I like extraction camping and calling them a noob on their Steam profile after I kill them

>>724236393
Is that a new concord-like?

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>>724236534
it's more like Lost Planet.
Remember Lost Planet..?
too young..?

Will be a FOTM because of identity problems. It won't be deep enough for a serious core playerbase, but it will still be hard enough to alienate casuals. This will lead to a exponential drop in player numbers after the first month.

Basically, it's slop made by devs who think they can over-design their game to success.

>>724236683
>It won't be deep enough
what do you mean, exactly?
do you even know what you mean or is it just a vibe?

vibes are fine but it's a bit cunty to make a declarative statement like that without telling anyone what you even mean

>>724236595
But lost planet is a zoomer game...

>>724236393
I liked the finals too so I trust the devs to at least have a good baseline, I hope they shake things up with massive balance patches every once in a while because TF felt stale for me.

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I feel like the nature of these games lends itself to wearing the fanbase thin, quickly. Most people don't want to spend 10-15 minutes looting and crouch-walking to then be gunned down at the finish line by someone who just sat there watching. It's worse when you brought expensive guns/rare equipment.

I quite enjoyed the playtest. I'm not sure I'd spend $40 on it though, and by the time it's on sale decently I'm sure it'll be sub 3k players.

>>724236595
you don't get to larp as an oldfag, eternal zoomer

>>724236683
The third person camera and alarm when you try to extract is going to make extract camping a huge problem.

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>>724236884
>>724237267
Lost Planet was the first Xbox Live game I played. I played Halo on PC.

why do you need to discredit me? Have I done something to upset you?

>>724237364
thats what the bots are for

Its INCREDIBLY hard to actually loot someone during extract, you would all know this if you actually played the game. If you have ever attempted it, you know how nearly impossible it is to cleanly camp and steal someone's shit without drawing attention to yourself and getting looted yourself.

>>724237364
>is going to make extract camping a huge problem.
why would an intentional primary gameplay loop be a "huge problem"

what, you want to just safely extract for free and have a no stress win every time? It's an intentional and meaningful decision on the part of the developers to drive conflict and engagement. It's called "fun."

>>724237364
It's easy as fuck to figure someone is around first by drones or dead drones, you leave a huge footprint. The high TTK doesn't allow for cheap shots either, and you can also throw smoke grenades which will force any supposed campers to either commit and kamikaze run or just let you go.
Crazy how allergic people are to the concept of playing against other people in a pvp game.

>>724236863
The gameplay is just very simplistic. There isn't a lot of skill in aiming or positioning. Things like fall damage and sprint speed are all very forgiving. Itemization is very straightforward and boring.

>>724237364
Buy a key for 9,000 and you get immediate access to any of the, like, 10 key extracts littered around the map. They are silent and instantaneous extracts. Comments like this are what I mean when I say the game will be too "hard" for casuals.

>>724237175
this is what arc raiders is trying to solve imo. the genre is really shit because a bunch of "milsim" retards want to be able to one-hit kill everyone with a sniper from 300 yards away.

arc raiders seems to be fairly balanced with gear (better gear obviously being better). and the ttk makes it even better. plus there's free scav runs without a retarded timer so if you die you can immediately play the game again

>>724237767
Those extracts can be camped as well anon. And carrying a raider key limits your potential safe pocket (since you're probably gonna keep it there)

Its basic risk/reward

>>724237767
>There isn't a lot of skill in aiming or positioning
this is simply false.

No one "camped" to kill you, you just had worse awareness, positioning and aim while someone else was also looking to exit and watched for movements first.

>>724237926
Eh, admittedly the actual mechanics are very barebones. Shooter games haven't done anything interesting with shooting mechanics since their inception, so they all focus on autistic movement tech instead of making the actual aiming/shooting systems more complex. It takes skill sure, but its all the same redundant skillset of any other shooter game, so I understand the complaint

>>724238174
everytime they try to add "interesting" mechanics they just add bloom. the gun play is perfect as it is right now, imo.
movement shit is good as long as it has ties to realism. arc did a good job because a slide can be pushed really hard because of the "get up" animation. same with rolling and using up stamina.
this is better than sliding as the default move because it has no cooldown or disadvanatages.

>>724237897
there's nothing rewarding about watching a random exit instead of just doing your objectives, especially outdoors when drones will more often than not swarm around any gunfights

>Reddit is whining that no one is working together to take down the big robots
lmao

I played the "server slam" for a couple of hours, and it seems like the most generic extraction shooter slop imaginable.

>>724238467
its the most unique extraction shooter i've played. did you play arena breakout?

>>724237367
>xbox live
Don't tell me you didn't even witness the golden era of gaming with no live/online cancer like steam botnet...

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>>724238327
Yeah I enjoy the basic movement, the light-parkour elements are genuinely very cool too. Being able to scale down buildings safely from the edge is super satisfying.

I just mean I can understand the complaints of shooting games feeling similar when they never try any sort of additional mechanic like Active Reload anymore. Something like that at least TRIES to change up the aim/shoot/reload formula.

>>724238410
Disagree, I've done it several times and literally devised traps/mazes around the extraction terminals because its funny

>>724238627
nice dolph lundgren image

>>724238991
thanks, you can save it if you want, its on me brotherman

>>724236393
I was signed up for Alpha for the longest time and removed it after finding out their direction went PvPvE raid instead of EDF like.
The first reveal I was pleasantly surprised how good their vision and direction choice was. They focused on immersion and understood the strengths to be had from a map. The game play and style of choice was peak being in the Division / cover style of FPS. Full vision for everyone proved they understood the use of the environment from Gears of War multiplayer flashbacks, and the use of a 3rd intelligent element meant they weren't being lazy like every AAA company in fucking existence. From open areas to corridors nice original COD 1 & 2 balance. Environments that made sense and looting / stealth / escaping as a mechanic with being downed still allowing you to escape meant intelligent choices were important.

I am looking forward to it. I doubt we will get a similar experience in premades but I do have hope for single player since everyone will be of the same choice. It will take time to see if the game becomes Dark Zone or Tarkov cancer. Being optimistic doesn't hurt as it is THE premier potential extraction to be released.

>>724238627
woah surely you must have gotten a great haul on the 0.01% chance that someone had a key, decided to pick the one exit you were camping and happened to come in from the only angle where your clever maze of traps could even theoretically work, and didn't just walk away after the first trap

>>724238174
I just said Gears of War that was 100% on cover. Tarkov kept player style restrained like most milsim behaviors. Having weapons that punish pushes due to the wide vision is a very good thing. You can guarantee it will happen as well.

>>724236393
>? Will it flop harder than concord
180k players on the free playtest and people generally liked it. concord had 3k people on the free playtest and nobody gave a fuck about concord.

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>>724239265
>theres nothing rewarding about it!!!
>I find it rewarding
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU NEED TO LOOT HIGH-LEVEL GEAR YOU CAN'T FORM INTRINSIC FUN IN A GAME ON YOUR OWN TERMS
G R I M

>>724239265
ngl his strategy of camping extraction sounds interesting and very easily wont pay off in a round unless he thought about the likeliest spot to a high loot area. You would think drones would still be protective of those places and any damage would be a tell though.

>>724236393
It's another game by devs that rot Battlefield V with their political activism.
Don't like it, don't buy it; make a cult with your poduct etc and they are working it with all these streamer shills forcing hype over this game.

The original PvE coop was scrapped because chinamen can't fathom working together for a common goal and would rather cheat, steal and scam for everything all for themselves so such a game was already dead by inception of the idea of selling it to bug creatures.

Now it is a PvPvE extraction shooter where the chinamen can buy their cheat subscriptions and take the candy from the naive babies that play with them in the game.

A lot of art assets are just automatically generated and bought off a service and anything bespoke is spoiled into ugly by their old DEI practices that aren't paid anymore by USAID so they'll launch it now to recoup costs.

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It's okay to not like a game. The game isn't bad just because you don't like it. It's okay to be bad at a game. Be more mature.

>>724236393
I liked it. I'll get it. I think the server test was pretty shitty compared to TT2 with 3 maps and more progression. And I agree all the retarded dick suckers on YouTube trying to make guida based on 15% of the game are pathetic.

The thing I'm most concerned about is enemy variety. They said they would add more maps, guns, and enemies over time but only having like 5 types of robots feels pretty lame.

>>724239568
Why would you cheat to club seals with their white tier inventories instead of cheating to do actually valuable objectives like bosses?

>>724239683
Yeah TT2 was like 2-3x better than the server slam purely based on having some sort of light progression to work towards

>>724236393
I won't ever give it a chance because it's AI slop.
But it will probably do well since professional shills seem to like it.

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Already bought my deluxe edition
I like the game and cant wait for it to release but the truth is that there's not a lot to talk about right now
Embark just suck at marketing I guess, the finals was the same shit

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I'm not a "game defense force" person so I'm not even gonna try but I have yet to see a complaint levied against the game that doesn't just seem like ragebait or shortsighted narcissistic screeching "MAKE THE GAME JUST FOR ME!!!" bullshit

I know every new game gets this to some extent but it's really fucking potent and smelly for this game. Does Arc Raiders just trigger gamer narcissism somehow?

>>724240170
probably the milsim crowd, I know devs who absolutely despise these people

>>724240170
I keep seeing people say it's "generic" or "another extraction game" as if there are other extraction games with giant physics robots that everyone is aware of except me.

I can see why people wouldn't like it for being third person, or because of the genre itself, but generic? These people are fucking subhuman and do not know how to articulate their thoughts. A bunch of browns who insist they hate all games because they cannot afford any games. This is their video game, shitposting on /v/ from a dilapidated favela hovel.

>>724240147
>Embark just suck at marketing I guess, the finals was the same shit
They don't need to be good at marketing. Every streamer is talking about this game and will be playing it for weeks after it releases.

>>724239568
They already got their ass burned from the low attraction to The Finals. As for DEI shit the world finally factors into their favor for those kind of choices and it doesn't stand out as abnormal. It's only you looking for problems with a vision you have no right in having a say on. You will be VERY justified though if their character creation is still D grade crap tier options.

https://youtu.be/l7JgDCCZ7rE

>>724240170
Objectively third person shooters are only good against AI. Otherwise it's just cheating with camera view. It's only good if it's anime girls and you can stare at her ass and outfit that you unlocked.

>>724237862
Agreed
Once we see the player counts for Tarkov on Steam I'm willing to bet this will outlast that by a whole

>>724240170
Its actually incredibly strange. Tons of people call out Arc Raiders for its "fake" viral explosion from word-of-mouth because these people literally can't conceive of a game getting traction naturally without marketing. Calling it generic and bot-marketed.

Then you have the other side, where 50% of the people who talk shit about the game literally just lie about its mechanics and want a completely different game. The people who talk shit about it are more bot-like than the company that actually uses AI tools.

Like, I could believe Embark uses some sort of AI bot marketing, but I think they were just really lucky.

>>724240490
>Otherwise it's just cheating with camera view

>all players have the same camera advantages
>IT'S CHEATING BECAUSE... BECAUSE I SAY SO!
it is de facto not cheating
and also
skill issue

>>724240559
They are lucky. Gears of War corridor fighting / Division style fighting / High + Low & varied environments. Obvious game developers that over high environment and map makers working in their favor for this genre. ACTUAL SOUND TECHNICIANS like holy fuck how did this side of gaming shrivel up and fucking die especially in the FPS genre. Was it because they believed 5.1 surround did everything for them or some stupid shit?

>>724240559
>company that actually uses AI tools.
what is AI in the game? some of the crappy voice acting? Am I supposed to be angry and demand we pay voice actors what they are worth? All the environment textures are quixel megascans. The game looks and runs well, and is not $80 full price. I am seriously not sure what I am supposed to be angry about or what part of it is "slop" to these thirdies

>>724240559
they didn't market The Finals either. I found out about it because I'm in physics game autism circles.

The fact so many people are saying ANYTHING about a game that's barely even marketed says a lot for the game, and anyone who gives it a chance will find that out.

3rd person isnt cheating but it force a shitty defensive meta where holding a corner has no downside
It's a legit complaint but I'm fine with it, Tarkov is 1st person and everyone camp there too anyway

>>724237364
i don't see how it's any worse than first person

>>724236393
I see rainbow colors in the cover and I'm skeptical right away.
I know I should give shit a fair chance... but i've seen way too many of this shit burn down just because it's political in some way or another....

>>724240826
>what is AI in the game?
from what I can tell, it's just the voice lines

the enemy drone behavior was also trained using LLMs but that's not the kind of evil creativity killing AI people hate

>>724240868
>defensive meta
yes, they found a way to incentivize survival instead of aggressive call of duty pushing. that is part of why the game will appeal more to casuals
if you want to play Tarkov, play it. don't insist that this game should be more like that other piece of shit

>>724240726
Except that the player who is peeking around corner and the player who is walking up to that corner from afar have absolutely different advantages, dumbass. If it was 1st person, you'd have to physically walk out to peek.
>3rd person console trash
>skill
Lmao, zoomers.

>>724236393
I think its an extraction shooter and therefore I lost any interest in it the moment that was revealed.
I hate the genre.
I hate that both Hunt and this had interesting initial trailers, which made them look like coop PvE games and then they revealed they were extraction slop later.

>>724241065
so play Tarkov you dumb nigger. stop insisting every game be exactly the fucking same

>>724241065
There are games that give you literal wallhacks as a game mechanic and no it's not cheating because everyone has it.
You are aware that people can peek around corners, so play accordingly.

>>724240868
Corner peeking can be done right, because it requires you to set your pre-aim in a less advantageous position in order to actually see around the corner. But obviously it can be a problem.

In TLOU Factions, the FOV and default camera speed balanced it out perfect. You could corner-peek, but you are effectively making yourself more vulnerable from another angle since you can't really cover two angles at once.

>>724240826
>what is AI in the game?
According to their Steam page, they used AI for asset creation, so it could be anything. The game does look generic enough for me to believe most of the textures are AI generated.

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>>724241065
skill issue

>>724241117
I don't play unity trash.

>>724241205
>wallhacks as a game mechanic
This is a cancer in gaming form and shouldn't exist in the first place.

>>724241387
>console trash
>"""skill"""
Go play fartnite, zoom zoom.

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>>724240826
>>724241370
The Finals used AI for the narrators and I believe some of the cosmetic development

For Arc they use it for the ARCs themselves learning how to walk better on uneven terrain. I'm pretty sure players also actively train the AI as the game progresses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwY0FVnFsKQ

>>724240892
The rainbow is more a symbol of 80s aesthetic, like how technology is represented in the game
I dont think it has any link to the gay flag

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>>724240892
what 4 colors does to a motherfucker

fucking retard

>>724241545
Every single game developer uses AI, even if they don't tell you.

>>724236683
>Will be a FOTM because of identity problems.

I think so too. The game’s entire identity revolves around the “spider robot,” and everything else just circles around it. Aside from that, there’s really nothing memorable the PvP feels bland, and the item farming elements all seem a bit lacking.

>>724241370
>for me to believe
damn if only you believed true things instead of random bullshit assumptions you have

>>724241623
the sky is woke

>>724238524
It's the most innovative shooter I've played in years

>>724241539
>be a headless chicken
>don't notice everything around him has been looted already
>run through rooms without checking for the constant tells like camera alarms and dead arcs
>someone obviously hears him coming and preps accordingly
>gets blasted in the face as he waltzes into the room
>wtf camper! cheating! this somehow wouldn't have happened if it was first person like my cod!

>>724241631
I can at least respect how they're up-front about it. It actually meshes with the corpo-dystopian/simulation aspect in the Finals, so atmosphere-wise it actually works really well. Its all about context

ARCs learning off player behavior is also genuinely a cool use of it

What's the appeal of this game, compared to other extraction shooters?

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>>724241539
aw sweet a narc crashout

>>724241739
I don't play console garbage.

>>724241664
What's innovative about it? Extraction shooter + AI enemies is hardly new.

>>724241793
I like the robot physics. guns seem decently balanced in a way that isn't instant death head, eyes all the time

>>724241809
Why did you post the picture of yourself, zoom zoom?

>>724241793
In my opinion, its as sweaty/chill as you want it to be. It doesnt require you to treat it like a job just to compete. It focuses on unique PvPvE interactions rather than solely PvP or PvE, which makes some people upset, but it does those unique interactions exceptionally well

>>724241827
then fuck off to whatever shithole you came from, no one is concerned about what you prefer spending your time with

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>>724240892
>MOOOOMMMMMM GET IN HERE I JUST FOUND OUT VIDEO GAMES ARE GAY

>>724241878
you will never feel love and the validation you desperately crave will ALWAYS be out of reach

>>724241793
only other extractor I played was dark and darker
that was janky trash that played like shit, and arc isn't
so the appeal is a competent game that works

>>724241883
>*claims a thing*
>explain why do you claim a thing?
>"ummmm fuck off, okay?!"
Lol.

>>724241946
Have you tried not being underage? Stop projecting your teenage insecurities.

>>724241793
Robots and a sort of post apoc kind of setting. Love that stuff. But I severely wish they do something about the character customization and especially outfits. They look like total shit

>>724236393
It has a lot of promise, but it's far too nomrie-unfriendly in its current state.
Out-of-game desperately needs convenience QOL work, and having to spend 10 min regearing after every death will ultimately filter most people with sub 100 IQ.
I have a feeling we're just going to get a core extraction shooter playerbase until it gets old, and Embark will set it on permanent life support mode while they try to make their next big Fotm.

>>724242030
>be a stupid faggot
>told to fuck off
>doesn't fuck off

>>724241950
Yeah, thats the most important thing that people forget to mention, its INCREDIBLY polished

>>724241793
Felt pretty casual accessible to me
Seem like the kind of game you can log on for 30m a day and still get shit done, which is not true for Tarkov and Abi

>>724242056
You are clearly too young to post here if you can't hold an adult conversation.

>>724242052
Custom Loadouts are definitely needed. But Free loadouts at least exist as a "fuck it give me the basics".

Part of the issue is learning the UI, swapping between stores/benches is weird to get used to

>>724240726
its a trash mechanic it needs a line of sight system

>>724242052
the inventory stuff is significantly faster than any other game in the genre, but yeah the menus suck cock. Takes way too many clicks to get from crafting, to buying, to your inventory, back to crafting, like FUCK just give me buttons on the side to get between these things quickly.

>>724236393
Didn't give two shits about it until I tried the server slam playtest and now i'm upgrading my 2070 for a 5090 just for this game. Hopefully they don't cave in to the 1% asking for gear based matchmaking bullshit.

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>>724242056
back in my day there was an adage we all understood and it seems we've all forgotten it

>>724242052
Having to manually recycle trash is annoying, I don't even know why games do this "get 5 different kinds of trash to merge them into one kind of base material" deal instead of just giving the basic materials or making the trash actually meaningful. Pick one or the other.

>>724241648
They haven't specified so the entire game could be made by AI for all we know. It looks generic enough for it to be.
Until they specify it's safe to assume it is just 100% AI slop, and ignore the game.

>>724242192
>Hopefully they don't cave in to the 1% asking for gear based matchmaking bullshit.

the matchmaking algorithm will likely account for gear to some degree but it will just be one of the thoudand variables

>>724242139
The crafting system itself is quite nice, but it really does create the problem of having to tinker around with 3 benches for ~5+ items for every setup
>>724242161
Nah, Play a bit of ABI. the speed of gearing (if you don't care about money) is almost as optimized as the genre can get, shame about the chinese RMT syndicate ruining every single TV station lobby on every single server.

>>724242052
>nomrie-unfriendly
There's infinite free loadouts and allegedly gear-matchmaking
Honestly hard to make it easier than that

>>724242303
that's totally fine then.

>>724242278
>I don't even know why games do this
1. To make you feel like you're actually scavenging... immersion
2. To make you vulnerable for longer to add difficulty and engagement
3. To add more layers to mechanics to create emergent gameplay scenarios

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>>724242303
kind of a nothing statement that leaves everything open but on release it'll mainly be squad-size-based MM (and I assume region/language on top)

>>724242318
It's hard to imagine someone as retarded as an IGN journo surving any pvp on a quick kit.
>>724242309
Also, The inventory space issue shouldn't exist and storage should be infinite. Spending an extra 5 mins every riad to condense shit down is a massive pain in the ass.

>>724242282
it's safe to assume you are retarded because we do, in fact, know that they used AI for the voice acting and that's it. Textures are all Quixel Megascans.
>>724242309
Oh yeah, ABI actually does have a really good menu system with custom loadouts, free gear packs, tons of stuff to get you loaded and playing quickly. Also all the stuff to quickly add healing items and ammo. Really good QOL in that game

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the devs really seem like they have a vision they're sticking to and I hope they stay strong and don't listen to bad faith whiners

>>724242318
they specifically said no gear-based matchmaking

>>724242461
whatever they do, it's gonna be a black box to us

>>724242478
Where do they specify this information? Your ass isn't a good enough of an answer since you're being so aggressive about it, Mr.Developer

Is there a way to tell what kind of shield someone has? Like does it flash a different color or something on hit?
I could see it getting annoying if you are losing fights to purple shields without knowing that's the case. In the playtest I never knew if someone had green or blue shields on. You can only really tell by how much damage they are taking

>>724242505
the finals was entirely whining-driven, I quit when the meta became nothing but triple medium teams spamming turrets, defibs, mines and grenades because they kept nerfing everything that rewarded skill expression and dynamism
this is my only worry, sanding things down until you can't recognize the original fun anymore

>>724242743
the best shield is literally like 5% better than the worst shield

>>724242743
I don't think so. If there was, it was far too subtle to tell. That's a change a really want, too. having some kind of info on the max health your target has is kinda crucial.

>>724242702
It used to be on their website but it looks like it's been fully redesigned. There was a page about all the tech they were using in Arc that explained the texture scans, AI voices, and machine learned physics animations on the bots

>>724242897
the Blue shield has double the health of the green shield. I think purple will be 3x a green

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>>724242897
>>724242743
there's not enough difference between shields for it to really matter unless they're using heavy shields and the 15% speed penalty isn't worth it

medium shields are a reward for making a non-free loadout and are literally only 2.5% better

>>724242984
did you play the server slam

>>724242897
not even close nigga, light to medium is 50 to 80, plus it's more efficient at mitigating damage so you're less likely to go down with the shield still on
those extra points make a huge difference too, I tanked many encounters and outlived everyone that jumped me and I could just keep blasting them with my shotty while they had to wait an eternity to reload
I'll go full hulk mode and it'll be hilarious, I love this shit

>>724243086
Going from 40-70 shield charge is pretty helpful. That's what I meant by double health but I guess it's slightly less than that. I didn't know about purple shields being kinda shit though

>>724243146
>nigga
be nice

>>724243210
they'll probably be tuned down even more for full release but we'll see

better gear in general is really marginal improvements at best and cost a lot of weight and speed, this isn't apex legends

>>724243086
>only 2.5% better
you mean 75% better just from charge alone, plus the better mitigation
it makes a huge difference in practice too, it usually means you'll facetank one extra clip and win every fair encounter against a light

>>724243086
>completely ignoring the almost doubled shield health from light to medium
What? Even without any extra mitigation that is still almost double the shield to take damage

Strangely, I hopped on the latest test only, and I was only extraction camped once in the "tutorial" questing zone and I was so used to it happening in other games that I left my trash in a bush, so the jumpers didn't get anything. After that, I was either walking in on blaring extractions in progress, or the missile ARC was.

>>724243454
hard to tell what the meta will be at this point but I seriously doubt exit camping will be prevalent since TTK is high and drones always swarm the elevators, making looting basically impossible

>>724243438
>light shield pops in 1.42 ferro shots
>medium shield pops in 3 ferro shots
>not enough difference

Genuine retard.

The maps are tiny.
Buried city map looks like fuckong cancer because of third person corner peeking.
Third person extract camping is shit.

>>724243210
>>724243287
Are you guys just completely ignoring the skill tree with invalidates the "speed reduction" penalty on the FIRST point in mobility?

>>724238627
>devised traps/mazes
You think you're playing Showdown or something, what fucking mazes are you making?

>>724243634
lucky for you all the other extraction shooters are fps so you can play one of those

and Buried City was kino. the subway extracts are more fun than the elevators

>>724243086
if the numbers stay like that then medium will be the obvious meta and any lights around are unfortunate freebies, heavy might have some very niche use in autistic ranked squads minmaxxing healing but I don't see it being a regular thing

Why has no game besides Scum ever been able to do anything about corners in third person?

>>724242838
The Finals has such fun baseline destruction that I don't understand why everything else leans into this quasi-CoD format with how spammy its gadgets and combat feels. I enjoy cashbox but I would much rather just have a casual TDM mode you can throw on like TF2 and fuck around

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>>724243751
devs dont care

>>724243751
because it's a non-issue that does not require "fixing"

>>724243821
every other tps worked fine without this
if you hate to and only play fps, fine, but that's not a fault of the game. you wouldn't say Mario Kart is a shitty racing game because it doesn't have the tire simulation of iRacing. it's a different type of game

>>724243583
Anon you have to read the text properly and not be a genuine retard yourself. I'm pointing out that
>only small percentile difference between shield levels
is completely ignoring shield health

>>724236393
>-ACK Raiders

>>724243821
looks stupid and buggy, what's with npc retards always spamming their retarded "fixes" to games they don't play? I hate backseaters so much

>>724243702
You can chain deployable walls together. The first thing I did when I found this out was create a phalanx of walls around the extraction terminal that you have to climb in and out of.

Is it retarded? Yes
Did it work? Yes

I don't care about loot grinding, I want to fuck with people in funny ways and maybe get their loot after. You can also continuously chain them, so I bought in a friend and we made a 6-chain wall around the most contested extract

>>724236393
What is it even about?

>>724243957
I wasn't talking to you.

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>>724243821
This still makes people easier to spot in 3rd person you fucking retards.It makes it EVEN EASIER

>go into 3rd person
>keep eyes on the environment
>SEE A PLAYER INSTANTLY CLIP INTO VIEW
You are all so fucking retarded. Shut the fuck up forever

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>>724244186
>What is it even about?
foid detected

>>724244257
then why did you quote him

>>724244186
people gooned to VR mrbeast game shows so much that AI decided to exterminate all of humanity

>>724244382
Because I was talking about the man he quoted.

>>724244279
>This still makes people easier to spot in 3rd person you fucking retards.It makes it EVEN EASIER
???? you cant see the player unless you peek out, thats how it works. so you cant get free information by hiding behind a corner, if you want to see a player you need to peek. how is that easier than being able to see the player entirely from behind the wall?

>>724244540
because our human eyes are better at spotting sudden changes than small movements in a static scene. your brain is literally better at spotting the man who flashes into existence than a man who was always visible but hiding

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>>724243751
I've been experimenting with a prototype

>>724244540
What he means is that even if the enemy is hiding somewhere, you can now see their pixels pop in visually and abruptly, meaning that dark mass you could mistake as another or part of terrain is now obviously a player because what the hell else pops in like a player does?

>>724244754
maybe your game shouldn't be third person if you think the perspective is inherently flawed and needs to be solved

>>724244540
your dumbass "solution" isn't necessary in a game that doesn't even have first person view and visibility isn't designed around line of sight you thirdie troglodyte

>>724244754
I still don't think this is a "problem" that needs to be "solved" but I guess at least you're being proactive and not just trolling on forums all day

>>724244986
It's not a problem if you have a fast paced arena shooter. It's a problem when a game pretends to have any tactical gameplay value.

>>724245184
what problem are you trying to fix exactly
the FPS dynamic of dumbly facing everything straight ahead isn't even tactical if tactics is your problem, in real life you have many tells beyond pure line of sight that don't exist in a game which allows you to properly get a jump on someone around a corner, therefore making FPS less tactical

>>724244687
>>724244864
sounds like it disadvantages campers which is another extra bonus. plus scum also had a system where if a player is stationary and in camo, he turns invis which is another good system so players cant abuse pop-ins with shrubbery.
why cant you admit that 3rd person corner peeking is bad and retarded?

>>724245184
that's why most tactical shooters instead opt for first person perspectives
but you know what games I loved when growing up? SOCOM. those managed to be tense and tactical from a third person perspective, and they didn't need to do any crazy fog of war effects on my eyeballs when I was in cover. TLoU Factions was a great competitive multiplayer mode that not only had third person corner peeking as an intended mechanic, it had a listening mode that was effectively short range wall hacks. But everyone has the same perspective and tools, so it remains balanced.

I don't understand this insistence that games must all adhere to the same strict design choices. I'm so tired of the entire industry becoming this boring homogenized mess and it is this kind of thinking that got us here

>>724245184
>I'll punish players for positioning themselves to gain a tactical advantage, surely this will make them play more tactically

>>724245184
why are you gay?

>>724245395
Those games did not have gear that dropped on death and possible dozens of hours wiped out because a guy could completely wall hack with no counter play. Usually games with wall hack abilities are just that, abilities with cooldowns and timers. Here no such thing and it turns firefights into lame corner popping too.

>>724245362
>it disadvantages campers
>oh and there's a mechanic that makes you invisible when stationary
what do you think camping even is lol

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why do tacticool milsim retards seethe so much over high ttk and 3rd person?

>>724245558
>>oh and there's a mechanic that makes you invisible when stationary
that was another entirely different mechanic and implementing some sort of LoS mechanic does disadvantage campers if implemented soley on its own.

>>724236534
It's a concord-lite

>>724245596
because they're gay nigger faggots with tiny dicks and no bitches

>>724245550
those games also have the main objective of "kill the other guys" while Arc's primary objective, and all extraction games for that matter, is to survive. Third person gives more defensive options. It does punish aggressive pushes. That seems to be intentional.
Maybe it's just that people who want an Esports competitive shooter aren't ever getting that from this game, and they should look elsewhere entirely

>>724245550
you know players have wallhacks or third person peeking if the game tells you that, how can you fail to adapt and counter play what the game explicitly tells you? learn to corner sweep, breach with grenades and literally everything else the game gives you
you are championing for less tactical gameplay and turning it into an arena shooter by making cover less useful

>>724241793
I like that I can make it a new kind of experience depending on how I want to play. Am I looking for a chill-out, just loot and scoot kinda night? Or am i wanting to just kill players? maybe i'm feeling a pve night with the boys. it just has a lot of options when a lot of games just have one

Its alright, I think there isn't too much long term enjoyment cause the type of customization you have is limited. Half the fun of Tarkov is decking out a weapon, even if its a cheapo kit, to maximize its output

behead milsim faggot niggers and always remind them of what they are

>>724245596
High TTK mean the first team to down someone can basically bumrush the other team and instantly win
3rd person favor a super-defensive meta of holding corners

>>724245434
>ha ha just play knowing that there is a potential invisible camera floating around any angle
>this is very tactical, I swear!
It's not a "tactical advantage", it's abusing the camera.

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>>724245895
>nooooo why can't every game be like my favorite fartnite console slop!
Git gud.

>>724245920
This has a defib for quick revives but yeah the team who gets the most early damage can play around alot more especially with offensive utility.

People also forget we didn't have all the throwable types, TT2 had a snitch grenade or something and you could throw 4-5 to spawn a shit ton of wasps on someone

>>724245793
>you know players have wallhacks or third person peeking if the game tells you that, how can you fail to adapt and counter play what the game explicitly tells you? learn to corner sweep, breach with grenades and literally everything else the game gives you
>you are championing for less tactical gameplay and turning it into an arena shooter by making cover less useful
>making cover less useful
Cover will still be entirely useful you dumb fuck. And likely the guy wall camping will still come out on top because he still has peekers advantage, just not FULL BLOWN WALL HACKING and being able to line up his crosshairs exactly on the guy as he pops out. Thats the difference. One the guy still has the advantage from a careless misplay but still needs to line up the shot when he pops out versus one guys getting a gurantee kill and getting vital info at no risk to his body. And anybody talking about
>muh you have wall hacks too like in other games
Yes in Valorant both players can activate wallhack abilities and see each other, in this game only one player sees the other completely behind the safety of a wall. How do you not understand this?

>>724246009
>noo why can't every game be like my favorite Tarkov slop
we can all be retarded fags, but what's the point?
just play your game and fuck off

>>724246086
I don't play unity garbage.

>>724246009
ah yes fortnite, the third person game known for passive play because the perspective is just an insurmountable advantage against aggressors, fortnite is not known for spastic zoomers zooming around

>>724246082
>only one player sees the other completely behind the safety of a wall
that's a ridiculous and insane scenario you have now added. Someone getting caught in the open really doesn't have shit to do with the camera anymore.
Both players can corner peek each other
If you are caught out of cover that sucks and can happen in any game. Might as well say games should alert you when someone aims from off screen. Wait, CoD really DOES have this. So play that game instead bro problem solved.

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I am extremely excited for the game. The PVP is the number one reason. Its an amazing game. Just like other highly competitive games, it will only appeal to those with the skills to play it. PvE cucks will cry.

>>724246082
>Cover will still be entirely useful you dumb fuck. And likely the guy wall camping will still come out on top because he still has peekers advantage
yes? how is that a problem? why shouldn't the guy who positioned himself better have an advantage against the npc failing to play tactically? you know that a corridor always has two walls on each end, right?

>crossing field
>leaper and 2 wasps patrolling to my right
>get shot from my left
>throw lure grenade directly at the person who shot me
>leaper aggros
>it leaps onto me and the wasps gun me down
so what exactly is the point of these retarded grenades?

>>724246350
you had any friendly extracts? I think my favorite part of player interactions has been all the friendly people just doing a quest or helping take out drones. Like half the solo players I met were chill. All squads are kill on sight unsurprisingly

>>724246623
I'm not going to bother explaining how retarded you are, you'll figure it out eventually

>>724246082
blows my mind that there are still kids who make up entirely hypothetical scenarios in their head about games they didn't even play to justify whatever preferences and icks they have regarding their other favorite games that don't even play remotely the same, time is a flat circle

>>724246623
Exactly what they're named after. They lure things.
They are not called "transfer already active aggro to something else grenades".

>>724246346
>that's a ridiculous and insane scenario you have now added.
That happens all the time though. Especially as the game is entirely revolved around going inside building to get good loot. So you're supposed to be tossing grenades behind every corner because some guy is wall hacking? What a ridiculous expectation.
>If you are caught out of cover that sucks and can happen in any game.
Yes and the difference between any other game? They dont get free info behind the safety of the corner. They need to peek their head out of cover if they want to see where the enemy is, if they want to shoot them down. They can hear them but they cant see them so they have to expose themselves and still line up their shot when they peek.
>BUT YOU CAN WALL HACK TOO IN BATTLE
Yes and thats lame, as every battle revovled around whoever had the most grenades won. Pushing entirely limited because of the wall hacking. Made firefights very stale. In games where info isnt given for free, you could still push and play aggresively and make plays. Here you cant unless you have a million grenades.

>free kit
>playing solo
>run into another solo
>we work together to extract while dodging rocketeer
>get onto elevator
>shoot him in the back while he is on the console
>get loads of good gear
This shit is way faster than just plain looting

>>724246887
I really don't know how people manage to establish cease-fires.
I'm way too fucking paranoid.

>>724246705
I knocked out a solo during the last tech test WHILE ANOTHER GUY was opening the extract and he asked me not to kill him so I let him crawl into the extract and the other guy just saw us both and said nope and ran away LOL and I told him its chill come back and extract and we all left together.

>>724246851
>Yes and thats lame, as every battle revovled around whoever had the most grenades won
This did not happen but it should, as grenades are a tactical option that should be encouraged.
I still fail to see any problem with the hypotheticals you keep bringing up, you want a more head-on arena shooter which is fine but you're looking at the wrong game and genre.

>>724246851
>They need to peek their head out of cover if they want to see where the enemy is
But they do have to poke their head out to shoot, and in that moment the disadvantaged player can still return fire. I seriously do not understand how your core argument is
>but what if I'm walking across a field with no cover?
like yeah that's a risky spot. you'll spend 99% of your time in game NOT doing that and instead navigating areas that are nothing but cover. You don't have to like the perspective and you don't have to play tps games but it's not like they fundamentally don't work or something

>>724236393
This is the first game I pre-ordered in about 6 years. What got me most is the sound design. Voip, robots, effects, gunfire, every bit of audio is dependent on its environment and will be echoey or muffled and it all sounds so insanely good. The robots got trained with machine learning causing them to react naturally to getting parts blown off, which will cause them to miss a shot if you time it right. There's a lot of impressive stuff in this game, though I wish they added the destructability of the Finals. Haven't seen any buildings collapse yet.

My biggest issue so far is the 3rd person camera, which is gonna encourage some people to just sit behind a wall waiting for you to be done looting a place so they can blap you when you come out. But otherwise I'm very hopeful about this game.

>>724246961
have a streamer mic and charisma
no mic = shoot on sight

>>724246979
Yeah those moments are really cool to me. That's the one thing that is always missing from Tarkov. Only scavs ever try to be nice and even still only sometimes. The local voice chat is very kino

>>724246961
>running at some gunfire
>as I near it I hear a flute
>brought in a flute myself for the memes
>run up to the other guy, we play flute together
>we get shot by another solo
>we take him down together
>we both play flute on his downed body
>we play flute all the way to the extract

sure, you're gonna have shitbirds like >>724246887 abusing friendships to get More Loot, because loot is all that matters to them. But you can get some really nice teamups with people who don't care too much about that stuff if you bring in a flute.

>>724247019
>as grenades are a tactical option that should be encouraged.
And guess what, in games that have dont have free info you can still toss grenades too. But you also have other options, suppression, sneaking. In this game none of that because you just get a free wallhack and grenades basically remain the ONLY and viable option. You cant sneak across while your teammates lay down suppressive fire or maneuver around because they have a god camera.
>>724247032
>But they do have to poke their head out to shoot, and in that moment the disadvantaged player can still return fire. I seriously do not understand how your core argument is
Are you being dense? The player behind the wall lines up his crosshair before he peeks because he knows exactly where you are. In other games, they can hear you but cant see you so they still need to guess where you are. Thats the difference. Stop being retarded.

Game will fail. Solo you cant kill the big PVE shit.

>>724247291
I just don't think this is the game for you, bud. Sorry.
If you want to try a different extraction shooter check out Arena Breakout Infinite. It's first person and has good QOL features and it's free. And it's UE4 so it runs pretty good and isn't Unity slop.

>>724247291
>you can still toss grenades too
Which you won't because you are a headless chicken with zero awareness.

>suppression, sneaking. In this game none of that
You are currently complaining that people can be sneakier and have suppressive fire advantage thanks to the perspective so what do you want exactly?

>The player behind the wall lines up his crosshair before he peeks because he knows exactly where you are
Learn to position yourself better and watch for the signs that someone has been around, I hope this helps!

>>724247252
what range does the flute attract arc from?

>>724247598
No clue, there weren't really many robos around while we were there

>>724247598
farther than I expected that's for sure.

>>724236393
The PVP is too mid to grant the game staying power. It simply doesn't spike your pulse like other extraction shooters.
Once people get accustomed to the atmosphere and bot behaviour youll have 15k monthly at best. The hype is simply due to the oversloppening of multiplayer games.

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ok you know what the fucking robots are absurd. they are tanky. they do too much damage. there are too fucking many of them. FUCK THE PVE PUSSIES that want this bullshit. There should NOT be any stupid ass fucking robots that are constantly draining my resources or giving away my position. Or if they NEED to keep them for the pve pussy faggots, at least make the robots die in one shot. i lost my goddamn mind trying to pvp and getting harassed by these little fucks and rolling around like a prick because they have literal aimbots

>>724246887
>t.DS3 grapist

>>724247795
just play a normal battle royale if you don't like the robots. Like Pubg or something.

>>724247547
>Which you won't because you are a headless chicken with zero awareness.
Sure just toss grenades into every corner because someone can get free info at no cost to themself.
>You are currently complaining that people can be sneakier and have suppressive fire advantage thanks to the perspective so what do you want exactly?
Some sort of line of sight system would immediately solve many complaints and issues. Would make firefights more dynamic, can have more fluid engagements instead of two people corner holding with the god camera because they cant get info for free.
>Learn to position yourself better and watch for the signs that someone has been around, I hope this helps!
Retard, it doesnt just affect camping situations but also regular firefights. Go watch any stream or if youve played the game yourself, firefights constantly boiled down to someone holding a corner and throwing nades. Every other game that doesnt have wall hacking because of the camera has much more dynamic firefights and more options too and youre happy those options are taken away and gladly defend the shortcoming of 3rd person perspective because????? It can be solved but you just dont want to because???? It can still be 3rd person without the retarded god camera.

>>724247795
shoot their weak points dumbass
let me guess, you were using light ammo against bots?

>>724247907
The game is already fluid thanks to the tactical positioning and tools and high TTK and no one is holding corners because nothing in the game encourages holding corners randomly, you get jumped on because someone realized you were around before you did, making you the inferior tactical player.
Please stop yapping about a game you haven't played, it's really dumb and silly.

>>724247795
stop shooting the armor plates and hit the thrusters, I'm not sure they even have a core health but if they do it's like 10x higher than the weak points

>>724248097
>The game is already fluid thanks to the tactical positioning and tools and high TTK and no one is holding corners because nothing in the game encourages holding corners randomly, you get jumped on because someone realized you were around before you did, making you the inferior tactical player.
>Please stop yapping about a game you haven't played, it's really dumb and silly.
>High TTK
Because you dont get one tapped its high ttk? Sure you can get two tapped but its high ttk because its not one. Shields dont even stop 100% of the damage, damage still bleeds through and the sniper or the deagle took away half your health with good well placed shots. Firefights DID consist of holding corners and nade lobbing. Play the game or watch any millions of the streamers that played the game. All could be solved and fights made more dynamic but nooooo you MUST defend 3rd person and not make any adjustments BECAUSE YOU JUST CANT OKAY!?

>>724236393
>Totally organic thread

>>724248552
Stop yapping.

That'll be $40 + battlepass + premium currency + in game store + tip

>>724247795
If you're strapped for ammo why are you even expecting to kill every arc and raider you see? The bots aren't popcorn to fill dead time, they're there to fuck you up and you're expected to avoid them unless you specifically need their components.

i think it'll have great initial success but little staying power

i played 2 games of it, first game i encountered no other players, second game i ran into one and had a really stupid fight where we both just tried to avoid each other behind pillars while we both reloaded the shit guns

>>724248628
I accept your concession

>>724240147
there's 225 posts in this thread and this is the only image posted of the game
what the FUCK
IMAGE BOARD, people

>>724248832
There definitely isn't that much staying power, the actual PVP isn't great or memorable. Honestly feels like TLOU MP a little with the third person and sneaking around

>>724237175
Hunt Showdown solved that problem though. You can use more than a dozen tools to draw them out of hiding or if you're playing proactively and have the bounty, you get to see them hiding. It's more of a skill issue at this point

>>724248832
I had a few dud runs with nothing happening but every fight has been funny and chaotic, there's a lot of variability which will filter out casuals who just expect a mindless shooter that serves them the fun. (and that's a good thing)

>>724248923
it's not out yet, there's nothing to see
also 90% of the appeal is in the audio and fucking hiro still doesn't allow for webms with sound

Is this the next Concord/lawbreakers/dustborn/that AI game shooter that got cancelled a while ago?

>>724249258
>180k players playing the free playtest
no

>>724249258
no that's marathon, the zeitgeist already decided that game must die regardless of how good or bad it turns out

>>724249258
nah this game is actually competently designed even if the aesthetic is ugly as fuck and somewhat woke

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extraction shooter but it takes place on a deadspace-eqsue derelict station in space

extraction shooter but set during an alien invasion and the aliens are super high tech

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>>724249585
>XCOM2 extract shooter
My dream game desu
Atleast arc is close enough

>>724249431
there's a teased indoor map which will probably be a sort of story intermission revealing the next map
I doubt they'll go that far shaking up the formula of outdoorsy-region-with-buildings-around but a space station map would be cool as fuck, it would fit nicely too since space exploration is already a big theme in the game and there's already a space port map

>>724249408
it actually kinda pisses me off
I like the sounds design, I like the guns(free kit shit aside), I like the ui(or maybe I just like that it only occupies the bottom corners rather than blast me with fingerless glove meters), I like that it ran pretty well, I like that the hub is just a screen rather than some dogshit destiny tower thing where I have to run back and forth
but at the end of the day it's still a $40 extraction shooter that'll have a playercount of like 5 in a few months

RETARDS NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP GOD DAMN

>>724249928
if something as trashy and gooky as dark and darker managed to sustain a playerbase I don't see why this won't

>>724250448
dark and darker is/was actually unique though

>>724250448
before its more recent pop-off it was at like 3k players daily peak.

>>724249368
>Marathon
Right, that's the game I was thinking of with my last phrase
I'm thinking this way because arc raiders has had no marketing and just came out of nowhere. So it's probably paid shills. Battlefield 6 had almost a million on the free betatest but look how it turned out

>>724248923
that's not even arc raiders lmfao

>>724250592
>Battlefield 6 had almost a million on the free betatest but look how it turned out
330k CCU? Yeah so bad.

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>>724250620
It litterally is
I just didnt take a lot of ss

>>724250592
arc raiders has been around for years, dunno what people mean by no marketing when embark had huge ads and announcements in every game awards show for both the finals and arc, anyone autistic enough should be at least aware of these games

>>724250592
>600k peak beta
>400k peak today 2 weeks after release
lmao how fucking dumb are you

>>724250592
>Battlefield 6 had almost a million on the free betatest but look how it turned out
400k on steam alone, tf you mean

>>724250836
>lost 200k after 2 weeks
so it'll have 0 players in 4 weeks

>>724236393
>Concordesque aesthetic
>shitty name
>extraction shooter
Dead on arrival.

>>724250448
dark and darker is free

>>724250984
Actually it gained 200k in 12h, which mean that in around 41y every single human will be playing BF6

>third person pvp
dead on arrival

How come you guys don't have a cp bot in your threads but marathon does?
Seems a little unfair.

Fortnite derivative, definitely for autists. I see one having an incel meltdown about “milsims” here now lmao

>>724251182
it's a demo disguised as a free game, d&d has the worst monetization and development direction known to manit's actually crazy how much the game fights against you and begs you to stop playing, I caught a glimpse of why south korea has the highest suicide rate in the world

>>724251957
>it's a demo disguised as a free game,
Its a pretty good "demo" I mean arena blows and so does high rolller. You get access to normals which is also way better than squire to riches anyways, no retarded BR circle. The real downside is one character slot.

>>724251923
Damn, marathonchads I kneel

>>724236595
Shit Lost Planet was so good. Was it not successful? Why did they not make more after the 2nd one?
>>724236884
No it isnt

>>724236393
I liked it a lot and preordered it which is something I haven't done since Skyrim.
It felt really casual friendly which is nice, losing your loot isn't to punishing since white weapons like the ferro and stitcher are good and basically free plus you can get endless free kits. Even if you get your ass blown out in a round you still get exp or quest progress so you feel like you didn't waste your time.
Being able to enjoy the game solo is especially nice.
Arcs were very fun to fight and they're already talking about putting in more that they've been working on and new enemies to fight is way more interesting than just a new map or a new gun.
The sound and visuals are all great and it's insanely well optimized. My 10 year old card can get over 60 on high, I think how well the game is optimized show these devs are actually super talented when we get slop like borderlands 4 struggling to run on maxed out rigs.
Definitely see myself playing this game for the next few years on and off, doing a wipe to see the new maps and fight the new arc fresh.
My only complaint is the outfits in the server slam were almost all really gay. Hopefully the gay outfits are just the starter ones, the ones shown on decks or whatever all looked better.

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>>724242918

So this is like lost planet ?

>>724253369
crapcom kills off successful games and franchises all the time are you really surprised

>>724254006
no

>>724253793
I'll be sporting the cowboy with a bedroll backpack, then just go for anything that makes me look as old and decrepit as possible because it's funny and will contrast against the usual meta of wearing the most garish and edgy stuff possible

DUCKOV SWEEPS

>>724236393
go back nigger

>>724254482
YOU GO BACK NIGGER

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>>724236393
The only thing worse than Friendslop/Squad slop are games that are like

>"Tee hee of course we have a solo only high skilled queue mode, but woops it puts you in the same games as the squad sloppers! Guess you lose, thanks for the 40$!"

>>724255659
Except this doesn't do that? Its solos vs solos, trio vs trio. Duos got screwed though

>>724255659
okay but what does that have to do with arc raiders

>>724255728
>>724255832

The "solo" mode isn't exclusively solo players, sorry you're just finding this out for your new squadslop game you're excited for.

>>724256235
have you tried reading before posting you dumbshit >>724242461

>>724256235
>The "solo" mode isn't exclusively solo players
I havent encountered a single team while playing as solo during the server test

>>724236393
it mogs marathon and it's not even a good game

>>724239683
>The thing I'm most concerned about is enemy variety. They said they would add more maps, guns, and enemies over time but only having like 5 types of robots feels pretty lame.
This. Especially since we know what a queen is like, which going by the name would be the 2nd most (or 1st using chess logic) dangerous bot.

https://youtube.com/shorts/5rEGIPh93Ak

>>724237175
this
the only reason i ever play in extraction mode in any game (in meha break) is to farm mission for credit
(alphard is op and break whole storm mode)

>>724240892
You're right, you've seen too much shit you've never played. Maybe you should fuck off back to /pol/ and not come back after you play a videogame

>>724255659
>>724256235
Have you tried not shooting at three dudes sticking closely together without shooting each other?

>>724240439
This isn't a good thing. Streamers are a plight and leaving your game to be marketed by them is a bad choice

>>724256235
>>724255659
Those are people teaming up in solos you fucking retard, not literally duo queues. Theres an entire mechanic for it

>>724241065
Yea the player that is walking up to that corner has the advantage of being able to hit the other player before vice versa.

>>724258124
Just because you hate the idea of streamers doesnt mean they arent helpful for the sale of your game. Dont be obtuse.

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>>724236393
>80s space race nostalgia cringe
>designed for tablets negative space UI
>body type A/B barely distinguishable
>half the NPCs are brown or female
>troonbot trader
>"enlist resist"
Goyslop from niggerhell

LOL at the people finding out that the "solo" mode isn't exclusively solo players.

>ARC is by far not the only threat topside, there are other Raiders up there, as well. Maybe you can make a friend or two, but watch your back as other Raiders are competing for the same loot. You can choose to go alone or as a squad of up to 3 players, all viable in different ways.The matchmaking will prioritize Squad vs. Squads and Solos vs. Solos.

https://arcraiders.com/es/news/everything-you-need-to-know/

>>724259061
nice dumb spic niggerbabble, why are mexicans like this?

>>724258595
They can be helpful, but they can also be adverse. That's why you shouldn't be relying entirely on them, they need to know their fucking place.

>>724242056
lol, u mad shill?

I wish this game didn't have so much trash loot honestly
Also the existence of the "combat" addon just discourages looting in general for everyone when your opponent can have like 50% more HP than you

>>724259793
Its all for crafting shit. The only actual useless items are the diamond ones you sell

>>724260253
I get that but still there's like 30 items you shouldn't loot over the valuables you should and it feels like every container you loot has like 6 items in it

>>724260253
is there a bunch of unreleased (not future plans roadmap whatever) content that wasn't in the tests? tons of "crafting" items' only use is recycling into generic usable parts.

>>724260540
In games like these got go in with a specific thing in mind, unless something is so valuable you NEED to take it like blueprints or really nice guns.
>>724261013
TT2 had like 75% of the game. The last test basically had none. You get a fabricator to turn low tier items into higher tier ones.

>>724237667
i don't give a fuck if they loot me or not, wtf are you talking about? I played and it's annoying as fuck getting sniped at from 3 different angles while drones buzz around your face every time you hit the fucking button

easy reason not to play right there, games are supposed to be fun not annoying cancer bullshit

>>724242030
>reply to two anons
>combine them both to make it seem like it was one post regarding a different question
fuck off, retard

>>724261136
>You get a fabricator to turn low tier items into higher tier ones.
that has nothing to do with scrap items that had the "Can be recycled into crafting materials." tooltip. I see roughly 60 on the item list. I'm sure some will have secondary use like a quest or a rare blueprint, but there's still tons of loot that is just filler.

>>724261136
>In games like these
I have like a 1000 hours in Tarkov, I guarantee you I don't have to go in with a specific thing in mind unless I do quests

>>724261521
have you tried not exposing yourself when there are drones around

>>724236393 swedecuck shill
>If you don't like the game then you are narcissist bigot!
>>724254546 bungietroon shill
>If you don't like the game you are nexon pajeet!
I wonder who will win the most obnoxious shill of the year award, even BL4, KCD2, VTMB2, Asscreed or even KF3 marketers weren't as annoying as you

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>>724237364
>is going to
>hasn't been a problem for all three tests
did you have a dream about what release is going to change, or are you to poor to play games when they were free?

>>724261723
the spic is mad he got called out for what he is lmao

>>724261575
>can be recycled
Those are used in other recipes. Like the metal springs, you can recycle them down but other recipes or even upgrading a weapon will require them.

>>724261576
and I guess you don't here either? You can go in, sell all the random shit you loot and buy from vendors. I have 2k in Tarkov and the #1 problem with trying to craft alot if just the timers. Arc has timers, but for the higher tier shit or crafting hatch keys. If I want to craft a single weapon, it shouldn't take an hour or more.

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>>724236393
Hey Embark developer, all I'm asking is that you don't make the same mistake you did with The Finals where you stupidly listened to the handful of steam forum chuds and completely gut aim assist on controller then all of sudden those same dummies ask why the game's population is down.

The Finals could take the hit since it's a low player match based game, extraction shooter not so much if you want it populated beyond the first month. Either head this warning or have the game have the same fate as the Finals where nobody plays it until some random youtuber makes a 20 minute video every 2 years as to why the game is undepreciated then a dozen people play it for a weekend only to drop it after an hour of play time.

>>724236393
It's gonna be a hit. The playtest had a constant of 100,000+ players on steam. I really like it because my friends are too shit and retarded for an Extraction game. Not saying this is easier, but the TPS view aids their spatial awareness.

>>724261723
You can always ignore those threads, nigger. Arc is coming out in a week and Marathon has an active playtest rn. It's natural for someone to post about it.

>>724248989
>You can use more than a dozen tools to draw them out of hiding
I don't think arc raiders had these sorts of items. you're genuinely fucked if you accidentally aggro some bots and try to extract while some camping faggots are already waiting for you at the map exit
also I hole they add more extracts than elevators and hatches

>>724238627
>light-parkour elements
I hope the game has more risk-reward elements in the level design where you can use movement & momentum to your advantage

>>724243086
>15% speed penalty isn't worth it
Does it stack with other movement penalties like equipped weapons?
IIRC you could run significantly faster with no weapon equipped

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I think the game will be a hit with casuals cause it's just fun to explore and shoot at robots even with the free kits. Content mill streamers will kill the game though for longterm players like they did to The Finals.

The movement feels slower than molasses. I am puzzled as to why every single extract shooter never experiments with funner movement. If valve can add fun and fast movement to a moba of all things, i'm sure embark could figure out a way to make moving around feel fun.

>>724264341
>Content mill streamers will kill the game though for longterm players like they did to The Finals.
elaborate on this, pls
Finals is good despite the garbage streamers and content creator scene around it.

>>724264560
it's lame because the platforming tech is there, you can climb around objects very well like the Finals, but it costs too much stamina, there's only one spot where it's actually neat and useful off the top of my head, and I think they removed that one spot anyway.

>>724264341
How did streamers kill The Finals? The numbers are the highest they've ever been. Goin in duos with a bro or solo and voiping at random has been a grand time.

>>724264560
>The movement feels slower than molasses
I had exactly this component until I realized that equipped weapons slow you down. Having no gun/hatchet equipped AND extra points stamina makes you lightning fast

>>724264837
>platforming tech is there
you can slide into jumps, grab ledges, roll on drops etc. Paired with extra sprint speed, that is plenty of movement that can differentiate players' skill level

>>724264560
They have a grappling hook that's like a super rare item that you can craft with hard to get parts. I think having crazier movement in an extraction shooter just means you're flicking your mouse and get out of any situation after being a retarded faggot. That's not good.

>>724264849
They mobilized their fanbases to get niche weapons nerfed because it didnt fit the 'CoD with destruction' game they wanted.

>>724265068
>flicking your mouse and get out of any situation
I think they can somewhat balance this since IF advanced movement tech required you to unequip your weapon. More of a risk/reward kind of thing.

>>724265231
>niche weapons nerfed
fuck meleefags. The Finals is a SHOOTER game. Embark are still retards when it comes to weapon balance, though. Sucks that light has is literally the only two-shot class while other classes get to pound sand.

>>724265231
I have 1000 hours and only niche weapon is sniper rifle and spear. If you're talking about sword or some heavy tech then I have no idea what you're talking about. Only thing I don't like is Kyoto.

>>724236393
I had a pretty fun evening with two friends trying it on the last day, the fact looting only takes 5-10 minutes makes losses from dying less impactful but still enough to care about it and for the rest you seem to be able to accumulate resources easily enough and extract with it with the player density on any given match.

We were very much shoot on sight after a while though because half the players kept aggroing us immediately and we didn't want to pay the price getting caught unaware. For some reason my friends had a much bigger difficulty staying alive than me so I ended up extracting solo a few times and in other matches I was basically the one healing them constantly after fights because they had no resources themselves.

Kinda didn't engage in PvE too hard, didn't try to take on a harvester for the players, did one night match and it was very tense but fun. I hope they don't nerf the PvE at all, they're very good punishers in a lot of areas if you start to murderhobo.

I also like the visuals more than other extraction shooters, despite me being a hardcore furfaggot and I think every game can use furfag races. I hope they don't clown it up with the cosmetics like some games like PubG do.

>>724265068
There's more to skill-based movement than just pressing a button to grapple, ya know?

>>724265675
tl;dr I think they're doing a lot of things right that make people refreshingly like it. I'll be interested to see how that works out 2-3 months after release when the playerbase has matured and they maybe implemented a matchmaking algorithm, my chances for survival and my fun might diminish a lot if I start encountering only people equal to my level that tend to have better reaction speed than me vs my ability to often be better at positioning.

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>>724265620
>Only thing I don't like is Kyoto.
best looking map with the worst performance

>>724264560
It's because extraction shooters are a weakness fantasy, not a power fantasy. Being able to fly 100s of meters and bhop across the map is cool but not realistic.

>>724265851
Like what, learning obscure three button combos to squeeze in 20% movement speed or to do spastic hitbox manipulation like apex legends seems to have?

>>724265851
I think you're trying to get too much of a skill ceiling introduced into a game that IS supposed to be casual Tarkov. Watching weird movement or going prone on lockers/climbing on non-obvious things would piss me off or would make my fat hog of a friend start sperging out when Embark themselves said the love the moments of dueling or stand off. No, you won't have your tacticool sliding, your shield swapping, your instant shield regen by teammate. Feels more methodical to know he can't just grapple hook around the building, hack the wall, have his heavy come in and winch claw me. It feels balanced enough to get a couple breathes and if I get fucked BALD (which I have before in Arc Raiders) then I see he had a level 3 impreggo or whatever the gun is called.
Sure as fuck beats the bullshit Marathon is, if you sited by UESC or another player you're done for. There's no moment to assess the situation, you're spotted, you're dead. Incredible world design and aesthetic though. Game sucks cock.

>>724244150
Pretty loud idea, I imagine the moment you see a 6-chain wall around the elavator terminal you're not going to use it until the last minute and basically sweep the area thoroughly to find the campers though?
Could you do it even worse and just dump your inventory in some random hidden spot before engaging last minute and then it's basically lose/lose for the campers?

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>>724265981
These guys always kill it with being able to design places with strong personality to them. I was playing BF6 recently and i really couldn't tell you any defining characteristics of any of the maps which was odd. Crazy how much talent this tiny ass relatively unknown studio has right now.

>>724264560
It's intentional
"fun" movement with "skill expression" always end with a bunch of streamers dunking on everyone, it also clash with the apocalyptic setting
Slow and deliberate is better for casuals

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>>724265981
1.Fortune Stadium
2.Las Vegas
3.Monaco
4.Seoul
5.Bernal/Skyway Stadium
6.Kyoto

SysHorizon and Nozomi are in there own league.

>>724267098
Fighting in the fucking parking garage and in the hotel rooms are the greatest spots in Las Vegas. Fuck on top of buildings and in that little stage area. Fortune Stadium is absolutely amazing in every cashout, it's the best parts of all the maps in one map. PHENOMENAL design and the destruction now with smooth destruction introduced made it 10x better. I want to 3D print that fucking map.

>>724266854
>Crazy how much talent this tiny ass relatively unknown studio has right now.
Most of Embark are BF3-BF5 era ex-DICE guys, and it shows.
Also BF5 had some great and iconic maps. No idea what's particularly wrong with the BF6 release maps but the ones they had in the alpha were shit.

>>724263052
the parts the drones drop double as cool ass grenades

the shock one is a drone EMP and also stuns players

the snitch one is like a hive bomb in hunt showdown it just summons a couple wasp drones where it lands

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>>724267098
I agree with your ranking but can you please elaborate on SysHorizon and Nozomi?
>>724267408
>I want to 3D print that fucking map.
Embark would make bank with official Finals merch. What they got so far isn't that cool. I still want those fucking green apple Ospuze cans exclusive to sweden

>>724267836
>the parts the drones drop double as cool ass grenades
really? so much hidden mechanics that I didn't even find out about during the server slam
though to be fair those nades would be a pain to counteract