I can't be the only one that finds the creative aspects of most indie games incredibly artificial, disingenuous, and forcedIt's such a stark difference compared to how things used to be done
>>731007728the "creativity" is just trying hard to look like old shit they have nostalgia for, it's kinda lame
>>731007728Read Simulacra and Simulation, you'll get it then.
>>731007827>old shit they have nostalgia forNot even, most zoomers never experienced any of the aesthetics they're trying to imitate.
Can you provide some examples of what you're talking about?
>NOOOOOOOOOO WHY CAN'T 1 OR TWO DUDES REPLICATE THE WORKS DONE BY TEAM OF DEVELOPERS?????
>>731007728I will say that I prefer the PS1/early CGI aesthetic over the "generic low-poly Unity game" aesthetic that was so popular in indie games around 10 years ago. They weren't even trying to disguise their laziness back then.
>>731007728can you be more specific on what you're talking about and give some examples
>>731007970The problem is, the years of accumulated knowledge, information, and techniques are all there. The entire point of technological advance was supposed to be that a few people SHOULD be able to replicate the results achieved by a large team of people a generation prior.In practice, what we actually have is people who would prefer to LARP as retro programmers and "invent" or "discover" things (new to them, not to the world) that have been perfected a thousand times over by people far smarter than themselves.
>>731008174How's your game lookin?
>>731007873Reading is for Jews and fags.>Simulacra and SimulationWTF is this?! Some kind of BDSM whore manual?
>>731007728jessewhat the FUCK are you talking about?is this some autism thing everyone else is too sane to understand?
Is this AI generated or what? What are you trying to say here?
>>731008845>some autism thing everyone else is too sane to understandMany such cases on 4chan. There's schizoposting, then there are many anons just referencing things they feel on a deep intimate level or built up entirely in their head. Sometimes it reads like an inside joke that nobody is able to understand.
>>731008845>>731008971>>731009014If you haven't noticed it yourself by now then there's no point in explaining it, it's like trying to explain color to the blind
I think it's fairly easy to tell when someone really understands what they're trying to make versus when they're cobbling together elements of games they like with only a vague idea of what they want the final product to be.But then I see some of the responses to this thread and think maybe it's not that easy.
>>731007728You aren't the only one to be mentally retarded, no.>ugh indies are so forced why can't things go back to being like they were back thenBecause there's almost nobody left who knows nothing about video games and doesn't have some narrow impression of what video games are "supposed to be".
>>731009047As a person who lived through every single generation of video games and their consoles/arcades, even I have no fucking clue to what the fuck you're talking about. Just because you don't have the verbiage to describe whatever concept you're trying to describe doesn't mean you're not fucking retarded.
>>731009209OP is almost certainly one of the types who objects to games being inspired by games in the first place rather than someone with enough sense to judge a game based on how much its creator understood the parts that went into it.
>>731009047no you retard you simply have no clue what you are talking about and i won't think for you on your behalf. you're probably another autistic boomer who got his nostalgic feelings hurts because things aren't exactly the same they used to be like in your formative years but you lack the mental capacity to comprehend what is happening so you blame the entire world for changing and will spend the rest of your life reminiscing about the good old days like every fucking generation since mankind learned how to talk.in other words go make a game but we both know you are too dumb for that
>>731008649A book about cultures forming fake societies based on second and third order nostalgia that is now removed from reality entirely.Think of the 80s and then the retro nostalgia 80s that never existed and people emulating that non-existent reality.
>>731009343Is he or are you just looking for something to be angry about?
>>731009612Maybe not, but complaining about the creative side of indie games being "artificial" is a pretty likely sign.
death to vaguepostingi do not live inside your head i cannot predict what shit got you riled up this fine saturday
>>731009846>newfag
>>731007728most feel overly irony poisoned
>>731009409Sorry dude but if you didn't notice this thing happening to every creative field in the last 20 years then that's on your lack of noticing ability
>>731009409oh I get it, the joke is that you're talking about lacking mental capacity to comprehend things while lacking the mental capacity to understand simulacra vs simulation
>>731009801Kinda just sounds like you're dense.
>>731010067Miyazaki's retarded view that being inspired by "real experiences" was the important artistic factor in any creation is not an argument.Understanding your inspiration and your medium is all it takes.
>>731010376Evidently not given that indie games all feel schizophrenic and severed from the real world as if they were made by aliens
>>731010448To you. To me the humanity is obvious.
>>731007728They are trying to recreate a style that was born from limitations, when those limitations do not exist anymore. Of course it comes off as disingenuous, though there are outliers, people who have a sense for style and make it look good.
>>731010517>blind man says the colors haven't changed they're the same as they've always been
>>731010673>nooo literally all indie games actually have some core artistic flaw because being indie is bad and uninspired>you're just blind if you think otherwise!>you're supposed to only make video games if you hate video gamesShut the fuck up
>>731009846they don't either. if they'd try to formulate their vague tummy feelings into a coherent argument it would expose how ridicolous they are
This whole thread is just retarded OP going on about some vauge shit and other anons trying to wrangle with it only for OP to go "UHH YOUR BLIND TO IT WHATS THE POINT?"pretentious asshat, fuck off and die
Id' love to make more diverse games but I'm a brainlet that doesn't know how to code. I only make small things on RPG Maker because of how easy it was to figure out. Are there any other similar programs that give you a bit more freedom?
>>731007728What was this fake game called again?
OP (cock gobbler): "Indies keep making thing I don't like, I'm going to pretend thing I don't like is creatively bankrupt and artificial so that I can gain a sense of superiority over it for not liking it" That's basically what's going on.
>>731007728>>731008174What you're actually seeing is the lowest barrier to entry for game dev in history. There's just so many people making games now and a lot of them don't have the pure, focused, original vision that solo/small devs used to need to get a project out the door.That said, Pico-8 is a good engine. Limitations always breed creativity, so I think an engine built around that to give young devs the experience of working within a fictional console's boundaries while having built-in tools to smooth out the process is a good thing.
>>731010779Not just indies, creative output in general has been fucked ever since the internet exploded in popularity with smartphonesYou can go watch literally any random old movie or TV show and instantly feel how much more real and tactile they are compared to basically anything released in the last 15-20 years Pic related is only a visual comparison but it extends to general creative and philosophical values as well, for example compare a real 80s movie to an ersatz like Stranger Things, then consider that soon we'll have people creating 80s-inspired media inspired only by Stranger Things
>>731010979Executive Incentive 97. Not fake as far as I know? It's just not out yet.
>>731007728Indeed, most indie games are made by creatively bankrupt Twittards farming attention and fake internet points. Really creative things, such as this, will cause them to recoil in fear and loathing.
>>731011290>Not just indiesThen you're not complaining about the same thing as OP. OP brings his complaint to bear specifically against indies. If you wanna complain that culture as a whole encourages people to understand nothing about the shit they like and just blindly chop it together, that I can agree with. But saying that applies to indies specifically, or to ALL games of any kind, is wrong.
>>731011691This sort of distant soullessness is to be expected from industry products, the fact indies suffer from them as well even though they should be personal expressions is extremely worrying
>>731009047There's always a point in explaining what you feel, Anon. Especially if and since other people can't understand you. Maybe it's because you don't understand yourself either and that's why you have to try.You're like a toddler crying, can't you put words on your emotions and thoughts?>>731009550(I know Baudrillard bro I wanted to shitpost.)Anons don't read, they don't even play the games they talk about. But yeah it's an essential read nowadays.
>>731011290>decide to rewatch Buffy since my friend hasn't seen it>remember that the first season and a half is really jank, hope we can get through it fast>rewatching it now, sure it's cheesy and bad a lot of the time but it still looks cool as fuck compared to modern slop
I feel it too. Modern indies simply do not care about pandering to normalfags wearing nostalgia goggled. It's a good thing, and you suck cock, OP.
>>731012371This sort of distant soullessness and disconnection is a problem with society as a whole, of course it's coming through in indies too. My point is that if it's all you see in an indie you're probably mentally ill.
>>731007728Millennials were a mistake
Peak of indie creativity
>>731014089Never played Undertale but a solo indie dev taking inspiration from Cave Story makes a lot of sense. Kero Blaster is Pixel's better game though.
>>731014089It's never really been a secret that Undertale and Deltarune are just Toby doing and referencing things he thinks are cool or is nostalgic for. Asriel is named after an RPG character his brother made.
>>731014306>Asriel is named after an RPG character his brother made.
>>731014089Underfags are incredibly pathetic, but they're mostly kids, homos, and women anyway so it's inherent.
>>731014367Well, wrong source but same deal. Toby thought it was cool so he put it in the game.
>>731007728Trooncore, artificial nostalgia for things they never experienced themselves
>>731007728I don't know how anyone can compare Blue Revolver to like... Muchi Muchi Pork and not see it as a direct upgrade. Maybe you're just unintelligent and confusing superficial visual aesthetics with gameplay aesthetics, and thinking the former is an indicator of "creativity".
>>731014586I don't think you understand what creative aspects entail
>>731014670Art is not creative and its not the focus of games. The aesthetic is the gameplay, and regardless of whether it takes place in gameplay or audiovisually all works are built on the backs of their predecessors. I think you should disconnect your internet and meditate on this truth for a few months before making such an annoying thread again.
>>731014808>Art is not creative
>>731014883I miss when bad artists were called cartoonists, these people are getting awfully pretentious over their doodles.
>>731009047Try explaining it to yourself, maybe you'll learn something new even if they don't.
>>731014932I miss when you were called a gigantic cock sucking megafaggot
>>731015230Artists do their best work when they are suffering. It's time to recognize that art is the lowest task a man can perform in his life and treat the people who engage in it accordingly.
>>731007728That's because they take most of their inspiration from other games and not other forms of media or real life.
>>731015348Nothing wrong with taking inspiration from games, only from failing to understand what you're inspired by.
>millennial slop peaked with legitimately regressive pixel art>zoomie slop appears to be peaking with soulless imitations of ps1 graphics and frutiger aero desu i look forward to zoomies approaching unc status and becoming irrelevant already. at first they seemed hopeful but their fetishization of this shit is just as cringe as the millennials that got stuck on the idealization of the 40's/50's back in the 2010's.
>>731007728layest thou thine eyes upon this thread>>>/3/1014066
>>731015960Very nice.
Designing games to look their bestVsDesigning games to be as cheap as possibleThis is why I never play indie trash, especially without a physical release
Kinda scary to think it will only get worse
what i don't get is why instead of just upscaling something that's meant to look " retro" they instead apply a ton of filters that look like shit
>>731007728Where are they supposed to get the money to make what you want to see? Your ass?
I find the creative aspects of most art to be incredibly artificial, disingenuous, and forced.
>>731018190In that case I hope you live in a concrete box
We are currently living in the "Style over substance" generation. You can pretty much get away with anything if you make your presentation look recognizable or appealing. No need for breaking boundaries or standing out if you could do MemphisY2KFrutiger walking sim number 19293029237.
