you underestimate normalfags that pick up flavor of the month games, see also Balatro and REPO

It's the "peak" problem where young people who barely know what good media is just assume everything they consume is amazing without thought. That's why so many shitty games the past few years have gotten popular because kids keep saying they're "peak" for no reason.

but its fun

>>724280286
do you just not like games or something? It's brick break with powerups.

Because the people that play these games are actual retards. Over 7 billion people on this planet. Logically you can infer the quality of most of the individuals, now, imagine how many actually have a decent taste in video games.

>>724280286
>Zoomers thing this shit be bussin
Fucking gayest generation of all time.

>>724280286
No gaming is just full of retards.

>>724280286
To see the correct score you have to change 2 settings now.
First is allow reviews that might be flagged as spam, Second is to turn off the helpfulness system.
Now you can see everything without censorship.

>>724280286
Normies are caught up in vampire survivor variations.

>>724280748
It's a slop roguelike where eventually, through luck, you get so powerful you essentially can't even lose. As always, it's mostly a form of glorified gambling simulator. But it "feels good bro", right?

popular = good game
this is the level of depth that most players think with. you don't have to like the game, I don't like it either. but you should know that reviews scale exponentially. a game having 3k reviews isn't necessarily better than a game with 100, it just means that it was put into the hands of more people, which created a feedback loop of them telling their viewers to try it.
Devolver isn't some unknown plucky publisher, the dev took the partnership with them damn well knowing that their brand will carry the game into the spotlight for long enough for people to latch on.

>>724280926
You seem to think video games are supposed to be some elevated medium or something? What could you have possibly played to raise your expectations for a $15 game to this degree?

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A large number of people liking something is different than people liking something deeply.
Every single person on earth could agree it's "mid", but still consider it good enough to recommend on Steams yes/no reviews.

>A-ARE THOSE PEOPLE ENJOYING A GAME????? AIIIIIEEEEEEE SAVE ME /v/IRGINMAN

>>724280286
That's the problem with steam's binary rating system because mid/whatever games can still rank highly just because they're inoffensive and are good enough I had fun in ball pit tho

you all so ready to shit on this game but i dont see any video game discussion here today, just pornbait and console wars

>>724280286
It's probably just that having a binary review system where everything is either good or bad is flawed, Rotten Tomatoes has the same problem.
Something that is unanimously viewed as 6-7/10 (competently made, inoffensive, no real flaws but not groundbreaking either) will score better than something that is mostly seen as 9-10/10 but is niche or controversial in some way.

A lot of mediocre vns have overwhelmingly positive

>>724280286
the game looks like a boring metaprogression grindfest (and I'm not going to pay to buy that) but it's a huge streamer game right now

>>724280994
You seem to be engaging in a reversed form of sunk cost fallacy. Why dont we do the following, then: I will offer for free shit for you to eat. And you cant complain because of my generosity. And you will review the shit in social media saying how great it is to get something for free and recommend it to others.

Also, download emulators and roms for free and play some good games. Even if you wanna pay to play something like a normie, silksong just came out for 20 bucks and it's quite and quite popular (despite the fanbase)

If you cant have a decent taste even with the media you consume, imagine for far more importantly things?

>>724280286
It's a streamerbait game

>>724281574
1-10 ratings are fucking memes

Just tell me if you think the game is worth paying for or not

>>724280926
its not even an rng simulator it's just a metaprogression simulator which is even worse

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>>724281668
>boring metaprogression grindfest
kinda stings how this describes so much of the roguelike/lite scene these days, shit like spelunky, necrodancer or slay the spire that focuses on player skill seems so rare these days

>>724280286
Fotw streamer game. Megabonk is out now its this

>>724280286
Bought it today since it was on my wish list for a while, fun game but only managed to get 2 runs in since I didn’t have much time to play today.

>>724280994
>You seem to think video games are supposed to be some elevated medium or something?
You and me are simply not the aame. Enjoy your slop little piggy

>>724281705
>>724282005
You're avoiding my question. What game have you played to raise your expectations to such a degree? I want to play that game.

>>724280286
Better than your movieslop, millennial scum

we're in a 'every game is cheap slop' tailspin at the moment

>>724282098
15 dollars game me moon rpg, noita, and rain world(pre dlc). Now kill yourself

it's fun. what dogshit does /v/ play? literally every game is shit or too hard for you all. the only game you all seem to like is the horse gacha game and genshin impact.

>>724281886
Yeahh. Even something like Isaac which has 1000 metaprogress items/trinkets/cards whatever at least takes skill in the forms of dodging and squeezing the juice out of all your resources.
The new wave of metaprogress heavy roguelites that you can turn your brain off to play are so sad.

>>724282246
You mention Noita while complaining about games being a glorified gambling simulators? How about you kill yourself instead? You're bitching for the sake of it. You don't believe a word you're saying.

>>724280748
arkanoid already did it better

>>724282345
Noita is the least gambley of all the roguelites lmao. There's a jap getting 220+ winstreaks in hardcore mode. If you can't find the resources you need to win a game, you're just bad.

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>>724280286
It's a good game. You're just a bitter retard.

>>724282345
>Noita while complaining about games being a glorified gambling simulators?
Holy fucking shit way to out yourself. Never talk to me about fucking video games again you god damn low iq shitter. Noita is incredibly consistent once you kearn to not suck fucking ass. I got to the point where i can beat the game in less than 15 minutes consistently, half the time you dont need a single fucking spell for it. Kill yourself immediately, you destroyed ANY good will you ha dwith this post and confirmed youre a low iq shitter slop enjoyer

>>724282098
Im the guy that replied to you first. I was playing Blue Revolver Double Action yesterday, since Dodonpachi Daioujou was a pain in the ass to deal with in retroarch. Haven't been playing much lately, but before that I was playing the burnout series.

>>724280286
I bought this game, it is very mid.
Im bored and just got to ice zone and beat it first try. Its a shitty brick breaker.
Turns out the roguelike formula has gotten very stale.

>>724282564
>Noita is incredibly consistent once you kearn to not suck fucking ass
The same thing happens with Ball Pit. You walked right into that.

yes but you get to feel like le epic critic

>>724281886
Noita and spelunky are the only good roguelikes.

>>724282428
Yeah, some roguelikes can achieve that through very consistent game design like slice and Dice. But we know that's not true for most of them and in special vampire survivors likes.

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>>724281886
>>724282334
I'd honestly argue that difficulty scaling/design is a prevalent issue with the genre (not even necessarily as of late), which recent roguelites have basically disregarded as a whole. The nature of RNG in roguelites and trying to separate/balance it in accordance to mechanical skill is just an incredibly complex thing.

>>724282736
Not him but Ball X Pit doesn't require a brain to play while Noita does. You can beat Ball X Pit with no hands (similar to one of its inspirations, Vampire Survivors), whereas you wouldn't be able to do the same in Noita.

>>724280926
This is such a pathetic npc fucking way to look at videogames
"Hurr it's gambling hurrrrr you just get lucky and then it's easy" meanwhile the game in question has a bunch of interesting shit to experiment with, excellent presentation, visuals, and music, and is satisfying (yeah, it "feels good", dipshit) to play
"But muh game too easy though", go play iwbtb on repeat till you die, faggot.

724282736
1. I never claimed it was an rng fest. Its a meta progression sim. You should be able to infer this by the fact that two people responded to your god awful "muh elevated medium" post
2. You asked about quality 15 dollar games. I gave you 3. Saying any of those are bad confirms shit tatse also, this is objective.
3. You already outed youreself as a shitter and are not worthy of my presence. not even getting a (You) this time troglodyte

I fucking hate that theres a four ball and relic limit
I hate how short the levels are
And I hate the forced town shit

>>724282719
lmao, the objetive of the game isn't just beat the levels at normal difficulty, you can increase the difficulty everytime you beat one.

>>724280376
fpbp

>>724282990
So you said all this shit but in the end you agree with everything I said. Good to know that I'm right, man. Thanks for recognizing it. Btw I didn't say that the problem is that the game is easy, the old Lego games were quite easy but also enjoyable since you actually fucking played them, unlike your power-fantasy-grindy-meta-progression slop. The game literally requires less of way the more you play to the point you barely needs to play it at all, what the fuck are we doing?

>>724282990
>go play iwbtb on repeat till you die
Unrelated to the whole discussion you guys are having but that game is garbage and it's a shame it's pretty much the only I wanna be the guy fangame everyone knows.

>>724280926
eventually. half the game you still have to aim, and even once you're too powerful to have to aim you still have to not die to projectiles.

>having fun then get to the angel level and mobs steals your fucking special balls
Also doesn’t help I was running sisyphus so no baby balls

they're not fake, they just weigh the same whether it's a 1 word meme review as something with more substance to it, so most people who are autistic enough to break down an actual review don't care.

Ballpits are fucking fun bro man I miss being a toddler and getting to play in ballpits. That game don't look like it's in no ballpit but i'll just assume the art is AI.

>>724280661
Oh, so you mean it's like kino.

>>724280748
I wish it was a good brick breaker

yeah i dont get it
megabonk was better than this shit, and megabonk sucks.
this isnt even satisfying by dopamine-addict standards.

>>724280376
this, they only rate 10/10 or 0/10. it's why sites have moved to thumbs up/down instead of an actual rating system

>>724280286
I mean dogshit like Elden Ring gets good reviews so what do you want?

>>724284957
I looked at megabonk and it looked like if risk of rain 2 was made from the ground up by gearbox instead of them just buying the IP. Don't know how it got so popular these last few days.

>>724280286
A mid game is overwhelmingly positive now because if they even manage to make a mid game is in the top percentile of best games for current year.

>>724280286
>did you enjoy the game
>yes
>no
?

There are a lot of retards here that cannot just have fun with games.

roguelikes have been getting worse in general lately

i blame the retarded success of vampire survivors and balatro into shortcircuiting gamers dopamine receptors

>>724280286
it's not a fake reviews problem, it's a sheep behaviur FOTM flocking problem
I blame celts and germoids descendants

>>724280376
Balatro was great though.

>>724280286
I put my balls in a girl's armpit once and asked her to crush them and it was actually really nice and warm and comfortable, I recommend it. It's all soft tissue in there, like a vagina for the testicles.

>>724280286
Steam doesn't have a fake review problem, it has a ironic review problem. An in depth review covering each aspect of the game is equal to a review that is just
>gud gaem

If anything I think steam has a review bomb problem you always got trolls doing fake negative reviews in mass

>>724285372
these games are barely about gameplay. they are just gambling simulators where you hope for good rng until your character becomes so broken it overwhelms any actual gameplay mechanics and you win. since that's the entire game they limit progression by making a main menu upgrade shop that requires grinding a ton of currency.

This website finding it suspicious when people play and enjoy games will never not be funny. You are all terminally retarded

>>724285897
You didn’t play the game.

>>724280286
>people who bought a game enjoy it
Do you buy games you don't like? Why?

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>>724280286
It's a great game, and hit a new peak player count today! :D

>>724280926
Jblow calls this 'statlike'. It's pretty trash game design to make your progress farming based instead of skill based desu.

A positive review from someone who hasn't finished a game is worthless yet not prohibited

do all items have evolutions? I swear I got an evolution with that increased movement speed item but when looking on google all I can find are ball evolutions.

>>724280286
>Accidently went over the 2 hour refund cutoff autisitically building my pointless base
GODDAMNIT

>>724286420
>someone who hasn't finished a game
Still more credible than /v/, who doesn't play games at all.

>>724286248
is any of that wrong?

>>724286248
That's literally the game
The only time actual skill comes into play is the final boss since it doesn't have a "time limit" that auto kills you if you don't do enough damage, and unfortunately the final bosses, while much more engaging than the rest of the game, are still piss easy and uninteresting.

>>724280286
People love their endorphinslop

>>724286460
Yea passives evolve aswell, know feather plus winged boots give you something

the graphics of the game are so busy that it makes the whole thing SHIT

back in my day visuals had clarity

>>724280286
>is steam full of bots and retards
yes

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>>724280286
It's fun. It's tied with Monster Train 2 for my indie goty. I didn't play Silksong or Deltarune though but I don't feel like they would be in my top 5 anyway as much as I love Super Metroid and Mother 3.

Steam review percentage isn't a measure of how good a game is. It's a measure how how well the game gave people what they were expecting to get. Something like this gets overwhelmingly positive because the people who bought it wanted a neat little choose from three things game, and that's exactly what they got.

>>724280286
Asmongold is playing it so it'll get glazed.

>>724288239
>Asmongold is playing it
Thanks for the update on cockroach man without my consent

>>724280926
STFU and play normal brickbreaker then for more than an hour while this exists

>>724288286
OP wanted to know why a mid game was being positively reviewed by a pack of Indians, I answered.

>>724288340
>why a mid game was being positively reviewed by a pack of Indians
it was hitting a 30k peak last week lol. Was he playing it then?

>>724288340
you cant just blame everything you hate in life on indians, you know?

>>724288383
IDK I just got recommended a video from his clip channel on YouTube for Ballpit which was the first time I heard of the game, I didn't watch it but yeah he must've been playing last week since the upload was like a few days ago.
>>724288416
I am telling you, Asmongold's popularity is 100% an Indian-induced phenomenon.

>>724280286
I believe so yes. Always filter for negative revies. They are usualy the honest ones. Review bomb reviews are also easy to spot since they've mostly only played for 0.2 hours, mostly.

>>724288504
Well whatever. It's published by Devolver and it was in Steam Next Fest so. It's more organically popular than you think.

Holy shit how many fucking retarded niggers can you have in one thread? No wonder trump is president when average american is this retarded

>>724288581
Sorry but if Asmongold streams and praises a game, that's why it's popular. I don't make the rules.

>>724281886
spelunky is cool, but i hate it because you either move too slow or too fast. it really didnt feel good to control, so i dropped it. "skill issue" whatever, if it just had a middle ground of speed it would be amazing.

necrodancer is gay because rhythm is gay.

slay the spire isnt really skill focused as much as understanding how to build a deck, with a smattering of rng taking second place.

>>724280286
its pretty fun.

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>>724280286
>>724280748
I beat the final boss, then got all of the cheevos and I still wanna beat the whole thing in fast+9 on NG+ it's addictive. I go to bed and I think about the untapped potential of certain combos

>>724280286
Steam operates on a yes/no system, even a mild yes will lead to what you see. Also most people are casuals and play for 15 minutes, call it peak, and then leave a review.

>>724288630
This site is less than half American and has been since 2016

>>724290174
I saw that with RE4 Remake. All the reviews only had 2 hours in the game.

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>>724280286
fun things are fun

>>724280926
There is no gambling in this game, find an actual argument or stop posting.

>>724285546
Bless your heart

>>724280286
they're not fake, it's just that for niche games the only people leaving reviews are fans on the genre

>>724280926
>It's a slop
>slop

Ahh, the ultimate instant contempt/no credibility word. Grow up, educate yourself, stop being prejudiced.

>>724280926
I wish we still got roguelikes that take skill and thought to play. Instead of this slop where you push a button, watch colorful effects and by sheer luck either succeed or fail. Clicker games are more complex than modern "roguelike" slop

>>724284963

I really dislike this system , remember when YouTube had a rating system? You knew which video were good, bad and which ones needed improvement

Now it's constant ass licking the content creator

>>724288630
jej

>>724287546
First actual critique in the thread and no (You)s.

>>724280286
The more obvious question to ask is "has a streamer played it" because that pretty much automatically means an influx of 90% positive reviews if they so much as didn't ragequit.

>>724293051
Every video had 1-2 or 4-5 stars though, thumb up/down is way better for youtube but hiding the dislikes removed the entire purpose

>>724286621
>>724286953
nta but no, it's not correct. I love noita but one problem that game has at this point is too many options in the shop, making build agency heavily reliant upon RNG. This game gets its build variety from its combination system, leaving the shop pool pretty small and very easy to manage, especially considering the cheap rerolls cost. RNG can technically fuck you, but its statistically unlikely. A key proponent of these games is risk management, if RNG was any less influential to the run it wouldn't be a roguelite.

>>724288340
It's not free, Indians wouldn't like it.

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A lot of people here seem to not understand something very important about steam reviews.
>overwhelmingly positive
Doesn't mean that the game is 10/10. It just means it just means that it has more positive than negative reviews by a wide margin. That is very easy to do when you do proper marketing, it's very hard to get negative reviews when most people that bought the game knew exactly what they were in for.
The people that bought Ball X Pit knew they were buying roguelite brick break.
Negative or Mixed reviews only occur when your product disappoints the costumer, like an update breaking the performance/balance of the game or dlc that adds something the community feels should be in the base game.
You have to fuck up big time to have bad reviews on Steam.

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>>724280286
its called "glazing" and its currently the trendy thing to do.

>>724293201
Nimi Nightmare played it, she is a vtuber.

>>724293217

Kumbaya the entire thing. Fucking sellouts

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>>724293703
You literally cannot get negative reviews on steam idiot. The system hides and stops counting them after a few weeks. Everything will default back to "mostly positive" over time. Thats how it fucking works.

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>>724294072
I like reading bad reviews, they tell you alot about the game

>>724294072
>system hides
It doesnt you retard

>>724294475
Oh it does, maybe not after weeks , but year later you can't find them

All this to ensure product is "good" so it gets potential buyers

>>724292639
we still do, somebody comes in with a new game almost every thread
>>>/vg/543617948

>>724294632
How many years?
I still see a lot of neg reviews here
https://store.steampowered.com/app/582660/Black_Desert/

>>724294632
It took me 20 seconds to find 10+ year old negative reviews for EU4

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>>724294072
>You literally cannot get negative reviews on steam idiot.
>The system hides and stops counting them after a few weeks.
>Everything will default back to "mostly positive" over time. Thats how it fucking works.

>check Payday 3 (2023)
>mixed
>check Vermintide 2 Winds of Magic (2019)
>Mostly negative
>check Destiny 2 Lightfall (2023)
>mostly negative
Maybe we need to check older games
>Umbrella Corps (2016)
>Overwhelmingly Negative
>RollerCoaster Tycoon World (2016)
>Overwhelmingly Negative
>Command & Conquer™ 4 Tiberian Twilight (2010)
>Overwhelmingly Negative
>>Everything will default back to "mostly positive" over time. Thats how it fucking works.
I doesn't seem to be working my man.

Do you trust metacritic? What's the most reliable site with game reviews?

>>724280286
I dont like roguelikes. They undermine actual skill building and make your rely mostly on luck thus wasting your time.

>>724295231
Steam unironically

>>724293770
Holy fuck I miss authentic game reviews so much

>>724295776
What else do you miss? Complete games on release? Manuals instead of mandatory tutorials, expansion packs instead of dlc?

>>724297143
All those things, yes, and also the following
Lobbies vs matchmaking ELO systems
Localized vs corporate moderation
A primarily white online population

>>724280286
No. A lot of people are just content with mid games as long as it's shiny enough.

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>>724280286
That's why I trust journalists

>>724289496
>slay the spire isnt really skill focused as much as understanding how to build a deck
that quite literally IS a skill

>>724297254
>A primarily white online population

This will damage your social credit score

>>724280286
This game should be like 3.99.
Same goes for Balatro, Megabonk and all these other hype games that have fun ideas and concepts but lack actual content.

>>724297646
i dont know, i dont really count "intelligence" as a skill. mechanical execution is a skill. reaction time is a skill. skill to me is about the actions you take and how you take them, not so much "why" you take them. kind of like how a good coach isnt necessarily a good player.

>>724280286
I 100%'ed this. Its basically an autobattler. I enjoyed it. I'd give it a 7/10. The meta is stale and alot of the balls are bad

>>724280286
>find game
>like game
>streamer plays game
>not allowed to like game anymore

>>724293703
You have a brain.

>>724294072
You are a retard.

>>724280286
Buddy this was the year Expedition 33 got mathematically impossible amounts of reviews on every platform based on how much it sold. New meta.

>>724280926
>luck
What are you smocking you have half a build ready before the run even starts.
You didnt play that game at all and you dare to come there complain about its reviews? Fuck off tertiary piece of tourist shit.

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Fuck your balls I'm bonking instead.

>>724298429
keep coping jeet

>>724280376
This, plus currys and other assorted browns aren't rangebanned

>>724286420
You dont even own a single gaming platform

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I am playing this for cute animals

>>724297791
brains learning how to control muscles and improve reaction times better = skill
brains learning how to strategize and make decisions better = not skill

gotcha

>>724280286
I have been concerned about this lately. I saw an obvious chink AIslop porn game that had hundreds of positive reviews.

>>724298720
you have to buy something to leave a negative review. why buy something if you know you arent going to like it before you even buy it? just to go through the hassle of refunding so you can make what is essentially a shitpost about something you dont actually know about? of course the people that chose to buy it are more likely to leave a positive review. as 724293703 said, "You have to fuck up big time to have bad reviews on Steam."

ah yes, the contrarian thread

>>724298948
inability to comprehend that different people like different things is a tale as old as time

>>724295745
Sometimes user reviews feel like they were written by children, bots or shills.

>>724295231
>metacritic
Full of consolewarring faggots who didn't play the game. 0 or 10. Useless.

>have to own the game to review
>some forums you have to own the game to post
The best way. Keeps the retards and the awardbaiters out.

>>724295231

I just use Steam and /v/ and my own judgment.
Nothing else and it has always worked.

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>>724280286
Steam has had a problem with money laundering reviews for well over a decade.

>>724280286
I don't think it does, at least not for paid games since you need to own the game to review it.

>>724300354
epicjeet

Bro Valve doesnt play around with fake reviews

If they find out you do it you get nuked from orbit
Even fucking Nexon had to kneel with Blue Archive because they were getting very close to treading that line too

>>724280286
It's fun and not that expensive.

I do notice this year that there are a lot of games getting high praise. I do think it's weird but having played a lot of them they're actually just fun.
Maybe we're entering a second age?

>>724283082
>Four ball and relic limit
He doesn't know

I installed it but honestly I have no idea how to beat it
Even when I think I have a good build I just get slowly crushed around the 2nd boss

>>724301023
>Evolution the balls
>Fuse the evolution balls

>>724301023
Just b urself
Also, the ghost and wind ball is objectively trash.

>>724301091
Unless you combine the wind ball with freeze or poison, then it's op

>>724280286
nah I know normies really like this game it triggers their dopamine well

>>724286460
Rattle plus warhorn evolves to make every baby ball spawner create up to 3 more baby balls

Haha baby balls btw

>>724301128
No, it still sucks

>>724281886
>make a pretty decent arcade game that's 1-2 hours long
>nerf your damage to shit
>buff enemies HPs and damage to the high heaven
>create """unlockables""" for hp and damage

there's your roguelike bro, no i've never played rogue, why do you ask?

>>724301023
Without looking up evolutions beforehand:
Focus on getting two balls at level 3 first and then get more balls

Anyone here got some weird three ball evolution? I somehow got a nuke ball

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>>724280286
Yes, steam has had a fake reviews problem for years.

Its all rigged with bot farm accounts. Same as social media.

>>724301023
Max out every buff you can from the town passives, they seem small but make a huge difference

Also use nuke for cheese, fire+iron makes bomb, bomb+poison makes nuke and its very powerful

>>724301303
Only one i've found so far is also nuke, starting to think its the only one

>>724301370
I never tried it, but I wonder how op it would be to fusion nuke with clump

>>724301497
I did virus+nuke and the massive base damage of the explosion affects the DOT stacks its wild

>>724301562
>Couple + main balls only, no baby balls
>Shoot 10 of any one ball
>Nuke+virus
Brb, trying a run

>>724301303
>>724301417
>>724286460
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3587888441

best balls in general:
>bleed/iron
melts bosses because it does % of current hp in damage
>lightning/light
effects all enemies on screen when hit, so you combine it with something like bleed/iron or earthquake/cell (black hole is cool too, but it can be difficult to combine it all before the end, and you'll honestly only have it for a little bit before the run is over).
>brood/cell
for tons of baby balls, which are great at spreading other effects when combined with stuff like bleed/iron or even nuke. dont combine it with black hole, because sometimes it will get fucky and stop working. might have something to do with bosses.
>burn/light
just a solid damaging ball with a good effect.
>vert/horz lasers
is ok on its own, but great if you combine it with maggot or something that makes a lot of baby balls.
>satan or nosferatu
strong, but gimmicky. massive investment and you can generally get more from an arsenal of better things.

just note that gracious impaler does NOT have you keep any crit chance from the components, so you'll want to have some other source of crit.

I've been playing it for the past 2 days, it's fun but has an extremely short shelf life.
These roguelite (?) clone games are getting lazier. The meta is to farm inital sales with neat presentation of a new concept, people see it on streams and hype it up for about a week before realising that there is only 2 hours of gameplay pre-redundancy and the dev has already moved on.
Just recently:
>ball x pit
>megabonk
>cloverpit
>megaloot
>buckshot roulette
>loop hero
>domekeeper
>balatro
>peglin
>vampire survivors (+100 clones)
>brotato
>risk of rain 2
>slay the spire
I fall for it too but it's sad, the further you go back, the more depth these games have to the point where Binding of Isaac now seems like this timeless masterpiece. They are churning out 10 minutes of gameplay with monthly releases ($20 ty)

>>724302371
its a lot more fun than 2 hour platformers or beat-em-ups that are the exact same every time you touch it. the unlocks and progression, in addition to the variety keep you engaged and experiencing new things, even if they are somewhat minor. metaslaves dont play for fun, and often burn out far quicker too.

also, "extremely short shelf life" is such a laughable and pathetic way to look at things. am i supposed to keep playing just one game for months or years? i play something to completion and/or until im done having fun with it. you can call e33 "fotm", but why would i need to keep playing after i complete everything? i can replay it some other time when it will feel fresh again. why do i need to keep playing megabonk or ballxpit after i've gotten all of the achievements and im satisfied with the fun i've had? i put 35 hours in. im good.

unless you genuinely mean that its only good for 2 hours, in which case thats not the game's fault, thats just an admission of your own deficient attention span.

>>724301562
>>724301705
try nuke+maggot

>>724280286
Billions of Chinese
Billions of Indians

>>724302807
>the unlocks and progression, in addition to the variety keep you engaged and experiencing new things, even if they are somewhat minor
this is the problem though, the gameplay loop in these games is very small so they depend on gradual unlocks for progression and variety but these unlocks are always gamebreaking. I am still playing and having fun with ball pit but it's very easy at this point, I am just doing the same thing over and over to the point of boredom, once I have unlocked everything, the game literally has nothing left to offer.
The problem is that all of these games are the exact same thing beyond the initial gimmick.

By your admission, this game has a 15 minute shelf life, not 2 hour because the first time you play it will be the most fun you have with one cycle of the gameplay loop, then you can move on and spend your next $20 on the next 15 minute oneoff because playing games and learning the mechanics is icky, and the fault of the player.

I literally heard about random reviewers who's taste I often agree with say Ball x Pit is genuinely great.
I also played the demo a few months ago and it was promising.

>>724303304
>once I have unlocked everything, the game literally has nothing left to offer.
anon, you might have to come to terms with the fact that you've grown up and arent a kid anymore. as kids, we used to play whatever games we owned for hours and hours and hours... and we didnt even HAVE new powerups to get. those games had nothing left to offer. we just played... because we liked playing games.
>By your admission, this game has a 15 minute shelf life
nowhere in my post did i say anything of the sort. check your reading comprehension, retard.
>the first time you play it will be the most fun you have with one cycle of the gameplay loop
let me guess, you believe in spoilers too? once you know something, you cant appreciate the experience anymore? you cant mentally separate information from the experience?
>the fault of the player
yeah, its really adding up to just being a (you) problem, i gotta say.

>>724280286
steam has 2 types of review. recommend and not recommend
a game you enjoy no matter how "mid" would be something you would recommend if you fill out a review.
same way that buying a game you love vs a game you're unsure about gives the company the same thing. they get the money.

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>but how could it be a good game it it doesn't have le 3D graphics?

>>724303562
I don't know why you are so emotionally defensive of this. I said I'm enjoying the game but it's obviously a gimmick cashgrab.
The example I used earlier, Binding of Isaac, did a much better job of this formula by having every run randomised and the magnitude of game breaking unlocks come much much later into playing. Ball x Pit's 15 min runs are identical every time and your experimentation of strategy is pretty limited, you gain EXP which permanently buffs you.

It's fine for what it is but nobody will be discussing it beyond 2 weeks, similar to almost all of the other recent games I listed earlier. Relics of history, devs got their money.
>oh boy, I REALLY want to pick up Loop Hero and give it another go
said nobody ever

>balls x spit
>doesnt involve cock worship and skullfuck deepthroats
Why is this allowed?

>>724280286
haven't played it but these indie games are focused on gameplay instead of story, offer replayability and are cheap
all things AAA has been failing at

>>724280661
that actually sounds quite nice. good for them for having fun and also good that they mostly seem to jump between smaller games rather than triple a shit

The new ways to play with each character is surprising refreshing, I personally like the juggler and the guy that makes the game into pachinko

>>724280926
Sounds like a video game to me.

>>724303613

>Its not a bad game. It's just not a good X game.

>>724280376
>REPO
Hey, this looks like a perfect Halloween game to play with friends. Thanks anon!

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>>724280286
I played 34 hours of this "game" and I can't say I enjoyed my time. It's pure addiction incremental numbers up and flashing gambling sfx, nothing of substance.
I haven't played a roguelite since Binding of Isaac Wrath of the Lamb iirc and to see how much this genre degraded over time is really sad to see.
Vampire Survivors might be one of the most damaging games of all time. Now games like "rogue" are not even games anymore. It's just fucking gambling. So many indies gave up making games and just straight up make slot machines, poker and whatever other gambling shit.
When I unlocked the Shieldbearer I got sad because then it hit me that this "game" could have been a cool clone of Breakout, one of my all time classic simple games. Instead it's just gambling hooks and freemium tiny number crunch grind.

No wonder that this board, twitter, youtube etc is so full of retarded people because these nongames literally fry your brain and there are so many of them. They just keep coming and ruining what is a videogame for lots of people.

>people in the year of our Lord 2025 still think positive review bombing doesn't exist
>only negative review bombing exists
>it stands to reason

>>724284963
Literally no one but Steamie Hut Junior uses facebook thumbs up or down system.

>>724303975
>game is fun
>"It's a cashgrab!"

Do you even read what you're saying?

>>724303975
>Binding of Isaac, did a much better job of this formula
they really arent very comparable. isaac is much more randomized at its core, and has much wider range of items/powers. its a very different TYPE of game, despite being in the same "genre". hollow knight is a 2d platformer, but its not really comparable to jazz jackrabbit. ballpit is different, and thats ok. its allowed to be a different game. the only reason you call it a gimmick cashgrab is because you're a jaded fuck in your old age. its just a game, bro. is vampire survivors a gimmick cash grab? lmao fuck no. it just got lucky and thats it. ballpit just has different objectives and different design than other games. it doesnt have the story or consistency of hades, its just about balls and number go up as you increase the ng+. thats all. you're looking at gaming through the wrong lens (the jaded /v/ lens). lighten up.

>nobody will be discussing it
who gives a shit? why do you give a shit about other people? just play games and have personal fun. your strange longing for community and inclusion through gaming, of belonging because you share an experience with others, is weird and pathetic. "it was worth MY time because OTHER people are TALKING about it" is insanity.

play games. have fun.

At least roguelites had minor rng in loot drops and map rotation.
This one doesn't even have the latter. It's just the same exact maps with only thing that can change is speed.

For people who haven't played the game I just want you to know that you eventually unlock a character that literally plays the game itself.
The devs knew how boring, samey and unrewarding the runs are but that they put so much grind that having an auto bot and, I kid you not, afk resource generation but you need to log back in and click on your farm to collect them shit in it.

>>724304426
>I played 34 hours of this "game" and I can't say I enjoyed my time.
you should really examine your life, values, and life choices. get some therapy, anon.
>how much this genre degraded
the "genre" is immensely diverse and varied. hell, its also argued that theres a difference between "roguelike" and "roguelite". you're kidding yourself with your pretentious bullshit, especially when you admit that you havent played anything.
>Vampire Survivors
>It's just fucking gambling
>So many indies gave up making games and just straight up make slot machines, poker and whatever other gambling shit.
so dont play them if you're not interested? go play caves of qud or some shit.
>They just keep coming and ruining what is a videogame
lmao your autism is pathetic. "what is a videogame" LMAO. bad games existing isnt a problem, because plenty of good games still exist and/or continue to get made. its a shame that your autism is so crippling that you dont know how to find them, and that it probably prevents you from recognizing or playing them even if you did find them.

>>724302371
Have you ever played an actual roguelike? A game that plays like the game Rogue? It will give you a new perspective of how bad things have gotten. BoI and Rogue Legacy made us think that the depth and complexity of a Roguelike was possible in action games but it never manifested. Instead the action games got more shallow and the grind for permanent upgrades overtook as core element, the anthithesis of Roguelikes. But those permanent upgrades are also why roguelites became so popular. It's hard to talk to people who think they are hardcore and never played a game like Rogue.

>>724305008
>how bad things have gotten
its not bad, just different. there are plenty of traditional roguelikes. they arent that popular because a lot of people dont find that model very appealing. the "roguelite" model with permanent upgrades creates a sense that any run/failure can be "worth" something, even if upgrades have a cap. its not "bad" that other people can have their thing, and you're kidding yourself.

>>724304714
The afk character plays like shit by the way
Literally dies standing in lava tier

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>>724304947
Wow what a nice reply. Straight up going for the personal insult instead of even pretending to have a serious intent of talking.
I played it that long because the only value the game offers for gameplay is the addiction and it has been years since I indulged in one. Are you someone that says "You shouldn't have drank" to a guy who drank a bottle of vodka one night after not drinking for years?
Not even going to bother engaging with the rest of your fried brain vomit.
Go pull another lever and lose more of your humanity each time.

>>724304586
>ballpit is different
It really isn't.
>>724305008
Yes, I was making a joke with BoI. I like BoI but I remember when rogue purists were seething about how it is not a trve roguelike (they were right) because it's shallow, normie action gameplay. But now in retrospective, BoI has way more depth than this new wave.

>>724305201
Roguelites still had merits but it was just annoying that casuals called them roguelikes. But this new wave of Vampire Survivorlikes, made by a gambling industry guy, is what really is complete slop with no worth.

>>724305253
Why are you spending 34 hours of you life on something you don't enjoy? Refund it in 30 mins and move on with you life you fucking autist

>>724305253
you genuinely view it as an addiction instead of just a fun game to play and enjoy. you chose to play through it fully, but look back on your time and choice with a sneer and resentment. you're a pretentious narcissist. if a pretentious narcissist had a drink and complained about it in a self important way, i definitely would say "you shouldnt have done that then, idiot". you genuinely need therapy.

and if gaming is a dangerous addiction for you, why are you here? stay away from temptation. dont hang out in a bar if you're an alcoholic, retard.

>>724305253
>Are you someone that says "You shouldn't have drank" to a guy who drank a bottle of vodka one night after not drinking for years?
Yes? Why wouldn't you say that to someone if they had a drinking problem?

>>724305319
>Roguelites still had merits but it was just annoying that casuals called them roguelikes.
they're pretty much the same thing, don't be a pedantic faggot, every roguelike has progression mechanics these days anyways.

>early game enjoyment: seeing what new things happen in the game, getting blueprints, beating levels, getting new balls
>Late game enjoyment: optimizing the balls into stronger combos while using different builds of character combos
It's a great game if you enjoy these types of things

>>724302807
I have played hearts of iron 2/3 for almost 20 years

I stopped caring about Steam Reviews after Hades got overwhelmingly positive.
>But
Don't care. It's literally just a repackage of Bastion.

>>724305861
do you say the same thing each time there's a new fifa or call of duty?
btw i never played basion, hades was cool though.

>>724298529
great image
if only the game wasn't shit after 10 hours

>>724305941
>do you say the same thing each time there's a new fifa or call of duty?
No, because that garbage is beneath me.
But look at SuperGiant's past games and you'll see that they've been making Hades since 2011.

>>724307768
By the logic Pyre is the only original game they made since Bastion.

>>724305861
>it's just a repackage of a great game
ok...

>>724280286
It's a good game anon

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>>724280286
It's a neat game, but it gets really silly once you get the Radical (who literally auto-plays for you) while that one building that gives you passive resources shits out an ungoldy amount with zero effort. I was only 8 hours gone and I got thousands of resources each to instantly build all the endgame shit that costs like 4k wheat and 1k stones (not accounting for the infinite resource sink buildings).

>>724280286
steam ratings aren't proper ratings, they're more like rotten tomatoes where the game can be a 100% but still be a 6/10.

>>724309385
Post a single example

>>724280376
REPO is good, people thought it was dogshit because of the retarded emoji on the cover, glad that they changed it.

>>724280286
How to make the next hit indie sensation these days:
>make sure your game takes next to no skill to play
>main gameplay loop is basically spinning a slot machine
>have some meta stat progression so on your future runs you don't need to get as lucky with what your slot machine spits out to proceed
>have a decent looking (or meme) artstyle and pay some streamers to play your game

>>724280286
These games are basically Diablo like games stripped of everything terrible. Once you realize this, it's hard to go back.

>>724309491
Hades, Slime Rancher, Helltaker, OneShot, Bloons, Phasmophobia, Cookie Clicker, Don't Starve, Doki Doki Literature Club, Outlast, INSIDE, The Forest, HuniePop and Nekopara.
They're not bad games, just overhyped while their ratings are filled with meme references to youtubers or streamers who played them. I played them as well, I'm not here to hate on them. They're just poorly rated because none should be OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE.

>>724309491
Silent Hill 2 Remake
REPO
Hades 2

>>724309662
Too many steps, reduce it to two
>tap into the monkey brain's dopamine receptors
>don't make it pozzed
Perfect game

>>724280286
Isn't that the indie game that plays like the fake mobile game ads with wave of monsters ?

>>724282918
you can beat chess with no hands, is chess a bad game

a game having a thousand foibles does not make it any better. in a lot of cases it makes it signifigantly worse

>>724309662
>make a generic shooter (top-down or fps either works)
>add perma death
>call it an action rogue lite
>very positive guaranteed

>>724309715
>none should be OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE.
why

>>724309942
same reasoning as
>elbows too sharp

>>724309942
common sense
no such thing as 10/10 anything

>>724309942
9 or 10 out of 10 scores should be reserved for games that are either perfect or near perfect

>>724309989
>>724310018
well good thing its only shows OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE and not a numbered scale, isnt it?

>>724281167
That's not a problem, you can leave a review, people can rate reviews, if you actually look through some of them and read what people have to say you can see more detail on why positive or negative, and how many people have voted helpful. You can even comment on reviews if you want.

It's better than a review score like 1-10 because everyone has vastly different understanding of what those scores mean, some people thing 5 is just average, some people think that 5 is shitting on a game.

I'm having fun in ball x pit, it's fun, addictive, bug free, games are bitesized but there's also meta progression, there's also an insane number of synergies that make for a vasty different experience with certain combos.

>>724309942
Other than Phasmophobia and Cookie Clicker none of them have inspired the industry to copy them ad nauseum.

>>724280376
damn imagine being contrarian on Balatro.

>>724309989
>no such thing as 10/10 anything
why

>>724309989
>>724310018
Overwhelmingly positive does not mean 9/10 or 10/10. 90% positive does not mean 9/10 either.

Fucking brainlets

Is it an autism thing to think that "overwhelmingly" refers to the quality of the positivity and not the relative amount of positive ratings?

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>>724310059
I'm a giga contrarian and I would be put out by Balatro like every regular contrarian but at a party I caved in and tried the game on my friend's switch and it was honestly fun.

>>724310074
You can't just use the socratic method to bully anons into admitting they're wrong dumbass

>>724302371
I played most of these and enjoyed them for a few hours before moving on and don't regret any of it. Why would I? You can fit almost half that list in the price of a cinema ticket nowadays (+popcorn etc) yet each one will likely keep you entertained for at least 3x as long as most movies.
>>724305008
>Have you ever played an actual roguelike?
Yeah and they suck ass. Just because it was new and fresh back then doesn't mean they're on par with modern games. Standards have risen enormously, shitty trial and error RNG fests are no longer acceptable.

>>724285546
lol

>>724310260
it's the only way to ask without creating a bias.
why can't something be rated 10/10. why do they think no such thing exists.

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>>724302371
YES SHORT SHELF LIFE PLEASE
PLEASE I WANT SHORTER GAMES
GENUINELY
$9 FOR A 5 HOUR SHORT BURN EXPERIENCE
SIIIIIIGN ME UPPPPPP

>>724310037
>>724310076
yeah and thats the problem. overwhelmingly positive SHOULD be steam's perfect rating
personally overwhelmingly positive only tells me that only people who knew they would love the game in advance cared enough to buy it

>>724302371
I don't understand the problem. They are games.

They entertain you until they no longer entertain you.

>>724310435
>overwhelmingly positive SHOULD be steam's perfect rating
what the fuck are you talking about

>>724282990
but enough about openly fellating Gacha games

>>724310503
are you being facetious on purpose? only great games should have overwhelmingly positive on their page
its a simple concept

>>724310713
see >>724310149

>>724310149
>>724310760
you're a faggot

>>724302371
>ror2
>2 hours of gameplay pre-redundancy
And he lists every popular roguelike as of late
Bait used to be believable

>>724310975
I accept your concession. You are free to leave the thread. Good dog.

I bought this game assuming I knew exactly how it was going to play. And honestly, I was completely correct about everything. I've got enough out of it that I can say it was at least worth the money, but the endless rehashing of ideas on Steam is so fucking tiresome holy shit.

>>724310503
Portal 2 deserves "overwhelmingly positive" as a rating, but a game like Phasmophobia which is a lazy unity game that is only known for putting down the friendslop foundations? Mostly positive at best, it cannot be a greater experience than Portal 2, there is no universe where these two should share the same rating score.

>>724311119
okay then
come up with your own original game.

>>724311065
>I'm a faggot. I'm a faggot. I'm a faggot.
compelling counter-argument. your steam reviews must be great

>>724311168
see >>724310149

>>724311224
There is no argument. You already lost.

>>724288067
is the onions sponsor real or fake? anyway last year's indies totally BTFO the fuck out of this year's indies

>>724311234
There is no universe where there are more people who rated phasmo positively compared to how they would rate portal 2 positively. You finish one game of phasmo, or twenty and go yeah I guess its fun with friends. At the end of portal 2, if you're a turbo redditor you stand up and clap.

>>724311174
1) No, it's not my job to
2) Any original idea posted here would instantly be stolen. It wouldn't surprise me if you yourself were a dev hoping you could snag an idea in here

>>724311305
>There is no universe where there are more people who rated phasmo positively compared to how they would rate portal 2 positively.
What the fuck are you talking about.
Ratings are independent. Each game has it's own rating. You are making shit up and getting mad about it.

>>724309989
>>724310076
>>724310435
this was already explained by some dude with a brain
>>724293703

steam can't account for peoples' taste in different games, what if you hate puzzle games and go buy every puzzle game and give them bad reviews saying puzzle games are trash? No one's fucking doing this. People are already only going to buy games that they think they will enjoy.

>>724311374
His point is that the two games are rated independently but considered equal due to those ratings.

>>724311554
>but considered equal
by idiots who think the ratings mean something that they don't.
like you.

>>724293443
>too many options
this is the exact OPPOSITE of a heavy reliance on RNG you absolute dumbfuck. More rolls = more likely to get what you want = less reliant on 1 roll = less rng.
Noita isn't even hard. You retards just refuse to learn it and end up saying the absolute most retarded shit about it.

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>>724309564
This. I thought this game was pure unfettered nog trash until I played it. It's just a slightly better LC instead.

>>724311581
You're basically arguing against the rating system existing then? I almost wish ratings came from Valve-approved sources of reviews. As in larger, more reputable outlets.

>>724311784
>You're basically arguing against the rating system existing then?
How did you come to this conclusion?

>>724280286
People who actually play videogames don't care which genres are trigger phrases for you, retard

>>724311910
What DO the ratings mean in your eyes? If every game's rating means something different then what use is the rating system in the first place? If shitty slop games get the same rating as something like Portal 2 ratings simply can't be trusted and should be ignored. And if ratings should be ignored why bother with them?

>>724312069
If the amount of ratings are overwhelmingly positive compared to negative ratings, then it's overwhelmingly positive.
If the amount of ratings are mostly positive, then it's rated mostly positive.
If the amount of ratings is mostly negative, then it's rated mostly negative.
etc.

Comparing the ratings of games against each other is not the point of the steam rating system. The steam rating system is not a critique.

>>724311784
>>724311554
what do you do when you go on Amazon?
do you suffer cognitive dissonance when you go on there and see a 4.5 star rated crock pot for $34.99 and then lose your shit when a $2.22 500 pack of cotton swabs is also 4.5 stars, because you believe they must both have the same objective value since they're both 4.5 stars?

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>>724304426
>that pathetic baby shmup pattern that you just casually walk to the side of while you pepper the enemy with impossible to miss bullets
This looks terrible. Why did Vampire Survivors ruin an entire generation of indie games?

>>724280286
I'm enjoying it though

>>724312768
>why isn't this game as hard as other games i've played?
why is /v/ so filled with retards?

>>724280286
Just because it’s not the greatest game of all time doesn’t mean it’s a bad game.

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>>724312867
>Retard doesn't even know how to defend the slop he's shilling properly

>>724309870
nobody has "beat chess" you dumbfuck ESL

>>724312989
what?

>>724312768
The thing that i hate is that VS was a short and unique experience, and while shallow, only priced itself at $2. These survivor likes are just as shallow, shorter than VS, less original, and feel justified pricing themselves as 4-20 times more expensive than VS

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People shouldn't be allowed to like things I dislike. Simple as.

>>724313176
I dislike fentanyl and people shouldn't be allowed to like it.

>>724309989
10/10 =/= perfect. Common sense would tell you that.

>>724312768
this guy is on normal speed difficulty and still doesn't even have the full speed up in the corner on, at this point in the game there's no excuse for not having the speed turned all the way up.

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>>724313169
>Copying ideas and jewing you out on the price
That's indie games for ya

>>724313000
i have

Shit looks like a mobile game. Looks like them games that are advertised on youtube. Devolver has good marketing

>>724280286
Is it one of those "roguelike" number go up dopamine rush games? Of yes then the reviews are not fake, people are just retarded and actively enjoy this kind of "simple but addictive xD" bullshit.

>>724302371
Slay the spire and Balatro are great and can give you dozens of hours of gameplay.

>>724280994
You can play Candy Crush for free and that's on the same level as this game

>>724298667
>Product received for free.
How do they do this?

>>724314753
They are a journalist with a review website. Devs give them codes for free, either unprompted or when asked for by the reviewer.

>>724314753
"influencer", critics, friends and family of the devs.

I have a buddy who loves rogue likes. The more simple and braindead the gameplay the better so that it's easier to get to the big flashy reward screens. I think it's just something to have on a screen with a dopamine acheivement drip while watching something on the other screen. Many such cases

>>724302807
Go back to r*ddit

>>724280286
Because it was published by Devolver.

>>724286359
>jblow

corny ahh nigga

>>724280926
>But it "feels good bro", right?
Is that not the point of video games? If I wanted deep intellectual stimulation I'd pick up a book.

>>724286359
source?

>>724280286
user generated review systems have been compromised since forever
its good steam offers refunds so you can play for an hour and a half, decide its gay, and get your money back to try another game and do the same thing with

>>724280286
Honestly feels like it needed more time in the oven and further playtesting.
>some characters suck so much that you NEED to combine them with a second one
>some ball evolutions suck, some are completely overshadowed by other evolutions that do the same thing but BETTER
>so few item evolutions, some are an absolute PITA to get for not much
>a lot of items suck ass
>the meta is pure DPS, which narrows down the amount of useable balls significantly
I've also seen a lot of people trashing on the turn-based character, but it's easily the most overpowered one.

>>724314753
you click the box when you write a review

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>>724280286
It's brainless fun.
Way too easy but numbers go bigger tickles my autism.
Risk of rain is still more fun.

>>724280748
It's vampire survivors but vertical scrolling and the enemies are "bricks". It's mostly a brickbreaker in name only.

It's decent enough game moment to moment. The gameplay, levels, bosses, character mechanics, ball mechanics. All those are for the most part fun or interesting and give some neat ideas on breakout style rpg game.
now the real problems are two things, the game's completion expectations and the game's staying power. I'm going to start with the latter.

most of this derivative genre has some sort of infinite or endless mode, where you can flex the full optimization of the game mechanics against ever stronger enemies. This game completely lacks that and only has these 8 levels with the same 3 bosses every time that end when you beat the boss, they're 15 minutes max. No, you can't get 4 double evolution fusion balls, you can't see how cool it would be to have 3 hundred baby balls slamming everywhere all at once, builds in this game basically don't exist because you can never enough upgrades and reactors in a level to actually make a complete build.
anyway so what do they have instead of some sort of infinite or challenge modes?
Character completion incentives. The game gives you stat building and progression in return for a character's level completion. There are 20 characters, you get to bring 2 so it's not so bad right? Except it's separate for every speed. Normal, Fast, up to Fast 9 there's 10 fucking speeds and 20 characters... then you beat the game and they give you NG+ and those completions are also counted separate
sorry but this is crazy who is going to play each level 400 times, assuming there isn't a NG++ too? unless it gives you completion for normal when you beat fast or something.

>>724316182
agree, tactician literally negates cooldown effect of all the most powerful balls since you get to throw that ball every turn.

>>724280926
Look at all those diaper-shitting kids jumping on that poor anon, they hated him for telling the truth.

>>724317052
it's factually incorrect though
halfway through the game it becomes functionally impossible to lose and at end game you essentially start with all the upgrades you'd have halfway through a level.
the rng basically doesn't exist it's just a really shallow shmup rpg

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>>724280286
Yes. It's kinda obvious.

>>724316964
It pretty much negates the most devastating downside, time.
Cooldown? No longer exists.
Cloak or Shuriken? Your balls can sit in the back for as long as you want, and you'll never get punished for it.

Tactician is immensely powerful, and the only ones who hate it are Adderall-addicted zoomies.

>>724314753
You can lie ya know?

Why can't /v/ cope with people liking stuff that they don't like?

Steam has the problem that a positive review could be either "This game changed my life", "This game was fun I bought it for 3 dollars on a sale" or "Pee pee poo poo I refunded but here it is"

>>724317364
>halfway through the game it becomes functionally impossible to lose
Sounds like a shitty game

>>724314753
just make a youtube channel
even people with 20 subs will get early access to big games because companies are desperate for advertising

I just unlocked the Radical and lmao they just gave me an idle game option didn't they.

>>724317557
>"This is basically the greatest game ever made. The developers are amazing, and it's so fun I can't stop!"
>Review posted: 2 months ago
>Total playtime: 0.1 hours
>Product received for free

>>724317557
so read reviews and ignore overall score.
adapt, evolve, overcome

>>724280286
If say much more common is a good game getting overwhelmingly negative reviews because the devs changed on e feature and players threw a fit.

>>724318074
That's what I do, sort by most helpful, negative, then read those

>>724318120
>Overwhelmingly Negative
>all reviews are saying "The developers are horrible! They decided to spit in our faces, made the game unplayable and removed all of the fun!"
>look inside
>devs fixed a bug that allowed you to instakill any enemy, including bosses

>>724318074
>just read the 2000 reviews
yeah i'll get right on that. the actual answer is to use a service with more than 2 buttons to rate games. the reason youtube and all switched to the like/dislike system is because their primary goal is to sell you the product not let you make an informed decision.

for me, it's the jestah

>>724317557
>>724318240
>>724318120
these are storefront reviews not critic reviews
one is a measure of whether you get what you pay for and the product provides the advertised experience
the other is supposed to be the measure of objective quality, marked against its peers. obviously this doesn't happen and the scores get bought but it still stands that the two represent different things.

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Is this even a review?!

>>724319250
fuck critic reviews, i'll take the occasional botted review over those bought and paid for 10/10 anyday.