The last one in V3 is still retarded.

fuck off danganautists
go back to >>>/trash/
>fuck off danganautists
>go back to >>>/trash/

v3 6 has been so atrociously bad that it completely ruined the franchise
it was pure concentrated seethe from the author permanently poisoning the well with le audience is bad

The case in 2 with the nurse and the loli was some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen.

>>719793951
1-3, easily.

>>719794394
3-6 was the only good last case in the trilogy. The other games were just a repetitive "Hope! Despair!" shouting match.

From each game? For the record I do not count chapter 6 of any of the games since those are more about wrapping up the story and not about a killing.
1-3: the most retarded plan in all of the cases
2-3: lol despair disease
3-4 or 3-5: it's a toss up on if you think everyone going along with Miu's bullshit is worse than Kokichi's plan to ruin the killing game and Shuichi's obliviousness to it until it's too late and he already solved the whole thing

The one with the different sized mallets, it was so obvious who did it

>>719793951
Every third case.

>>719793951
Third case of the second game. Easily.

>>719793951
2-4 is boring and retarded

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The objective worst case in the entire franchise is 3-1, since it objectively lies to you.
3-5 is probably the 2nd worst since it's the most contrived and pointless if you think about it. If Kibou didn't get hit by some stray rock, literally everything that happened in the game would have been for nothing.
Really each of V3's has some serious flaws.
1-3 is the worst trial in 1, but it gets too much flak.
2-3 is pretty bad too, but I'd have the worst trials of V3 over it.

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>>719794851
SILENCE!

Aoi's sweaty donut in my face, NOW

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>>719793951
It's every chapter 3, but whilst 1-3 and 2-3 are just flat out bad, 3-3 actively pisses me off. I don't care if the Internet loves the "xD seesaw" shit, I hate it.

It is the ultimate blue balls chapter. It taunts you with all this shit that will turn the game on it's head and offer interesting new spins. Monokuma loses control of the game, someone will be revived but we don't know which of the four dead it will be yet, there's a locked room mystery which is always engaging, there ISN'T two deaths for once... until there is, but THEN it hints that there's maybe two killers which would be a big twist as we could end up with the killer in our midst, and they even briefly tease a shock third murder of the rival character to really turn things on its head.

And then nope. It's just the same fucking shit it always is: The hot topic character does a personality 180 and goes full retard by doing a double murder that can only be tied to them when they kill off the comic relief and the character going through a far more interesting character arc who is treated as an afterthought in their own murder trial. None of the other fresh stuff teased happens goes anywhere, and it's all discarded in "comedic" ways which aren't satisfying: Monokuma just reclaims control with no issue before the trial even starts, nobody is brought back from the dead, there is no second killer, Temu Nagito survives to continue repeating those same rival beats, and even the interesting and challenging perfect locked room murder is just brushed aside to focus on the contrived meme one as they can't be bothered to make players solve the actual real puzzle this chapter.

Fuck 3-3 so fucking hard. Even the execution is the worst in the game.

>>719798001
3-1 would be great if there was a NG+ path where you could control the outcome of it based on the knowledge you learn from the first playthrough, opening up a whole new harder route. But it isn't like that so you're right, it's a case which just flat out lies to you.

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It's been too long since I've played them, so convince me where I'm wrong

>>719800890
>Even the execution is the worst in the game.
Cmon it was hilarious. Kiyo gets boiled and then they exorcise his spirit with salt, this is peak Danganronpa.

>>719793951
2-4

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>>719802194
1-3 isn't as bad as people make it out to be. 99% of everything that went wrong was because Hifumi was a dumbass but Celeste was forced to work with him. She even acknowledged that the Mech shit was stupid. It's not a crime for a character in a story to be dumb and the trial has a lot going on in it besides the stupid stuff. Don't get me wrong, it's the weakest trial of 1, but I think it's not fair to treat it on par with the other CH3 trials.

3-1 is objectively unsolvable within the context of the Case for all the wrong reasons. 3-5 is only slightly better since the characters acknowledge Kokichi's plan and still go through with solving the trial when his entire plan was to make it IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLVE.
2-6 I love to death, but it's the literal definition of deus ex machina.
1-1 is a pretty great trial which only weakness is that it's somewhat simplistic, but it is an intro trial anyways.
It's been a while, but how was 2-2 bad? I remember it being a decent trial. Really everything in 1 and 2 besides 2-3 is at least decent.

>>719804161
>It's been a while, but how was 2-2 bad?
People will complain about Octagon or On The Meat Bone. But the actual bullshit leap of logic answer in the game is 2-2's Swimsuit.

>>719804480
I do remember that.

GRAVEL IS NOT THAT HARD

>>719804480
I was completely and utterly filtered by the gravel. I spent a good 20 minutes trying to think on how the case could've happened because I couldn't fathom the aquarium would have fuck huge pieces of gravel in it.

>>719796625
>Third case of the second game. Easily.
it was a good case, at least until that raped bitch admitted to her crime and the motive was.... she was under brainwashing that shit was cheating it was went against eveything the trails stands for
and make the case even worse then execution was a wet fart

now 3-5 was the worst for me, did not give a shit about that little edgy faggot or his retarded reddit tier ''masterplan''

>>719804161
There's only a certain level of stupidity I can tolerate before a case goes from acceptable to bad writing.
>celeste decides to use an accomplice even though that can only complicate things
In a vacuum this could have been fine if she realized while executing the rest of her plan that it wasn't going to work out, she could have bailed and left Hifumi as the only killer. She would have to deal with everyone else knowing she tried to kill someone since that would come out during the trial, but it's better than going down with the ship. But no, she went all in.
>robo justice
Keep in mind that this all occurs within a single night. Celeste shares just as much blame as Hifumi for how dumb that was because either she was with him while he was designing the suit and went along with it even though she could have argued against it, or she fucked off and let Hifumi take care of it which is extremely negligent on her part.
>her actions in the morning
"I broke the nighttime rule I established because I felt like it even though I've pointed out how that's gotten people killed," "I'm the only living person who saw Robo Justice so you'll just have to take my word for how threatening he is," "I'm going to take a very active role in the lead up to discovering the corpses and suddenly care about people dying despite not giving a shit one way or the other for the previous two cases."
>framing hiro
Props to trying to frame someone who could very easily be framed, but she also chose to frame the one person in the group who is more likely than not too stupid to commit murder.
She doesn't even have the excuse that Mikan or Korekiyo had of being crazy, this was a calculated attempt to get away with murder from her.

Can we just write our own new take on Danganronpa

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Anyone who doesn't say 3-3 is trolling.

>>719808251
>In a vacuum this could have been fine if she realized.....
Celeste had to kill soon. She couldn't wait since Byakuya admitted he was planning a murder and Toko revealed she was a serial killer. Every day she postponed was a day that she was another day she might never wake up.
I mean Byakuya moved around a dead body just to trick people. He's clearly not screwing around.
Then you also have to consider that Celeste is a small girl who can't actually overpower anyone. She can't really kill anyone and the last time a girl tried it ended up backfiring. It was now or never, and without Hifumi, it would just her alone. Most of the cast besides Sakura and Aoi and I suppose Makoto and Kyoko don't really trust each other.
>Celeste shares just as much blame as Hifumi for how dumb that was.....
She has to placate him or he might reveal too much. Part of Hifumi killing first was that he couldn't back out of helping her, but the same also applies to her since Hifumi knows too much and would become another liability if she can't keep him happy (And the only reason why he is helping is because he already hated Taka over AE, and now Celeste's lie about him raping her emboldens him to retaliate. Hifumi would never act against anyone else). And remember, time is of the essence. ANother night spent working on the plan is another night she might not wake up at all. And without Hifumi, she's as good as dead. Do you think she worked with him on a whim?
>"I broke the nighttime rule I established because I felt like it even though I've pointed out how that's gotten people killed," "I'm the only living person who saw Robo Justice so you'll....
It doesn't make any sense for two killers to work with each other, and the cast doesn't know everything about the school so RJ could be a third party.
>Props to trying to frame someone who could very easily be framed...
I mean you can feign ignorance and it's not like there is a lot of options. Then there's the name.

>>719809536
This was fucking kino

Which Danganronpa characters's deaths were least deserved?

For an English-speaking audience, 1-1. Which is a shame because otherwise it's pretty great.
>>719809536
This is kino.

>>719810908
I really just accidentally typed "Characters's". I'm gonna cry

>>719793951
1-3 and 2-3.
>>719795073
Retard.
>>719800890
>Even the execution is the worst in the game.
It's actually Mikan's execution.
>>719809536
Korekiyo was truly based in this case. He offed two the most annoying characters in this game.

>>>/vg/537719679

>>719793951
2-3. Shit trial, shit killer, shit execution.

>>719811527
I can forgive the motive and killer, but Mikan somehow doing all the shit she did in such a short amount of time and without being seen is one of the biggest leaps in logic in the series, also I'm kinda disappointed Hiyoko was robbed of potential character growth but ah well

>>719810908
Kaede obviously

One of the things that annoyed me the most about 1-3 is that they clearly established there’s no reason for anyone to work together, then they have someone go and work together

Also that shit with the mallets was just stupid

>>719809536
It's so dumb. He accidentally does the perfect crime to then do the dumbest crime by sheer autism. I get there's plot reasons he acts retarded, but that doesn't stop it being retarded

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>>719793951
>>719795971
I thought this case was fun but didn't bother thinking about the mallets. I repeatedly made mistakes during the final deduction.

>>719810908
>DR1
Chihiro did nothing wrong, was aiming to improve himself, and was a clutch team member even in death thanks to A.E. And he was killed because Mondo has small dick energy.
>DR2
Chiaki almost by default seeing as she's the only one who even died, and even if the others HAD died, Chiaki is the only one with no innocent blood on her hands.
>Despair Girls
Aoi's Brother. The kids were shit at explaining the rules of the game, and it's all to introduce a mechanic that is literally never brought up in the story again. Nothing would have changed in the story if there were no bomb collars.
>3
Seiko. Was constantly a victim thanks to Hopefag ruining her life for no reason and the candy bitch being a braindead retard, dies scared, alone and unloved despite being one of the only members of the group with anything resembling a useful talent.
>V3
Kaede. Very literally cheated out of the game because the mastermind is so fucking awful at her job she has to fake the crime scene. Hung for a crime she did not actually commit.

>>719810231
>>719810951
The case is solved before the class trial even starts, hell it's basically solved before the investigation even starts.
It should have been 1 minute long with Shuichi going
>ok so we all agree it's Korekiyo right
And then they move on

>>719809675
>celeste had to kill soon
She really didn't. If time was of the essence she would have been the first to kill, second if she didn't want to be the first to draw blood. She was motivated by the money, simple as that.
>can't actually overpower anyone
She used chloroform or some equivalent to knock Hiro out. Overpowering someone doesn't matter, knock the person out and stab them.
>placate hifumi
You're making a lot of assumptions on what happened off screen in her favor. What we know is that she asked him to make something that would hide the face and body size. That's it. Nowhere is it stated that she had to meet him halfway on anything about the plan.
>another night spent working on the plan is another night she might not wake up at all
Considering that the locks on their doors can't be picked she's pretty fucking safe staying holed up in her room at night. In fact she's the only person to kill during the day in the first game.
>it doesn't make sense for two killers to work with each other and they don't know everything about the school
That has nothing to do with what I said. She's acting so out of character from how she usually is that anyone with a functioning brain can see she's pulling the strings to the whole operation.
>not like there's a lot of options
>kill hiro, frame hifumi or taka
There's an option.
>kill hifumi or taka, frame the living one or hiro
Another option.

Yes

Anyone in this thread played Project: Eden's Garden?

>>719793951
>the worst
1-3
1-5
2-3
2-4
>the best
1-2
2-1
2-2
2-5
3-1
3-2
3-4

>>719814846
>1-5
"She's a g-g-g-ghost" wasn't THAT bad, it's just a dumb moment that is quickly forgotten about.

are there any cases that are better in the anime?

>>719815343
DR1's anime adaptation has the same cases as the first game, just with less dialog expectedly. DR3 doesn't have traditional cases since it has no trials.

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I don't know.

>>719815527
>Kotoko is the most popular UDG character
Their hard drives. Check all of them. Right now.

>>719815527
>Kyoko
>Nagito
>Kokichi

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>>719793951
I agree with >>719800890's analysis of 3-3 being a horribly unsatisfying series of rugpulls, but I personally hated 2-3 more. At least the locked room mystery part of 3-3 was pretty clever; the ONLY redeeming quality I can think of for 2-3 is that the second body discovery genuinely shocked me, which was mostly just because I went in blind and wasn't expecting them to retread the exact same double murder shtick from the first game
I remember also despising 2-6 because it had the gall to bring back the most insufferable villain I've ever seen in a video game, but it at least had a few cool bits sprinkled in between the obnoxious "MUH DESPAIR" monologues

>>719804161
The plan wasn't necessarily to make 3-5 impossible to solve, it was to trip up Monokuma into picking the wrong person as the blackened.

>>719804161
>2-6 I love to death, but it's the literal definition of deus ex machina.
>IT'S A SIMULATION LITERAL WAR CRIMINALS ARE ALIVE AND LOOK THEY HAVE A BEACH PARTY
I despise DR2's ending and DR3.

>>719793951
All of the third cases as well as 3-5

>>719818872
Yeah but kaito just randomly gives up on the plan and it makes no sense whatsoever

>>719813404
>She really didn't. If time was of the essence she would have been the first to kill, second if she didn't want to be the first to draw blood. She was motivated by the money, simple as that.
The money was clearly another motivation, but clearly not the only thing. It's different factors. Wanting to leave, the money, the threat of being another victim, as well as being trapped in a creepy school for the rest of your days.
It was only the case after CH2. That's when Byakuya and Genocide Jack revealed themselves giving her a psuedo time limit.
>She used chloroform or some equivalent to knock Hiro out. Overpowering someone doesn't matter, knock the person out and stab them.
Everyone is already on edge, how the heck are you going to get an opportunity like that unless you vastly overpower the individual. Not to mention you also have to count on no one expecting the victim somewhere via dialog. You'd also need some way to avoid being in the same vicinity of the body since if someone sees you on their way to finding the body, it's game over. You might also need to carry the body. it's not just killing, you also have to get away with it.
>You're making a lot of assumptions on what happened off screen in her favor. What we know is that she asked him to make something that would hide the face and body size. That's it. Nowhere is it stated that she had to meet him halfway on anything about the plan.
Not really. Celeste herself mentioned that the Mecha shit wasn't part of the plan but she rolled with it anyways since she was stuck with it.
>Considering that the locks on their doors can't be picked she's pretty fucking safe...
I didn't mean literally, anon. not to mention you are trapped in a school with nothing to do. Someone is going to come up with something, especially since she knows for a fact at least one person admitted to planning a murder.

>That has nothing to do with what I said. She's acting so out of character from how she usually is that anyone with a functioning brain can see she's pulling the strings to the whole operation.
From the hindsight of an audience member, sure. Also, consider that with so many people working against her (Including her accomplice) it's not really surprising that she sticks out like a sore thumb.
Remember, I did say the chapter was the weakest from the start, just that it's nowhere near on par with the other CH3s.
>There's an option.
She already told Hifumi about her plan, so he'd be a liability if she didn't kill him.
>>kill hifumi or taka, frame the living one or hiro
She can't kill anyone, and even if she could, then she'd be alone by herself. It makes perfect sense to team up with Hifumi without the foreknowledge that he'd cock up everything.

>>719818872
Yes, because there is no way to prove who the killer was. The entire premise of the plan was that someone was watching them, including Monokuma.

Yes

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>>719793951
V3-5 took an interesting antagonist character and turned him into Nagito 2.0 by trying to make le big complicated plan. Suddenly his personality shifts to "I actually HATED the killing games and all the terrible things I did were to stop it!". His plot is retarded and he literally comes up with it on the spot somehow. Kaito despite being sick enough to die right after the trial doesn't break once when pretending to be Kokichi for a 3 hour trial.

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>>719821215
Then there's the fact that he destroyed the Exisal key and the Bombs making it impossible for anyone to stop Monokuma ever again.
There's no way he didn't know Kokichi had them yet he destroyed them anyway.
Then Maki tries to get you all killed.
It really made me give up on the game, and I was already down on the gave during the first 3 trials.
I don't see how anyone considers V3 their favorite. A lot of it is just bad even besides the last trial, and sure it may be on purpose but how does that excuse anything.

>>719813404
This
>>719820165
is a continuation of my post.

>>719820092
>psuedo time limit
If that was a factor in her motivation she did a shit job at explaining it. Her explanation reveals she was fed up with the school from day 1 and the money was the tipping factor.
>how the heck are you going to get an opportunity like that unless you vastly overpower the individual
She did get the opportunity. She managed to lure Hiro to the rec room with the note. You are making it seem like such an impossible feat to kill someone in the middle of the night with no one able to notice when she did have the opportunity to do so in her murder plan but chose not to. Even Taka fell for the note, so that's two opportunities. I am not expecting a perfect crime because it's a mystery game so it should be solvable, but there would be a lot less evidence against her if she knocked someone out with chloroform and then killed them while they were unconscious.
>celeste mentioned it wasn't a part of the plan
"I had no idea he'd make something like... that." Sounds a lot like it's Celeste's fault for not giving specific instructions to Hifumi and fucking off while he made it.
>from the hindsight of an audience member, sure
Even during the chase around the school Byakuya is able to pick up that she's acting off. During the trial they point out she's the only one who saw Robo Justice.
>she already told hifumi about her plan
She wasn't forced to use an accomplice, she could have done a solo murder.
>she can't kill anyone
She has access to drugs which can knock a person out. All it takes is to get behind them.

On the simple basis of guessing who the killer is, I'd have to say 1-3. Celeste was so obviously the killer it became painful to wait for the conclusion as everyone just pointed out the obvious.
No, I don't count 1-1 because
1. It was the tutorial level
2. It wasn't meant to be as obvious to a japanese speaking audience.

>>719824695
If you cut 11037 out of 1-1, would it even be all that different?

>>719824782
It would take a bit longer to pin down who the culprit is since there wouldn't be any obvious major clues towards him.

Literal decade later people still want to cum inside of those highschoolers
They should have upgraded to college students so we can get different stories
But well, shows over...

>>719824920
>>719824782
The broken disco ball in the trash compactor makes it clear that Leon being the killer is intentionally supposed to be obvious, even besides the 11037.
But that's because it's obfuscating the actual twist which is that Sayaka was planning to frame your for a murder.

>>719825234
Honestly its just preference but if I rewrote DR I probably would've changed Hopes Peak into being a College. Just feels cooler than a high school, I dunno

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If Monokuma threated to kilI someone unless Makoto stripped completely naked in front of Kyoko, Sayaka and Aoi, would he do it?

>>719793951
the nortubel case

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>comes out in 10 hours
Will you be playing Kodaka's latest not-Danganronpa?

>>719825796
That's awfully specific

>>719809536
I really hate cases like this, because it's so complex that there's so much shit that could go wrong if physics weren't bending to make the narrative work. Like, what if the blade didn't kill her instantly and she was just screaming under there. Or what if the blade snapped or twisted in a way that wasn't fatal. Or the plank didn't have enough leverage to move a full ass human body that hard. Or you fucked up which plank to jump on, or where, or someone saw you jumping on the fucking thing. They're decent puzzles but so out there it turns retarded, like every mystery game that tries to copy Case Closed.

>>719825474
College makes more sense for the shit that Hopes Peak students get up to anyway. It's only high school because of Japanese brain rot.

>>719826259
If the blade narrowly dodged her neck it would've been extremely awkward

>>719825796
yes but he's a talentless manlet so they would probably just act disgusted
>inb4 he has "ultimate luck"
he would be daytrading like Togami

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When did you realize that Trial 4 is the best part of V3?

>>719825920
I will. I don’t know if it’s going to do well considering everything that decided to release today and/or tomorrow but welp.

>>719826640
I loved Oma but his final case and the ending of V3 completely shit the bed with him. Would it have killed them to give him a cool moment after all the hype?

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>>719826640

>>719794394
fpfp (first post filtered post)

>>719826640
trvth nvkichi

>>719826848
does this imply the other students start beating the shit out of him and dismembering him in the middle of the trial

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>>719814846
>3-2
>The whole gimmick is that motive videos are swapped
>Nothing interesting comes out of this.
>The only characters who get their own videos by pure convenience are the one who's backstory we have to keep a secret for plot reasons and the only character who would reasonably try to kill for her motive.
>Kirumi is the only one who doesn't actually remember her motive from her video until she watches it
>Ryoma's motive video having nobody is contradicted by his free time with Kaede where he has a cat (as well as people he trusts enough to take care of him)
>Valuable trial time taken up because Himiko is autistic and can't just explain how the goddamn magic trick works

>>719827470
If Kirumi just left Ryoma's corpse in his research lab instead of pulling off the ropeway bullshit the others wouldn't have been able to figure it out

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>dumbest protagonist of any Kodaka game
>suddenly knows about physics rules like the Archimedes’s Principle when Uchikoshi is writing him
The mystery route was something.

>>719828347
Most of the Hundred Line cast would die before Chapter 4 of a Danganronpa game and then you'd have someone like Gaku who'd be the comic relief that survives to the end

>>719793951
>The bad ending where she fucks all three guys left

Yes

>>719828347
You forgot Komaru

the first case in 3 where they do the protagonist fakeout. it establishes that the game can withhold crucial information from you which kind of ruins the rest of the cases even though its the only time when it happens

>>719828347
So when is the DLC coming? I need retarded Kyoshika mating press now.

How weird is it that I think Mikan is very hot in 2-3 during her meltdown? Not the unhinged rage moments so much as how cold and flat she becomes. I love BPD girls so much

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>>719828802
There's been no confirmation of DLC really coming yet.

>>719828956
Hmm I could have sworn Kodaka talked about wanted to add another 100 routes and something about supporting the game for 10 years but that might have been one of my schizo dreams. Also cute, saving that.

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People shit a lot on 11037 during the very first case but when i played the game for the first time and i reached that part i thought it was a red herring. It got to the point where i was almost pulling my hair out, checking the character bios and trying to find a correlation between the 11037 and their personal info. I was ready to accuse toko based on her blood type and date of birth, i can't even remember how i reached that conclusion

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>>719829104
He did say that, I was thinking an official statement that's it's actually being worked on.

>>719814271
Yes, so far it's Danganronpa if it wasn't terrible but it will probably never be finished

>>719819809
He gave up for multiple reasons
>Monokuma was making it clear that if Shuichi was wrong, it'd be him who gets in shit
>There was enough room for Maki to be labelled as the culprit (story never goes through with that since Kaito gives himself up)
>Kaito was about to die anyways
The plan had basically failed when Shuichi uncovered the truth.

>>719793951
V3-3

>>719829274
“Shit, this really is the end for me… I’m… going to die. I better write down something so they’ll know who killed me… Oh, I know! I’ll write down a clever mix of the killers birthday and blood type! That’ll help them figure it out!”

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>>719829274
You really thought the very first case would be some insanely difficult puzzle?

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>breaks the chapter 3 curse
How did they do it, bros?

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>>719828956
>>719829419
Kyoshika a cutie

>>719829885
NTA but he obviously couldn't work it out you disingenuous nigger, what was the point of this post did it make you feel smart

>>719829893
Kanade’s such an unlikeable bitch I hope she die- oh wait

>>719830016
>he obviously couldn't work it out
he said he thought it was a red herring
So he figured it out and then thought of other explanations.

>>719829893
>kino trial
>retarded killer and motive
Not quite but it's still better than the official ones, I'll give it that

>>719826259
Suspension of Disbelief.
As long as it's plausible and doesn't contradict itself and for the more outlandish happenings if the series itself is supposed to be easy going then I don't see the point in complaining. I mean you already know a show isn't real from the start.
99% of the time a killer IRL is a dumbass who doesn't even bother to cover their face in front of a security camera but that makes for a boring mystery.

>>719829893
truly the magnum opus of fangan cases

>>719793951
3-6 obviously. Awful twist that invalidates all of V3's "plot" before it (everything was a red herring), and the class trial is also horrenduously bloated. Also Tsumugi is honestly a worse mastermind than Delta.
Outside of that, 1-3, 2-3, 3-3, whereas 2-3 takes the crown in shittiness. 3-3 at least has memes and 1-3 is "inoffensively shitty", whereas 2-3 is downright shambolic and also kills off three characters at once that were quite important to the dynamics of the cast.
Honorable mentions go to 2-2 with the horribly retarded serial killer fakeout, and 3-5 for its incredibly transparent attempt at copying 2-5.

>>719829885
Rain Code's very first case ended up being some insane bullshit about a train switching cars around while moving and pretending a dead body is someone else's dead body and then yet another dead body within a matter of minutes.

>>719826640
It contradicts the idea that Kokichi hates killing, since he was the one to put the idea of killing Miu in his head from the start.
Not to mention all he had to do was not go into the virtual world as nothing required him to go in there.
Then Miu planning a murder when she has been shown all game to be a spineless coward also comes out of left field.

>>719829274
>People shit a lot on 11037 during the very first case
They shit on it because they're stupid. 1-1 is DR's version of the Frank Sahwit case from Ace Attorney 1-1.
They outright spoil Leon being the culprit in the Japanese release trailer of Trigger Happy Havoc. It's simply a tutorial.

>>719829776
>>719829885
I was a stupid teenager whwn i played it ok? The game was advertised as a mystery so i thought i would have to deal with some serious bullshit right from the start

>>719830368
They pretty much spoiled Leon’s death in the opening to the game man they didn’t give a fuuuck

>>719828347
>>719828426
Theoretical Hundred Line DR game cast:
>???
The main character.
>Nozomi
HL-1 victim
>Gaku
HL-1 Culprit
Reason: He wanted to LEAVE

>Tsubasa
HL-2 Victim
Reason: Wrong place, wrong time
>Yugamu
HL-2 Culprit
Reason: Same as in canon

>Darumi
HL-3 Fodder Victim #1
>Ima
HL-3 Fodder Victim #2
>Kurara
HL-3 Culprit
Reason: 5000 IQ gambit to escape

>Moko
HL-4 Victim (Obviously)
>Takemaru
HL-4 Culprit
Reason: Something something, needed to happen to benefit everyone else

>Hiruko
HL-5 Victim
>Eito
HL-5 Culprit
Reason: Same as in canon

>Mastermind
Kako

>Survivors
???, Shouma, Takumi, Kyoushika, Tsubasa

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>>719804161
I think the way she gets "caught" is fucking retarded cause she said "like those guys died"? Could've easily meant everyone that's died up until that point. Incredibly weak gotcha

>>719829274
A lot of DR is lost in translation.
Big thing is a lot of the humour. I see a lot of western fans forget the games are primarily comedy in nature.

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>>719827470
>Kokichi knows that Ryoma or Kirumi will likely be the killer or killed because they are the only 2 he doesn't have.
>Ryoma ends up dead.
>Kokichi makes it obvious that he knew Kirumi was the killer from the start ("Wow Kirumi! You would tell the truth, even if it would completely screw you over.")
>HE HATES KILLING BTW. JUST IGNORE THAT HE LET 1 PERSON, POTENTIALLY MORE DIE FOR NOTHING

>>719830595
Perhaps it's iffy translation.

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>>719813179
Seiko's good but least deserved HAS to go to the black dude, "don't witness violence" is such a massive fucking middle finger, dude had NO chance

>>719830972
bro’s design was lowkey kinda racist, he deserved it

>>719830595
It's one of many things that makes more sense in Japanese, wherein she is using particular speech that denotes her referring to current happening, and such casual disregard breaks her established persona.
In effect, it is a truth escaping a lie that are both, themselves, wrapped within a greater lie.

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>>719831109
There was nothin lowkey about it, his design was incredibly racist lmao and then dies first on top of it

>>719831226
Oh I see, that makes much more sense, I guess that can't exactly be replicated in english unless she said something outright incriminating

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>>719831334
Yeah, even the early fan TLs struggled with it and just went for "Died just like them".
NISA went for "Died, just like those guys did", and adding the gender aspect does make more sense.

>>719831492
It "works" in a literal sense, but groups of people, guy or girl get referred to as "guys" all the time

>>719794394
OP said worst, not best

>>719831643
But for how they write Celeste, it doesn't make sense as she wouldn't get that casual with gender.
She'd also never say that more generally, but babysteps.

The real issue with 1-3 is that it's blatantly her the entire time and it cannot not be her.

>>719805772
If 2-3 wasn't so bad, I'd agree with this as the worst.
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>4chan thinks I'm spamming a shitpost with all these replies
2-3 is the worst case, but those reasons aren't even the big deal.
The case was originally meant to be the death of Fuyuhiko instead of Hiyoko. Go back and watch it, it will be obvious that any time any relevant question of Hiyoko's character, mannerisms, or thought process as a personality should have come up like how they try to detective other characters motives and ideas they just didn't. They gave evidence for her death but it was very cut and dry, very unlike Danganronpa to make that a straight path. You could have put anyone in her position and the case would be the same.
It was a hella rushed job, ontop of the fact that it's also another double murder case like 1 and v3 have. Koddaka loves his tropes but this one works to his detriment. But it was a rushed chapter, glossed over, and they didn't even bother to send off one victim well at all.
>>719821215
Be real with me, it didn't take v3-5 for you to realize they were trying to hybridize the jerk of Byakuya and the belligerence and mania of Nagito into one character, did it?

>>719831728
>The real issue with 1-3 is that it's blatantly her the entire time and it cannot not be her.
Yes, absolutely. This is by far the biggest problem with the case.
The one red herring they setup, Hagakure, was so obviously not the real killer. And the game not no real person to be next on the suspicion list other than Celeste.

>>719825796
Considering 1-5, sure he would, but to be fair I would too.

>>719831728
>The real issue with 1-3 is that it's blatantly her the entire time and it cannot not be her.
True, after framing hiro so intensely it loops into him being innocent, there's literally no other option

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>>719825796
What if he made Makoto wear Chihiro's clothes...

>>719830347
I mostly agree
It only takes 1 action, 1 plan, 1 thought that you didn't stop from becoming a killer.
Although I honestly find it on brand for Kokichi to be so irony and lie pilled he doesn't even know what he's doing anymore.

>>719800890
Good post

>>719830586
tbdesu i don't see darumi as anything other than a chapter 1 victim purely because it's funny that a killing game enthusiast is the first to drop

>>719829274
It was made for the Japanese audiances, mixing the numbers with letters is way more plausible.
>>719829776
You say that but remember Hifumi's dying message having a retarded layer of mystery ontop.

>>719829885
v3-1's case was the hardest in the game

>>719827470
>Valuable trial time taken up because Himiko is autistic and can't just explain how the goddamn magic trick works
yeah she puts the based in based retard (and also the retard)

>>719830347
>Then Miu planning a murder when she has been shown all game to be a spineless coward also comes out of left field.
To be fair, her being a coward makes sense with her murder plan having to be in a virtual world where she literally can't be harmed by Kokichi and where her killing someone wouldn't look nearly as realistic or require as much effort

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>>719831967
>>719831861
>>719831728
Is there a game that does "Well obviously it isn't the prime suspect, so we have an uphill battle to prove that not the case" well? Genuinely, I bet there is and I don't remember.

>>719831836
>Be real with me, it didn't take v3-5 for you to realize they were trying to hybridize the jerk of Byakuya and the belligerence and mania of Nagito into one character, did it?
Kokichi worked as his own character up until that point. He was mainly a shitstirrer who fucked with people or tried to make things more chaotic until V3-4 which made him more genuinely evil and psychotic. V3-5 made him way smarter than he should be while simultaneously making his plan make no fucking sense. He should never have been the big brain mastermind behind a plan to end the killing game. He should've just continued being a little shit who makes things harder for everyone.

>>719832703
That's mostly done better in narrative fiction because it's not gamified and more specifically focused on narrative.

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>>719832586
But they're going to blame her since she was the one who forced them to go in the first place.
And why even murder anyone when you have a way to control the exisals.
Why even try when the past 3 people who tried died and got tortured to death.
Why would a spineless coward put themselves through that?
V3 is just bad.

>>719832947
>And why even murder anyone when you have a way to control the exisals.
Monokuma would snitch and say someone found a way to do that, and who would that make the suspect?

>>719832947
>But they're going to blame her since she was the one who forced them to go in the first place.
Well Miu is a retard and the plan was obvious in-universe, that's why Kokichi was able to blatantly tell she was planning to kill him and everyone else figures it out in the first hour of the trial
>And why even murder anyone when you have a way to control the exisals.
Because Miu by this point became retarded and selfish.
>Why even try when the past 3 people who tried died and got tortured to death.
Again, Miu's just retarded and thought she would get away with it. One of her prime character traits is having an ego about her intelligence.
>Why would a spineless coward put themselves through that?
See above.
I still think V3 is a shit game but I think this chapter was relatively fine. The biggest issue I have is that Miu and Keebo's relationship goes nowhere. Miu feels nothing for the fact that she'd be sacrificing Keebo if she went through with this and Keebo feels nothing about Miu dying despite her being his closest friend by far.

>>719830586
iirc Kodaka said in an actual killing game scenario Darumi would just off herself
And would the mastermind be Kako-G or regular

Reminder Miu calls out the correct killer in every case up until her death, she's not a retard

>>719833228
the correct conclusion by wrong methods are dangerous.

>>719833098
This is before murdering anyone. if she can control the exisals, then there's no reason to murder anyone or listen to Monokuma.
>Well Miu is a retard and the plan was obvious in-universe, that's why Kokichi was able to blatantly tell she was planning to kill him and everyone else figures it out in the first hour of the trial
>And why even murder anyone when you have a way to control the exisals.
Because Miu by this point became retarded and selfish.
>Why even try when the past 3 people who tried died and got tortured to death.
Characters being idiotic isn't a crime, but it's not good enough if they are portrayed as competent at least at points, Which Miu was seeing as how she deduced who the killer was in each trial.
Miu also has very low self esteem. Her boastfulness is an act that crumbles the millisecond someone confronts her.
The only justification I can conjure up is she was flashbacked light'd but that's even shittier.
>Miu feels nothing for the fact that she'd be sacrificing Keebo if she went through with this and Keebo feels nothing about Miu dying despite her being his closest friend by far.
Another reason why I feel she was flashback light'd. Her actions make no sense otherwise screwing over everyone.

>>719833225
Kako-G

>>719833618
>>719833126

everyone in danganronpa has brain damage

>>719833618
>Which Miu was seeing as how she deduced who the killer was in each trial.
Right but the gag is that she suspects them for shitty reasons and just gets it right by chance.
>Her boastfulness is an act that crumbles the millisecond someone confronts her.
You're correct, but in my opinion this is shown by her nervousness when confronting Kokichi to kill him even when she made it that he can't harm her in any way.

>>719833860
Well she's speculating. I mean no one besides Kokichi knows exactly how the killer did it until towards the end.
>You're correct, but in my opinion this is shown by her nervousness when confronting Kokichi to kill him even when she made it that he can't harm her in any way.
Killing a fool isn't going to be easy for most people.

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>>719793951
2-3 because it arbitrarily killed my wife when that could've affected literally anyone except chiaki and nekomaru. 3-3 was pretty bad too though, kill one character who was getting really good, and ruin another character who was great from the start.
>>719798001
3-1 was so fucking good before that copout though, like why didn't they just have it so that tsumugi put on the music so rantaro couldn't hear the ball falling in time? i mean i guess the question then becomes how do you directly prove that but it's not like you can prove that the ball randomly missed his head either, the fibers are just guesswork. actually the first time i played i thought that would prove it was tsumugi's ball because those were the fibers from the junko wig.
>>719813179
the bomb collars are just there to explain why omaru can't just escape, although honestly that wasn't really necessary.
>>719831836
he's not really like that at all, he just comes off like it. if anything he's more like kyoko and chiaki combined, what with being secretive as fuck but also uniting the gang (but in his case against him rather than with him). also the big thing with nagito was his retarded schizo idealism, but kokichi is always pretty realist.

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V3-3 is conflicting. On one hand baiting people with the two killer rule and then not committing with Korekiyo is gay as fuck. On the other hand, Korekiyo making the perfect locked room mystery and ruining it because he really wanted to do his seesaw plan is fucking hilarious.

>>719831836
>The case was originally meant to be the death of Fuyuhiko instead of Hiyoko.
I see this spread a lot but no one ever sources it. Basically feels like an urban legend. I remember looking once in a /drg/ thread a long long time ago and an anon told me that an old artbook/interview thing said the original plan was for Nekomaru to be a chapter 3 victim and for Fuyuhiko to turn into a robot instead. This was years ago though and I'd have to really scavenge through the archives to find the post.

>>719829274
>character bios
Even though 1-5 is pants on head retarded at points, I really liked how the bios can become a clue to figuring out more stuff about the mastermind and the corpse.

>>719793951
Never played but love Danganronpa (started from the anime) and watched them all on Youtube, several times.
How do you guys even remember the order of the trials off hand like this?
I remember how 3-1 lied to the player but that was played as a kind of a joke and thought the player that there're no such things as lies in trials.

If I had to add an opinion I'd say that the last of 3's killed the franchise (kinda vague on the rest of 3's trials tho since I watched it a long time ago).
And the locked room in 1; where Hina does everything in her power to kill everybody out of spite was kinda out of character and dumb; and most of the time in 1 you could figure out the killer from the beginning, looking at the motive (i.e. the case of Celeste tho it was obvious from her behavior, trying to guide the trial) or the crime scene's layout/body's pose and expression (i.e. in the case of Sakura).
Also iirc Sparkling Justice in 2 was kinda dumb of a reveal, also, but had a fine mystery leading up to it ig.
I don't remember anymore T_T

>>719793951
1-3 is so bad because Celeste does the worst fake scream ever and I instantly knew it was her from it.
When you hear it, it's like you can see the script calling for a scream that could sound fake.

>>719838527
It's a story heavy game where each case is its own episode, and each episode results in characters dying off. It's not that hard to remember the order when you're talking about the games.
I think 1-4 is one of the better cases of the first game. Chapter 3 shows that Hina is already starting to really get worn down from the stress of the killing game, and since the first day Sakura was the one person she could fully trust. Then Monokuma reveals that Sakura was a spy for him, and everyone else turns against her. Hina, as her friend, sticks up for Sakura, but tension still rises as Byakuya, Toko, and Hiro grow more suspicious. Sakura decides to kill herself to prevent someone from murdering by removing the thing causing the group to break apart. Receiving the fake suicide note from Monokuma made Hina think she killed herself to put herself out of her misery, and that tipped her over into thinking that everyone should die if their behavior caused her best friend to kill herself.

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>CASE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE KILLER'S "ULTIMATE" TALENT
yep any case that does this is immediately dogshit. 1-1 set the precedent and then kodaka forgets about it most of the time. at least 2-5 remembered to do this very basic thing to be the best part of the series

DR1 is kino in other ways but it feels too basic and obvious when looking back. Every trial besides arguably 2 feels really obvious in hindsight.
>Leon's name is literally spelt out
>Celeste acts completely out of character
>Locked room mystery and poison tends to be a common method of suicide

>>719815648
All of it is filled to the absolute brim with Kotoko being aged up to 17 Years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds.

THOSE SICK FUCKS

>>719795073
It unreal how many people got filtered by v3. A true iq test.

>>719841923
more like a literacy test, like they literally spell it out in the epilogue.

Yes

>>719840180
2 does it for basically all its cases while V3 does it for none of them.

>>719841112
There is no way anyone predicted Aoi's plan in 1-4. It's legitimately well done.

>>719793951
2-3
>lol despair disease
>Kills Hiyoko right when she's about to have character development
>Kills fan-favourites Ibuki and Mikan
>Starts the dumb trend of the third case being a forced double kill for no reason other than because that's what happened in the first game

>>719829893
Amazing trial that is is soured by its ending. The writer liked Kanade way too fucking much. She got away with everything where she should have lost at the one thing that mattered

>>719800890
Extremely solid post
Everything about the case is retarded but god damn based schizo retard Seesawman is a gem.
>why did I commit the extremely unnecessary and convoluted murder scheme which does nothing but screw me over despite having already killed someone?
>because I didn’t want a god-tier prank to go waste obviously!

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which dangan would you ronpapulate the world with?

>>719842625
V3 sort of does it
>no connection for kaede or tsumugi
>no huge connection for kirumi
>korekiyo's entire murder plan revolved around the caged dog ritual which is from his anthropology studies
>miu's plan involved her skills with computers to manipulate the virtual world in her favor, gonta was bugged
>kokichi's plan didn't use his talent

>>719843878
>Agreed
>Do people forget Hiyoko cuts off her own character development after Nekomaru’s sacrifice?
>Welcome to killing games
>V3 doing it a third time is way more egregious

>>719844156
You posted her
>Athletic body
>Fat milkers
>Tomboy with a feminine, motherly streak
>Superhuman swimmer's stamina
>A healthy appetite for feeding your growing fetus
>Can carry around a grown man like it's nothing
>Not TOTALLY retarded like Akane, so no need to worry about your kids being too dumb to live
Asahina is literally built for impregnation

V3 is the game that most zoomers got into so its propped up a lot as babby’s first dangan. For me its objectively the worst game
>cements and repeats a formula where it didn’t need to.
>trials are the opposite of the first game where instead of being too basic, it’s needlessly convoluted and often falls flat on its face
>characters are wasted too easily, or are contradictory specifically because it’s trying to live up to its predecessors
All in all the weakest main entry where Kodaka tried too hard on many fronts instead of coming with something new.

>>719793951
The one about Sakura Ogami dying.

>>719844197
At least 3-3 had seesaw and korekiyo memery to keep things interesting. 2-3 was just idiotic, through and through.

>>719844156
the games themselves literally prove that Asahina is the correct choice. Girl pumped out three kids and still looked great.

>>719839828
>It's not that hard to remember the order when you're talking about the games
Idk. It all just blends together in my head... I remember specifics from each killing, but ordering them out by corresponding numbers, out of the top of my head, is way over my abilities T_T
>I think 1-4 is one of the better cases of the first game
I feel it was obvious she killed herself from the fact she was smiling and the fact that the room was locked. Also I feel it became too convoluted at some points just dragging on until the not surprising reveal that it was a suicide. It was hitting the heartstrings well, tho.
>tipped her over into thinking that everyone should die if their behavior caused her best friend to kill herself
Wanting everyone to die is just stupid and overly malicious, imo, something a killer would do, not something I'd expect Hina doing (even though she was pushed over the edge); as dumb as Byakuya messing with the crime scene cause to him it's just a game (iirc). It's a litteral end-all hail-marry solution that only the truly deranged would choose and both Hina and Byakuya don't quite fit the bill in my eyes; being a happy-go-lucky sweet girl and a cold, calculating young prodigy, respectively.

>>719844156
miu so that her gorgeous girl genius can formulate in other people thus allowing humanity to rebuild much faster

>>719793951
2nd game
I could not fucking understand the mechamaru one. The twisting building was incomprehensible to me and I could not envision it. Had to look up a walkthrough and facepalm.
Then the suicide case, I was flabbergasted, but it ended up being kino.

>>719844156
Tojo and Asahina

>>719793951
The one where you DON'T get to fuck Aoi.
Goddamn this sucks.

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Yes

>>719793951
The final case in DR2
The whole game sucks ass but that ending is a goddamn travesty

>>719810908
Bandai by far

They should've done with Mikan what they later end up doing with Gonta where her disease goes away and she doesn't realize that she's the killer or why she did it

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I really want to get my friends to play through Danganronpa as a group because it'd be funny, but I feel like it's a huge ask. Also, I'm the only one who'd be willing to pilot the playthrough and I vaguely remember the cases.

>>719844472
Call me crazy, but I think it ultimately benefits from being one, giant contrarian shitpost. Danganronpa was never really that good, so there's a certain joy to be had in the uber-meta final game being so stupid (while still having some good characters and moments).

>>719862337
>Danganronpa was never really that good
>littlecaesars.jpg
Stfu zoomer retard.