Why are so many people convinced that streaming will be the norm in the future when the laws of physics literally prevent it?>B-but streaming music and videos!Last time I checked, streaming music and videos don't require frame perfect button presses. It wouldn't matter how close that data center is. Light speed is simply too slow.
Only the richest will be able to afford local gaming. Game devs will design their games around the input lag.
>>729900893That's literally impossible. And do you really think any dev is actually going to do that?>I'm going to design my game around how it takes 3 whole seconds for your character to move after pressing the control stickNo, they're not going to do that. That's beyond retarded.
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>>729900713Most normies don't give a fuck about a frame or two of input lag. Most games already have bullshit inertia that makes them feel sluggish and unresponsive while praising them to the moon. I'm not saying this as someone who's pro streaming, but all the service needs to be is passable and for people not to be given the option otherwise (think devs not releasing games anymore only making them streamable) and they'll take it.
>>729900713>Light speed is simply too slow.you made me remember this
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>>729902047Google Stadia showed that its not even passable. Even on Amazon Luna, it makes the games virtually unplayable. It's impossible for game streaming to even be passable. The laws of physics simply disalow it.
I played poe2 for a month on geforce now and never had a problem
>>729900997RDR2 did
>>729900713>Why are so many people convinced that streaming will be the norm in the future when the laws of physics literally prevent it?Doomerism to a retarded degree.
>>729900713I really dont think cloud gaming is ever gonna take off, the tech exists and is essentially the best it can be today and not many people use it.they're up against the laws of physics with latency, the device in my house will always respond faster than the one in the city 300km away.and none of the subscription models for vidja have unseated steam/buying games, xbox is even running at a loss to try and poach sales and it's not working.I really have no idea what's gonna happen in this space if people cant afford hardware, why would companies rent server space to us when it could generate more investment dollars for AI? Hell, I remember when the Stadia was being demonstrated and they were having severe latency issues, even when the system was literally two feet from the server. Cloud gaming is not going to be a serious thing until they figure out how to break the laws of physics and have instant, literally magic transfer speed.
>>729900997That's what all server-authoritative multiplayer games already do. People barely notice the input lag in those. Fortnite for example.
>>729900713tried Luna recently, played some Indiana Jones and Fallout 4the quality was surprisingly good and it was responsive but Fallout started turning into macroblocks after leaving the vault kek
>>729904262No, server-authoritative multiplayer like Fortnite tolerates network latency to the game server (~15-30 ms RTT for nearby players), but cloud gaming piles on an unavoidable extra ~50-100+ ms of round-trip video streaming latency from your device to a remote data center, making the total input lag noticeably worse, even if players "barely notice" the multiplayer part alone.
>bunker troons trying to doomsay #3432
>>729902693Google stadia showed that a new console with no branding and exclusives is a failure. If Sony were to release an exclusive single player title and make it streaming only, they could likely get away with it
>>729905083So why haven't they done that? Almost like it isn't viable.
>>729900713While visiting my parents across the country, I played Wuchang Fallen Feathers on my 'eck by streaming it over Moonlight to my home PC.Granted it's only like 1700km but it was very playable, and that game requires some reactions.
people still play 30fps games on consoles right now what's a little more latency ?retards do not care and they outnumber you
>>729905334Not only would it be completely viable (not the same as good) it is literal only a question of the Overton window shifting enough that people tolerate it. Back in 2013 Microsoft were burned at the stake for trying to adopt a digital content centric strategy with Xbox One but now most people buy games digitally on console anyways and the same strategy that failed back then is the norm now.
>>729900713idk I beat BB by remote streaming. input lag wasn't an issue, it was about 20-40ms.
>>729900713I used to laugh at streaming as a concept. But given the state of modern computing, and modern games, I'm not sure anymore. Devs could just make games easier to account for lag. Most AAA games already border on being movies anyways. Price of hardware and lack of optimization will both worsen, not improve.
>>729900997When it wasn't having connection issues, PS remote play worked perfectly fine for streaming my PS4 games to my Vita and PC. I could play action games perfectly well with it. Frame perfect input isn't required for most games to be playable.
>>729906061Digital shift worked because it's better (instant access, sales). Cloud? Worse for core gamers always-online, lag, artifacts, no ownership (licenses revocable), data caps, outages. Stadia died despite hype; no tolerance for "good enough" in $70+ AAA.Local hardware wins: Sub-10ms latency, 4K/120fps native, offline. Cloud's a supplement for travel/low-end devices. Physics + user feedback ensure "fully streamed consoles" stay fantasy.
>>729906753>>729906093No, PS Remote Play even at its best in-home with no connection issues adds a measurable 90-160+ ms of input lag that makes action games noticeably inferior to local play. Your tolerance may vary, but objective tests and widespread player reports confirm it's sub optimal for precision/timing-heavy titles.https://electroiq.com/stats/cloud-gaming-statistics/
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>>729900713It's the future because that's what Sony and Microsoft want. The quality of the product is irrelevant.
>>729908648Do you have an actual argument or just doom mongering?
>>729900713You live in a world where one of the most widespread beliefs is that a Jewish zombie who was his own father can save your immaterial essence if you figuratively cannibalize his body and submit yourself as his bitch. How tf can people believing that streaming will be the norm be outside your boundaries of acceptance?
>>729907435Because the PS5 has dogshit wifi. If you plug in both devices with Ethernet, it should be lower. Using Chiaki would also help.Fucking Sony can't add proper Wi-Fi in any of their consoles.And no, my wifi isn't dogshit since every other device handles the full 1000/1000 internet speed without bitching.PS3 wi-fi was as dogshit as the one in the New 3DS.
>>729900997Literally every single multiplayer game in existence is designed around lag. input or otherwise. Not saying that your premise is wrong, I agree that streaming games will never take off as long as people still have PCs in their home and the laws of physics prove this.But to say that devs haven't been dealing with information delay is just plain false.
>>729908775What are you gonna do when the gaming industry draws the line and says no more consoles? You're gonna stream like everyone else.
>>729903582>break the laws of physics and have instant, literally magic transfer speed.Of which the implications and practical use of which is far greater than just video games.
>>729909536Anon, the fastest selling console ever right now is still using physical games.
>>729900713People are just stupid (and Zack is one of them)
>>729909073>>729907435it worked fine (I was playing on my PC on fiber internet) and it certainly wasn't less responsive than on your average TV of the time.
>>729902521>>729902586Leave it to japan to make fgc nerds look cool
>>729900713>Why are so many people convincedAs a whole, people are retards.
>>729900713Because fucking retards are the target audience for everything. People use wireless and phones, both of which are functionally worse in all ways and simultaneously cost more.
no one thinks its good, there are only execs who are trying to sell you something
>>729900997Nier Automata, read dead redemption 2, the last of us 2, astro bot and stellar blade did
>>729902521>>729902586Kek thanks for the laughSource?
Anyone who says there's massive lag either hasn't used it at all or has the issue is on their end
Every game ain't Sekkyro lil blud
>>729917402I can confirm that Xbox Clous Gaming is shit.
>>729900713You should try streaming locally with Apollo (fork of sunshine) and Artemis/Moonlight on your handheld devices. I streamed games to my fucking N2DS with almost zero input lag. For comparison it was better than with Bluetooth controllers in my pc. I played Silksong, MHFU, Dissidia and whatnot. Controls were very responsive. I then pushed it to the extreme by trying it on osu, rhythm doctor, bits and bops, muse dash and rift of the necrodancer as well and the delay was almost imperceptible (taking into account the natural audio delay on windows unfortunately) I did some "tests" interchanging between looking at my desktop and 2DS, using my keyboard for input etc. It was a surreal experience. Technology has come farThe aspect ratio is all fucked so low res and zoomed-in games work best for a N2DSXL but on a phone it looks like chefs kiss, wonder how good it'd be on a real switch or steam deck. This felt like a revelation to me and I ordered a wired mobile controller so I can play pc games in my bed
>>729902521>>729902586never read this but that's unironically true though, even a few ms of latency can affect performance, feel etc, the very fact that you have to send inputs to a server, then they have to be processed, and then they have to send the video back adds a fuck ton of delay compared to local, no matter how much you optimize things it will never be equivalenthas it gotten close though? probably more so than some would like to admit, it really depends on what kind of games you play and all that, although to me local will always be the comfiest since you have full control to mess with shit, so not just "regular" or "sanctioned" vidya by whatever service you're paying monthly for, but I can use mods, download niche titles or emulate shit all I want
>>729917828I can't find that many tests online, and they all don't really have numbers unfortunatelyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQQKph5Y7GMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf3fSoIRjQUI suppose in theory since it's a local network sort of thing, as long as you have a good enough router it should probably be okay because of the distance? I still have to assume there must be some added delay by the image though, you should also try getting a controller with a proper dongle on PC, the delay is much lower compared to bluetooth, check here for tested comparisonshttps://gamepadla.com/
>>729919238Thanks for this resource
>>729917828>MHFU can be played on 3DSkino
