Gerson!
>>720220801>GYATT GYATT GYATT
>>720220801He was too based for the game, so Toby had to write him out after just one chapter
>>720220801pure unrelenting bed breaking sex
>>720224067that's a grandpa you sick fuck
>>720224215and i'm gonna let that grandpa slamfuck me until my hips are as broken as his should be
>>720224067Based DILF appreciator
>>720220801Nick
>>720220801my hero
>>720220801Happy Chara day, everybody!
>gets given a shard>goes "nah, fuck that shit" and never uses it>lives a long and productive life and dies beloved>even his dust, his literal dead ass corpse comes back as a memory to be a mentor and help save the worldUnfathomably based. He was always free the whole time.
>>720225995 the only correct take in this cursed timeline. gerson was packing soul, wisdom, AND cheeks. true elder god energy.
>>720227248go away, tranny
>>720228980No. Projection.
>>720220801More like gayson, what are his/her pronouns?
>>720229478foxy/grandpa
>>720229478i'm/old
>>720227248Oh, right. Today WOULD be Chara's birthday. Haven't seen much art of her today, though.>>720228980Chara is literally a tranny repellent. Even Deltarune devs almost got canceled by them for just following one artist that drew her too hot.
Expectations for the Undertale 10th anniversary?
>>720230046Newsletter (confirmed)The echo flower thing.Concert.Maybe another character focused letter.Maybe Hard Mode? This one is unlikely.
>>720224067Gerson is straight.
>>720229732Same. Cirno day tends to overshadow it anyway.
>>720231942Touhou and Undertale do share a lot of the same fans.
>>720220801i cant get this shitpost out of my head anytime i see himhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQaF7bh-dWA
>>720232092Suprisingly, yes. Also Chara and Marisa should be revered in this.
>>720232102Holy kino.
>>720232168I literally know nothing of Touhou. Although Temmie did draw Frisk as Reimu before.
>>720232168Sorry, meant Reimu and Marisa should be reversed in this. If only because Frisk being the one protecting the barrier feels wrong.
>>720224067Basedhttps://litter.catbox.moe/f7p8kzd6xmsa7a3w.jpghttps://litter.catbox.moe/y74tpm08hkt6hmdo.jpg
>>720232529Well, Toby himself seems to support Frisk = Reimu. Probably because of protagonism.
>>720232449I won't go into it too much, but let's just say that by most measures Reimu is a pretty incredibly evil and awful person who is at least partially repsonsible for the deahts of hundreds. >>720232738Yeah, but then Toby doesn't give a fuck about Touhou in the first place, at least from a story perspective, considering he likes Ran.
>>720232865Well, like I said. I know nothing of Touhou. I just found the art cute.
>>720233163It is pretty cute. As is a lot of crossover art.
Kino
>>720233758I do like seeing Underrune interacting with other series even if I don't know them.
More like niggerson, lol!
>>720220801>BLYAT BLYAT BLYAT
I love the freedom motif
>>720220801Most based character in deltarune.
old man sex
>>720234469If you don't have it you aren't a real schizo btw.
>>720220801>Necrobumpingwell something good came out of it>>720227248I forgot about this!heh, nice one, happy chara day anon>>720231942>Its also the baka dayhuh... curious
>>720234924Isn't Cirno the STRONGEST like Chara?
>>720234203Same.Can't really think of many good crossovers though. I was reading a few yesterday, pretty much all of them just being "X Character falls into the underground instead of Kris". Though there was a dresden files one that was wild.
>>720235037>Anon receives 999 psychic damageThat... I'll ignore that
>>720220801based
>>720235079*Frisk And yeah, most crossoverslop is that. There was one Omori x Undertale crossover that interested me and I actually read a little. The author weirdly shipped Chara and Basil and had Frisk as I think Sunny's Grandma?
>chara avatarfag spammer immediately shitting up the thread
>>720235338I can see why Toby likes touhou when it's girls are very cute.
>>720235431Why would he say that?
>>720235590Gerson hates jannies.
>>720235590Gerson is the kind of guy to hate tranny jannies. They're all so unearnest, after all.
>>720220801>went away after the titan battle so susies last memory with him would be a good one instead of a goodbye What if he told Ralsei to tell Susie goodbye for him later in a parallel to how he had her write the letter for Alvin
>>720235037>Greetings.>I am Cirno.>Thank you.>You awakened my true power.>My "fairy nature"...>My "Perfect Freeze"...>They were not mine, but YOURS.>At first, I was so confused.>My house was destroyed, wasn't it?>Why was I brought back to life?>...>You.>With your guidance.>I realized the purpose of my reincarnation.>Power.>Together, we eradicated the enemy and became strong.>Lives. Power. Points. Bombs. Items.>Every time a number increases, that feeling...>That's me.>“Cirno.">Now.>Now we have reached the absolute.>There is nothing left for us in Gensokyo.>Let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next.
>>720232865>Radiation fox likes the 9 tails foxAnnoying dog is just a facade, he is still a fox
>>720235527Only on the outside. Inside they are all monsters that make Flowey look like pleasant. That or literally worse than 99% of real women.
>>720235815>T.
>>720235815Holy kino.
>>720235869The ran equivalent in Undertale is pretty much Toriel. Up to and including both being pretty awful parents if you really think about it.
>>720235970Wouldn't stop this fandom. Chara always beats Frisk in lewd polls. Coomers love evil women.
>>720235970Gensokyo is like pic related, with the added advantage that reimu is keeping everyone in check
>>720236160Undertale if monstes were evil.
>>720236078By far, noRan is yukari's pet/vassalChen is ran's pet/vassalYukari is an irresponsible owner just like ran, but here everyone can look for themselvesThe most motherly like figure in touhou might be byakuren, but she is more like a saint
>>720220801erotic black shorts x3
>>720236474Which Undertale characters would fit better with their touhou counterparts?
>>720236104True. Though Chara is more sympathetic than 99% of Touhou characters anyway.
>>720220801his dark world name was never confirmed so he could easily be called Negros Mobo
>>720236160>>720236362A shame she's also keeping the human villagers trapped against their will and they are nigh universally written like saints that make even the monsters in Undertale seem overly violent.>>720236474Ran does genuinly care about Chen. She just spoils her like crazy rather than doing something actually good.
>>720220801>>720236659why is he going about in his boxer briefs anyway
>>720236902negro's moob
>>720236896Chara literally kills billions. How are Touhou girls worse?
Just like their biological father, undertale fans don't have much to say about him
>>720237474>schizo headcanon
>>720237027>The brave humans that live in gensokyoIs a phrase in one of the mangas i thinkWhile its never stated on how the barrier was made it seems that people stayed there willinglyAlso while some youkai eat humans, most don't, danmaku precisely exists to balance things out, to have a nonlethal "fair" duel under very specific rulesFairies get their asses blasted because they just come back to life very quickly, but they are also very careless because of that>>720237474your fapping habits are not related to their evilness
>>720237547>>720237585Chara destroys the world who at least killed all of humanity. Even though (we) led her there, she is the one who decided that was the right action.
>>720236896chara has a boohoo pasta lot of 2hus do too, but in their games everyone is just trigger happy about it instead of highlighting the sad parts
>>720237357He's gay
>>720237746That whole scene is extremely debatable on what it means and to how far it reachesDid chara just erased your connection to the world?>The next scene makes you assume there is nothing left in therestill where are we even talking to chara? frisk's mind? some black room because... Is the world even real within itself? being so self aware?Also some 2hus are very murderousooku wants to make the world a new hell starting from scorching the land and killing everyonejunko wants to kill everyone on the moon
>>720236702Let's see:>FriskAny given outsider mob, really. >TorielOthers disagree but I still think Ran fits. Though, if we can include Deltarune, Kris is probably the best example considering Ran is basically a meat puppet. I would also argue Keine, especially considering both of them are teachers Hell some of the flavor text in her school in my fangame actually references Toriel flavor text.. >NapstablookLunasa Prismriver.>Any of the dogsWolf Tengu. >SansUnironically Reimu. Especially since, much though I often assume the worst, she does probably have a sympathetic reason for what she does. >PapyrusCirno has shades of it, but she lacks any emotional maturity and is genuinly kind of a brat. >Monster KidUh... That one Kitsune girl that appears in the Manga? >Mad DummyMerlin Prismriver. >UndyneThere really isn't anybody with a strong, if somewhat misguided, sense of justice in Touhou. I guess Youmu because both of them are kind of dummies would work though.>Alphys Rikako Asakura. No, you don't know who that is.>MuffetMystia Lorei. Both of them eat people and are also con women. Yamame works as well for obvious reasons.>MettatonKind of has to be Lyrica Prismriver at this point. >AsgoreThe Daitengu, perhaps. Despite Tengu society being the worst he seems decent at least. >FloweyOdd choice but Flandre fits the most personality wise. >Fallen ChildMaribel/Yukari.
>>720237474Because most of them probably kill as many people as you do in a genocide route with not even 1/4 of the justifaction.They would probably blow up the planet as well if they could. They just can't.>>720237585Perfect Cherry Blossom prologue. Either way, that was eons ago, VERY debatable canon, and doesn't really mean anything for most modern villagers. >Also while some youkai eat humans, most don't, danmaku precisely exists to balance things out, to have a nonlethal "fair" duel under very specific rulesHow canon those spelclard rules even still are is pretty hard to say.
>>720237792Some touhou characters do, but most of them are just evil for the sake of it. Youkai are literally genetically inclined to just be petty sociopaths.
>oh great, a deltarune thread!>and with a proper OP, not a bait one>it's touhou shit
>>720238832Nah, it's a Gerson thread with a side of Touhou/humanfag hijacking.
>>720238832There's a yellow thread hidden on the catalogBut yeah the janny's sperging has made finding fun discussion impossibleHopefully the newsletter (SOON!) will reignite discussion. I'm praying for a jan/feb release of chapter 5.
>>720238562its sketchy but there is not that bad i thinkThere are always battles outside the danmaku, like reimu killing the male vampire, main characters abusing weak youkai or the whole fight of the vengeful spirit in the satori manga, but who does that are not the "big girls", but rouge eventsjunko's whole fight is weird since she is supposedly 100% trying to kill reimu but still she is using spell cards to do it, and junko doesn't get herself killed eitherAs for how the human towns were made, we still got nothing no?
>>720238832its 9/9So its crossover day
>>720238832would you have prefered it if it was all lusting after an old man instead
>>720220801Was his battle animation inspired by something? The fact Toby had to do it for Temmie makes me think it isn't, but I thought it looked familiar the moment I saw it, like maybe a koopa in one of the Mario games does it, but I can't find anything.>>720237357It's presumably a subligar.
>>720230194I’m out of the loop on the echo flower thing, qrd?
>>720239089Hopefully next time we get an actual one and stays on-topic. Love this old coot
>>720238647Thanks to how the rules of the barrier work since so much porn has been made out of them they all should perverts by now
>>720239448yes x3
>>720239448yes
>>720238269We are talking to Chara in the void. Chara definitely destroys the world. Not only is that stated, Toby intended for the game files to be deleted.
>>720239196Why is it always the yellowtards whining about muh thread quality? Your threads are filled with actual redditors.
>>720238359Genuinely insightful post.
>>720241770at least the redditors come up with OC (even if it's terrible) instead of avatarfagging with generic human art
>>720224067>>720224303>>720225995>>720232564why are you so fucking disgustingare you a woman?
>>720238832>>720239196I made a thread yesterday about the next newsletter/anniversary but it archived in four posts. This is just what the people want, I guess.
>>720241949>Defending literal subhuman redditorsActual subhuman scum here.
>>720242138the humanfag isn't any better
>>720239512Toby made an website where you could post your memories of Undertale on it. It was themed after echo flowers.
>>720241969Nah, 100% male. Gerson's a QT GDILF.
>>720241969Straight women and particularly homosexual men have tastes identical to each other.
>>720242189There's 3 people posting Undertale humans in this thread in the very least. And at least it's actual Undertale characters posted, not reddit OCs.
>>720239229The whole thing is very vague and nebulous and the manga's total refusal to actually feature any spell card battles do complicatem matters.Nope. PCB prologue is probably at least partially true, but only partially.
>>720242138I'd take them anyday of the week over the same fag spamming shitty chara images.I get it dude you like cunny or whatever but please don't make it your entire personality.
>>720241969You aren't intimidated by an old man are you?https://litter.catbox.moe/y7uz6064g92t0gh8.jpg
>>720241969Women don't like Gerson. They like Sans or Tenna.
>>720242449At least it's good to know the yellowtards are unironical redditors and the threadshitters. Stay in your containment thread.
>>720242480this looks like nortubel
>>720242468>hyperit's garbage
>>720242582They really like drawing Sans off-model.
>>720238562>>720242442Nice headcanon
What were everyone's favorite part of the newer chapters? And how many tries did it take for you to beat each secret boss.
>>720242743You people are really schizophrenic picking fights with several unrelated anons thinking is the one "shitting" on your general(s)
>>720242743>Canon"Youkai only think of themselves".>Not canonYoukai having any redeemable qualities.
>>720242743 >>720243081not meant for you
>>720243081Did you reply to the wrong post?
>>720242959knight took me like 30 attemptsGerson about 10, i reset just to get the special dialog for beating him the first time
>>720243307Gerson took me 3, I think. Mainly because I didn't expect to only need to use Susie’s heal.
>>720242442Touhou became one of those franchises in where everything is vagueOriginally there wasn't much to disclosure because it was a simple game, but with all the doujins and countless mangas they are keeping like this to just do whatever
>>720243081If you're replying to the yellow anons, don't bother. They're genuinely schizophrenic and think anyone who posts a main Undertale character is the same person. They did defend literal reddit just now.
>>720224215out of 10!
>>720243598yeah>drama spilling overIt feels like the same guy that harasses the regulars in /utg/, one of the goatfags
>>720239458I think Temmie just didn't get what the animation was supposed to be.
>>720243746I do get /utg/ vibes of the guy that whines about "Charafags". Trying too hard to force a thread personality.
>>720243491I used defend and healing
>>720232564>be on mobile>click spoiler to see what was said>its a link>eyes assaultedI get what i deserve for phone posting i guess
>>720243990I tried to do that once in my last playthrough to get the extra attacks. I only got one because I healed too much.
>>720243598I think its funny that you're still trying to pretend you aren't spamming/avatarfaggingYou started doing this shit two weeks ish before the release of Deltarune, it was notable because before that no-one would really post chara images consistently and at this level of volume. If you count all the chara images posted its 20+, Totally organic and not avatarfagging
>>720244331People have posted Chara for literal years now. Probably longer than you've been on 4chan. Someone posted Deltarune's 2018 release thread and there were Charafags there.
>>720243491Does anything happen if you spam the fuck out of Rude Buster? Obviously it's just an endurance fight but there's a fair bit of flavor text for his reactions to it.
>>720243934Is the same pattern, someone posts anything related and he begins to spamLike with the berdfags, temmie and tasqueheh... talking about that just found pic related... this fandom is quite something, that might be the gal, maybe not, who knows
chara is such a boring non character
>>720244580you get a % progress if you succeed on the back and forth
>>720244580You finish the fight faster but that's it.
>>720244462I'm sure the same guy grabbing literally any random shit from pixiv's front page that's chara/frisk related is for sure 10 different, organic people and not just a samefag.
>>720244462 (all me)What i find funny is my stubbornness to reply back every timeDetermination evenGod dammit i don't want to reply like a dbs schizo!, this site does things to you, but i keep it because is funny
>>720244623I do wonder if it's all because the Yellow thread is what they claim Deltarune threads to be.>>720142027Filled with necrobumps, dead and with the same five anons saying the same topic.But that's enough drama. No need to bring /utg/shit here.
>>720244889You're an oldfag? I just lurked back then.
>>720244892eehh is not like this site has THAT many anons either in the threads that are "topic related"So, we share boards, is not like a person just visits one general and that is itI gave it a read, it was as funny as it was sad, the thread was dead for a while and the dude kept crying to get a (you) from someone that wasn't even there
>>720244839Pixiv is a popular website, and even then most of the images are twitter filenames. You know, an extremely popular social media.
https://youtu.be/C135xMeF4jk?list=RDC135xMeF4jk
>>720243609Nine eleven jokes aren't funny
>>720245297Gerson was very based. I like how tropey and earnest he is.
>>720245202I'm not gonna reply anymore but if you're gonna do this larp and then put at least more effort>>720244889>>720245003
>>720245142We had a lot of anons back when Deltarune released, it was epic.
>>720245502Go back to your containment thread stop being autistic. IPs would be good to know how many people are in your dead threads.
>>720245321tragedies are funny
>>720245003>the joke>(you)Still me, not him, that is also me supposedly, but also you supposedlyBegan actually posting there since Ch2at UT's peak i hadn't enough brainrot to actually engage with the fandom or that general>>720245550wasn't ch1 weak?still ch2's threads were amazing, the synergy was so good and natural that it felt like the old internet
I don't like that Tenna does modern 3D dances
>>720244580Rude Buster only makes it take forever. I thought his laugh when I OKHealed meant he also healed so I didn't do it and I went through multiple loops of increasingly hard green heart defense patterns.
>>720244664>BoringNah, even what little we learn about them is facinating.>Non characterMweh, depends on how much you believe in narrator theory.
>>720245784Yeah, I totally missed the joke (me). I was mostly a lurker myself. I meant the current release. It was fun and at least people accepted there were multiple human posters. I still remember Limbusfag downloading the pictures I posted...This is what I meant about Yellowfags hating Charafags last thread. I just didn't expect they would shit the Deltarune thread.
If Chapter 5 really does have the last superboss, then I hope we get one more proper schizo. Jevil and Spamton are still my favorite parts of the game.
>>720246683Chara is literally the entire reason Undertale happens and Kris takes heavy homage from her. Obviously she would have lots of fans.
>>720247159I hope Grandpa Semi or canon Disbelief Papyrus is the schizo.
>>720247228Kris honestly feels like a attempt for Toby to give Chara more characterization in some regards. Especially both of them being autistic as fuck.
>>720245874I laughed hard when he first did the dance. Peak shitposting from Toby.
>>720247464Could be. Could be. He did give Chara more characterization post-game. With the glass of water autism and then the number autism.
>>720247140i that am also you, expected for the general to revive at ch3-4 to bad it didn't happen, still the engagement still will live on for at least a decade a bit after deltarune ends, that means, a decade of fan content which is nice at leasti'll keep my theory that is the same guy that of /vg/, still i don't even know it he actually hates anyone, the yellow thread felt like just begging for attention, to engage with anyone even if it is in a negative way, even doing a charapost to keep do another necrobump, this feels like the new iteration of the sonic fanbase in a way
>>720247626Yeah. Mind you, THEY are different people and due to their upbringing are pretty different. But I think a lot of Kris autistic prankster behavior and saditic tendencies would go a long way to explain Chara's behavior.Until we learn the whole story, which in the case of Chara will probably be never, I generally tend to assume the two are the same person. The main difference being that Kris was adopted early and therefore had a relativily stable childhood until Dess vanshed. While Chara never really had a chance.
>>720247869I never really go to /utg/ much. It's kind of a dreadful place. It’s like what people want these threads to be. People whining about thread personalities instead of game discussion. At least we (I) post about game characters and stuff about them.Could be. They are definitely not sincere. Instead of just filtering or stop posting, they deliberately try to bait for attention. I think the best course of action might be ignore them.
>>720247969I think Kris being AU Chara makes sense. He does look like sepia Chara. Nevertheless, they are definitely intentional parallels between the two and even Frisk.
I want Kris to kiss Asriel
What does everyone think the final prophecy is? I think it's Susie dying personally.
>>720248638True.Though the problem with Frisk is that we know even less about them. Even them being an all loving hero and natural pacifist is mostly just a assumption.
>>720249131Chasriel is the better stepcest ship.
>>720249160I think it's Susie having to kill Noelle/Kris or both. Not to say Susie wants to die, she clearly isn't suicidal, but I feel she wouldn't react THAT harshly towards that as a possibility.
>>720249160>The girl will be consumed by heavensA grave vague danger leaves room for many things to go wrong>The heroes have to forget and take everything back to the beginning, there is no escaping the future, only delaying itThe first save used to be Kris's so its plausible, but tobbias changed that to a black box so who knows
>>720249570Why the fuck hasn't Muffet showed up yet?
>>720249731it's not his character
>>720249416Chasriel barely counts as stepcest. The two are typically described as best friends. Kris X Asriel is just pure anime stepsisters wanting their big brothers dick.
>>720249773I find it hard to believe whoever designed Muffet would be that against her appearing in Deltarune.
>>720249731legal issues surelytobby just has to ask i doubt the guys would mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hlwy9NPu5U
>>720249376We do know pacifist shows most of her true personality. Genocide is Chara's and in neutral we don't even know her name.
>>720244689I love my fish wife
>>720250031Not for this fanon. Chasriel is a icky incest ship for them.
>>720249451I feel like it's Kris/Ralsei having to kill her. That's why she focuses on Ralsei not letting that happen.
>>720249160The heroes must bring each other's doom. Something in between those lines, it's inespecific but fits the theme of friendship the whole game has built so farSusie tries to cope it would never happen because it sounds out of character from all of them, then when closing the fountain wishing they can be friends forever.But in the last scene of the chapter when the screen splits to her wistfully fearing the prophecy, Kris in contrast shows it's already happening because Kris must follow their agenda even if they're being guilty tripped in some way
>>720250625fish needs more pretty art>>720250571That is one huge guess
>she>hercope
>>720235431Isn't that Walter White's address?
>>720249731>>720250108She did get a cameo with the gold widow.
>>720250941>Cupewhat size?>>720250976That's barely anything, i hope her appearance in DR doesn't end just with that
>>720250913I don't feel like it is. In pacifist we get Frisk's name and details of her personality, like running away with a smile or hitting Undyne with no killing intent. It's not that crazy to think pacifist is "true" Frisk.
>>720251081I mean, if So Sorry got a cameo, she could get it, too.
>>720250884This is what I think, too. That the heroes will need to kill one another. Mainly that they will end up killing Susie.
>>720250913Fish wife does indeed need pretty art
>>720251510Undyne can be pretty cool.
>>720251340We only get frisk's name because is the only time anyone bothered asking, it says more about the monsters than friskAnd sans description is again just that, no one tells frisk how she looks or acts because, she should know, even if we don't
>>720220801>Old man is actually far wiser, skilled, and deadly than he lets on.Always a great twist
>>720251413Implied in complete darkness that is as funny as ill intended
>>720251702Yeah, but I feel narratively that happens because we know more about Frisk in that route, so as a player, we are allowed to know her name.
>>720251816Probably because it would take too much work spriting him.
>>720249416>When Monsters die they fall down and turn into dust>Fallen Down is actually Asriel's theme because it plays after your first meeting with Flowey
>>720252272>Toby had Tenna play it when Tenna says Toriel.
>>720252394that is strange, shouldn't it have been heartache? unless toby's autism dictates that heartache belongs to jevil, since iirc that's who it was originally for way back in 2012
>>720251827kinda, yes, but Frisk/chara cooperates completely in every route and even if we are only left to assume that is chara who pushes forward breaking the scenes and encounters in the geno routeif Chara is having that amount of control at the beginning, then how can we claim is not being exerted in pacifist too?We're shown that what happens is because we push it that way, but also not entirely since the main characters also adapt to our choices and even act without our input in both routes, but we can't see who is doing what, to the extent there were theories of frisk being dead during the whole thingThere has to be shared feelings of both frisk and chara to do the all the paths or we end up with a black & white situation where it is also clear that is not the caseWe would need something really concrete to settle something like that for we're left to see this from an aerial perspective only
>>720252108temmie is the one doing the sprites now, well since ch4 feels like
>>720252652I think Toby just sees Fallen Down as Toriel’s theme, or got brainwashed into thinking it was by the fandom.
>>720252684I feel the narration settles this. It's in first person during genocide, so we can assume it's Chara. It's in second person otherwise, so Frisk. Anything else feels like overcomplicating it.
>>720252394>>720252652>>720252772Toriel no...
>>720253057there's no way toby actually kills toriel in deltaruneasgore on the other hand...
>>720253057>>720253128Toriel isn't even in mantle, somehow. She's safe.
>>720253338isn't the generic white monster toriel-esque?that has implications considering it's the one minikris kills the most of
>>720253659Yes but there's nothing that mirrors killing Toriel like Asgore with the flowers, for example.
Speaking of dying, theories on what's in the shelter? Is Undyne really frozen?
>>720254213maybe, the shadow crystals seem to show how things 'should be' in the prophecy, or at least how the knight sees things
>>720254491If that's true then Noelle is basically the girl in the prophecy. Kris sees her whispering at him during the house meeting.
>>720252897The owner of that body just recoils back in geno? its off, the ultra determined child who can bring herself back from death with pure will, wanting nothing just giving upIn neutral we can nilly willy kill everyone as long as we leave a single random monster alive, that's also supposed to still be frisk if chara is the only one "on top" in genoThe narration settles the narrator, the fact that is sentient and not just flavor text, we never get to read a single line of text from friskBy how everything works, what frisk's body does and the choices we can do come from frisk and chara In pacifist, we can play frisk as an ass to monsters, even if the final photo will always show a happy afterwards reunionThere are holes wherever you look, its an issue this game hasIt feels right for frisk to be "the good one", but even like that frisk can't be 100% good
>>720254537maybe, maybe not while i agree that noelle seems to be who the game wants you to think is the girl, there is also the susie argument since she also kinda fits there's also the third candidate, but most people don't consider that one despite arguably fitting the best
>>720254726I don't think Frisk is 100% good, either. It's just that the narrative frames Frisk as the good human compared to Chara. You can still do neutral with Frisk and she will be fine with it. Frisk can do evil stuff, in the end she is very self-serving.I view genocide as just Frisk giving control to Chara at will rather than giving up. After all, you are following Chara's orders on what monsters to kill in those routes.
>>720254835Kris girl is a very interesting theory. I just don't think Kris's gender will be relevant enough for the narrative. Toby wouldn't dare.
>>720220801The old turtle guy is in Deltarune? Based.
>>720248638One thing i don't see many people bring is that Chara and Asriel relationship is kinda similiar to Kris and Noelle>loved doing mean pranks and scare them>best friends>understood each other the best>potential soul combination shenanigansBut you know, instead of fucking dying they just stopped hanging out
>>720255301Unironically Kriselle and Chasriel shippers bring it a lot. Snowgrave is also similar to Chara manipulating Asriel into following her plan, as well. Except it works.
>>720255160i feel like toby could handle it with tact, he's built up enough good will for people to at least hear him outremember the game did open with 'no one can choose who they are in this world' by the still unknown third party, i feel like it was talking about more than just (you) and the vessel
>>720232865>Reimu is evilReimu isn't a nice person but outside a few specific outliers like the manga with the fortune teller (RIP) she's not cruel. Gensokyo is filled with what amounts to powerful beings with the capacity and impulse to do great evil, but whom are bound by custom not to for the sake of avoiding mutually assured destruction. They play what amounts to a game, danmaku, to solve their grievances with each other without bloodshed, and let off steam by causing the Incidents that form the plots of Touhou games (except the few times someone was serious and intent to kill like Kaguya in 8 or Junko in 15). Reimu is just a cop, and a damn good one, who can disarm these Incidents by being the best at danmaku. She's grouchy and doesn't have a lot of sympathy for the people she's roughing up but she's doing a vital job that keeps the place she lives in stable.
>>720255547He could, I just don't see him doing it. The gender of the they/thems has never been actually important in these games. I don't see Toby doing the same even if it would be very based.
>>720254996Sasuga Frisk enjoyer!I just like how you reach logical interpretations even if sometimes i misread them, while also presenting them, unlike me, without a wall of textI just went with "frisk changed too with the route", but what you say fits right, "leave it to the motivated ones" while not fighting back or giving up, changing, but also presenting the eloquence of the events
>>720255718I've played these games a LOT. Like, I have done every neutral ending and some challenge runs. So I know a lot about it. But thanks, I try. I also think you're pretty smart, don't sell yourself short.
>>720255697that's fair, i just think it's weird that the prophecy would specifically call for a 'girl' and our gender ambiguous protagonist fits the job description better than the two actual girls we know of surely toby knew about it, right?
>>720229208Yes, Deflection.
>>720232865>deahts of hundreds.fairies maybe, not like that mattersReimu is a lazy but a responsible enough authority, and like one, she abuses her power any time she can, she is only evil enough to be bully
>>720255882Maybe. Kris does fit the girl very well. Strangely so. Maybe it's just me being a huge doomer and not expecting Toby to ever adress the gender neutral part of his games.
>>720249160The Heroes die, it's as simple as that.Everything about Ralsei's behavior screams someone who knows he doesn't have a future. But by that same line of thinking, if the Prophecy was only about him, he wouldn't have reacted so strongly to Susie finding out about it. Ralsei already told Susie to her face that he didn't really matter and she should "find some real friends," but when Susie finds the Last Prophecy he's completely hysterical trying to stop her from reading it, he's more upset by her finding out than when The Knight summoned the Titan. (It's also not something simpler like 'The Dark World will be destroyed/separated and you can't go there anymore' for the same reason)Ralsei's comments to Kris, who definitely already knows The Prophecy and Ralsei knows this, also suggest that it's not just Ralsei in trouble, but all of the heroes.>* But... but no matter what we do...>* Our fate... is already decided.>>720249570With how Susie reacted to it I don't think it can really be vague at all. Like it's not going to be as blunt as "The Heroes fucking die" but it was clear enough that Susie does a complete 180 from being thrilled to be a Hero to punching through it and rejecting everything.I think that Kris/The Knight/Carol's plan is to somehow subvert the Prophecy, but Ralsei doesn't see any hope for them in whatever the Last Prophecy says must happen to save the world.
>>720256869I don't know if it’s ALL the heroes dying. It's definitely either Kris or Susie are the very least, though.
>>720256869susie's dialogue doesn't really make sense thenit's 100% going to be some sort of betrayal, "THE GIRL MUST DESTROY THE CAGE" or something like that
>>720257315Or they killing her.
>>720253771i think shes supposed to be the 2 orange fire ones
>>720257236Yeah Ralsei's definitely out because Susie wouldn't be able to play it off as it being easily preventable. She knows he wouldn't hesitate to jump onto the pyre if it came down to it.
>>720257236Susie is definitely more in trouble than Kris. It would kind of make sense for Susie and Ralsei to be doomed and Kris to survive.>>720257315I know she puts emphasis on Ralsei ("Obviously YOU wouldn't let that happen") but I don't want to read into that too much when we really have no clue what it could mean, or if it isn't just part of her reassuring Ralsei like she's been doing since Chapter 3.
forget the actual touhou characters i would glaze the absolute fuck out of one of the little shooter target fairies from the games like an anime figure
>>720256869The fucked up part is that Ralsei has no future even if the last prophecy isn't about him. He has one purpose in life and he'll be gone and forgotten after eventually, they cannot share a life with him. He's moreso weeping for his friends having to suffer a cruel fate on their own
Chara and Gaster in that one picture of two people looking at the same number from different angles, the former saying it's 9 and the latter 6.
>>720258464I wonder if Chara and Gaster are some sort of narrative parallels. As in, they are opposites of one another.
>>720258108It could be Kris having to kill Ralsei and Susie. It has to be something that makes Ralsei think that pacifism and being "nice" is the right path.
>>720258108I think it has to be something Susie with her current knowledge thinks requires the consent of the party to happen, so logically i don't think it can be an external force killing the party or them having to sacrifice themselves
>>720258282Yeah. That's why I don't think the prophecy has nothing to do with Ralsei. He has no self-worth. He wouldn't care for his fate.
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>>720220801I still haven't beat Chapter 4.I really loved Chapter 3 but it felt like the game lost all momentum at the beginning of chapter 4.
>>720258892I think Ralsei knows that Kris' allegiance with the Knight will cause a major fracture between him and Susie. The pacifist route keeps the damage the Knight does to a minimum while the violent route results in the death of Tenna and Jackenstein. Perhaps the pacifist route will result in the two of them reconciling while the violent route ends with one of them killing the other because Susie just couldn't forgive him for working with the Knight.
>"Ah man, I can't open this jar of pickles.">Gerson's ashes, who have reformed into Gerson crashes through the wall like the Kool-Aid Man>He opens the jar and leaves
>>720259258Being a misanthrope, Chara probably celebrates 9/11.
>>720258735Chara is Toby's archetypal playerGaster is Toby's game dev persona
so do you guys also think alphys saying whats in the bunker might me worse than a disaster forcing people to seek shelter is suspicious as fuck
Kind of impressive that there are a good amount of people that now view Gerson as a Bara DILF thanks to Chapter 4.
>>720260257Yes. I wonder if everyone will enter the bunker during the Roaring.
>>720260376no im saying she sounds like shes in on it like carol and asgore and shitpair that with her line about treating school property like people and also being there when kris and susie got into the closet darkworld
>>720259832I don't think Chara even is a misanthrope at the end of a genocide route.Monsters, humans, everyone, they're all just power ripe for the taking, no need to discriminate.
>when a no good darkie attacks my glorious lightner masters
>>720220801sex
>>720260257Something I don't think I've seen anyone else mention is that the reason Alphys moved to town and got the teaching job to replace Gerson was because Toriel recommended herI don't think Paper Trail was right and Toriel is in on what's going on, but there's an outside chance. Especially if >>720260376 happens and the stuff in the Mantle Game where you enter the bunker and have boss fights with half the town turns out to be major foreshadowing.
>>720263663something else to note about alphys replacing gerson is iirc gerson's been dead for a few years now, but alphys has only been around for a few months who was filling in for gerson before alphys? not toriel because she teaches the younger kids
>>720262049
(You)r Tenna™ is safe and sound with Mettaton® before NIGGERTOWN blows up and everybody die, right?
>kris realizing that his soul wants to bang a crotchety old turtle
>>720268113Didn't realize I was Kris
So I don't really have any stake in it but weren't the admins letting that retard spamming picture of whatzerfuck from Undertale when Deltarune was going to and came out because they thought it'd kill the the thread?Sorta like that guy that bought $2000 in scat porn or the fag spamming ai shart porn of whatsherface Temmie Fox or whatever the developer?
Are /v/ deltarune threads kill? :(
>>720220801How do you pronounce his name? "Ger" as in nigger or Gerald?
He says the N word with the hard R casually.
>>720270582"Girth-son".
How schizo is too schizo for you?captcha: WNNNR
hmm
>>720270775Ralsei is racist theory.
>>720220801Has someone done the Gaston song with gay turtle sex lyrics yet?
>>720270808>Ralsei turning into a pile of fluff is an Earthbound reference>the "evil place" through the binoculars in MANCOUNTRY is an obscure reference to an out-of-bounds glitch in the original MOTHER
>>720270775All the friend stuffWe only have some vague hints that it even exist yet people want to put it in everywhere doing extremely important things for no reason
>>720270582I thought of it as "Gair-son"
>>720270582I go with nigGER SONHow is it even anything else
>>720271185I think this stuff is pretty convincing that it has some important role in the storyBut the people trying to argue that it's actually like The Knight somehow are insane
>>720271353I think FRIEND could be controlling the Knight personally but I admit there's a lot of leaps and assumptions to be made for this conclusion>Dess probably went missing in the shelter>FRIEND is probably the tail of hell because FRIEND was probably the egg from Cat Petterz which probably connects to the tail of hell due to the game's style being made of circles like the tail prophecy>The tail of hell probably lured Dess into the shelter>Dess is probably the Knight>The Knight might potentially be puppeteered by someone like we're doing for Kris>If you put all these speculative "probablies" and "mights" together, FRIEND might be the Knight's puppeteer because it might already be associated with Dess who might be the KnightIt's really easy to forget the entirety of the little fucker's official presence is like, a smiley face that pops up in the dark a few times and gets summoned by John Mantle
>>720270950>Ralsei tosses his wizard hat because it makes him looks black.>Repeatedly spouts out the differences between Lightners and Darkners.>Resents being a DARKner.>Feels disgust towards the very very DARK Titan and Titan spawn and wants to destroy them with extreme prejudice.>Loves being in the presence of high class individuals and loves his butler outfit.>Doesn't mind you attacking the black dummy during training.>Regards Darkners are a "lesser" being.>Detests degenerate behavior.>Would look adorable in an SS Uniform.Yeah, Racist Ralsei Theory is confirmed.
What is the "some other exciting things" other than the Memories thing?
>>720271078Huh never really looked into the bread crumbs glitch, guess MANCOUNTRY being a green grassy place with those little tufts of grass is maybe supposed to be like Mother. Also the "Forgotten Man" from Magicant.
>>720270808>>720271078Tbf I’m pretty sure Tony himself would tell you that Deltarune is just him taking a crack at Mother 3 in his own way
I NEED Ralsei's white soft fluffy buns
>>720249160I feel like Susie only reacted as angrily as she did because the tragedy was about someone other than her.
>>720272242We know Susie
>>720272242>'Ralsei is Asriel's discarded, used condom' theory.
>>720272170there was a tweet where he called undertale "mother 3 with furries" and that's kinda funny to look back at considering how much more that applies to deltarune than undertalei can't really think of many mother 3 similarities for undertale besides that the main antagonist is a kid who fucked up his mind with a large amount of time warping
>>720271897That basic premise makes decent sense, but the reaching people do from there gets crazy fastI'm also just opposed to any theory where The Knight isn't fundamentally just Dess, for the same reason I didn't like any theory where "Kris made the fountain because [third entity] was making them evil." It's a more interesting story when all the pieces are allowed to be characters with real motives, relationships and conflicts between them.The hints of a very serious and meaningful connection between Kris and The Knight (Dess) are some of the juiciest bits of the new Chapters, and that would all kind of go out the window if The Knight is just another vessel/amalgam/vengeful ghost/"Kris's angst" or some other weird thing
>>720272394oh and also the manly bandanna item i guessthat's not really a "similarity" in terms of plot or characters though that's just a reference
>>720272394I guess there's the sort of focus on flowers and falling onto a flowerbed
fuck i want to dixk down ralsei (with hat) so bad
>>720272724i'm even somewhat hesitant to call the flowerbed a mother 3 reference since it happens again later in a blatant FFVII reference in waterfallcould be both knowing toby's earthbound fetish but still
>>720272784https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_FNt31NVLI&list=RDh_FNt31NVLI&start_radio=1
>>720272823Black ralsei is so much better than white ralsei that it's not even funny
Would you smooch a goat
>>720273110I would smooch his butt
>>720273110yeah (his dad)
>>720273124waow
>>720272784The Austrian Painter isn't quite as savage as Chara.
>>720273231Hey Kris dumbass if you don't want me to do it in your body then just throw me out and leave me in Ralsei's ass while you fuck around somewhere else on your own, I'm more than fine with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULZIsnR3NvE&list=RDULZIsnR3NvE&start_radio=1
>mostly seems like a smug goofy dipshit kid>in the end selflessly helps his friends perhaps losing an arm in the process or dies tryingI hope he gets some more real cool/funny times and isn't just 100% relegated to total side meme/being a popsicle.
>>720273595That's kinda weird, anon
is it wrong that i want to tease Ralsei as if he is Raymond in pic related?
>>720260787He's basically beyond hate. Everything is meanigless and pointless, only existing to make him stronger. Like me when I play Warhammer Total War.
>>720255943Outsiders and human villagers.
>>720271932Does hating yourself really count as racism?
>>720274804Yes
>>720276239Oh no, Chara absolutely hated Flowey.>hey, you know how you've been following my plan instead of me following yours>how about we stop and drop the plan? :)>wh-what do you mean this reminds you of the time I fucked up your plan because I wanted to stop?>oh hi, yes I did try to dob on you so Asgore could absorb the souls and get you killed again>b-but I also killed him for you to make up for that! huh? Now you're stuck because of me?>hey, I never worked against you, you're my best friend! please don't kill me!I'd be fucking livid with Asriel.
I think Kris and Asriel
>>720220801https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TB-Nxz1achg
>>720278620That's why when you put the Heart Locket on in this route, it's "right where it belongs." On her true best friend.
>>720281670And then she gets even more pissed off when you try to back out at the very end.
>>720279869...should double-team Susie while Noelle watches. Probably Dess too, for good measure.
>>720281798>whenIf, you traitor.
>>720271932>>Would look adorable in an SS Uniform.Do you have an example? I'm not quite so sure...
>>720281798Why would you back out? It's what you wanted.
>>720279869are brothers!
>>720282824At the end of the day, DELTARUNE is a brothers to lovers story.
>>720278620To be fair, Chara also wanted to unleash monsters on his own people on the surface world, which would at best re-ignite the old war and lead to untold bloodshed and at worst result in humanity being wiped out or enslaved. Anyone else with a conscience would abandon that plan, too.Asriel outright says Chara "hated humanity" and "wasn't really the greatest person" in the epilogue.
>>720260787Chara at the end of genocide totally wants to destroy everything. I was talking about when she was alive.
>>720283538The end of the game is just picking off where Chara left off when Asriel's moral character kicked in selecting a new vessel to escort them out of the underground to exterminate everything.Not some tumblr rewrite of the backstory.
>>720270808It's pretty obvious the Roaring Knight is the new masked man. That's why I was disappointed when I saw her at first.
>>720272784Chara would probably hate Hitler since he was a human supremacist.
>>720278620Chara does kill Flowey until nothing of him remains. She absolutely hated him after the plan, especially since she hates even Toriel in genocide.
>>720270379The admins aren't that competent. The temschizo for example just ban evades a ton.
>>720284291Basic competency would tell them enabling that stuff would be a bad idea, it's been allowed to happen because they're retards.
>>720284006>HumanAryans are not humans by their own definition.
>>720284482If you were in a thread with Temschizo you would realize the jannies constantly delete his posts. It's just that fucker is an extremely autistic shitposter. Sometimes there's nothing that can be done about it.
>>720284239You kill Toriel though.
