So do you guys think someone has already figured out the entire plot of the game? Or do you think there's things that are still completely unpredictable outside of complete hail mary?
>>729674943video game thinktanks are very nascent in the gaming sphere.
Deltarune fans read "When you have a bat, everything looks like a ball" and thought it meant "Dess is scary".
>>729675015Why won't you address the allegations
>>729674943No. Nobody predicted Knight fight in Chapter 3 or Titan fight in Chapter 4.
>>729674943No. Nobody predicted (you), the player, would force kris to rape the doe.
>>729674943>already figured out the entire plot of the gameRemember that era between chapter 1 and 2 when everyone thought DELTARUNE was gonna be an evil genocide route horror game? I know we have a lot more setup and foreshadowing to work with now, but i still think about that era every time someone brings up "predicting the entire plot"
>>729676887quick rundown?
>>729674943Man the roaring knight fight was so cool.Probably my favorite boss in both deltarune and undertale.https://youtu.be/5LMku77k4AY9D4DtQHZaZInWpndFirst time that toby managed to tickle my chuuni pickle.
>>729676887We are literally going to kill Susie and Ralsei, though. Genocide theory won in the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLicL9ndP3Anoelle confirmed to be 16, now shut up about her and the rest of the cast being middle schoolers
>>729677594>try to beat sans>have to do some shit in a bit.>decide to make one final attempt before I have to stop and leave>actually win>don't have time to watch the finale so save and quit>haven't assed myself to actually finish the gameI really should just beat the game.Feel kinda bad for them, but can't bitch out at the last second.
>>729677953That's for the better. You experienced all of genocide without losing your SOUL to Chara.
>>729675789To be fair, Toby as a writer is a complete cunt, so it could be interpreted in literally any way possible.
>>729674943Literally impossible because Toby learned the Front-loaded writing style from Hussie.You front load all the themes, symbols, meanings and connections in the story. And then as the story develops you pluck whatever fits the best and run with it.This is the Hussie Clans hidden technique [Retroactive Foreshadowing]
>>729678941I think it's Toby's way of telling players to not be so sure of the Knight's identity or about chapter 5. So many deltarune theorists open with "so we know that chapter 5 will be about asgore's dark world" like that's unambiguous canon, and dess knight has been treated the same way.The Knight could easily be a Darkner that somehow figured out how to exist in the Light World in non-object form, but needs to maintain a critical number of dark fountains to maintain this form. In this respect it'd be the opposite of Ralsei in almost every regard, a selfish being that only cares for itself.
>>729679887Flower shop Dark World with Asgore’s flowers as darkners is probably true. I can't see it being anywhere else after the intense foreshadow of it.
>>729679887To be fair I think a darkner/lightner hybrid is probably the easiest explanation, it would explain why the Knight is all weird while also explaining it's ability to open fountains and also exist in the light world, atleast to an extent. A pure darkner Knight doesn't make much sense based on what we know, it was stated that only lightners can open fountains, so unless Toby decides to break the rules of his own story(which I would not put past him), I really don't think that's what it's gonna be.
>>729680127I think it is probably true, but could also be not chapter 5. Hear me out:Deltarune's chapters being in reverse order from Undertale's areas is probably true, and has held up in the game's story:Chapter 1 - City and Asgore's Castle area in Undertale (forgor the name)Chapter 2 - COREChapter 3 - HotlandChapter 4 - WaterfallBased on this, Chapter 5 will be closest to Snowdin, which isn't exactly a garden area. It does line well with the Hometown festival having winter themes, the "cold wind" foreshadowing in Chapter 3 and the rain at the end of Chapter 4: just have the rain turn to snow. The Dark World will thus also be snowy, but that does not line well with the Flower Shop theory.If we go by this, Chapter 6 takes place in the Shelter (analogue of Ruins), and Chapter 7 in the Flower Shop (analogue of the starting area where Frisk falls on a bed of flowers). So Flower Shop is the final dark world, not the Chapter 5 one.
>>729680625Chapter 3 wasn't a lava land despite being Hotland. Chapter 4 had no water despite being Waterfall. Snowdin is a FOREST. It's the only forest in Undertale. So a garden representing Snowdin makes perfect sense.
>>729679559...but the technique you're referring to is "stealing fan theories"
>>729679887it's toby saying "when the only number you have is 1225 you're gonna put it into everything fucking idiot thats not the answer"
>>729681051True, only lava in Chapter 3 is during Tenna's crashout and only water in Chapter 4 is in the holy water waterfall. The garden in Asgore's unheated room/basement (divorced dad shit) could easily turn into a snowy wintry flower meadow and forest in the dark world.
>>729681415Asgore also has a suspicious freezer that Toby points out in the sixth anniversary stream.
>>729674943>>729204051
>>729682131Gaster is a cringe ass character.
>>729674943Someone probably has figured it out, same with the ending of One Piece and all other internet theory bullshit. A narrative can only subvert expectations so much without becoming a farce, with the amount of people trying to figure it out there's statistically almost certainty that at least one of them came to similar conclusions to what the writer has in mind.
>>729679887>>729678941Toby’s just taking the piss out of people who think the funny dess number is tied to everything, it’s not that deep. But what the fuck did Toby mean with this response?
In children dissociative identity disorder can sometimes manifest in a particular type of imaginary friend upon which they can rely for guidance, protection or even someone upon which they can shift accountability. These types of imaginary friends can be very helpful coping tools but can also be quite menacing or even dangerous to the child hosting them.
>>729682892(You) raped Noelle and she loved it.
>>729683203
whats the least gay ship in this game?
>>729683203did is fake shit made up by conspiracy theorists who don't know how malleable the mind is
>>729684067Kriselle and it isn't even close
>>729684067Dessriel. It's the only ship between an actual guy and a women. Kriselle would beat it if Kris was canonically a man.
>>729684067Berdsie
I don't give a shit if Knight is Dess, Carol or Noelle. Whatever happens, i will just stick with Susie and kill anyone else.
>>729677136when chapter 1 came out people thought we were going to get soulless chris genocidin' everyone. that's it
Post your cutest soos'
>>729684263Its legitimacy in the field of psychology is irrelevant when it is used as inspiration in a work of fiction. This case is similar to how Persona presents its psychological inspirations.
>>729684807a girl like no other
>>729684067>spiritually Kriselle>technically Ralsusie because Toby’s never going to confirm kris as a dude
>>729684737>Proved true by MantleThis fandom? Vindicated
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>>729680625We could also just have two Dark Worlds in Chapter 5, with one being in Holiday Manor(Snowdin) and the other in Asgore's shop(Ruins).
Reminder Susie is Kris first date and that's a big hint Krusie is the end game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L11FIv0HmVE
>>729684067Kris a male so Krusie and Kriselle
>>729685395Seriously can someone explain HOW the fuck troons use "mans world" as a proof Kris is Non Binary? Because some side note stated "Non men are ok too"? It was obviously an implication that mostly Kris should be interpreted as Man and then the side sign is for those who interpret him a a girl. There is nobody using "non binary" in entire game....
Do you niggers like the girls, because they are furbait or inspite of them being furbait?
threads are feeling hungry again2026 soon...
>>729685802In spite of. The more humanlike the better but characters like Susie and Noelle are just close enough to be hot. It's probably the hair since the UT characters don't really have human hair.
>>729685802Toby made Deltarune as the self insert fantasy to date monster girls, so they are made extra cute and endearing than in Undertale
>>729685556To be fair nobody uses the phrases gay, bi, or straight in either undertale or deltarune. Hell has Toby ever even called any of his characters gay in interviews or promotional stuff
>>729685802I am not a furry, so the later. But I like Underrune anthro girls anyways. Even if I prefer the non-anthro girls.
>>729684067Real aryan men ship Krusie or nothing at all
>>729685556The sign, yeah. People see "non-men" and thus assume Kris is neither gender even if the interpretation could be that Kris is a girl, and thus a "non-men"
How many people would have actually cared if kris was stated to be a guy from the start? Most of the undertale fanbase did give a shit about the they/them slop hell even during Ch1 of deltarune people were openly calling kris a dude. It wasn’t until around Ch2’s release that enough faggots got hooked on the “non-binary erasure” that people got anal about it. Literally all Toby had to do was say “kris’ gender is up to interpretation same as their skin tone lmao” and no one would have argued with him
>>729684737>Sword minigame has you murder hometown Yep, Kris is doing his best Dylan and Eric impression
>>729687082So this room is supposed to be Castle Town, right?
>>729687047Not much. Nobody really cared about Frisk and Chara's gender and portrayed them as girls with the occasional boys back in 2015-18, and like you said only in 2021 people really started making their whole identities off this. That's also when people like Shayy became popular, too.
>>729682892>>729683907She is so fucked up hot
>>729687826Kris is also fucked up. Eram says he loves the weird route.
>>729687697hot take: Frisk and Chara's genders literally do not matter and if you portray them as male or female, nothing changes.Kris is probably the only person of whom it matters enough and even then there isn't enough evidence to say one way or another by design.
Kris, chara and frisk are male, because I the player am male.
>>729688602This isn't a hottake. Frisk and Chara's gender literally doesn't matter in Undertale at all in the story. The only thing that matters is how you end up viewing the game and certain character relationships. Kris gender matters more but honestly I don't think it matters much, unless Kris is actually the girl in the prophecy (unlikely) or he's a man and Toby will end up revealing it once we separate from him to subvert our expectations.But in the end the androgynous design is purposeful for IMAGINATION purposes.
>>729688743Chara and Frisk are girl because their fanart is hot and Kris is a man because he's literally me.
>>729685556I don't know, why is a whole place called MANCOUNTRY that Kris feels outcasted in attracting gender identity shit?
>>729688883new lukewarm take: Kris' gender will never be revealed but it's not because they're either The Girl or because it'll be revealed once we separate, it's because Kris' job is to hold the Soul and being the equivalent of a Jar means their thoughts/opinions do not matter and their attempts to make them matter through subversion will only lead to them mattering even less.
>>729689180This is true. All humans are genderless because they are vessels and our connection to these worlds even if they aren't us. That's why they don't have any portraits or spoken dialogue like darkners or monsters.
>>729688267Why are they like this?
>>729688951>Chara and Frisk are guys, but their ruke 63 fanart is hotFtfy
>>729689541Thankfully they are genderless so "rule 63" for you means canon for me.
>>729689480They're a PUSSY
>>729689721Well good for you
