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>incarnadine...

>>724477781
Night Road is very good. I heats Fountain of Knives is the best but I haven't played it.

The Werewolf: The Apocalypse CYOAs are also good.

>>724477781
>play as a dude
>characters occasionally refer to you as a chick
Tranny "game"

>>724477895
I still don’t understand how he become a fat dude with mind warping abilities

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>>724477781
Been playing the visual novels for the first time. Shadows was great, Coteries was enjoyable and just started Reckoning.

Lasombra pride worldwide.

>>724478064
>he was fat before his embrace
>his malk insanity got substantially worse after being trapped underground for a 100 years, allowing him to influence people with his mind or something

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>>724478119
Reckoning feels very AI

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>We are delighted to announce that we’ve got a Free Update for you today. It's a Halloween Update that includes 24 new ways to customize your look, with 8 new hairstyles, 8 makeup styles, and 8 eye colors. All so that you can celebrate the end of October in style!
>This spooky update comes alongside more quality-of-life improvements as we continue to consider the feedback you provide through various channels. We’ll keep releasing regular updates and patches throughout 2025 and into 2026.
>In future updates, we’re looking at including features such as an FOV slider, new save game options, custom difficulty settings that include the ability to play only Phyre’s side of the story on your second playthrough, as well as additional customization options.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/bloodlines-2-halloween-update
They need to ensure that these patches have a steady cadence. Minimum pace needs to be one major patch a month. Regardless, they are looking at basically every aspect of the game's design, listening to feedback, and making improvements.

>>724478247
Yeah I do prefer the hand drawn art style of the first game. It does feel like a downgrade, music too.

>>724477781
Parliament of Knives is very good if you like politicking. I played as a Toreador and imagined them being a sire-obsessed treacherous sort, and the game let me play that out and acknowledged it even. Good stuff.

>>724478273
Ok they’re listening, custom difficulty would be pretty big. Fix side quests and the masquerade mechanic and it might be partially salvaged

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>>724478273
>They need to ensure that these patches have a steady cadence. Minimum pace needs to be one major patch a month. Regardless, they are looking at basically every aspect of the game's design, listening to feedback, and making improvements.
>We’ll keep releasing regular updates and patches throughout 2025 and into 2026
Seems like that's the plan but it depends on how useful these patches/updates are.

These horns are stupid too but I guess you can play around that it's a Tzimisce thing

>>724478432
Long term, I hope they actually improve Fabien's sequences, but frankly I don't see the need for a custom difficulty. Just make it so that when you're replaying, it pops up with "Switch to Fabien" vs "Skip" each night.

I get what they're doing, through. Their biggest priority in the first week or so is fixing game breaking bugs. This game and its save system make game breaking bugs an experience ruiner. So fixing them as fast as possible is key, then they can begin looking at other things to change and improve.

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>>724477781
This one's also good

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>>724478273
>8 new hairstyles

Nice actually. The options were pretty limited before. I hope at least one of them is usable and they don't lean into punk shit like undercuts and mohawks.

>Only play Phyre's side

Even nicer. Fabien kills replayability so hard. I'm genuinely surprised they're taking feedback into account rather than just dumping the game, good on them to be quite honest.

>>724478669
I have never got into werewolves, I generally find them dull. Sell me on it

can someone QRD what's with all the different versions of the rpg?
>VtM (old?)
>VtM (new?)
>V5?
>oWoD?

>>724478697
Chinese room fortunately has 2 dlc that are coming later so they don’t have a ton to do on another project 1. And 2. I think they understand, at least to an extent, the gravity of what they’re working with and want it to be liked

>>724478713
Angry ecoterrorists chosen by Gaia to prevent the apocalypse but probably already failed due to in fighting and politicking

>>724478776
The TTRPG? 5th edition (V5) is the current edition

Hah, it seems like TCR accidentally fucked something up and the cosmetics are only appearing if you start a new game. Guess they're gonna have to push out a hotfix ASAP.

>>724478119
>perfect woman
>is a lesbo
Why are they like this?

>>724478713
WoD Werewolves aren't really werewolves beyond the general turning into a big furry man concept. They're more like Captain Planet with a snout, trying to destroy forces of corruption that harm the world. They're genuinely greenpeace types. Like, explicitly showing up to greenpeace rally tier.

>>724478810
Funny thing is, before they went independent, TCR clearly wanted to move on to new, original projects. But now I don't think they want to lose Paradox's financial lifeline because whatever original game they're working on is 3-4 years away. They need Paradox's money. If they could somehow persuade Paradox to let them make VTMB3 that would probably be the safest financial outcome.

>>724478883
>>724479059
Hmm.. might check it out then. I've just got night road and parliaments of knives and found out you can transfer steam purchases to your phone/tablet so I'll try it and do some comfy adventuring. I find these games aren't comfy sat at my desk doing all the reading

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>>724479059
Greenpeace uses peaceful protest like faggots. Werewolves in WoD kill and blow shit up

>>724478273
what? I already finished and uninstalled the game I can't imagine reinstalling it because it's a story game that I already finished. I don't care about haircuts

>>724479106
Despite the sales figures not being all that impressive, I actually wouldn't be totally shocked if they somehow pull a VTMB3 out of the bag. Couldn't say if it'd be better or worse, but now that they've got the general kit developed for how they want their vampire experience to work- It should be far quicker and potentially less costly to roll out. Just depends on if Paradox wants to play ball or not.

>>724479106
They’d probably have to license it out still i’d assume and fund much of it themselves

>>724478360
The weird thing is that Steam has a policy that a game using AI must be tagged accordingly. Devs says that it wasn't made by AI.

>>724479192
And fail because all they do is destroy. That's also a key part of it.

>>724478273
>Be too busy with elections to play the game
>I get to play a better version of the game when done

>>724479353
Paradox would probably try to find another publisher willing to foot the bill for VTMB3, if they can get the game into a state where "hey, let's do another one of these" is an easier sell.

Basically make the Dying Light: The Beast of VTMB games.

>>724479264
It's only been a week. They're focused on bug fixing right now. More updates will come and those updates will include improvements to core elements like combat, stealth, quest design, all that stuff.

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>>724479481
>Be too busy with elections to play the game
Hey Zohran

>>724479570
Nope, I'm voting for Curtis. But meanwhile I'm trying to get the neighborhood out to vote as a whole. And it looks like it's working.

>>724478776
Oh, Jesus Christ.
WoD (or oWoD) is the World of Darkness, a general setting in which Vampire the Masquerade, Werewolf: the Apocalypse and Mage: the Ascension takes place. Within that setting Vampire the Masquerade had 3 editions, 1e, 2e and Revised. In was scrapped in 2004 in favour of the new rebooted World of Darkness (or Chronicles of Darkness) and a new line of splats, like Vampire: the Requiem. It was a completely differeny beast, think Age of Sigmar to Warhammer Fantasy. It was a bit controversial, because a lot of fans wanted just the Masquerade back and it kinda-sorta fizzled out and died when the unexpected Vampire the Masquerade: 20th Anniversary Edition dropped (the fabled V20) that was only supposed to be a milestone celebration, but proved to be so good and so well-recieved it singlehandedly revived the whole old World of Darkness line, including Mage, Werewolf, Changeling and Wraith and became the official 4th edition of Vampire the Masquerade. Then the 5th edition of VtM dropped (V5) that was supposed to be yet another stealth reboot and the reception to it was... divisive. Some like it, most thinks it's hot garbage and just stick to V20. As to why is it hot garbage, that's the whole another topic in and of itself.
Is it understandable enough?

Kinda wish it wasn't a constant snowy Winter in the game. Dunno why.

>>724479660
Curtis is based.

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VTM version of this when?

>>724479682
yes, thanks. can you elaborate on what made CoD so different and why V5 is so bad? i only know the franchise from vtmb

>>724479786
He is. Unfortunately most people are voting for Cuomo, but at least Cuomo is competent and can do the job. Then we can get a real leftist who's not a smiling empty suit to win the primary in 4 years. (Or 8 years if Curtis wins, damn it'd be fun to have him as mayor.)

>>724478776
>VtM (old?)
Classic editions
>VtM (new?)
Paradox's shit edition
>V5?
Paradox's shit edition
>oWoD?
Classic World of Darkness before it was rebooted into New World of Darkness (aka. Chronicles of Darkness). Paradox killed nWoD because they wanted to consolidate the universe.

>>724479682
>As to why is it hot garbage, that's the whole another topic in and of itself.
Because it was written by SJWs, nothing more needs to be said.

>>724479892
At some point Heartless Lullaby is meant to be that but seems like it is in development hell

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>>724477781
I got one of these games for free from the EGS, which its the one with the Ravnos chick with her missing sire. Got to the part of the car scene where it felt like a high school drama tv show, and the moment she said "TAKING THE L" and "AIGHT" I just couldn't do it anymore, and I didn't touch the game since.

The MC even walks around with a Walkman, even though the game takes place in the 2020s. You can immediately tell it was written by a bitch.

>>724479892
Heartless symphony but it’s in dev hell

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1926120/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Heartless_Lullaby/

>>724480163
>The MC even walks around with a Walkman, even though the game takes place in the 2020s. You can immediately tell it was written by a bitch.
What do you have against cassettes?

>>724480317
It wouldn't be an issue if the vampire you're playing wasn't sired just 2 years prior to the events of the story, and probably wasn't even alive when cassettes were around.

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>>724478776
The game (VtM) came out in 1991. It was the first game in the World of Darkness setting. It was later joined by Werewolf: The Apocalypse, Mage: The Ascension and a bunch of others. In 1992 came out the second edition, then later down the line the so-called Revised edition. Then in 2004 White Wolf decided to kill the world for various reasons and make a new one.

The new one was also called World of Darkness, so fans dubbed in nWoD (as in new World of Darkness) and the old one oWoD. nWoD was a totally new world with a similar setting. It reused some names for clans, changed others (i.e. there was clan Ventrue it had a bloodline called Malkovian that was basically Malkavian with one letter changed). Systems were using different names, Vampire: The Requiem, Werewolf: The Forsaken, Mage: The Awekening and a bunch of others. It didn't parrot everything, but most of things.

Then in 2011, on the 20th anniversary of VtM came out Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary Edition (V20). It was basically a love letter for fans of oWoD, three editions streamlined and rolled into one big book. At that time White Wolf was owned by CCP (guys that made EVE Online), because they wanted to release a vampire MMO. V20 was popular, it got new supplements, other oWoD games were also getting V20 treatment. Yet guys that made it didn't consider V20 an actual edition and were working on the 4th edition of the game. Keep in mind that nWoD was still being developed and published.

Eventually CCP cancelled the MMO and sold White Wolf to Paradox. In turn Paradox cancelled the still in development 4th edition of VtM, named V20 an actual edition and started working on their own, 5th edition, V5. At the same time they renamed nWoD into Chronicles of Darkness (CofD). V5 release caused a minor international scandal and Pradox dismantled White Wolf as a studio and took over everything. Initially hiring other studios to write and release book, but this year they resurrected White Wolf.

>>724480158
>>724480278
>dev hell
What is it with this franchise and dev hell and shitty production causing issues??

>>724479542
>source: TRUST ME SAAAAAR

finally finished downtown

https://youtu.be/HiSWsSA4grQ?si=05UGAXBGF4WALIK1

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just started coteries so far its just been a lot of reading

>>724479910
V5 isnt bad. There's metaplot changes some people dont like but as a game system its massively superior to what came before.

>>724480534
>just been a lot of reading
It's a visual novel, what did you expect?

>>724480534
It's a visual novel anon, those always have a l;to of reading.

>>724480481
I don’t know but the franchise never seems to be developed by established studios and no hardsuit labs does not count. Look at d&d and cyberpunk, all by studios that have an idea of what they’re doing and even cyberpunk was in dev hell. Heartless symphony was some fan game essentially by a spanish studio and they’re making it into a full game who knows when. The dev said dev is slow but going

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I want to shove my dick in Patience's ass.

>>724480534
Uh yeah its a VN

>>724480634
>>724480642
alright i didnt know and op asked for thoughts those are my thoughts

>>724480692
they're good stories anyway, you have agency in picking certain outcomes

>>724480643
>Heartless symphony was some fan game essentially by a spanish studio and they’re making it into a full game
so if you have a decent prototype will Paradox possibly fund your game and make it official? I've wanted to make a Vampire game for awhile

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This VN isnt bad but it takes way too long to get to the point

>>724480749
CYOA books were fun when growing up , especially ones that could end in my own death.

>>724480828
I don’t know if they still do but they had vampire game jams. You could always email paradox, for all their flaws they’re pretty open to fan works

>>724480643
I think it's because Paradox are cheap and aren't willing to spend much money. Larian and Cyperpunk invested lots of money and resources into BG3 and CP2077. Paradox do the bare minimum, hide everything behind DLC and then move on once the damage is done. Fuck Paradox.

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Why aren't VtM fans tech-savvy enough to make something like OpenMW for Bloodlines?

>>724480163
I still used a walkman in the 2010s as a meme
the bitches love a nigga with bon jovi tapes at the ready

>>724480837
The sequel was so bad I refunded it after the first chapter.

>>724480931
So reliant on source which is extremely easy to mod

>>724480931
Isn't it just the source engine for Bloodlines?
I'm not sure it has the same problems as Morrowwind Engine has

>>724480931
the engine wouldn't support that, creation engine is much better than everyone seems to think
Clan Quest Mod barely even functions with one additional hub as it is, you have to use console commands to bypass memory limits

>>724477781
I like Night Road and The Hunter CYOA. Werewolf game, however, was pretty meh. Did they have no budget to make more romance options besides a non-binary journalist (which is so disgustingly low-effort)

>>724479910
>can you elaborate on what made CoD so different
Because it was a completely new setting with a completely new rules and completely new lore. Some of the clans were similar-ish, but the whole thing was new. Again, Age of Sigmar.
It wasn't bad, actually, and I know a lot of people like Requiem, because it had some genuinely good ideas, but a lot of old Masquerade fans just wanted their Tremere and Tzimisce back.
And V5... is a mess. Everybody has a different opinion as to why, but IMO it's one of those "who is this for?" cases. Unlike Requiem, V5 takes place within the same setting as VtM 1e, 2e, Revised and V20, but it makes so many changes to the lore, everybody is confused. Newcomers have to sift through 4 editions of lore that is incomprehensible to them, while the old guard is just annoyed, because V5 keeps fucking with and retconning the established lore, more often than not for no good reason. And yeah, the new lore and the writing isn't really all that good. And then there is content. Unlike V20 that offered a metric fuckton of playstyles and options for your game, V5 essentially defaults to one playstyle (you are a young Anarch-aligned vampire with a weltschmerz) don't like it? Fuck off, because that's the only option you get. They wanted to streamline and simplify the game and the setting to appeal to the lowest common denominator. And they streamlined it so hard, people told Paradox to fuck off.
That's the gist of it.

>>724481118
>no budget
I don't know if any of those games had a budget to begin with

>>724481214
This post is accurate.

>>724481214
>Unlike V20 that offered a metric fuckton of playstyles and options for your game, V5 essentially defaults to one playstyle (you are a young Anarch-aligned vampire with a weltschmerz) don't like it? Fuck off, because that's the only option you get
Lmao this isn't true you fucking retard

>>724477781
Never endured them.

>>724481275
>>724481308
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST

>>724481118
>Werewolf game, however, was pretty meh. Did they have no budget to make more romance options besides a non-binary journalist (which is so disgustingly low-effort)
But there are? I remember romancing the lupine girl. Not that it makes much of a difference mind you. Romance in these games is pretty pointless.

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controversial nWoD opinions
>getting rid of malks was good (vampire madness is good, having an entire bloodline whose shtick is madness is not)
>covenants >>>>> the same boring camarilla/anarch/sabbat bullshit
>multiple vampire origin stories is way cooler
>the descent >>>> the fallen
>promethean and deviant should've been oWoD from the start, they fit the metaplot way more. replacing golems and gargoyles.
>better werewolf origin story, the forsaken in general was better (ignoring changing breeds)

>>724479192
>Werewolves in WoD kill and blow shit up
And everyone hates them for that. They constantly make more enemies which gives the wyrm more power either directly or by proxy.

>>724481308
It certainly was true at lthe aunch of the edition, it was the expected way for groups to play V5 it's why Thin-blood Alchemy became a thing or why the Comic series had a lot of time dedicated to Thin-bloods

>>724481553
>its like vtm without all the things that made vtm popular!

>>724481553
all true, every last word. Especially regarding werewolf, the sects vs covenants and demon the descent.

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>>724480937
>bon jovi tapes

>>724481553
Deviant was cool and should have recieved much more love, though I'm happy with what we got.

>>724481579
at the launch of the edition*

>>724481553
awful
just awful

>>724481579
>It certainly was true at lthe aunch of the edition
No it wasn't you dumb sack of shit. One of the first adventure modules was set up to let players join the camarilla, anarchs, or not-sabbat

>>724481308
Dude, you only got to play Camarilla years after the release, when the players started asking "can we play as something other than a fucking Anarch?".
And IIRC, you still don't have the rules for an Elder, or Paths other than Humanity. Not to mention no rules for Sabbat, because all that shit got axed.

>>724481579
Just because thinbloods have rules doesnt mean you must play as one or must play as anarch, are you retarded?

>>724481713
>One of the first adventure modules
So not at launch then

>>724481553
>having an entire bloodline whose shtick is madness
removing it idk but it was always stupid to force players to play a bloodline first and a character second

I loved Swansong, but its definitely not for everyone. Interactive moviegames like that are my guilty pleasure.

>>724481769
>you NEED to print a camarilla book for me to play as Camarilla

You've never played a TTRPG

>>724481553
not very savvy with the lore but in V5 is Dementation now just amalgam abilities between dominate and obfuscate?

>>724481907
Need to check it out eventually. Surprised it's not on sale right now considering all the other VTM ones are.

>>724478697
On one hand I'd like to redo some of the fabien stuff to check if there was anything I missed, but apparently there's already a fast travel mod out, but it's bound to keys, which is kind of retarded. I'd like to just click a waypoint on the map and just GO THERE if possible, so I can get a free refill on my disciplines as fabien and also skip the walkabouts.

>>724481713
Wasn't it Chicago by Night?
You know, this one book made by V20 people, that is incidentally the best book V5 has ever gotten?

>>724480449
Then V5 in itself had some major changes and the release issues...

It came out with 3 book, Core Rulebook, Camarilla and Anarch. It Core there were only 7 playable clans (the basic ones, Brujah, Gangrel, Tremere, Toreador, Nosferatu, Ventrue, Malkavian), Camarilla added Banu Haqim (renamed Assamites) that joined Camarilla and Anarch added The Ministry (renamed Followers of Set) that joined Anarchs. Books were so bad that they caused an incident with the government of Chechnya and were taken off the shelves and certain fragments were removed before re-releasing them. That caused White Wolf to be dismantled.

Next books were written by other studios. Mophidius Entertainment did Fall of London which got mixed reviews. Onyx Path Publishing (company that was doing CofD and WoD20) had campaigns for two V5 books. Both were pretty successful. Chicago by Night reintroduced Lasombra, this time as a Camarilla clan. Cults of the Blood Gods introduced Hecata, a clan made out of all death/necromancy oriented clans/bloodlines, so Giovanni, Cappadocian, Nagaraja, Samedi and some more. Both CoN and CotBG changes were pretty controversial, but books were pretty good and kickstarter goals gave us like 5 more smaller books available only in digital or print-on-demand, and they were also decent.

Then Paradox gave more power to their WoD team and they decided that they'll do things on their own now. They announced a Companion book that would reintroduce Tzimisce, Ravnos and Salubri and later down the line the Sabbat book. Companion was supposed to be a free book that would be updated constantly. It was a wet fart that got no update ever. Then the Sabbat book turned out to be a monster manual without options to play the Sabbat despite the fact that you could do that for the past 20+ years of VtM, but not in V5.

After that they released a bunch of other books, most of the shit or just mid at best. And that's not even taking into consideration H5 or W5.

>>724481308
It's completely true, they just backpedalled on it somewhat because of how much people hated it.

>>724482225
>Books were so bad that they caused an incident with the government of Chechnya
QRD

>>724480620
Actually hunger dice are an abomination meant to turn the game into improv theatre with almost no rolling and constant cheap drama of people losing their minds and murdering their loved ones and/or breaking the Masquerade because they rolled too well on a stealth roll. Literally the rules as written have you more likely to mess up a roll the more dice you have for it because it increases the chance for messy crits which are supposed to make you break the Masquerade, fail at the thing you just succeeded at or lose in some other way.

>>724479920
>Cuomo is competent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_COVID-19_nursing_home_scandal

>>724481553
>the descent >>>> the fallen
No. I want to play an actual biblical fallen angel, not a rogue computer program.

>>724481973
It's more about the Writer's intentions for the game.
To have a non-WoD example in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay second edition, there is a book called Nights Dark Masters, which provided lots of extra rules for Vampires, their minions and what they are all about in the WF setting, but it was very explicit that it wasn't a book about Creating Vampire PCs and gave reasons why.
You could have a Vampire PC, but it was not some of the Writers' intended for the game or normal play.
The same is true when it comes to V5, with no rules for Sabbat PCs in their own book, the writers don't want you to play Sabbat games.
You can homebrew it, but it's not the intention of the writers for them to occur.

>>724482340
IIRC, in one of the books (I think it was a Camarilla book), there was some lore that flat out stated that the Checnya cell of Camarilla is behind the Chechnya government that is responsible for the pogrom of gay people in the country.
Then the real life Chechnyan gov't politely asked Paradox to please, fucking elaborate what you had in mind. Then Paradox chickened out and nuked the whole book from the orbit.

>>724482435
Hunger dice fix the issue of hunger previously being ALL Improv theater (roleplaying) because it had no mechanics.

Also WoD has shitty combat, it's always been a role-playing heavy game.

V5 focuses on the personal horror of being a kindred so it makes sense. If it bothers you then you can house rule any part of it. But then again you've never played a TTRPG in your life.

>>724482725
I'm not talking about sabbat I'm talking about camarilla. If your takeaway from the V5 core book was that you couldn't play as camarilla then you're a fucking retard of the highest order

>>724482340
There were (or still are) gay purges in Chechnya. They wrote that it's a vampire ploy.

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>>724482725
>its about the writers intent
You mean the writers that said do whatever you want?

>>724477781
>visual novel games
Gaaaaay!

>>724482924
>There were (or still are) gay purges in Chechnya. They wrote that it's a vampire ploy.
What if it is though?

WHY do the writers hate Sabbat, though?

>>724482340
>chechnya starts persecuting their gays in real life
>the V5 cammy book states that the country is actually run by the camarilla and they're using the gay genocide as a cover for keeping a human farm/an excuse for disappearing people that get eaten

>>724483065
they are Chuds

>>724480931
There were some guys working on one back in 2015 but it got shut down by CCP (Eve Online company, not the Chinese) because they misunderstood the project as guys going to sell a remake of VTMB instead of it being a mod for the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-6vcw7EOX8

>>724481093
>>724481105
OpenMW is basically a recreation of Morrowind's game engine to run the game stably on. Anon wants some guys to recreate VTMB's game engine to run VTMB stably on, basically ripping out all of the engine issues and bugs right from the root and opening a lot of new possibilities for modders.

>>724483065
Because evil ancient vampires are not cool, anon.

>>724483065
Sabbat were always supposed to be the antagonistic vampire faction.

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>>724477781
I wish there was some way to change the female protag to a male. I can't self insert as a woman in a cyoa game.

>>724478273
Good thing that they're listening to the complaints. Still, I expect nothing on the level of Cyberpunk 2.0. I doubt they will revamp (heh) the clan skills, side quests, add new endings (why isn't there a Ryong/Safia ending or a way to save them is beyond me), or skill checks. But at least they're trying.

>>724477781
>Thoughts on the cyoa
No ciri
No build

>>724483150
The CYOA games let you pick your gender retard

>>724483112
They should try again now that Paradox owns the brand. They already greenlit a fan project for Open Vic2

>>724483150
>new endings
does it even matter? all the endings are just powerpoint slideshows woop de frickng doo

>>724483210
Coterie and Shadows doesn't.

>>724483112
Couldn't you just run Bloodlines on a more up-to-date version of the source engine?

>>724483050
Removing those paragraphs would protect the Masquerade.

>>724483324
Those are VNs not the CYOA games.

>>724483146
That's why they released like 4 books about playing them.

>>724483065
No one actually cares about the Sabbat except secondaries.

>>724479016
Take the Yuri pill and you'll always win

>>724483331
Bloodlines was made on an unfinished version of the source engine.

>>724483476
The other way around. The Sabbat is the soul of VtM. People that never read a VtM book or know the setting only from Bloodlines don't care about the Sabbat.

>>724483065
There's something I refer to as "reddit morality" where people will refuse to play villians in games etc because "it makes them feel icky." They have a very immature, black and white sense of right and wrong and basically deny having any darker impulses AT ALL, so even playing a bad guy in pretend would imply that they could EVER possibly do bad things, which they cant because they're good people and good people only do good things.
If you extend this logically to the idea of a bunch of people repressing their jungian shadow and just completely in denial about the complex nature of humanity you'll notice the results in those communities come out in weird ways - being almost sadistically cruel to acceptable targets (going into detail about the creative ways they would torture pedos and animal abusers, etc), the whole thing about how if you have different opinions from then you're ontologically evil, etc.

>>724483534
But could you run Bloodlines on a newer version of it?

>>724483324
Not cyoas and Coteries has 2 male and 1 female protagonists to choose from.

>>724483621
>The Sabbat is the soul of VtM.
Lmfao

>>724483658
but it's a game about playing vampires, they're all basically "evil"

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>>724483476
I CARE ABOUT SABBAT
Yes, I know Lucita keeps changing her mind every week whether she's Sabbat or not, but that's beside the point.

>>724483621
The sabbat are just chaotic evil loons who would end up killing off vampires for good over their violence and greed

>>724483476
t. Antediluvian

>>724483739
From a d&d perspective the camarilla and most vampires are lawful evil since they’re trying to cling to what humanity is left. The sabbat are chaotic evil who just want to trash everything

>>724483331
If enough people with enough technical skill spent enough time on it, yes. But that's hard to find for something like this. Most mods of that sort are really just 1-2 really dedicated hyper autists, and modding in general has changed to be centered around discords and codes of conduct and community managers and a dozen troons getting praised endlessly without releasing anything, it just doesn't happen now.

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>>724483476

explain to me how diablerizing the ancients and openly ruling over kine is 'evil' without sounding like a pansy

>>724483918
How about you explain why you're 40 and still live with your mom

>>724483820
>tell me you haven't read any Sabbat book without telling me you haven't read any Sabbat book

>>724483979
what even set you off? are you a v5 writer?

>>724483150
>why isn't there a Ryong/Safia ending
Ryong maybe because there's really ZERO reason to kill her, she pretty much did nothing wrong and was just Lou's domination doll, but Safia was fucking off the rez for a while, she literally states the entire plan with the nomad took DECADES of work to pull off. there's nothing to save there, and her snapping out of it and being fine and happy after she's turned herself in an "end of event horizon" naked blood witch would be such a ridiculous asspull it would almost be insulting.

>>724484007
It takes a special kind of retard to honestly try to say Sabbat arent the chaotic evil faction

>>724483918
Because the SI would destroy the Kindred if they tried their "let's rule" Schick. Even the retard Anarchs realize the Masquerade is necessary for Kindred survival.

>>724483739
There's a difference between the romanticized vampire who skulks the night, politicking with his kindred and feeding on the beautiful- And a vampire cult that likes making people into chairs. Thus why we have Lestat, Edward Cullen and so on. Women and men are down for Lacroix and Jeanette. A far smaller percentile are down for Andrei.

>>724478273
The problem with "Phyre" is her face, not the hairstyles or eye colors.

>>724483739
if you were to ever happen to encounter the kind of person I'm talking about and asked them about their character, I am POSITIVE that they would have a litany of excuses as to how they're not actually a BAD vampire and how they never drink someone dry unless they're a bad person or deserve it or whatever) and everything they've ever done is completely justifiable and morally okay.

>>724483918
It's not evil. It just wouldn't work. They completely failed with Ravnos alone and from what we know of the Tremere and Salubri, it seems like that didn't work the way they wanted it to either. Besides all it takes is Caine deciding he dislikes it and everything goes to hell.

>>724484201
If they succeeded in their objective of diablerizing all the antideluvians, they'd probably have the power to pull it off to be fair. The old Gehenna scenario's showed how helpless mankind was against the oldest boyo's.

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It was always going to be an uphill struggle to make a modern VTMB.

A big reason is that these last 10 years or so Americans have become deeply and alarmingly retarded; to an outrageous degree. The chances that any particular team will understand what made the original so good is very, very low. Forget about where to go from there. That's why we basically got derivative bioshock infinite type slop. Furthermore Americans have become cruel and selfish in their ignorance, so the chances that they'll make a decent story with good characters or any sort of understanding of humor, nuance and tone is out the window since these take a degree of sensitivity and understanding of your fellow man. Americans can still make beautiful art but as a whole they no longer understand people at all and so any work that attempts to feels very empty.

The culture around this shit has changed too. Gen X type misfits and freaks that was prevalent in the 90's and was channeled into the original game does exist anymore; replaced by incoherent American culture war gibberish and mental illness.

On a deeper level the vibes just dont exist anymore. I dont know if people will understand what i mean but when i was younger a fast moving night sky over a city surrounded by lights and tall buildings was deeply beautiful and had a special place in my heart but now that's been replaced with empty nonsense and i think that's true for most people.

>>724484383
Who cares. The rulebooks state over and over that in vtm you are a monster who preys on people and slowly loses your humanity. There's degrees to it though, someone who abides by the masquerade and survives on blood packs or a willing blood doll is obviously different from someone who thinks they should rule over mortals and routinely drinks people dry

>>724484625
>im a retard hurrrrr

>I need to go search the Glacier's basement
>but first I have to talk to the faggot Noseratu
>who wants me to go to three different points on the map very far apart from each other
>and every point makes me go across the map once I reach it
>there's no combat or traversal or anything btw, just walking back and forth

Genuinely, it should be legal to break into these devs' houses and murder them.

>>724484625
You're a stupid larping zoomer, those gen x groups were full of LGB people

>new vtm cyoa game
>you're a hobo hunter
lmfao

>>724484906
Its not vtm its htr

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>>724484625
>words words muh nostalgia
nostalgia is a coping mechanism for being unable to move on in your life

>>724484906
what did the hobos do?

>>724484971
have blood

>>724484950
I suppose it's not the same thing but you know what I mean
>>724484971
You are a hobo hunting thinbloods.

I don't really identify with any of the clans and I'd rather be a human hunting the supernatural

>>724484642
I'm just trying to explain a mindset that I've come across in my experiences that would explain that shit.

>>724485068
INHERIT THE EARTH!

>>724480931
While not the same thing, a project to port Bloodlines into a newer version of Source was being worked on until it got hit with a Cease & Desist. It looked promising, too.

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>>724485068
they made a game for that around the same time, it was pretty decent, but then it's a game where you grab four friends around a console and fuck a horde of monsters up, so that's gonna be fun as fuck regardless of overall game quality.

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>>724481105
OpenMW is not what you think it is. It's a full ass open source recreation of the Morrowind engine.

>>724477781
>visual novel games
i can't imagine sitting in front of my computer and pressing the next button for two hours and letting a "WOW AWESOME" every now and then.
i have better shit to do with my time, like maybe read and actually book smoking a pipe

>>724483331
It's possible but Bloodlines had a lot of custom modifications to their version of Source and the engine lacks a lot of documentation, so it might be better to just start fresh in something like Unity

V20 Hunters Hunted is legit good, so I don't know what your problem is, guys.
Hey, at least the Hunters get to have sex.

>>724485290
>and actually book

>>724484873
I never mentioned their secxuality, it's the culture that was completely different. I'm in my mid 30's. Gay dudes around my age are usually cool ass dudes. They're usually funny as fuck and have an attitude that's very non judgemental. Younger gays are the complete opposite; judgy, humorless cunts. Over time some of these older dudes have become lib scolds too but in general there's a generational difference in how these people are that has nothing to do with their gayness.

>>724485290
>i have better shit to do with my time
sure seems like it buddy

>>724484081
They are, but that doesn't mean that they aren't deep or you can't do anything interesting with them.

Fiction if full of chaotic evil factions that people love to play and write stories about. Chaos in Warhammer (both Fantasy and 40k version). Drow in DnD.

The Sabbat has tons of inner politics, various factions, different world views and goals. Paths of Enlightenment, Code of Milan, various Rites, loyalty to your Pack, Black Hand, Sabbat Inquisition, infiltration by True Black Hand or Baali or other infernalists...

The game feels very shallow without them. That's why they reintroduced them in V5. That's why they tried to elevate the Church of Caine (sorta Sabbat Lite) to the Sect status. The game is shit with just the Camarilla vs. Anarchs.

>>724484739
yeah that part of the Fabien experience was EXCEPTIONALLY padded.
The only way it could be more annoying would be if after you give your report Tolly would just be like
>"By the way sugartits, I actually already knew all that, I just felt like giving you a hard time. toooodles~"

>>724485564
I have a gay racist uncle who beat up a bunch of black guys and got stabbed like 20 times, but he lived and is now a wheelchair gay (hotwheels)

>>724485564
mid 40s here, and I get what you mean. I remember in highschool there were lesbians that were fucking bros and would talk shit with their guy friends about how they were trying to fuck the hot substitute english teacher and shit. You're not gonna see that shit now.

>>724477781
They're kind of good but you'll never really get a perfect game unfortunately
Night Road:
>Good game, great reactivity, tracks inventory well and is engaging
>a few annoying characters, end segment feels on rails and the lore and mechanic changes from old to V5 kind of blow
Parliament:
>cool politics simulator to actually RP a more established character
>not as reactive as NR
Book of Hungry Names (WtA):
>Kyle's best work, characters don't annoy you
>Pretty reactive, plot is engaging and genuinely pretty good use of W5
>old to W5 changes are more lore and setting changes than raw mechanics so it's not as bad
>extremely long at 1.6 mil before DLC and like 2.2 after so hard to replay
>woofshit not for everyone obviously
Hunter games:
>putting them all together because they suffer from the same mechanical and lore shifts of H5 away from higher power games
>All some variant of [splat] is misunderstood except for an instance or two
>well written enough generally but Kyle's games are better written
>shortish
Coteries:
>apparently best of the new york trilogy
Out for Blood:
>not a vampire game, it's H5 in a vampire skinsuit
I don't think any of them are bad but there's not really a perfect game

>>724484071
I do think they blew it with Safia, because she could've been a much more interesting character. Instead of turning her into this frothing at the mouth Chaos worshipper (because she isn't a Sabbat member, she's a fucking Chaos worshipper), they could've just made it that her feelings for Phyre are genuine. And she legitimately considers Phyre her friend or even a lover and until the very end is utterly convinced that Phyre is going to understand her and help her with her batshit scheme. Then you'd have this final confrontation between two people who geniunely like or even love each other, but their ideologies are so incompatible, they have you fight it out.
IMO, that would be more interesting than some crazy witch going MWAHAHAHAHAHA.

>>724485712
I heard it in his faggot accent and now I am mad.

>>724478273
>In future updates, we’re looking at including features such as an FOV slider, new save game options, custom difficulty settings that include the ability to play only Phyre’s side of the story on your second playthrough, as well as additional customization options.
Better not take months....

>>724478713
>>724479110
>Super powered angry holy furries of Earth
>default state is fuck around and find out
>companies are genuine world ending doom cults
>werewolves aren't actually human and never were so dealing with the human aspects of the setting is interesting
They're a more combat-orientated splat so Werewolf is generally much higher action than say Vampire or Hunter, and they're pretty OP in combat
They just end up fighting literal manmade abominations like dudes who are guns, entropy spirits, kill teams with helicopters and all of that. It's pretty cool but also hard to get into because
>ecoterrorism
>furry

>>724486195
I'm almost done with the game why are they shipping an incomplete game? Fucking morons.

>>724486069
>they could've just made it that her feelings for Phyre are genuine. And she legitimately considers Phyre her friend or even a lover and until the very end is utterly convinced that Phyre is going to understand her and help her with her batshit scheme. Then you'd have this final confrontation between two people who geniunely like or even love each other, but their ideologies are so incompatible, they have you fight it out.
I would have preferred this because it would be more fertile grounds for my lesbian fanfics

>>724485208
Eh, H5 is a bit too street level for what anon wants I think. Old reckoning or vigil is probably better to run

>>724484906
>>724485056
Hobo hunter is actually pretty kino but
>thinbloods
Biggest mistake of V5, it's not that engaging. I remember seeing there's at least other splats in there too like a ghost or some shit though

>changeling has entered the thread
You guys are boring.
>changeling has left the thread

>>724486352
Paradox wanted it done and the game already been delayed for years at this point

Why did Gideon even go to confront Lou?
>waaahhh she killed some other high ranking vampires to rule alone
Yeah no shit that's what a prince does

>>724484625
>Americans
Paradox is a Swedish company and TCR is from the UK, there's no American hands at work here other than a liberal writer or two

>>724486509
Blackmail. He may not have even really confronted her, just talked to her and she got the impression he knew, and considered it a confrontation when it wasn't. He comes off sane but he's still Malkavian, no telling what he said.

>you have to bully hobos to get the good blood
feels bad man

>>724486509
just Malkavian things

>>724486462
>Biggest mistake of V5
Thinbloods were a thing since Revised, actually.
Also, just play the X20 splatlilne. It has werewolves, wraiths, mages and fucking elves.

>>724486542
Sweden is more leftist and liberal than the US.

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There will never ever be a game centered around the Sabbat, where you go through a deep existential discovery of self and tap into the true nature of being a vampire, which is integrating the beast.

The Sabbat with their organization built like a dark death cult version of Catholicism with an anti-pope and bishops, the ones who lean into the supernatural nature of WoD and the mythologies of the bible and the antediluvians, the ones who shaved off their humanity and embrace the idea of being predators and monsters instead of parasites like the Camarilla, seekers of transcendence and Golconda, and embrace a dark enlightenment understanding that they are evil and damned is so fucking cool bros.

I'm surprised Phyre didn't put all these faggots in their place. All these younglings trying to talk shit to an Elder and boss him around like he's some newborn punk

>>724486607
I'm aware they've always been there but V5 puts a very large focus on them to the point that I think it detracts from the actual setting and just uses thinbloods so people can feel victimized. I prefer V20 also but any modern game will need to use V5 as a baseline

>>724486496
They had so much time, wtf are they doing? Oh wait half their team is female, that explains it

>>724486686
the mark and the wards all over the city have them severely weakened or they would have, you still show up and clean house within a week anyways

>>724486624
Well yeah but that's not the point of the first post

>>724486654
There is no "integrating the beast," if you fall to the beast that's it, you're a wight.

>another secondary thinks the sabbat matters beyond being bad guys for the camarilla

>>724486686
I was fine with Tolly being an annoying faggot, but the character died for me when he bossed Phyre around
>hey you fucking retard go get the thing from the police station, hop to it

>>724486780
well they would matter if the writers weren't afraid of letting them matter
they are far more interesting to rp than the other sects

>>724486701
It makes sense when the 16th gen is so diluted that theyre all thinbloods. Anyway they still barely play a role in VTMB2 and your table can just not use them if you play the TTRPG

>>724486780
The Sabbat have their own interesting perspective on personal freedoms versus safety in tyranny, which can be the basis for a good story. It's just not a story that typically ends well. Sometimes people like that type of story, RDR actually used that as a central theme

>>724486875
Disagree. What made VtM so popular was Camarilla politicking and the Masquerade.

>>724486780
Do the werewolf guys fall to the beast? Since 90% of their gameplay is becoming a big killing machine

>>724486758
No, but seriously, between the blood mark, the blood wards and the blood curse, how thick do you think Phyre has to be not to figure out immediately that the Tremere are involved?
Oh, right, Safia told him they are not involved, and she's so sweet and nice. Nevermind then.

All they need to do for now is make side quests fucking matter and release mod tools. People have mention the masquerade meter can probably be modded

>>724486907
Yeah but they're a big focus of the new Huntard game, I just think the whole Beckoning thing and Vampire blood dilution happened way too fast relative to the setting so now we're in this limbo were Vampire's setting is a shell of it's former-self and is in basically the same type of mood as old werewolf with the
>everything is fucked up and the end is coming
I'm also not a fan of W5 changing the setting to be instead "We fucked up and it's already over lol"

>>724487014
Don't forget that Fabien told him 6 times that she's above suspicion, which he doesn't do for any other character
BAFTA-winning writing

>>724486996
No, the Beast is the Vampire-specific thing.
Werewolves being murderhobo retards is actually sanctioned by Gaia itself.

>>724486996
Only Vampires really have "the beast" as it's a part of their blood and their Caine given curse to be an undead predator. Werewolves can frenzy and go berserk but they don't lose themselves emotionally and spiritually being mass murderers. They just get fucked up by more reasonable wolves or hunters or themselves instead

>>724486996
They have equivalents. They can succumb to their rage and become frenzied. They can enter a perpetually frenzied state called hauglosk, or they can fall into haranos, which is a despairing state at their failure to protect Gaia.

>>724486069
>Chaos worshipper
I wouldnt even go that far, she was just driven batshit insane with the desire for revenge, and maybe also her century long-tortured bf in her head (who was himself already starting out at some baseline of crazy), the latter of which would make a great deal of sense but wasnt remotely touched on. Having her be distracted and detached after you kill Gideon, and knowing you did before you told her, and maybe even being a little more cold and distant with you, would have been a nice touch.

>>724487014
If you're a person of good moral character, Phyre is a Tremere also. A Tremere being involved may not necessarily mean that the first Tremere you meet is involved, for all you know it is Goratrix, Mrs. Thorne, some antitribu working with the Sabbat (which it ends up being sort of), etc.

I last played 2 like 3 days ago, stopped when I got to the part where Fabien has to ask a few of the primarchs about their secrets cause Tolly won't let him past the elevator
How close to the end am I? I can maybe stomach another Fabien section, but definitely not 2

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Naked blood witch Safia was a good touch

>>724487213
>she was just driven batshit insane
she and Gideon are blood bound, and drinking Malkavian blood like that probably doesn't do good things for you

>>724487203
>hauglosk
wtf kinda language is that from

>>724487280
I agree with the theory that this was a totally a separate character pretty late in development, it doesn't even look like her. "Camile" or something like that, a Tzimisce.

>>724487240
Okay now explain why my Tremere Phyre couldn't follow up on it after saying I will research the documents myself and Safia goes "n-no please don't I will do it you have so much to do haha"

>>724487364
Probably mangled Bengali because that's where haranos came from

>>724487393
And the shaping of the mutant vampire things whose name escapes me, that feels more tzimisce. Maybe Safia was just lying about being a Tremere, after all she isn’t the one who teaches you

>>724487071
>People have mention the masquerade meter can probably be modded
yeah probably very easy to make it increase much faster so you get killed for something like feeding in public

>>724487551
>vampires lying about their clan
Shut the fuck up shill

>>724487431
>now explain why
Because it's a video game and not an LLM so you can't handle every possible scenario, the same reason you can't get in a car and drive to Mexico when LaCroix sends you to the Elizabeth Dane, every game ever made is going to funnel you along a path. If you want an earnest head canon, it's pretty easy to say "she seems to know her stuff, and I have other leads to work right now"

>>724487309
>she and Gideon are blood bound
I thought all the Tremere blood bonds got cut once the Pyramid fell. Not that I am that versed in V5 bullshit.

>>724487014
Apparently according to Fletcher the anarch symbols you were cleaning up also may have bound HIM in seattle as well, so at least that end of the thaumaturgy is a bit more common, especially since there are no specific tremere anarchs mentiond.
Or maybe he was an earlier proof-of-concept of safira's for the warding, and she just decided to fuck with him specifically for some reason? I mean he's a prick but I dont remember him talking shit on her or the two of them ever interacting.

>>724487596
S*lubri do it all the time. Or they did.

>>724487604
It's an RPG, you're supposed to handle very obvious scenarios as the dev. Why even give me the option to say I will do it if I can't?
I hate you so much, shillnigger
Tell me one reason why TCR included dialogue options at all

>>724487619
Their bonds to each other enforcing the pyramid got weakened and in most cases severed. That doesn't mean they can't be bonded, or that Safia drinking Malkavian blood a century before the SI attacked the prime chantry wouldn't have had an impact.

>>724487596
It’s my headcanon dickhead

>>724487697
>you're supposed to handle very obvious scenarios as the dev
Sounds like they did, you just want to be 4chins about it.

i masturbated to jeanette a few times when i was younger and had a porn blocker on the family computer

>>724487803
>didn't answer why there are dialogue options that don't do anything
Thanks for conceding

>>724487619
The Pyramid didn't actually fall
but most Tremere aren't actively blood bound to each other in the pyramid. Gideon and Safia aren't in the same clan though I think it was just Gideon somehow rizzing Safia

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>>724487551
IIRC, those Unbirthed or whatever (again V5 is not my forte) are not a Tzimisce-specific thing, they are just generic Sabbat minions.
Also, when it comes to creating horrifying monstrosities, the Tremere are in the league of their own. Apparently, Tzimisce even stole a bunch of monster "designs" from Tremere, because they liked the creativity on display.

Who is Silky's secret forest friend? A werewold?

>>724487309
sidenote about gideon - I was so FUCKING certain he was being played by Jason Alexander that I had to go look him up, and no it's some fucking scottish dude I've never heard of. it's almost like he was doing an impression.

>>724487932
butt buddy

Okay all this shit about Safia being suspicious and all and Phyre not being able to connect the obvious dots is all well and good
But why does she suddenly call you my love? That would get anyone to immediately be suspicious of you

>>724487584
Or have it slowly increase throughout the game if you get caught and then if it gets too high either you’re constantly harassed by cops or just a straight up game over

>>724487857
Well, it did, until they realized that piece of v5 lore was a mistake and reconned it

>>724487857
I know, I am just rolling with the punches.

>>724487275
you're pretty close, I think that's the last big Fabien section

>>724487932
probably a Gangral

>>724488023
Thank fucking god. There better be something interesting about at least one of these faggots I have to talk to

>>724487584
People are biting people on the street every day in Seattle. It's your fault for playing on Easy anyway, you can't get away with that shit on hard mode ya little shitlicker

>>724488000
>>724488014
Good riddance but flip flopping like that is rather cringe also. At this point the role of the Tremere is to just the punching bag of writers

>>724488076
Stop fucking lying about the goddamn masquerade mechanic, what is wrong with you? Difficulty doesn't influence it at all, you just feed and then run away cause it only barely fills up to red

>>724487941
He's played by Alec Newman.
You know, Paul Atreides from that 2000's Dune show, Sebastian from DA2 and you know, fucking Adam Smasher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce5as8CrOR4

>>724488130
You can get away with that if there's like 1-2 hobos in the alley, not on the street or in front of the police you lying little bitch

Anyone tried this mod yet?

https://www.nexusmods.com/vtmbloodlines2/mods/42

>>724488026
Probably, I don't think werewolves would be open to befriending Vampires generally. Lou claims to have killed them all too

What would be the best way to handle the Masquerade in a game? Have minor and major Masquerade breaches, major resulting in a game over and minor being a less severe punishment but you can undo them yourself with cloud memory or killing them ect?

>>724487965
because she's crazy (literally) and obsessive

>>724488181
yes you can, you hide on the roof for 30 seconds and everyone forgets

>>724488245
You're right, werewolves fucking hate vampires but Lou is bullshitting

>>724488362
The point is that the bar will fill all the way up if you actually do that in front of more than 1-2 nonpolice before you finish feeding. play the game, I don't care what your favorite streamer said they're fucking wrong

>>724488278
I like how it was in the first game. I think the meter slowly rising and once it hits max game over for 2 would be a good change by the devs or a mod

>>724488368
I wonder why though, you'd think Vampires would generally be more Weaver-aligned but I wouldn't expect wolves to care also

>>724481446
I must have missed that.

>>724487840
>didn't answer
I did, you just aren't good at reading. It's the same reason you can refuse to help LaCroix, only to be dominated and forced to help him anyways - all games are on rails. There is no game on Earth that doesn't funnel you along the intended path, and there probably won't be. That's just the way it is.

>>724488430
yes we never said it didnt fill up to red quickly, it's when it goes past red and you are killed is whats too slow. you should be killed as soon as it turns red

>>724488094
Eh, they kinda set that up waaaaaaay back when in Beckett's Jyhad Diary and that's V20 territory. With the upper echelons of the Tremere Pyramid starting to realize that the Lord Tremere they are serving is not Lord Tremere at all, the actual Lord Tremere has transferred his consciousness somewhere else and that the entire Council of Seven might be compromised by what they can only assume is Saulot.
Lord Tremere then blowing up the Vienna Chantry to "clear the air" and get rid of Saulot once and for all isn't all that big of a stretch.

>>724488362
>hide on the roof for 30 seconds and everyone forgets
Not true at all. Even after the bar empties, if you return to that area too soon then people will recognize you. They'll run to the police, or if it's a cop, they'll just open fire immediately.

>>724488278
>>724488476
First game is the ideal, small breaches only minorly come close to breaking the masquerade and cause Hunters to spawn in levels or missions, maybe a major breach causes more damage
Could even have a cool meta moment where the SI shows up and the Masquerade bar they use or whatever immediately jumps to the highest value

>>724487965
She starts calling me your love after I've been flirting with her consistently, so I figured it was working and she was trying to get her pussy ate. I guess it's more jarring if you're more negative towards her.

>>724488523
That’s why i want a slow filling meter that rises throughout the game depending on actions so it’s kinda like in 1

>>724488627
I have literally only told her off at every opportunity

>>724488492
Vampires are creatures of the Wyrm. Not that any of them even care about what to them is the Garou's hippy religion

>>724488430
Stop lying about basic game mechanics

>>724487596
It's somewhat common. Salubri do it. Baali do it. Pink did it in VtM Redemption. It's not uncommon for Sabbat agents to infiltrate Camarilla posing as a different clan.

>>724488430
Right.

>>724488748
Wrong.

>>724488752
have Baali ever shown up in a VtM Game?

>>724488748
Play the game before you argue about the mechanics. Boot it up right now, go onto a crowded street, and start feeding. See what happens. You can get away with it if there's almost nobody, but not in front of the police or more than about 2 people. Also, it's just more fun to do it correctly and hidden rather than trying to cheese the system

>>724488587
that's if it's still on yellow and the mask is flashing, but it takes seconds to go back to green

>>724488901
>See what happens
Police shoot you so you run to the rooftops and 30 seconds later everything is fine. That's not how breaking the masquerade should work

>>724488752
>It's not uncommon for Sabbat agents to infiltrate Camarilla posing as a different clan.
The only thing that makes me think she wouldn’t be a tzimisce is wasn’t always with the sabbat but who knows

>>724488903
I'm pretty sure they've noticed me after the bar was already empty, but I think they were on alert because I was throwing ghouls from the rooftops in the area where I got caught feeding.

>>724488973
the bar will fill all the way up, you can't run, you die. shut the fuck up

>>724488879
No. Baali are one of those "literal who" clans.
They are also exceedingly rare even on tabletop. Because you only pull them out of your ass if you want your players to deal with something even worse and more batshit than Sabbat. And Sabbat is usually enough.

>>724488219
no but it looks interesting, I didn't know there were mods for this game yet. Seems good, thanks

>>724489029
probably would have worked well for Bloodlines 2 then, instead of the Sabbat then

>>724479682
Hunter: The Reckoning never ever.

>>724488973
If the bar is almost full and you start running up a wall in front of everyone, it will finish filling up and you die. Why lie about this stuff when anyone who has played the game knows you're just saying shit?

>>724488879
Nah, they were too extreme. Recent V5 book reintroduced them, but now they're no a separate bloodline but an umbrella term for a vampire that tried summoning a blood demon, failed and got possessed in the process. Or some other shit like that...

>>724489020
>the bar will fill all the way up, you can't run, you die. shut the fuck up
no you don't lmao, it fills up so slowly once it hits red that you can vampiric sprint, double jump, glide and use powers for a good while before you are actually killed

>>724489091
Seems like people are determined to make something out of this, i hope it continues. Thankfully vtmb1 gave people a good amount of experience modding

>>724488627
>>724488660
Even if you are flirting with her consistently, the entire "MY LOVE" thing feels jarring as well and comes out of left field.

I remember when she called me "MY LOVE" at her lab, and I thought I was forced into a relationship. I think it's meant to feel jarring due to the whole "mind warp" thing she had planned.

>>724488979
My issue is that - good luck trying to pose as a fucking Tremere of all clans. Unless Safia was replaced relatively recently, the Pyramid would've immediately spotted the imposter. Because the Tremere are really fucking good at weeding out outliers and imposters, because they continued survival depends on it.

>>724488973
>Police shoot you
This happens on initial breech, when it fills up entirely you get staked and die, and it fills up faster when you're actively breaching in front of multiple people. You're just repeating hearsay.

>>724489150
We got some Hunter games that apparently were well received and had good sales, shame we probably won't get one but Half-life and Red Dead prove that story-based shooters have an audience

>>724489253
Same, I think there's a lot of potential and it's already solid.

>>724489480
>when it fills up entirely you get staked and die
Yes I know, what I'm saying is it takes so long and you can actively use your powers a lot before that actually happens. and then once they all forget it's like nothing happened. It's a shit masquerade mechanic if people so quickly forget the guy that was double jumping, gliding and running at the speed of a car

>>724488368
Lou is pretty fucking impulsive and more than a little stupid based on her recommendations with the IAO (and the anarchs, and pretty much everyone else) So I imagine they had a werewolf clan active nearby, she did a big huge show of force and killed someone important (or who she thought was important), and declared victory regardless of the actual long term results or however many bodies she had to throw at the wolves to actually land a hit.
>>724488245
One of the main commandments for garou is "Combat the Wyrm Wherever it Dwells and Whenever it Breeds," and they consider vamps agents of the wyrm (though personally I think they're probably more weaver than wyrm since they may be walking corpses but they're also in eternal stasis and are almost universally metropolitan and have been since the second fucking generation), so it's unlikely, but not impossible, or even really unheard of. Pretty sure that one comic with the brujah sherrif woman who ended up prince of Minneapolis–Saint Paul ended up in a begrudging alliance with the local wolves, but they also more or less immediately ripped apart the gangrel thin-blood she originally sent as an envoy

Does a ghoul even have the strength to rip a vampire's head off?

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I kind of enjoy walking around the city, I think they did a good job with the atmosphere. It's a pity you're so motivated to travel by flying across nondescript rooftops 90% of the time and so you miss everything.

>>724489629
it's Seattle, in a blizzard, in the middle of the night. Why bitch about the game being too easy while you're actively trying to cheese it?

>>724489702
ya if they drink the orange protion

Does the game have different endings? How many?

>>724489150
Hunters Hunted>Hunter: the Reckoning.
I get what they were trying to do with the Imbued, but it just doesn't land with me. Playing as a regular underpowered human forced to face all the horrors that bump in the night is way more kino.
Suddenly, a low-tier Tzimisce szlachta is a hefty and nightmarish challenge. And then you realize this monster had an owner.

>>724489729
what the fuck are you talking about? I'm not trying to cheese it. If the police are shooting at me for displaying supernatural powers, and then they forget less than a minute later and I can do this multiple times throughout the whole game then that's a shit Masquerade mechanic.

>>724489818
6 endings, but they're not that different. Different in the long term, but you don't really get many details

>>724489629
>what I'm saying is it takes so long
I know, but that's incorrect. It takes so long when you're in an alley and a single hobo catches you mid-feed. It fills at a very different rate in the middle of the street.

>and then once they all forget it's like nothing happened
That also is just part of video games. I can shoot up fifty cops in Santa Monica, hide in a sewer for less than a minute, and the remaining cops will leave me be when a person with the exact description as the mass cop killer emerges from a sewer and starts walking around.

>>724489293
derangement hinting at her lack of humanity

>>724489926
>and then they forget less than a minute later
wrong. the bar will turn back to red if you come back too soon.

why lie? why are you doing this? just making shit up to get mad about?

>>724489653
IIRC, the only vampire clan that the werewolves kinda-sorta-maybe tolerate are the Gangrel. Not because they like them, mind you, but because the minutae of their clan confuses the Garou.
>Is Ennoia an avatar of Gaia? Is she not? You know, what, fuck it, nevermind, let's just leave them alone, because my head starts to hurt.

>>724488219
>most of the mods are more hairstyles for femPhyre and sexy dresses
are women making mods these days?

>>724490009
>come back too soon
yeah and the time you have to wait is like 30 seconds to a minute for it to completely empty

>>724489728
should have come out later in the year desu, the snow and christmas decor really give it a late winter vibe. Bloodlines 1 is an autumn game to be sure, 2 is deep winter.

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Are they just a cooler, and edgier, Ventrue?

>>724489824
yeah but i like the idea of someone that believes in god so hard that they get super speed and can smite monsters.

>>724490162
Sorta, yeah, and religious in some kind of way.

>>724489020
>the bar will fill all the way up, you can't run, you die. shut the fuck up
It doesn't
>>724489186
>If the bar is almost full
It won't be
>>724489480
>when it fills up
Won't happen

https://streamable.com/s9viu3

>>724489564
The story, vibe and combat are passable enough with some advancements they’ll be really good. What we need are a fix to the masquerade meter, some kind of stat increases and most importantly side quests. Right now side quests are easily the shittiest aspect of the game

>>724489728
There's nothing really happening at the street level anyway so it's not like you're missing much beyond soaking in the atmosphere.

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Does VtM/WoD have any good tie in media like how DnD has a load of books (in varying qualities)?

>>724490238
>ends feeding
>single hobo looking at you
Yeah, that's what I said. If you're complaining that people don't notice you breaching when they're turned the other way, I think that's on purpose.

>>724490238
>only 1-2 people actually noticed
>it was a quick feed, not one of the long ones for sanguine/etc blood
If that's what you've been talking about then maybe we've misunderstood each other. I'm talking about when you feed from the emotional people and the camera has to circle all the way around to get the full dose

https://www.nexusmods.com/vtmbloodlines2/mods/87

hairy tremere women confirmed

>>724489976
Speaking of humanity - are the high humanity elders even viable? How rare are those individuals? Because IIRC, the older you get, the more detached you become.
I tried asking on /tg/ and they told me to fuck off.

>>724490351
Not really. Some novellas and comics here and there. You could watch people's. TTRPG chronicles on YouTube

>>724490351
Seconding the question, I want some good vampire media to read

>>724490653
There are vampires in Civilization 4

>>724490351
WoD used to have tons of books.
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Fiction

Books, comics, erotic novel, action figures, tv series. VtM (and whole WoD to a lesser extent) was a big thing. They reprint some of them and you can get it on Amazon or possibly other places.

>>724489293
I get it in that she had it in her head that you would be New and Improved Gideon for literal years before she even had access to your body, but she goes "my-uh,. phyre" once and then it was IMMEDIATELY "my love" this and that, and not only does no one else (but Fabien) even comment on it, you only get an "stop calling me that" option like the fucking EIGHTH time she's done it. Have the first time it fully slips out be embarrassing for her, have Tolly snicker when she says it, make Ms T. rib you about it when you come into the shop, fucking something.

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>>724490653
>I want some good vampire media to read
Check out Anne Rice's Interview with the Vampire series. It's the foundation of which VtM was based on.

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>>724490502
Good

>>724490162
if by cooler and edgier you mean dumber and lamer then yes absolutely. but also no because they are much less organized and don't have a fairly cohesive clan culture like the Ventrue do.

>>724490819
>the movie
gayest non-gay thing I've ever seen. Why are vampires always such fluffy ponces?

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>>724490351
They do have plenty of novels and comicbooks. Not to the extent of D&D but they are there.
As for the quality - I legit liked the Clan Novel Saga. Some think it's a piece of shit. Make of that what you will.
Also: VtM had a TV show. It... wasn't very good. Nor very faithful to the lore.

>>724490464
>>724490427
I knew that was gonna be your next cope
By the way, with the NPC density in this shitty game it's almost impossible to have more than 2 people notice
Also pictured: the parkour system not working, as per usual
https://streamable.com/vhjipz

You have been thoroughly BTFO
I'm gonna go finish the rest of this game and uninstall it, and probably hide it from my library forever

>>724490351
The core books and sourcebooks are actually good reads

>>724490926
Vampires have always been gay and sexual anon

>>724490980
>I knew that was gonna be your next cope
I'm sure you did, when you misrepresent things, it's very easy to predict that someone might call you out on it. Again you can clearly see that one person is looking at you, the second NPC you approach is turned away before you flub your parkour. People don't see what they don't see, I don't know what else to tell you.