The eternal debate...
DOS2 vs WotR is a more fair comparison. BG3 had an insane budget, part of the reason why the normalfags got into it so much.
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>>724905951is this worth getting into now that they added turn based combat?
>>724905691i finished kingmaker but i couldnt play wrath of the righteous for longer than like 3 hours
It's not really a debate, WotR is much better but BG 3 has mass appeal and nothing will ever change that.
>>724906359>It's not really a debateAgreed, BG3 mogs the shit out of it
>>724906228it's good with two caveats:Ignore all those shitty ass backer NPCsStop with this game because if you play 2 or Avowed you will just be disappointed
Going for another slide thread, chinkshill?
>>724906402>mogsand of course, the normalfag troglodyte who speaks like a normalfag troglodyte prefers the normalfag game with the babby tier systems and difficulty.Thank you for proving my point so succinctly.
>>724906495At what age were you diagnosed with autism?
BG3 is more fun when it comes to solving problems by thinking outside the box.WotR is more fun when it comes to character building and making some busted ass builds to slaughter your enemies with.On that note, BG3 serves as a nice tutorial for newbies to CRPGs to learn how game mechanics work and get an idea of how to make builds.
>>724906578Ah, you're an ESL and can't read so that's why your posts are basically nonsense. Got it. Adios, Pedro!
What if I like both?
>>724906585and yet you can just autoattack the left one to death with 4 fighters on """Tactician"""
>>724905691BG3 is a themepark you visit a couple times and then it gets boring.WOTR is more like an epic adventure.
>>724905691I thought both were pretty fun.
>>724906774You can just autoattack the one on the right too Still, doesn't change the fact that one has clearly more effort put into it than the other. And hey, at least you can fix left with mods, can't say the same about right
>>724906874I think both are pretty fun. I've beat Big Gay 3 three times and once with friends, and I don't replay games often. I still think WotR is a better CRPG but it will filter basically everyone except for people who play CRPGs often.
>>724906879no you can't lmaoretard You just demonstrated you have no clue about WotR at all
>>724906981Okay okay okay, sorry, you might have to use dispel magic, that makes a lot of difference! (it doesn't you can just use those googles to guarantee it'll work, and then proceed to autoattack to death, as usual)
>>724905691There is no competition, let alone a debateit's like comparing a super car with an suv
>>724907073>he still doesn't get ityou played on normal or didn't play the game at all, this is embarrassing.People cry about Unfair because they don't know how to stack BaB. You can't stack BaB making a party of fighters and auto attacking (whereas 4 fighters in BG 3 is actually a completely overpowered Tactician group)Go ahead and cope for 15 more posts about how you "totally knew that" or whateverretard
Party's over chang OP
>>724907216>making a party of fightersNo? You have to prebuff? (and obviously you can't do that with a party of fighters) then you proceed to autoattack to death. Truth be told I was hoping you to say that mods don't count so I could pull the bubblebuffs card but eh
>I..I t..totally k..knew t..thatlmao you can time your watch to the retards on this site with how predictable they are
I am helpful, am I not, mon-keigh?
>>724905691I played WoTR and I enjoyed it, I feel like the game is way too long though. >>724905951trying that one next I boughted it
>>724905691I don't like the look of any of the cast in the BG3 poster.Especially Asstarion front and center
Which one is the game where your wife fucks a bear?
>concentration spells
>>724908037The upper one. The lower one is the one where your wife fools around in a brothel behind your back.
>>724908283Your other wife also fucks a meatball in the lower one
>>724908037every single romance in both games are whores
What if they had the time and money to properly finish it?
>>724906938The sheer amount of buildfaggotry in Wrath is definitely a filter, but I do like how the game implicitly expects you to break it.
>>724908571paradox would still find a way to fuck them over
>>724905951>RTwP garbagelmao.>>724905691One lets you peg a bear (literally).The other one doesn't and has EpigOnlineSpyware.dll.The choice is clear. The one with the bear.
>>724908813>RTwP garbage>>724887885
>>724908813>>RTwPa superior system to shitty TB
>>724908037>>724908283I hate half-elves.
Zoomers are afraid of RTwP for the same reason they're afraid of talking on the telephone.
>>724909016The saturation of scammers and automated messages?
>>724909016>press spacebar>watch game play itselfrtwp people are the target audience for autobattler non-games
>>724908930>>724909016rtwp lost
>>724905691Owlcat bros....just because we are poor.... Also not a good comparision
>>724905691Top 6.5/10Bottom 5.9/10
>>724908491>sedbig difference
>>724909607yes, we knownormies wonconsoles woncontrollers wonthe gays woncongrats, enjoy watching paint dry
When is Beamdog going to update the OG BGs so they're turn based too?
>>724910483is beamdog even alive
>>724905691Always BG3, but WotR's still a good game. Even with Rogue Trader being a letdown I'm still looking forward to their Dark Heresy game and maybe their Expanse game even if god only knows what an action RPG will look like from Owlcat
>>724910483haha>implying beamie could achieve thatthey couldn't even add a master volume slider
>>724910579RT is better than WotR
>>724908253Never used
>>724910785You never use haste? beyblades? wall of fire?
>>724910762And better waifusYrliet > WenduagMarazhai > CamelliaCassia > Arue
>>724905845DOS2 > BG3. BG3 has dog shit DnD mechanics which hold back the game massively. Anyone claiming that they think 12 max levels, boomer turn based mechnics, rolling dice and a system built for save scumming is lying their ass off. even BG2 didnt have to rely on turn based>>724906402doesnt even mog DOS2
>>724910884>Marazhai > CamelliaAt least bring up Kibellah, not a man, you faggot
>>724910762i like both but nothing in rt even remotely compares to unlocking and progressing your mythic along with the world reactivity to it
>>724910956>along with the world reactivity to itYou kidding? There's barely any
>>724910935DLC waifus don't countSo unfortunately you have to pound the elf's ass
>>724905691what debate? baldurs gate won by a landslide, its not even close, theyre not even on the same level
>>724906228The rtwp is far superior retard
>>724911027Why would they not count? And that doesn't change the fact that he's still a man you fag, bring up Jae then
>>724908930I love turn based games. But BG3 turn based combat is absolute dogshit. Normies acting like BG3 is a good game are lying their ass off. Even boomer turn based game from 1990s had variety in their attacks. BG3, it feels like the only option you have is the attack button. And then as you progress further in the game, you can press the attack button more times. It's total dog shit. Even a monkey can press the attack button on a character like Karlach. >Be turn based strategy game>Half the characters only option is to press "Attack"Somehow GOTY.
>>724911079>BG3, it feels like the only option you have is the attack buttonNever play Pathfinder if you think this
>>724910884Jocasta Sauerback >>> all other waifus
>>724906585Left one is Call of duty tier design. When did having enemies stand near exploding barrels became a good design especially in CRPG.
>>724911132Is that derrick roguetrader?
>>724911008angel and trickster had a good bunch. can't speak for the others
>>724911063>he's still a manIt don't matter when it's an eldar!
>>724905951>rtwp with turn based being released 10 years late>extremely shallow build theorycrafting>extremely shallow roleplaying dialogue options>unnecesarily long slog to read throughI'm sticking to Owlcat and Larian thanks
>>724911298>>extremely shallow roleplaying dialogue optionsI dropped the game because it bored me but from what I remember it sure as hell had better roleplaying than Pathfinder, building your personality depending on what choices you pick sure was better than the alignment wheel
Try to explain (without getting mad) why you prefer Turn Based over RTwP
>>724911358i like positioning my pieces to use the terrain, cover, line of sights etc as best i can instead of hitting unpause and watching a mass of mobs charging each others or worse yet, pillars of dragon age AI playing the game for me
>>724911249Angel yes because it's the main one, trickster was extremely barebones by comparison, especially in act 4
>>724911352I never felt quite represented by the choices as a bleak walker paladin. Like, at all. The fact most missions resolve themselves with 1-2 outcomes is indicative of this straightforwardness in story design. Nothing like WOTR and BG3...Oh, I forgot this about PoE1:>unintelligible combat due to overdone effects creating a visual messDeadfire improved a lot on the first Pillars' design flaws but sadly Obsitards fell for the "dubbing every line of dialogue" trap just as they botched Tyranny (stilll way better than PoE1 doe) and we'll never get a crpg from them ever again
>>724912142>Obsitards fell for the "dubbing every line of dialogue"Owlshart are doing this with their upcoming games
>>724910579What do you mean? I'm playing rogue trader for the first time rn and I'm having a fucking blast.For me, in terms of lore and characters, I find rogue trader a lot more interesting than bg3 (though lower budget, worse graphics, etc.) and pillars of eternity.
>>724912286Some people really dislike 40k for some reason.My experience was like yours, I really like the characters and setting. It should be less buggy now with the latest patch.
>>724910897I agree, but D&D what the normies like or pretend to like for some reason.
>>724905691Owlcat cant balance their games unfortunately because they dodnt know how to play them above easy
>>724912267I know and I hope they know what they're doing. Obsidian clearly did not.
>>724910852Ok i used some
>>724907604In rogue trader, they don't even pronounce it mon-keigh, they just straight up call you monkey
>>724911298lycanthropes owe me sex
>>724912562Oh and I forgot about darkness toothere's plenty of useful concentration spells, they're just useless for buffs (mostly)
>>724912707This really bugged me That's definitely the wrong pronunciation going by every other 40k game everApparently it's a russian thing
>>724912956Her human form is better
Nenio (Form Fox) owes me sex
>>724905691>be CRPGs>insist on remaining isometric because that's how it was in the 90s>insist on RTwP because that's how it was in the 90s>refuse to implement a grid-based movement system because that's not how it was done in the 90s>90s devs: "We made it that way because we were crunched for time and money."At least Larian moves past SOME of this convention for convention's sake bullshit. But seriously no other retro genre does this. It's not like ULTRAKILL forgoes a jump button because the original DOOM didn't have one.
>>724914636Grid based movement sounds like a flat downgradeWhy would you even want that?
>>724914975Square grid bad, Hexagonal good,
>>724914975Because autism.
>>724905691I liked pathfinder more but bg3 was good shit
TB is artificially easy.The only reason you can kill a chaos marine or a Helbrute or a C'Tan shard without taking a scratch is because he has to stand there with his thumb up his ass waiting his turn while Kibellah hops around and slices him up, then Yrliet takes five shots in a row into him because of the "extra attack on crit" ability from her Wanderer's Portent rifle, then Argenta magdumps into his ass, then Jae shouts "do it again, sweet sister!" and Argenta magdumps again and now he's dead, and Abelard declares "compared to naval service that was barely a challenge!"Can't do that in RTwP
>>724905691I really like the ideas behind the Pathfinder games but holy hell do I hate actually playing them. Terrible combat, mostly terrible companions, terrible side gimmick, it's just a thoroughly unenjoyable slog for like maybe a dozen or so genuinely cool roleplay moments but then you're just reading them so it's mostly static and lifeless. Like yeah I can just imagine how cool this shit is in my head but videogames evolved enough that you don't need to rely on my brain for this stuff anymore. You can actually animate and act it out.
>>724915587In RTwP you can swarm an enemy caster before they can even get a spell off. Each type has its nuances
>>724905691Both are made for brown subhumans and pseuds
>>724915808Insect swarm in BG2 is comfy for interruptions
>>724915936Tumblr nose is artistic cancer
>>724915587>The only reason you can kill a chaos marine or a Helbrute or a C'Tan shard without taking a scratchis because the game is piss easy and the enemies are not strong enoughAlternatively you play unfair and if the enemy gets a turn they'll probably kill someone so you have to kill them before they act
>>724914975>Grid based movement sounds like a flat downgradeIn the same way that purists used to insist taking turns was a downgrade from RTwP but now everyone has come to realize it's clearly more suited to the tabletop-inspired format. Look, the whole concept of tabletop rule sets was predicated on these gamified abstractions: turns and movement grids. The reason Baldur's Gate and Infinity Engine games didn't do that is because they were trying to market themselves as action games. Yes, really. Just as you regard grids as a downgrade, the whole fucking isometric format was seen as a temporary and the transition to 3D action (as well as online multiplayer) a foregone conclusion. That's why World of Warcraft supplanted the whole fucking genre for nearly a decade.So long as you're committed to an isometric format that is clearly an abstraction, why not go the full nine yards and commit to conventions strategy gamers have long known work best? Why continue to nostalgia bait with the clumsy half-evolved action mechanics of 90s CRPGs?
>>724918997But it's not a strategy gameHow does exact placement of units assist with roleplaying?
>>724918997Because grid based movement still runs into the problem of diagonal movement and positioning being a pain in the ass. This was solved by Hex grids in actual strategy games and Larian calculating movement range within a circlular radius refined it
>>724905691Wotr is better in everything except production values.
>>724905691WotR wins because it has best girl
>>724919939>Cucks you>Is also a cuckqueanYikes
>>724919220>it's not a strategy gameIt kind of is. Most of the gameplay challenge is effectively the same as a strategy game. The DnD rule set was literally adapted from strategy war games. Since you're collectively playing for the whole party, it's kind of trending back towards a broader strategy dynamic.>How does exact placement of units assist with roleplaying?Isn't the omnipotent isometric perspective and controlling several party members a much bigger hindrance for roleplay immersion? Why do you prefer one game abstraction but not the other?>>724919746>Because grid based movement still runs into the problem of diagonal movementI didn't specify square grids. As you say, hex grids became the standard.>Larian calculating movement range within a circlular radius refined itThere's a reason turn-based strategy games don't really do this. A continuous movement space can't be reasoned about with the same precision as discrete segments. It's awkward to embrace discrete precision temporally but not spatially.
>>724905691The debate is: how to rape Camellia without her just breaking down into a murderhobo and enjoying it? I tried salve sex labor, she'd get off on abuse. Tried demon whorehouse slavery, bitch probably would end up owning the place by the end of the week. Tried rape with Animals, bitch would just wear the shaman mask and start loving animals. Any ideas?
>>724920054>Isn't the omnipotent isometric perspective and controlling several party members a much bigger hindrance for roleplay immersion?Not for me. I'm just looking at the scene and I can imagine I'm telling everyone where to go.
>>724920108>Tried demon whorehouse slavery, bitch probably would end up owning the place by the end of the weekShe literally canonically wouldn't
>>724908503Queen Galfrey is not
woke "so I'm non binary" slop loses every time
>>724920230>refuses to have your kids but will have them with someone elseValerie 2
>>724905845this except i don't think Original Sin 2 is a low enough bar either. maybe the first Original Sin. WotR is a very nice mobile game compared to Baldur's Gate 3, but you have to aim lower with your comparisons to find an equivalent. Owlcat games peers are like... Disco Elysium, Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny, Shadowrun Dragonfall, etc. they're not on Larian's level.
>>724914636Literally the only reason I don't play WRPGs and only Jap shit is because of the isometric shit and the only reason I did give BG3 try is because it wasn't as bad with its isometric shitWhat is with western autism and this specific type of perspective, it makes me want to fucking puke What is the actual appeal?
>>724907216you can't stack bab at all you retard bab is literally BASE attack bonus it's based on your class progression you fucking secondary retard faggot, jesus christ you made me mad reading that.You can stack AB, normal ass AB can be stacked.
>>724920358I have almost the opposite problem. Coming from strategy games, CRPGs feel very unwieldy and bloated with poorly thought-out mechanics. My sister introduced me to Gloomhaven and it felt MUCH better.
>>724920047>It pains me that the cat-spider woman betrayed you, elantach>I would never do something like that
>>724920571>I would never do something like that
>>724920054>There's a reason turn-based strategy games don't really do this. Because it becomes extremely easy to exploit>A continuous movement space can't be reasoned about with the same precision as discrete segments.Completely wrong. You can start up a teleport spell and jump to high terrain you otherwise shouldnt be able to because a single pixel of your movable range fell on its edge. Not even hex grids can achieve that level of precision and there's no way to stop or nerf it. This is why movement and teleport spells in larian games are overpowered
>>724920358- Mimics the perspective of playing on tabletop irl- in 2d it looks very pretty
>>724920610
>>724920565>GloomhavenI looked into frosthaven since it was newer and I just couldn't get into the card system.
D:OS2WotRPoEthey're all fun to me, i like them all.
>>724920635Which game?
>>724920635Except on a tabletop you look down, not fucking 3/4ths shit ass perspective
>>724920791You hover directly over the table?
>>724920647>>724920047>romance options attracted to other companionsNo one likes this
>>724920358makes it easier to see your characters in relation to enemies and the environment, notice how it's also used in Tactics JRPGs (the only JRPGs with gameplay worth anything)?
>>724920635My brain sees this and thinks I'm playing Anno 1800.
>>724920834Doesn't happen in RT, it's just people talking shit about the elvesIt does however happen in WotR (Wenduag)And it very much happens in Balls Hurt Gay 3 (Shart and Halsin)
>>724920791?
>>724921009>Doesn't happen in RTOwlcat implied it in their ama
>>724920868Except the absolute most fun tactics jrpg has a first person perspective
>>724921072You mean this? Even if true that's a lot different that what happens in BG3.
>>724921083That's third person you clod
>>724921167Yes. Who else gets an ending like that among your companions? None of them. There's Vigdis and Idira, but the former isn't a companion>that's a lot different that what happens in BG3Hey I never said it was worse than having the most popular girl openly lust after her writer's bara self insert
>>724921083VC is stylish and fun, but has zero depth and you know it
>>724921226Your mother
>>724905691BG3 combat, bossfights, encounter design, environmental reactivity, and quest design are orders of magnitude better than WotR.Owlcat games are good as far as eurojank goes, but don't hold a candle to Larian, the best CRPG devs of all time.
>>724921009>your presence fills me with uncontrollable angerNot the only thing he fills her withYou really should have killed him
>>724905691There's no debate here. In the world, there are people who love quality RPGs and grew up on games like BG1-2, so they genuinely enjoyed the real BG3 in the form of WOTR, and there are lovers of homosexual sexual acts between an elf and a bear who watched a movie about it in what rotten developers called BG3, having no relation to the game series at all.There's nothing to discuss when WOTR has an adequate RPG system with great variability for build-crafting, numerous meaningful choices and paths through the game, well-written characters, and a working plot, while Balls Hurt Gay 3 has 3D vaginas and penises, a scene with a bear, and a huge amount of mocap and voice acting.Balls Hurt Gay 3 doesn't have a single quality RPG element. It has crappy combat, a bad plot, annoying characters, and linearity in everything.What are you planning to discuss here? Everything's already decided.I've played them all and i know what i'm talking about
>>724921245>Who else gets an ending like that among your companions?Jae and Idira. They're already very closeKibellah and Marazhai if you don't romance either of them (they disappear together after a great duel, neither body ever found)And yes if you don't romance either of them, and if you give her the Path of Damnation ending, Yrliet and Marazhai will (((bond))) But if Kibb or Yrli are your waifu, neither of these outcomes happen.
>>724921083>the best (and the semingly intended way to play the game since this method is what gives the best rank and the most rewards) is to rush the capture point down in 1 turn with the invincible scout in that picOf all the games you could've used for your shitpost, you picked Valkyria chronicles
This is what balls hurt gay 3 fans defending btw
>>724921487>Kibellah and Marazhai if you don't romance either of them (they disappear together after a great duel, neither body ever found)They literally have a duel to the death
>>724905691Woke of the Righteous is unplayable with how much lefty shit is in it.Baldur's gate, you can just behead any of that shit right out the gate.
>>724921561May we see the body?No? How about the survivor? No also?A """"duel"""" far from the sight of anyone, fate of both unknown.They fucked and ran away together. It's heavily implied.
>>724921431WotR is great but some of the fight encounters are badly tuned. Sometimes they're hard and annoying, other times they're easy, and especially later on it just feels like a slog.
>>724921551dont forget the literal circus freak
>>724921551>male voice actrolol
>>724921551What is it with both owl and lariantards using "woke" as a counterargument when both their games are woke?
>>724921709At least Owlcat never pulls shit like this
>>724905691Rogue Trader
>>724921431>the real BG3>in the form of WOTRLOLLMAO, even
>>724921709He's Russian, what did you expect?
>>724905691> debateLol. Lmao even
>>724921743>it's realwhat the fuck happened to him holy shit
>>724921902It's too bad Marazhai isn't real, he'd get a real kick out of this self-inflicted disaster
>>724905691I LOVE Camellia!
>>724921956I wanna smooch her.
>intrested in BG3>look at the reviews for BG3>friends>friends>friends>no longer intrested
>>724911163Left one rewards you for exploring the map and understanding game mechanics Right one is basically a visual novel
WOTR has the most boring combat and most unsatisfying character building I've ever experienced. Also not enough voice acting. Shit game.
Owlcat have gotta start telling whoever on their staff has a thing for race mixing to chill the fuck out on all the black companions. If Larian have anything on Owlcat it is most definitely that BG3 only has one black companion and one Asian companion. The other 7 party members are all white. They didn't blow over half the party on """diversity and representation""" like Owlcat can't seem to stop doing. The fucking groan I let out when I saw the black woman on the cover of their next Warhammer 40k game was haunting.
I accidentally burned myself out on CRPGs.
Owlcuck fans on suicide watch
>>724905691I prefer Rogue Trader.
>>724921953>identifies as a woman>pinned VA reel on twatter is him sounding like the gruffest man imaginableslaaneshi cultists, not even once
>>724914636>refuse to implement a grid-based movement system because that's not how it was done in the 90sAs somemone who has played TTRPGs for over two decades, grid-based movement is a major downgrade from free move. Moving to freemove in my games was the best decision I ever made. Theres a lot more you can do with encounter design and it even open ups more tactics for your players.Free >>> hex > square
>>724910956I prefer the combat in RT. I like the more modern setting and firearms. I love shooting a shotgun into a crowd and watching them fly apart in slow-mo.
>>724922201>a studio of crpg fans played a major crpg releaseWho would have guessed
>>724921813WOTR is more BG than BG3 is BGBG3 is more DAV than BG
BG3 is goodWoTR is goodThe people having tantrums and shit flinging for either side are faggots
>>724921723Both games are woke, yeah, but the difference is just unimaginable.Games from Owlcat contain only superficial woke elements, like homosexual romances and one troon character about whom you can learn that he's a troon only if you do his quest, ask about it at the beginning, then remember it in Act 5 after 100 hours of play and pass a not-so-easy skill check.In BG3, you're presented with a whole spectrum of woke elements from defending the rights of refugees to terror against the indigenous population and the rights of squatters to occupy someone else's property to incestuous relationships and zoophilia.In terms of its woke elements, BG3 stands on the same level as Dustborne.
>>724921813>russkie subhumanNot trusting a single word coming from your mouth, shill Zboy. Now go back to frontline
>the game that opens with a transbian relationship is only superficially wokelol
>>724922201YEAH..... ABOUT THAT
>>724922447DAV isn't even comparable to BG3 on a fundamental level. all the BG3 companions are opt-in but you HAVE to recruit everyone in Veilguard. i've got like 500 hours in BG3 and have never when met Halsin but EVERYBODY who beat Veilguard had to sit through the "i'm non-binary" scene. Veilguard isn't even an RPG, it's a third person movie action game.
>>724922815have never *even* met>>724922667if i were Russian i'm pretty sure i'd have died in Ukraine like 6 months ago.
>>724922750> a transbianYou find out that it's a troon in Act 5 if you pass the check after completing the quest.In BG3, you'll run into tons of homosexuals anyway, you'll kill the based Ketheric Thorm, encounter migrants and squatters, and every companion will try to fuck you regardless of your gender.
>>724922775Ummmmmmmm about that...
>>724922918YIKES
>>724922918Yeah, marketing department doing its thing.
This thread reminded me I need to replay the first Dragon Age, i havent since it was first out
This is who was doing writing for balls hurt gay 3
>>724922775>literal who>entire studioGo be brown somewhere else
>>724922884shit, wrong fag>>724922667 meant for >>724921431
>>724923072>balls hurt gay 3thank you for coining a term nobody else would use so it's easier to word filter your shitposts.
>>724923139> >entire studioTotally true and not just a PR stunt!
>>724923274>when the guys I don't like do it, it's bad>when the guys I like do it, it doesn't countWish I could be this shameless
>>724923260Every based boi call it like that
>>724921551I actually modded them and all niggers out of my game, their voices are replaced with ai and their pronouns are made normal, either male or female. Visual mods and ovverides are incredibly easy to get running in BG3
>>724923418> Visual modsIt doesn't fix the root of the problem and the main themes of the game, which are woke to the bone.Moreover, we're discussing games as they are in their original form. If you need to modify your game, then it's a bad game.
>>724905691Both are overratedNeverwinter is the closest D&D experience
>>724910897How on earth are you complaining about TB and then saying DOS2 is better than bg3 when they're both tb I'll just remind you that DOS2 had retarded round robin initiative syste, le armour and cursed fire everywhere. I don't have to say anything else on this.>Bg2 managed to be real timeBaldurs gate 1 started the rtwp in modern form because the people making them didn't want to make the 10 years old adhd kid turn the game off within first 10 minutes. The system was always retarded put the retard glasses off.
>>724923510>If you need to modify your game, then it's a bad gameNot the best argument to employ when defending WotR
>>724923608You don't need ANY mods for WOTR nowadays, friend. They fixed the bugs.
>>724923659>They fixed the bugslolI wasn't referring to that anyway, I'm talking about bubblebuffs, prebuffing instantly, something so vital that console players literally had to beg Owclat to include an autobuffing option (they said no)
>>724923260>Balls Hurt Gay>Avoid>Failguard>Rogue Tranny>Dark Cuckery>ShitspantsThese are all standard terms
>>724906495Are you implying that WotR system is difficult? It's merely tedious and boring.
>>724923510nothing about what those trans characters talk about is "woke" its just jarring they are trannies. Most of BG3 is a pretty straight laced DnD campaign if you remove the forced niggers.I just combine a few from here and the game is great https://mods.rpghq.org/. While I prefer Owlcat's games, BG3 does have so much reactivity and and content its worth playing too
>>724923510>It doesn't fix the root of the problemIt quite literally does, even offer alternative solutions to what's probably the most woke quest in the game (the squatter one)
>>724923751> , I'm talking about bubblebuffs,Cheating faggot. Nobody but cheaters use this shit. You have all the tools to make your buffs last for 24 hours.
>>724923779> BG3 does have so much reactivityThis reactivity?
>>724923947>You have all the tools to make your buffs last for 24 hoursThat's not the problem little retard, the problem is prebuffing, it's way too annoying and takes too long, having to click every single one of your characters to buff them properly every time you enter a new zone gets old fast
>>724909016Wouldn't it be the opposite? Zoomers would like RTwP because they don't have the attention span for turn based games?
>>724923947having to recast every single fucking buff on a new zone, especially long before you have meta magic is just bad game design, A GM at a table wouldnt force his players to verbally announce they are recasting every single fucking spell they want when they need it back up, they would let them cast in bulk to get to the actual gameplay. Playing the Ainz lich buff scene every other hour isnt engaging or fun and you are actually mentally ill if you do enjoy it
>200 ai posts referencing the prompt RTwPDid you meet your sales quota today, tencent?
Why owlcat hates gay people?
>>724923659Is that russian?
>>724924041> the problem is prebuffing, it's way too annoying and takes too longThis is a system that encourages you not to abuse the rest mechanic. It's a punishment for trying to spam long rests after every fight.You buff up at the start of a location and then clear the whole thing without any rests. In BG3, though, you can rest after every single fight, which makes the entire game braindead and primitive.
>>724905691Kingmaker
>>724924448Yes
>>724924475>This is a system that encourages you not to abuse the rest mechanicYeah no, the corruption mechanic is irrelevant, you can rest as much as you want, this isn't Kingmaker>You buff up at the start of a locationYes and? It's still annoying. And speaking of Kingmaker, that game was even worse considering how many nodes to explore there were. WotR has way less, but it's still a problem
>>724924527So it is that russkie shitposter having yet another meltie. Good to know
weretiger or werewolf build???
>>724924665Are you honestly surprised?
>>724906981hes right thoughstacking every buff in the game then auto attacking is the braindead easy mode to steamroll WotR
>>724924725Werewolf
>schizo is so mindbroken by BG3 hes resorted to trying to compare it to dragon age
>>724924112No, because TB lets them stop and give it little bites of attention in between doing other things
>>724923518what module should I play i was considering playing NWN . Undrentide?
>>724925486So does RTWP, just press space
>>724925540Yes but then when you unpause you get hit with 15 guys acting at once There's no escape It's very stressful
Owlcat>lvl 2: gain a stacking 0.1% increase to damage for every enemy present at the start of a round (passive)>lvl 3: spend one AP to mark an enemy with 2 stacks of “cumsock”. Each stack increases damage taken by 1,5%>lvl 4: if an enemy within (10 + perception bonus/trauma) squares attacks an ally within (10 + insight bonus), that enemy gains 1 stack of “cumsock”. (passive)>lvl 5: when standing in cover, you apply an extra stack of “cumsock” (passive)>lvl 6: spend 1 AP. Enemies will only lose half their “cumsock” stacks when taking damage>lvl 7: if you have no shoes equipped, your kick attacks apply 1 stack of “cumsock”. Your kick attacks can no longer trigger “cumsock” (passive)Larian>lvl 2: gain an extra action this turn
>>724925540rtwp feels very different to play no matter how many times you press spacebar, which you won't because everyone's too lazy.
>>724905691Is it a single dude trying to push a fake rivalry between these games, or what?There are not nearly enough CRPGs being made for a rivalry to be a real thing, we play what we can get. Both these are great.I'm waiting for the turn-based mode update for Pillars 1 next month
>>724925763they need to nerf cumsock
>>724926263>Both these are great.no they're not. bg3 is great. wotr has awful combat , pacing and puzzles.
>>724905691Bottom satisfies to my powerfantasies better. While BG3 is fucking boring mechanically.
>>724926357Agreed to disagree, I had a blast with both.I grew up on oldschool AD&D video game CRPGs so it was right up my alley (and far improved over those)
>>724925069>>724924725Werepig
>>724926263>Is it a single dude trying to push a fake rivalry between these gamesmore like 3 or 4
>>724926513satisfies my*
>>724905691faggot gate 3 was made for fags like OP and cinematic ‘gamers’ while Wotr was made for people who play games aka real gamers
>>724926707Not quite. BG3 was made for people who loved old Bioware RPGs. And WotR was made for people who loved old Bioware RPGs.
>>724926772>BG3 was made for people who loved old Bioware RPGsIs Dragon Age Origins that old?
>>724925332But BG3 is indeed VERY similar to DaV, and both games targeted the exact same audience.Both games are sequels to great series, but have no real connection to the previous entries, feature extremely simplified gameplay compared to what came before, bet on a woke agenda, and are written in millennial Californian style.These are brother games.
>>72492680616 years old.Until Pillars of Eternity popped up, CRPGs were mostly disappeared from major studios.Dragon Age 2 was starting to leave normal CRPGs with "press button, something awesome happens", Inquisition went further. We dont' talk about Veilguard.
>>724926572>Agreed to disagreeno i don't. the two games aren't remotely in the same ballpark.i still played wotr because it was decently written and ticked my spreadsheet autism but beyond that the game is deeply flawed from the discount homm combat to the copy pasted fights on every single map.
>724926893nta, but the games are nothing alike. Nobody who actually plays CRPGs would see these two games and think "these are the same thing". BG3 is an actual CRPG.
>>724926916>16 years old
>>724926932I agreed to disagree.Both these games were great. Welcome to subjectivity.
>>724925763> LarianIn BG3 there are only 12 levels, and for almost all classes, half of the levels are absolutely useless.The exception is full casters.But for rogues, barbarians, and rangers, literally HALF of those pathetic 12 levels give absolutely nothing.
>>724927025Rogue sneak attack goes up every other level for 6d6 by 11th. It's a big part of their kit.
>>724926263BG3 is not a real CRPG though. It's more movie-game like Detroit or Fahrenheit than a proper CPRG experience like BG1-2How often have you seen anyone discussing builds in BG3 or ways to beat it? Has anyone discussed choices, besides who to fuck?The whole game is about relationships with companions and fucking the bear. There's nothing CRPG about it.
>>724926995>I agreed to disagree.and you did so alone. the problem about wotr is that it's full of half arsed systems that don't mesh well together. it doesn't surprise me from a company that makes most of its money from delivering dlc, because that what half the game feels like, system on top of system that don't mesh well together or are in any way polished.
>724927189It's literally a CRPG.I know you're being disingenuous so no (yous)
>>724927230Yes, welcome to subjectivity. The systems felt good to me, and scratched that tabletop itch.
>>724918997Damn how fucking stupid are youHoly fucking retarded nigger
>>724926263A literally played them all and i disagree with youCheck this >>724921431
No, I won't check that. It's obvious that you're that known schizo that sometimes pops up.
>>724927025>literally nothingYou clearly get something, you blind nigger. And unlike owlkek, it doesn’t require you to stack it with 50 other talents/feats
>>724920690Desperados
Both were woke combatslops with meaningless choices but I enjoyed wotr a lot more. Maybe because it wasn't so disgusting with it's gay gooner content. Maybe because I became older and entered with very low expectations. Maybe because combat wasn't so slow. Anyway they're both bad and you should replay Arcanum
>>724920690My guess is Desperados
>>724927958What's your favorite part of Arcanum?
>>724928010Reactivity and amount of content locked behind race/class/stats. For example there's a unique dialogue line if you ignore the main quest and go straight to Bates which reveals his character in a whole different light.
>>724928098Interesting, I might check that out next
>>724927887>>724927983Thank you pardners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mj6HObhD_8hell yeah. calling it now, they're only bothering to update this as a testing grounds for an eventual PIllars 3 since crpgs have been getting new players recently
>>724928010For me, it's the part about the gnomes
>>724905691BG3 is the better game in most ways, but I still enjoyed WotR.>>724926893In what way does BG3 have extremely simplified gamplay compared to its predecessors? I don't have anything against the bastardized AD&D 2E rules used in BG1 and 2, and BG2 remains my favorite game in the series, but you would have a hard time arguing that they're more mechanically complex than BG3.>>724927189I imagine you would be making the exact same complaints about BG2 if it were released today.>>724927230I think the main problem with WotR is just that the encounter design sucks, and in such a long game with so many combat encounters that ends up becoming a pretty significant flaw.
>>724905691Regardless of which game you think is better, I think we can all agree that WotR is much more akin to BG 1 and 2 than BG3 is. I'm by no means a BG3 hater, but it feels more like what a good version of Dragon Age Inquisition would look like, than a sequel to BG2.
>>724905691I have 1000 hours into WoTR and like 200 into BG 3. I don't plan on playing BG 3 ever again, and already looking up to my next WoTR playthrough. but the only things BG 3 has over WoTR is graphics and encounter design. everything else feels significantly inferior, especially itemization and the RPG system
>>724925763And in the Owlcat version, all those little stacks add to one thousand damage and you're slaughtering the Elder Demon in one hit.
>>724928774BG3 feels more like the next evolution of Dragon Age: Origins complete with blood, cinematography and full VA, and the few sex scenes.WotR is more akin to the Infinity Engine games like BG2, yeah.
>>724925763>owlcatthat's not WoTR, that's Rogue Trader. the only stacking shit in the pathfinder games is AC
>>724929031he said Owlcat, not WotR in specific.and the Larian example is more specific to BG3, the DOS games would be a million different surface effects
>>724929009almost every normie I know IRL has heard of or played BG 3, even at work I've heard them talk about it. I even saw BG 3 wallpapers on the phones of some girl acquaintances IRL
>>724929130It was definitely successful.I had a friend who had a similar experience with Skyrim. He had no interest in Skyrim, but everyone at his work kept talking about it when it first came out.
>>724929130>>724929224How did it happen? Couldn't just be name recognition.
>>724929282>great visuals>full voice acting>good writing>good combatit's not rocket science. wotr is a tiny production in comparison to bg3.
>>724929282Generally word of mouth. That's how it worked back in the day, people telling others about good games, but nowadays its way amplified due to social media I'd imagine.If you just let people do stuff in a game without blocking too much off (without making it too overwhelming/cumbersome), people tend to gravitate to it seemingly. I personally hated not showing all the class features in-game for the full 12 levels, but I imagine it helped normies not get overwhelmed. Should've still put it in a side glossary or something in-game.
>>724929282I think people really underestimate the multi-player aspect to BG3.I never touched it and have zero interest in playing a CRPG as multiplayer, but most normies I've known who played it played together or with a spouse/girlfriend and had fun that way.BG1 and 2 technically had multiplayer, but it just didn't work well with their systems.
>>724928920Which is obligatory because it’s impossible to beat the Elder Demon otherwise
I swear to God this "Balls Hurt Gay 3" guy was in my Pathfinder 2e group briefly
>>724905691Apples and oranges.Kill yourself.
>>724929282people were craving for a proper bioware-like rpg since andromeda's failure
>>724914636>90s devs: "We made it that way because we were crunched for time and money."They made it that way be because of Diablo.
>>724905691wotr is dogshit, even worse companions than BG3 and you can't kill them outright
>>724905691BG3 has infinitely more production value, is far more competently designed, and doesn't stick you with RTWP (Real Tranny With Penis), but WOTR is just cooler, deeper, and better written. anyway Rogue Trader handily clears both
>>724931948Every single companion has a "disappear from my game forever" dialogue option that's available in camp
>>724932176Sometimes I think those are so stupid they shouldn't even be thereLike kicking your first officer off the ship in RTIt's just there for the sake of completeness, it's retarded.
>>724905691Pathfinder WotR is a DnD video game targeted towards DnD tabletop players that enjoy the stat minmaxing autism. It has a lot of depth and the mythical levels are there for the powertripping fans of DnD.BG3 is a DnD game targeted towards normies who learned about DnD by watching Stranger Things. It is simplified and dumbed down to an extreme extent and you really have to try a lot to make a non functioning build. The lvl 12 cap is the most blatant outlier of that.Both games have faggot characters, so arguing which one is woke, or which one is more woke, is a moot point. Tabletop DnD has always been a hobby for social outcasts with the majority of the playerbase being male nerds and the occasional dyke with dyed hair being the exemption that proved the rule right.
>>724931948gotta love evil options in rpgs
>>724921431>>724921551Remember that time you made a video comparing the combat WOTR and BG3 and you used shitty metal music during the WOTR part because you have the mental capacity of a 12 yo and thought that somehow that would give your argument validity.
>>724932382>It has a lot of depthLook, I enjoyed WotR, but it absolutely does not have depth. All you do is make each character a save-or-die type or an attack bonus type. You've got a lot of options on how to get there but you're ultimately arriving at one of those two points. And that's all every encounter boils down to.
>>724932072Rogue Trader has high production values but feels unfinished storywise.
I think BG3 > WotR, but it's a slim margin of difference. I like them both. Opinion time:>Forgotten Realms beats PF setting>PF rules beat Larian's DnD 5e homebrew>Larian easily wins the encounter + level design prizeRogue Trader is still my overall preference as a video game, though.
>>724932646>Rogue Trader is still my overall preference as a video game, though.Same. I just love the 40k setting, and the characters in Rogue Trader feel real in a way that neither the BG3 nor WotR characters do
>>724932646And Eberron and Dark Sun both beat the Forgotten Realms settingI'm still annoyed as hell that WotC only seems interested in Forgotten Realms video games these days.
>>724905691>The eternal debate...Is the writing better in Pathfinder than BG3? I couldn't stand the writing in BG3.
>>724932909It's a different shade of bad.
>>724932784And Planescape?
>>724929467> >good combatGood combat in question
>>724905691The ones that RAPED and GAPED Bethesda to the oblivion while Todd is crying like a rapebitch
>>724905691sadly you can't combine to two. imagine an actually in depth rpg with high quality presentation. some might call it a "good videogame". too bad there is no such thing
>>724933037This isn't going to be a popular opinion in a crpg thread maybe, but Planescape was good for maybe one game (being PS:T). I dont' think it lends itself well for gaming overall all on its own, more for a novel or show.It works well as an "in-between" adventure within a main adventure on another setting (since it connects almost everywhere pretty much). Again, I realize this might not be a popular opinion here.
>>724905951LOAD SCREENS
>>724930474I don't play tabletop games and I'm literally a based Russian.But I'm not surprised that someone else has this opinion, because here in Russia it's a mainstream opinion and we can't stand BG3 and everything related to it.
>>724905691I think pathfinder does a better job at investing you into the plot. It feels like you are supposed to know a lot about DnD's setting for Baldyr's Gate.
>>724933153Hilarious how you constantly shit on the game, but looking at your buffs it’s clear you spent time on metagaming because you’re owlkek brain can’t handle a blind playthrough
>>724932427You are woke and gayhttps://files.catbox.moe/fhw8ng.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/s0l521.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/62o1jp.mp4
>>724933316we know, a schizo from your country is literally obsessed about being asspained enough about it that he's been crying about it consistently for years, instead of simply saying "it sucks and it's gay" like a normal human being.not saying that's a russia problem. but this one is just well known to happen to be from there.
>>724933168Lol. Lmao even
>>724933480Concession accepted.
How is Kingmaker? Fangberry cave still filters me
>>724933542you wanna go there, man? let's fucking go.
>>724933671This is a good game with a non-trivial plot, a wonderfully unique atmosphere of a local adventure in the wilderness, excellent combat, but quite rough in execution and still having quite a few bugs due to the fact that for a long time the publisher did not allow the developers to release patches for the game.> Fangberry cave still filters meGit Gud
>>724933671They changed up Fangberry cave from original. The berries are moved to a part before the swarms. The swarms are further back in the cave, but honestly they're easy enough to deal with if you just take some alchemists fire.
>>724933721>2 years old>still 60k players everydayis it mods or the sheer length of the campaign? the hype surely should've died out by now.
>>724933798>use torch and alchemist potions>still do 1 damage
>>724933843It's a fucking 100-hour minimum game. Absurdly long (I'd argue that's a bad thing and far too long for mandatory non-optional game, but I imagine people would disagree with that). Plus, multiplayer and multiple options, and shippers.. Fucking shippers are obsessed with this damned game, and they will obsessively play a game and talk about said game forever. Look at fucking FF7 to this day.
>>724933843mods and custom campaigns probably
>>724905691Kingmaker is better than both and feels more like true Baldurs Gate sequelWrath is better than BG3, but has own issues. Kingmaker feels most like classical well rounded rpg adventure.
>>724905691Wrath of the Righteous is better in almost every single way. It's better written, better characters, way better class diversity, better music, better areas to explore and so on and so on.The problem with WotR is it uses real time with pause which is inherently just a shitty system. It almost always just leads to prebuffing your entire party then right clicking everything dead.The biggest problem I have with this is, the game throws items and abilities at you, and most of them you will simply never use because the gameplay is so hectic you will never really have time to think "oh that one ability I got 7 hours ago would be useful here".Another problem in the same vein is there is simply no appreciation for what makes everything unique. My oracle/angel character had like 20 fucking buffs to cast. I don't know what any of them do and never bothered learning, I just know if I want to win I have to use them. Likewise, I never really bothered learning the difference between a Ranger and Slayer. They're just martial classes with a minor spin on them and the combat made is so I could never really appreciate that a Ranger can specialize in fighting a certain type of enemy, while a Slayer can specialize in fighting one specific enemy.Also it's a D&D game without multiplayer (D&D is literally exclusively a multiplayer game).Baldurs Gate 3 is for the most part inferior, but multiplayer makes it much more replayable and the turn based combat gives me time to fucking think about all those abilities I've got and strategize how to use them better so I appreciate them more.
>>724933239That's an understandable opinion.>more for a novel or show.That would be interesting.
RECOGNIZE?AGREE?LEGENDARY COMEBACK!THEY GAVE ME BACK MY 2023!https://files.catbox.moe/fwqvsy.mp4
>>724906324Same
>>724934058> The problem with WotR is it uses real time with pause which is inherently just a shitty systemNah, RTWP is superior in comparison with turn basedAll the best CRPGS like BG1-2 and Arcanum are RTWP.
>>724934058>the gameplay is so hectic you will never really have time to thinkAnd there it isBrainrot has ruined a generation.
>>724934287nta but Arcanum literally has a turn-based mode that was popular built in-game.BG1-2 was popular for its story and characters, not for its combat. It only had that style of combat because Diablo.
>>724908571Still my fav crpg in spite of it not being finished.
>>724934359Nigga please. No one can process all that information without constantly pausing (which turns it into a half baked turn based combat system).You have 6 fucking characters, each with potentially tens, if not hundreds of abilities and can be fighting against enemy groups ranging from 1-20 in size.You honestly want me to believe, in 1 turn (6 seconds) you can look at and process all this information and make the best decisions? No, you cannot, and no one can. You play the game like it's turn based so why not just make it fucking turn based anyway?
>>724934287>>724934359Im glad this genre wont be held back by retarded nostalgiafags like you anymore.
>>724934058>>724934287>The problem with WotR is it uses real time with pauseWotR uses both real time with pause and turn base that you can switch between
>>724934437> nta but Arcanum literally has a turn-based mode that was popular built in-game.WOTR has it though
>>724934491>You play the game like it's turn based so why not just make it fucking turn based anyway?Pausing chaos is nothing like orderly turns with (((turn order))))
>>724934514Yeah but the turn based mode is janky as fuck, and the game is not designed with turn based in mind. That one fight where you have to defend the buildings from hordes of enemies can take hours in turn based, but minutes in rtwp. It's the same with any fight with lots of enemies. Because WotR relies on waves of enemies instead of smartly designed encounters.>>724934573The game still has turns with turn order. You simply don't recognize it in all the chaos. You still pause the game every few seconds in combat though. You are just playing it turn based.
>>724934531>WOTR has it thoughCorrect. I was pointing out that anon's post claiming it was RTWP when it literally also has a turn-based combat mode built in-gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QUDeipApgU
>>724934531the game needs to be designed around turn based for it to work properly, wotr clearly wasn't. if you play turn based on wotr you'll take 5 hours to get out of the tutorial zone. turn based doesn't work when you put 20 encounters per zone.
>>724934627>can take hours in turn based, but minutes in rtwpHours of fun!
>>724934640interestingly Tim Cain mentions that he was forced to put real-time in (like Larian was forced to make their first Divinity a real-time game like Diablo). Seems to be a common thing in that era
>>724934657I actually tried playing through WotR in both turn based and rtwp.In rtwp I completed the game in around 45ish hours.In turn based it took over 100.That is how much longer the game takes in turn based because of the number of encounters + the size of some of them.
>>724931948>weКтo "мы", мyдeнь? Tы и твoи пpoтыки c мeйлaчa?
>>724934657you can toggle between them at any momentjust do that easy trash fights in real time and the harder battles in turn based
>>724914636people made similar arguments about sc:bw selection limits, then after a few years of sc2 everyone now understands some of these ingredients were part of the special sauce
>>724934908 -> >>724933316
>>724934956I did that for both Kingmaker and WotR. Lot of trash mods, just real-time and mow them down. More involved fights, switch to turn-based. Turn-based is for fun, real-time is for just getting rid of mindless mobs.
>>724911352The reputation and personality system PoE had definitely has potential to be amazing. PoE just didn't take full advantage of it, I guess. There were still some moments I vividly remember and liked.>quest that was basically a court case at the end of a long chain of quests investigating something>proving that somebody is nefarious and manipulating the city>because I have deliberately never told a lie on my character, his reputation for Honesty is so high that I can just tell the court that my word is my bond>they believe meBased.But then it got railroaded to the same ending that would have happened if I picked anything else, really. It's a good game but it gets really dry and it's easy to see the cracks and illusion of choice sometimes. Much more than a lot of CRPGs. If Owlcat's autism took a crack at a reputation system like that I could see it being truly great and delivering on the idea.I think Age of Decadence did a better job of delivering on the reputation idea, but it's a different style of CRPG.
>>724933316>here in Russia it's a mainstream opinion and we can't stand BG3 and everything related to itгдe? в твoeй эхo кaмepe?
>>724935173>If Owlcat's autism took a crack at a reputation system like that I could see it being truly great and delivering on the idea.This might happen with Dark Heresy from what I'm hearing about the investigation system and Puritan <-> Radical thing
>>724935246https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYPNc8LUBWM>THIS IS THE NEW SHIIIIIIT
>>724930474He just posts in /vg/crpgg/, everyone calls it that there.
>>724929282For the same reason romance books sell a lot with women: sex.
>>724935302well now I just feel like an ass for assuming most russians were like the schizo
>>724934908Heт, coeвичoк, мы этo бaзиpoвaнныe мoлoдыe люди
>>724935246Could have been the foundation of something truly great. I must be one of the few masochists who enjoyed the long trek through the deep roads- then again, I also like The Library in Halo CE.
>>724906464the more woke a game is, the harder its shilled on /v, thats nothing new.
>>724935302> Импeтyc этo нe нaкpyткa китaйcкими бoтaми пoтoмy, чтo игpa y нac cтoит 2к, чтo в пepecчётe пo тoгдaшнeмy кypcy былo чтo-тo вpoдe ~$25Huh, you are funny one.
>>724935398>BПapaшe>8 upboatsИ гдe нeт-тo? Гoвopю жe, твoи пpoтыки c мeйлaчa.
I played some wotr and couldnt really get into it. But I played more of BG3 and the further I got the more vapid it felt.I would say that I enjoyed Rogue Trader way more than BG3, thats for sure.
>>724935302>English>Overwhelmingly Positive>Simplified Chinese>Overwhelmingly Positive>Russian>Overwhelmingly PositiveBG3 did well it seems
>>724935478ты eбaнyтый? мoжeшь нe oтвeчaть.
>>724906585>larian encounter>hide just out of line of sight>all enemies disregard safety and use every movement skill they have to run to you even if they haven't seen you yet>they will run through the most direct route any and every hazard that is in their path
>>724935576Cope+seethe
>>724905691tranny game, buy an ad.
>>724935684Those are two different games, blind-kun
>>724935729whoa no shit, and im obviously talking about the tranny one.
>>724935769It's talking about two different games, blind-kun
>>724935824then lets talk about tranny one, tranny-kun.
Бля, пиздyйтe oбpaтнo нa cocaч
>>724935920Make a new thread for that then, blind-kun. This one's about two different games. Unless you're saying it's an ad for both games, from two separate companies. If you think that, that'd make you retard-kun.
>>724936003>its a thread about bg3 and some other game>ok cool i want to discuss bg3>NO YOU CANT DO THAT HERE GO MAKE A THREAD
>>724936039>buy an ad>retard-kun caught, pretends wants to talk about the game was just claiming was bypassing an adif you say so retard-kun
>>724935398нa твoём жe cкpиншoтe кoммeнтapий c caмым бoльшим кoличecтвoм лaйкoв - пoзитивный, лoлcaм ceбя oбoccaл
>>724936080you wanna discuss bg3 or not sweetie?
>>724905691BG3 is about tactical combat.Pathfinder games are about preparation.Both have their strong and weak side.I personally hate turd based games so didn't enjoy BG3.Unfortunately zoomers can't into rtwp so that genre is dead same as RTS games.
>>724936142retard-kun, don't you want both different games to buy an ad?
>>724936170>Unfortunately zoomers can't into rtwp so that genre is dead same as RTS games.zoomies cant handle games that require actual actions-per-minute, RTS slowly de-volving into DOTA and then dissapear completely was just sad.
>>724936276RTWP isn't particularly liked even among a lot of us who grew up with it, it was largely a product of its time.Either go turn-based or go full ARPG.
>>724905691top isn't a game, it's gay porn featuring ugly pozzed gross people. It's not just bad, it literally doesn't exist outside of its fetish lgbt audiencebottom is a pozzed game, therefore bad, but al least it's a game
>>724905951It's OKBut man, does the version of Unity they use for their game fucking suckPlay for a few hours and you're stuck at like 12 FPS until you restart the game
>>724936354RTWP always was extremely popular and its what made DND games popular in the first place.Turn based video games should be banned by law, its just a pointless, braindead waste of time. Honest to God you cant come up with more braindead combat style than turn based.
>>724936528>RTWP always was extremely popular and its what made DND games popular in the first place??????
>>724936528Kill yourself, nigger.Im so fucking glad subhumans like you lost and all RPG will be turn-based from now on.
>>724936354speak for yourself faggot
>>724936543>>724936620>seething frothing ragefound the low IQ trannies.
>>724905691BG3 no contest. Pathfinder is only good for build autists.
>>724936621he speaks for me toooriginal AD&D video games were turn-based. infinity engine was a purely late 90's "nobody likes rpgs, you have to make them more active" mentality
>>724936641i was just commenting on the "RTWP made DND games popular in the first place" retarded-ass thing you said, that's allno need to get snippy because it upset you
>>724936706>turn based DND games were so hated and unpopular, dead genre>lets make the gameplay non-braindead and fun!thus, RTWP was born and made DND popular all over the globe.
>>724936750>RTWP made DND games popular in the first placewell that is what happened, so yeah.
>>724936543hes right, baldurs gate 1/2, kotor1/2, Dragon age origins all were RTWP, BG3 being popular has nothing to do with it being turn based, theres plenty of turn based games like Solasta or Rogue trader which get mediocre sales at best, bg3 was attached to legendary franchise and was lucky with the timing and marketing blowing up.
>>724936810kek simply saying it doesn't make it true retardyou must be farming (you)s or something, so here's one more pity (you)
>>724936898>nuh uh! nuh uh! you're wrong!prove it.
>>724936893Anon, he said RTWP is what made d&d games popular. That's obviously stupid and false.He didn't say CRPGs.
>>724905691I would replay BG3 more if not for act 3I have no clue why the fuck they made it like thisnot every game needs to be long
>>724936810You're legitimately a retard anon.
>>724936943>he said RTWP is what made d&d games popular.yes thats correct.>That's obviously stupid and false.no its not. >He didn't say CRPGs.and? he had to?can TABLETOP be rtwp you retarded fucking tranny?
>>724936528TRVTH NVKE
>>724937013guys look, an upset tranny.
>724937014oh. you're samefagging to get around no more (you)s.
>>724937059oh no the retarded fucking tranny wont reply to me anymore thats awful. go hang yourself, in turn based mode.
>1 minute>1 minute>1 minuteYeah. He's samefagging alright kekIt's probably that drag fag again, he was already caught glimpsing in this thread earlier when other russians started making fun of him. Time to move on from this thread
I'm just amazed that turn-based is now regarded as modern.I've always thought of it as an ancient relic that is unsuitable for video games.
>>724922447How can this be game of the year when Armor Core 6 exists?God i love giant mechs
>>724905691>playing western woke slop
>>724937156That's what all the suits in charge of publishers were thinking back in the 90's and a lot of the 2010's as well.A Tim Cain video was linked further up talking about how Sierra forced him to put Real Time With Pause into Arcanum when he wanted it to be turn-based.It was something very few RPG makers actually really wanted to do. Only reason a few did it with the revival CRPGs is because BG1 and 2 did it (and it did it because Diablo was popular and storefronts were saying people dont' like rpgs anymore)
>>724937156>I've always thought of it as an ancient relic that is unsuitable for video games.thats because it is, turn based games were dead up until larian made their tranny sex sim and coomers bought it en masse.
oh yeah. that's dragqueen. they're never able to contain their power level
>>724937225>A Tim Cain video was linked further up talking about how Sierra forced him to put Real Time With Pausearcanum had RTWP? i always thought it was just real time without pause which was horribly balanced and made, not that turn based was much better that game was a mess all around.
>>724937279We must remain strong
>>724937462that's actually what he talks about. he says he largely wasn't successful with either mode in that game.
>>724935317Yeah I was actually thinking it'd be a good fit for WHFB (if they ever did that), but Dark Heresy is an even better fit.
>>724906495>difficulty >owlcatlol
>>724906840wotr is an absolute boring slog with too many encounters and needless fluff
>>724905951I just started Act 3 and its really astonishing how bad this game is at giving you useful informationwant to know what flanking is and how it works? here's a very vague descriptor but no clear definition of its mechanics go look online fuckfacebless them for using a d100 system instead of the d20 dogshit everyone uses to be iconic and prove that they're true nerdy nerds but god is the UI just awfulpathfinder's UI was fat and obtrusive in its own way but at least if I wanted detailed information it existed somewhere I could find itfor all the good ideas it has there's at least one or two ideas where it feels like they just threw something out there and didn't really think about itwho the fuck thought it was a good idea to apply a malus to hidden object detection unless you were scoutingthe melee engagement rules feel inconsistent and like it rarely works in your favorskill system is horrible and party members not being able to aid the MC in dialogue checks is salt in the woundjust pump lore on the MC and basically ignore it for everyone else unless you want them to be a scroll caddystronghold turns don't make any sense either; lets create an arbitrary system of alternate timing from how we already track time, to what end?the only thing I could really see it doing is stopping the player from just passing time fast traveling and slowly, passively accruing a pitiful trickle of income and materials from the two buildingsif you ask me if someone is willing to put themselves through that many more loading screens than this game already has you sit through for that they should feel freeI do like playing through this game and generally enjoy its combat mechanics but god they're really trying to make me feel otherwisesagani has insultingly flat voice acting and I threw her out for the grieving mother immediately, though she's admittedly only a bit betterall the other party members sound fine, cant speak for bird niggra because I'm already a paladin
>>724906585I don't want to fight either of those.
>>724935478Hy этo жe пpocтo пиздёж. Cкaжи, ты peaльнo шизoфpeник?
>>724938731so pray tell, what is your ideal encounter design?
>>724938825Adventure Background: An orc has a pie.Adventure Synopsis: The PCs kill the orc and take his pie.Adventure Hook: The PCs are hungry for pie.Room 1: [The Orc's Pie Room] read the following text to the players:>You see an orc with a pie.>The room is 10 feet by 10 feet.Creature: An orc.Treasure: A pie.Concluding the Adventure: Pie tastes good.Further Adventures: Somewhere, there is a bakery making these good pies. Perhaps it's guarded by more orcs.
>>724938825Something between Age of Wonders 3, King's Bounty, and old school Xcom probably.I can't recall any "proper" RPGs where I was excited for the combat.
>>724932382this, BG3 is for Critical Role fags
>>724939852>claiming d20s and tabletop rpgs are "normalfag">while on a board for video games, the most normalfag pasttime there isi know /v/ is contrarian in general, but jesus christ
>>724939928wanting to stare at a fucking die animation on screen because you want to feel like you're a nerd makes you a normalfag
>>724940134>thing that normalfags don't care about makes you a normalfagshare more of your wisdom
>>724939852Secret of Weepstone does this too, it's annoying
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>>724920386>a.a.akshullyeat shit you lost
>>724939852>>724940215its supposed to waste your time.>record your whole game>if you cut out enemy turns, your gameplay clip is now 50% shorterif it was rtwp and not turn based, it would be 80% shorter.
>>724940178>don't care aboutthey love that animationhalf the social media slop videos made are about le ebin natural 20 roll
>>724906774larian could have a sibgle 1hp goblin and id still take that over 400 hp 80 ac "may as well be immune to magic" demons
>>724918997>In the same way that purists used to insist taking turns was a downgrade from RTwPIt is.>it's clearly more suited to the tabletop-inspired format.Ispired is the key word here. A tabletop game has to be turn based due to logistics that a video game isn't bound by. That's why BG was real time, they tried to turn DnD what is was supposed to be instead of directly adapting.>The reason Baldur's Gate and Infinity Engine games didn't do that is because they were trying to market themselves as action games.You pulled that out of your ass.>the whole fucking isometric format was seen as a temporary and the transition to 3D action (as well as online multiplayer) a foregone conclusion.Are you implying isometric view and 3d are somehow mutually exclusive? Are you retarded? Are the new Diablo games not isometric due to being 3d somehow?cRPGs have been isometric because at the heart they're squad-based tactical games and isometric view is the most useful for that.
>>724905951>Pillows of ShitternityNo thanks. The Pathfinder games are leaps and bounds better.
>>724935384He's specifically an owlshill
>>724935302Бoчкoшиз ты и cюдa дoбpaлcя?
>>724943271kto?
>still not a single gameplay webm after the entire threadNobody plays this game hereДpaгo был пpaв
>>724905691>Faggot's Gate vs Cuckfinder.
>>724914635>anon falls for the oldest kitsune trick on the book
>>724943930BG3 has more blatant cuckshit
>>724905951You're right. PoE is objectively the worst.
>>724911132She's going into the airlock for being a treacherous Sa*cerback.
>>724921431>russianopinion discarded
I just play both
>>724944092>Poly girl IS KEKOLDRY AAAAAA HITLER SAVE ME>vs>Retard dick hopping mutant>I'm ready to settle down succubus>Rich bitch with ADHD that hops dicks more than she hops personalities>The Fox that cucks you (to the virgin incel any form of sex denial is cuckoldry)>The hag queen that kissed someone once 50000 years ago (this outright causes rectum rupture on the weeb tainted)>The lesbo goat duoCuck's gay vs cuckfinder, wrath of the bull
>>724905691>>724905951>fantasyNo thanks, ill wait for Rogue Trader to be finished.
>>724905691Bottom has a lich path so that automatically makes it better. Both of those shit themselves at the last chapter and Rogue Trader is better than either. I'd still take WoTR over BG3. Both of those games also have atrocious romance options since out of either WoTR has 1(one) non used goods girl. Grim.
>>724946698>Poly girl IS KEKOLDRYYes, "your" girl openly flirts and fantasizes with another man. She also spends the entire game waiting to fuck you, but will immediately spread her legs for him
>>724935632Larian spent years on Act 1 and then shat the rest out in a third of the time. They had no idea how to balance lv5+ combat so high profile bosses like Raphael and Ansur can just get raped turn 1 and half of Act 2 and 3 consists of filler trash fights with undead and bandits that can barely harm you
>>724946813>1(one) non used goods girlshe's the worst one
>>724946698>Poly girl IS KEKOLDRYNTA but yes, that's correct.
>>724905951
>>724946945>>724947069Lol cucks
>>724947262Your waifu's cuckshit was so bad that someone had to make a mod to remove all of it
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>>724946132
>>724920173But she would get to enjoy it easily. Evilfags love demon dick for some reason. It would stop being rape halfway through It unless she got matched with a vavakia or something
>>724947410You watch your mouth when talking about Nenio
>>724922651>In BG3, you're presented with a whole spectrum of woke elements from defending the rights of refugees to terror against the indigenous population and the rights of squatters to occupy someone else's property to incestuous relationships and zoophilia.But in BG3 you can actively do the opposite of all those too. Does that make it /pol/?
>>724910897But it did also rely on save-scumming.:^)
>>724947036Yeah. Rogue Trader has a better virgin option, thankfully. But even then they couldn't help themselves and decided her endings would either be cucking you or mutating into a monster, which seems preferable of the two honestly. I just want one western rpg with good romance options. Just one.
>>724905691low iq game vs high iq game
>>724920343>LevelOf copious voice acting to distract from the trash game?Larian is for normalfags
>>724947572She's afraid of them, she's a bully that likes giving it but can't take it. Demons would just mindbreak her and turn her into a cumdumpster
>>724947905Pillars is for normalfags too.
>>724920358Literally the same overhead camera position as any RPG maker slop. But (you) can go ahead and continue to cry about the superiority of wrpgs, jarpigger.
>>724914192yes but hybrid monster form sex is novel
>>724948101and we STILL don't have an ironic punishment ending for Camellia where she gets dumped and raped in the abyss by the city demons or whatever eldritch shit lives in the rest of the abyssal sea. Hold on, if the demons kill her while she's in the abyss does she get respawned in the abyss since she's CE and very likely to get judged into there?
>>724946698>>724946945>>724947069It's not a cuck shit if you play as a girl. It's only natural for girls to be the part of harem.
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>>724947792NoBecause the game draws very clear parallels between good and evil. Between right and wrong.Yes, you can help the druids drive out the refugees, but then you're aiding a puppet of the main villains and a literal Hitler-like figure. Yes, you can kill the squatters, but then you're helping a literal terrorist from whom even other terrorists are horrified.Yes, you can kill them all, but then you're just a murderhobo yourself because you're killing 90% of the game.And naturally, you lose A LOT from this. From the best equipment items, like the robe from Act 2 and heavy armor from Act 3, to companions and their quests.In short, there's no gray morality or real choice in the game. In the first act, you're either killing everyone like a murderhobo, or helping a literal Hitler-puppet, or kissing the refugees' asses.The game is deliberately designed so that it gives you a choice, but subconsciously you yourself accept that this is an EVIL playthrough for a BAD character. And what do we have in opposition to evil? Good. Consequently, you form strong convictions that killing refugees is evil, and saving them is good. All according to the Overton Window.Everyone's just used to the fact that the modern woke agenda is very dumb and tries to shove its opinion down your throat. But in reality, there are other ways to impose an opinion, including by giving a choice that shapes the correct perception of the situation.
>>724905691BG3 is like playing a TTRPG with a table that likes RPWoTR is like playing a TTRPG with a table that plays for the mechanics.Both are good.
>>724950120>literal Hitler-like figureHow original. Do not steal.
>>724950120But the canon playthrough is Durge, therefore every non-Durge action is going against the intended, making BG3 the most /po/ game around.
>>724949594>fiddlecubNo skellies in his closet, no sir-ee.
>>724950849>But the canon playthrough is Durge,Resisting the urge yeah
>>724921551I was born and raised (till my 24th year) in Japan so I speak it nativly and so I play with Japaneses language.No such thing exist there.It's just slop for jewish slaves
>>724951198Prove it.
>Baldurs gay 3 is wokeslop>No WOTR is wokeFuckers, they’re both woke as shit. One has a shitload of woke themes in it and one has a female nigger as a paladin and a troon that was snuck in, as well as a startling number of companions being fags.Gameplay wise, which one you prefer depends on how much autism you have
>>724951459You first
>>724927189It did not get famous anon, it was shilled and the money for shilling was from anti-white agenda devil worshipers.
>>724951459Here's the proof the game.
>>724951479I have full blown autism so I fucking love both these games fuck i love em
>>724951497>>724951574I accept your concession, ruskie.
>>724951549oh shit, we at d&d satanic panic nostalgia again? hell yeah faggots mazes and monsters for everyone
>>724951616>ruskie???
>>724905691>potential candidate for TOP 100 OF ALL TIMES vs random nobody indie shit no one heard about>eternal debatewhy are /v/tards retarded like this?
Also while I say that they’re both woke one thing that shockingly they both aren’t woke on is that they have pro-natalist dialogue options. Just thought that was kind of strange.
>>724951549>anti-white agenda devil worshipersJust say Hasbro.
>>724951728they have some woke shit in them, but they aren't pushing woke. like that obnoxious girl at that convention who asked Larian "every game is political, so what message are you intending for Baldur's Gate 3?" and Larian gave the answer "Have fun and enjoy our game"
>>724951728So natalist that you can only have children in WotR and only after like four years post release with a DLC
>>724951713>random nobody indie shitI don't think BG3 is indie, anon
>>724951886Iirc you can knock up shadowheart in bg3. I can’t remember how far post release that was though
>>724951894he's talking about owlcat anon, and calling bg3 the candidate for top 100 of all time
what is even one thing turn based does better than rtwp? Better for the carpal tunnel people?
BG3>Better combat>Better role playingWotR>Better writing>Better characters>Better power fantasy>Better OST>Better character building>Better story>Better antagonist>Better replayabilityRT>Better
>>724952219RT is just better. Simple as.
>>724952107party management without needless extra steps, honestlyrtwp plays out just like turn-based in practice, but with forcing you to press space bar a lot for no good reason other than to pretend that the game is active.
>>724952219>better antagonistI mean, I guess sewage is slightly better than literal shit but I don't think any of these 2 deserve a point here
>>724951994You can? Since when? I know that the mod that removes the cuckshit added the option, but I didn't know that it was in the base game
>>724952107Problem with rtwp is that is favours repetitive autocombat for a majority of your party members with maybe one or two "active" characters you personally control. The moment you need to constantly assign specific moves to your whole party every rounds, it becomes extremely cumbersome yet at the same time your party doing autocombat isn't particularly thrilling either.
>>724952650I’ll be completely honest I didnt play more than a single run for either game. I’m going off YT clips.
>>724952698the real problem is clueless retards like you talking about something you have no idea about
/v/ jannies let this bot thread stay up for over 12 hours to bump limit.
>>724953245>browsing thread of video games you haven't played while pretending to know what you're talking aboutyeah that's /v/ alright
I got filtered by the character creator and refunded baldurs gate 3. What did I miss out on?
>>724953906I’ve played them alright. Single playthrough of each though and never touched again
>>724952219> BG3> >Better combatLol. Lmao even
>>724954056Helping migrants and squatters in their fight against oppression from native population
>>724955015Why is that bad
>>724955202If you don't get it, then nothing can help you anymore. Nothing. You're a hopeless case. A lost soul with zero taste.
