It's done.https://www.newworld.com/en-us/news/articles/update-on-new-world?tag=updates
the new patch is pretty good, sad to see it go like this. the mmo genre in general is fucking trash and new world at least had decent combat and didnt look dated as shit like most other popular mmos at the moment
>>724422709>it's no longer possible to update OUR FUCKING MMO LIVE SERVICE, CHUDSCuck genre.
hello stop killing games do something you useless fucks
>>724422709Amazon is planning to fire 30k people, so this was inevitable.
bye have a beautiful time
>>724422954MMO's can't do anything but die. There isn't a single MMO in existence that doesn't have a time limit attached, it's the one genre where every single game is going to eventually have its plug pulled.
>>724423008WoW is going to live forever.
>>724422709Never heard of it.
>>724422709>Another fotm mmo bites the dust>Mabinogi is still alive, somehow
>>724423008Nexon has multiple ongoing MMOs that have lasted decades.
im surprised it lasted this long the concept was flawed from the beginning
>>724422709Trhttps://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/724422709#p724422845illion dollar company btw.
People don't seem to be taking the news well. As that one anon said though, Amazon is laying off 30,000 people, so people can't say this wasn't a likely possibility.
>>724423183HOW is it still alive and still getting so much attention? Every other korean mmo gets shut down the second they begin to decline a little bit. Not that im complaining, game is probably at least 1/5 of my life
>>724423220>>724423110Tick tock. Eventually the servers will die.
>>724423226Concept was good but the execution was flawed. The game went through catastrophic events like players being able to hack it through the chat function kek. It squandered a otherwise impressive launch
>>724423316korea used to make the best mmos before they started copying WoWs formula. A lot of old korean mmos are still around
as much as I hate WoW, I truly truly fucking despise it. I would pick that over any new mmo that's getting released these days.
>>724423316Like WoW it was one of the OGs and people who played it either stuck with it or return to it. The playerbase is still very large in Korea and there's no other games like it.
>>724423406>Concept was good but the execution was flawedThis is where you are wrong.The concept was bad and this concept will never be executed right because its fundamentally a bad idea.There are games that are fun to think about but not fun to play, and this concept is essentially one of those. Its a mental trap. This concept will never succeed.
why did they fuck it all up at the last minute?
Kind of a shame, there were aspects of it I liked like the life skilling, the music skill and the world actually being seamless. Still they fucking fumbled hard and there's no excusing the shit going on during launch.
>>724422709My tinfoil hat is telling me Amazon used AI in development way before normies could. You can't "fix" a soulless homonculous
>>724423529you mean the concept of an mmo?
>>724423529>never succeedIt did in spite of all the issues. There are 40k concurrent players on steam alone. The game is being put into maintenance mode because of Amazon's sweeping layoffs
Monsters and Memories is truly the last hope for this genre.
>>724423789>subscription-basedi can't see this lasting long
>>724422709Did they set it up to be played offline? Or is it dead dead?
>>724423954read the post retard
>>724422709good
they have milked their last cow
>>724424012Spoonfeed me like a good boy
>>724423934Gamer dads and positive word of mouth will make it thrive. But for real I had a solid time just doing old school grindan and exploring. Seeing people actually chat in game was nice too.
i still dont get why is it so hard to develop mmos. it's just like an rpg but with people. surely all the techniques/code/architecture to host hundreds or thousands of people in an area has already been figured out
>>724423954They're not "sun-setting" the game and they said that the game will be playable through 2026, but they aren't making any new content for it. They also made both expansions free as well, which sucks for people who spent money on it, I guess? They also said they will give a six-month notice before servers go down. It seems like it'll be dead before 2027, but they seem to be planning to keep the game going for at least another year. It just isn't going to get any more updates/content, I guess? >>724424031Kek, I thought this was KFFC, but then I realized she isn't nearly that skinny or attractive.
>>724424162it's being kept in maintenance mode, the game will stay up for at least all of 2026 and they promise a 6 month notice before potential shut down.
>release the only good patch in 5 years>pick the player's interest again>close it the fuck downlel
>>724424190>i still dont get why is it so hard to develop mmos.It's not. People are getting the same MMO experience with any game that's not traditionally an RPG. The entire appeal of the genre is making friends, socializing, and playing with each other. But now? Every game has this.
>>724424231>>724424252Damn.. They should seriously make a P2P singleplayer friendly mode. That really sucks.
Didn't they have an update recently?Anyway I'm not surprised, they alienated the userbase from alpha and beta into just another PvE carebear mmo.
>>724422709What was this thing again?
>>724423008Incorrect, most MMORPGs (pre 2004 games) are still running in some capacity and actually receive regular updates. The only games that have truly died or been closed down are the MMOs, post 2004 WoW-clones that never had a shot to begin with.It's actually on the uncommon side of things for a MMO to die.
Not only was New World caught in the crossfire, the whole situation seems to reek of the entirety of Amazon Game Studios being terminated. This will also in effect sever all support for Gookslop MMOs or even any Chink prospects for using AGS to publish shit in the west.
>>724424190Because the architecture/code/whatever isn't hard, just expensive. The hard part is figuring out a way to get people to keep spending money to play your game instead of jumping to a different game.
im gonna miss this game, bros...
>>724424493>reek ofThe linkedin page for AGS has been deleted entirely, it's already dead.
>>724423757the concept new world had of guild controlled market resource teriroties and such.It was obvious even in beta that it was going to fail
>AGS died before they could fuck up LotR with their MMOAt least we got that silver lining.
I thought it was shit on release. And I still think it's shit now. GG make better games next time.
>>724424814A shame. Maybe they could have created something big.
>>724424774Full on PVP makes sense. It literally creates jobs out of thin air.Bandit, escorts, bounty hunters, guild alliances, fuckton of drama.Even someone that has no interest in PVP then suddendly can feel like the part of a bigger thing. Want to grind shit for the guild? Bring friends or take risks.That was the only appeal of the game except for the action combat and then even they fucked that up later.
>>724424552welcome o the club anon
>>724422709>It's no longer sustainable for the richest company in the world that owns half the servers on the planet to support the game
>>724425008The only game that does the full pvp shit well is Albion Online, every other MMO just fucks it up
>>724424190It's mostly a commitment and skill issue. The genre was pretty healthy in the early days because the games were made by people who understood who would be playing them and why they wanted to play them. These developers also realized that the single most important aspect of a MMO is the community and the entire game should be designed to make you play with other people.Once WoW hit the market and showed that you could target non-MMO playing consumers for massive gains devs threw all caution to the wind and their brains at the fucking ceiling fan. Their games were terrible, poorly thought out, shoddily constructed, nothing more than bandwagon chasing products, and all of them crashed and burned. These days companies see quick and easy money elsewhere so there's no point trying to put together a MMO, a game that can and should last at least two decades.
>>724425052pump and dump, they have another mmo coming out
>>724425148That's because Albion wisely gave different levels of pvp instead of just making the whole world a massive rape zone.
>>724423934It only needs 10k subs for 1 month to make back all the money they spent on it lol
>>724423756I've seen so many luddite retards call something AI and be totally fucking wrong that now some retard saying that just outs themselves as a dumb fuck
>>724425243Anon they completely killed AGS. That lotr mmo is fucking dead, which is a very good thing.
>>724425151OSRS and WoW will probably still be alive 20 years from now, but they're basically the only two MMOs I can firmly say that for. FFXIV will almost surely be replaced by a new FF mmo within the next 5-10 years.
>>724422709Holy shit, almost bought it for $60 because I heard the new patch was really good. Dodged a bullet
holy fuck, some one at amazon is mad. they removed all pictures and videos of the game and simply place this singular image up.
>>724425243The new LotR MMO is confirmed dead as well. YOU GET NOTHING.
>>724425360it has enough content to entertain you for at least 300 hours so you can still buy it. they say it wont be shut down for another year
>>724425397You know what? I respect it.
>>724423375Most boomer mmos have private servers. They will outlive the companies that created them.
>>724425397Wouldn't you do the same if your entire team got laid off and you still had access to the steam page?
>>724425008did i mention pvp?generally speaking a game based around 'guild drama' is going to be niche, and this game has a retarded economic system out the gate. Its main problem was its entire resource and market system.but really the only thing it did 'well' was fishing, someone else should really copy that
>>724425397This is why they're being replaced with AI, AI would never act this irrationally.
>>724423756You have your hat on too tight, take it off when you sleep too.It's a simple situation, Amazon took what was meant to be a heavily PVP oriented MMO and sterilized it visually and mechanically. What was left was as others described it, a carebear game with messy functions and mechanics that were outdone by decade old Korean MMOs.
>>724425354A new FF MMO will be made but there's no danger of Square killing off XIV. They might kill off mobile games every other week but there's no chance they're going to completely kill how to play a mainline FF, that's why XI is still maintained
>>724425447Only a retard invests time into an MMO that is in maintenance mode with a confirmed end date.
>>724422709
>>724425628Let's be honest, only a retard invests time into an MMO at all
>>724422709>launch s10>1 raid and extraction pve mode and dogshit pvp>they expect this to save the gameThe AI written storyline was supreme jank as well. Dawntrail which is objective dogshit was miles better and that is saying a lot. I enjoyed my time leveling exploring around but man what a rugpull on the actual genuine fans. They just launched an expansion (that was kind of shit) but kill it right after launching? Throne and Liberty getting shut down too I think
>>724425397Makes sense to me? It's guaranteed the person who clicks on it will see that image immediately and can make their decision carefully
>>724425484>irrationallythe people who made the game are all fired, any future sales of the game will purely be money into the pockets of the dickheads who killed the game. The person who did this just wants that info front and center so nobody gets scammed by that dogshit company anymore.
>>724425482To me the ressource system always made sense in a semi-ffa environement because then you can subcontract ressource gathering from outsiders so it creates this entire system of forced socialization between players if they want to achieve something. Only thing I never liked was the area control system where you can only fight wars against a guild in instanced BGs.If your world is big enough and there's no easy fast travel then you can have a lot more complexity without many game systems because a big 200 man guild cannot possibly control everything. I was legit hyped up by the game thinking "oh fug it's gonna be EVE in a 3rd person soulslike~ish combat in a fantasy world"
>>724422709I actually started to enjoy it. Came back from launch two weeks ago. What a fucking retarded shit show
>>724422709BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHJAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WE FUCKIUNG WON AGAIN
>>724423008>EventuallyTechnically true, I guess. However my first MMO was UO, and it is still up to this day. I think it turns 30 next year. WoW just celebrated its 20th anniversary last year.>>724423494>Like WoW it was one of the OGsWoW didn't even release in the same decade as the "OGs."
>>724422709>we've reached a point where it is no longer sustainable to continue supporting the game with new content updates.Lord of the Rings Online is run off of a single laptop and has an annual budget of 500 dollars and they're still making expansions you greedy kikes
>>724425747yes, which only strengthens my point. amazon the corp would never do this since the game is still on sale. the mad employee with a now axe to grind is making sure potential sales are lost.
>>724426063it's no longer sustainable because they fired the entire dev team
>>724425745I think Lost Ark will probably get the axe soon as well. I really don't understand why people keep falling for the 'new MMO' meme. The ONLY 3 mmos worth playing at this time are Old School Runescape, WoW, and XIV. THAT IS IT. THAT'S THE LIST.
>Everquest 1 and 2, Ultima, Maplestory, Ragnarok, GW (including this just to piss someone off), FFXI and SWG are still alive and kicking in some capacity>every shitty WoW clone after 2007 is deadFunny that.
>>724422709>the kings of hosting servers, cannot host their own MMORPG.
>>724426153the guy in charge of games in amazon said they want to pull away from hardcore games and make casual ai slop, lost ark and throne are probably next
>>724425354If they shut anything down it would be out of stupidity rather than a new FF MMO being made. XI is still running and is what, 23? years old at this point, they tried to sunset it once in favor of XIV and maybe, hopefully, learned from that self inflicted disaster.XIV probably has another 3 expansions before they call it quits, right here and now I don't see them making a new MMO within the FF series, both because of their own retardation and the market itself, but who knows maybe 6-7 years down the road things might be different.
>>724423265>charge $40 for an mmo >it does poorly >make it f2p >it pops off >kills it when it hits momentum as always stockholders are the dumbest fucking people on the planet
>>724425973I just built a little shed outside of Minoc and I'm levelling up a Sampire.
>>724426190I'd put an asterisk next to SWG as it is officially dead, but not because it was a bad game, moreso because it was murdered.
>>724426153I'd add Black Desert Online to the list if you are ok with korean MMOs
>>724422709>4 abilitiesthis game should have died on day 1
>Have infinite money>Can't even keep up an MMOLol
>>724426386That's why I said in some capacity at the end but yeah, it's officially dead
>>724426254I mean it makes sense to be honest. You can either make a game for $500m that appeals to 50k people on PC, or a game for $10m that appeals to 5 million casual phone gamers with a candy crush AI remix. I don't even blame AGS, I blame consumers for consooooooming this kind of garbage.
>>72442632340k players in a game without a monthly fee isn't that great. Honestly never trust a MMO without a monthly fee.
>>724426438technically it's 7, practically it's more like 9. but it's action combat so is understandable. never seen a full on action combat mmo with dozens of skills
>>724426153Maplestory Classic is the only MMO I want and Nexon is doing everything right by rebalancing the old classes. I unironically want to play Maplestory Classic World more than just about any game right now.
>>724426392Are they still selling RNG boxes full of crons every week? Then paying streamers and CCs to post their results?I'm finally free after reaching 800GS and realizing the true form of this beast, and where it was heading.
>>724426392BDO and RS3 are in a tier below the 3 I listed, but yeah they're generally ok. Just smaller mmos.
>>724426552Did we get a release date yet
>>724426627Jan is the closed beta and the CEO said they could "release it right now if they wanted". I expect mid 2026 based off the beta for classic wow
>>724426710If January is the CB I feel like they could do an April launch.
>>724426323it wasn't free to play, it still cost 60$
>>724425397This unironically makes me consider picking it up, I hate unfinished games.
>>724425148Albion is literally Eve's system
>>724425397based rouge employee kneecapping amazon sales
>>724426741I hope so, its the only game on my radar in the MMO world. I loved oldschool maplestory and it getting new content and rebalanced sounds awesome. They are keeping the old exp grind too from the first patches.
>>724425406That's fine, it was always going to be inferior to LOTRO which still gets expansions
THAT'S IT I'M DEVELOPING MY OWN MMO. NO MORE GETTING BURNED BY THESE FUCKING TRILLION DOLLAR PUBLISHERS
>>724422709Probably shouldn't have let the jeets delete player character data
>>724422954Apparently the game still has 14+ months left at least and SKG was never meant to stop devs from putting their live service games into maintenance mode.
what reason is there to play an mmorpg in 2025i dont get it
>here's your new Amazon Games Studios game brohonestly though in about a year when the AI bubble pops I hope you all are employed or have a well rounded safety fund, because shit is going to get really bad. All these companies are going to realize they lost billions (maybe trillions total) of dollars on a false hope, not only in the gaming industry but across the world.
I mean, I'm happy, they completely fucking obliterated the original idea of the game to make it more casual-friendly, then fucked it over by spending YEARS developing a console version that failed outright.Shouldn't have tried to chase after casual faggots that play seasonally, and maybe you'd have the players to support the game.Although this is just amazon shedding their jeet workforce and needing to save money elsewhere so gaming is an easy choice
>>724426885I don't know why more pvp MMOs don't just steal that system. High-sec, low-sec and Null-sec is a good system.
>>724426524>never seen a full on action combat mmo with dozens of skillsBecause they don't make them like they used tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px7gHS8NLx4
>>724427107Because pvp scares the majority of modern mmo players
>Amazon's New World amazon's wha--oh right the game that destroyed GPUs with 10,000+ FPS black screens. Technically meaning shutting down is the best news I've ever heard about this game, being only the second time I've heard anything about it at all.
>>724427014there are a couple of good ones, osrs and wow despite all their flaws are still good for what they are and players are quite invested in them. Its these smaller mmos that are generally a waste of money and time.
All this shows me is that the crowd that keeps saying they want a AAA pvp full loot MMO are not even enough to fill the servers, I remember how it started as a full pvp only MMO but after the beta they quickly scrambled to give a PVE option kek
>>724427107Because you can organize and completely shut portions of the game down, so that people can NEVER experience them. This happens on a smaller scale with wipe-centric games like rust, and it happens to a pretty grand scale on albion, to the point they have to keep adding instanced content to let people get t8 mats, because clans just OWN the fucking maps.
>>724427207that was confirmed to be evga's fault
>>724427227Full loot is gay and those MMOs always die, you need safeguards which is why they should just copy EVE's system and have different zone tiers.
this is a marketing trick, you utter fucking retards.
>>724427227It wasn't even the beta, it was after it got bought by amazon amazon immediately scrapped any meaningful PVP elements. It never had any of those elements from when the game had public testing, or years before.
>>724427278The game is meant to be played in a clan, not solo. More mmos should encourage that but not necessarily in the same way
>>724427334no, amazon just laid off around 30k staff, largely focused on "amazon gaming" because luna has sucked so much fucking money.This is real. Same shit as they did with crucible.
>>724427334>basically put a massive red warning saying DO NOT BUY on the steam page>marketing trick
I'm surprised it lasted this long.
>>724427334Amazon is pulling out of games
>>724427582I really don't know why they tried to enter the market to begin with. They clearly didn't realize how cutthroat it is.
>>724427614they thought "We're bigger than steam, we can beat them".No, really. That was the thought process.
>>724427614They probably just thought it'd be easy, they didn't realize it takes a lot of effort to carve a niche in gaming
>>724427582>>724427458>>724427442>claim they are taking down the servers>makes the headlines>people come back>they can keep it going or sell it to another company at a higher priceoldest trick in the talmud. god you guys are so clueless
>>724427714Let me guess you have like 5k hours in New World. It's okay lil' bro, as long as you had fun with it.
>>724427714name one instance of this ever happening
>>724422709They just released a major expansion though? Why bother making that if they where going to shut it down just 2 weeks later?
>>724426153But the shills told me Ashes of Creation will surely be the next big thing and bring back mmos from the grave??
>>724427837Amazon was likely already planning to shut down AGS months before the expansion was planned to launch.
>>724427107Modern gamers don't like PVP.
>>724427892People who believed in Ashes of Creation are the same kind of people who believed in Star Citizen.
>>724427821ArcheAge
>>724427693also especially in the mmo market, people are extremely, extremely tribalistic. Its a big reason why osrs and wow are the kings of the genre. People played that shit for literal decades of their life and they're not going to switch to something else.>>724427892AoC is never coming out, this is pretty well known. Would not be surprised to see someone take them to court soon.
>>724426153lost ark still hits top 5 sales on steam when new expansions come out. They're not paying for active development just translation and localization shit (like making all the plot relevant characters negros).New world was entirely inhouse developed. If Lost Ark gets the boot from amazon someone else will buy it from them.
How is it that only Tera and BDO ever figure out how to unshittify mmo combat? And of course TERA died and BDO is heavily entrenched with the shittiness of typical Korean MMOs.I genuinely think that MMOs have some of the greatest potential of any vidya genre, if there was a dev willing to put in the effort. I guess the problem is monetising it in a way that is sustainable
>>724427714>people come back>in a full price MMORPGIt's not F2P lil unc, and the ones that bought it at release dropped the game for a reason. They're not coming back.
>>724422709>2k hours in this shitAtleast I never got too invested in end game and markets. I just PvPed alot.
>>724422709>people paid 40 world currency for this at launchThis will not end well.
>>724428131There's plenty of korean MMOs with good combat, that's not the problem. The problem is all the bullshit around the combat.
>>724428131>How is it that only Tera and BDO ever figure out how to unshittify mmo combat?lol
>>724428131Not even, MMOs require notoriously low cash for upkeep, the issue is development and up front costs. You get those sorted and you can run an MMO for 5 figures to serve ~10k players.I help run kakele online, server costs are under $1000 a month and they pull in well in excess of 10,000 usd a month in profit (that is, after costs)
>>724428131bdo combat is awful
>>724425469If you live in an honest, first-world country, yes. You'd be surprised how many gachaslop games from CHYNA will announce EOS but still encourage you to spend money on gems or whatever until the very last second.
>>724428131every mmo is published by some gigacorp slopfucker, and they're greedy and MUST satisfy the ((((shareholders)))), so they can't just live off of a guaranteed income.Look at maplestory, shit's been going 22 fucking years. It's possible.
I wish Wildstar came back out of nowhere. I know it has problems but I would play that game again despite that. Would kill a month or so of time.
I'm so happy I was able to contribute to the closure of this game.>over 13k upvoted negative review with 100s of replies saying they weren't buying>exposed several war wintrading rings causing entire paypig companies to quit>anti-shilled the game on every discussion I could find pointing out the terribly balanced combat and bot farmseat shit NW community. I hope you drop thousands in the LOTR mmo and it flops as well.
remember when wowfags were propping this shit up? cringe as fuck
>>724428131BDO combat is a bit overrated. The player abilities are very cool, but its hard to build difficult combat encounters with that style of combat system.
>>724427614Amazon strategy was literally dumping millions of dollars into something until it workedClearly it didn't, shame they're closing down the studios, wanted to see them dumping more money into the sink
Amazon is cutting the fat. The gaming division just didn't work.
>>724428457AGS is gone, they all got fired. The LOTR mmo is cancelled
>>724422709>lotro is still getting content updates and new expansions into nogland>new world fucking diesStrenge
>>724423008a korean game ive played 15+ years ago is still alive with like 300 players
>>724423406Being able to become invincible by moving the game window around will never cease to be hilarious to me as a bug
>>724428457You won bro. But it's a weird feeling. They are dead dead. Whats the next target though? Blizzard? Those people will eat slop and ask for seconds so you wont accomplish much.
>ags is killvery nice bezosnow do twitch next
>>724428457Thank you for your service.
>>724428693twitch is due a "restructuring" pretty soon, I expect clancy gets the boot and they install some 20-something MBA to replace him, they over-monetize everything and quadruple ad quantities and then it dies.But that's just a dream.
>>724428693Twitch still loses money, but there's value as a propaganda platform.
>>724428210I'll admit I haven't really touched many mmos since Tera died. I tried GW2 but it's the same outdated tab target garbage. Same with ff14Saw some recent KMMO called raven 2 which you literally don't play. You can auto run through quests and combat. It is LITERALLY a glorified gambling machine for skins and pets
>>724428879not even, the value comes from brands. It loses money ONLY when accounting for naturalized value, that is, ads, and other flows of income native to the site. The money they make throug htheir "bounty board" isn't coutned towards twitch revenue as it's brand sponsorships, and that number eclipses 7 figures every WEEK. They make money on it. They're just doing the big biz thing of manipulating what's reported as income and what is a 'loss'.
>>724429086There's AION 2 releasing
>>724429086raven 2 is a mobile game, so no shit it's automated brother. Not that there are good games but that is like the least surprising thing ever, we've had those since before covid. Fuck, since before 2015.
your reminder that swtor, eso, and guild wars 2 are all still alive (somehow)
I think this game could have survived if they had made it like Runescape Dragonwilds. It had all the pieces there and there's probably a market for a more modern Runescape.I remember playing the New World alpha and it was a completely different game than what they actually launched with. Arguably not even the same genre.
>>724429394GW1 is still alive.
>>724429441never really played runescape. what do you mean by making it more like it
>>724429394>swtorbeen maintenance since 2022, whenever that last expack came out. Due to die soon, EA has culled more and more of the staff on it. Maybe it gets bought out by the team but unlikely, player counts have dwindled a lot.>ESOmakes money, releases paid expacks that still sell, has huge amounts of subscribers.>GW2was due to die but then people shilled it so hard it came back, why shit on a profit stream?MMOs cost NOTHING to host, it's all in development that they cost such insane amounts. If you're in maintenance or light update mode, you can get away with a 5 man staff. I ran a SWGEMU server that served 2500 people daily, not counting multiboxers, it cost me NOTHING for the server, donations paid me almost $50k a year with 0 new content lmaoimagine someone monetizing with a cash shop.
>>724429394>SWTORIt's alright>ESOGameplay is complete dogshit>GW2It's alright.
>>724429558dragonwilds is just modern survival crafting slop with a runescape theme so I don't know what that anon is larping about. That was the original idea for NW and it was so poorly received they scrapped the entire game and remade it as a generic MMO instead.
>>724426347>I just built a little shed outside of Minoc and I'm levelling up a Sampire.I have a friend who still plays UO (on a private server, I think). I'm all about WoW though. They've really geared it toward casual, solo players, and that's what I am these days. I don't even have a guild anymore.
>>724429659the original new world was basically a rust clone, not runescape. but the framework is there for a grindy skill-up game. no one wants to play something that already exists but a worse version of it
>>724424814>Does nothing>Wins
>>724427714>yeah let me just buy the ga-
>Owned by Amazon>Amazon lays of 30k+ ppl>Entire studio gets heem'dorbital kek 2bh
>X korean slop with 300 concurrent players is still alive and gets updates!yeah their servers probably run on a SIM card. New World is multiplatform fully voiced full action combat and with probably the best graphics on the MMO market right now
>>724429930what do graphics have to do with server costs? That shit is all local
>>724429838What do you think dragonwilds is, exactly? It's nothing like runescape at all.
I had a somewhat weird experience with this game in that I was super into it during the open beta that was like a month before launch. Then after it launched I played until about level 25ish and then immediately lost all desire to play, and never touched it again. I don't even know why. It just happened
>>724426190ESO, SW:TOR and FFXIV are all still around. Admittedly i think all 3 are flagging at the moment.
>>724425397Are you sure this isn't a Steam store policy? If a game is shutting down you're either forced to take down the listing or put very clear warnings on it.
>>724429734WoW is pretty good now for every possible demographic, and it's just gonna dominate when housing is properly released.
>>724430889LOL
>>724430947Tranny zoomer cope aside, you know it's true.
>>724422709This was the game that started with soulslike combat and then was changed to tab target because MMOdicts whined, ironic that it now dies exactly becauuse the same MMOdicts just see it as bootleg WoW
>>724422709kek guess all the paid shills in the world can't save this shit game
>>724422709>conquistador shit that no one gives a fuckdeserved
>>724430889WoW is literally the reason why MMOs suck now. MMOs used to be about exploring unique worlds and being social with other players. Now they might as well just be single player games since you have no real incentive to even interact with other players beyond forced party content. That all started because of WoW
>>724431032Action combat and MMOs simply do not mix.
>>724422709shit trash game with retarded playerbase and even stupider devs
>>724431137i did care about it
>>724431335PSO2 was amazing until they killed it
>>724430889The literal first MMO ever conceived had an extensive housing system, nearly every MMO ever released has had housing. No one aside from the terminally addicted care that WoW is getting housing 20 fucking years after it launched.
Why pay 1000s of people if you can pay 10 and make a snoop dog game, kek(This is sarcasm, chill)Rip new world
This game was a shitty 9-5 simulator, it wasn't fun at all just endless grind for ugly armours
>>724431335says who?>if our combat skill ceiling is still based on 2005-era facerolling then our mmo will surely stand out
>>724422709>relese expanison like 2 weeks ago>player numbers are finally looking good, 30-40k players>devs get a mail from daddy amazon overnight that they are all fired and the project is deadI hecking love capitalism and shareholders
>>724431335Tera was amazing until they killed it and got sued by competitors. It's getting a sequel though.
I play OSRSWould play classic wow but the community is dogshit
>>724431581Says the market, it just isn't fun long term. The only games that stick with it are Korean MMOs and it's definitely not the reason why they are popular.
>>724422709There is no way that game didn't make 50 million a year; it had 30-40k players just on Steam daily.That amount of money is more than enough to support this kind of game. Fuck happened?
>>724431727It doesn't have a monthly fee anon.
>>724423375They've just added housing to WoW.The whales are going to be buying forever. Women LOVE that shit and the game is now marketed exclusively to women and has been for years as can be seen by extreme leftist wokism nonsense in multiple expansions in a row now. There will be exclusive cosmetic packs that are cosmetic only for housing and that system will get more advanced and expand in time.
>>724431714The market likes action games thoughbeit. The most profitable games are action games
>>724431660>sequel for TERADon't give me hope Anon. I don't think my heart could bear it
>make profit for 4 years>its not enoughwhat a surprise
>>724431310>WoW is literally the reason why MMOs suck now. MMOs used to be about exploring unique worlds and being social with other players.NTA and I won't deny that the theme park MMO isn't really in keeping with the original vision of MMOs, but the bigger problem is that people and the internet have changed. Ostensibly a game like Albion Online is very similar to Ultima Online, but the experience of playing it is not similar in any way because it is overrun with third-world locust swarms. You play that game, you have to become the lumber slave of some cartel guild out of Turkey. It's not even like WoW has the same kind of player base anymore.
I just want Wildstar back with regular expansions.. it was shaping up to be so good right before they killed it..
>>724431581the problem with action combat is it is difficult to make combat encounters with mechanics other than 'stand here'.
>>724428693Amazon will never kill twitch. It has never been profitable, they already fired hundreds of twitch employees overnight and try to trim the fat, but twitch is likely to stay as money drain.But twitch has a massive non-monetary reason for amazon to exist, it's a perfect propaganda/internet culture tool amazon can use to influence people.Also twitch was a massive ad for amazon prime back in the day, amazon probably made billions on people buying more staff with their amazon prime that they bought to get a free sub on twitch.
>>724431137they censored the conquistador stuff and made it woke
So that's Amazon's exit from the gaming business confirmed. Looks like the crytek engine didn't pan out.
>>724431918I still don't really get how Twitch loses money. Is it because of Prime Subs?
>>724431794$60 + cosmetic store is more than enough to cover that.This game easily made $300M - 400M in 4 years.
>>724431818And yet it's never truly worked within the MMO genre because the two concepts just don't work well together. You have an action combat system trying to function alongside a community heavy approach in a game people generally play for long periods of time, it's just not great.
>>724431335Black desert online was a peak MMO back in pre-covid years, just that monkey korean devs killed open world pvp and forced shitton of p2w.
>>724431868same with new world
>>724431335Not yet...
>>724431861Never trust a F2P game, nor one that has legal RMT to buy playing time.
>>724432013bdo is stil an ok mmo, its niche but its still around and seems fairly popular
>buy game>money stolenanother reason to never buy games
>>724425397I bought this game a couple days ago to play with some bros since they said the game was good now (and it was pretty fun for the 8 hours I got to play it) and now I'm fucked out of a refundso based of them to do this
>>724432010It worked in Tera and that game had group pvp. Tera only died because the people running it at the time fucked up and banned an anti lag tool. The parent company was also being sued at the and they couldn't recover from it
>>724431310WoW was merely a vector for the disease. The community itself started to degrade as it aged and focused on elitism and gayte keeping.
>>724432002go to any popular game section and start scrolling downdont stop when you get to 1 viewer keep scrollingdont stop when you get to 0 viewer streams keep scrollingthey have to host all that shiti bet they burn more money than youtube but they keep it around for advertising
>>724422709>>724432107I bought it a month ago. How is this shit legal?
>>724431335Vindictus had the best combat of any MMO because it limited it (mostly) to small parties. Game is ass now though.
>>724423008i'm going to die of old age before maplestory shuts down
>>724432076looks too flashy. what i liked about new world is that the combat was a bit more grounded than you average korean mmo anime actionslop
>>724432002Streaming to millions of people in fullhd and 8k bitrate siphons fuckton of bandwidth and server resources. Twitch is losing money on tens of thousands of 5 viewers andies that bring zero money but suck out server resources same as the top profitable streamers bringing in a lot of money. But twitch cannot stop providing 5viewers andies with their servers or the platform will die.And compared to youtube that profits billions from videos/short that are 100000x less resources intensive than streaming, twitch is purely a streaming platform and cannot offset streaming infrastructure with videos/shorts income like youtube does.
>>724422709>have unlimited money and couldn’t make it work because stupid Not surprised at all
>>724432240game will still be kept alive for another year and the content that is in the game now is still valid
>>724423008Nothing wrong with mmos dying just make it so players can host servers
>>724432050Yeah that's why I understand the frustration New World players must feel right now.
>>724427942For MMOs it's more like casual players slowly caught on to the fact they existed to get farmed and lost interest
>>724432123>and now I'm fucked out of a refundno you're notthe 2h shit is just for automatic refunds, steam almost always complies if a devteam does some big retarded change or rugpull without a long announcement time to give a refund for
Lasted longer than Blue whatever.Maybe with the next MMO they buy, things will be different.
>>724424316Just Amazon killing 40k jobs because of ai lol
>>724432702there is no next MMO. they're going all in on AI slop
>>724432395I wonder if Google would be interested in buying out Twitch at some point. A youtube/twitch merger could be really big.
>>724431861>>724432196It's a combination of multiple things1. Social media didn't exist back then or was way more limited, a lot of people played MMOs because they where essentially their form of social media. If you look back at for example Maplestory back in the day, it wasn't a very good game at all but it was a free game with cute pixel art where you could talk to other people and maybe party up to go grind together. That was really all people needed to enjoy an MMO back then.2. MMOs where a niche in a niche. Gaming is now this huge mainstream market and MMOs are designed to be mainstream and accessible too, but most of the old MMOs where often designed to be either indifferent or straight up hostile to the player, which they did in order to properly immerse the player into their world as a place that could be real. Essentially, MMOs used to be about the developers making a unique world and allowing players to experience that world together. Now MMOs are just about trying to appeal to as many players as possible to generate maximum retention rate. The world doesn't matter anymore, the other players don't matter anymore, all that matters is that they can keep you inside of a hamster wheel endlessly spending money.
>>724432076This looks like dogshit Zhang, probably a gacha too.
>>724432531Well you see it in every genre, look at the discourse surrounding Tarkov for example where people would rather play the single player mod than the actual game. Back in the day you played a game because you wanted to enjoy it for what it was, today people play a game because it's popular and then complain that it needs to change to suit their tastes. Real PVP in MMOs is a dead concept because kids today can't handle true meaningful competition with stakes.
>>724423375The same way we all die. I honestly am not sure when Wow would end. I was talking with friends about it and while it's easy to go "XIV will maintenance mode on the 10th expansion" or whatever why would blizzard kill WOW?WOW is functionally a facebook/instagram/4chan/reddit but in video game form. The people there are hooked for life, they wouldn't go on to a WOW 2 but will always come back for some time.WOW will be retired when the people who were in that golden teens to 20s during the 2000s are in their 70s and are dying off. Which means something like 30 years, give or take.
>>724425973MMOs released before WoW are entirely irrelevant.
>>724431861This. Trade mmo are doa with discord. Maybe they should spread people at random to force them to play with random people but I'm not sure it would even work. MMO were always bad rpg with a single redeeming value: you play it with other human bean
cringe game
>>724432010Tera was fantastic and long lived. Fucked entirely by publisher issues honestly. BDO is genuinely fun and impressive, hampered entirely by Korean-isms like PVP focus and endless grinding. With work it could be an all time great. PSO2 was amazing for a long time. Vindictus is still going and still holds up though its hard to define as an MMOI think you've just developed some kind of Stockholm syndrome accepting that MMOs can't evolve beyond what it was 2 and a half decades ago. It can be better Anon, just not in the current environment of boundless corpo greed and slop
>>724423008>There isn't a single MMO in existence that doesn't have a time limit attachedMaplestory and WoW have not only existed forever, but even if they die private servers exist that are basically 1:1 the experience to the original. I remember when MS private servers didn't even let you talk to NPCs and you had to console command quest progression in and now everything just works normally.
>>724432836didn't Runescape come out before WoW? Its not quite the same but OSR is basically just an evolved version of that original Runescape. Kind of funny that both WoW and OSRS are still the kings of the genre in 2025.
>>724432847prove him wrong
>>724432836WoW wouldn't exist if it wasn't for those MMOs bro, sit down.
>>724432762AI is worse than VR because people keep believing in it. When/what will be the ai "metaverse" moment?
>>724432847It's not like the game is telling you to think like this, it's just portraying an autistic "le science" faction
>>724426271Nta but I can see them going like 10 or 12 years before they make a new ff mmo it’s what yoshi p said
>>>>724432076>the chinese league of legends clone is getting their MMO spinoff out of the door way before Riot even has anything to show at alllol lmao
>>724424493But what about Luna?
>>724433107they're making ai sloppa for it. that's why they killed everything else
>>724432979nope
>>724423110The end for that garbage is a lot closer than you think. Shame it didn't happen 21 years ago. Then maybe good games like Star Wars Galaxies would have survived instead.
>>724432076If you told me it's some generic 2010s chink/gook MMO I'd wholeheartedly believe you
>>724433107>check up on Luna>they apparently released an AI generated snoop dogg game a week ago>the trailer for it has almost 6M views but the video only has like 30 likes and under 10 commentsjesus christ they don't even try to hide their botting anymore.
>>724432921Mabinogi is even older than wow and it has hybrid action tab target combat.
>>724431918Microsoft will never kill Mixer.
This is so sad. New World music and sound design is so good, graphics are great too for an MMO. Combat is very unique even among 'action' MMOs as most other action MMOs just look like devil may cry with anime beams.
>>724433295nah it sucked you're just coping
>>724422709Lmao I was actually thinking of buying it, thank god.
>>724432076WHAT GAME ?
>>724433501https://honorofkingsworld.com/en/index.html
>>724433263>>724427078
>>724433284Twitch holds like 70% of streaming market share, while mixer was always irrelevant.
>>724423008fill it with ai "players"
>>724423008Games that have pirate servers gonna last.
>>724423494>>724423316>>724423183it basically did rs3 copying wow combat tho and it's alive. the only reason it's back is cause they returned to celtic shit
>>724431335Tera has some of the best combat of MMOs I have ever played
>>724434108What? Mabi is older than WoW and has always been Celtic shit
>>724432308>vindy>mmoGood one anon it’s a MO
>>724433295NW combat and graphics were good, models (the character models which is hugely important in an MMO) were absolute dogshit terrible and made Everquest 2 look good. The only good thing about NW was the combat and 3 abilities was still a con that hurt it in the long run. Doesn't matter, games gonna go away soon.
>>724427837Because it's different people who make those decisions. Game's management team probably tries its best to show how they are successful, but upper level management doesn't care. You can't expect something as huge as Amazon with hierarchy so tall to be able to manage MMO properly.
do we expect zoomers to actually play mmos
>>724432831Getting a win here and there matters, but I largely agree. It's not like people like that didn't exist decades ago either, but it felt like they were a smaller proportion. I'm guessing it has something to do with growing up in the mobile gaming era in which so many games are effectively and sometimes literally impossible to lose, and then people bring that mindset elsewhere
>>724434162No one played Tera for the combat, you say that but we all know why people play Korean MMOs. Action combat and the actual MMORPG genre simply do not mix, for good reasons, no one wants to be mashing buttons like it's a fighting game for 8 hour daily stretches.
>>724432801Well written and concise explanation, good job anon. This post should be screenshotted for future use.
>>724422709RIPMeanwhile GW2 somehow still gets expansions
>>724434162Tera's combat is amazing because the hit/hurtboxes are true to the models. BAMs are incredibly fun to fight because you can figure out ways to safely sneak in attacks by paying attention to the actual model
>>724434486>No one played Tera for the combatYou’re retarded and I will ignore every else in your post now.
>>724434409zoomers know what wow and osrs is from memes
>>724434571GW2 is kept on life support its tiny furry pedophile fanbase
>>724434571GW2 doesnt feel like an RPG I dont know. Is TBC Classic really the only option? Are we really going back to Blizzard?
>>724434647Uhhuh, please do. Korean MMO junkies are the worst, even worse than WoW addicts.
>>724434598Lancer tanking in tera was the best
>>724434598That's a nice thing to have. I remember trying Everquest once, and I kinda liked everything except the fact that in combat melee characters hit from like 2 meters far from their enemy. It killed the game for me.
>>724434486Combat was the only reason to play tera
>>724434409Not really. Wow and osrs are dad games now
>>724434795I preferred warrior myself but yeah tanking as either was an absolute blast. The most fun I ever had in any multi-player game.
Tick Tock Destiny.
Expect a bunch of shit games over the next decade or so. If executives really do think they're going to be using AI to build games, those games are likely to be extremely basic, and people with talent will avoid the games industry, for fear of getting laid off (they'll go into fintech or whatever instead).
>>724434571GW2 killed the lore of GW1 so I don't recognize it in any capacity.
>>724434571Pretty fun side game since Dawntrail was lame. Still havent gotten to EoD though.
>>724423316>>724434108Mabi is a weird case because nexon never even mentions it in any of their quarterly reports because it basically makes them no money, yet at the same time they keep dumping resources at the devs to keep the IP going with big updates and new games. For example Maplestory does infinitely better than Mabi, yet Nexon invests way less into keeping that IP fresh. I guess it eventually worked out because Mabinogi Mobile is doing really well in Korea right now I guess.
>>724422709The only MMO's I play are free. I don't like spending money on vidya unless I know I like it. MMO's are tricky for me, because the quality of the game can spike drastically for whatever reason.Any good free MMO's aside from Runescape?
>>724435042A free MMO is not worth playing.
>>724422709Damn. Those five guys still playing will be so upset
>>724435153game is around 34-40k concurrent players, well this announcement will probably make the number drop
>>724423008>MMO's can't do anything but die. There isn't a single MMO in existence that doesn't have a time limit attachedWow, you're very smart, what a very insightful and intelligent post, nobody knew this
You didn't fall for streamers and JewTubers telling you the game is kino, right? You didn't buy Angry Earth, right anon?
>>724435224It's already dropped by half. It's dead dude. We probably have a better chance of Wildstar coming back over this game getting anything of a playerbase
>>724435402>You didn't buy Angry Earth, right anon?I got it for free last week. it was pretty fun
kek he won
>>724435112You think so? I loved Runescape, really like Warframe, and enjoyed The First Descendant. They were all free tp an extent.
>>724422709Nobody cared about this game besides giga normalfag retards
>>724422709It was still alive?
the two mmos i've played for more than 200 hours (maplestory 2 - 2k hours, new world - 6k hours) died. SAD
>>724435647>enjoyed The First DescendantI’m so sorry
>>724435647Runescape locks 90% of its content behind a sub
>>724435647>>724435875I will say Runescape does have a really solid chunk of gameplay as a f2p player, there's easily a good 100 hours of gameplay there before you kind of run out of things to do that aren't just grinding your f2p skills
>>724432437>buy house>but its still going to work a year so its good!
in today generation of halo created fps we got>MMOs released before WoW are entirely irrelevant.
>>724432076>27sec webm>All that flashy shit>Barely did a small chunk of damage>Fight'll probably take the normal amount of time any other MMO dungeon boss fight takes, 3-5minsSell me a little harder than that, anon. All I'm looking at is basically Vindictus without the fanservice.
>>724423008Kinda irrelevant. How many games have you played that are like 2 decades old that arent remakes? Probably like 1-2.
>>724435042ESO is the only big game I know that does B2P but I don't really like it
>>724436548Defiance is too technically...which was fun for awhile but about as shallow as a puddle.
ESO could have been the perfect MMO if they didn't make that walking atrocity of a combat system.
>>724435789Can you give a review of what you thought about Maplestory 2? It was an utterly fascinating game to me because of how little it felt the devs knew what the fuck they where trying to create. Did they want to make a successor to the original game? Did they want to focus on user generated content? Why did they suddenly pivot to a main story focused progression instead of the more traditional progression it originally had? It had a lot of charm but it was genuinely bewildering to see a game like that be made with no clear vision or goal of what it was supposed to be. It absolutely could have been a big hit if they just had a proper direction for the game to go into.
>>724436743The combat system is fine, great even. It's that their content has dropped massively in quality. Up to Greymoor their chapters were fantastic, it was a great game. Greymoor through Gold Coast had its ups and downs, much less consistent. And now theyre not even doing chapters anymore, theyre doing seasons, and the content has become dogshit. Morrowind through Greymoor is probably one of my favorite MMOs of all time.
man I forgot this shit even existed, was this the one where the chick got banned for milking bessie?
>>724436913>>724424031
>>724426190LotRO is still around, though its massively consolidated servers.Star Trek Online is still around.
>>724426190FFXI is doing so well that they recently had to lock two servers because they were at capacity.
>>724423008Exactly, if you play an MMO, it's the equivalent to buying a ticket to a rock concert or a movie. You better enjoy it while it lasts because you can't take it with you. And the MMO better offer something you can't get any other way, otherwise it's worthless.
we must return to the old ways
Test
>>724436873ESO has a mind numbing easy overworld and questing, it's impossible to die, even afk, vet dungeons and trials are only hard because their shit instakill mechanics.And the base game is ffxiv tier atrocious.
>>724437302>You better enjoy it while it lasts26 years and counting
>>724424326For a game like EVE, a lot of the draw is from the world being persistent and shaped by player action. A lot of other games can handle the socialization aspect and the metaprogression in the form of the characters developing, but it's really hard to build a persistent world that can be affected at all times without the thing being permanently online.
Are you still able to buy microtransactions or did they remove those too?
>>724438043>Are you still able to buy microtransactionsyes
>>724422954SKG never gave a fuck about MMOs EOSing
>>724422709I'm so glad I refunded this shit after the playtests. The writing was on the wall from the very moment it launched.
>>724434486>No one played Tera for the combatAre you willingly being retarded or were you born that way? TERA excelled in combat. It released in 2010 or something where there only other real contenders were WoW, runescape and SWTOR. Fighting BAMs and exploring a vibrant and colourful world was great. I also really enjoyed building combo chains and using glyphs to alter how skills worked. The game had many flaws but combat was not one of them
>>724422709NO REFUNDS
>>724424190The average dev is braindead and has a trouble developing pacman, when you add in netcode 99.99% of them get filtered, everything else is a bullshit, the hardware is cheap as fuck, so cheap that random people manage to host servers for tens of thousands of players without having finacial troubles.
>>724438365It almost always seems to be the case that if devs try to use a modern engine they end up having to do a bunch of modifications to make it support the netcode required for an MMO yeah. So there's probably at least an engine hurdle to get past to begin with.
>>724438297There STILL hasn't been another mmo that doesn't combat as well. BDO feels good but its combat is actually hitscan with fancy animations. You cannot position yourself to do precise dodging like you can in TERA
>MMO threadhttps://youtu.be/HI5wZIn9c8YTir Chonaill... Home...
>>724436743>gamers ate that slop combat not long after skyrim>it is pve focused at a time when making a pvp mmo wasn't a cardinal sin yetfuck. gamers.
>>724422709How the fuck can't AMAZON afford to spend a tiny tiny 0.00000001% of their money for some updates?
>>724438297We know why you played the game, don't be coy.
>>724434486>No one played Tera for the combatshut up animal
>>724436743I liked ESO and only stopped playing becuase I got perma banned by the safe space faggot mods for havinga "offensive" name for over 2k hours.
>Twitch has been bleeding money for years>*cricket noises*>Their MMORPG that's have a 10000% profit>OY SHUT IT DOWN????
>>724431581Either the average combat is easy enough it might as well be tab-target (PSO2) or it gets to the point where just grinding mobs solo for quests gets tiring because you're always "on" (Wildstar).
>>724438839You don't become a billionaire (soon to be trillionaire) by spending money, anon. You get that rich by spending OTHER peoples' money. Usually ours.
>>724438885>>724438852
>>724438951Twitch is a loss leader to show how good their server infra is to potential buyers. New World is irrelevant.
>>724431660>It's getting a sequel thoughplease nothe main reason to play TERA wasn't combat ACTUALLY it is there are virtually no black characters/black skin in the game. a sequel would ruin that
>>724428457Can you do the same for wow
>>724423265>40k players for an MMOIsn't that pitifully small for what most MMOs hope to have?As far as I know, most western MMOs for a long time thought they could reach WoW numbers. The suits are probably pulling the plug thinking 40k is terrible, which it might be.
>>724438487The more people you had the more creative you need to get, even though hardware is very powerful right now it's still limited by the law of electronics, you need a lot of hacking (in the practical sense) to be able to have even just 1000 players on screen doing things to each other, it becomes exponentially more complex the more they are as each player's client needs to interact with the server and each other player's client-.
>>724438951Twitch is basically onlyfans now, it's a good jewish tool to keep breaking the youth.
>>724438965PSO2 is only easy if you play easy content. https://youtu.be/ATjii7XQO1k?si=uI_41BqtKueliYJk
>>724439154Not to be a playercount or chart posting jackass but yeah it is, I think the fact that the game has no monthly sub fee is what makes that number matter even more.
>>724423008Aren't Ragnarok private servers thriving?I think /v/ has its own server, even
If Arenanet is actually working on GW3 and it's not a collective copium, they're gonna release to zero competition at this rate. They just need to focus on things they're good at like world level design.
>>724438839You can tell amazon never wanted to be in the gaming market anyways,they entered because why the fuck not then proceeded to have some hardcore post nut clarity about 3 flops in.
>>724439154>40k CONCURRENT players on PC aloneHow is that small?
>>724438993>>724438852yeah im glad we can both agree i played that game to optimize my character while eviscerating other peoples characters, and once that wasn't possible anymore i dropped it like it never even existed
>>724432702Blue Protocol never even made it to the west because the changes Amazon forced killed its appeal in Japan. Blue Protocol Star Resonance started out as a mobile game and it shows. The game has a hundred different currencies and only one major world zone.
I'll miss it. I played at launch then for about 6 months.Full time proximity voice chat was amazing, so many good memories
>>724439518non-subscription MMOs require larger player counts to remain viable. Most players will not be buying the micro-transactions that support the continued development of the game.
>>724438839for a corporation, any money not generating more money, is money wasted. The other issue is too many executives will see a steady and small amounts of profit as a waste because it could be money invested in a project that MIGHT generate even more. More often than not these big projects are gambles that backfire because the people in charge have no fucking clue what they are doing, but it's not their money they're burning, so it isn't their problem.
LMAOEVERY NIGHT IN MY DREAMS, I SEE YOU, I FEEEEEEEEEEEL YOU
>>724439752So why is Twitch still open?
>>724439548Now post your actual character
>>724439752Thats basically what happened. The games market has been steadily growing for decades but the new hotness is the AI bubble, and if you arent going all in on what the investors want you are opening yourself up to lawsuits from business school brained morons who only care about the next quater
>>724439518it's potentially small for the genre and relative to the expectations/dev costs.If it's an indie shooter or private WoW server run by some russian that sells cosmetics in game, then 40k concurrent players is amazing and he's set for life. Amazon is a mega corporation that has spent millions on this game, and employes a team of people to run the game. They are not making their returns unless those 40k people are mega whales.
>>724435030>mobile EA Sports FCWhat kind of fucking animal plays sports games on a mobile?
What the fuck do we play now, guys?>inb4 WoW/GW2/ESO/FFXIV/BDOlet's not kid ourselves here
so now now new MMOs on the horizon, nothing to look forward to at all, whats the fucking point anymore, that new LotR one is probably canned too
>>724440170Old School Runescape
>>724440170BDO
>>724439837i only ever made elin to complete gameplay specific things. never spent any money on costumes.
>>724440170phantasy star online blue burst
>>724439834I don't know enough about Twitch's situation to really comment on it, so I'll speak out my ass again.If Twitch is burning a big hole in Amazon's pocket, then it's possible that Amazon keeps it up because it's still the go-to streaming platform and they would rather not dismantle or sell off their dominance in a market when they still hope it can be turned around. Choosing between axing twitch or axing their forgotten MMO is an easy choice given what they are in their respective markets. Alternatively, it's possible that Twitch generates money or breaks even by being a bonus for subbing to amazon prime, or some other roundabout way that generates money.
>>724434486I played it for over 1000 hours and never once made a female character. I stopped playing it when they started releasing female only classes. Those little bear niggas and those huge baraka obama mfs were the best races.
God damn it. LOTRO2 was going to take advantage of all the lessons they learned off New World. New World just got good too.Just as a reminder LOTRO is giving away 90-95% of its content away for free.https://www.lotro.com/news/lotro-free-questing-coupon-2025-en
>>724440443Twitch it primarily a marketing platform, it just needs to break even to be incredibly valuable to a retail giant like Amazon
>>724440170>ESO: Banned>New World: Dead>OSRS: Burned out by sub-timer and P2W both killing enjoyment>FFXIV: Got bored in the Heavensward part of the trial>WoW: never played>GW2/BDO/LA/T&L: Got bored after 3 hours like all Koreanshit MMOs
>>724440170Mabinogi. Come home. https://youtu.be/1uJ7dqE4r3s?si=53vCfq0ei4E5ixc_
>makes games on the promise of it being supported for years to come>take it down when it doesn't reach the same popularity as the games it's trying to copy that have been out for 20 yearsThey really need to stop trying to be another game and just make a game and stick with it
>>724440572TESO is getting landscape difficulty next year. Fucking finally. I'll just play that until someone makes a LOTR game worth a fuck.
>>724440170lotro
>>724440170>dropped BDO after 3k hours and reaching 800 gs.>dropped GW2 after 7k hours of mostly WvW and PvPHonestly, I am just waiting for Where the Winds Meet and playing SP games on the side. I am done with dogshit MMORPGs
>>724439814>nearly a fucking million users at one point on SteamDid they give this away for free at some point? I understand an MMO has ongoing costs, but that's wild
>>724422834"This shit isn't as bad as the rest of this other shit!"
The most fun I had playing vidya since vanilla WoW…That said, haven’t played in 2 years so who cares, I guess
>>724440540Did they fix the lag? I've played BR lineage 2 servers hosted on their gaming laptop that run smoother that lotro
>>724440540>remember kicking around on this literally a decade ago as a Rohan Standard Bearer with SummonNoice. Is it hard to get back into now with the fucking million different things going on?
>>724440620I just can't be arsed to regrind that shit after getting my CP 1000+ account with multiple leveled alt characters banned.
>>724440668>I understand an MMO has ongoing costsamazog hemorrhages money on twitch so it seems to be standard practice
>>724440668It was way back when the game launched, there was massive hype around the game. Numbers fell off a cliff immediately after and never managed to recover above 80k-ish.
>>724433657Private servers with AI bots to fill out the space, like .hack, would unironically be kino.
And what of Good Dungeons and Dragons Online?
>>724440540It astounds me that this game is still getting regular updates and expansions at a pace that shouldn't be possible with how much money they have
>>724440668Actual Giga Mega WoW Killer Hype (this was during the big Shadowlands exodus when WoW players were desperately looking for anything that wasn't WoW) but AGS/New World devs dropped the ball really hard. Bugs out the ass, shitty performance, the content was very samey at the time.
>>724440578I actually really liked that game, even played on the private server (MabiPro) for a while. They're giving the game a facelift with UE5 right? I'll probably check it out when they release that.
The superior MMORPG.
>>724440795How'd you get banned anon? Pic related?>>724440731Yes. Lag is significantly less on the 64-bit servers that just launched 3-4 months ago.
>>724440991Why would I play this over something like .hack?
>>724422709>well thats to be expected, i havent heard from this game in a while, it probably has like 2k players, maybe 3k at most>14k people playing on a week dayhow is this not enough to keep afloat a live service game? this game wasnt even free 2 play
>>724440838Tolkien nerds have a lot of money to throw away. I'm occasionally one of them.
>>724440838The Devs run two MMOs actually. Standing Stone Games does LOTRO and DnDO under the umbrella of Daybreak studios, who itself runs things like Everquest 1 and 2 and Planetside 2Multiple revenue streams and low budgets can let you get away with a lot.
>>724440983Yes they are both remastering the original game in UE5, as well as releasing a mobile spinoff/sequel/reimagining soon
>>724441171It was trending even higher than that before the announcement, it actually kind of recovered a bit especially since they made Angry Earth free as well to celebrate the expansion launch. Amazon just decided to nuke their gaming arm regardless.
>>724440838S O V L
>>724441034>have no no name on all my characters for 1k+ hours>get 3 day ban>forced to name change>have lore-accurate no no names for 500+ hours>get perma ban out of nowhere one day when I come back for midyear mayhamI'm guessing I racked up enough anonamous reports from randoms I kill in PvP, who simply report out of spite, which flags the autonamous report feature to flag my account. Then the bot bans me becuase of my name or something. The funny part is that none of them where even racists or anything.
>>724441336Escalate it anon.Insist to talk to a person.That's bullshit.
>>724438852Stop projecting your masturbation addiction on others. I genuinely played it because I found the game fun.
>>724441336Kills-the-niggers is not a lore accurate name anon, no matter how racist your Argonian is
I had so much fun chopping down trees and shooting things. The sword was fun too
>>724441336Sorry anon but N'wahs-With-Attitude not an appropriate name.
>>724441532I liked that New World actually thought about spears and polearms, not many games do that.
>>724441242its legitimately not far off FF14 and significantly more than Elder Scrolls onlinehttps://steamdb.info/app/39210/charts/https://steamdb.info/app/306130/charts/they could sell the property, unless they are petty enough to just sink a ship they no longer commandeerive been part of numerous death communities, Tribes Ascend (tough i didnt play much), Super Monday Night Combat, Blacklight Retribution, this is not "dead game" numbersfuck, for some fucking reason Planetside 2 still gets meager updates despite having less than 1000 players
>>724441591LOTRO and Guild Wars 1/2 are the only ones I can think of that do.
>>724422709why not just slash the price or put it on a permanent sale to $5-10 if they're closing it down? id play it for a few weeks.
>>724431335action combat feels amazing in MMOs, especially when it feels responsive and theres canceling.GCD is gay nigger shit, its not 2000 anymore servers packets can handle mass input.
>>724441595This is just the state of the industry these days, extract profit and move on the moment things stop meeting whatever arbitrary metric you use to justify keeping the lights on.
>>724441384I tried but they stop responding to emails entirely after 1 or 2 automated responses.>>724441460>>724441541Apparently these names are against TOS.
>>724440170new world combat spoiled me. i know some /v/fags think it's shit and janky but even with all its flaws it was just something unique. i can't go back to tab target mmos or korean anime action combat slop
>>724438951just wait till you find out that 99% of companies are truly never profitable and are in chronic debt
>>72443587510% of Runescape is still like thousands of hours of playtime, shorter if you rush, longer if you just play around naturally.(Disclaimer, I'm speaking from the perspective of like, ten years ago.)
>>724441780Those are pretty inoffensive offensive names honestly.
>>724441780lol deserved the fuck were you thinking? The Dirty N'Wah is the least of your problems when it could be argued you were trying to impersonate Todd and Pete.
Can anyone explain to me why Korea is the only industry still attempting this genre?And how the fuck do they all end up so soulless and boring? It's like they miss some kind of vital piece that makes me want to play but I can't put my finger on it
>>724441780>Employee of Zeni-maxLmao they;ve got you stone cold, but who the fuck needs to have that clause in their Code of Conduct anyway
>>724423183Mabinogi duel died thoughever
>>724442047because koreans and asians in general dont see p2w as the cancer it is, the more p2w the better so their copy pasted mmos can thrive with just a few whales
>>724442047Much better internet infrastructure for one.
>Holidays are cancelled>Not even looping old ones just flat out goneThat's just spitefulActually cancelling Christmas
>>724442047Because they and their players fundamentally misunderstand the genre and just use it as a way to ejaculate their e-peen on the morning train before they go to work so they're all heavily monetized and sexualized to keep people captured by the game.
>>724441934>Anon, why are you playing ESO instead of buying Skyrim?
>>724423110It’s literally already dead
>>724441867Same bro, same. I can't stomach tab targeting at this point. There aren't any MMOs with decent-looking combat on the horizon either. Time to fucking neck I guess.
>>724426323>release the game broken>spend years fixing it>done?>release next broken game immediatelythe battlefield school of gamemaking
>>724428457They cancelled the LOTRO MMO, that was also confirmed today. The whole studio is gone.
The devs should form their own group and make another MMO, just saying. There was some charm underneath it all.
>>724441595Comparing a game that has all of its players on steam vs one that has a tiny percentage is a bit disingenuous.
>>724426323everyone playing who wasn't buying cosmetics/dlcs whatever is literally just wasted cash when its f2pserver costs for mmos are fucking insane
sad thing is that new world is the only game i've played in the past year or so. not exited about any other game coming out. i think this is it for me as a gamer. maybe now i can be productive and start learning gamedev in my free time
>>724431423Blizzdrones unironically think WoW invented housing. They think Blizzard invents every single idea it stills years after the fact.
eso isn't that bad bros
>>724439834They just cut over half their staff today.
>>724442474>iLmao third world incel
>>724442506Can't stand the combat, I've tried multiple times and it never sits right with me. I just can't.
>>724442506I'll go back to it when they add overland difficulty
>>724440170FFXI
>>724442506it isn't but the light attack weaving ruins it for me.
>>724442492It’s unironically cult like in the sense they live detached from reality and all the information they consume is first filtered through the lens of blizzard
>>724442492It would be funny if it wasn't so disastrous for the rest of us to have to deal with these retards.
>>724431727>players on steamAnon it’s Amazon. It was probably bots. Do you remember new world was like THE botted game on launch remember it had like 30 gazillion totally real viewers
>>724422709Wtf, Amazon owns them and can give infinite money.Also this 4chan captcha is stupid, I didn't think I would get the circle above them version fucking 10 times in a row.
>>724442514Why? Don't they make like 60b profit yearly? Shouldn't companies that have NUMBERS GO UP! hire more people?
>>724442734If you have to pay less employees that makes number go up.
>>724442635>simpsons did it except done unironically in real lifelol blizzdronesnot even once
>>724442514fake news. i wish it was true. they fired a couple hundred at most.
>>724422709Get woke go broke There are faggots on this board who shilled Amazon kusoge
>we've reached a point where it is no longer sustainable to continue supporting the game with new content updates.>no longer sustainable
>>724442456but it's owned by amazon, why pay for servers when they OWN their own hosting provider
>>724442362Its a shame, the lessons from New World would have made LOTRO 2 pretty good
>>724442768But don't they have to hire more people to keep up the illusion or something that they are profitable?
>can't even buy the game anymorelmao wtf
Imagine playing an MMO since WoW ruined Everquest demographic and everyone turned into a weekend dad casual pussy that needs welfare epics/participation trophies/pity, instances, no penalty for dying (corpse runs, gear loss, begging other guilds to get your body out from 1 way entrance dungeons full of instant death mobs, etc).
>>724442952uhmmm but they have to pay to keep the servers running! Ignore the fact they get goberment subsidies and barely have to pay any electricity/power at all!
>>724440170gw3 is in development, but based on the current content from arenanet it's going to be absolute woke garbage
>>724442559fair>>724442595what's wrong with clicking m1 between every skill it just becomes automatic eventually
>>724423110people would rather play the orginal broken ass game than the current slop blizz puts out
>>724440762Not really hard to get into but most zones are completely empty due to low pop and most players sitting at cap means leveling content is pretty much solo unless you have friends playing with you.
>>724443148>beat up the bigot
>>724443148I thought they got rid of the old writers
>>724443148>development started around a year agocya in 2030
>>724442061It's pretty common for naming your character after a dev to be against ToS. Something about impersonating issues or some shit. Either way, only a true retarded memetard would even do it.
>>724424031>PermenantIs this edited?
I just recently went through my NW screenshots and I thought to myself>damn that was a beautiful and fun game
>>724422954you did that to yourself "gamers"
Playing this game near the start was peak new-MMO kino, so much ganking of retards and nobody knew wtf was going on, all the abilities were broken and none of the math added up, glitches out the assThen as always, a couple weeks in the exploits got comically out of control and pretty soon every server was totally unbalanced. I remember some exploit where you could become invincible by changing the game to windowed mode and dragging the window. Then they used this in the pvp mode, but both sides were using it so it became this hilarious circus of bugs and exploits.It's funny, MMOs take so many years to make but they're only ever good for the first two weeks.
did the troons ruin osrs?
>>724443586Nope that's actually how it was spelt in the clip. Makes it that much funnier
>>724444078I'm pretty sure the OSRS team permanently canceled the pride day shit at this point lmao
>>724444078It was an accident
>>724432847>We believe in science chud>Now go kill these undead skeleton men with magic
>>724422845>it's no longer possible to update OUR FUCKING MMO LIVE SERVICE, CHUDSthe filthy scammer jeets running amazon are doing that so you wont be able to request a refund 6 months from now when it actually does shut down. most payment processors only give you a 3-4 month window and amazong SHUTTING THE FUCKING GAME DOWN would qualify most digital purchases for a refund if requested.
>We will develop no new content for this game it is essentially dead but you can keep buying it and buying our Amazon bucks for MTXThe balls on these fucks.
>>724425397based rogue employee. dont let the jeets scam you out of your hard earned money. request a refund and dont let these street shitters trick you.
>>724445015You literally cannot buy it anymore, check the steam page. The devs basically rebelled and delisted it.
>>724445081Kek basedThe corpo announcement said it will remain available for purchase
>>724426473you're a fucking idiot. they want to transition to thee gacha model. thats what all the big corpos are trying to to do. F2p/poorfag mmorpgs are done. hardcore games are done. New games going forward will be simplist, casual, retardfests for phone users (but with cross play for console and pc) so the few people who still have jobs can dump 400$ into a gacha banner every 3 weeks rather than rely on poorfags f2ping all day for a 15$ a month sub.Every shareholder in the world is telling their jeet slaves to start pounding out genshin impact clones with double the banner costs and half the content. This is going to be like the 2010s when everyone was trying to make wow clones but they all fail because nobody actually wants to put in the money to actually add all the content wow (or in this case, genshin impact) has.
>>724440835DDO online is fantastic, except its plagued by the most jewish cash shop in existence with MASSIVE power gaps between paid classes/races and f2p ones.Its not worth playing because of this.
Good thread honestly, real damn shame about this genre but as ever I will remain mildly optimistic about the future. What else can I do?
should I play the fan relaunch of it that comes out 6 or so years after the official servers shut down?
>>724445663>Good threadYwnbaw
