Gaming in 2025. Thank you, India and USA.
I hate Unreal so much it's women
>>724336831Human can't see more than 20 FPS
>>724336831That's nothing.I raise you Randy's masterwork running sub 80fps on 1440p on 1440p
>haha look guys 4k maxed raytracing without any dlss is so bad xdddd gaming is truly dödernä nao
>>724337310>futureproofing fallacy
>>724336831But I was told everyone who hated RT was just poor???
>>724337310>Pay 3000 euros for the best graphics card, and it still can't run games at 60fps unless you use tricks
>>724336831>4k raytracing
>>724337519what do you think settings are for lol
>>724337728Making the game look worse but run it better. If the best performing GPU can't run games without them, we are fucked
>>724336831why are amd cards such memes
Turn off RT then.
>>724336831just stop playing slop, simple as. also 30fps at 1440p/medium native res is all you need, human eye cant see past 24fps
>>724337797yeah or making the game look better to make it run worse. You choose.
>>724337519Every game ever made uses tricks. What do you think tessellation is?
>7900 XTX beating the 9070 XT againXTX bros stay winning
>>724337942So much better. Oh wait . . .
>>724336831>turn on DLSS or FSR qualityWoooow.>Bu-but tricksDont care. Game looks the exact same and is now at 60fps. Hell, I struggle to see a difference even on balanced.
>>724336831is the 4090 the new 1080ti? It will still be good a decade after it came out.
>>724338268Holy cope
>>724337519>pay 1000 euros for midrange graphics car and it still can't run games at 20fps lol
>>724338106>8 fps on gpus people can afford
>>724338106grim...
feels good to be in the 45fps crew!
I'll wait for the 60xx series...
>>724336831Get a better PC.
It's weird because the game kinda looks like shit.The only recent good-looking UE5 that actually runs well, even with ray tracing enabled, is Arc Raiders.Shame it's in a genre I don't care about.
>>724339006You know why Arc Raiders runs well?It doesn't use Nanite, Lumen or VSMs.
>>724336831And its not even a good game. Fucking Outer Worlds 2 lol, incredible. What a shit time for gaming.
>>724339006This shit looks worse than Fallout 4 for fucks sake
>>724339194It specifically uses Nvidia's fork of some of those technologies, namely Nvidia RTX for lighting.Ironically, that raytracing fork also runs well on AMD GPUs, far better than the default Lumen built into UE5.
>>724336831just get a better PC, poorfag
>>724336831Where is the 4060???
>>724336831Why is it always UE5?
>>724337873How are they? They never claimed to have anything that can do rt like a 4090 or 5090 and don't have anything even approaching half of the price of those....The 9070 is cheaper than 5070 and is owning it here so
>you dont understand I HAVE to turn raytracing on>NO I CANT TURN IT OFF STOP SAYING THATIs it even on by default?
Game is bussin, OP is just seething
Tranny game.
>>724339706there's no fucking difference, retard >>724338106
>>724336831no you see the performance is bad because it has ray tra->>724338106what the fuck
How did this 5.5/10 game get a sequel???
>>724336831dont blame india at all. this is all usa fault. americans and western people. they destroy everything they touch.
>>724337192I feel that
>>724338106>>724336831>turn hardware raytracing>software raytracing kicks inTHE RIDE NEVER STOPS
>>724340081Microsoft had a lot of money to spare at the time this game started development, they bought Activision for $60B
>>724337192clever
>>724337728>max settings on TOTL hardware>sub 60FPS20 years ago, this would have gotten you dragged out into the streets by a lynch mob, strung up from a tree by your own guts, and everyone involved would have been acquitted by a jury of their peers for it would have been seen as the objectively moral option.
Why don't you just play at 1080p like a normal person instead of your meme resolution that no dev even wants to work with?
Try not being a poor turd worlder
>>724340494Who the fuck buys a $2000 GPU to play at fucking 1080p60?Optimize your game, nigger.
>>724339515JUST.A.COINCIDENCE.STOP NOTICING THE PATTERNS
>4KLol retards.
>>724338106I play it fine on 1440p around 70-90 fps. Why are you lying like this?
>>724340593>Who the fuck buys a $2000 GPU to play at fucking 1080p60?Me, but mostly because I'm too lazy to get a new monitor.
>>724336831They're low balling themselves. If you have a gpu stronger than a steam deck it'll run above 30fps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czTJtLflpI&t=1s
>>724336831imagine buying this shit, like really just imagine it
>>724337192Kek
>>724339726This. Niggers ITT didn't even play the game.
>>724340738>imagine buying this shit, like really just imagine itCan't, I lack the brain damage required to even consider carrying out such a retarded act.
>>724340703You need a 4090 to play at 1440p native without fake frames that increase latency and make the picture blurry>inb4 muh dlss /fsr4NOT REAL 1440P you are playing a 960p
In my opinion, games should at minimum be optimized for 1080p 60fps no excuses allowed. It's the least you can do, the bare minimum standard.Yet lots of games nowadays can't even do that with good graphics cards.
>>724340703Dropping below 60 FPS at 1440p on a $2000 GPU in a game that looks like >>724339006 is pretty fucking terrible.Also, holy fuck, the game is CPU-limited on a fucking 9800X3D with RT on, and it STILL drops below 60 FPS.UE5 truly is a bigger engine.
>22 billion transistors>15 fps
>>724338268The 4090 needs fake frames and fake pixels. My RX580 is still all you need.
>>724340948AMD really cannot into RT lol.
>>724340948>28fps for a 4060Seems fine to me, I don't see what the issue is.
>>724337654My nigga, if the top of the line gpu available on the market can't run the game on max settings why the fuck do those settings exist in the first place?
>>7243411029070XT literally outperforms 5070ti here
>>724340917>>724340948>own a 4070 SuperJesus Christ. that's fucking terrible even at 1080p.
>>724339515You're seeing the same issue we had with the torrent of wow clones that came after wow success. >Wow breaks all records>multiple companies start development of a wow killer>wow becomes even bigger>even more companies start their own mmo>first batch of wow clones release and fail after a couple months becoming huge failures>everyone else is already too deep in development to drop the project and has to release their own wow clone even if its undercooked and they know its not going to do wellUE hate didn't really pick up until borderlands, it probably was the tipping point.Any game that started development before borderlands is going to release on UE, developed with a junior team of developers outsourcing everything they can to jeets and release at whopping 20fps with upscaling and fake frames
>>724341353Uh oh for future product? Graphics cards that will be released in the next few years maybe can do it
>>724341397yes but its 10% slower at 4k see >>724336831
>>724341567literally 2 fps difference
RT is a trap in this game as it is shockingly noisy.
>>724341567They're both unplayable at those settings.
>>724341635thats 10%, which it means they cant into RT lol, if your card goes from winning to 10% slower at higher resolutions
>>72434163510% is 10%.
>>724340648PREMIUM GAMESFOR PREMIUM GAMERS
>>724337192What's basado is basado
>>724341697>>724341742That's barely 8%
>>724336831The first one was 7/10. A 6/10 if I was being stingy.The second one is a 3/10 for me. I regret wasting bandwidth pirating it.
Absolutely unplayable.
>>724341828>24.6>25.5sure whatever help you cope with your gatbage card lol
>>724341756is playable on a 4090/5090
>>724342046Keyword here is "playable".
>>724341656RT is a meme in general
>>724339006Meanwhile destiny on a fucking PS4, on a 2013 hardware.
Is Epic ever going to prove that UE5 is not garbage?
>>724342098That's because this is not real RT, UE5 games use lumen which a fake version of RT, true RT is much better and not a meme.
>>724340443Here is your 20 years ago top of the line hardware bro https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/matching-doom3-graphics-card,859-3.html
From just fucking about in the menu upscaling (going from native -> quality) gives a disproportionate increase in performance. My framerate nearly doubles using FSR quality vs native which is mental.
>just buy a better PC so you can play worse looking games at the same framerate kill yourself shill faggots
>>724342348at least wait until you get to the first town, performance gets worse after you finish which the introduction and reache the first open world planet.
>>724342182>The base PlayStation 4's GPU is roughly equivalent to the PC's AMD Radeon HD 7850 or Nvidia GeForce GTX 750 Ti in terms of raw performance.
>>724342374Do you NOT wanna spend 4000$ to play games with 2015 level graphics at 40 fps?What are you, poor??
>>724337192Sometimes this hellhole is fine.
I would not mind very high hardware requirements if those games were impressive in any way.But graphics aren't great, there is no interactivity, no advanced simulation of any kind.Where is all this processing power going to?If I was schizo I would say they are mining shitcoins.
These numbers would be fine if the game had crazy photorealistic graphics but it looks like Fallout 4 from a decade ago if not worse in some places. This shit needs to stop but I don't know what can solve the issue at this point. You could perform a public execution of the entire studio and issue a formal apology for violating human rights (by releasing the game) and the next game would be even worse. At this point the fucking US Constitution needs a new Amendment that prohibits shipping an unoptimized video game. If Founding Fathers were alive today this would 100% be their first priority (I asked them with Ouija board). Because honestly what else can you do short of glassing the entire nation of India from orbit? Someone should sue Unreal Engine 5 for being a crime against nature.
>>724340917>NOT REAL 1440P you are playing a 960pIf it looks better than the 1440p I'd get with vendor-agnostic solutions like TAA, I don't mind.
>>724342347>the game widely considered to be one of the weakest titles in the doom franchise, mostly because John was more concerned with the game looking pretty than actually being fun>a year later got blown out of the water by FEAR on raw visuals alone while running faster and being more fun to actually playCase and point.
>>724338268The 1080ti was priced incredibly competitively, it overdelivered for what it cost. The 4090 was a 2 grand card that was still gimped to fuck with the AI fags. And it has issues like the power connectors melting and low VRAM making it not as futureproof as the 1080Ti was.
>>724339726Let me guess. This is body type B(ussin')?
>>724342410Well I will play on and see what happens.
>>724342959What point? Is Outer Worlds 2 some game I'm supposed to know about? Pretty sure everyone and their mother knows Doom, even the third.
>>724342889I really don't see much difference between Witcher 3, fallout 4 and these new games from 2023+, they demand a lot of power and deliver so little
>>724337192Lmao
Actual hardware accelerated path tracing with decent number of rays and bounces is faster than Lumen. Lumen is so fucking bad that it's slower than a rendering technique many people used to think would be impossible in real time a few years ago. This fucking shit is so bad it's slower than doing PS3-PS4 era lighting via software rendering. A decently optimized lighting system would probably be faster if it had the GPU mining crypto in the background and the fact that this might not be an exaggeration worries me.
>>7243429734090 was $1600 and had plenty of VRAM while being massively faster than the 3090. It is the modern 1080 Ti. The die was simply too big on 4nm to make it cheaper. BoM was probably around $700.
>>724336831>>724338106what the fuck
>>724342881Remember when retards insisted that raytracing was necessary so we could have realistic physics and fully interactive environments since devs won't have to worry about baked lighting?That talking point sure died now that every current game is arguably even less interactive than games from a decade ago were.
>>724343175>Pretty sure everyone and their mother knows Doom, even the third.People only know Doom 3 BECAUSE it was a Doom game, if you'd called it something like "martian hell journey" it probably would have ended up in the same level of obscurity that most slavjank titles that weren't STALKER did (or id software's RAGE).It was a mediocre release that capitalized on brand recognition, focused on visuals over all else, and ran like ass as a consequence with gameplay so bland that the last time I replayed it, I realized I'd forgotten 90% of the levels even existed.
>>7243429734090 was $1500 lmao
>>724343759see >>724343349
All this talk about Lumen and no mention of how fucking ugly it is.
Sometimes I think I should just move to mobage. None of this gay ugly shit is worth my time or money, even pirated.
>>724343349To be honest, it's also something that's not needed in a lot of visual scenes.Sure path tracing a really cool tool to have, but I feel like it's kinda over utilized where static lighting could do just as well.
>>724340648From my point of view the Unreal Engine is evil
>>724340917>NOT REAL 1440PCorrect, it's unreal 1440p
>>724339659>defending amd you bought amd because it was cheap
>>724344684nigga you're the only one who pretends that 9070 is 5090 competitor
>>724344871and you are the only one who pretends that 9070 is cheaper than a 5070
>>724345145I mean it is
>>724345509>vodka buxlol, lmao even
>>724345509
Who even intended to buy this garbage tranny game? this studio makes nothing but garbage are you surprised they can no longer make a game that runs well?Even the steam numbers are low
>>724345509now look at msrp stated by amd and nvidia and realize they are ripping you off lmao
Friends don't let friends buy AMD.
>>724346671You're not my friend, swarthy.
>>724346826I know as i'm not the one buying effectively obsolete gpus lol.
>>724346937Yeah, if you don't see those benchmarks, they're not real.
>UE5
>>7243464592376 zł without 23% VAT is 1931.71 zł, which is $531.26, which is below $550 MSRP.
>>724347262>he pays VATas i said they are ripping you off, just drive to germany and buy it there
>>724347391I'm not funding germs
>>724339515Same reason Adobe is everywhere. Schools standardizing a single platform because they're offered a financial deal by the software company, in an ulterior effort to limit student exposure to alternatives once they're out on the job market, eventually companies bend to what is most commonly known because it contains the largest pool of candidates to contract work.
>>724347471>he admits he can buy a 5070 much cheaperconcession accepted
>>724342182Doesn't that run at an unstable 30fps on PS4
>>724347614in the case of UE5 is mostly comes down to AMD hardware being completely dogshit and what the consoles run, the nvidia RTX branch of the same engine runs laps around the AMD one but only arc raiders and the FINALS use it.
>>724337192fpbp
>>724339006>>724336831>
>>724339006You think this game looks good?
>The NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5090 is the most powerful GeForce GPU ever made, bringing game-changing capabilities to gamers and creators. Tackle the most advanced models and most challenging creative workloads with unprecedented AI horsepower. Game with full ray tracing and the lowest latency. The GeForce RTX 5090 is powered by the NVIDIA Blackwell architecture and equipped with 32 GB of super-fast GDDR7 memory, so you can do it all at 44.6 FPS>Starting at $1999
>>724336831>Thank you, IndiaThey are busy flinging shit at each other to properly optimize their code, anon
>>724337192FPBP
>>724347946>in the case of UE5 is mostly comes down toNo, it is very much about locking a new generation to one ecosystem. Epic is incentivized to keep licenses up, and companies are incentivized to reduce training costs and interoperability issues. The result is a stunted workforce that only works within their comfort zone never branching out because it's the common tool, much like Adobe has a stranglehold in the design industry.
>>724347679How did you come to this conclusion? The same applies to 9070
>>724338106>>724336831>Why won't they buy our AAAAAAAAA games????
>>724348332You said you are not willing to drive to germany, the official MSRP is cheaper for the 5070 and readily avaliable at a lower price and you refused to do so.
>>724337192long live kazakhstan
>>724347391VAT applies to all items lol.
>>724337192
>>724337310>needs to use dlssshit gameshit optimizationjust disable raytracing and see what the real performance is
>>724348481do the math, germany has 19% vat to poland 22% and this is no a promotion, usually on promotions or discount like the 9070 had on the store he posted they drop down to 479 euros https://www.gputracker.eu/en/search/category/1/graphics-cards/facet/2/graphics-chip/nvidia-rtx-5070
>>724348316psst, don't argue with the shill from /g/ that only ever uses gamegpu.
>>724348649There isn't much difference with it on or off , I'm noticing this pattern with these modern AAA slop titles that even disabling raytracing will give you a 2%-10% performance boost at best on a 5090
>>724348828you can take two minutes and find any other site and realize the benchmark was accurate https://pcbench.net/benchmarks/arc-raiders
>>724348846I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it uses lumen for the lighting which just means there is no actual disabling of raytracing unless you mess with ini settings or mess with console commands.Ark Survival Ascended is like this. If you disable lumen the lighting immediately reverts back to UE3. Volumetric fog might also be a bad performance hit that you can't truly disable outside of the console commands.
Gamers sure are entitled.
>>724348812Do the math, it applies to both GPUs. So no matter what the guy is buying, one is going to be more expensive than the other.
>>724349170It's an nvidia optimized title of course it runs better on nvidia. When a game is AMD/nvidia optimized they fix a lot of shit to make it run better on their hardware. Other games using RTX branch of UE5 run about the same on AMD and nvidia.
>>724349779cope
>>724349748already did i said the official price is cheaper for the 5070, put both gpus on the tracker and see which one is cheap concession accepted
>>7243368314k is a meme4k will never stop being a memeStop even considering 4k
>>724349779>Other games using RTX branch of UE5 run about the same on AMD and nvidia.No they do not, just like in battlefield in which nvidia shits on amd or source 2 or basically any other engine, in the only games amd runs even close to nvidia is unreal engine port slops lmao
>>724349957Fake 4k is better than 1440p. If you want max performance just stick to 1080p.
>>724349975cod being the only exception
>>724348846That's because Lumen has SW and HW mode. If you disable RT all it does is use the SW mode so it's running gimped RT effects on the shaders instead. The only good thing about Lumen is that it's deprecated by Mega Lights which is faster. But only in HW mode. So in future games disabling RT might actually lose you performance.
>>724349820I'm on nvidia you fucking retard.If you post benches at least post something trustworthy like TPU not a fake ruskie site.
>>724350182he did see >>724349170
>>724350182Do you pretend AMD doesnt run worse on battlefield 6, Elden Ring or CS2 too?
unreal engine was a mistake
>>724350038That is because CoD is heavily AMD sponsored and have refused to unfuck their nvidia performance for years. They must get serious money to gimp nvidia gpus like they do.
just use DLSS 4x
it's lumen and naniteand if you think upscaling is bad now ...
>>724350402>here's your ray traced shadows bro
>>724350558
>>724338106I'm impressed that they managed to make a game that runs so badly that it makes Monster Hunter and Borderlands 4 look well optimized.
>>724350558>posts obvious shoopsausaga advanced marketing device owner
>>724349975RE Engine runs better on AMD. In MH Wilds 9070 XT is ~ 5080.And I'm not making some AMD good nvidia bad argument you retarded mongoloid. I'm just pointing out it depends on the game. Most engines like nvidia more obviously. But you stupid fucking third worlders stuck on some shitty iGPU see everything as a part of your fangay war between AMD and nvidia. Worse than fucking snoys and tendies.
>>724350660That is what having to support radeon hardware does to a game.
>>724338060a trick to make shit look better that kills fps? how is that a comparison to DLSS crutches that try to make a shit looking game run properly?
>>724350208>heStop larping samefag zigger.
>>724348038is that lumen or TAA or both?
>>724338106>>724336831Than performance is inexcusable. But Techpowerup is also retarded for only doing highest possible preset benchmarks.
but is it bespoke???https://youtu.be/bu89kJjXY34?t=579
>>724350402>runs like complete ass>the thing closest to camera, the gun, looks like complete dogshit missing shadowscannot make this shit up
>>724350691https://youtu.be/bu89kJjXY34?t=1102
>>724350960it gets worse when you open the inventory and it's a soulless grid
>>724351069yea just like the first game, even the character model is still shit
>>724350857>Just test twice as many configuration broNah.You can check the preset scaling as well as upscaling performance for select GPUs.https://www.techpowerup.com/review/the-outer-worlds-2-performance-benchmark/4.html
so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.
>>724351201the character maker is fucking garbage, every hairstyle has a receding hairline and all the skin options are so fake you look like Barbie's Kenthere's no height slider so every character in game is a manlet
Slopreal 5 does it againwhen will people wake up?
>>724351281stale pasta is stale
>>724351281You're actually a thirdie with a 1060
>>724351327lol yeah, again just like the first game.the women npcs in the first game all have the same 2 or 3 faces too. something like that i look past if its a low budget game but the first game has take2 money and now they have microsoft money so its even funnier that it's worse.
>>724351407>t. threat interactive grifter
This thread and replies are a little off topic. If you wanna discuss pc building, pc hardware, post benchmarks etc.Here is the proper thread on /g/ for it.>>107026502>>107026502>>107026502
>>72433719215/10
>>724350402>>724350558>>724350625This looks like the RT here is completely missing any denoiser. Baffling oversight from the devs.
>>724351591Mistake here it is.Discuss pc building, benchmarks, pc hardware etc in thread below.>>>/g/107026502>>>/g/107026502>>>/g/107026502
>>724336831>>724338106Look at my chart instead
>>724342973the 4090 was a 50% increase over the 3090 compared to the 10% the 5090 has over the 4090 and the melting cable meme has been overblown by 20 retards that don't know how to properly plug in cables, GN went over this you retard
>>724353365>nvidia users too retarded to plug in a cable:O
>>724353365>melting cable meme has been overblown by 20 retards that don't know how to properly plug in cables,Except it can melt even when fully and properly connected. 12vhpr is an inherently flawed dangerous design because it can't load balance across the different wires and pins on the connector so if there is any resistance on one pin even from a spec of dust or some shit it will get raped.
what was wrong with just using two 8pin connectors??
>>724336831lol this is worse then first gen rt on my 1080ti and 2080ti back in 2015-2018LOL
behold, MAGIC
>>724337192i only liek fat autistic womeni hate unreal so much its real
>>724353046>No cumInvalid testing.
>>724353814>can only just barely get close to 60fpssad
>>724353814>this ugly pos is what's bringing the current most expensive most powerful consumer GPU to its kneesRDR2 looks miles better and it'll soon be a decade old...
>>7243536645090 would need 4 of them.It would still be better than melting connector we have right now.
>>724337192Oh, you!
>>724344684Actually I most recently bought 5070 ti and got ripped off when undervolted amd beats 5080
>>724353893Open up, we can test that right now
>>724353993>>724354054Now at native res.
>>724354187at what? the 50 series has more OC room both with undervolted and overclocked
>>724353814>4 buildings>2 NPCs>1 player character>>57 FPS
>>724354310With DF's optimised settings lmao.
>>724350704>RE Engine runs better on AMDOne game retard, this is dragon dogma 2 https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-gpu-review-benchmarks-vs-5070-ti-5070-7900-xt-sapphire-pulseIts the third time i catch you making shit up
>>724339006It's insane to me that pic related is still the only UE5 game on the market that doesn't run like wet steamy shit.It's not the best looking game ever, but it looks good and runs at 4k60 on an RTX 3080 with a few settings knocked down, while most UE5 games can't even hit a consistent 60 FPS at 1080p on that GPU.
>>724353814I have nothing against demanding games that bring even the strongest hardware to its knees, but those games should look good. This game looks like it could be from 2014.
>>724354297At cpu bottlenecks as well.Poe2 slams my 5800x3d so hard that it drops to 20 fps in some maps because of Nvidia shit driver overhead
>>724336831>check engine>UE5i hate unreal engine 5 so fucking much it's unreal
>>724354672You should never run into any cpu bottleneck unless you are a poorfag on a 1080p display
>>724354481Squad runs well on UE5, well, it wasn't downgraded from 4
Using ancient chinese secret my fps magically improves!
>poorfag>9070 xt>1080p displayyep its nicotroon
>>724354286I hope this isn't max settings, because the complete lack of proper indirect lighting on the left side of that road is kind of insane considering how this runs.I've seen fucking UE4 mobile games that look about as good as this.
>>724336831The game is shit anyways
>>724341494>UE hate didn't really pick up until borderlands, it probably was the tipping point.>Any game that started development before borderlands is going to release on UEUE hate has been around since Unreal 4, and it got even worse with 5. Nobody is going to stop using Unreal because that's all these game devs know how to fucking use anymore. There arent people making new engines. This is the "unrealification" of game engines, the Unitification of game engines. Unity is better for smaller scale projects. Unreal is the big dick engine and if you're making a big dick game, that's what you're gonna use. But none of these people know what the fuck they're doing.In the past you had people specializing in making new engines and developing them as time went on, and optimizing them, but that's not what the industry is doing anymore. They just want a one size fits all engine where you can use non-coding solutions like blueprints to churn out a game. They don't care about optimizing. Even if optimization only would take 1-2 months, they will rush out the game faster just for more money. So far though I haven't seen a single well "optimized" game from Unreal Engine 5, and no, Expedition 33 isn't a good example because it has a lot of the problems, stutters, and graphical artefacts that come along with the territory, not to mention its performance isn't that great either compared to what you're getting. You're out of your mind if you think people are going to stop using Unreal engine because there's some backlash now. There's BEEN backlash, for years, but this isa ll they know how to use anymore. If you go to school to be a game dev, they teach you how to use unreal or unity. They're not teaching these people how to make new engines, and nobody wants to waste time making a new engine when making a modern game takes so fucking long these days.
>>724337192Arc Raiders proves its not the engine and its just modern devs outsource everything to jeets.
>>724354778And yet the very game this thread is made on has a bottleneck below 60 fps with a 9800x3dAlso poe2 is really badly coded and unfinished anyway but anytime your cpu gets hammered and it's not a 9800x3d then 50 series cards drop to their knees and give deepthroat to amd cards
>>724339006its because every single fucking model has an absurd amount of polygons and textures applied to it>WE NEED 100,000 pixels for each background dressing>WE NEED 8k non-compressed textures>whats that your PC can't run pile of shit?>just upgrade your PC chud
>>724355128Arc Raiders is graphically a 2019 game made on a special gimmick Nvidia version of UE5, no shit that it runs well on 2025 hardware.
>>724338268Yeah, I doubt we'll ever see a generational leap like the 3090 to 4090 ever again.The MSRP of the 4090 was only $100 more than the 3090 at launch, btw. (I managed to get one at that price from Best Buy).I regret nothing, runs cool and quiet, especially compared to a 5090, and the power connector is less compromised as well.
>>724355039Mix of high and very high.
>>724355145factually untrue since the Dawn of Hunt patch
>my gpu isn't even on the list
>>724337192today anon was not a faggot
>>724349957>i am poor/blind
>>724345879Jesus Christ that looks bleak. Like something from Bladerunner 2049.
>>724355516>We went from kino, cinematic boxing to literal cardboard glued togetherWhat the FUCK
>>724355453cope it looks better than this
>>7243555894th time i catch you making shit up btw
>>724355553Christ, that's really fucking bad for near-max settings.
>>724355453>Arc Raiders is graphically a 2019 gameYou say that like it doesn't apply to pretty much every UE5 game.
>>724338106what is unreal doing behind the scenes? I have a 4090 and this shit runs at barely ~50fps https://store.steampowered.com/app/3645890/GONE_Fishing/blah blah jeet coders, whatever, what is the actual low level software/hardware interaction that causes these games to run like shit? is it garbage collecting every frame? is there no culling? what's happening.
Enabling framegen helps a lot.
>>724356626nanite, retards do not create any LOD meshes so you are loading over a gorillion polygons from shit you dont see
>>724353814>GPU memory>92 degreesI lost my first AMD card like this. Memory burnt to shit just a few weeks after warranty expired.
>>724356626just turn the settings down. 1080p medium, no ray tracing, no upscaling, no problem.
>>724350558their both shithow have we regressed this far
>>724351783>>724350625your right theres no denosier on the shadows LOL
>>724356642Just, uh, let the computer pretend what the game might look like guys
>>72435691892c is fine of memory chips. /v/ gets paranoid over temperatures because anons don't know the sort of operating temps parts are rated for.
>>724337192Powerful and thought provoking.
>>724357490Kill yourself. My cpu temps have never gone higher than 55C in 10 years. A CPU running at CCTemp all the time will have a short life.Same for my GPU. If it goes above 83C I just turn down graphics and fps.
>>724356642yeah thats what this industry really needswe need more games framegen so AI will hallucinate extra frames so devs can feel like they're not failures
>>724355108>UE hate has been around since Unreal 4, and it got even worse with 5.oldfag here people have hated it since 2 at least devs, normies started to hate the brown bloom in ue3ue4 was pretty good it at least ran and looked pretty good retards ruined it after 2018 with dlss/fsr shit
>>724357647Please never speak of things you know nothing about ever again k thnx.
>>724357687its gamers who want 40k 60fps and realistic graphics. turns out that isnt physically possible.
>>724357851Nah, framegenning to 60 FPS from a lower framerate feels like fucking shit, only a retard would want that.And current games don't even look any better than games from 2019.
>>724357851I 'member when entitled gamers wanted 35fps at 320x200.
Unreal certainly isn't good, but CDPR seems to be fixing it up. Dunno if you seen their slides from the Witcher 4 tech demo, but it seems good. Obviously it's gonna take years to trickle down, yeah.The bigger issue for you is the next consoles dropping and raytracing becoming fully universal. What will you Americans and other third worlders with GTX 1660s and GTX 1080Tis do then?
>>724358358>Dunno if you seen their slides from the Witcher 4 tech demo, but it seems good.I don't trust those niggers with anything graphics related until the game is actually out
>>724358358>Trusting CDPRI hope you are jesting.
>>724358451>>724358516I mean the technical improvements to asset streaming etc.The game itself will likely be downgraded.
>>724358556was running on a ps5 I swear!
>>724358358as always wait until the game actually comes out. everything about witcher 4 so far is bullshots just like witcher 3 and cyberpunk. need to remind you that witcher 3 got downgraded heavily because they fell for the dx11 meme.
>>724358590Enough third-party people said that it was, yeah.It was appearently 900p base resolution, which makes it believable.
>>724358658luv me witcher 3
>>724358658>dx11 memeWas it gonna be DX9 originally?
>retards think it isnt on purposelol, lmaolook how current GPUs run UE4/earlier games. look at a fucking 970 running crysis 3 and compare its architecture/compute power versus modern GPUs. what do you guys think would happen to the hardware industry if games kept being linearly demanding? they cant slow compute power down because TSMC only ever produces the most modern thing as to not fuck with their mobile high end production. the industry couldnt stay on 20nm or whatever for as long as it wanted and hardware was already raping games and no one would ever, ever upgradeenter high refresh rate monitors, unbelievably dogshit engines, etc. and it's not going to get better, no matter how much you cry, because this isnt some sort of 'oversight' or something that can be 'fixed' done by incompetent devs. this is done by very, very competent people that intentionally make games run like shit. its a closed loop system, your hardware will only ever run games flawlessly until the next gen drops and then you're going to run into issues, because lumen 2 or dlss 7 dropped and for some reason you're software locked out of these software featureswhat do you think happened with people that had old gen flagships that cant run dlss today?
>>724356626It was some time since I read the analysis some guy did with Nsight but basically the GPU spends a long time in low occupancy and basically does nothing of value and the games struggle to keep it feed. The engine is really inefficient at having the GPU "do nothing" and just burns through cycles for no reason and has to wait until the next cycle to issue the next few ops. It's bad at packing or efficiently issuing ops. Imagine a teacher who can only say a single syllable per second, he'd be really bad at "packing" words together.Unreal also does a lot of unnecessary shit running on compute which is why you don't see it scaling massively with more ROPs but it really likes more compute. Meme factor aside, Threat Interactive analyses are decent. Developers using Unreal implement a ton of useless effects that do nothing, crank shit like shadow resolution into oblivion for no reason, really bad LODs, use dynamic effects for static objects, spam light sources etc. In addition to that Unreal has really bad defaults unsuited for real time graphics.And remember that the CPU is issuing the draw calls. The more of that shit you have the more work the CPU will have to do in addition to all the stuff it's doing. If you also do RT then you're putting even more stress on it because there are certain things the CPU needs to compute for the CPU for certain RT effects. It's a combination of a mediocre engine and incompetent developers who have no incentive to optimize the games. There are decent Unreal games that tame the engine but they're rare.
>>724358556I'll believe it when i see it, sure CDPR could deliver good performance but how much of that is proper occlusion culling and proper nanite and high poly assets management which every other dev company just refuse to follow so we get these abomination of games in which the most random scene with nothing happen is taking several ms to render while nothing is happening on screen.
>>724358556We will see in practice but I doubt it will run well on current gen.By the time that game comes out new consoles will be on our doorsteps. No one cares about low end PC because those people don't have money to buy those games anyway.CPU performance with UE5 is still better than with UE4, especially when RT is involved. CDPR has huge team they can afford to fix some of it for their game but I doubt this will help others even if they merge those fixes into main branch of UE5.GPU performance is still clearly the bigger issue.Unless they will fix Nanite and Lumen there is no hope.
Lumen and nanite were going to revolutionise graphical fidelity. How's that going ?
>>724358825>Had to disable fluffy hair on my GTX 970 to get back to 60I felt scammed.
>>724359174As you should.
>>724359274I experienced 3.5GB meme only in one game.Tomb Raider 2013 turned into .gif related with highest textures.
>>724337192greetings!
>>724358897TSMC produces mobile first because it's using a different library finalized earlier. Nodes have multiple libraries and the high power one comes later. The reason for that is that LP library is closer to risk production because the dies are much smaller and defects aren't as big of a problem. The grand conspiracy behind nvidia et al asking devs to gimp games makes no sense because when nvidia or AMD are involved the games usually run better after they fix some of the sloppy code game devs usually produce.Devs are just useless lazy fucks who can't do anything right. The only way to solve it is to boycott games that run like shit and not buy them. Every sane programmer stays away from game dev because the work conditions are abysmal and the pay isn't great either not to mention the large concentration of DEI mystery meat in dev teams. You might see companies like Apple promoting DEI but the reality is that the higher ups are all white nerds while their "diverse" personnel are performing menial tasks like staffing their stores. Game studios are the opposite, for some reason. There was some woke journalist who wanted to break the Apple fake diversity story but they silenced that retard lol.
>>724359440Nvidia later made it so games can't even access the last slow as shit 512MB of memory because it was faster to just keep flushing the 3.5GB buffer.
>>724339006why does every single ue5 game look so fucking awful
>>724357697>people have hated it since 2 at least devs, What? You realize that UE3 was the most popular one, right?>>724357647>My cpu temps have never gone higher than 55C in 10 years. Cool story bro.
>>724337192what a lad.
>>7243586583 got downgraded because they fell for the open world meme. If it was hub based like 1/2 they could've pushed the graphixx more like the pre release footage.
>>7243603952 ran like shit as well - ubersampling was a scam.
>>724337797The top tier settings are always for future cards zoomer
>>724337192What the fuck is this post, it doesn't even make grammatical sense.Goddamn board of shitskins
>>724360609>future card for this >>724354286
>>724360609Not really, especially when the games look subpar even with the top tier settings.
>>724341504they don't offer anything in its place that looks half decent, turning the options off that rape performance turn the game into something that looks worse than ps3/360 games, artistically
>no hardware unboxed videowhy fake screenshots anon?
>>7243400815 million copies sold (no game pass cope)
>>724338235I wish I was this blind and retarded.
>>724342182Destiny PS4 framerate was miserable though
>>724360508Drkie, it was clearly a future-proofing feature. They could have included the original TW3 lighting like that too.
>>724360773>trusting AMDunboxedYeah like they are going to give a fair review.
>>724350985why is this allowed? ugliest shadows ever in the history of gaming, in 2025
>>724336831not my problem
>>724345509>Złoty (PLN)Based>morele.netTURBO BASED
>>724361174>inspect element
>>724337192greetings from Azerbaijan
>>724355376>>just upgrade your PC chud>oh what's that? you already have an r9 9950x3d + 5090? just upgrade it to a 6090, duh!
>>724337192This board is so dogshit
>>724361174>Gaming RedditioCouldn't get a Suprim, Vanguard, Astral?Better than Ventus, I give you that.
>>724355108>UE hate has been around since Unreal 4Since 3**
>>724354868What fallout 4 enb preset is this
>>724360630you might have gotten (You)s if you posted this bait earlier
>>724358889>>724360395it used early version of dx11 feature set aka older shader model.the demos were what they were. demos. of a better shader model. the one you got was downgraded.
>>724360806Just close your eyes.
