Steamies are scrambling as Valve is forced to be more pro consumer. Why are the indoctrinated like this? it's about fucking time we collectively remembered how good the internet was before Steam.
timmy thread
they're already pro consumer, the only step up would be letting you play your games without needing steam
>>732306249Fuck off you gay retard.
>source: a clickbait youtube thumbnailTimmy's not sending his best.
>>732306342>>732306402>>732306448>>732306503cope and seethe, this lawsuit is going to force Valve to cooperate
>>732306572you don't even pay for your games
>>732306402cant be pro-consumer without first being pro-producer.
>>732306656That doesn't make any sensePro-corporation is inherently anti-consumer
timmy are you oktimmy are you okare you ok timmy
>>732306249Tim thread spottedHere comes the pajeets
>>732306249Good morning, saar.
>>732306656>pro-producer99.9% of indie games are shitsteam has objectively gotten worse since you started flooding it with low quality trashware
>>732306572>valve cooperates>my games get cheaper and i continue using steamerm ok lmao?
>>732306249Valve doesn't really produce anything. They have like 5 games and 3 pieces of hardware all of which they support great. So they can't really be pro-consumer. Either way I don't really get why anyone would be mad if Valve made Steam nicer. Don't really give a shit if the company with the highest wealth-per-employee makes a little less. Love Steam. Fuck the Epic Chink Launcher. OP is a faggot.
"aagghh auuuggghh gobble gobble Timmy's china-flavored peepee is stuck in my throat" ahh thread
Israeli Rothschild thread as a distraction from the E files
I'm not interested in PC gaming until they bring back game ownership.
>>732306689being pro-corpo (steam) is being anti-consumer and anti-producer
>>732306342timmy /thread
So wait, OP is saying that valve is going to make all of the other stores even less relevant with the backing of the government? If so then i agree.
>>732306713most digital stores have ten to a hundred times the submissions but invest in algorithms that surface relevent content to their most likely audience.steam doesnt bother with that, its perfectly happy with you thinking theres nothing but slop.
Unless the difference in price is super significant I would still be buying the game on Steam. Assuming I even buy it as not selling it for the best price on Steam makes me want to pirate it instead, or wait for significant sale on Steam or buy Steam key for a discount from a 3rd party key site. If the pub/dev doesn't want to offer me the best possible price on the best platform then fuck'em.
>>732306724NOOO SAAAR YOU WEREE SUPPPOSED TO SWITCH TO EPIC SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
The faster Steam dies, the better. As a game dev, the fact their monopoly suffocates all competition and refuses to pay equally unless your game makes a trillion dollars disgusts me. I'll never publish on Steam ever again.
>>732308036Glad your AIslop shiteogames aren't taking off, ransheesh
>>732306734>agrees with OP>calls him a faggot regardlessWouldn't that make you a faggot too?
I see alot of Nintendo fans behind this push, as they despise the idea of steam and PC gaming existing. I don't get why, I thought they were all PC+Switch idorts.
>>732306249Valve is already pro consumer, Epicfaggot.That's why developers hate Valve and Steam.
>>732306689This
>>732306689So Steam is anti-consumer?
>>732308206>I see alot of Nintendo fans behind this push, as they despise the idea of steam and PC gaming existing. I don't get why, I thought they were all PC+Switch idorts.That's because Valve made handheld PCs way more popular, which in a way affect Nintendo
>>732308206>PC means SteamOh you sweet summer child
>>732306249>"We must kill Steam">"Why?">"They are successful and offer everyone a service they enjoy, we do not...so Steam must die">"But...why don't we just make a service better than Steam?">"Are you insane? Nobody can do that!"
remidner that gabe is assraping the world's filthiest kike in court right now
>>732308389Steam is just a convenient target. Nintendo fans also hate GOG by extension because, and I quote, "you can't own digital games". Funny thing, Timmy Tencent also hates Gog because he thinks anyone supporting linux is the devil.
>litiguous troll company that sues people not aiming to win but to extort settlementsThe fags suing valve in the UK did the same shit with playstation why does anyone think they are pro consumer? Also their lawsuit cite' Timmy's objectively false tweets as evidence LMAO.
>>732306249anyone who is against this company sucks aids cocks in hell
>>732308473This. Patent troll that has pissed off the entire industry finally fucked with the wrong person. Tried suing, got his nuts slapped and has tried to call the whole thing off. Judge says its too late, you're going to pay for your fuckup
>>732307885Granted the majority of jeets here are plsyatsation fanboys despite not being able to afford a ps5.
>>732308206>I don't get whyBecause there a handful of very vocal terminally online tendies who hate anything that isn't Nintendo that are here and few other places online consolewarring with the usually faggotry that goes with it.The average Nintendo fan really doesn't care about any of this (frankly most people don't in general)
>>732308539What's wrong with hating Steam and other PC storefronts for revoking ownership rights?
Amazing how people forgot how much of a hellscape digital distribution was before Steam ascended to primacy. Even with Steam as a successful template, big companies with the actual resources to create a comparable platform still fail or refuse to do so. Breaking up the market again so we have to suffer terrible publisher specific platforms or even more different types platform of keys being sold benefits no one. And if anything it would just spark a significant resurgence of piracy as the norm again.
>>732308036now show us your game
>>732306342>>732306503>>732306693>>732306694Stupid butt hurt same fag!Kek!
Timmy bros...
>>732308880You cannot hate GOG for revoking ownership rights because they're the only storefront where you can legit own your games forever. Not even physical games give you that guarantee. Tell me, can you take a super nintendo cartridge and put it into an N64, or a Nintendo switch, and have it work? You can't? It only works with a Super Nintendo, and if yours breaks down, you have to pray that you can find a second hand one on ebay and hope that it works? Doesn't sound like meaningful ownership to me.Meanwhile, you buy a game on GOG, and the installer works forever. You can switch operating systems, PCs, you name it, and it still works. Forwards compatibility is given priority.>B-BUT YOU CAN'T SELL ITStop buying shitty games that you don't want to keep. Problem solved.
>>732308863It's the other way around. There's a massive contigent of PC vegans who never leave their desks hate anything thay isn't PC. They war with EVERYTHING including any PC storefront competing with their lord Gaben. Just ask them. I'm an idort who just happens to love Nintendo. Sorry for committing this crime.
>>732308880Why stop at PC when all consoles do it too? This isn't 2008 anymore.
>>732309020>I'm an idortWhy are you lying?
american corporate fanboyism is the most deranged thing spiritually jewish tribal narcissism
>>732306249timmy tencent STILL seethingbuy a yacht instead of eating remotes Tim
https://youtu.be/J4nVIMh1eYo?si=lUZMIjvqY4ilJuWbReminder that steam won so hard that even Epic admitted defeat and are FINALLY adding in features to actually compete with Steam.They're fucking restructuring their whole store and admitted that it was fucking shit
>>732309016>storage drive breaks>not allowed to download installer anymoreYou no longer own your game.
>>732309087Normally I strongly agree but as far as billionaires go Gabe is probably the least shitty of them all while his "competitors" are total dirtbags so I think he's wroth defending.In all other contexts though anyone personally identifying with consumer products like a cultist is indeed subhuman cattle.
>>732309242>have multiple storage backups>one breaks>have another ready to goGood thing I can make infinite copies of my installer. Meanwhile you're stuck with one copy of your game. All that console DRM sure does suck.
>>732309020>PC vegans>I'm an idortYeah doubtfulAnd frankly the only vegans here are fags like you who have to let everyone know you've arrived even when it has nothing to do with you.
>>732309016Oh this is a great bait post. >You cannot hate GOG for revoking ownership rights because they're the only storefront where you can legit own your games forever. Not even physical games give you that guarantee.You can't own digital games. I don't care that you have access to an infinite supply of copies of games. So do I. It's irrelevant to me.>Tell me, can you take a super nintendo cartridge and put it into an N64, or a Nintendo switch, and have it work? You can't? It only works with a Super Nintendo, and if yours breaks down, you have to pray that you can find a second hand one on ebay and hope that it works? Doesn't sound like meaningful ownership to me.Interesting. So you can run your GoG games through Steam? I didn't know that. Tell me more, disingenuous lying shill for a brand. >Meanwhile, you buy a game on GOG, and the installer works forever. You can switch operating systems, PCs, you name it, and it still works. Forwards compatibility is given priority.I don't care.>B-BUT YOU CAN'T SELL IT>Stop buying shitty games that you don't want to keep. Problem solved.My problem isn't selling, my problem is not owning. Can you answer one question for me? Why do you not want to own games? On PC you used to be able to own games, AND have the exact same benefits you just mentioned. Ownership and infinite duplicates aren't mutually exclusive things. This used to exist on PC. Why did you want to lose ownership rights, and then defend losing it? Are you a shill for a corporate brand or something?
>>732309087>xir says this while slurping timcock for free
>>732309020>PC vegansIs it ever not just the one faggot spamming this forced term that doesn't even make sense?
>>732309082I'm not lying.>>732309052Because console digital storefronts didn't replace physical ownership.
>>732306795Then you;re not interested in any form of gaming unless you only play games you made yourself. PC gaming is the closest you can possibly get to actually owning and controlling the games you buy.
>>732309447Why do you doubt that I have a Nintendo, Xbox, playstation and a PC?
>>732309595>Because console digital storefronts didn't replace physical ownership.Yet
>>732309651My question would be why bother owning an Xbox if you have the others? Gamepass?
>>732309545Yup it's me. Are you angry at me or something? I was called a tendie earlier and it didn't bother me. Why are only PC vegans assblasted about it?
>>732306342>>732306503>>732306935What the fuck is a "timmy"? Is that some made up sharty forced meme term?
>>732309647No that's false. You can't own digital games and that's all PC has now.
>>732309525>You can't own digital gamesI can still play my 2012 purchases any time I want, with no limitations. Your shitty console games are tied to dated and dying hardware. Your "ownership" is fleeting.>So you can run your GoG games through Steam?Yes you can, as a matter of fact. There's an option called "add non-steam game to library" which lets you utilize the client for any non-steam game.>I don't care.Yes yes, because you're a tranny. We know that.>Can you answer one question for me? Why do you not want to own games?I own my games more than you do.
>>732309757admitting to being a spamming samefag schizo isn't the win you think it is
>>732309747Because Xbox is the best console brand at the moment. Best controllers, gamepass, best internet services, etc
>>732308206It's because PC is winning. They liked it as an excuse to shitpost against Sony when it was some niche nerd thing, but now it's objectively way better for gaming and a threat against consoles. They want to perpetuate their dead little consolewar, not see PC slowly choke out their beloved DRM box.
>>732309856Neither is being a tranime spamming NEET on 4chan.
>>732306249HELLO SAARS
>>732309818>>732309757Get a life, aspie
>>732309768lurk more, newnigger
>>732306249>steam pulls out of the yookaywhat are the chances?
>>732309850Sorry, you didn't answer my only question I asked after I replied to every point in your post. I'm not reading or replying to anything in this chain as you have lost the privilege to communicate with me.
>>732309545It's a butthurt sonyfag who's been forcing it for months
>>732309998Get a life, PC vegan.
>>732309937>tranimeCan't help yourselves, huh
>>732310175Years. And that's wrong, I fucking hate Sony
>>732310096Next to zeroThere isn't really a reason to pull out since>The case is just starting>Pulling out of an entire region because they are being sued from a group in it wouldn't help their case and cause more problems>The group in question has thrown litigation at just about any company they might scrounge up a case against, like Sony and Jagex so not exactly a massive threat
>>732310147Your question was a falsehood, based on a wrong assumption. Next time ask something that's actually rooted in reality.
>>732309190No point in social features if nobody is using it. That's like the last thing they'd need to focus on.
>>732310229Is that another word that triggers you? This seems to happen a lot. Can I recommend becomming more secure as an adult male? This comes from simply putting in effort and logging hours. You aren't a victim of anything other than yourself.
>>732308880When has steam revoked ownership?
>>732310175It's a rabid tendie. He's as obsessed and autistic as the fag who spams eric nonstop to try and shutdown any criticism of nintendo.
>>732310348At their conception. They never offered it.
>>732310403You own a license for the product. Which is actually the same thing "physical" games sold you, just through a different means of distribution
>>732310393>>732310246>>732310343You're not fooling anyone. -38383626 karma for sony
>>732310440>You own a license for the productNo, you don't. You can't own digital licenses because they're non tranaferable. They're always locked to the host site.
>>732310508Lol good. Fuck sony
>>732310516Only if you're a corpo cuck.
>>732310516You're just arguing semantics at this point
>>732310516>they're non-transferrable>buy game on GOG>download installer>delete my account>installer is still on my computerWell, would you look at that, I own it. :D
>>732310594Sure.>>732310625Sure.>>732310638That's an unlicensed copy. You have no legal ownership.
>>732306249>The lawsuit - filed at the Competition Appeal Tribunal in London - alleges Valve "forces" game publishers to sign up to conditions which prevents them from selling their titles earlier or for less on rival platforms.Oh wow it's fucking nothing, same shit people have been trying and failing to pin on them for ages.
>>732310625>semanticsThat's what the whole ownership debate turns into every god damn time.Usually 2 or 3 retards will argue about ownership each using their own very specific definition that if not 100% met it doesn't count no matter what points are made.This will continue ad nauseam until either they get bored or the thread dies.
>>732309190>Heard for years from Epic shills that Steam's features were """bloat"""I wonder how they feel about this.
>>732309595>Because console digital storefronts didn't replace physical ownership.>only 90% of it, so that makes it ok
>>732308880You haven't had ownership rights in a decade.Reminder that every console is pushing for the same thing because they have historically hated and lost money over used game retailers forever. But clearly the Switch 2 is Steam's fault, right?>>732309190Epic has done more damage to their brand with exclusivity buyouts than their shitty store or launcher.>>732310638This doesn't give you a "right" to send that installer to your friend like sending him your game cart. It's just piracy with less steps, no different from me downloading a game through steam, running the common steamapi.dll crack, and then sending it to someone.Mind you, I prefer GoG's method of handling things, but don't think that having a DRM free installer you paid for is some kind of magic anti-lawsuit spell if you did something REALLY loudly and publically retarded with it.
>>732310768Well now that Epic is doing it they are welcome and good features.Yet despite how much EGS was free from their definition of "bloat" it sure felt like the bloated software in comparison.
>>732310842>I prefer GoG's method of handling thingsI would agree if their newer installers didn't use dogshit compression that takes 10 years to unpack. For small games it's fine, which is most of their catalog anyway, but anything bigger can take fucking ages to install. Meanwhile you've got repacks made by some random dipshit online that manage to compress the files into a smaller size and install faster
>>732310516And console games are always locked down and shackled to the console, and now the consoles you don't even own. It's DRM on a hardware level. If you care more about reselling a game key card and losing the game than actually having access to and control over the game itself, you need to stop being poor and get your priorities straight.
>>732310768They don't feel anything, they were paid to say that.
>>732310708>that's an unlicensed copyNot if I kept the receipt, which I do for most purchases.>>732310842>but don't think that having a DRM free installer you paid for is some kind of magic anti-lawsuit spell if you did something REALLY loudly and publically retarded with it.I bought a DVD of Star Wars and then broadcast it in a public park without Disney's permission, and they sued me?!I guess I don't own physical media either.
>>732310894Yeah I find steam's launcher awkward and bloated sometimes, but the epic launcher is a fucking abomination. Luckily it's easier to make an alt launcher for it at least, I use heroic. Not buying anything from Timmy's store though, just claiming free shit.
>>732310756>That's what the whole ownership debate turns into every god damn timeNo, that's what PC vegan attempt to turn the debate into every time. It's extremely simple. To own licensed media it needs to exist on a physical apparatus. Digital media can't be owned, it's a file someone else hosts for you to use. You can own a book, you can't own a digital kindle ebook. You can own a CD or vinyl, you can't own an itunes file. You can own Resident Evil 4 GCN disc. You can't own RE4 Steam digital file. Here's a litmus test for ownership: can you sell it legally? If you can, you own it. If you can't, you don't.
>>732306795Modern console gaming only sells you a license as well
People forget that when Steam first launched people absolutely hated it, it was the online game distributor equivalent of horse armor. Over the years people got used to it because it was the only decent online service of its type. Now Steamies are brainwashed in to loving it due to their decades of achievements and TF2 inventories.At this point Valve is a monopoly, gaming would be better if it was broken up or crashes and burns.
>>732311097This is pathetic, snoy
>>732311090>I bought a DVD of Star Wars and then broadcast it in a public park without Disney's permission, and they sued me?!I mean they could have if they wanted to. Being so far below their radar they don't bother doesn't mean they couldn't.
@732310832Did you have something you wanted to ask me? Autisticly mumbling things I never said isn't an argument.
>>732311097This image confuses zoomers and 3rd world retards
>>732311134So true, my Rothschild brother
>>732310842>You haven't had ownership rights in a decade.I recently bought this game I own so that's false.
>>732311097You are such a retarded gorilla nigger it's staggering. What do you think is on a CD? It's a digital file. What do you think is on that resident evil disk? Digital files. It's just a different fucking medium, hard drive vs cd. If you're talking about stuff that needs an internet connection, sure, but there is zero functional difference between having a CD installer for a game or having a gog installer stored on your drive.
>>732311097>>732311194>>732311220>buy Switch 2 game>not allowed to make 100 copies and give them to my friendsWTF You guys said I owned the game.
>>732311026>And console games are always locked down and shackled to the consoleThat's how I know I own it.>and now the consoles you don't even own. It's DRM on a hardware level. Completely false, I own my consoles.>If you care more about reselling a game key card and losing the game than actually having access to and control over the game itself, you need to stop being poor and get your priorities straight.No my priorities are just fine.
HUHUHUH I LOVE PAYING GAMEI PAYAND THEN THEY GIVE ME DOWNLOAD TO GAMEWHAT COULD GO WRONG>sir please update to the most expensive version of windows. Your computer time is expired. Your digital license will no longer function without Steam Vapor (R) which needs at least 1037291010383820202 DDRAM and a dragon to run
>>732311090>Not if I kept the receiptNo, at that point its just an authorized copy.
>>732311385>>732311296Can someone help me? My SNES cart doesn't work on my switch 2. You guys said I owned the game, so why doesn't it work on future hardware?
>>732306249the lawsuit is about being more developer friendly which in the end will fuck over the consumer.faggot tim sweeny has been seething for half a decade now over steam and gaben
>>732311090>and then broadcast it in a public park without Disney's permissionYes, actuallyhttps://us.mplc.com/blanket-license/
>>732311194Yeah computer games specifically tried to prevent sale of your licensed property but that was struck down, and rightfully so. I think that's why PC moved to digital so they could further control what their users are able to do.PC is in a sad state.
>>732308619found the indian
Funny how the nigger shills dont have a problem with epic having a nearly monopoly with unreal 5 engine. Timmy Tencent cant even maintain his own store but thinks he deserves the entire PC market.
>>732308919This but the opposite, we'll be back to owning our games again and not fighting off globo homo everytime we want something beneficial to the common man.
>>732311280Yeah, it's so simple someone as dumb as you could understand. If it's licensed physical media, you can own it. If it's licensed digital media you can't. Do you understand yet?
>>732311528>have to pay a fee>can't charge money for exhibitionWTF is this commie shit? You said I owned my physical media.
>>732309016>can you take a super nintendo cartridge and put it into a SNESfixed that for you, and yes.
>>732311286No I didn't. I never said you owned the copyrights or the intellectual property. I said you owned the media. These are different things.
>>732311678A CD copy is not physical media. It's digital media on a storage device.
>>732311732>>732311739But why is it restricted to the SNES? I own the cartridge, it should work on any future nintendo console. Otherwise you just bought a ticking time bomb fake license, not a product.
>>732309020You can tell that's the case because they have names for everything, they call you a tendie, they call you a timmy, ect. These are not terms console gamers use. but Indians
>>732311464That's because the game you own is designed to run on only Super Nintendo. Hope this helps.
>>732311296>Completely false, I own my consoles.Then crack it open, modify it, and send Nintendo a nice little letter about how proud you are of your work.You own it, so you should be able to do that and I'm sure you'll get a nice little letter back about how proud they are of you.
>>732311464 saar you need to rent our emulator for that game to work saaar!
>>732311723You sound like you're about to learn a lot about broadcasting restrictions. It's wild that streaming video games has just been a thing that slid under the radar because its neither a film nor music (though they will happily copyright strike certain music tracks if they can)
>>732309525They do it because they're completely institutionalized.
>>>/trash/
>>732311810>Nintendo restricts my purchase to only work on specific hardwareSo you don't own it. What a ripoff.
This is another attack on pc gaming to move towards a billionaire owned cloud only future. It's inevitable. This is what you voted for. Everything you own will be rented out by billionaires who will milk every bit of money you earned by working for them.
Who the fuck is timmy
>>732306402>pro consumer>you don't own your games
>>732311773>digital media on a storage device.That's what is call physical media. As opposed to digital media which only exists as a computer file and has no physical component. I'm glad I could teach you this.
>>732306249I remember SecuROM and StarForce
>>732311739You sure as hell don't own the media either, you literally only own the plastic. Unless you meant you own the storage medium that media is on.
>>732311784>But why is it restricted to the SNES?Because it is physical media as opposed to digital media. It's designed to run on designated hardware.
>>732311880>So you don't own it.That's incorrect. You have legal ownership.
>>732311670>epic having a nearly monopoly with unreal 5 enginewat
>>732306656That's why all the games on epic are so much cheaper than on steam, because being pro-producer and giving them a bigger cut lets them pass those savings onto the customer, right? I get that valve taking a big cut is greedy, but they don't engage in gross anti-consumer behavior, like epic does with its exclusives. GOG -is- more pro-consumer, but they don't have as large a userbase and a generally worse client than steam. They are better than steam in their niche, which is getting "good old games" to work, and is why I generally buy most of my boomer games from their storefront.Valve has a convenient pre-existing multiplayer system that when done properly works great. Epic's is abysmal. (I would know, I've used both). It has a large user base (and because economies of scale exist, makes a 30% cut worth regardless, I would know, I've worked on a game and seen the revenue between the stores, it was literally 48:1). It is also nice for both multiplayer games and server owners to look into user information for anti-cheat purposes. Controllers in large just work, and have convenient systems to make them work. The review system, while prone to brigading and shitposting, is in large convenient enough to get relevant information to the top pages. Steam support has replaced hardware, both devkit and personal as well as handled refunds with minimal hassle. It took me 3 weeks to get communication with Epic to even go anywhere.Ultimately, people use steam because it is objectively the better platform. That's all there is to it. Until there's a storefront that actually gives users both first sale rights and zero DRM, the only thing that matters is customer service, and that's something that valve actually understands.
Now imagine if fucking GOG was the market dominator.
>>732306249Valve is more pro-consumer than any major game company cuz they facilitated the rise of indie devs and easy modding. They only thing they're missing is the ability to sell games, but I find modding, user customizability, being able to crack your games to make more copies to be way more worthwhile than selling your games. I have like 10 switch games I never feel the need to sell them.I've had way more fun with 5 dollar steam indie titles than 50-60 buck nintendo switch games.
>>732312071That doesn't answer my question. Here, I'll try to rephrase it.I physically own a PC copy of Starcraft and Starcraft: Brood War, which I bought around the 2000's. I bought them more than 2 decades ago, and yet they still work on any computer i own. Just have to install them. Why isnt' this the case for consoles? Why do I have to have an old system just to play a game I bought? Why isn't it future compatible?Console games are shitty, locked down pieces of garbage, and even 25 year old PC games give you more freedom.
>>732312158>and giving them a bigger cut lets them pass those savings onto the customer, right?I remember the first thing Square Enix did was raise the price by $10 immediately after going epic exclusive.Shit was comedically timed.
>>732311784SNES cartridges work in a Gamecube
>>732311974If it's on a computer it's on a physical medium
>>732311976I don't because X3 wasn't worth buying
>>732306249But steam already won? I dont get itIf anything fortnite and call of duty are on the chopping block and they cant win (because they're doing illegal things)
>>732312002>You sure as hell don't own the media either, you literally only own the plastic. Unless you meant you own the storage medium that media is on.Anon, medium, and media are just different pluralities of the same word. You're arguing semantics.
>>732309768Long story short; yes.
>>732312158Epic funded Kingdom Hearts being ported to PC, for a limited time exclusivity to their storefront. Everyone who waited for it to come to Steam is a cultist.
>>732312205>Why isnt' this the case for consoles? Why do I have to have an old system just to play a game I bought? Why isn't it future compatible?See >>732312071
>>732312176That can happen once Valve gets hit with a cudgel enough.
>>732312389Next platform they will release on is GOG. It's a matter of WHEN though. Final Fantasy is getting put on there. If KH is on GOG it'll be my go-to store from then on
>make game free on epic for the weekend>it sells for 200% more on steam during the same periodImagine having a store so bad people would prefer to buy the developers game over getting it for free from you Timmy
>>732312306A computer isn't media, it's hardware that is used to run media.
>>732312454I'll buy it when it's on Switch 2, fully physical.
>>732306249lol shut the fuck up. It was never good before steam. Unless you were a CD key gen crack fanatic. Steam was great for lobbies in 1.6 counter strike but old lobbies did have more soul. More like game companies became corporate fucks not providing server based game play anymore. Steam did good compiling all those servers together.
>>732306249Good morning sir!
>>732312469Imagine being that brainwashed you would rather spend money on something free.
>>732312502Nice.
>>732312421>Because it is physical media as opposed to digital media. It's designed to run on designated hardware.Then you don't own your physical games. Imagine needing "designated hardware" just to play something you bought. The only determining factor should be whether it's strong enough to play it. If I can play Doom on a Ti83 calculator, nobody else has an excuse.
>>732312502What happens when nintendo shuts down the serivce? You cannot play switch 2 games without connecting to nintendo servers
>>732312525You're too young to remember how it was, you allowed others to fill your head with bullshit.
>>732308473>>732308669QRD?
>>732312558That's the lesser of two evils, retard.Also I probably wouldn't get it unless as I said it's fully physical.>>732312592Then I still play the game I own, you didn't really consider that did you. Cartridge go into console.
>>732312362Then say you only own the storage medium and not the game because media is a very broad word and could also refer to the content of the game, which you certainly do not own.
>>732312491A hard drive is physical media
>>732312502That's just because you're a console warrior. You've never bought games on any other console, even when they were physical. You never even bought PC games when they had physical releases. So stop pretending that you care about muh phyiscal.
>>732312686But you literally cannot play the game, the main gotcha here is that you got a receipt for it in the form of a cartridge that you cant use?
>>732312728No, I am free from your ideologies. I enjoy the Switch 2, if Kingdom Hearts comes to it fully physical I would get it.
This is the only time I feel like this meme is applicable atm.
>>732311671The core issue is that there is basically no way that a return to physical product would happen. Production and distribution overheads are a significant factor, and at this point the actual physical medium for them don't have the storage for a lot of modern games. Don't get me wrong I would love to have physical product for long term ownership and other benefits, but it simply isn't coming back or returning to how it was before unless they develop and push a new physical media standard that is cheap to produce. And given how unpolished and buggy modern games tend to be imagine having to rely upon individual corporate servers for updates etc rather than centralised platform servers with a global presence. There are real hurdles to ever seeing a return to the way things used to be unfortunately.
>>732312740That's not reality, anon. When the servers go down you still put the cartridge in and play the game on it.
>>732312698Yup, and like all physical media it passes the litmus test, it can be sold, so you own it.
>>732312773See, there you go, lying again.
>>732312819And I have files on that hard drive, that I own. If you disagree, then you also don't own the files on your CD or cartridge
>>732312574>Then you don't own your physical games.False if/then statement.
>>732312801They could just put games on Blu-Ray.
>>732312652I don't know all the details but I do know valve is trying to get him to be personally liable, not just his shell company
>>732312695Correct, there is a difference between media, and the IP on that media. Good job anon.
>>732311976The god damn media kikes region locking drives and discs was a massive bullshit tactic too. Especially given that you could change the region for your drive, but the hardware manufacturers kowtowed to them and set a limit on how many times you could do that.
>>732312834Are you so far gone you have this idea that I should pledge allegiance to a specific platform or something, that's sad.
>>732312869I can play my 25 year old PC games on any PC I own. You can't even play your SNES cart on non-snes consoles. So much for "ownership".
>>732308919This. See Exhibit A pic related.
>>732306249I am betting epstien people are behind it. Gabe said no to games with ads and micro transaction now this is happening. I hope god protects him
>>732312856>And I have files on that hard drive, that I ownFiles of games? No, you don't own those. Those are unlicensed copies you made.
>>732312953You call people PC vegans because they like having game installers. So yes, you're a console warrior who pledges loyalty to Nintendo, and their closed ecosystem.
>>732310708>physical drm >exists to control the consumer>can't copy game files>can't mod>digital drm >optional on the dev side>exists mostly to control publishers>can crack game files easily>can mod games easilySeems you have more control with digital means.
>>732312964Now lets see the first version of Steam that Half Life 2 required.
>>732313001I don't need your gay terminology, you're a freak.
>>732312954That's the same false if/then statement from before. You just, avoided using the words "if" and "then"
>>732313019Indeed, digital gives you more control over games. Just make sure to pirate it and not purchase it legally since you can't own digital games.
>>732313112That's not an if/then statement. I can play my 25 year old games on any hardware I please. You can't.
>>732311671>This but the opposite, we'll be back to owning our games again >>732312876>They could just put games on Blu-Ray.In what world do you think they WANT to pay more money for disk printing, shipping, and stocking fees on top of everything else?You're completely delusional if you think any business is "on your side", because theres nothing stopping them from doing so right now if they actually wanted to.Digital is the future, not because its better or because we want it, but because it makes them more money with less work no matter what the downside is.
if you can't legally sell or transfer the license then it's not ownership, even physical copies of shut down like the crew on ps4 allow you to do thisthis shouldn't be a hard concept to understand
>>732313216Yeah I can. I have lots of 25 year old digital games.
>>732313179I do both
>>732312158>I get that valve taking a big cut is greedyIt's not even, it's the standard cut nearly everyone takes. Less than that even since they'll lower it based on sales. They also do far more beneficial things with their money than anyone else in terms of free advertising for games, storage, online, even game fixes like with ER, etc. as well as funding open source projects like Proton and FEX. Like, it's hard not to think of Valve as pretty objectively one of the few good guys in this industry while Epic just comes off as a conniving mealy mouthed coward that shat all over PC before crawling to it and trying to slander Valve and bring console cancer exclusivity to PC in order to force market share rather than actually provide a good service for users. They deserve nothing but contempt. The free games are the only good thing about them, but it's obviously just a trap to try and make users feel tied to the launcher and I'm sure that benefit would go away the instant Epic gained any real popularity.
>>732312876Potentially. But that still has certain size and speed limitations involved. Not sure of the manufacture costs either. One way or another though there would end up being extra overheads involved for servers for patches and content updates and that is where I see the real problem occurring with all of this. Because either it is relying upon the individual corporation involved to give support, or a new central platform for that needs to be created in which case what was the point of all this reversion to physical to begin with. All this being said I think this would have been something that Amazon could have offered as a service for their attempt at competing with Steam. Selling games digitally, but having an option for sending you self contained physical installation discs akin to GOG installers. And they have the global infrastructure to support both the physical production and server support side of things. Though I imagine it would probably have been a licensing nightmare.
>>732313332Nintendo won't even let you transfer Wii/WiiU/3DS eshop games to the Switch or Switch 2. oddly enough, sony and microsoft did the same thing. For some strange reason, Ps3 purchases never transferred to the PS4 or Ps5, and this includes the Ps1 and Ps2 classics that should be easy to run.Why is that?
>>732312389If they had actually funded it, it wouldn't have been timed, it would just be exclusive, like alan wake 2. KH was coming to pc regardless and epic paid for it to be exclusive for a while.
>>732312876They're expensive not even the faggots that pushed for them (Sony) print them that much anymore for vidya, and the fucking won that format war when HD-DVD dropped.
>>732313317>this shouldn't be a hard concept to understandI think they understand it. What they can't handle is someone criticizing PCs. PC vegans are a very dogmatic cult of people, and very sensitive as well. Their reaction to being told that you can't own digital media is the same as muslims reacting to a sacrilegious depiction of allah.
Imagine calling a company who popularized child gambling lootbox shit and paid modding pro consumer.Shills working overtime today.
>>732313351Yeah I had to as well. Online games require officially licensed versions unfortunately
>>732312915Nice non-answer, try again.
>>732313510this is gonna change sooner or later for consoles and idk how console players will react to that
>>732313562Console players actually have standards.
>>732306249Anon what the fuck is this thread even about?What lawsuit? Pro consumer how? Did you want a discussion or did you just want shitposts?
>>732313510>>732313317>but it needs to be legitimateImagine being this much of a bootlicker.
>>732313510>Their reaction to being told that you can't own digital media is the same as muslims reacting to a sacrilegious depiction of allah.You don't think it has anything to do with the cognitive dissonance you express by thinking you somehow do own your modern console "media"?This isn't anything new for us, you're the ones struggling to cope with your digital hellscape on a closed platform you can't even easily pirate/crack. And the ones you do buy are locked to that console forever.
>>732313471Do you know the answer?
>>732313624Some faggot in the UK (not a company) is trying to sue Valve over monopolizing "price fixing" its clear OP is using the headline to generate (you)s, yes we've already dismissed it multiple times but anons won't stop replying.
>>732313562>two more weeks>>732313652I'm not struggling at all in any regard.
>>732313674The answer is that they know console kids will take it with a smile. The underage fanboys see no issue with their purchases not working with future products. For someone who hates digital non-ownership so much, I wonder why these anti-consumer practices were never criticized before.
>>732313652>you somehow do own your modern console "media"?Correct. See >>732311220A modern console game that I own.
>>732309768This dog
>>732313813We're on the switch 2 now buddy, enjoy your "game"
>>732313787Because consoles offer physical ownership of those same digital games.
>>732313915Thanks, I appreciate it.
>>732306249>Valve is forced to be more pro consumer.They literally aren't.They're at risk of being forced to be more pro-developer and LESS pro-consumer. This is why not a single person outside of indian shills and contrarian retards wants this.
>>732313926And yet Ps3 disks don't work on the PS5, WiiU games don't work on the Switch, and Xbox games don't work on the Xbox one (without microsoft giving you permission first)Never had to ask Nvidia for permission to play starcraft on my modern 2026 PC.
>>732312915So you admit you only own the storage medium and not the game. And since you care about semantics and clarity I'm sure that is a distinction you will make when arguing about this going forward.
>>732312989>It's only ownership when corpo-jews say it isthat's not true ownership. How is it ownership when you can't even modify your own games or hardware? Don't they ban mods of their own games and even fan games?
>>732309242>storage disc breaks>you don't even have a licence anymoreEven Steam gives unconditional free replacements. Not even delisted games are exempt
>>732313758the digital only versions of the ps5 and xsex are peforming far better than the ones with a disc tray, they intend to wipe out physical entirely
>>732314106Did you have a point? You're just listing facts that I already knew about.
>>732314019ThisThese two lawsuits can potentially fuck over steam keys which usnt a good thing for anyone
>>732309768Epic Games's CEOHoly shit where do you retarded newfaggots come from? jeet_nation's tweets?
>you own files on a disc but not files on a hard driveWtf even is this thread lmao?
>>732314441the files and even the games playability dont matter, its the license and its transfer ability that do
>>732314132>So you admit you only own the storage medium and not the gameYes, when I say media ownership I mean media ownership. Not IP ownership. You're the only person conflating the two right now.
>>732309768Tim Sweeny is Steam's loudest outspoken competitor, he's been trying to usurp the throne with free vidya handouts and timed PC exclusives, because he wants a piece of the digital storefront pie as well for about 8 years now, people who act like them are called "Timmies" or a "Timmy"
>>732314427You don't own your physical console games. >b-but you can sell themI can sell my hard drive full of gog games too. For some reason you think this is impossible because you're too busy sucking off corporations.>BUT I'M LE HECKIN SCAREDGrow a pair, you sissy.
>>732314587>I can sell my hard drive full of gog games too.not legally
>>732314167>How is it ownership when you can't even modify your own games or hardware?Because ownership exists along side parameters controling the usage of your property. They aren't mutually exclusive things, they coexist.
>>732314632>OH MY SCIENCE, WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE HECKIN COPYRIGHT HOLDER
>>732313317If you can't have access to or control the files for modding, transferring, backing up, etc. then you do not own anything. You are determining ownership based off what a corporate entity is allowing you to do, see the problem with that? Especially when said corporation only allows it because it's unfeasible to stop it, hence them pushing hard for digital on hardware with strict rules imposed on how you're allowed to use it lest they turn it into a paper weight.
>>732314396Thanks for the heads up.
>>732314587Oh you're just starting from square one again. Got it. Look further up the thread, I'm pretty sure I answered this exact same post from you earlier.
>>732314674>xir says while posting a troontendo gif
>>732306249What are the proposed changes, and how will they make Steam more pro-consumer?
>>732309020It's 2026, being an 'idort' isn't anything to be proud of. They might as well just wordfilter it to 'idiot' since consoles serve no purpose anymore save squeezing money out of the people too lazy or retarded to use a PC.
>>732306249We know what you are. Get fucked, moshe>>732308036Good, your game is shit.>>732308473Based
>>732306656Producers can eat a massive bag of shit
>>732314676>If you can't have access to or control the files for modding, transferring, backing up, etc. then you do not own anythingFalse if/then statement.
>>732314782Your opinion is noted.
>sellable=ownedBit of a strange standard for ownership when you can sell things that aren't ownable. I can sell my time. I can sell an idea. I can even sell a debtor's negative credit. All things that literally do not exist
>>732314897>I can sell my time. I can sell an idea. I can even sell a debtor's negative creditall of those things exist, retard
>>732306402Isn't that up to the devs? I remember there being games that don't require steam to launch
>>732314772I can sell my GOG games anytime I want. You seem to think that I give a shit about what the copyright holder has to say. You'd be wrong.I also romhack and mod my games without their permission. Oh well. Better call up Nintendo and report me for my 500+ Mario 64 romhacks. ;)
>>732313510PC users have no problem being honest about it merely being a license because they have the control, freedom and means to effectively make it a moot point. You are the one coping over "ownership" on a prison system that allows you only a tiny fraction of the freedom, and you initiate it and argue every damn day the same shit over and over. Find something better to do with your life.
>>732314839>False if/then statement if you're a corpocuckTrue if/then statement.
>>732314954They're all imaginary
>>732314963you can sell the game files but you can't sell the game licenses that you bought
>>732315109That's what you think. I bet you also think that you cant sell steam accounts. ;)
>>732306249another wall street pajeet bot thread... constant spam on /v/ now...
>>732309768>>732314437>>732314579>>732306342The issue is calling Tim Sweeny "Timmy" is getting mixed up with the current third world brown's derogatory term for white men on social media. So it looks like you're going "You mad whiteboi?" rather than calling Sweeny out, just saying.
>>732306249There's no other way of saying it:Steamies.Got.Cooked.They got cooked!
>>732306402Which they do.
>>732314897>I can sell my time.You personally? No, you are a diaper shitting NEET dependant on an adult or caretaker, so you don't have that choice. I can however because I have legal autonomy on my self. >I can sell an idea.You can legally own ideas. >I can even sell a debtor's negative credit. Also legally ownable. I just refinanced a car loan which was my debt sold from one bank to another >All things that literally do not existIntangible =/= doesn't exist. Glad I could teach you this fact.Btw, are you capable of learning, or feeling embarassed? One of these two should have happened to you by now. I know you aren't learning. So when you spout lies like you just did are you at all embarassed, or are you just a mindless drone protecting the PC vegan cult?
>>732313317I can legally sell any of the files stored on my drive. Prove me wrong
>>732315107No they aren't. They're intangible. >>732314963>I can sell my GOG games anytime I wantNot legally. They aren't your property.
>>732315102Nah
>>732315334They exist only in your mind
>>732315334>Not legally. They aren't your property.
>>732315234>I'm a retarded gay newniggerYeah we know
>>732314839False asspull non-argument. Ownership involves access to and control over something. What you own is the plastic and you have the right to transfer the license with it because nintendo can't reasonably do anything about it before their full transition to digital. You have to play by nintendo's rules for what you can do with their products or you get punished.Someone on PC has far more ownership over the actual game itself and they make ample use of that fact.
>>732314815This. Being in Brazil you guys think tariffs make you richer, no they just make you Brazil. All of our manufacturers make dogshit here and were forced to buy it because the imports cost more because of tariffs. Tell me how I the consumer am better off because the stuff I can afford is Chinese temu quality at crazy prices.I just want to live in Singapore
is little timmy still mad?
>>732315234ackshully, the usage of "Timmy" as an insult ties right back to Timmy Sweeny. All the pajeets he hires to shill for Epic Games end associate America with being "Timmies"
why are there so many anti valve threads?
>>732315507>Singapore>Government housing>Low taxes>Nearly American salaries>Hyper exploitable labor that lives across in Malaysia that even your average Singaporean citizen can afford to have them come by and clean the shit off of their toilet>Hyper free tradeYeah I could dig that
>>732315592Because Steam evaporates. Don't know when though.
>>732315592Nintendo fans, snoys and Epic shills are all extremely jealous of Valve and GOG owners being allowed to own their games, instead of being given rentals. You don't even own a single PS5 or Switch game. where are the mods? Where are the romhacks? Where's the ability to play the games on unapproved hardware?>B-BUT YOU CAN SELL ITI can sell my games, whether the corpo-jew likes it or not.
>>732314963>You seem to think that I give a shit about what the copyright holder has to say.Well you do. You purchased them legally instead of pirating them.
>>732314560>Yes, when I say media ownership I mean I only own the storage medium and not the game.Okay, cool, glad we could clear that up.
>>732315234>REVISE YOUR VOCABULARY BECAUSE IT LE CLASHES WITH THE MEMES I SEE ON TWITTERhow about you go back and stay there forever, you unbeliavable niggerfaggot?
>do nothing>CEOs of shit companies start seethinghow does he do it
>>732315592You see there's a man named tim...
>>732315420Nope, but I have been referred to as a timmy in a political thread by some brownoid.>>732315581That's probably a decent explanation for why they use it then. I always assumed it was picked because some negro dubbed it, since the common phrase with it is >"what's timmie gonna do about it?" >[Image of interracial cuckold porn]
>>732314963based
>>732315805He's just a puppet for th
>>732315756I have the option to pirate the game, but I support the game because I like the dev. But I hate physical trash cluttering my room, so I opt for digital.Still own my games, though. Nobody can take them. AND I can sell them.
>>732315592The one at the top will always be envied.
This thread is a shill thread funded by one of Steam's rivals. Can you guess which one?
whats his fucking problem?
>>732315383You're drunk or high as fuck right now>>732315454>Ownership involves access to and control over somethingNo it involves legal ownership of property, of which can or cannot be limited by various factors. Control doesn't matter. If full control is what you want then pirate.
>>732306402They should allow you to resell and lend out your digital games the same way you can with physical games, and they shouldn't be allowed to take any cut from second hand sales. Until that happens no digital platform will ever be pro consumer.
>>732306249Like what? What would make them more pro consumer?
Steamies are worse than tendies. There I said it.
>>732315764You dishonestly misquoted me.
>>732306249> clickbait youtube screenshot
>>732309768It's indians attempt at making a slur for white people and it's the best they could come up with...
>>732314963>You seem to think that I give a shit about what the copyright holder has to say.>>732315915> I support the game because I like the [copyright holder]HMMMMMMMMM
>>732315992>No it involves legal ownership of property, of which can or cannot be limited by various factors. Ownership should NEVER be limited by various factors. What kind of commune do you live in that would push such a thing?
>>732316021I already can resell and lend out my digital games
>>732306402If Steam was pro consumer they'd let you download offline installers of games. Also: let you choose whether to install patches or not.
>>732316129I thought it was making fun of Tim Sweeny, the guy who runs Epic and spends all day screaming into the void about Steam being better than his store
>>732316153Not according to Steam you can't. There is no way of moving a game from your account to somebody else's account.
>>732316162The latter is true
>>732316131>want to support the copyright holder since I like their game>modify it without their permission I see no conflict here. I like Super Metroid, and I'll pay for a copy of the game, but I'm also gonna enjoy the 20+ romhacks that exist for it.Sorry this concept is confusing to you, hombre.
>>732306249>Timmycels with the help of rotten teeth britbongs force valve to stop their contracts forcing devs not to sell their game below steam pricing>Tummy the kike immediately pays devs to sell their games at absurdly low prices on his platform to kill steam>(once steam is dead he'll revert it back and even increase pricing)He's going as far as paying them for exclusivity on his shit platform, gentiles not seeing the writing on the wall should be killed. you retarded fucking goys always ruin everything with your stupidity
>>732316162>let you download offline installersits called copying the game folderdo zoomies not know how to pirate games anymore? what happened to game cracks?
>>732316203Steam has no tangible, or legal control over the contents of my storage device
>>732306249Communists hate private companies who don't have to answer to shareholders.It means they can't influence their decision making through mass pooled wealth funds like Blackrock and Vanguard.
>company is forced to do something>YES!! This is another win for us consumers!!>VALVE is forced to do something>NOOOOOO, THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL STEAM, THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE OUR FRIEND STEAM AWAY FROM US
>>732316291this isnt about the files retard, its about the license thats required to legally get those files and play the fucking game in the first place
>>732316140>What kind of commune do you live in that would push such a thing?Capitalism.
>>732316153No you can't. You're distributing unlicensed copies which is illegal. >>732316291Ok. And? You still don't own what you're distributing, whether or not you got away with it.
when epic makes an affordable handheld pc with a built in controller that lets me use gyro anyway I want in literally any game, with the best trackpads and capacitive thumb sticks, I will consider not using steam. until then, get fucked sweeney.
>>732316404A flag on my account isn't a game. The files are.
>>732316042gamefreak's games bomb on steam with 0 players, meanwhile gamefreak gets millions of copies sold to tendies. standards for players on steam are objectively an infinity higher compared to tendies.
>>732306249>it's about fucking time we collectively remembered how good the internet was before Steam.What does steam have to do with the state of the internet??
>>732316507>affordableBrown.
>>732309087Breaking Steam would make the average gamer's life objectively worse.
>>732316535>can't own the game>bombsCrazy
>>732316491Untrue
>>732312652>His name is Rothschild jejhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXXgkh7gUGU
>>732316535Palworld sold 32 million copies whereas Z-A only sold 12 million copies.Nintendo fans have higher standards than Steamjeets.
>>732316575>nobody wants to own a shit game>bombscrazy
>>732316563so brown people shouldn’t use epic? okay sweeney. twas not aware your storefront was racially motivated. maybe that’s why you don’t have as many users
>>732316598No it isn't.
>niggas out here caring about "Digital Right Managements" of the so-called "Copyright Holders" >like this site doesn't have a board dedicated to piracy>2 if we counted /rs/ (RIP)shaking my head right now family
>>732316039Letting us own, trade, and resell the games we purchase. If you disagree, you're a bitch.
>>732316268No one is going to buy on EGS even if it has lower prices. That just reverts to justifying piracy of the game since Timmy has already paid for your copy. Or people will just wait for a sale on Steam as they already do. It has been proven time and time again that the only way to get an established customer base to move over to your service is by providing at minimum an equivalent service with cheaper prices, or a better service overall. EGS doesn't offer either of those and never will going off their past antics and retarded management decisions. I know it gets brought up but it bears repeating just how retarded having an online store without a shopping cart function is. Quite literally the first lesson learned once online transactions became viable was people don't want to use a service that will make you buy items piecemeal. This was something learnt 2 decades ago at this point. So to make an online transaction service without it as a conscious choice shows just how little they understand what they are doing.
>>732316658Didn't mean to hurt you feeling, PC vegan.
>>732316717Why would you sell a good game? Why don't you want to keep it forever?
>>732316697>concession frog enters thread, repies to nobody, concedesYeah.
>>732316694It is untrue
>>732316795Why do you not want to own the media you purchased?
>>732316890You can be wrong. That's fine.
>>732308979I'm more distracted by your weird ears than your tits
>>732316923Does your idea of "ownership" matter, when I can play the game forever without restriction? Not sure what else you can offer me, besides "MUH LEGAL TRANSACTION". Since I'm not a poorfag, I don't care about reselling games.
>>732313253>In what world do you think they WANT to pay more moneyI don't think you know what this is all about, it's not about what they want at all. Don't bend the knee like a little bitch.
>>732317020if you don't care then this doesn't concern you, just don't like act it's a problem to have the option to transfer licenses
>>732313410Hosting some patches isn't a big deal, it's how things used to be before consolidating on Steam.
>ctrl+f "vegan">1 out of 11 resultsfuckin hell
>>732313489They literally did fund the port, that's a factual detail. Why are you trying to dispute it, are you retarded.
>>732317137It is a problem. i wouldn't weep if they permanently removed physical games forever. While you cry and weep that you can't own your games anymore, I'll be enjoying my 20th Super Metroid romhack, and enjoying mods for Pizza tower (like Chef's Kiss). For some reason you can't do this on your physical copy, despite supposedly owning it.
>>732317020>Does your idea of "ownership" matter, when I can play the game forever without restrictionYup! In addition to playing your game forever without restriction and making infinite copies, and modding it, you could also own officially licensed media of that game so your money is secured instead of thrown in the trash, you can do whatever you want with it. Sell it, display it, trade it. Etc.You keep trying to force the idea that if you own the media you can't mod it etc. Why? What's stopping you from moding or making dupes of your game on PC? Are you a corporate drone?
>>732317318>For some reason you can't do thisYes I can. I have a PC. Silly PC vegan.
it was literally worseI stopped pirating and let go of my blackcats/demonoid accounts because it became too easy to just buy it off steam
>>732317325>>732317407>You keep trying to force the idea that if you own the media you can't mod it etc. Why? What's stopping you from moding or making dupes of your game on PC? Are you a corporate drone?The law says that it's illegal to modify or break copy protection on your physical game, so no backup copies, no mods.
>>732317480I know. Did you have a point?
>>732317529The law is stopping you from modifying and making copies of your physical game. So you have no freedoms.
>>732317318>While you cry and weep that you can't own your games anymoreI would cry, I don't want to have to explain to my children someday that everything is shitty because of chronic masturbators' complacency with Steam.
>>732317416it's literally never been easier to pirate video games, you're lost
>>732315243You can’t download the games without the Client. There is no guest purchase. Tied to DRM software that won’t allow offline play after 30 days. Anon stop trying to defend this corporation, they had years to make changes for the better, they didn’t.
>>732317648Sucks for you. My digital only games are more fun than ever. Sorry you need a chunk of plastic for validation.
>>732317734*for ownership
>>7323176252 seconds ago you were bragging about mods and making unlicensed dupes. What changed in the last 2 seconds that now you're afraid of the law? Did you get backed into a corner?
>>732317318You can play romhacks on original hardware
>>732317182Patches were smaller on average back then, and connection speeds varied wildly. I wouldn't trust these corporations to setup reliable and viable servers for this sort of thing, let alone in the long term. It is just asking for another 'The Crew' situation.
>>732317782>>732317809If you don't care about the law and make backup copies and mods of your games regardless, then I can sell my digital games with the same mentality.Come on, you're so close to understanding.
>>732315707steam is already evaporated water
>>732306249hey timmy are you okkkk are you ok timmy???nobody loves youyou would not exist if fortnite was put on steamnot a single user using your launcher for anything other than fortnite which consists of little kids since they dont know any bettereven after 5 years of free game releases you have nothing the absolute state
>>732317693not reallywe used to not have to deal with shit like denuvo and always online, for exampleand vidya devs are getting shittier at releasing a working, functioning game at release, so if you pirate too early you have to do it again later when they update the game in like a week or something
>>732316974I could sell my whole PC right now and there would be no repercussions
>>732317912also desu I make money now so it just isn't really a problem anymore to save a couple of minutes if I can just buy it and go do something else while it downloads at full speed
>>732317860Dude....the issue with selling unlicensed media isn't fear of lawbreaking, although there is a lot of that. It's that there is no fucking market for unlicensed merch. And the fact that it is unlicensed means you don't own it, which is a point for another argument. You were just bragging about lawlessness, yet you don't sell and distribute unlicensed media right now and making lots of money. You fucking tell me what's stopping you.
>>732317964Correct. Did you have a point?
>>732317863The evaporated water represents your game library. It fucking disappears.
>>732318196My point is I'd be selling my games in that situation
>>732318220Based
>>732317895Valve isn’t in a better position, the company committed fraud by stealing a game controller. They are currently in a lawsuit over contract negotiations being illegal. They were sued by EU for GEO Regulations. These recent events tell us that Valve Corporation is the real criminal organization.
>>732316694>muh TOS Show me the law that dictates this
>>732318271If you're selling unlicensed games along with your PC then that's illegal. It's illegal because you don't own the media on your computer. You don't own the media on your computer because it's digital. You can't own digital media.
>>732317860idk what're you're talking about, I was just pointing out people play romhacks on the SNES all the time
>>732317912>we used to not have to deal with shit like denuvo and always online, for examplebut you literally do unless you pirate the game that had it cracked
>>732316923I do, but sometimes you can't have everything you want
>>732318220lmfaoi have like 85% faith in gabens son to keep the platform as is and not corrupt itotherwise when gaben passes and if steam somehow starts to deteriorate, by that time all of gaming as a whole would be garbage best to pick up a side hobby to switch to laterfor me? its drawing and reading>>732318307gaben is currently raping the jew rothschild in court right now as we speak and winningplease kill yourself when you get the chance
>>732318331No thanks. If you're having trouble finding it yourself I might help but I'm not going to run in circles for a sealion. Just know that it is the law, and that's a fact.
>>732318148>It's that there is no fucking market for unlicensed merch. And the fact that it is unlicensed means you don't own it, which is a point for another argument. Stopped reading there. There's an entire undermarket on ebay where people sell romhacks and 1000-in-1 game carts, and they sell like crazy. There's also a similar market on amazon.
>>732306402How about letting me play old versions of games without the developer having to opt into allowing users to downgrade? And yeah, not needing Steam would be pretty great too. Videogames will outlive Steam. So it'd be kind of shit if all the games people paid for on Steam couldn't be kept.
I will NEVER use epic game store. No matter what. I will just pirate even more than I already do if steam vanishes. Epic could literally give me every game for free while busing in hookers to blow me while I play and I still wouldn't use it. Simple as.
>>732317118>it's not about what they want at all. I'm so glad you're in control of everything, that's why you're changing the way the world works and forcing every dev to self-fund and disk print and distribute on their own, right?Right?
>>732318423That's why I own consoles. I get what I want there.
>>732318372Are you seriously telling me it's illegal to sell my own PC?What world do you live in?
>>732318496NTA but those are being sold outside the jurisdiction that enforces copyright law (China)
>>732318496>There's an entire undermarket on ebay where people sell romhacks and 1000-in-1 game carts, and they sell like crazy. There's also a similar market on amazonNice. And why aren't you duplicating your games into infinity and becoming millionaire right now?
>>732306249funny how all this drama has done is make everyone hate sweeney even more
>>732318559That's nice. I want to do things that aren't possible with owned games. I guess we both win
>>732318547I wont buy it digitally
>>732318607Maybe china has the right idea, not being a bunch of bootlicking slaves to copyright?>>732318627Because I don't care about making money. Sorry if we're not all bloodthirsty for shekels.
>>732312974or gaben's in the files and steam was always a pedo psyop
>>732318574Do you want me to teach you how to look up simple questions on the internet? Go to www.google.comType in "can I sell my computer if it has unlicensed media on it"Report back with results.
>>732306249the funny thing is that even if they succeed at bullying steam and force them to pay up, when its all done, everyone will just continue to use steam and no one will move over to the epic game store.
>Maybe china has the right idea
>>732318705Oh my god you are such a disingenuous lying fuckwad
>>732318742That's weird. I could have sworn the media on my computer is licenced
>>732318705Stupid commie fuck
>>732318750it's not about using epic, it's about steam improving
>Valve beats a Rothschild in court>suddenly endless shitpost threads against themHMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>732318656That'll show em.
>>732306795>>732311098You always only got a license though. Isn't that what the whole EULA thing is about?
>>732318628Personally I fucking hate EGS now even more simply because they started forcing games that have an online component that touches their server software to bundle the Epic server stuff into the install regardless of whether you intend to use crossplay with EGS or not. So now you have games on Steam that attempt to install this shit because crossplay with EGS is possible when you don't actually need it unless you intend to enable that shit. And there is no way to permanently tell it no and to not install ever, and it tries to do it every time you load the Steam game.
>>732318810>licenced
>>732318810Digital games are non transferable licenses. It's impossible that a licensed copy would be in your computer.
>>732316129Timmies here aren't knights though, they are more like peasant farmers paying taxes to their steam overlords...
>>732306249https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5MSGDWTI-M
>>732318794>>732318839Uh oh, corporate bootlicker melty!
>>732318979So it's illegal to even play the games I bought? You learn something new every day
>>732319008I have 300 games on Epic and haven't paid a cent to Gabe.
valve has the most blind brand loyalists.
>>732306249Valve isn't really a monopoly but they are close to being one, regardless, it's hard to find any publisher of literally anything that is as pro-consumer as Valve even if they were initially forced into being that way.As for the entire argument of "Valve doesn't earn their 30% cut! It's too high!" keep in mind that they are currently hosting the largest game library of any service on the planet sans peer-to-peer networks where the load of bandwidth is shared between multiple points and they have actually been actively releasing shit every year since around 2014, sure, it's mostly just been things related to Steam that some people might call "bloat" but the facts are that they are still actively developing the platform and go through at least 1 major release a year, just google their release timeline and you'll see it for yourself.Valve might be the single instance in modern history where a monopoly can prove itself as a good thing, like how a single good monarch is able to prove that monarchy is a viable political system.
>>732319074it's illegal to fuckin breathe in this countryall by design
>>732308036I will steal your game and not play it
>>732306249
>>732318893Good question. It's not that it's just a license (all media from books to movies to toys to games are just licenses). It's the type of license it is. Transferable (physical media), or non transferable (digital media). And non transferable licenses can't be owned.
>>732318849>Gabe Newell is NOT in the Epstein Files>A certain family, however, is.Really jogs the noggin.
>>732306572I will not install your chinese spyware mr sweeny
>console wars over pc clients>not disgust that you need a client to begin withsteam really did console up pc gaming
>>732319062Sure.>>732319074Grey area. It's legal to make 1 duplicate digital copy for archival purposes if you have a reciept. It's frowned upon to play that game but nobody will know regardless. You're safe as long as you don't advertise that you're doing it, and worst case scenario you're told to stop doing it in an email.
>>732319116it would be nice to see them improve
>>732319107I've discovered that. I used to think it was snoys, but it is definitely PC vegans who are the biggest fanboys in gaming.
>>732319162I want to live in the world where I can buy a game on one platform, and the DLC on another platform. Only gays do not want this world.
>>732306249trust the plan
>>732319280and they must be made to pay for this
>>732319162What is Ms. ((((((((Shotbolt)))))))))'s real surname?
>>732319116At this point even if they are a monopoly it should be asked what difference does that make given they are offering the best possible service to the consumer. No one of actual value is being affected by them being the leading platform. And the actual price point the games are being sold at aren't controlled by Steam, it is by the Publisher. Not even sure how they could go about breaking them up if they were a monopoly either since people clearly do not want multiple platforms for PC gaming.
>>732306249I understand you, Timmy. I also hate my customers.
>>732318436I am so happy that the ((((((((((((((((((((Rothchild)))))))))))))))))))))) animal is getting buttfucked in the ass right now. Huge faggots like his kind really do deserve it and more.
>>732309768The people saying it's from Tim Sweeny are wrong. It's actually from this video and it's used by Indians.
>>732319575Gog offers the best service to consumers, and it's wild you think Steam, a near monopoly, is the one that does. Like a fish asked what is water.
>>732308880But you can't own your console, it's a complete black box operating system and you can only do baby shit on itBesides, physical will be dead by the end of the decade
>>732319951>a near monopolyAnd? What is the demonstrable detriment of this that is the fault of Valve?
>>732319202>>Gabe Newell is NOT in the Epstein Filesthere are millions of redacted lines and thousands of imageswe do NOT know if gaben is in the files
>>732319107Valve has the most reason to have brand loyalists They're actually improving shit instead of iterating the same business model for another decade
>>732320057>But you can't own your consoleI do, same as my physical media. >physical will be dead by the end of the decadeDoesn't look like it. And even if it does I'll continue gaming, just without owning much of my media.
>>732306249Who is they?
>>732320207>Some FBI agent got paid to mark off "Gaben" or Newell" as it appears rather than some high ranking politician.
>>732320208>They're actually improving shitNo. They cut your balls off. You're experiencing stockholm syndrome.
>>732320208>improving shit>instead of iterating the same business model
>>732320243they wasn't used in the OP
>>732320218Cope tendie, we've been over this and you lost every timeYou don't get to keep physical alive, it's in a death spiral and with each year those supply chains get smaller and more expensive to maintainAnd no, if you owned your toybox it wouldn't get btfoed by a phone on basic functionality
>>732320285Are you too retarded to understand the ramifications of their work on Linux, proton, SteamOS, arm compatibility, vr and controller support?
>>732320461how much does the sealed Mario go for these days
>>732320461>Cope tendie, we've been over this and you lost every timeNo I don't think you've ever gotten the best of me. In fact you're my repeated victim iirc. I own you.
>>732320576>make Linux able to actually play games>sell Linux boxes to people who have their library tied to their walled gardenand people try to claim they aren't a monopoly
>>732320576None of that affects me, sorry.
>>732319202>fat nerd doesn't get invited to sexy partiesquelle surprise
>>732306249>weI can ensure the gigalobillionaires who scripted that guy to say that have never touched a videogame in their sheltered life
>>732320593Reminder that you have no principles as you won't drop consoles and keep buying digital only games on your toyboxesYou're just shitting blood because you hate how hard steam will destroy your toys when they lose their sole benefit and become streaming boxes
>>732320285Pre-Steam PC games were CBT by comparison
>>732320813Good to know.
>>732320640No one's stopping others from supporting Linux?Valve is the only member of the industry that wants to actually open up the platform as much as possible because unlike Timmy or consoles they can actually appeal to customers instead of brute forcing them
>>732320989I accept your concession and I'm looking forward to you fully embracing your slave position and still clinging to toddler toys in 5 years when they lose physical
>>732312071You're describing the console as a form of drm lol.
>>732321108I accept your cocnession.
>>732321159Correct. Consoles are a form of rights management. Well done.
>>732321161Keep throwing tantrums tendie With each year physical sales go downCosts per physical unit go up as the economy of scale applies less and lessAnd they're not going to maintain the supply chain just for you You're a slave and you won't mind though
>>732321301Good to know.
>>732321202Are you the same guy who has problems with your ownership rights being eroded by digital distribution? Why are you claiming to have ownership rights with console physical media while at the same time also openly admitting that you only own a license that is tied to a vendor managed DRM appliance?Sounds like you're a licensee either way and the only difference is how convenient the distribution method of the software is.
>>732306249Fuck off you gay retard
>>732320640The only thing that prevents Epic Game Store from being easily installed on SteamOS is Tim's refusal to support GNU/Linux based OSes.If he wanted, he could have EGS in Flathub tomorrow to be easily installed on the Steam Deck and other devices. Alternately, he could distribute an AppImage on his own website, which is similar to the way software is packaged and distributed for MacOS.SteamOS is not a walled garden, and installing third-party software on it is easier than doing the same now on recent Microsoft OSes.It won't even pop up annoying message telling you off for installing third-party software like Windows 11 does.
>>732320640>Linux>Walled gardenlol, lmao even. As long as these "boxes" are based on open source systems then this will never happen, just do a minimum amount of research on the product your buying and you'll never be locked into anything you dumb fuck
>>732321412He has no problems with digital, he's a rabid tendie that sees it as an attack vector against the enemy team and will eat up digital if it came from nintendo
>>732321624I've seen this behavior in famitsu threads, where they talk about buying off of the JP eshop because it's a few bucks cheaper than the NA version. Strange that they're perfectly fine with that. You'd think they would be more than happy to pay more for a physical copy, but their standards shatter under critique.
>>732321624Pretty sure modern Nintendo is digitally tied to an account regardless of whether you have a cart or not. At least I hope it is, because I'm pretty sure Nintendo uses NAND memory on the carts now and that has a low life span in cold storage.
>>732321019Linux is not a platform used by gamers, this is supported by statistics
>>732321301>projecting that others are enslaved to a platform of their choice>all while chanting about the loss of ownership that they themselves are making worsewhy don't you just go kill yourself already
>>732306656Once a company becomes pro-producer instead of pro-consumer, that's when you know they're about to go down the shitter and retake all the profits for themselves.You never fucking want that. You might think you do, but you really don't.
>>732321792Relevance?Linux doesn't come preinstalled on laptops and prebuilts like windows and it's still making big gains among English speakersWe're starting to see the correction of the retarded monopolistic mistake that was made thirty years ago
>>732321860I'm waiting for that "loss of ownership" you keep talking about. My 25 year old PC games continue to work, my steam library is gonna turn 15 this year, my GOG installers continue to be unimpeded by the lack of an online connection (since they're stored in seperate offline drives).Saying that you don't own them really doesn't mean anything, if they're never taken away. A loss of ownership would imply that they'll be taken away at a moment's notice, much like a subscription service.
>>732315234As im not a social media addicted girl, I do not have this "problem" and can instead use the context of mocking Tim Sweeney as /v/ intended.
>>732321769>nowThey started using proprietary eMMC with the 3DS. My copies of Smash 3DS and Super Mario 3D Land are both dead and couldn't be recovered even with the funny version of GM9 that spams the self-correction function.
>>732321981Yeah but the /pol/ crossboarders are already confused by this thread.
>>732321412>>732319196
>>732321860Physical was going to die eventually ever since the internet started getting bigThere's no excuse to cling to platforms where you don't own your hardware now that the end is in sight And yes, consolecucks are legitimately too stupid to switch so they're enslaved, they need goo goo gaa gaa baby user interfaces
>>732306656Uh you do realize that becoming pro producer is the first step of enshittification, right? Consumers are easier to fuck over than producers if you can maintain monopoly, so they get targeted first.
>>732320207>Glowies are protecting Gabe>But not the RothschildsGabe sama... I kneel... I never should have made those fat jokes I'm sorry!!!
