, its 50%, if you don't know your matchups, and you don't know how to block enemy combo strings, you are just a dead man walking. So the "basics" of fighting game play is requiring to memorize a good portion of moves from every single character in the game.
>>719487542I've never played online, but I stopped playing fighting games years ago since they make me rage easily.The thing I always struggled with was learning how to play predictively, my brain just can't do it.
>>719506809you still think fighting games are like they were 20 years ago
>>719506548nta, but its not nonsense. There are some things in fighting games that cant be taught mechanically, but can only be learned by actual field experience. Biggest example is baiting, or know where to go all in or wait it out
>>719495021>why is it that these people feel entitledThe issue is fighting games being close to dead.
>>719506778>fighting games are easy ackhtually>but if you play the easy ones you're fraudcan't win
>>719493447>/vt/cuckEvery single FUCKING time, I swear.
>>719487761QRD?
>>719507849about the dent? nothing, his cranium is like that, and so is many people's, it's normal and geneticshowever ofc they did all the headphones dent memes about it
>>719507498You're right, it's BS. There's no way you're going to impress everyone or make everyone happy. Somebody's going to call you a scrub every step of the way, no matter how much you play. Unless you win EVO or something, but even then some other top players will shit on you. The only way you win is not caring what people think and just playing fighting games because you have fun doing it. Above all else, high level players put in countless hours playing and practicing simply because they like playing fighting games a ton. Don't play to prove anything to people or out of spite. If you're not internally motivated to keep going, there's no point.
How come I don't hear half of this cope about RTS games?
>>719507967>The "streamer skull" is healthy and normal, trust me famalamO-ok Anon...
>>719487542>game requires dozens of hours of practice for noobs to be able to play and do basic stuff>even once the noobs do basic stuff they just got bodied by anyone better than them so much that they might aswell not play the gamejee, sure is a mystery bwo
>>719508086*That's without touching the topic of modern fighting game design, which people have valid reasons to argue about. I'm just saying don't let other people's opinions of you or what you play hold you back. If you like playing fighting games, keep doing it.
>>719508147there's no way for a headband to dent the skull like that, you're crazy
>>719508096Because hardly anyone plays pvp in RTS.
>>719508096because you can play RTS games casuallyyou can't play fighting games casually without getting your ass kicked all the time, making them unfun
Best fighting games to start with if I just want to main sexy girls with big boobs and lolis?
>>719508260>you can't play fighting games casually without getting your ass kicked all the time, making them unfunYou can if you play against other people playing casually.
>>719508096because that genre is genuinely ded
>>719508213>He doesnt knowNGMI desudesu
>>719508096RTS games don't have anime girls and cool songs/animations/characters to attract zoomers, so the only people still playing them are those who started three decades ago
>>719508096>>719508216>>719508338I'm old and was practically in a coma for years. Do people really not play Starcraft anymore?
>>719508313blazbluearcana heartmeltykarnovs revenge
>>719508447STOP IT
I do play fighting games. Just only single player and with friends in person.But that of course won't impact an online community in any way.
>>719508313>>719508619Arcana Heart was first to come to mind
>>719488427So checkers > chess?
>>719508765Depends on your tastes.
>>719487542Tyler's mistake is trying to pick up guile first that's a 1500 hour character minimum. You need aleast 1000 hours playing characters that makes sense and getting a grip on the game feel before you can start yo learn him
>Play SF vs CPU>Get mad I can barely pull the moves>One day get a custom controller meant to play emulators>Play SF with it for shits and giggles>Actually pull the moves with consistency now>Play ladder>Win>Have fun with basic bitch shotoI was 30 years old when I notice the problem is that the stock controller of every console sucks fucking shit for fighting games. I never wanted to invest on an arcade stick thinking I would have the same luck.Also holy shit I thought the Xbox dpad was garbage but Nintendo's D-pad is somehow worse.
>want to play more anime fighting games because cute characters>retarded levels of execution required vs traditional ones
>>719508931I used to use Sega Saturn pads, but I switched to Hori Fighting Commander OCTA. Liking it a lot, highly recommended if you play on pad.
>>719509040Not every game is +R
>>719509040Every game is +R
>>719509040One game is +R
>>719487761>>719487542Gamerdent thread
>>719509040No game is +R
>>719507498>>fighting games are easy ackhtuallyPoint me to the part where I said that.
>>719487542Lol fighting games once again aren't hard to play at all its just the genre itself is boring af to play people play cs dota valorant league of legends deadlock all games that has more players on it then all fighting games combined and those games are much harder to play then most fighting games the reason people play those games over the slop genre is the fun factor is much higher then playing a 2d side scroller the genre should have died with arcades your a monkey if you play it still in 2025 going into 2026
>>719501028>>719501313If he didn't post any examples you would just call him a coping shitter, be honest with yourself anon.
>>719508313Samurai Shodown (2019)
>>719487542The reason people don't play fighting games is because they're boring.
>>719487542Sage
>>719487542Bump
>>719508931several recent evo champions are pad users, you're coping it's just a simple matter of disciplining yourself and repetition which most kids are incapable of these days and want instant results, that's the sad truth, we're just backsliding
>>719509593I have absolutely zero interest in the parroted opinions of someone who doesn't actually play fighting games.He could have explained the point in his own words. He didn't because he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
>>719487542>>719504962https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGh4ZU4H5Hk
>>719509873i did>>719501452
>>719487542For me it's because there isn't a character I actually want to play as, both aesthetically AND fighting style. It's bad enough I'm a complete shitter who is also retarded (literally as in I have a delayed reaction time compared to average people), but it's even more disappointing when there is no one I want to even play as. Nothing about the genre is for me, and I wouldn't want to change it just so suit my own tastes. I have much more fun watching matches than ever playing them.
Fighting games are the prime example of a "surrogate activity". The power process involved in a fighting game is so obviously fake and leads to no fulfillment to the average person. They understand this intuitively without even knowing what a surrogate activity is or Ted K's ideology. I don't even agree that all surrogate activities are necessarily a waste but fighting games are the ultimate example of how they are fucked.
>>719508313gbvs
>>719510447>cero B fantasy>censored fantasyyikes!
The thing is fighting games are fairly unintuitive. There's a shit ton of information that those games won't teach you about. You either find out hundreds of games later, or you look it up and be equally confused until you encounter/use it enough that you understand it. For most other genres everything is laid out for you apart from very specific things that often have to do more with the game engine rather than the actual game design.
>>719510381I understand saying this about a singular game, but about the whole genre?
>>719509148Son of a bitch, I could had gotten this one instead.So in topic, because I was browsing controllers.Is it true that some fag called Hax invented a leverless controller and was never credited for it? Because I have seen 10 of those.Also the guy killed himself, right?
>>719510430No more than Chess or any other hobby that doesn't improve you physically
>>719510740My aesthetic choices are the nichest of nichest there is, and the only way I would ever get what I want is if I made it myself. I'm also retarded, and have no interest in making a fighting game and garnering the audience that makes up it constantly screaming at me 24/7 in bold impact size 88 font because my animations would be horrifically jank just trying it.So yes, none out of the entire genre. I'm an outsider looking in.
>>719510774Much more than chess. Chess has social value, fighting games do not.
Didn't realize /v/ was so full of niggers. Oh wait I forgot about what the hack a few months ago revealed about this place. Y'all finna' carry on now.
>>719511000>what are locals
>>719509778I don't know man. For me I found a controller that was good for me.Discouraging players and tell the to follow comp players is gay, you are gay anon, possibly retarded and brown.I mean at one point your faggotry will lead you to scream GIT GUD into the void with no answer.
>>719511000Fighting games have just as much, if not more, social value in today's world. Video games are like the most popular hobby in the world now. Fighting game players are also more fun people to hang out with than Chess players, on average.
>>719511046>>719511081Social value as in social capital. Not irrelevant things like socializing. Being good at chess makes you better than other people, being good at fighting games arguably does the opposite
>>719511046This nigga living in the early 2000s.
>>719511156I still play local evety weekend, dumb zoomie
>>719511149>Being good at chess makes you better than other peopleHow do you figure? Not in any real way, you're just saying it gets you respect. But it only gets you respect in a very limited and mostly useless way, the social capital is a meaningless benefit unless you're a grand master or something. Also choosing your hobbies based on "social capital" rather than your personal enjoyment is a pretty sad way to live.
>>719511081>fighting game players are more fun to hang out with than chess playersmaybe I'm not the one to post this because I don't know many chess players, but good lord would the average mood dragger in the FGC ruin this statistic if you knew them. This could also have to do with me not going to locals, which I'm sure has better people than the type I'm thinking of.
>>719511317But the argument was that fighting games were equivalent to chess when they're not because people respect chess. It's largely vapid but it's still true
>>719511331I mean yeah there's plenty of mood draggers/assholes in the FGC, but most people are actually pretty cool. Depends on where you live of course, but everybody I've met offline has been friendly (except for that one dude who slammed his quarters on the machine and had a reputation for throwing fits at people).>>719511504Yeah they're not totally equivalent, I know what you mean. Chess has cultural weight due to its history. But I feel like it's mostly older people who actually give a damn about Chess players now.
Why don't fighting game players just fight people in real life? you would get more respect and look less gay.
>>719511313Ah, still playing fighting games at the drugstore? How is the weather in brazil this season?
>>719487542Something like an online shooter or racing game has a "safe" way to learn as you are rarely dead last and can work your way up the polls, whereas fighters just give you solid undeniable Ls.
comparing a subgenre of a videogame to chess on a videogame board is so hilariously disingenuous lmaochess mogs this entire board
>>719511931>zoomie is LITERALLY incapable of comprehending the concept of offline playkek
>>719511317>Also choosing your hobbies based on "social capital" rather than your personal enjoyment is a pretty sad way to live.You somehow managed to burn the entire playerbase of CS2.>>719511331I knew this dude who was into fighting games namely SNK and Dragon Ball FIghterZ and we ended up cutting the dude from the group because he knew we barely played the game and would combo us to death and get really annoying, bear in mind we could kick his ass so instead we stopped inviting him to anything until he got the message.Fighting games are a good way to get people to drop you, they are a shit genre.Comp fags need to get the dildo off their ass, accept games are not a real sport and developers need to appeal to the masses and not the one faggot in this thread who think he is hot shit because he still watches people on twitch play Melee and SF3, get some REAL friends.
>>719511753>mostly older people who actually give a damn about Chess players now.ha ha hadelusional mothefuckerchess is more popular than every fighting game combined
if tyler1 stuck to variety and stopped with league of legends he'd be top 3 streamershis single player game playthroughs are kino
>>719512139BROWNDon't let the stray dogs bite you Raul.
>>719511753>But I feel like it's mostly older people who actually give a damn about Chess players now.I think covid literally made chess as popular as it has ever been. It's like an entire esport now.
>>719512287the EWC showed everyone how popular chess actually is
>>719511902Because the whities portion would break every bone in their body just throwing a punch at the air and the darkies portion are insecure Uncle Toms who get worse woopin's from they mamas.
>>719493343>all you need to do is disrupt their rhythm>T. Meruem
>>719511902and also get permanent brain damage but I guess you get that from fighting games to
>>719512205It is essentially a Quentin meme.People still think Chess requires ingenuity.No one thinks fighting game players are cool.I mean SonicFox and Leffen are a good argument against competitive play.
>>719512203>cut someone out of your friend group because they are better than you at somethingWhat a bunch of spiteful little bitches holy shit lmao
>>719512072Counter point chess is boring.You want to play casually.Memorize 6 opening moves and the top 10 strategies used in championships.That is all.RTS take way more skill.The issue is that while fighting games require skill, they require time and it is wasted time.Fighting games are only fun when a game is fresh and there is a vast player population, so even your flowchart ken can top.1 on 1 vs some asshole with a triple chin or a tranny with nothing better to do sucks.
>>719487542He named his kid "Saiyler" tho
>>719512753>Memorize 6 opening moves and the top 10 strategies used in championships.chess is not that easyEveryone would be a grandmaster if memorizing openings was all it took to become a good player.
>>719512203>I knew this dude who was into fighting games namely SNK and Dragon Ball FIghterZ and we ended up cutting the dude from the group because he knew we barely played the game and would combo us to death and get really annoying, bear in mind we could kick his ass I'm sure this sounded less psychotic in your head before you started typing it.
>>719512203>we ended up cutting the dude from the group because he knew we barely played the game and would combo us to death and get really annoying>bear in mind we could kick his assLMAO
>>719512623Touched a nerve there, huh?Well the thing is that being good at pressing colored keys like a chimp does not make you better than anyone nor give you a pass at being an asshole.It is a videogame with no real value in the real world.You are the example of the quintessential shitter.You are no EVO champion.But you get your jollies beating people who you know have less game time than you and then you boast about it, then complain why everyone ghosts you. What a pathetic little shit.
>>719513063Did you take your ball and go home when someone scored on you too?
>>719513013For casual play you don't need much.Just the basic moves and know the most decent opening moves which aren't that many in the initial board.
>>719513063>Lose a single match>Project your own insecurities on some dude who beat you fair and square/v/ = the most sensitive females when it comes to fighting games.
>>719513215>casual playif you want a challenge then play an open tournamentyou will play against grandmasters or international masters
It's pretty funny how /v/ calls the genre too hard then turns around and call fighting game players dumb niggers to still feel superior. Just shows why you shouldn't respect any take from this place.
>>719513576>and call fighting game players dumbpunk exists and he is an evo championdeal with it
the kid who almost won the last major sf6 tournament was born the same year left4dead2 came out
>>719513659Deal with what? The point is you're obviously inferior to those dumb niggers.
I don't get why people act like fighting games are some mystical bullshit which take thousands of years to go online and play.
>>719513576>too hardIt's time consuming and you have to make the call between playing something else or being good at this one genre and everyone complains that the playerbase is nasty.Like in the literal sense>brown>misc asians>pinoy>smelly>pant shitters>actual diaper fags>furriesFighting games have too many things going against it.They are fun but the playerbase is unhinged.You can tell everyone is fucking mad all the time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocAwgcQIHkThat said it is an endless source of fun just having a laugh at people who take this shit seriously.
>>719513821punk is a dumbass just like youfighting games are just boringshut up
>>719513982>describes the typical 4chan poster
video games are made primarily as a form of entertainment and are built to provide immediate gratificationcompetitive games take many hours of practice to get good at, like most skill-based hobbiesmost people are not looking into playing video games for that kind of thing
>>719513982>it takes up too much time and the fanbase is a bunch of dumb browns>4chan is ok though because...uh....
>>719514168Well this is the FCG thread.
>>719514250>most people are not looking into playing video games for that kind of thingyeah they prefer physical sports like basketball or football
>>719514315that's the other thingyou realize it and a normal person would go "wait, why don't I just work on something cooler than this"
>>719513659Lol wow he won evo a shitty tournament with no prestige call me when he wins a TI Cs major worlds or something thats actually respectable and not a 5k tournament
>>719514281>FCG
>>719514256Fair point.
>>719514370>D-Doesn't count!
>>719514370CS tournaments aren't called "worlds".Poser.
>>719514380I was tempted to say KFC because this thread if full of blacks.So I will leave it at Fighting Coon General
>>719514370How many have you won in your 40 years playing? None, like at all?How embarrassing someone that young can kick your ass at your favorite hobby. I would hand the controller bro.
>>719514505>I am le heckin le edgy le racistSorry pal, reddit is two blocks down
You gays are boring.Post funnyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjcz1KUXGZM
>>719514451i meant Cs major and or worlds if you didnt understood that i meant league worlds i cant help you with that
>>719514671>I totes mcgoats meant [other thing]Nah
>>719514620Of course you would know the way.Anyways.I am looking for a fun fighting game where I can be retarded and have fun spamming stupid moves like in this video?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbpXplP_WFEAny game of the sort that still sees play? I was eyeballing Guilty Gear.Is Faust a good character?
>>719514824>redditor plays tranime games
>>719514905I care so little about your opinion you charcoal nigger that I forgot what got you butthurt.Okay ape escape.Recommend me a fun fighting game so I can make you mad online there too
>>719515136>I care so little>respondslmao redditor is insecure
>We unironically have LTG wannabes in this threadThe guy threatening real life violence in response to one of my posts is less pathetic than this. Holy shit.
>>719515230>Gorilla nigger is so mad he won't let it go and talk vidyaGo ahead have the last the word, I would not want to STEAL the privilege from you.LOL, bet you count DCs as wins too.
>>719515618PULL UP AND CATCH THE FADE BRO
>>719487542fighting games are also the only genre where boomers destroy zoomers in competition
>>719496424>he hasn't went back
>>719515997The EVO champ is 15.
>Best melee player in the world>Invents a new type of controller >Has his invention stolen and his named dragged through the dirt>Attempts An Hero>Fails>Dies horribly>Relatives could not get afford the casket>Shitter who harrassed him and mounted a hate campaign against him faced no consequencesFGC bros I thought your faggy hobby rewarded skill? Explain this.
>>719516331Your first line is wrong so not reading the rest.Why do 4tranners pretend to care about faggots like themselves only after they kill themselves and not before?
>>719516331>smash>fighting gamepick one
>>719516331>>719505089
>>719516440>>719516462>>719516492>resorting to bullying to get rid of better players is okay because it just is okayNigger community.Nigger mentality.
>>719516741Hey answer >>719516440
>>719487542Hard 1v1 competitive games aren't popular. People don't want to compete 1v1 and then lose while having no excuse, needing to come to terms with the fact that they played worse than the other dude. You can see this in 1v1 RTS too, very few people play compared to other games. Even within RTS itself, it seems to me that team games are far more popular and that makes sense.In addition to that I think fighting games are also of limited appeal due to how tiny and focused their gameplay scope is. All you do is move back and forth in a small 2D arena while fighting the opponent. That's it. That's the whole game. It's not easy but the whole game is incredibly restricted. If you look even at other competitive games they're usually significantly more broad than that.
