Finished it, here are my impressions.Fabien story segments are mishandled. It's a load of ''go from point A to B to C to D to E... etc.''. It's just never ending walking with semi funny Malk rambling (It made me smirk for real one time). It's not terrible story wise, but gameplay is horrid. Then you have the world itself, the city. It's beautiful and vast enough to put into it some activities/quests with a little bit of imagination. Instead you get THE MOST generic fetch quests for Tremere (go to point A, interact with the trash can, go to point B to finish the quest), Banu and Lasombra is another generic go to point A and kill your target. Toreador, Brujah and Ventrue quests boil down to collecting crosses, destroying cameras and removing marks (like graffiti in San Andreas, only you don't replace them with yours) scattered in the city, I guess that's somewhat passable. You won't buy anything in the game, only items you get are 4 types of potions (restore health, blood (mana), increase given damage and decrease damage taken), you can only have 2 of each type and they are limited since they don't respawn and cannot be bought. The way to get skills outside your clan is irritating - before you buy them with skill points, you have to look around the city for NPC with correct blood type (except default that only heals you there are 3: Sanguine (pink), Melancholic (blue) and Choleric (red)), you get blood points of specific type of blood depending on what blood type NPC you bite has, you need these points to unlock other clan skills from trainers. There are 2 types of NPC here: ones who are ''fully choleric/melancholic/sanguine'' (they are marked on the map), they give you 100 points.
And there are NPC who blink with given color, they give you like 40 points, but you can talk them to turn fully into their type IF you are wearing right clothes, which is annoying because you have to change clothes all the time if you are farming these points. You get some blood points from doing side quests, but it won't be enough to unlock everything. And then are skill points I mentioned earlier, you need exp to get then (like 1000 I think for 1 sp). Guess what? You only get meaningful amount of exp for finishing quests, killing enemies give you points, but most of the time like 10-25 per kill, so you have to roam the city looking for them. It's not a problem in late stage of the game, since they are everywhere, but at first it is a waste of time to grind exp, because they are scarce. Romance is a joke, everyone jumps on your dick/fangs (implying ALL romance options are bisexual?) no matter how you treat them. Romance literally boils down to painfully generic and castrated out of all depth ''you interest me'' line that you can pick once every time you move the story far enough. Dialogues appear to do nothing except the ending (depending on what line you pick, you might get positive/negative reaction from NPC, ending I think depends on ratio of these reactions + few choices you make, like whether to sire Mother Hen). In other words, we have nice sandbox world with the most generic quests you can imagine (except main storyline), not good skill learning system, dialogues doing almost nothing, laughable ''romance'' options and simplified system of developing our character. Also, except 1 perk, roleplaying and flavor text there and there it does not matter what clan you pick, as we can get all the other or most of the skills anyway.
The silver lining, as I already said, is the city itself - it's beautifully made and climatic. Graphics are good, character models are good, voice acting is mostly okay, roaming throughout the city is cool if you get used to all the climbing, sprinting, jumping and gliding). Fighting is better than in the first game, I think there is enough skills around which you can build your character and the story is alright. There are references to first game, guess that is a nice touch. 6/10, would not play again since replayability is no there in my opinion (mostly killed by Fabien segments) but I don't regret playing it. Oh, and there are of course lefty and progressive tones in the game making some people mad, now that deserves at least half a point, so 6.5/10.Fuck this, enough, I am going to sleep.
>>724295173>It's a load of ''go from point A to B to C to D to E... etc.''It's just never ending walkingJust like in Bloodlines 1.
>>724295173>never ending walkingWhat about vampiric parkour? It's much faster that way.
>>724295173here are my impressions:
>>724295173>Fabien story segments are mishandled. It's a load of ''go from point A to B to C to D to E... etc.''. It's just never ending walking with semi funny Malk rambling (It made me smirk for real one time). It's not terrible story wise, but gameplay is horrid.The Fabien sequences were added in 2024, and they're basically TCR jamming the kind of game they historically like to make into Bloodlines 2. Do you like holding W while someone narrates? Then you're gonna love this.I would agree they were probably mishandled and need a revamp, though.
...they actually went for the "Doofy Gilmore was the killer" plot twist from the Scary Movie.The issue is, we are supposed to take it seriously.
>>724296537>...they actually went for the "Doofy Gilmore was the killer" plot twist from the Scary Movie.No, the original rebar killer was Campbell and Lou working together. The new rebar killer is either Safia or Fabien.
>>724295407nobody even had legs in bloodlines 1 retard
>>724295679>I would agree they were probably mishandled and need a revamp, though.>revamp>vamp
I got insane motion sickness from this game so I had to stop playing.I also got motion sickness from the first game, but at least the experience was worth it.
>>724297782play the game first, talk later, halfwit
>>724297914Usually when that happens I go scouring to find a way to disable Headbob shit. Why the FUCK developers ever thought Headbob was a good idea I don't know that shit almost always gives me motion sickness because of how the headbob is set to be so pronounced it's like you're controlling someone who is shitfaced drunk barely able to walk.
I hate how all the major npcs are just frozen in place every time they're on screen. They move maybe 3 whole times throughout the game. It's really fucking weird and lazy
>>724297970i did play it dude look at this man he has no legs
>>724298064i guess they think it's immersive but they must know it's ass since so many games give options to disable it. rollangle also kind of sucks. it doesn't bother me in vtmb too much for some reason but in most games i usually disable them. fov can also be a factor in motion sickness, usually higher settings helps. vtmb defaults to 75 which isn't too bad but 90 is usually default for modern widescreen resolutions.
>>724299078Bob is anti-immersive because we (and the majority of living beings with a head on a neck) have built in image stabilization. Same shit as lens flare and CA and other dogshit effects, why do devs think that making you feel like a camera on a stick is more immersive
>>724295173Fabien's gameplay should've been a side story that you could select from the main menu. His story completely fucks up the main story's pacing. >having fun doing parkour and vampire shit around Seattle as Phyre>then after you're forced to play a detective visual novel that barely has any combat or makes any sense until near the end of the gameI know that the developers have a boner for making walking simulators, but sliding this into the main story without even guessing if players would like it is despicable.Also Ryong should've have her own ending instead of killing her for no reason. Tolly should've died if there was a need for shock value upon the revelation of Safia's true nature. The game was repetitive, but I did like how I could make Phyre a "good" vampire or at least someone who cared about his fellow Kindred without resorting to backstabbing like every other vampire in WoD. It also sucks that once you free him from the mark, the game just ends. The whole marketing was that you could play as a powerful Elder, but you don't do that in the whole game. Phyre is weaker than the thin bloods you encounter in the game and can die if they gang up on him, and after you think you're going to get some gameplay after freeing him from the mark, the game just ends.>oh you wanted to play as a Elder vampire in his full power? welp no lmao roll creditsThe Chinese Room, please, kindly go fuck yourselves.
But at least we got to see Safia naked, that's something.
>>724299252>Fabien's gameplay should've been a side story that you could select from the main menu.It was originally a DLC. But the devs felt that Bloodlines 2 had become too action focused, and they needed to shift the design towards walking and talking.
>>724299252>Tolly should've died if there was a need for shock value upon the revelation of Safia's true nature.Yeah. Because Tolly is supposed to be a spymaster and in the game he's doing everything except HIS FUCKING JOB.Him getting too close to figuring out Safia's problem and getting offed for it would make a lot of sense and make less useless.
>>724295173>>724295194>>724295237Well put I have mostly the same complaints too but what really bothered me is when the Fabian parts start they interrupt the flow of the game especially towards the end it all felt like filler like the devs wanted to add more padding to the game but it drags on too long unnecessarily
The new rebar killer plot didn't make much sense. Old is fine, Lou and Campbell kill off their enemies under the guise of a hunter so no one can point the finger at them. New one I don't think they explained it well enough. If it's Fabian trying to get himself to remember the old killers why not write it down? If he remembers enough to murder someone with rebar then he can pick up a pencil. Also the guy can't even fight or jump.
>>724299673>Old is fine, Lou and Campbell kill off their enemies under the guise of a hunter so no one can point the finger at them. And yet everybody should IMMEDIATELY point a finger at them, because when high-ranking Kindred keep getting killed off, the prime suspect is either Sabbat or an uppity Prince.
Did a modded playthrough https://youtu.be/JWyrn5iaahw
>>724295173Collecting the blue guys is the worst, sometimes they never go down an alley and just stop in the street and you can't get them. And if you use beckon, they turn pink.I also enjoyed how you can annoy wealthy asian corporate women into punching you once and the police will instantly mag dump on her
>>724299673there are some massive plot holes to the story it never explained why they did it unless maybe I fucked up the dialogue choices
I actually like the combat (at least as Lasombra) and the main story/Malk detective flashbacks overall, but holy fuck are the side quests indefensible garbage. How do you go from some of the most immersive and memorable side content in the genre to Tremere delivery service six times?It also takes a docking for evidence of insufferable wokeness. So far I've cringed at>Donald Campbell's small loan>at least four different incels and chuds roasted on Bet of Night>gay men everywhere, even hooking>every heroic character, vampire or otherwise, is gay or black or asian or hispanic>Fabien says TRANS RIGHTS ARE KINDRED RIGHTS>literally everyone who isn't Ventrue or Toreador or (you) is ugly
>>724295627lol
>>724300129>>literally everyone who isn't Ventrue or Toreador or (you) is uglySafia is Tremere and she's cute
>>724299673The new rebar killer plotline is deliberately ambiguous whether it was Safia, Fabien, or neither and Fabien is just imagining everything.There is one interesting bit of evidence. Safia got her tape recorder back, which almost certainly means she was the one who relocated Campbell's body to the front of Weaver tower, because the tape recorder was in Fabien's pocket. Campbell's head was ripped off. I don't know if Phyre actually tore his head off. There was certainly no blood in that corner to suggest it. It's more likely she ripped his head off to ensure that the death pattern would match the MO of the rebar killer.
>>724295173Is not even an RPG, they clearly were going for it but it was scrapped by the new studio that took over
>>724300831The original studio had no clue how to make an RPG, and was basically faking the RPG stuff in the vertical slice demos. That's why the leaked footage from late 2019 has no RPG mechanics on display.
Is there any sex in the game
>>724301017Yes.The only issue is that all of your potential sex options are men, trannies, ugly black women or old women.
>>724301017Yes. Fade to black scenes like the first game.https://youtu.be/tqy4oa4B7tY?si=gwxB2Psls93Vs7YB
>>724300663She's also batshit insane and trying to kill you.
Being a 400 year old vampire, phyre should have been able to instantly detect diablerie on safia's aura right? You can't just lie and hide shit from a vampire that old
>>724301110And I thought vampires can't have sex.And Faier is supposed to be relatively old - shouldn't he be beyond that anyway?
>>724301017VTM vampires don't have sex though do they? Unless they're ToredoreI can't see them bothering, especially an Elder.
>>724301110>The young people call this "edging".ABSOLUTE KINE-O.
>>724301204>And I thought vampires can't have sex.They can. It's why you could have sex in 1 as well.
>>724301159Every fledgeling with Auspex can spot a diablerist from their aura, because that's literally the first basic-bitch ability they learn. I can only assume Safia never diablerised anybody, because otherwise she'll be in deep shit within the Camarilla court. So I guess that kinda checks out....but then the *second* basic bitch Auspex ability is the ability to spot someone's true emotions. So, every semi-competent vampire should immediately spot that beneath her nice girl facade, Safia is a seething ball of hate and resentment.Fabien, you are a moron.
>>724301110>You can bang an old gilf hagkinda based desu
>>724301139That's hot
>>724300723Phyre did rip his head off. Go back and watch the cutscene.
>>724301204Sex and blood are all kinda mixed up for vamps. They tend towards having sex because it's what their ghouls want, but there's nothing stopping them doing it for their own reasons.https://youtu.be/HXNIXRrd4qw?si=7XDlNAM8JkZZ28E7&t=1144
>>724301218Sometimes they can, sometimes they can't, WW can never make up their mind about it. In older editions it was "no, they can't", then it was "they can, but only the young ones and those with high Humanity care" and eventually around V20, Onyx Path just threw their hands up in the air and went "DO WHATEVER, WE DON'T CARE ANYMORE".
>>724301204Why would anyone ever be beyond sex? Even if you make the argument of 'Oh well drinking blood feels better than sex in vtmb', here's the twist for ya: They're not mutually exclusive. You can drink blood WHILE fucking and get both pleasures simultaneously. This is in TONS of vampiric media. Granny Tremere even out-right suggests bite-fucking.
>>724296537except it was a cool twist in Scary Movie
>>724301507Ah, yea, you're absolutely right. The question, then, is who cleaned up the blood to hide the fact Campbell had been killed there. Logically, Safia, because the only way she could get that tape recorder is if she went to the warehouse and checked Fabien's pockets.
>>724301549I know it's really jank and unfriendly, but Swansong truly deserved more appreciation as far as VTM game adaptations go. It has a really good story, a good sense of agency. Your choices really do matter. I'd love a remaster or a belated patch that cleaned it up.
you've being doing this for 3 yearsyou're not going to meme people into liking swansong
>>724301587Well, the issue is that you are just asking for a blood bond. The vampires never fuck for the sake of fucking.
>>724301110I have a theory that these "fuck me" sessions were added really late in development, which is why they don't show up in the ESRB description. I wish someone would document the PS5's physical disc version, which would have gone gold a few months back.
As someone mentioned Swansong, I'll talk about this instead. Got on sale last week and I'm enjoying it so far. Good little story and seems quite reactive
>>724301810I'll persuade them to LOVE Swansong by reminding them that it has all the crunchy RPG goodness that is missing from the sleek but empty Bloodlines 2.
>>724301904Also very good. It's the pity the most recent DrawDistance VTM game was kind of bad. How bad? Paradox literally pulled out of publishing it. These are good.https://store.steampowered.com/app/1096410/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Coteries_of_New_York/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1279630/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Shadows_of_New_York/This is not.https://store.steampowered.com/app/2658720/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Reckoning_of_New_York/
>>724301204If you hacked Jeanette's computer in 1 you could find her rating list of her favourite fuck's around town. Vamps fucking for pleasure alone is nothing new even in this franchise. Only the most prudish diehards can't stand the idea of hot vampire sex.
>>724300939At least these fucks intended to have first person weapon models. Jesus fuck still living in the worst timeline.
>>724302156>At least these fucks intended to have first person weapon models.Which looked absolutely abysmal, to be fair. I wonder if VTMB2 will eventually add a more traditional brawler melee system or stick to its guns.
VTM should have stayed as a CRPG series.
All this talk about fucking led to me having an epiphany:What do you think Tremere are doing with their gargoyles in those Chantries of theirs?
>>724297830heh eh heh
Ye the game is shit but i did not expect the FeMC to be that hot. Now i understand vampire fetishists, man thaat accent
>>724302304Hopefully with the backlash that both TCR and Bloodlines 2 is getting, VtM will become a solid RPG franchise in the future and they will think twice before straying from that. And I don't think it will take us another 20 years to get another game since a bunch of normies who didn't knew anything about VtM were pulled into the World of Darkness because of 2.
>>724302570she's turk, not jeet
>>724302695i never implied she was a jeet.And she just looks european to me
>>724302681I'm not that hopeful. I think Vampire video games are cursed but Larian and BG3 has shown that there is an audience out there for a deep RPG and adult video game experience. The issue is is that no one is willing to commit to the budget BG3 had, especially the cheap fucks who run Paradox. I hate them so much. Cancerous publishers.
>>724302681Just give WoD back to the Onyx Path. They really seem to love this IP. They even created Curseborne TTRPG which is "we have WOD at home".It's funny that the best V5 books, like Chicago by Night, were made by the Onyx Path.
>>724302815That's why I am rooting for CDPR to get the IP rights. They have the money to burn. Afterwards, they don't even have to develop the game themselves, just publish it. Hire Onyx Path and let's say Fool's Theory and we are golden.You'd be surprised how much Poles love the World of Darkness.
>>724302990Can't see it happening sadly. I'd love it but Paradox is an IP hoarder and they have exclusive rights and won't give it up. Instead they'll find the next cheap dev willing to create a a botched game.
>>724302681Paradox wants to wash its hands of the entire thing. I expect WoD to just be TTRPG again with no Video Game support at all, than Paradox to try its hand at another VtM game.
>>724303162>I expect WoD to just be TTRPG again with no Video Game support at all,Same. We'll probably get nothing but visual novels and create your own adventures instead.
>>724302815>there is an audience out there for a deep RPG and adult video game experienceWhich is why Veilguard, Awoved, and VtMB2 were so successful. Can't wait for the sequels.
>>724301159Safia never diablerized anyone... that we know of.
>>724303571>completely moving the goalpostYou ignored my post about Larian having a huge budget and throwing everything into it. Those three didn't. Avowed was good anyway.
>>724303124I had an impression Paradox said, they would license VtMB if there was an offer. But they also have licensing rules, which will demand a game focused on niggers and trannies, so there's that.
All I ever dreamed of was the Bloodlines 2 game that combines the freedom of choice and worldbuilding from Fallout New Vegas with character writing and production values from Cyberpunk 2077. That would make me die happy.
>>724303654>spoiler And Obsidian is still going to undergo mass layoffs
>>724303695that was confirmed as a fake rumour
They are going to improve Bloodlines 2. The question is the scope of possible improvements. Some fixes can be knocked out in a week. Others will take 2-3 months, minimum. And it's all ultimately constrained by budget/sales tradeoffs.
>>724303619Safia in general comes off as more of a Sabbat fangirl rather than an actual Sabbat member. I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't even officially IN the Sabbat.
>>724303769They will do their little bug fixes and publish DLC that people paid for and call it a day. This will not get the Cypberpunk treatment
>>724303769Will they then rewrite a story to be less retarded and allow us to make any choices?
>>724303654To an extent, you also are moving the goalposts by pretending that budget is the main issue with "Western adult RPG experience" games and not the fact that no one knows fornsure how to make a successful one.
>>724303905>pretending that budget is the main issue with "Western adult RPG experienceIt is though because the budget is the main thing that affects the game. If you're being cheap with your product, you'll get a subpar experience especially if you're trying to go AAA which is what these three act like. Other issues play into it but the budget is key.
>>724303769Strong parallels to Dying Light 2. That game shipped in a rough state because studio leadership at Techland was a nepotism-fest that refused to listen to internal and external criticism. TCR allegedly suffer from "arrogant" and vindictive leadership who are currently grovelling to Paradox with "gib monies please" requests.
>>724303787Safia says that she went with sabbat because "they're honest". Her ideology beyond "burn it all down" seems murky.
>>724303825Maybe. Making the branches more branchy wouldn't be THAT expensive. They are bringing back the actors for story DLC, so...
>>724304273The DLC was probably already made and just cut off from the main game to be sold just like the clans were
>the company that only makes walking sims makes a giant section that's just a walking simWho could ever have seen this coming?
>>724304193>Safia says that she went with sabbat because "they're honest"Uh huh. Like I said - Sabbat fangirl that bought into their propaganda. Because the upper echelons of Sabbat are as manipulative and realpoliticky as Camarilla if not more so.Just so you know, this whole "we are apex predators that don't care for the Masquerade" is a big, fat lie. They do care. Hoo boy, they do care.
>>724304316No, the Benny/Ysabella DLC didn't exist until a few weeks ago. TCR pitched them in September The DLC clans were made because they sliced up the Malk DLC to make Fabien.
>>724304360Oh I see then. Well hopefully the time between now and the DLC release lets them do game fixes and updates to improve it. Wouldn't surprise me if we get a roadmap at some point
>>724303804Even if it did. The writing and characters are irredeemably shit. There's no diamond to de-rough here, just a turd to polish.
Huh. Safia's VA is actually surprisingly cute. But no, doing a facescan of a VA would be too hard, I assume.
>>724304507Looking a bit megamind
>>724295173What do you guys think is the best ending for this game? Tolly is a annoying faggot that fits the stereotype to the extreme and shouldn't own anything. Lou choice is for capitalist and conservatives wanting order and also she's hot. Most independent choice is just giving it too the anarchs or just taking the city for yourself but I would hate to live under a elder vampire who kills anything that moves. Anarch is my personal pick
>>724304550The Second Inquisition murders everybody.Because the Seattle Camarilla court is so retarded, they deserve it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLp6vQ6_yKU
>>724304682Fucking Andrei casually calling a radio show to just posture a bit always cracks ne up.
>Makes it sound like a 3 at best if you're really squeezing out of it>gives it a 6.5/10What's the point of scoring out of 10 points if we start at fucking 5 or so and only give it lower than that when something is straight up broken instead of giving that a 1 or 0?
>>724304864For me? it's Greg, he's literally me.
>>724304407Paradox do love fucking roadmaps.
>>724304884Gaming is so fucked up that a product simply functioning as advertised, on a technical level, the lowest possible mandatory expectation of not lying to the consumer, guarantees you a "mid" score.
>>724304473>The writing and characters are irredeemably shit.The writing is very good. But it's a bit thinly sketched. Needs fleshing out with more side conversations.>>724304550The best ending would be ruling the city with Ryong as my co-Prince. But unless they add a "save my asian waifu" path that's not gonna happen.Silky has his appeal as prince. He's not a schemer. He cares about the common people. And he has principles. Tolly has benefits, but he can't really be trusted.
>>724300129>every heroic character, vampire or otherwise, is gay or black or asian or hispanicjust like real life then
>>724305328>The writing is very good.It's ontological garbage.
the game is a mess but combat is sort of fun, you have interesting vampiric abilities and shitI even like there being no weapons, because what do you even need weapons for if you can do this shit and kill people with a punch, firing guns telekinetically is kinda fun toobut the game is generally sloppily executed
>>724305416Are you one of those "boo, hoo, v5 ruined VTM" types?
>>724305526NTA. But it unironically did.
>>724299897as the first game tremere are the best and most fun clan to play as, every other clan is shit or less fun
>>724305526No.
>>724304679Are they even less retarded than the LA court? They died by chasing a fucking myth
Sarah Longthorne from the writing team cleared up the whole Safia/Cemile confusion.So Safia changed a LOT over the course of development. A few people have noticed from the files that she used to be a Tzimisce called Cemille masquerading as Tremere, and her motives and intentions had multiple revisions. But the corpse was always a fake.
>>724305526>google what the fuck is vtm>muh millenials n shiethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7o59XNTcZkGrunge and NuMetal was gritty and rebelled against the man, zoomers are the ones without any real culture but sure whatever i can tank the Nosferatu words
>>724301619It's one of the hackiest twists in any story>killer was the fake retard in plain sight nobody suspected
>>724301619You thought it was cool because you were 10
>>724295173>Be a 400-year-old Elder.>Torpor for 100 years. Didn't see the Great Depression, the invention of television, World War II, Vietnam, the invention of the internet, etc., etc.>But looks like a Zoomer.>But dresses like a Zoomer.>But knows what a Hashtag is.>But is very progressive.>But speaks modern english perfectly.>But gets beaten up by crack addicts with baseball bats, despite having demigod powers.>But it's given tasks suited for a errant girl, despite everyone saying how famous she is, and promoted to Sheriff.>But gets "Nothin Personel, kid"ed if she breaks the Masquerade ONCE by a random vampire.>This random vampire can get the drop on an ELDER VAMPIRE, whose senses allow her to hear a pin drop on the other side of a city.Nice lore consistency, fags!
>>724306278Her being a Tzimisce makes the fake body a lot more reasonable. What she did to that corpse was obviously fleshcrafting. I wonder what her original motivations were.Does anyone have a translation of the lyrics to Chanson de la Nuit Éternelle?https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=_1_FQkl3hIs&si=2u-EtZKfRMRmPgcW&feature=xapp_shareWho wants to be this song was originally about Cemile, in the same way "Down by the river" was about Daisy in BG3?
>>724306278that doesnt sound like the main issue people are having with the game but very nice
>>724306627I think "the MC is an Elder" is something they decided pretty late in development, but never adapted into the plot.Maybe the MC was supposed to be a 50 year old Neonate? Because baseball bats can't even anoy an Elder vampire as old as Phyre. 400 year old is THAT powerful already.
>>724306949There is a reason why you don't play as Elders in the tabletop, yeah.
I can't say whether I would have noticed naturally cause I'm stupid, but because of the webm here I knew Safia is the big bad, and the game is retarded with that knowledgeEvery single time Safia inserts herself into the story, Fabien says how trustworthy she is. Like seriously at least 5 times. And then whenever you question her about anything, she stutters like she's been caughtAlso I was alright with Tolly as a character until he suddenly became bossy and told you to go to the police station, when he actually kinda treated you like an elder before
>>724306949Nah, it was decided really early on. They wanted to get really far away from the whole thinblood protag thing. They originally wanted the jaded elder and the thinblood Fabien. But thinblood Fabien was miserable to listen to, so he was changed for the quirky Malk Fabien.
>>724307036Also I'm 90% sure the character relationship pop-ups lie to you in order to hide the twist. One time it said "Safia was surprised by this" when it was shit she had instigated
>>724307036>Every single time Safia inserts herself into the story, Fabien says how trustworthy she is. Like seriously at least 5 times. And then whenever you question her about anything, she stutters like she's been caughtFabien is very guilty (subconsciously and consciously) about the fact he couldn't help her with Gideon. So he shields her in his way.
First patch releasing this week, supposedly. Looking forward to seeing what they fix.
>be Tremere >tell Safia you can research the forbidden texts yourself>she goes "n-no you have so much to do let me handle it">the matter is dropped immediatelykekSince the first rule in this setting is to always trust other vampires offering their help unconditionally. Especially antitrubu Tremere Right
>>724295173this website is unusable look at all the bots/shills in this thread what a travesty
I guess that they changed Safia back to a real Tremere in part because Tremere are a popular clan and having her be a fake Tremere might annoy people.
>>724295173None of the vampire waifu appeal to me. Literally zero sex appeal compared to VV, Jeanette, Heather, etc. Issa flop, issa DOA.
>>724306627>Be a 400-year-old Elder.Indeed. >Torpor for 100 years. Didn't see the Great Depression, the invention of television, World War II, Vietnam, the invention of the internet, etc., etc.Quite so. >But looks like a Zoomer.In what sense? They look pretty normal unless you put them in weird make-up and piercings. >But dresses like a Zoomer.They initially are dressed in a tacky old dress. After-ward they wear whatever is in Dale's ward-drobe. According to Fabien, Dale's dress sense is highly erratic. >But knows what a Hashtag is.They don't. They openly get confused when Lou uses the term hashtag and Lou realizes the issue. >But is very progressive.This is entirely a choice thing. You can be pretty horrible if you want. I will however admit that their protectiveness of Verona is bizarre given how old they are. >But speaks modern english perfectly.Fair. They could've given them some old timey expressions. Fabien feels more dated in mannerisms than Phyre does. >But gets beaten up by crack addicts with baseball bats, despite having demigod powers.Only thin-bloods and ghouls. Which admittedly is an issue in it's own right, though lore wise they are weakened. >But it's given tasks suited for a errant girl, despite everyone saying how famous she is, and promoted to Sheriff.Fair complaint. Though it seems like 'Sheriff' in Seattle is just a easy word for 'Ryong/Lou's bitch boy'. Benny clearly despised the job. >But gets "Nothin Personel, kid"ed if she breaks the Masquerade ONCE by a random vampire.Agreed. Weird. Everyone at least begrudgingly admits you're the strongest vampire in the city so this makes no sense. >This random vampire can get the drop on an ELDER VAMPIRE, whose senses allow her to hear a pin drop on the other side of a city.Again yeah. Weird.
>>724306278Neato. Y'know only tangibly related but I feel like if Safia was into Fabien rather than Gideon the plot would work better. The meta irony that Safia's actions killed him would be one hell of a thing to shove in her face at the final boss fight.
>>724304550Lou taking over because she's hot. Plus I enjoy cities in VTM being run by incompetent power-hungry ambitious pricks. It's way more interesting for things to be in a constant position of fucking up rather than running smoothly.
>>724305771Yes, actually. LaCroix was actually scarily competent if paranoid and hotheaded. And his two closest primogens, Strauss and Gary, are very competent at their job, even thought neither of them even trusts the Prince to begin with. And LaCroix chasing after the myth isn't really that much of a dumb decision, given that the myth can potentially wake up and cause trouble for everyone. I'll take that kind of paranoia over fucking Tolly dismissing Sabbat rumors out of hand, because lol lmao.Also, unlike the LA Court, where nobody trusts each other to the point of dysfunction, the Court in Seattle is so trusting that for 80 years, nobody did a background check on Safia, because "she's so nice" and only had a wake up call once she murdered the Prince.So yeah, I'll take LaCroix and his paranoia.
>>724305771Wasn't Lacroix only in charge of LA for a few years? Lou has to be better just on the notion that she's been running Seattle since the Great Fire. Plus Lou was never dumb enough to befriend the fuckin' Kuei Jin.
>>724302061Tourette and her Daddy Fucked Me So Hard I Loved And Hated It And Developed Split Personalities thing isn't really a good measuring stick for what's considered normal.
>>724308665She had vampires amongst her partners. Getting laid is a two-way street.
>>724308587To be fair, LaCroix would've allied himself with Sabbat themselves if it means getting rid of Nines, who was a royal pain in his ass. And Nines was too popular to just kill off, because that's a PR disaster ready to happen.Also, LaCroix was stuck in an impossible situation. He was essentially an expendable tool to Camarilla that was setup to fail. He fails, nobody is going to cry over him, he succeeds, cool, more territory for Camarilla.
>>724308859Even getting into that position speaks of prior fucks up, though. But I'll give him that he probably did the best he could with what he had.
>>724307174My biggest issue is that Phyre gets struck by some kind of blood curse, and yet Safia isn't immediately on his shitlist.
>>724295173The story isn't bad at all.BUT WHO CARES ABOUT THE FUCKING STORY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN IMMERSIVE RPG ABOUT BEING A VAMPIRE AND DOING TRIVIAL VAMPIRE THINGS.Nobody even remembers VTMB's story.
>>724309284I remember VTMB's story. It was hilarious.
I was watching leaked footage of the Hardsuit version and the thing that strikes me is that the leaked footage has none of the "RPG" stuff from the E3 demo. I think that RPG stuff was just fake. I think it was just fluff put into the E3 demo because that's what VTMB1 fans wanted to see, but Hardsuit had no idea whatsoever how to actually deliver that.This is so obviously a placeholder for the RPG stats and mechanics they promised but had no clue how to actually build.
>>724295173Ok, shill.I won't play your woke game though.
>>724295173this game had great traversal mechanics. you really feel like an undead specter flying through the night.
>>724309446>it was all HSL's fault!Yeah yeahSo why didn't TCR add even a single RPG mechanic?
What happened to Dan Pinchbeck? Him leaving The Chinese Room has such a strange vibe to it. I can't believe it was voluntary. He hasn't posted on twitter in years.
>>724309765Shockingly similar to how Blood Hunt played in that respect. Feels like a lot of how VTMB2 works is in the same vein. Including looking for civilians with particular blood types to get blood points.
>>724309954Because TCR were not inclined to. The original vision for TCR's VTMB2 was basically an action game with dialogue choices. Basically, imagine Doom, but you can talk to the demons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVo_KKW_a5Y
>>724310342MINDBROKEN by TOLLY.
>>724310342Imagine crying at seeing a flaming fruit in your vampire game.
>>724310342He's obnoxious to everyone even in-game, to be fair. Fabien is one of the nicest people in the whole thing and the default voice of reason- And he can't stand Tolly.
>>724310342This is the guy who was complaining on twitter asking why characters were moaning when they got bitten, right? And everyone was dunking on him for being a complete moron.
>>724310342its really funny to me that you get slammed in the face with his golem easily within 30 minutes of starting the game
>shill is so focused on samefagging to pretend there is a pro-Tolly consensus, he didn't even notice the video is about the writing in general and not just the fag
>>724305771they died from getting sideways to some cainite trickery
>>724310893The video whines about Tolly repeatedly, and then inexplicably whines about Lou? And Benny? And the video is by a complete moron who complained about vampire victims moaning sexually.
>>724295173Paradox needs to be raked over the coals for sabotaging this project.
>>724311013>combines two complaints about the video in one post, which were previously made in two postsWhat a coincidenceAnd I have no idea what twitter drama you're referring to, since I'm not paid to monitor what people are saying about this abortion of a game on social mediaGo ahead and tell me why some guy complaining about moaning means the game's writing is goodYou yourself even said several times that TCR fired their only good writer
Are there any proper waifus in the game? I need my goth girl fix.
>>724300939This looks graphically a generation ahead of what TCR cooked up in their soi labs.
>>724311240vtmb2 isn't goth
Has anyone played Final Nights or Antitribu? Are they worth checking out?
>>724310893The video doesn't seem to have a clear point about the writing. It's really not clear what it's complaining about.
>>724311285No it doesn't.>>724311240Yea, there are waifus. But not really goth ones.
>>724311240Not really. There's Patience the Toreador whose romanceable, but she's more of a art student than a goth. There's Verona whose kind of got the 'look' but you can't romance her. Lou is probably the hottest woman in the game but she's more 1950's Southern Mommy than Goth.
>>724295173>>724295194>>724295237Nice try, but you are not fooling anyone.
>>724310342i liked tolly from the previews and gameplay vids.haven't played the game tho, i'll probably wait for some patches and whatever DLC if any
Well now that this game has landed and is painfully mediocre, how would YOU save the VtM/WoD brand in vidya?
>>724310342Holy shit that's way worse than I thought it'd be.
>>724315396it intrinsically can't be savedthe original setting was already the product of a team of faggot hippies and neo pagans and was only palatable because the definitions of the mechanics are intentionally vague to promote roleplay over rollplayeven during this heyday the writing in some of the releases was considered heavyhanded and gay even for its timeevery one of those people is long gone and have been replaced by corporate faggots that cycle in and out every few yearsall of the modern games we've gotten this past decade show off this inescapable rotthe best you could hope for is that the central story is passable even if its riddled with plotholes and the lore is inconsistent if not outright being raped (again) and the characters are one note and forgettablewhat you often get ends up being much worse, like with thisWoD in its ideal form was a flash in the pan and everyone involved who doesn't have direct financial stake in it should ignore any new official media and stick to the old stuffVtM is the only WoD property that really has any longevity because everything else has some sort of flaw that ruins it or its just really stupid conceptually when it comes to actually playing it
>>724315396CRPGs. It's the only way to really do table top games justice
>>724295579Only when you control Phyre and it is indeed one of better parts of the game. But when you play as Fabien, you can only walk around and speed flow of time if you press shift to make the whole experience less painful. Parkour as Fabien does not make much sense since everything happens on the ground when you play as him.
>>724301904If you like Coteries you'll love Shadows, because Coteries is cringe woke shit and Shadows is peak Lasombra kino.
>>724316730I think Fabien got limited out of parkour because he's narratively a wimp who wouldn't try it if he could help it. He pretty openly avoids conflict, tries to mitigate confrontation and seemingly very rarely if ever got into fights with people. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the idea of jumping around roof-tops was a little too spooky for him. He is pretty taken aback at Phyre's parkour'ing the first time it happens. Not saying that to shit on him, I like the guy, but his bravery is more the 'doing something tough for a friend' type than 'I'd trade fists to settle something' type.
>>724315396retcon V5 stuff away and focus on games set during the DA time period.
>>724316839Just started it now actually and I'm enjoying it a lot more than Coteries the ending of that was shit and whack
>>724317378would have thought a guy from the 1920s would at least know how to use gun
>>724316575This.It seems like almost every modern AAA RPG (if you can even call vtmb2 "AAA") is allergic to RPG mechanics (Roleplaying? Skills checks? No! You should just have 3 replies, and only one way of solving anything: killing everyone and moving to the next room).CRPGs seems like the only subgenre where they can't avoid doing the work and actually still bother to make dialogue trees, multiple paths, heavy lore, interesting characters, etc. And the cherry on top? Cheaper to make: just grab a Dev studio from eastern europe (that probably is already filled with fans of the franchise) and give them enough time and resources to make something soulful.
>>724319170I would've hoped that BG3 would've kicked started a trend in CRPG copy cats. Only Owlcat are really doing anything but that's all they've ever done really.
>>724319170I guess we will have to see what Heartless Lullaby will be like
>>724319537BG3 was a behemoth.I doubt we will get something similar in the near future.
>>724318104I love DA but I feel like being modern vampires is like the edge VTM has over other fantasy
>>724301587I don't think vampires have any sex drive, so that's one of the reason they wouldn't. Any need for sex would be purely psychological
>>724306494>It's one of the hackiest twists in any storyIt's fucking Scary Movie
>>724319537Unfortunately the only thing BG3 did was make all other developers kick and scream:>"WHAAAAT WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!! YOU CAN'T EXPECT US TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!! IT'S UNFAIR!!!"And then Obsidian shat out Avowed, a technically worse game than even Skyrim for fuck's sake.
>>724295173>~12 hour game>~6 hours as Phyre>~6 hours as Fabien>DLC with ~3 hours as Benny>DLC with ~3 hours as Ysabela>Playing as your protagonist unironically has less content than playing as other charactersWhat did they mean by this?
In other VtM game news Bloodhunt is closing down>https://bloodhunt.com/en-us/news/bloodhunt-servers-will-close-on-april-28-2026
>>724322374>What did they mean by this?"We had a completely different walking simulator in mind but were stuck making Bloodlines 2".
>>724306494So, exactly what Bloodlines 2 did?
>>724295173General impression I've seen is that the main plot and atmosphere are alright, but the lack of meaningful side content or variety in gameplay makes it an eventual slog to get through. I'm sad that the original attempt of making a full RPG couldn't pan out, but I guess Chinese Room at least actually got something out the door.
>>724295173So it's typical chineese room walking sim, that's only focused on story and gameplay aspect is completly ignored.Just what I was expecting moment chineese room was announced as developer.
hope you pirated this garbage
>>724323165Won't even pirate, man.
>>724323251me neither was directed at OP people talking about the story this isn't worth any of my time
ACK!
what do you think is the appropiate discount to pull the trigger on this?
>>724301587Vampires in WoD(so VtM) completly lose sex drive and interest in sex. For them sex and seduction could be way to get some blood, but vampires have no sex drive. On other hand ghouls want to fuck their masters constantly and are always horny for their vampire(who can't even get horny).
>>724323392they'd have to pay me 200$ an hour to play this garbage
>>724323413>vampires that don't want to fuckWhite Wolf was always trash.
>>724303986So here we are back to the "purely economical reasons".> Look, the game must fully consist of twitter-tier libtardation, so the it SELLS to modern audience.> Listen, the game just needed to have HIGH BUDGET to SELL to modern audience.I dunno, anon. Maybe this (and other mentioned games) could have exactly the same graphics teams, gameplay teams, and budgets, but just different characters and different stories?
>>724323392$10? It would be that in a year.
>thread inspired me to check out /tg/ for the first time in years>it's worse than /co/mblrWhat the FUCK happened there?
>>724321553It's worse. Games like BG3 and earlier Witcher 3 do irrepairable damage to industry, because games to follow get ruined by superficial traits taken from them. "Voiced protagonist adult experience for modern audience", this type of thing.
>>724323968 worse than /co/ in what way?can't be more left-wing than /co/
>>724323968Nah /tg/ isn't worse than /co/mblr. They frequently smell their farts on always pretending to be "le enlightened centrists" and better than any other board.
>>724295173Just started playing it and it looks nice but it's really annoying to play. Fabien would be a good npc by himself but as a voice in your head he just doesn't stop talking and it feels like you can't experience the game by yourself. He also tells you what to do all the time and I can never get into the mood of taking a break from the plot and exploring the city. The fact that so far there doesn't seem to be anything interesting there doesn't help. Combat also sucks and seems to be mostly punching and hoping to feed while a bunch of generic enemies keep hitting you. Oh and the cursor changing when there's the rare item around, it makes me want to focus on the cursor instead of exploring for myself so it ruins the otherwise cool atmosphere.
>>724323968/tg/ is one of the few good boards left on this site and even then its a shadow of its former self.
This is surprisingly good. Is their Werewolf and Hunter stuff any good?
>>724325010I've not played the Werewolf one, but I've heard good things. The Hunter one is pretty bad
The more I hear about this game the more I want to strangle everyone responsible for it, how do you fuck up this bad, how do you look at VTMB and this is what you decide to do with it. It makes not fucking sense.
>>724322796I miss Elif.I have a feeling she would've been more interesting than Safia. Also, the fact they decided to Ugly Betty-fy one of the sexiest characters in the previous build is not lost on me.
>>724323968/tg/ is chill as fuck. I wish more boards were like it instead of this hellshithole called /v/
>>724325165Easy.HSL fucked up, years of work with no actual game to show for it. Paradox axes the project but is pissy they shat all this money down the drain. Looks to reuse the assets for as cheep as they possibly could to release SOMETHING, The Chinese Room ends up being the cheapest option.
>>724325213>Ugly Betty-fy one of the sexiest characters in the previous buildTo who did they do that?
>Roleplaying game>Lol jk your choices don't even matter
>>724325405People think they uglified Lou which is hilarious. Sure she had bigger tits in HSL's version but her face in TCR's version is way better
>>724325010Out for blood and Sins of the sire are the only ones I'd call "bad." Night road and Parliament of Knives are the best.
>>724303571Avowed is the closest to an RPG among those, and it's not a very good one. I don't know what your point is
>>724325548Nah Lou looks fine and very sexy. I don't think her puppies are smaller to any meaningful degree compared to the HSL version. Also, people need to realize that she was never going look like pic-related during her cinematic reveal since...well...that was a carefully designed cinematic. Things always look better in those.
>turn over benny to the camarilla>hand verona over to lou>talk shit about katsumi and anarchs at every opportunity>stroke lou's ego whenever able>decide not to kill katsumi since they obviously aren't sabbat>immediately locked into the ending where i shove lou off the roof and hand the keys to the city to katsumicool game
>>724303986>It is though because the budget is the main thing that affects the gamI'd argue not. The AAA industry has demonstrated that time and again. Competency and room to actually make something that isn't a conveyer belt product are more important than a big budget. Bugdet definitely helps and makes more things possible, but it doesn't do anything if that's all they have
>>724325921Those are obviously bigger than what we got, don't be a fucking lying bitch dude.
>>724303124Paradox has said that they're tired of the IP and are willing to lend it out to anyone that wants to make something with it
>>724326051Looks like shes just wearing a push up bra actually which you would know if you weren't a virgin.
>>724307843And all that did was annoy Tremere fans because she doesn't feel like a Tremere at all and people still think she's a Tzimisce in disguise.
>>724303124What? Do you realize how many video games and V5 sourcebooks Paradox has licensed out since buying WW?
>>724325923Shit like this is why I'm killing the SI leader and letting everyone die because fuck if I'm going to read a guide and micromanage everything I say because you can apparently only become prince by picking a fight with everyone and acting like a moron.
>>724326123not that poster but they're obviously bigger
>>724325397What's interesting about Hardsuit's game is the level and art and even to a degree character designers did such a good job, but everything else about their game seemed to be utterly fucked.As for what happened to TCR's version it sorta seems like it started out way too action focused and then tried to pivot back towards being more like VTMB1 in the last 18 months. So it's trapped between styles.
>>724325010I'm not sure if it's the same authors but I read The Book of Hungry Names (werewolf) and Beast of Glenkildove (hunter). I didn't finish the latter but I think I can put that down mostly to me not liking the concept, or not being in the mood for it. I don't think I can judge its quality based on that, so I'll just leave it aside. Werewolf I did finish. It was fun. The antagonists are interesting and very odd but in a good way. The story in general is pretty good. You do need some tolerance for "wokeness" because a) werewolf has that baked into the plot, where werewolves live on the outskirts of society and are miserably losing a war against civilization b) the writers sometimes lean into that angle in a way that's absolutely laughable.Also check out Parliament of Knives. Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person who read it or liked it. It's a vampire game. You play as a dyed in the wool cammie (at least at the start) and the story is much more about political intrigue. It's more limited in scope than Night Road in terms of clans and discipline usage but I think it's generally a good thing and allows the story to be deeper. It's the best of the bunch in my opinion.
>>724326097wish they just sold it to someone else
>>724326123What is this new cope? Absolute pilpul.
>>724326406Yeah, what was even the point of buying it? To shit out a bunch of visual novels and a fucking BATTLE ROYALE? It took them like a decade to get Bloodlines 2 out, and that's the only "real" game they managed to release, and look at the state of it. Absolute incompetence
>>724326619They wanted to cash in on Bloodlines Cult status to make Bloodlines 2
>>724326619They also released a new version of the tabletop game
>>724326051Dude what did I say above? That was a cinematic. Cinematics have always depicted characters better than their in-game depictions. Pic-related is how her model would most likely had looked like in the HSL's final version. And also a clear comparison between the models. She's probably smaller booba-wise, but only by a tiny small margin. She's still very busty and thicc.
>>724326690Well they dropped the ball on that one
>>724326849Plus her face looks better in CR's version.
>>724326775Was that also badly received?
>>724326775And all the new versions are considered inferior to previously released books
Liked it overall. Even the detective parts.Shame they had to make it from scraps of what was made before. Also don't bother playing on normal or hard. Just set it to easy.
>>724327032For moving the setting forward and some rule changes, yeah. But there have been a lot of sourcebooks for it, it was hardly a failure.>>724327070If you're a LARPer than V5 is worse, sure, because although it consolidated some disciplines it still added a lot of crunch overall.
>>724326849>>724326938>She's probably smaller booba-wise, but only by a tiny small margin.>Her tits aren't smaller!>Maybe they're smaller but not that much smaller! So they're not smaller!>I mean even if they were smaller it's not like it matters!>Akshually her tits being smaller is a GOOD thing!You fucking idiots are irritating
>>724327070Only larping yuropoors hate v5.
>>724327201I heard that V5 made a lot of changes to the lore that were for the worse. Didn't Paradox also shut down White Wolf?
>>724327201I'm pretty sure the LARPers prefer V5 since it was designed to accommodate themand H5 is weaker than Vigil and other books and W5 is also just bad
>>724316730the movement's main narrative purpose is to remind me that bloodhunt is dead and never coming backwho cast a hex upon world of darkness video games to make them all flop or suck or both
>>724327397They did, but they brought it back and consolidated all the WoD IP under the WW brand>https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/news/white-wolf-announcement
>>724327404Nope. V5 added actual mechanics to things like hungar which before was just up to role-playing. Compared to V20, which was more concerned with aesthetics and looking cool, V5 refocused on horror as well. People who don't play tabletop perpetuate the (false) meme that V5 was made for LARPers because disciplines were consolidated when in truth it made the game harder for larpers to play.>>724327397Lore changes were unpopular which they then walked back with later sourcebooks. The Sabbat all being in the middle east was reconned later, for example, along with the Tremere getting fucked. Some of the clans joining the Camarilla is still weird though (Lasombra and Banu Hakim)
>>724327519Man, I hope this means we can get some WoD games that aren't complete shit
>>724327764? You realize nothing changes right? WW is basically a brand owned by Paradox
Should've they made Fab even quirkier?Or would that be too annoying?
>>724327764It's still owned by Paradox, so I doubt anything will change, but they are apparently doing some game announcements in November
Watching the new soundtrack video they posted got me thinking about how Bloodlines 2 being so fast paced, having vampire speed, gliding, all that stuff kinda robs you of the slow walking urban vibes. Maybe they need to add some missions where you literally walk and talk with an NPC to soak this stuff in.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR5qY4eTMBg
>>724327883>>724328095Man, let me have some hope. I'm grasping for whatever I can find. This franchise has been a mess since it started
>>724326849Gaslighting is supposed to be subtle.
>>724328239Maybe that's why they didn't include many Ric Schaffer tracks
>>724322796This is Mass Effect Andromeda tier, surely it's from the alpha or something?
>>724323392Uncle Tim was nice enough to buy it for you.
>>724328241fools' hope is the only thing available anon,You can play a demo for one of the new Hunter CYOA novels coming out next month
>>724328303Now you're realizing why HSL had their game canceled
>>724325921It's another globohomo-horny "mommy" character, and as with any fetish, it can both attract and repel (not to mention, mommy fetish with canonically female protagonist is somewhat out of place). When people talk about sexy characters, they tend to mean universal sexual appeal, like in Monster Hunter Wilds or at least, I dunno, Zelda or something.
>>724328239absolutely, i have no idea why they weren't playing more tunes when you were just on the streetswhen they actually play the music they're a step above a lot of games now because they're not just amorphous blobs of sounds but then they tease me by having only 10 minutes of music in an hours long game where the rest is just city ambiance
>>724328448Those WoD CYOA games are pretty good.
>>724328565They are a mixed bag, but some can be good. The format itself is not inherently a negative, it just doesn't attract a wider audience like a big CRPG would have or if Bloodlines 2 were a better game
>>724315396A Larian-made CRPG
>>724328784Lmfao the only good rpg they ever made was BG3
I want a Technocracy game.
>>724328842I enjoyed both divinity original sin 1 and 2.
>>724295237>now that deserves at least half a point, so 6.5/10.Half a point is fair, but keep in mind that what pleases you may displease others. I'll take your score of 5.5 as believable and pass on this one.
>>724328918Garbage games especially if we're judging them as RPGs
>>724319693Make just the equivalent to the first chapter, sell it for 40-50 bucks, there you go.
>>724328887I hate how silly mage can get, needs some tone policing.
>>724325923>Sparing an Anarch >Ever Nah that's on you, chief. The instant the option came up to get rid of those fucks was the instant I earned myself the Lou ending. Which still kinda sucked because the slide-show gimmick is terrible.
>>724328887People barely care about the werewolves, literally no one but the sweatiest of /tg/ nerds could give a damn about mage.
>>724325923I good Cammie wouldn't have passed up a chance to kill the local Anarch leader
>>724329115What do you mean?
>>724329115Most of the WoD got pretty silly, I think the only one that didn't was Wraith
Finished it today.It was an okay game with some things that really drag it down.Main thing is being called Bloodlines 2 when it's very different from the first game.Traversal is nice but the city is too large and empty.You find enemies on rooftops which doesn't make a lot of sense, they just sit there freezing their asses off waiting for you to clear them out and sometimes getting in a fight with police which for some reason are also also on those rooftops...?Sidequests might as well not be there.I ended up liking Fabien but his segments felt too linear and all the walking just dragged things on.Main story and characters were interesting and made me want to keep going but there were some dumb/head-scratching moments here and there Combat doesn't really come together and you feel weak given that you're an elder but I appreciate that I was able to find a power combo that made me feel like an apex predator coming out of the shadows, snapping necks and draining people before disappearing back into the shadows.Good atmosphere and moody music.I had already made peace with the fact that this won't be VTMB2 and what's there was good enough to make me want to finish it.
>>724329115>Fishmalks in your path.
>>724329369This is a deep exploration of the vampiric condition, though.
>>724322374Took me seventeen hours to clear, but I did fuck around and do every side-quest. Won't be buying the Ysabella dlc (she sucks). MIGHT get Benny's if only because he's hilariously edgy.
>>724329440>she boughted the game
>>724328887Same. it would never happen for all sorts of reasons but the Technocracy is pretty much the coolest faction out of any WoD splat. The syndicate is especially fun.
Technocracy fans are the same kind of unbearable retard that thought steampunk was cool
>>724329357I liked how the side-quests tied together with the plot by the end at least. Granny Tremere wanting to be Prince, Niko and the Lasombra sending you after people Fabien knew. But yeah ultimately they didn't matter much. Would've been nice if completing all of them netted some kind of alternative ending perhaps? The enemies on the roof-tops are a little random but they're decent targets at least for trying out new disciplines.
>>724329649STEAMPUNK IS COOL FUC KYOU
>>724329649no that's The Sons of Ether, they wanted the world to be full Steampunk
>>724329649what's the connection? Steampunk is just an aesthetic.
>>724329649No thats the etherite fans you wanker
>>724329649lol shut up Faggot.
>>724329546>Technocracy is pretty much the coolest faction out of any WoD splat. The syndicate is especially fun.Sorry Anon, we can't let you play as the techno mages because... we just can't ok!? Enjoy playing a shitter nobody forever! - Paradox when M5 comes out
>>724329836>we can't let you play as the techno mages because... we just can't ok!?same reason the V5 Sabbat book doesn't have rules to play Sabbat Campaigns
>>724329649>Seething tradcuckie How's it feel to be the designated jobber?
>>724329649What does Steampunk have to do with the Technocratic Union? The Technocracy are the ones with the Men in Black, T-800's, Plasma Weapons, Clone Attack Dinosaurs, Warbots and Satellite Lasers.
>>724329836>m5 ever coming outEven changeling got a new book before you mage faggots
>>724329937Except the Sabbat arent cool.
>>7243299375th edition really doesn't want you to have fun. Even H5 got cucked >Orgs are...le bad and you can't play as them
>>724330026Wait Changeling got a book?
>>724310582dunno about the twatter drama, but i can tell you that when i played everybody moaned like a cheap ukrainian whore when getting the succ - including the male hobos and businessmen.
>>724329836I can't really complain. The technocracy being the bad guy is part of their vision. It's dumb but they have been very consistent about their "punk"/counterculture politics from the start.
>>724330186Anon don't admit to sucking off hobos, have some dignity.
>>724330026I'm sure the 5 people in the world who played changeling will enjoy the gay elfs or whatever
Are there ANY modern games with an atmosphere like VTMB1? Doesn't have to be about vampires cause I know how rare those are. Just any game with the same vibes
Which faction is the most underdog and shit on. I wanna be that guy. Am I just a normal ass hunter. or a bystander lmao.
>>724330253Ravnos tanked that.
>>724330306Deus ex?
>>724330365Thin-Blood's probably. Hunters hate them, most vampires hate them, they have no cool powers to speak of. They're more or less the single worst thing in the setting. You'd genuinely be better off being a ghoul than a thin-blood.
>>724330247nigger if i had any dignity left i would never in my life admit to touching vtmb 2.
>>724330461Oh yeah. Damn that would suck.
>>724330306Maybe RoboCop.
>>724330221>The technocracy being the bad guy is part of their vision.Untill you realise that despite all the shit they do their alternatives are way worse for sleepers.
>>724330186There's a bug that makes the wrong voice line play. Getting fixed this week I think.
>>724330508How does that contradict what he said?
>>724330614Topaz might be a money-sucking leech, but she's not a vampire. Get out of this Caine-blessed thread.
>>724330461They are still a good bit stronger and more resilient than most humans and they are almost unaffected by sunlight.
>>724328512>universal sexual appealNo such thing. There's a rough minimum bar to separate the uggos from the decent-looking of course, but everyone's got their own preferences, kinks and fetishes.
>>724330508Most countercultures are dogshit in any practical manner when applied in a generalist way. It's not very contradictory for white wolf or whoever is writing.The cult of ecstacy straight up have cheese pizza sometimes and way worse and it takes new people in their org to clear that shit out because the big guys don't care. It's pretty bad in most traditions.
why aren't hunters equipped with these if they know vampires will be around
>>724331048The spooks will lock you up for terrorism?
>>724331098assholes...
>>724331048Because using a Flamethrower in populated areas would be a huge risk to the surrounding area and people?
>character models are goodI simply refuse to believe there isn't a massive shitposting/shilling campaign trying to make this game seem better than it is. Who could possibly sincerely think this?
>>724331161>would be a huge risk to the surrounding area and people?God will forgive me
>724331167>Uh oh people are actually talking about WoD I better make a bad troll post
>>724327219>>724328273Shitposting is also supposed to be somewhat clever or else it devolves into plain hateposting
>>724331048It's too inconspicuous, no vampire is going to go up against you if they see a dude packing a fucking flamethrower, but they might put a ghoul following to find out where you live, then you are fucked, think in terms of spionage and counter-insurgence, not direct warfare.Vampires are like Cartels, they infiltrate and turn your people into assets, if attack directly they're scurry away and disappear.The hardest part is finding out who and where the vampires are, then taking care of them is a matter of punching in the coordinates on the missile.
>>724310524Fabien is even worse than Tolly. The dude is constantly talking but never saying anything. All he does is spout situational color commentary, sarcastic jokes and quips. Like every time you finish a quest he goes "we should return to the quest giver" or when you're doing that hand/finger puzzle he's constantly reminding your of the fact that you just found a finger and need 3, 2 or 1 more. AND WHEN YOU HAVE THEM ALL HE STARTS MAKING HAND PUNS! Fuck this self insert, OC DONUT STEEL faggot. AND YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIS DOGSHIT THE WHOLE GAME.
>>724331251>calling the character models in vtmb2 bad is trollingYou're not going to gaslight me into thinking this looks good.
>>724325548No, I actually meant Elif's conversion into Safia, because allegedly Elif was a "base" for Safia.We went from a sexy vamp to a nerd in a frumpy clothes.
>>724331514SIGH. guess i'll bring the flamethrower if we ever find the goddamn burrow.
>>724331609If you dont think Safia is sexy then I dont know what to tell you
>>724330508They are the undisputed good guys of the setting in my eyes but that's obviously not how the writers see it.
>>724331595It's perfectly decent. Sorry, you wont' convince me this is just as bad as some of the awful shit we've been seeing. Are you saying it's in the same league as something like Dragon Age Veilguard?
>>724331770She fucking dies so who cares
>>724331048Better organised ones are. Just there are not many groups of well organised hunters.Also from gameplay perspective if hunters show up with flamethrower this most likey means party wipe.
>>724331515I thought he was funny personally. Guess he just wasn't to your tastes.
>>724331595anon its not bad. go look up a video on outer worlds 2 npcs if you need a reminder of what bad models are.
>>724331048This is what the Second Inquisition does then they blame the collateral damage on ISIS
>>724331770She is, that's why I said she had gotten an Ugly Betty treatment. You know, a clearly pretty girl pretending to be a homely lass.
>>724332094Ugly Betty was fucking hideous though. Goblina.
>>724331595The fuck? She's the hottest woman in the game. I would be a Nosferatu's blood-doll for a year if it meant getting ten minutes in Lou.
>>724332009I like funny characters too. But more like Fat Larry-funny. Or cynically funny, like targeted humor that makes fun of someone not just a "funny" comment on the situation. When i hear something like "well that just happened" i want to kill that character, and i'm not joking.
>>724331220Just how hardcore is your average Inquisitor? Are we talking Bach levels or more like "monsters need to die, plain and simple" kind of thing?
>>724332228Fair enough. Everyone has their preferences. I've got a lot of tolerance for that kind of thing but I can see why it would piss other people off.
>>724332254The second one
>>724329357>You find enemies on rooftops which doesn't make a lot of senseIt's actually kind of comical the war that progresses in the rooftops as the game goes on. I didn't take the high way too often, but when I did shocked at the level of arms race going on. I guess that's how you would to a vamp war though.
>>724332319That's the thing tho. If Bloodlines 2 had the same caliber of characters, dialogue writing and VO, that Bloodlines 1 does, all would have been forgiven. The whole trainwreck of no gear, no items, no character creation could have been avoided if the rest had been on par with Bloodlines 1. It would be another flawed masterpiece cult classic.
>>724331835>but that's obviously not how the writers see itThat kinda goes for other splats >Cammies want to keep things running mob style, doing whatever they can to keep kine in the dark and most vampires from killing eachother (most of the time)>Organised hunters are the only ones with the power to make any meaningful change >Technocracy strives to make the world a place where everyone is free from both normal and supernatural problems And then there's werewolf. Hard to make retarded eco terrorists look bad when they're fighting a captain planet villain who also happens to serve an evil spirit.
>>724332554>I guess that's how you would to a vamp war though.Not really, Vamp war is well described in VTM. It's mostly proxy war by using ghouls, police and gangs with vampires being rerely present mostly during raid on lairs, but even then it's mostly job for ghoul to do arson. Vampires fight openly on the streets and then coverup it as gang voilence with need to fund police more.Vamps biggest weapon is influence, that's why cammy and anarchs controll media and police while sabbat to pretend they don't care about masquerade just increase crime so nobody bats an eye when there is voilence on the streets and ghoul families take care of media coverup.
I tried to play it but THE GAME KEEPS RAPING MY EYES WITH REDPURPLEBLUE EVERY FUCKING TIMEAQAQQQQQQAAAAAAAA
>>724301995>Reckoning>ditch the artstyle for AI art>ditch shadow's composerDunno what the fuck they were thinking. I wish the text game's v5 system could be integrated into any new VNs, but >>724328565I played Parliament of Knives and it seems insanely convoluted. Tried to get the Night Clan ending, but uh, apparently being disloyal is a requirement for most endings?
>>724328565I wish I could read them on my kindle. I don't want to be reading that at my desk but maybe I can get them on my tablet.
>>724331914I think it's WORSE than Veilguard, what the fuck are you smoking? Phyre herself looks straight out of that fucking game. The face models are horrendous. The original Lou is hot but in the actual game she looks like a fucking tranny lmao. You people are insane or coping
>>724333564Bro your phone?
>>724332721This exactly. While I have a myriad of criticism about the quality of the game, gameplay, environments, whatever, if AT LEAST the writing were good and the characters attractive this game would've been an instant smash hit. I can understand people tolerating Fabian, but to call this character good is... there's no way any of you believe that. He's the most obnoxious self insert that literally constantly comments 60 IQ shit in your ear for no reason
>>724334346phones aren't comfy to read off
>>724300129Just wait for the inevitable wokeless VtM2 mod
>Game feels mediocre>Have some fun running around the city doing Phyre segments>Spend an hour farming retarded resonance to upgrade shit>Ok, now im starting to have fun>OOPS HERE'S A 40 MINUTE LONG FABIEN SEGMENTIt's happened three times now, and each time I've turned the game off. And frankly I don't think it's worth turning it back on to get through it.
I wonder where the franchise even goes from here vidya wise? There doesn’t appear to be anything on the horizon other than a disco elysium clone that’s stuck in dev hell too and so far we just have this demohttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1926120/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Heartless_Lullaby/
i look and sound like this
>>724335981>Spend an hour farming retarded resonance to upgrade shitGet the mod for x5 resonance.
>>724310342Tolly mindbreaking the chuds is peak>muh 2025 writingvampires have been gay since 1872
>>724336189can you spread your legs for us
>>724335363yeah, just like shartfield was inevitably improved by mods.you would need to remake the whole fucking thing to get modders interested, at least any one aspect ought to shine for people to bother trying to improve the rest of it and there is absolutely nothing to salvage here.
>>724336016>franchiseAre you talking about the WoD IP or the Bloodlines franchise? Because the former is firmly in indie/aa hands and god knows where they'll go next. But Bloodlines is basically dead. We had one game in 2004 and one game just now and unless a fucking miracle happens we won't be seeing another until i'm old and grey and probably in a retirement home.
>>724336234>vampires have been gay since 1872its impressive how badly this filters people. Vampires are sexual and perverse and have been like that in modern pop culture for centuries. Need these tourists to stop screeching about my based horror creatures
>>724336331For one thing a mod to lock clan powers behind only the clan you choose is probably a start. Someone made a mod that affects combat.https://www.nexusmods.com/vtmbloodlines2/mods/42
>>724336428Culture warriors don’t actually play games, they just use them to push their agendas whatever they may be
>>724336445>For one thing a mod to lock clan powers behind only the clan you chooseLiterally why. Clans have 3 Disciplines. All this game does is give a single Discipline to each clan line. There's a word for a Brujah who can only use Potence or a Ventrue that can only use Dominate, it's called being a fledgling.
>>724336189Catbox it. Now.
>>724336368Yeah i was talking about VtM/WoD overall. As for Bloodlines paradox actually said they’d be willing to license it out, though i’m not sure anyone would be willing to take it on at this point. Bloodlines 2 budget was around $60m so it needs a million copies sold and it’s probably not hitting that
>>724336428Oscar Wilde would turn his nose up at modern homosexuality. You niggers are so gay.
>>724336641>it's called being a fledgling.Eh, even within the tabletop's system, a fledgeling can use all three disciplines from the start, IIRC. They will usually be stuck with one dot, unless they want to burn through their VERY scarce skillpoint pool, but they can use them.
>>724336691>license it outLet's say everything goes perfectly and they sign a deal with -RPG STUDIO- today. It's still going to be 10 years until that game is done. Because a proper RPG is insanely complex and devs don't know what works until they spent years scrapping all the stuff that doesn't work. They could make an iterative sequel that is basically just Bloodlines 2.5, even reuse assets, and that might shave off a couple years but it would still be a long time.>$60m so it needs a million copies soldSave assumption would be 2 million.
>>724295173I finished VTMB2. I really don't care. It's a good one time play. Not replaying it. I'm just glad I bought the Premium edition on GOG via Argentine VPN enabled. I'm playing Redemption now and it never felt better.
>>724336428nobody cares that some characters are gay. if you think that's what people are complaining about then you're just sticking your fingers in your ears and doing the same reactionary horseshit as the people you claim are. the game isn't "woke" because there are gay characters
>>724337249>I'm just glad I bought the Premium edition on GOG via Argentine VPN enabledhow much?
>>724295173I'm having a blast, finally a game for us wokeGODS!
>>724295173This game is so dull, just boring detective flashbacks with amateur writing split up by slapping ghouls around. I have no idea how anyone could make a vampire game without any bite to it
Fabien might actually be the most annoying character I've ever encountered in vidya. We're talking tons of shitty JRPGs, "woke" western RPGs like whatever the fuck Obsidian makes, all this modern trash, and holy shit I have never ever encountered a more reddit quippy character than this faggot my entire life. And he's the closest I get to playing a Malk, my favorite clan. Yes I'm angry.
>>724337219Yeah either way, bloodlines 3 happens or not, it’ll be a long time. And i really do not think it hits 2 million, 1 million is the max i think and even that’s unsure due to relatively poor word of mouth
>>724336189MY SEATTLE
>>724337710Ok hold on I'm not done being angry>the section in the first Fabien flashback where he goes to the cell to feed on the inmate>HAHA HEEHEE FUNNY REDDIT QUIP HAHA HEEHEE>and he does this shit for like 2 minutes straight, for no fucking reason at allaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah this game fucking sucks man and this character is making me feel violent
Stopped giving any fucks about this game when the devs admitted that it's only called Bloodlines 2 to hopefully bait fans of the first game into buying it when it's not even attempting to be a sequel
>>724338059I read that the chinese room wanted to change the title and paradox wouldn’t let them
>Be a cunt to Saphia 24/7 because she's obviously hiding something>Calls Phyre 'my love' anyway halfway through the gameBravo TCR
>>724337351I think it was 52 USD or so. Anyway, that was two months ago, so the price might have changed.
>>724337249Funny how this was never mentioned in Bloodlines. Why is Bloodlines so lore-poor?
god this game is boring
>>724305675>picWhat would Scooby and the gang do in the VtM world?
>>724338519Bloodliness is Cammypilled
>>724338519It's not a line of thought that's common in the modern nights, it was really only a thing in Dark Ages time period
>(Optional) Don't break the masquerade
>>724338047Fabien gets pretty good after the 3rd night. The voice acting when he's talking to the different objects is fundamentally good
>>724338809Scooby Doo takes place in the World of Darkness, didn't you know?>>724338828It's actually funny how the Kindred in the Dark Ages are horrified that the Gehenna is right around the corner with those pesky 12th gen vampires showing up and all. And this is 13th century we are talking about.
>>724338828yeah virgin modern nights and chad Dark Ages.
>>724325923> Was aiming for a Ryong ending> SPOILERS happen> I'm left with an Anarch endingCool game CR...you couldn't even do the bare minimum and provide us with the wifu ending.
>>724339375>talking to the different objectsThat was funny in BL1 because it was pretty much an easter egg. Suddenly the started talking to the player or the STOP sign. But they turned it into a mechanic in BL2 and the novelty was instantly gone. The STOP sign on the door was a nice call back, made me smile a little, but then they kept doing it and it just pissed me off. I was like "yeah, i get it, very funny, haha." but it wouldn't stop.
it's poop
>>724328239The city looks good, but there's nothing to see or discover aside from the shitty graffiti/security cameras.By the little effort they put into fleshing the city, they made the right decision of giving you as many travel tools as they did.
>>724339709It's part of being a malkavian, it's always been a mechanic in vtm you secondary
>>724339576Yeah, extra gay. I just wanted to burn Lou and leave the city.
It feels like dishonored with no way to approach missions from different angles and has too much walking sim shit. At least the powers are fun
Has anyone tested out all the outfit effects?It seems like there's a Rich, Tough, Grungy and Sexy style.So far the only one that seems to do anything is Tough, aka Brujah, which if you intimidate Choleric-blooded people with it on they'll actually lose their Choleric out of fear.
So, does anyone enjoy it simply for what it is, not for what we wanted to it be?
>>724340242Yeah I noticed it's somewhat similar to dishonored sans the good part.
>>724340260priest has a lot of unique dialogue from all the different NPC types
>>724339861I don't give a shit about the tabletop ruleset. This is a game and repeating the same joke over and over is just terrible writing.Also, the biggest waste of VO budget is easily Bet of Night. In BL1 you heard her radio show basically everywhere. When you were in your haven or in a lobby or office, reading documents on a computer, Deb was in the background. Now you can only hear her in the haven lobby and only when exploring. Can't listen to her walking around, can't listen to her in your map or codex.
>>724340260Ah, so that's why they react differently?I just picked that tremere coat with necklace and never bothered with anything else.
>>724295173>>724295194>>724295237The game flopped, fuck off.
>>724340430The movement is nice and the combat and powers can be fun, but it really needed different ways to approach missions, like more vents and ways to tackle quests, it’s too linear in all aspects
>>724340535>i only play games with 90000000 concurrent players and 50 billion in advertising because i am 15 years old
>>724340535It’s already sold 500k copies loser
>>724340475I think the worst part is the forced humor like the gay nosferatu. It's fine that they are sexual deviants but turning it all into a comedy doesn't really cut it. Jack was shitty enough in the second game (I insist that Redemption was first), but at least he had the redeeming quality of being a step ahead of Lacroix and the protagonist when it comes to the Sarcophagus. It added some mystery to him. You don't see it in the new game. It's just a bunch of empty shells.
I will say, the area around the church in 2 did give me some 1 vibes. It feels similar to downtown in vtmb1
>>724340598You have been doing this shit for months and all you have done is made people actively root for this game's failure by being an obnoxious histrionic retard. Also I didn't say anything about player numbers but good job showing that that is bothering you by bringing it up like that. You are not going to change anyone's mind about this shit, it is getting all the flak for a reason, you just made those reasons more apparent. Now fuck off and kill yourself.
>>724340910>the shill is once again dualposting and lying to cope with shitlines failing
>>724340662Source?
>>724340598You're literally the only person to bring up sales retard. The game is shit.
>>724341016>>724340910i'm blasting a have
>>724341393I am sure you are
>>724340910lots of places look similar to vtmb. It's more of a homage than a sequel. If you go downstairs in the police station it kinda feels like the stairs of the hospital in VTMB1
>>724300129Bet of Night is SOOOOOOO fucking bad, it makes my skin crawl with the cringiness of it all
>>724340702And the best part is Golden Gary was million times funnier (not to mention more charismatic) than Tolly without even trying.>spaghetti and corpses, boss.
>>724340702>Jack was shitty enough in the second gameI consider Jack to be a "funny" character done right. He is cracking jokes but in a "don't you get it? you're being played!" way and i think he has even more serious than funny lines. Like he opens with a joke but then he lays it all out. Tolly is just constantly cracking jokes in every single line. Sure, he is delivering a message but under a thick layer of sarcasm and irony. But the worst thing about Nossies in BL2 is their design. They are basically just hunchbacks with a slightly deformed face. BL1 Nossies were legit monstrous and ugly, pieces of skin missing, black/red eyes, jagged teeth and claws. The BL2 Nossies could walk around in public without breaking the masquerade.
>>724341461They don't stop talking to yourself, you psychotic faggot.
>>724295173game's so all over the place. the scariest thing is i can have fun with the combat, it's the first not japanese game that's come out to have juggling but your only enemies are slow guy, fat guy or gun guy and you get so little perk unlocks that you can't go wild with that shit either.and then none of this makes sense because combat is only here as an obligation and makes up 10% of the game but you also can't use any clan abilities in dialogue, i haven't even seen a clan unique choice since the first quarter of the game
>>724297830>>vampVAMP doesn't mean he's a vamire. It means he's transexual.
>>724340518Yeah, you get different dialogue depending on the style too. I've also noticed Bikers refuse to flirt with you unless you're in a Tough guy or Sexy outfit
>>724341539>The BL2 Nossies could walk around in public without breaking the masquerade.come on the secret keeper guy looks like that disgusting moleman from that one anime i never watched but where I assume the "message" is that humans are the real monsters
>>724295407Bloodlines 1 was a RPG at least. Bloodlines 2 has only superficial choices that do not affect anything, with Telltale style faking of reactivity. Then there are the Fabien segments, where you just follow quest marker from place A to place B, with dialogue changing nothing, making you just spam through them. Bloodlines 1 had stats change gameplay as well as dialogue. It also had choices that influenced consequent events, certainly inside the quests themselves. Not so in Bloodlines 2.
>>724341883Don't mind the shill. He always says this cope whenever he can't argue something. Its either "its just like Bloodlines" or "Bloodlines is shit".
>>724341883>Bloodlines 1 was a RPG at least.that's debatable. I don't consider it to be a proper RPG. Maybe Action-RPG but that's as much as I can give it.
>>724341805>secret keeper guy looks like that disgusting molemanYeah, kinda. But compared to the Nosferatu from BL1?
>>724340475In Infinity engine games there would be a bunch of objects on a level where you could click and get some flavor text. Maybe they were going for that (I didn't play Vtmb2).
>>724341883>Then there are the Fabien segments, where you just follow quest marker from place A to place B, with dialogue changing nothing, making you just spam through them.It's funny that Bloodlines 2 is for all intents and purposes a walking sim, where the lack of gameplay is supposed to be compensated by a thought-provoking story... but the story isn't even anything that interesting.I guess they wanted to go for this weird "look how grief and misplaced anger can turn even the best of people into monsters" narrative, but a) Clair Obscur this shit ain't and b) this kind of theme really doesn't fly in Vampire the Masquerade. So those walking sim sections just become a chore in the end.
>>724342109In VTR they shifted the curse from physical deformity to a more flexible curse that permits a lesser degree of obvious deformity combined with other more subtle yet uncanny kinds of revolting things. Like a pungent smell or just an ambiance that mortals instinctively find repulsive/scary. I don't know for sure but I assume V5 also has something like that but to a lesser degree.
guys i think im a simp
As much as I hate to say it, a lot of us saying what we like about it really is cope. This is not what we wanted at all. Yes some things about it are ok, but this isn’t close to what anyone really wanted and this may be the last we seriously see of WoD for a good while again. I hate the zoomer fags using copium as a term but in this case, it may really be, and it’s depressing as hell.
>>724341539>But the worst thing about Nossies in BL2 is their design. They are basically just hunchbacks with a slightly deformed face. BL1 Nossies were legit monstrous and ugly, pieces of skin missing, black/red eyes, jagged teeth and claws. The BL2 Nossies could walk around in public without breaking the masquerade.yeah, if the point was to make them even more repulsive then they've succeeded
>>724341461I liked the upstairs area in your apartment haven, had a glimpse of that isolated urban feel of the first one.
>>724342292>It's funny that Bloodlines 2 is for all intents and purposes a walking simthe devs' most famous other game is literally a walking sim
>>724342518Not true. They are very obviously not human and V5 reflects that.
>>724342647The chinese room has arguably ruined 2 franchises now. They fucked up amnesia initially and now this. I don’t know how anyone works with them. None of their games have ever gotten past high 70s metacritic even. This isn’t some critically acclaimed studio so i don’t know how they keep getting projects
>>724342337>Like a pungent smell or just an ambiance that mortals instinctively find repulsive/scary.Now that would have been something, but, since mortals are never around with a Nosferatu, really hard to implement.
>>724342075And you'd be retarded for that. VTMB1 is more of a RPG than BG1, for example. RPGs are defined by having quantifiable attributes (stats in other words), which influence both combat and non-combat outcomes. VTMB1 has stats affect plenty of combat and non-combat actions, even dialogue at times, and quest options, like exposing Bertram's plot with his ghoul, requiring high social and 3 perception.>>724342292Yeah, I don't get the praise for Bloodlines 2 story. I had to force myself through the game, because the pacing of it is so ass. The Fabien segments break the story flow constantly. Then there is the forced relationship between characters. Baker threatens the Brujah freak, why is Phyre supposed to care? Safia "dies", why is Phyre supposed to care? I went against her at every opportunity and even told her to stop with the weird love shit. Why is Phyre shocked by Safia "dying"? The game is so badly written, the dialogue "options" are just tacked on late in development, but have no effort to them, as the writers wrote only a single path for the game.
>>724342486I don't find it depressing. I expected it to be trash in the first place. Bloodlines is just a cursed title to work with.
>>724342867>>724342824From V5
>>724341461>Tremere racism but unironicallyThis was back when games were based>>724342518They're repulsive but not so repulsive they have an appearance of 0, which is pretty retarded. They just look like cripples instead of literal deformed elves
>>724342518Fuck Redemption golem. That filtered me when I was a kid.
>>724342902It’s just depressing since it’s blatantly obvious you could easily go 1 of 2 routes other ttrpgs did recently for massive success1. Open world 1st person like cyberpunk, 2. Rpg like baldur’s gate 3Vtmb2 is closer to the first if it was extremely gimped
>>724342834Two words>Dirt CheapSumo let them buy themselves out if they worked on this game or something
>>724342486>>724342902It IS depressing.If it was just a worthless pile of garbage i'd laugh and move on.Instead it's something not-bad-but-not-what-it-should-be, which is disappointing.
>>724341461A lot of the areas, and assets in general, are not even designed by TCR. It was by HSL, which aped a lot of things from Bloodlines.
>>724343049>Fuck Redemption golem. That filtered me when I was a kid.too bad. I liked it. I didn't even know jews existed when I played it the first time and I was wondering what this was all about.
>>724342954>V5 ruined the Nossies tooDamn, 5th edition just fucking raped everything huh
>>724343169Sorry LARPer you have to roll dice now
>>724342834That's what Paradox does though. They choose absolute worst Indians to work on their games, then bravely face the consequences. Cf. Cities Skylines 2, cf. Life by You.
>>724343089It’s not even bad enough to really laugh at like some complete disaster of a game. It’s just very soulless and painfully average
>>724343085>dirt cheapThey’re uk based though, wouldn’t eastern european slavshit be cheaper?
>>724342867>since mortals are never around with a Nosferatunot necessarily true in VTR. VTR (The VTM successor from the newer chronicles of darkness line) cuts down on the lore and baggage and only has 5 clans which generally conform to broad archetypes. Ventrue are vampires as the distant tyrant. Daeva as the seducer and corrupter, and so on. Nosferatu is vampires as horrific monsters, and they get a discipline that revolves around inspiring fear. As I said, their clan curse is more about bringing their monstrous nature to the surface. Some can pass as human but they will never be able to truly blend in or properly conceal their nature. Although you can still make a classic VTM style nossie who looks like hell.
>>724343324This. If you look at Project Reagan or That EU clone that never got through you will realize that anything they publish that wasn't in-house developed is garbage. This has been going for a while. If you look at the stuff they released in 2000s and 2010s it's the same story, like that Close Combat clone set in Syria. That was crap too. Picrel. They did have collaboration with Slitherine and Matrix Games publishing the war games shit very early on but I don't think that lasted. Slitherine\Matrix Games shit is terribly overpriced anyway but I'm going on a tangent here. Yes, Paradox has a great track record of using absolute shit dev studios that aren't Paradox themselves.
>>724343454Eastern Slavs are dirty to the westerncel, and probably busy. TCR was>Free>Cheap>At least made games of a similar perspectiveYou are right, a slavic company like owlcat would be better, but TCR lined up well and it seemed Paradox didn't want to drop too much money. Heard on here that Sumo(owner of TCR) also covered the funding
>>724343667Doesn't Paradox own some genuinely good in-house studios? Why don't they just use them?
>>724343762Maybe that’s why paradox said they’d license it out if they ever do bloodlines 3 because they don’t want to foot the bill for it since someone else covered it
>>724300129>Fabien says TRANS RIGHTS ARE KINDRED RIGHTSThat's so ridiculous that I actually believe it
When is Paradox going to say this flopped
>>724343953If it flops an investor call. We should know in a week or two if they put out an announcement saying like 1 million sold or some shit
>>724343832absolutely no idea. Look what happened with Magna Mundi. They outsourced to a bunch of Portuguese guys and I think they wanted to sue Paradox over the title cancellation but I've never heard about them since. They do have a bad reputation when it comes to outsourcing. They make so much money from map painter games it kinda clouds their judgment I think.
>>724342954What's wrong with this? Yeah fuck V5 but this is nothing. Nossies could always disguise themselves with Obfuscate even in the earliest editions.
>>724343762Well, there are the Owlcat Jews, there's that studio that made the recent Space Marine, which I think are Slavs with American management, there should he others. But none are renowned for the queer walking sims.
>>724343848>Paradox buys and ruins IP>can't even commit to making a bloodlines 3>"oh but we'll lease the IP when some Schmuck comes around for free money"Classic Jews
>>724343587Requiem is fucking stupid
>>724344168Paradox is scummy as hell. I just want someone to say fuck it, we’ll make a good one
>>724344168>Jewsif only. It's the Eternal Swede we have to worry aboutl.
>>724344168To be fair in the same interview paradox basically said "what we've learned from all this is we don't know how to produce anything that isn't a strategy game so we'll focus on those and if someone wants to license a vtm rpg we're open to it
>>724344168Classic paradox too lazy to make a good game but will glady pump a shit load of DLC forever
>>724344346That’s probably for the best, though i wish someone like cdprojekt would just buy the rights in general
>>724344168In theory, Games Workshop lets various studios make Warhammer games, and some are good. Maybe not all is lost.
>>724343937because it never actually happens. The context is that you are looking through this weirdo junkie's apartment. You find a bunch of thin blood alchemy equipment and some references to him using regular illicit drugs. From this context the line is delivered like Fabian is exasperated with this guy who seemingly will ingest absolutely fucking anything. It's not an affirmation or a rejection of any tranny stuff it's just a reference to bloodlines 1 and a little joke. I can only assume that /v/ is either parroting this or merely pretending because I can't accept the idea that anyone autistic enough to genuinely not understand this would be capable of communication.
Why not add more playable clans and story instead of forcing us to play as different characters? Add playable Gangrel and Tzimisce. Also Phyre is a stupid fucking name holy shit
>>724344376At least we'd get an anime with vampire lolis.
>>724300939Still looks better than what we got.
>>724344438Only Total War games are fine, and some old ones like the Dawn of War titles. The rest are overpriced heaps of Slitherine shit.
>>724344192I think it's neat. I like how you can have many different flavors with the bloodlines (although a lot of them are fucking dumb) and I like the more diverse social scene with 5 sects instead of 2 + bad guy sect.
>Trannies get beloved IP>Deliver a putrid shit product that not just original fans hate with a passion, but everyone doesThis shit should be illegal at this point. Trannies are so fucking miserable and hateful they have to make sure everyone else gets a taste, too. Crabs in a bucket.
>>724344346I never know why Paradox never bothered to make a WoD Strategy game
>>724344548Space Maine (I played the first one) is good. That turn based Space Hulk is good. There are some others that looked good, but I didn't play.
>>724299897I'd just use Cheat Engine to pump those points. The grind is pointless. If they made it less gay and side quests more interesting I'd at least make an effort but they didn't so I don't.
>>724344438>>724344548The issue here is that Warhammer is a much bigger IP than WoD especially after Paradox decided to crater community good will in the IP. DnD is HUGE and the amount of DnD games that came out between Neverwinter and BG3 and were good is pretty close to 0. At most we're going to get more more CYOA games I think unless some insane gigachad like Larian rolls around
>>724344346Hope so but I can only expect them to charge a retarded premium for it
>>724344931The cyoa are very good at least, for the most part
>>724344693Their dev skills degraded substantially as they aged. Now they just milk the IP cash while playing Football Manager. Fucking Swedes.
>>724344507Anime from who?
>>724345069Yeah but admittedly I'd like a game with an actual budget and a soundtrack among other things
>>724344931How things shift, I'm pretty sure in the 90s VtM and the rest of WoD was bigger than Warhammer at least everywhere, which wasn't the UK.shows how bad IP management can destroy a hardcore, solid fanbas,e even in only a decade
>>724344931I only followed DnD for a bit around 3e and 3.5e times, but I had an impression Wizards were also in the process of sending it down the drain with 4e and 5e.Too bad we didn't get an Eberron game, I think the setting was cool.
>>724345098I'm a retard and replied to the wrong post. I intended to reply to Anon mentioning CDPR.
>>724345210Was it? Warhammer already had a shit load of spinoff series, novels, video games and even music in the 90s. I know WoD had a short lived television show on Fox but that was the extent of their popularity outside of the game itself to my knowledge.
>>724295237I wouldn't give it more than 4/10, it fails to succeed at what it sets out to do and compares less than favorably to its predecessor. As a game it is below mediocre, when you have videogames like Vampyr, that do not have a decade spanning franchise to prop them up and were not released by a billionaire developer.
>>724345409Oh, a trigger anime would be based but I doubt Paradox will drop any money on marketing after this fiasco
Serena will always be my waifu. She is sweet and kind, and she understands me.
>>724345476Warhammer expanded media didn't exist between 91 and 98 due to internal politics at GW, same with video games and Music; none of them were money makers, and they were just ego strokes for Bryan Ansell when he ran the company.VtM, on the other hand,d was the second biggest TTRPG during the 90s and kept up it's books and other supplemental material
>>724345210>>724345476Even if it weren't the case though the IP has been through the wringer anyway, you ask your average guy what DnD is and they'll know but you ask about Vampire and they go like"Bloodlines and that trainwreck sequel"? Instead of the actual WoD IP
>>724328448CYOA novels are not video games, they're fucking ebooks and I hate reading
man it would suck to be a nos
>>724345301Wizards sent it down the drain after 3.5 but they miraculously made a come back because of critical roll primarily, as stupid as it sounds. And yeah I agree, a lot of non-Faerun settings are actually pretty kino like Dark Sun but Wizards decides everything needs to be Faerun because it's popular and they're retarded
>>724345828Spoken like a true zoomer
>>724345828Visual Novels are just CYOA novels on a computer, so I think they count
I don’t think WoD is dead gamewise as different groups will want to pump out games but bloodlines 3 is probably iffy at this point unless some ballsy dev wants to try on their own dime
>>724345828>they're fucking ebooks and I hate readingI'm sorry to hear that. Some of the greatest RPGs ever made, including Troika Games' first title (Arcanum) were basically ebooks then.
>>724328448There's a new Hunter novel coming out?Also>Hunter>After Hunter (Glenkildove)Damn, sucks>>724345828They're actually quite fun though I'd recommend having some background music for atmosphere. They're a lot closer to playing the TTRPG than Bloodlines 2 at any rate
>>724345792Ian Watson wrote some stuff between those years and Space Crusade and Space Hulk got video game adaptations in 1992 and 1993 respectively.
>>724345860Not really. All vampires are inhuman monsters and all of them are ultimately alone. Whatever charming friendship or romance you can conceive of will eventually get destroyed by the vampiric condition. If you're lonely just make yourself a ghoul. It's really no different from how Toreadors do it.
>>724346082>>724328448The guy wrote Lords of Infinity so I am somewhat excited but also I don't want to play as a hobo leaf sorry.
>>724346052NTA and I agree but at least the most e-books of all e-book games like Planescape and Arcanum had gameplay to pad the time between book chapters. And BGM, Voice acting, Graphics. The Kyle guy is an incredible writer but I feel like his games would end up a lot better if he worked with a company where there would be voice work and music at least. Not that I mind the CYOA games
>>724346203What's Lords of Infinity about? and what's the gimmick for the new Hunter novel? Last one was Woofs (after a massive woof game)
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>>724328448What kind of hunter are we gonna be playing?
>>724346082>There's a new Hunter novel coming out?Yep, one is set in Canada, you were homeless, and Vampire police beat you uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3F2OideLpsand another shorter one, I think set in LA.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzPrYl8MIME
Has anyone played the weird wraith vr game?
>>724346132Yeah but vanity is my sin and I don't want to look like a fucking bloated frog
>>724345860I wish I was a Nossie. >look cool as fuck>hang out with your bros in your underground sewer bunker like a 24/7 lan party>doing a cheeky masquerade violation by scaring some whores with your disgusting visage>rats and flies are now your friends>turn invisible and lurk around and spy on people. pure voyeur kino
>>724346109the Warhammer Books stuff is wierd since they stop making them at a certain point and hired out a third party to publish and print them for GW, which was the case with the Ian Watson Inquisitor novels.
>>724346340>400k words>1 million>play as a hobo or film guy>after 2 million word long Woof gameEh, they sound interesting at least but they don't really grip me the same way. Glenkildove's premise at least was interesting but this seems more like an actual Hunter game
>>724346378It's allegedly pretty good after the first hour and a half but I also don't have VR. It's the spooky sad boy Wraith thing everyone's been wanting but without the ghost slavery
>>724303825>>724303769I don't think Paradox is going to greenlight anything, because they just want to get out of RPGs.
>>724347065fixes will end when the DLC they're mandated to release comes out, but yeah I'm pretty sure Paradox will only lease the IP for royalties at this point
>>724346283>What's Lords of Infinity about?Completely unrelated to WOD. It's a trilogy that the guy wrote (sabers --> guns --> lords) where (You) are a minor noble who becomes a dragoons officer. It's fun and the guy understands the appeal/fantasy of this sort of thing. The first two games take place during a big war your country is fighting and the third and biggest one yet takes place in the aftermath. There's 2 more to come, apparently. I like them so I am positively disposed towards the new hunter novel. >what's the gimmick for the new Hunter novelhobo leaf in Vancouver. Not sure who the baddie is.
>>724300129the amount of companies committing suicide with leftist shit is both good, and extremely confusing. do they not know their entire existence was always corporate?
