https://x.com/Joshiepoo25/status/2022003361059631301>But then the trailer came out, and it was all downhill from there. Content creators love to point out the bias in folks who give positive previews after being flown out for an event, but ignore the fact that when their negative-leaning content gets 10x the engagement of the positive, they’ve got just as much incentive to lean into a disingenuous direction, whether consciously or not.>The hate started immediately. In addition to dogpiling on the trailer, I personally came under fire due to my naïveté on Twitter, which almost all of my now-former coworkers had learned to avoid during their previous game launches. After setting my Twitter account to private to protect my sanity, many content creators made videos and posts about me and my cowardice, amassing millions of views and inadvertently sending hundreds of angry gamers into my replies. They laughed at me for being proud of the game, told me to get out the McDonald’s applications, and mocked me for listing having autism in my bio, which they seemed to think was evidence the game would be “woke trash.” All of this was very emotionally taxing.>We were turned into a joke from minute one, largely due to false assumptions about a million-dollar ad placement, which even prominent journalists soon began to state as fact. Within minutes, it was decided: this game was dead on arrival, and creators now had free ragebait content for a month. Every one of our videos on social media got downvoted to hell. Comments sections were flooded with copy/paste meme phrases such as "Concord 2" and "Titanfall 3 died for this." At launch, we received over 14k review bombs from users with less than an hour of playtime. Many didn't even finish the required tutorial.>All products are at the whims of the consumers, and the consumers put absurd amounts of effort into slandering Highguard. And it worked.These toxic hate campaigns need to be punishable by law.
There's no way this man isn't Jewish right
Imagine. ALL of this could have been avoided if they had made a good game...
Okay but why does one of the characters in the game have like metal bone bars around his face
>>732950069>JoshiepooActually pissbaby manchild who's never been told no in his lifeHope the staff all land on their heads
>>732950069>And it worked.Total Chud victory
>>732950069He is right about ecelebfags doing this, circlejerk shitting on a game is way more viewed than honest review.
>>732950069God I’m such a chud *beats chest vigorously*
>>732950325The game was amazeballs and a total blast but economic terrorists LITERALLY killed it ILLEGALLY. You ALL need to be in prison for this.
>>732950443This. He clearly lived in a massive bubble and thought he could take to twatter and be received with open arms and that everyone would think that him and his game were awesome. He was used to the echo chamber and got reality.
>it is often pointed out by gamers that devs like to blame gamers for their failures, and that that’s silly. As if gamers have no power. But they do. A lot of it. I’m not saying our failure is purely the fault of gamer culture and that the game would have thrived without the negative discourse, but it absolutely played a role.YOU DID THIS, GAMERS KILLED OUR MASTERPIECE
>>732950069>People who played the game, including us, had a blast.I burst out laughing there
>jew kvetches about how he is owed successI wonder if he has any thoughts about the effigies the iranians are setting on fire>>732950178>sobelis a yid bastardization of a slavic word for sable
>>732950069>millennial financial curse>runs team that can afford multi-million dollar ad placementOh fuck off. I hope he ends up homeless.
>>732950069He's 100% correct.
Purest example of an echo chamber dev roomYeah I get it nobody wants to make a shit game usually but how do you spend years on a project and not come to the realization you were making dogshit?I'm not saying back then was any better but you had devs with more self awareness too. You have entire stories of devs scrapping entire builds over and over because they felt like it wasn't good enough. So what happened? How does it come to this and not one person say "Hey wait this is kinda ass"
>>732950069KWABOTY
>>732950710Gaming has been a nerdy hobby since forever, Nathan, you and your kind arrived to an already established playground full of people who know what they like and, ultimately, what sells
>>732950995>Purest example of an echo chamber dev roomThis
>>732950069>how dare dirty goyim to not like our talmudic creations!
Concord devs said the same thing. They all thought the game was great.
>>732950918>Still spouting old fake news
>>732950995It's unironically a consequence of modern societyCriticism is seen as something negative, you're not allowed to put someone else down or you might hurt their feelingsSo toxic positivity becomes a thing, if you're not positive you're not providing anything meaningful so you're expected to keep it to yourselfThis creates yes men as they either delude themselves into thinking everything is alright, or they're afraid of the consequences of speaking their minds
>Everyone I knew who had any connection to the team or project had the same sentiments:>“This is lightning in a bottle.”>“I trust this team wholeheartedly.”>“If there’s one project nobody in the industry is worried will fail, it’s yours.”>“This has mainstream hit written all over it.”>“There’s no way this will flop.”>"I could play this game all day.">The internal pre-reveal feedback, even from unbiased sources, was quite positive, and where it was negative, it was constructive, and often actionable. People who played the game, including us, had a blast. And since we were an independent, self-published studio built with royalties in mind, many of us were hoping this could finally be the thing that broke the millennial financial curse.EVERYONE HAD A BLAST
I feel like if I made a small company you can contract to figure out of your game sucks I could be rich
>sony of all companies back to putting straight male fanservice front and center>woke niggerjew california devs kvetching about how it must be illegal to not play their gamesI'm literally about to burst out buckets of cum bros. I feel like Luigi in Mario Party.
>Purposefully keep your studio small >Hire above a certain level with royalty incentives>Outsource the bulk of your design work to another country>Get the the biggest advertising opportunity in gaming history>Revealed to be arena shooter #2398403294 with tacked on shit mechanics>Fatigued industry naturally shit on it>Release day arrives, time to prove everyone wrong!>Game is uninspired, buggy, and stuffed to the brim with uninspired skin slop>Run of the mill retards see the obvious performance gaps in what would have/should have been caught in testing>"I-I-IT'S NOT OUR FAULT!!!! IT'S ALL FABRICATED HAAATE WAAAH!">Reviews with actual playtime (i.e. game your game a chance) unanimously disliked itMy sympathy can only go so far. They made every bad decision in the book and none of them will take accountability. You talk to any gamer even if they don't play arena shooters and ask them what games we need less of and arena shooters is it. This reeks of a start-up pump and dump. They wanted to get that initial burst of revenue from shop like a gacha and then go on life support until the game closes up shop.
>>732951407>Puts Japanese guy back in charge of SIE>Fan service returnsMany such cases
>>732950069>all my friends said I was the best player they ever met>but when I went to the tournament I got my ass kicked
>>732951548>Revealed to be arena shooter #2398403294 with tacked on shit mechanics>Fatigued industry naturally shit on itFucking this. We have so many goddamn shooters that we didn't need another one. Moreover, we didn't need another one that was just a fucking chimera of all of the other shooters out there
>it’s YOUR fault we had insanely unrealistic expectations >it’s YOUR fault the trailer was shit>it’s YOUR fault nobody liked the gameplay outside of our focus test groupindustry crash can’t come soon enough fampais
>>732950995>Purest example of an echo chamber dev roomPretty much.At least the with Alien:Resurrection they were able to look back and basically goWhoops, in hindsight yeah we made it too hard based on the feedback of QA and Devs that were playing the game over and over again, not on the average player / gamer.
>>732950995>So what happened?Women.
>>732950069>what happens when noone says "no" the game
>>732951707Every corporation in America today despises their customers. Each one. The CEO from Chipotle blames millennials and young people for being poor and is moving focus to upper class people. The closer boomers get to death and the more demand they have for return on investments, the more insane corporations are getting with no regard for existing past when bomers die
>>732950069>BUY MY GAME I WORKED SO HECKIN' HARD ON ITAnd you produced mediocrity. Why waste money on something made by the untalented?
>>732950995there was a dev comment i sadly didnt save that said the reason they made a hero shooter was they had to secure funding for their project and investors are the kind of people to only invest in million dollar ideasyou see the problem even in established companies where they drop all their middle shelf franchises to focus on the blockbuster budget gamesbasically it was either make a hero shooter or make nothing at all
>>732950069>Everyone I knew who had any connection to the team or project had the same sentiments:>“This is lightning in a bottle.”>“I trust this team wholeheartedly.”>“If there’s one project nobody in the industry is worried will fail, it’s yours.”>“This has mainstream hit written all over it.”>“There’s no way this will flop.”>"I could play this game all day.">The internal pre-reveal feedback, even from unbiased sources, was quite positive, and where it was negative, it was constructive, and often actionable. People who played the game, including us, had a blast. And since we were an independent, self-published studio built with royalties in mind, many of us were hoping this could finally be the thing that broke the millennial financial curse.This actually screams to me that western devs need WAY more fucking people outside to give them feedback, there's no fucking way you had fucking YEARS of development time behind this and you don't get more critique on how fucking generic and bland looking this game is.This game might be another victim of "toxic positivity"
>>732952018Like some other anon said here, these people surround themselves with toxic positivity feedback This is what it led to
>we need a name for our game, that is catchy like Overwatch, maybe Highguard! but not so obvious!
>>732950069suffer highguard devs suffer
>>732950069>But then the trailer came out, and it was all downhill from there. Content creators love to point out the bias in folks who give positive previews after being flown out for an event, but ignore the fact that when their negative-leaning content gets 10x the engagement of the positive, they’ve got just as much incentive to lean into a disingenuous direction, whether consciously or not.The single most correct statement ever uttered, no wonder you're asspained about it.
>>732950823>my mom said it was really good!
>>732952168High = OverGuard = Watch
>>732950069they even wasted money on company t-shirts for everyone. How delusional were they?
>>732951947And of those two choices, they clearly made the wrong one.
>>732950069>Titanfall 3 died for this
Did they really not look at their poster character and think "Hm, this looks like it was designed by a DEI committee to be the most template black character possible"? No wonder you were turned into a joke. You are a joke!
>>732950069Do you faggots ever get tired of identity politics? Do you ever do anything with your lives besides doomscroll for the next hit of outrage?
>>732952321
>>732950069>I could play this game all dayThe game is out though, so why aren't those people playing it all day? They can play it, too.
>>732952448Was idpol even a thing here?I thought everyone was shitting on it for being the most soulless corpo slop ever. If Geoff didn’t hype it up as the second coming of christ I doubt anyone would even still be talking about it.
>>732952448There's no need to doomscroll when it's literally everywhere all the time on all channels delivered by every medium.
Having a blast
He is unironically not wrong, and that’s a good thing. Fuck AAA devs they deserve their skip to be mocked
>>732952321That's pretty standard
>>732950995This is what happens when women become a large enough portion of your project that they begin to impose their innate traits on it. You can have like 10% women on a project and it'll be fine. Once it becomes like 30%, or god forbid you establish groups like "women's councils", it's fucked. It becomes impossible to critique anything, because any critique is taken as a personal attack (even some kind of harassment that requires HR's involvement), which creates an environment of "toxic positivity" where everything is great no matter how shitty it is. Unless, that is, something agrees with the female hivemind, in which case it is taboo to even suggest and indeed suggesting it might also be considered a personal attack that should get HR involved. It becomes impossible to get anything done, so everyone just keeps their head down and focuses on what's in front of their face because considering the project as a whole induces so much anxiety from all the problems you can see (but aren't allowed to address) that it demoralizes everyone involved.I have zero sympathy for any of the people who are willing to live their lives this way, though. Every single one of them deserves to lose their jobs for being cowards who prioritize short-term comfort for long-term success. They're reading EXACTLY what they've sown. Literally suffering the consequences of their OWN actions. There is no greater justice in the world than that.Well, that's not true. They did actually get PAID for making this trash, which is unjust. True justice would be them losing their jobs and not getting paid anything for making a giant pile of shit. It's actually pretty surreal to see people acting like losing your job for doing a terrible job, but still having gotten paid for something that doesn't deserve pay, constitutes some kind of injustice. Which, well, that's true, but not for the sake of the workers, but for the sake of the financers.
>>732952431I bet when they had meetings on that character the first thing they said was "he can't be white"
(((sobel)))
>>732952448It's funny, I'm laughing
>>732952592oh really? I thought you could show up to work in a regular office shirt
>>732950995>Yeah I get it nobody wants to make a shit game usually but how do you spend years on a project and not come to the realization you were making dogshit?at z moment you can't go back and must continue and finish your game even if its bad or you think its bad
Why don't game devs just hire a single average, white male gamer to give their games a super quick glance over? Fucking everyone outside of their bubble would've been able to tell them their shit was a flop before they invested millions of dollars in it. What's the opposite of Sweet Baby Inc? That needs to exist and I'll do it.
>>732952448actually we don't even doomscrollwe literally do nothing
>>732950069>>732950069There is literally no excuse that the "modern audience" didn't show up. It was the last game in Geoff's awards, it's free, and, most importantly, the chuds hated it. So why are you STILL blaming the chuds for not playing your game?
>>732951912you're right that companies despise their customers, but its not a boomer thing, its a "keep up with inflation" thing. The endless chase for record breaking profits year in year out doesn't occur if the dollar retains its value year in year out and it doesnt occur if the (((federal reserve))) doesnt exist. Sure some greedy (((people))) will still chase those profits but those companies they run would naturally die out due to poor quality products in a properly regulated market>>732952613everything you said here is 100% true
>>732952658These companies are daycares for adults
>>732952783all they'll do is scream at you for being a Nazi and refuse to even pay you to put up with it
>>732952567>>732952571>>732952657>>732952813The outrage addicts want you to know their behavior is totally normal and not at all pathetic.
>>732952783>Why don't game devs just hire a single average, white male gamerbecause they have shit taste in video game
>>732952953>daycares for adultsnot even
Yeah. Just keep blaming your consumers like every other single company under the sun. I have to really wonder how much longer this shit can go on in general.These guys literally saw Concord go through the exact same thing as they did and they made the choice to continue to be delusional about their product.
>>732952448Maybe you should have just let us play video games.
>>732950069I don't care how long it took you to take a shit.
>>732950995these modern audience types are so bought into the whole liberal progressive ecosystem they genuinely don't have a pulse on society outside of that. Its necessarily very insular because when exposed to the world at large their worldview kind of crumbles in the face of observable reality in most cases.
Are we really gonna have these fucking endless articles spewing "we're just poor game developers with a dream trying to spread goodness in the world and you all ruined it you monsters!" EVERY TIME there's a new big game that NOBODY liked or even asked for?
>>732953025I lucked my way into a WFH jew daycare job. Only do 4-5 hours of work a day. I keep Twitch and /v/ tabs open to check on periodically when it gets slow. I will never go back to the wage cage.
Ah yes, the good ol "I had a blast"30 people "had a blast" while 10000 thought it was a mediocre piece of shit. If you shut yourself off and only cater to those 30 morons, what do you think is going to happen?At this point this has to be a giant money laundering scheme. Too many hundred million dollar projects STILL dare come up and die
>>732950983>is it us who's out of touch for making a game that everyone thought was a joke?>no, it's them who are poopie heads for laughing at us :(
>>732951548no we do in fact need more arena shooters not casual moba slop with hero abilities disguised as an arena shooter.i just had more fun playing ut2k4 with randos and bots for like an hour than a single shooter game made in the past decade.
>>732950995women and redditors HATE straightforward talk because it's "mean" and "toxic"
>it's the gamers fault!Arc raiders was paid and a new shooter and still made a profit. Maybe your game was just so shit that nobody wanted to play it even for free
>>732950069I told you retards that crowdfunding was literally the answer to all your problems but you shortsighted morons poisoned that well. You could have had what board games are having right now, being alive and thriving and not relying on chuds' money.
>>732950069sorry chud, you arent entitled to sales
>>732953048Maybe you should have paid for video games instead of stealing them like a bunch of nogs. Capitalists are gonna capital.
BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHA
>>732950069>everyone thought it was greatwho the fuck did you askthis is the problem with developers who don't actually play video games, they don't understand what people who actually play video games care about or what a good game even is.>I could play this game all daydidn't even show it to any of your customers who actually would play it all day. Just people who don't even play video games and get less than useless information.0 understanding of why people play video games and what they want out of them.
>>732953503???Leftoids are 90:10 more likely to pirate tho?
>>732950069>Content creators love to point out the bias in folks who give positive previews after being flown out for an event, but ignore the fact that when their negative-leaning content gets 10x the engagement of the positiveAfter setting my Twitter account to private to protect my sanity, many content creators made videos and posts about me and my cowardice, amassing millions of views and inadvertently sending hundreds of angry gamers into my replies. They laughed at me for being proud of the game, told me to get out the McDonald’s applications>and mocked me for having autism>We were turned into a joke from minute one, largely due to false assumptions about a million-dollar ad placement, which even prominent journalists soon began to state as fact.>Million dollar ad placement>We're at the whims of the consumer.Gee, maybe you made "Modern audience" slop and people have been tired of it for a long time.Gee, maybe your million dollar advertisement felt like a million dollar advertisement Jeff "knows about and loves to play" instead of a good game.All the makings of a shit game pushed by the industry for the industry- not for gamers.
>>732952448New cope angle brought to you from the makers of "EVERYTHING IS POLITCAL, CHUD, BETTER GET USED TO IT"
>>732953167>I keep Twitch openKill yourself
>>732953508>the team in question
>>732953508Toxic positivity.
>>732953705Even if that's true, they're 95:5 more likely to pay. This is why companies make products for them.
>>732953780Imagine the horrifying stench.
>>732953774wow that was pretty funny did grok generate that?
>>732953508
>>732953847It probably smells a lot like the basement you live in.
should have asked /v/ they would have told you this would fail and be dead with in the month so you could have saved all the dev time and money
>>732950069If they aren't lying about paying to be the final reveal, then Geoff Keighly really set them up for failure by having them be the last announcement, if it was announced in the middle of the show, the reaction might not have been nearly as bad, it still would have failed, but it would have taken a few months for the players to drop of instead of a day
>>732953395having quite literally seen people say that being direct = being aggressive, I just cannot understand people who think like this, they are just incompatible with me.I am never surprised to see them struggle when they say shit like this either.its an absurd way to live.
>>732953808>your truth is falsehood but my falsehood is trueShalom.
What's up with this guy? lol>>732953879>>732953967
>>732953508I can't even imagine what bizarre conversation could have led to these fake-sounding sentences
>>732953503?????
>>732954071highguard was my game and you killed it! I will never forgive you!
>>732952448Outrage is laughing at, mocking, belittling and taking the piss out of a guy who shot out his own kneecaps?
>>732950069Is this the "gamers are dead" v3?
Let's be real here. In an alternate timeline where Geoff never gave the game exposure at the awards and instead they stealth-sharted this out randomly one day, you weren't going to see a 100k peak that immediately fell to 2k. You'd see a 2k peak and a game that would probably sitting at low triple digit players right now. They don't know the market, they made a bad call, the game was doomed to not succeed. But this way, they can pretend it wasn't their fault and the result of a hate campaign so they can justify trying it again. They never learn and never will.
>>732954124It lived and died on its own merits. People played it and found it wanting.
>>732952981
>>732953508half expected>she looks just like me!
sobel is a kike, he’ll start his new nepo job at blizzard soon
>>732953780I'd throughly clean and then fuck the jeeta on the left tbqh
>>732950069>make uninspired trash without any appeal>get punished for making uninspired trash without any appealat least make characters sexy and models easy to rip so we can make porn of porn
>>732953792There’s toxic positivity and then there’s being straight up delusional.The people who greenlit this shit are living in a whole different reality if they genuinely thought it would be the next big thing.
>people notice things like how it's a shitty version of titanfall >ugh these copy pasted hate brigades!!!Make a good game simple as>this is lightning in a bottle>This has mainstream hit written all over it! Literally no one said that and if they did they were lying. It sounds like AI babble
>>732950069What the fuck are these reyards thinking or are they thinking at all. Why the fuck would i stop playing a better hero shooter that has had years of bug fixes optimization fixes and added content to play a shitty buggy and badly optimized piece of shit. All hero shooter likes will turn into concord level failures. Same thing with extraction shooters and battle royals
>>732954071Outraged lefty is outraged at outrage culture. You're the one being outrageous btw not the guy saying "Success was owed, everyone loved it".
>>732953847Sour body odor and ethnic cooking nuked in a microwave for 30 minutesDon’t wish it on anyone
>>732950069>>732953508>This amount of delusionGuess I'll put my trust in gachas then, the west is truly doomed.
>>732953508>You told me this was lighting in a bottle!>Because I didn't want to get close to it!DOHOHOHOHOHOHOOOO
Kind of fucking crazy all they had to do was make Titanfall 3 and make it the final game announcement. Assuming they can restrain themselves from fucking it up with idpol everyone would be happy and multi-player doesn't exactly have a narrative.
>>732954518kek
>>732950069Shiteguard may not have crashed and burned as fast and gloriously as Concord, but the dev and journo meltdowns over its failings are way better. Plus there's still no way in hell this game sees Halloween.
>>732950069That's not what he said at all. Are you literate?
>>732952340Well, retarded investors losing money does have an upside. Just wish it didn't take forever for people to learn.>>732952448Translation: Why won't you be quiet and let us inject our insanity into everything?
>>732950995>how do you spend years on a project and not come to the realization you were making dogshitNot even dogshit, they were making literally the most derivative hero shooter slop imaginable. It would've been mocked even if it came out like 5 years ago before the fatigue really started to set in. And yet they were telling each other shit like "this is lightning in a bottle" and "there's no way this will flop". It's one of the most clear cut cases of toxic positivity I've seen
>>732954569>Assuming they can restrain themselves from fucking it up with idpolLiterally impossible for these people, the idpol is what they really care about and the game is just a way to package it.
>>732950983The only correct part is that content creators are incentivized to make videos about stuff they hate rather than love, but it misses the point they're making them about stuff people already hate. It's not like Highguard or Concord would've been a success if only e-celeb#1337 didn't say "wokeslop" live on twitch during the game's reveal
>>732950069hehehewokie wokie going brokie
>>732954830>This has mainstream hit written over itHe viewed it as a compliment, even.
>>732950995okay buddy, you go and do that. here's what's going to happen>one of your coworker complains to HR you are creating a toxic workplace environment>your boss tells you that you exhibit a negative attitude>your performance review is marked as 'not meeting expectation' because you are 'not a team player'>you are quietly encouraged to 'voluntarily leave' for someone who's willing to drink the koolaid.have fun
>>732953779sorry chud, it's where gaming happensnow, if he had said "I keep luna open"that'd be a bad sign
>>732955387Generally speaking you described probably the most common workplace dysfunction where management views criticism but especially from within as borderline malicious even if presented constructively.
>>732955552Kill yourself
>>732950069tl;dr>had a blast
>>732955601nobut you're welcome to keep seething tranny
I really find it hard to believe that any veteren dev that played a match or two of a preview Highguard build would say anything like "you've got a hit on your hands" or "I could play this all day" I'm not even going to say anything about the aesthetic presentation, the gameplay loop is just...very strange and jarring compared to contemporaries.Is this an actual case of industry circle-jerking?
The customer is always right.You need to look inward if the product everyone was praising internally is completely rejected by it’s target demographic. Plenty of other games out there succeed in spite of all those evil grifters and chuds.
>>732955387I hate that shit so much and it actively makes things worse for the customer.>everybody else blows off all the calls for customer service areas>spend half your day covering multiple jobs no one wants>meets expectations, can't tell you how to improve>laziest person is always picked for the manager opening>keep promising a position and it never comes
>>732952448I'm having a blast desu
>>732954014>capitalists only make products to lose moneyschizopost
But I didn’t do anything.
>>732950069>crashing out this hard that nobody is playing Concord with horses
>>732950069>autism in my bio, which they seemed to think was evidence the game would be “woke trash.”KeeeeekkkHe's seething bigly
>>732954108all those games you were torrenting from suprnova had a hidden costyou have been living that cost for the past 17 years as you seethe about the woke video games industry every day of your miserable life
>>732955387>>one of your coworker complains to HR you are creating a toxic workplace environment>Not just transforming it into "he-said she-said" by saying a toxic work environment is being created
>>732957089sounds like cope to me
>>732950069You had 100,000 concurrent playercount on steam at launch and you squandered it because people didn't like your gameEverything out of your mouth is copeggnore
>17th century swivel guns, but so huge that the recoil would tear the swivel apart>ak-47s with some shit tacked on>riding some mythical mounts>in a scifi settingwho the FUCK was their art director?
>>732957306You can do that but most people don’t want to stir up a shitpit of drama in the office they are forced to spend almost every day of their life in.
where did the phrase economic terrorism come from and why is it only in gaming circles? isn’t that just boycott?
Woke media used to be cool, edgy and awesome like The Witcher or Mass Effect games. I don't even recognize it anymore :(
>>732950069These commies need to learn
>>732950069Don't these retards know that competitive multislop is dead? Everybody playing it are the only people who will be playing it for the foreseeable future, there's no growth to be had in this dogshit, multisloppers do not switch games.
>>732957553rightwing 4chan meme, so epstein
>>732950069Toxic positivity and delusion.
>>732950995>So what happened?Academic game design!Back then you had some hacks in a garage, people from very different professions coming together to make this newfangled vidya thing, but nowadays there is a META. These people got TAUGHT game design instead of exploring the field by themselves. In their mind, they are doing everything right by their textbook definition of game design. Naturally, our game SHOULD be a success, right?! It's all been solved and we checked all the boxes, why didn't it work?!These guys are following a meta and feel like it should lead to 100% success, because how could the meta be wrong? There's no critical thinking going on here.
>>732950069content creators don't determine whether games are successful lol.
>>732952783>Why don't game devs just hire a single average, white male gamer to give their games a super quick glance over?they already do
>>732952448It’s hilarious that you think IDPol comes from us
>>732950584If you need an e-celeb to tell you what to think you're retarded. I knew the game was shit and didn't need anyone to tell me so when I saw the trailer live on the TGAs
>>732958141It doesn't come from you, it comes from the pedophile cabal that grooms you. You just consume it like an NPC being programmed.
>>732957290The fuck are you talking about you hrt addled schizo, take your meds before you shoot up a school you massive faggot.
he didnt say that
>“This is lightning in a bottle.”>“I trust this team wholeheartedly.”>“If there’s one project nobody in the industry is worried will fail, it’s yours.”>“This has mainstream hit written all over it.”>“There’s no way this will flop.”>"I could play this game all day."Next time listen to people that play games not your moms.
>>732950069>The internal pre-reveal feedback, even from unbiased sources, was quite positiveWhat would an unbiased source of internal feedback even be?
>>732950069how long until every AI realizes positive platitude speech style is the mark of the low IQ
>>732958343oh right, you're underage
>>732950069>several paragraphs of yap>not once does he take accountability or even acknowledge that the game's lack of success is... because of the gamedeserved flop
>>732957290I have never stolen or pirated any gamesDownloading torrents of old roms that the modern leadership refuses to sell to me is not wrong morally or legally and I stand by that
>>732958105Can't be true, otherwise we wouldn't have had games like Veilguard, Highguard, and Conguard. It takes 3 seconds to look at the concept art and you'd know it's a flop.
>>732958478>I have never stolen or pirated games>immediately defends stealing and pirating gamesloland you got exactly what you paid for
>>732950069If the game was fun to play, people would've just enjoyed it.
>>732958468>Instantly thinks about young childrenOk groomer
>>732958554Wait a minute highguard is fucking free to play the hell are you on about?
>>732958606you need to be 18+ to post on 4chan, son
>>732950069>Content creators' negative-leaning content get 10x the engagement of the positive, they've got just as much incentive to lean into a disingenuous direction, whether consciously or not.>"t-the game is actually good, content creators just have incentive to lie about it for views!"There's no way this motherfucker is serious.
>>732958642Uh oh, the NPC is stuck in a loop
All this pointless retarded babble for nothing. Players were sick of generic or awful looking hero shooters with uninspired gameplay and they've been vocally telling devs to stop the fucking trend. Not our fault he hasn't been reading or listening.
>>732950069>We don't need more than 1000 players for it to be a success>Get 2000 players instead>Our game failed!Pick one you motherfuckers
>>732958340Don't be angry, jewboy. Your choices led you to where you are. It's all. your. fault.Man up and take accountability.
>>732950069> censor everything you don't like> complain later there was no warningleftists are all fem thinkers
>>732950069>The hate started immediately. In addition to dogpiling on the trailer, I personally came under fire due to my naïveté on Twitter, which almost all of my now-former coworkers had learned to avoid during their previous game launches. After setting my Twitter account to private to protect my sanity, many content creators made videos and posts about me and my cowardice, amassing millions of views and inadvertently sending hundreds of angry gamers into my replies. They laughed at me for being proud of the game, told me to get out the McDonald’s applications, and mocked me for listing having autism in my bio, which they seemed to think was evidence the game would be “woke trash.” All of this was very emotionally taxing.I hate woke garbage, but he's right. The culture war sloptubers are absolutely fucking unhinged.
>>732950069How can someone be this delusional to still think its not the game's fault it didn't succeed?They had OVER 100K PLAYERS at launch. That's 100k+ people that genuinely decided to try the game and give it a chance. And almost none of those 100k people decided to stick around longer than A WEEK.
>>732958739Damn....I can't believe I'm been so epically owned... One copy of highguard...please
>>732958849The mossad and epstein are involved in your grooming, yes. I bet you didn't even know that Moot had lunch with Epstein the day before he brought /pol/ back.
I'm a gamedev and I don't expect anyone to play my game.
>>732950069>But blast's were had all around!The worst part is these useless retards will just fail upwards into another position and dev team due to connections to restart the entire process for the next 5+ years of slop just to be completely baffled once more that nobody want's to play their trash, total industry death can't come quick enough.
>>732958603The thing is, the online shooter market is saturated. You either have to come in with something revolutionary on its face or piggyback off an existing large IP to have any chance of staying power. Just being adequately "fun" but otherwise unremarkable in setting/aesthetic and gameplay isn't enough for the long term, even for a free game, when most every player who wants this sort of game is already spoken for; especially not if you release it with no promotion between reveal and release. God help me for saying this, but even Sony at least TRIED to promote Concord before it came out.
>>732958997You've been seething about woke media for 15 years straight with no end in sight. Of course it's over for you.
>>732959021I don't care. Your game failed because you're a dipshit who knows nothing about video games.
>>732950069>largely due to false assumptions ... which even prominent journalists soon began to state as factGood, now the other side knows how that feels.
>>732950069This is just karma. Make them pay for what they did since gamergate.
>>732959021I can't believe Epstein and Moot were behind the failure of Highgaurd all along!
>>732958901I honestly agree and even have some empathy. But I don't for a second believe they were the reason the game failed.
>>732959106>>732959196jewish rat hands typed these posts
>>732958901I'd put my Vara in her Dark.
If I don't like a game, I just don't buy it. I don't know why I'd need to message the creator and tell him I personally dislike his game.But he shouldn't let these people go rent free trolling him
>>732957869Good way to put it. It's like when people follow guides in a multiplayer game brainlessly and then whine about their teammates when they lose. Couldn't have been them right? They followed the meta build!
>>732950069>live-service goyslop floppedYeah, the Internet did a good thing for once.
>>732958901Theese sloptubers just reflect the common sentiment. If Highguard hate wasn't grassroots they only would have made a single video about it then moved on when the views didn't come in.
>>732959087That doesn't sound like me you silly billy
We used to have so many shooters that were woke and male-friendly. What happened?! It's as if everything is made for 30-60 year old women now..
>>732959250Don't have empathy for worthless cunts who make predatory live service cancer and attack you for not eating their shit. They deserve everything happening to them now and more. They should be thankful for the publicity getting them higher concurrent players than a shadow drop would have ever gotten them. Probably bought those pieces of shit an extra day or two of employment.
>>732959482Ah, one of those new NPC models then
>>732959530Production budgets skyrocketed since the 7th gen and the powers that be decided that they need to attract the biggest possible audience. The thing is, they've also very much taken the male audience for granted- so they make female-oriented slop and then get surprised when the boys and men refuse to participate.
>>732950069Overwatch sucks. Nobody likes or wants Overwatch. You made yet another Overwatch. It failed for no other reason. All of that cope just to ignore reality. What a retard.
>>732951548If the OP guy is being genuine he's incredibly naïve, maybe he is actually autistic
>>732959691Go away, you schizophrenic israelite robot.
>>732959691Ever wonder if you're actually the NPC?
>>732958901should have just made a good game :)
>>732959778They started hiring women and jeetsIt's that simpleIt used to be that gamers would make gamesNow it's just a bunch of entry level cs grads and retards who took a programming course for a certificate and need a paycheck but can't get hired at FAANG
>>732959861Not really, I'm not told how to think by Steve Bannon
>>732960020Right, you watch CNN instead!
>>732960000HD development is expensive, man.But the independent scene seems to be in rude health thanks to easy, wide distribution.
>>732960020No, you're told how to think by CNN and Hassan
>ctrl+f blastblasts were had
>>732950069I knew this game was bad when the top of the broccoli haircut on their mascot came into frame. Id have been able to tell it was bad even if i was blind the moment someone described it as a multiplayer shooter with battlepasses. The internet didnt need to say or do a thing.
>>732950178If he's the guy in the middle, he kind pf looks like the Safdie brothers, so I'd say 100% chance.
>>732960079CNN is a right wing news network, why would I watch that? I'm no NPC.>>732960157I also don't get my orders from twitch e-celeb faggots like you.
>>732950069>Content creators love to point out the bias in folks who give positive previews after being flown out for an event, but ignore the fact that when their negative-leaning content gets 10x the engagement of the positive, they’ve got just as much incentive to lean into a disingenuous direction, whether consciously or not.He's rightJust look at "influencers" constantly attacking nintendo and even silksongs devs(for making their game $20)
>>732951358>delusional californian echo chamberGosh, I wonder what went wrong?
>>732959530It's very simple.Executives looked at their market reach and noticed that the vast vast majority of their money came from men, and that virtually all men played video games.From this, they reasoned that the women's market was mostly untouched and that games should attempt to pander to both men and women to potentially double their target audience.They knew what to do but they did not know how to do it. And they wanted it done fast anyway so competitors wouldn't dominate the market before them. So they did the logical thing of hiring specialists on women (who are generally women themselves) to tell them what women want. They listened and changed the course of their planned releases. Specialists told them to hire more people, so they did. Small investment for a big payout.When it did not wield the financial results they hoped, they wanted to know why. So they asked... the very specialists they had hired to build the game. They told them a whole bunch of reasons, typically unrelated to the gameplay, and convinced them to give them another chance. The problem of coursex was not enough specialist-picked personnel on the payroll.So again they listened, and again the game failed. And this time, because executives are only mostly retarded and not fully lost in the sauce, they looked at the real market, they looked at the state of their competitors, they looked at their team, they looked at the experiences and skill of these teams at actually building a decent vidya.And then they shut the studio down
>>732954274goku's belt
>>732960157>I download my opinions from influencers so that means everyone else is a cuck like me
>>732960109It doesn't need to be expensive, it's expensive because they're paying administrators and 3x the number of devs they need because they have initiatives and incentives to hire women and brownsWuchang cost like 15M to develop, and around 40M total with marketing, Wukong cost under 45MYes chinks, but it might cost 100M for a proper team of devs instead of the typical bloated team of retards and diversity hires that shit out concord for 400M
>>732954830People were shitting on Lawbreakers 10 fucking years ago for these exact same reasons. How these people didn't realize they were literally making the exact same game and didn't see the writing on the wall is nothing short of astounding
uh ohmeltie
>>732960449I will never understand how thousands of incels got so mindbroken that they still obsess over to trannies to this day. This NPCism needs to be studied one day.
>>732960328>>732960449>they immediately deflect to defend their mastergood dog, make sure to donate
>>732960574>he donates to asmongoldoh nonononononoooo hahahahaahah
>>732960449Lefties sure love projecting.
>>732960574
>>732960680nta but I donate to Nick Fuentes. U mad?
>>732960761
>>732960459The Chinese are keen and motivated to do a good job. West Coast americans are fat, lazy and feel entitled to success.
>>732960774>donating money to e-celebsliterally anyone who does this deserves a slow painful death
>>732960774>I cuck myself for e-celebs, I bet that makes you really angry!reddit moment
>>732960873>>732960912Seething
>>732960774As they say, a rightist would literally eat the diarrhea out of Trump's ass if he knew anyone who isn't a mossad cuck would have to smell their breath
>>732960830Who mentioned anything about troons?
>>732960328>>732960574>>732960449>>732960680>>732960761>>732960765>>732960774Kids, kids, you're both... just... awful.
>>732950069He'd find better success at McDonalds.
>>732958261I need e-celebs to tell me what not to think>check Fully Ramblomatic>Yahtzee bitches about Mewgenics having problematic people meowing>buy it install it start playing before the end credits are done
>>732960981I would be too if I gave money to a right wing grifter
>>732961000Damn, you sure have weird fap fantasies
>>732951610>Puts Japanese guy back in charge of SIEFor real? That's fantastic news
>>732953508t. Underlings with major conflicts of interests, and whose capacity to feed their cat this month depends heavily upon them having this corporate game development job in probably-California.But I do like how some of them are pushing the idea that Highguard devs were a plucky, up and coming independent indie developers who got raped by the racist, sexist gamers. When really, they employ 100+ people, and definitely spend over a million a month just maintaining operations alone. Tens if not hundreds of millions published by the dinosaurs in the business, who've ruined other franchises.I also have a feeling that the sources to how Dorito Pope gave them the final spot in the game trailers is also a big fake. Or at least a cover story, in an attempt to save face to how none of them foresaw this as Concord 2. Or why nobody in management pulled the cord on it, like with Hyenas.But there's no way game journalists would outright lie to the public for shareholders and clot, right?
>>732950178A real scout doesn't need to search the Early Life section on Wikipedia Jimbo, he goes by pure animal instinct.
>>732950069>bake all the lighting so the game runs well>focus only on the sieging part with a 1 minute "prep" where attackers ride in and buy gear>it's fantasy r6: siege 6v6 on a big jungle map>have a campaign that releases missions twice a yearwas it really so hard? it's not like r6: siege has competition there are plenty of people who liked apex or titanfall gameplay that wouldn't mind a bomb mode as a deep standalone gamesuddenly the name makes sense it's a high fantasy game where you guard an objective
>>732960384That's crazy. To risk such a successful creative industry full of beloved woke and male-friendly game franchises like Gears of War, The Witcher, Grand Theft Auto, etc. Let's hope the industry rapidly corrects course back to their true audience.
>>732950069>Everyone I knew connected to the project was blowing smoke up their own, and my ass
>>732961151Can anyone translate this ESL for me? What's a fap fantasy?
Fairgame$ was mysteriously absent from the S(l)oP, that had to have been old seller's by niw
>>732961231>But there's no way game journalists would outright lie to the public for shareholders and clot, right?Oh, everyone knows there's no profession more honest than game journalism!
>>732961350Thanks for exposing yourself as a tourist
>>732961080What views does he pretend to have? Because that's what a grifter is
>>732961358but I want to play Jade's game...
>>732961350Are you pretending to be retarded?
>>732961509Which one of these is Jade Raymond responsible for?
>>732961485Lefties love and worship joggers so much that they believe anyone that doesn't is clearly just lying and pretending not to.
>>732950069Ugly dyke nigger characters I do not play
>>732961589Fairgame$. She founded the studio making it but left under mysterious circumstances somewhat recently.
>>732950710I would've given it try if they gave her bigger tits
>>732960384This is a retarded take. It's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that the specialists are wrong. Executives CHOSE to ignore what they knew to be true in order to do what they thought was morally correct, because they're part of the older boomer generation who hate men on such a deep intrinsic level that they're not even consciously aware of it. You can see it in how all the media they make is man-hating or how all the initiatives they support are man-hating. Stuff like 400+ feminist initiatives being given billions of dollars to "help women code" but not a single one doing the same for men, gender quotas that explicitly discriminate against men, people (women) being hired in their organizations explicitly to remove things from their products that men like, etc. They didn't do these things because they naively thought that it would make them money. They did them because they unironically hate men, and they don't care that this will lose them money. Same thing you saw with Bud Light or Gillette or Jaguar, where they lost billions of dollars being explicitly anti-male and then their executives even come out and say that they're proud of it and that they would do it again.None of these things are accidents, or done naively, or done in service of money. They're intentional, malicious, and sacrificing money on a political and ideological altar.
>>732961712are you retarded? of all the things you could pick to hate you pick something that's not true or a problem
>>732961824lmao no they are ugly
>>732961824Too bad wokefaggot, not playing ugly nigger characters
>>732950069>listing having autism in my biothere is literally no reason to ever do something like this. if you're a person, you're a person. if you think you're special, then you're virtue signalling. if you're saying it in the context of a little blue hat, then your entire account and voice are worthless, because you're so SO special, that you're actually a retarded subhuman. >All products are at the whims of the consumerssounds like they should have done some market research then, because you can see people's LIVE REACTIONS to the trailer (not calculated negative takes) that it was absolute shit. even in giving the game a fair shake and analysis, it was like 3 games in one. trying to do a variety of things, but none of them particularly well or better than the other game they got it from. >At launch, we received over 14k review bombs from users with less than an hour of playtime. Many didn't even finish the required tutorial.and if they just made a good game, people wouldnt have gone there with such immediate impressions, and they would have retained enough players to create actual positive reviews to drown out the shitters anyway. everything was 100% deserved. >this is lightning in a bottleyou have your head down and isolated in just this game that you were clueless to the outside world/market. its wasnt lightning in a bottle. it may not have been diarrhea in a dixie cup like concord, but painting/polishing a turd until its pretty doesnt make it not a turd.
>>732952431Many did, surely. But in this situation you can either speak your mind and be fired immediately, or stay quiet and be laid off some time later.
>>732950995>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IM11RtGLJ8TL;DW: toxic positivity, broken feedback loop, mentally ill devsmaybe Highguard devs and the game itself wasn't as woke as Concord, but it's clear the type of person that game devs have become in the last 10-15 years: left leaning, intimidated by criticism, ego through the roofjust imagine having the weirdo in pic related as your co worker and having to tell it that something it created sucked and needs to change, and finding yourself in a HR meeting the next day for harassmentthe result is you're probably going to shut down and start doing the bare minimum and ignore everything else
>>732950069>But then the trailer came out, and it was all downhill from there.It was downhill from when we saw the DEI mystery meat protagonist, friend.
>>732960172
>>732950325False. There are tons of bad and mid games coming out that nobody even notices.
>>732962180Dark Brandon was not hyped
>>732952448Oh, sure, blame US, the only people in the world to ever be entertained by Highguard.
>>732960172I use the word "blast" precisely because it will trigger schizos.
>>732962150That's a man
>>732950069>had a blastwhat's with soimales and this phrase
>>732962150Pretty much describes woke in general. Toxic environment, the good people leave and the garbage finishes the product. It fails. Outcry.
>>732950069This makes no sense. How could they think this was good? They never played another video game in their lives?
>epstein made highguard and concord failthis is the funniest cope I've seen all week
>>732962406It probably all has to do with that Blast Processing that Sega put in their advertisements back in the 90's.
>>732950069blasthavers…did we get BLASTED???
>>732951407I called this. It's the industry pulling the oldest trick in the book. >Nintendo censors stuff>sony plays the hero who gives you titties>lots of money made>sony censors everything and slurps californian cock>Nintendo swoops in with the epic fanservice>lots of money made>rinse and repeatI can't believe you people still fall for this.
>>732962746Games and movies were better with Epstein and Weinstein around. Look at E33. Put a 16yo in it and BAM, success.
>>732950069How many members of the team are going to be absorbed by Sony and put to work on that new Horizon game?The Blackrock cycle must continue.
>>732963025Sony has a shitload of live service people already. A shitload.
>>732950069>naïvetéis this a real word?
>>732950584I don't need ecelebs telling me which games are good or not. But I do enjoy watching them shit on trash games
>>732963081No, French isnt a real language
>>732953508The team probably used chatgpt to come with these instead of playing the game
>>732963071Not for long. They'll all be out of jobs soon enough too. Marathon is next month and poised to be Concord 3 or 4, likely sinking Bungie for good.
>>732958340Lmao, you cunts are so cooked
>>732953508This is what absolutely every single woke and live service flop developer of the past 10 years have told themselves in the mirror on a daily basis. This is cult conditioning at its finest.
>>732952448I do get tired of identity politicsI will never get tired of people making bad games fail
>>732962281You actually use it because you're a shill, but ok.Let me predict the next part of your script:>lol see, you're schizo!!1!Hang yourself.
>>732962293no, it's a bio woman. she's just extremely ugly
>>732962150>wanted unvaxxed staff firednothing wrong with this one
>>732952448Outrage will continue until ethnostate is established
>from the creators of EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL CHUD
>>732950710>economic terroristsKEK, I keep forgeting that
>>732960020Steve Bannon has said that it weren't for Democrats mismanaging the economy George Floyd would have been a manager at a General Motors plant and have been at his lake house fishing that weekend instead of dying. He said this live, on a popular political show.most republicans are basically antifa with slightly fewer bad tattoos
>>732953121yes
>>732953808Why do the games flop then?
>>732950710>economic terroristsNOT BUYING THE GOYSLOP IS ANTI-SEMITIC!!!
>>732960774Leftoid false flag
>>732950069The game would have bombed regardless of TGS or not, but he's right about the overreaction and bullying by the gaming public. Ever since it received the spotlight people have been cheering non-stop for its failure, when the people who made this game made no mistake except for allowing Geoff to put the trailer as the last thing in his show.For real, I'd hate working in the gaming industry. Upset the wrong crowd and thousands of people will wish for your career to end and to live a life of misery. Never seen so much animosity in any industry I've worked in. I think only politics is more brutal than this.
>>732964557>when the people who made this game made no mistake except formaking the game>Upset the wrong crowd and thousands of people will wish for your career to end and to live a life of misery>Oh no, the mean comments on twitter? Time to kill myselfMake a bad movie and thousands of people will wish for you to die, make a bad youtube video and thousands of people will wish for you to die, make a retarded tweet and thousands of people will wish for you to die. Even if you don't receive this hate directly, your mere existance and beliefs mean that millions of people would be glad if you were to die. Just accept it and live with it (while also wishing for them to die)
>>732964557u should see the linux/foss community
>>732964557>the people who made this game made no mistake except for-They made the mistake of producing an extremely generic multiplayer shooter when the genre is not just saturated, but 'tired.'
>>732964557oh and this is also part of the "culture war" plaguing movies toomovies r pretty much exclusively anti woke though, nobody really cares if the spongebob movie is boring slop, they only care if spongebob is gay or trans or black
>>732964557>the people who made this game made no mistake except for allowing Geoff to put the trailer as the last thing in his show.>>>>>"no mistake"
>>732965169im still firmly in the camp that geoff was the smartest move they could makeyeah hate clicks dont translate to real players but it was better than "shadowdropping" the game to cricketsid argue geoff is the only reason they even had a real launch, and the schizo in me says they never really intended to shadowdrop the game, but intentionally took the marketing deal and then told that one journalist to make an article about the game having no hype
>>732964887>>732965169there are plenty of games made in oversaturated genres that quietly die or nobody ever hears of. The devs being naive is not indicative of malicious practice, only stupidity.Fact is, Highguard launching and dying without breaking the news at all would have been preferable for the ones who made the game. Imagine putting this game on your CV now. Might as well move to another industry.
>>732964557I think it's all part of a broader cultural issue where the gaming public is deeply unhappy over the loss of its male audience focused, woke, edgy games. They have a point. It's all very lame, safe and low energy nowadays. This is no longer your uncle's woke but something far worse.
>>732965559>Imagine putting this game on your CV nowYeah, imagine having something like>project lead for Concordor>made Hunt Down The FreemanIn your CVOh wait, those people got a job less than a week after their last failure was the most popular trashpile to shit on
>>732950069I think the real issue is everyone was wondering what's the point. These guys left the big AAA company to go indie. You'd assume doing this they'd make something new or unique but instead made something they would've been allowed to make at the company. The designs are corporate, it's a live service game, it has loot rarity, it's also got no thought put into it's character designs.So why did they leave if they were going to do the same thing?
>>732965581the irony of calling it woke is extremely corporate safeanti woke gamers arent fighting political activists at this point, theyre fighting the status quoto outline this, ill give you a line and you tell me if you as a business should agree with it>black people are human and not feral animals who rape murder and steal everything in their path>trans people are humans who have feelings and should not be shot on sightthats basically the propaganda you get in a corporate environment. they are taught that if you are against trans people or black people you are a genocidal maniac and should be excluded from societyand when you market your slogans in a corporate friendly way they wonder why people disagree with them, because to them you sound clinically insanebut because of this theres absolutely zilch in terms of political activism. they think theyre just being normal functional human beings
>>732965863>those people got a job less than a week after their last failureI call bullshit
>The millennial financial curseThe what?
>>732965301what's the difference? this was completely DOA either waygoing to Geoff was basically begging for a dumpster fire instead of a quiet death
>>732965873they were already corrupted by the big studio. the call was coming from inside.
>>732950069Kind of odd how they keep pointing out how negative reviews are less than an 30 minutes of playtime, but there's also a ton of positive reviews doing the exact same thing. How could you glaze a game so hard without even played the tutorial?
>>732950069>sobel>whiny>incompetent>blame-shiftingwow, just like the band of brothers guy
>>732950069Cool I felt somewhat bad because Dorito Pope sent the game to die, but now I don't feel bad because they now blaming everyone else.This does still feel like an elaborate joke from the industry setting up a game to fail
>>732962061>I HAVE A RETARDATION THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T BE MEAN TO MEIs the underlying tone of what he's trying to say
>>732966194personally im spinning this as anti steam deck hate from the devs because the game requires windows secure bootnobodys buying it but fuck u u hate linux gamers, u hate steam usersfuck off
>>732965992quiet death would be the same outcome but theyd just never have had a chance at allyou saw how many people played it when it was featured last at the game awards which millions of people sawyou would never have heard about this game existing if it werent for thatonly difference is thered be no scapegoat theyd just have to take blame for it cause literally nobody would know the game exists
>>732950069>“This is lightning in a bottle.”before the game even comes out
>>732950069>Are we developers so out of touch?>No, it's the consumers who are wrong.
>>732965873I know that >INDIE means independentBut to call HighGuard Indie and allow it to fall into the same space as fucking Silksong just doesn't seem right
>>732962892>fall for this.Fall for what? Buying things when they offer something I want and not buying when they dont?
>>732965914I exaggerated with one week, but it rarely takes them more than few months to get into an even bigger positionPicrel is Lisa Brown, Concord's "professor" and the HTDF guy worked at Activision for CoD Mobile for few years and now works at Sony
>>732966493remember when bioware codenamed anthem "project dylan" because they thought, like bob dylan himself, the game would be talked about forever?to be fair though overconfidence is fine its just funny to laugh about in hindsight when you know it flopped
>>732966569>fall for whatPaying inflated prices because "I'm supporting the good guys" moments before they censor everything to hell and back.Have some principles.
>>732950069>Many didn't even finish the required tutorial.Ye, because the servers fucking gave. Imagine launching an online game like this. Fucking idiots.
>>732966589yeah the games industry cycles people around most of them leave when a product launches even if they arent laid offthats why in live service games you start off with a big crew and then as time goes on you get new blood and lose all your old people when the stuff they worked on was donethe difference here is these guys werent done and had a bunch of content planned to ship and got laid off anyways, which leads to the question "wtf were u going to do if nobody played the game"
>>732966493>It'll be the next Star WarsAll Concord's suffer the same fate
>>732966530I think, once you get to a certain scale (and not that large, either), you cease being indie and just become 'a company'.Wildlight, however, was definitely full-corporate from the get-go. Had those guys ever done any bedroom coding, like the lads at Introversion (Darwinia)? I really, really doubt it.
and what the fuck, Introversion just released something new that I never heard of until this moment.https://store.steampowered.com/app/1857080/The_Last_Starship/
>>732966884the giveaway is they talked about how they had investors to answer to who demanded it be a hero shooteryou may not be working at ea but you're doing the same shit ea would make you do
>>732962206an actual good game with so much exposure and 100k players day1 would absolutely not have flopped like this.most games have the issue that nobody ever heard of them. here everybody did and thought it was repulsive.
>>732963081>american education
The supporters are fucking weird, man.
>>732961462>>732961510ESL pls go
>>732961485your best interest
>>732967068the devs think we're fighting them but really we're fighting the people they answer toyou may not want to be labelled as anti corporation ro anti capitalist or whatever but by rejecting these games you are engaged in anti corporatism and to an extent anticapitalismgames like this are the endgame stage of investors trying to make a quick buck on entertainment, where they stop caring about the quality or implications of the shit they fund but only think in terms of dollars
>>732966804>thats why in live service games you start off with a big crew and then as time goes on you get new blood and lose all your old people when the stuff they worked on was doneWhat were they even working on, coordinating the 50 outsourced jeet studios like >>732942205 ?>Get hired as lead artist>Your job is to check daily on the progress of third world studios you outsourced all your models to>They finish making skins for the next season, get laid off or quit to go find work at another studio to coordinate (probably the same) 50 outsourced studios>Some other guy gets hired in your place to coordinate (likely also the same) 50 outsourced studios for the next season's skinsIs this what modern development really looks like?
>>732950069BoohooFRIES IN THE FUCKING BAG
>>732963375ok bot, time for you to sleep
>>732950069Developers treating journalists like allies and heroes for gobbing their knob while treating consumers and independent content creators like scum will never cease to amaze me. Like, I get wanting to bust a fat ego nut, but why do they act as though everyone BUT the people who are going to pay for the product are important and worth respecting?
>>732950069You get new consumers. Sports games don't lower themselves to Steamies
>>732950710nathan grayson is an ancient enemy. kotaku writer and ex boyfriend of zoe quinn.he was using his journo position to gas her up in indie circles.
>>732963462how does one make a bad game fail?
>>732964557Any publicity is good publicity when your product is actually good.Do you remember how utterly reviled Deus Ex Human Revolution was? From the very moment they released a teaser for Deus Ex 3, everyone was shitting on it relentlessly. Then the E3 press demo leaks, people actually get to play it, and the entire reception 180s.
>>732967271honestly yeah thats basically what modern software dev looks like lolbut im talking about like core writers, core designers, core artists, the people that made the gameyoull see in some of these long term mmos huge stylistic changes season to season or a severe drop in writing quality, different level design, etc.
>>732967374If you're a developer, it's easy! Just make a bad game with a conceited attitude guiding your efforts!
>>732965882Yeah, I don't know about all that "they're genocidal so now we have to subvert their every expectation and give them DA: Veilguard, Concord, Forspoken, Redfall, Hyenas, Highguard, etc" stuff
>>732967232this studio claims its indie and its ex developers of AAA studios. thats not really believable because they clearly got some funding from somewhere but they arent strictly like EA. but their goal was probably to end up like EA because how can you claim to be indie, secure funding for what is supposed to be your dream game and then deliver something that looks exactly like some shit EA would shit out?but I think its showing a different problem entirely, the incredibly insular bubble that is western game development. completely out of touch with people, extremely defensive and entitled.still using their journalist buddies to shield them. once again they all claim everybody they asked thought it looked great but no actual humans ended up liking it.then the typical blaming of the audience. clearly it was a hater conspiracy to make the game fail. maybe even gamergate!satanic jews like bobby kotick were at least honest when they pulled unholy shit. this is clearly a general western dev issue because its a pattern that repeats itself.
>>732964557>when the people who made this game made no mistakeI would argue the dev complaining that the customers are wrong is a perfect example of why their entire project was a massive investor mistake.
>>732950069>lightning in a bottleit was a fart in a bottle
>>732967698i wish id saved the dev response because one of them tweeted that the reason they chose a hero shooter in the first place was the investors wouldn't greenlight anything else
>>732964557no he isnt right and it wasnt an overreaction.people are SICK of shit that looks and plays like this.they want to see it fail because they dont want to see more shit like this being made. the game looking and playing like this was their mistake. this fag dev is the one who is overreacting.>>732965301geoff got them 100k players on launch day. an incredible number. they fucked it.
I would've gave the game a try if it didn't require secure boot.
>>732964557This is all deserved as devs and publishers have been going out of their way to ignore customers.They arent getting half the hate they should actually get.No industry I worked in would get away with underdelivering so hard and then openly whining about it blaming the people who put food on their tables.Massive propaganda arms specifically designed to gaslight people. Industry wide conspiracies to fuck with people.Honestly death is too good for them.
>>732950069This is the mentality of every indie dev ever. What's the problem?
>>732966589Imagine putting concord on your resume and still getting a job.The industry is a circus.
>>732967887its a slop game so theres nothing they could do about that. people wont stick around to play bootleg overwatch when overwatch and marvel rivals are free, regardless if geoff promoted it or not
>>732968337>spend 5 years of ur life on a usd400m project>make something technically competent>prove u have the skillset>prove u didnt get fired before it launcheddoesnt matter if the game was successful you just got unlucky on what product you shipped, all they see is you have 5 years of unreal engine 5 and shipped a product
>>732967886if thats true then the devs are just liars and need to fuck off anyways.all this talk about them making something great that isnt like your typical AAA game.
>people who played the game, including us, had a blaststopped reading right there, the game was shit, the game's design was shit, the game's artstyle was horrifyingly shit, the game is nothing but yet another product of the usual toxic positivity culture being enforced by HR trained californian niggersso, not my problem, and good riddance, faggot
Gameplay loop is too fucking complicated and retarded. Whatever happened to KISS principle?They should have at least dropped a public beta, listened to feedbacks. Fucking Concord at least tried, these fags just got slaughtered.
>>732956768Why would they promote you if you're performing well in your job and making other people's metrics look good by extension? You're being fucked over by your direct management anon
>Many didn't even finish the required tutorial.Because the game would fucking CRASH when you try to start the tutorial!
>>732950069>my mom told me I'm handsome: the post
>>732950995>Hey look! The Emperor is naked!
>>732942205this is normal for bloated AAA slop I dont know why people act surprised.you need a slave driver to whip your jeet slaves into shape to get something passable. even that is incredibly expensive and inefficient but someone has to make shitty 4k textures nobody actually cares about.
>>732968538Can Josh Sobel even imagine a red apple in his mind's eye?
>>732950325You know, I played a little bit, and I think a good game could be in there, with more time. It came out half-baked, and it shows. They need to decide if it's a moba or a BR though, because the BR looting with the Moba gameplay doesn't work terribly well, since you need to hope you find weapons that synergize with your playstyle, instead of just buying the gear like you would in a MOBA.
>>732967514that doesn't answer the question
>>732950069>jacket over Tpoor taste>3 piece over Thorrific
>>732950069>two ragebait threads about a game that's already dead and no one cares about
>>732953267I kinda wanna reinstall ut2k4... maybe next week I'll play it again
>>732969334i just bought the quakes i didnt own since theres an ID sale going onive never played them before but i loved quake 1 and unreal 2k4 so im sure ill like quake 3
>>732969093The people making the bad game fail were the developers, you baka.
>>732958901This is just cope, absolute cope, the 'sloptubers' are just whining in a vacuum and have no impact on whether a game works or not, the idea that sloptubers make or break game is batshit retarded when you get games being played by dozens of the most viewed streamers yet end up being complete flops, and the same way you'll see some of them easily defend games which are otherwise completely being shit on by their fanbase and that's not making the game more succesful, this is just the usual retarded cope but you can't expect more from a guy that played and looked at their game, a game such as highguard, and had high hopes for it, this is just the usual tunnel vision from the average retarded individual and precisely why so many of these fucks shouldn't be creating games, they should go back in their boxes and read numbers or whatever else they would be better suited doing
>>732958901how come culture wars sloptubers arent killing all games that end up being successful?
>>732968538Greenchuds just keep winning.
>>732969423You said>I will never get tired of people making bad games failI asked>how does one make a bad game fail?You failed to answer the question twice now. Maybe you're ESL, or maybe you're just retarded - either way.
>>732969408I like all of them so I'm sure you'll also love quake 3 arena
>>732968538>but no pressure>Says the man whining about consumer feedback.
>>732969498Its reaching actual mental illness levels when they claim that it was a hater conspiracy.A HUNDRED THOUSAND people played it day1 at a time. probably a million throughout the day.Do they believe that most of them only booted it up to leave a negative review or ended up hating it because of asmongold?Actual insanity to claim that.
>>732961231Dorito was supposed to give that spot to bigger announcement, which didn't happen
>>732969670worst thing is that he tries to pass his f2p scam as a free like free beer game.
>>732950443How a man go through life never hearing no?I can understand a hot girl being shocked but men starting eating shit from the world early
>>732950069>Dorito Pope liked the game so much he gave it free top placement>that ironically doomed the gameWild how that happens
>investors pls give money.>investors give money.>steal 80% of the money, use the rest to hire the most incompetent people on earth.>game fails.>it was due to gamers/racism/bigotry/war/covid/orange man/etc fault.>rinse and repeat as you can only fall upward.c'mon guys, the producers already did this stuff like 30 years ago.
>>732950069I think the underlying problem with game devs these days is they can't come to terms with nobody cares what you have gone through. Nobody cares the effort you've put in or the money you've spent. They honestly think they are owed something.It's fucking egotistical madness.
>>732961231either geoff was paid or he is friends with some of the creators. really the only explanations.this game is once away revealing industry insularity and collusion.
>>732967295Cooked I tells ya
>>732950069>People who played the game, including us, had a blastLOL NO WAY HE FUCKING DID NOT JUST
>>732969986no thats not what happened. he got that game 100k players day1. something they wouldnt have accomplished with their planned shadow drop.the game was just fucking shit.
>>732969627At no point did I say 'I will never get tired of people making bad games fail' because >>732963462 wasn't authored by my hand, you BROWN retard.
>>732968538>1746304682617103.png>eat the free apple>it has a chemical taste>"EWW, THIS APPLE TASTES LIKE CHEMICALS. I AM GIVING THIS A 1 STAR.">"well I don't need you as a customer anyway.">closes the shop a week later>"The farming industry has a toxic consumer problem."
>>732950069>All products are at the whims of the consumersAs it should be, make a game that people want to play. We don't need another hero shooter.
>>732952981Nothing wrong at all about being addicted to laughing at obvious flops.
>>732968538the very fact that he sees his garbage product as a "red apple" in this stupid ass food analogy shows that he learned absolutely nothingyou produced a rotten apple smeared in shit which is why no one wanted it for free you dumbfuck
>>732970021>Nobody cares the effort you've put in or the money you've spentthey care, but only when they got something they like. not the case here.
>>732953167Everything about what you typed is good, except for Twitch. But I'm the same way, just with lets plays on Youtube instead of Twitch
he grew a plastic apple.thats the best way to describe it.
>>732970154sounds like schizo behavior
>>732970228actual schizo behavior is believing that 100k concurrent players were all part of an evil hater conspiracy that aimed to kill the game for no reason whatsoever.
>>732970120Other than the lack of bigger modes than 3 on 3, what made it bad?
>>732950069I mean they are kinda right that they were setup by the internet hate machine that just blindly fires at shit, BUT highguard is also the most confused game I have ever played. Never have I seen a game so unsure of what it wants to be.They needed a better director and a better art team lead.
>>732970129Oh, so you *are* retarded. That explains everything perfectly.
>>732970225it was a GMO apple that looked like plastic, a hundred thousand people took a sample and only 3000 returned.why?because it also tasted bad.
>>732950710>decaying internetyes, because of you
>>732970284the ugliest character designs known to man aside from one or two that were inoffensive at bestthe live service game model as a wholethe performance issuesthe server issues
>>732970290Are you Josh Sobel? Are you having a breakdown right now?You made your own game fail because you're incompetent and out of touch.
>>732970284Ive seen multiple people bow out when they saw that you have to mine ores.People are tired of this kind of shit.
>>732968538>but no pressureThe game came out a little over 2 weeks ago.FFS
>>732950069There's no way those are real quotes of praise
>>732969738This is just toxic positivity culture in a nutshell, nobody cares about the product because they're being paid and treated like shit, most of them probably don't play games that much (obviously including the guy from the interview), and out of the ones that do still care they can't easily tell them that it looks and plays like trash because this could create drama and they'd rather lay low because most likely they're just trying to get the game's name on their resume so they can become 'successful indies' later and bring in investor money that wayTale as old as time
>>732951610Based as Fuck, that State of Play felt like a changing of guard
>>732954180What was v2
>>732968538Can't even do a proper food analogy. It's more like baking an apple pie using a bad recipe people have warned you about and being upset when it turns out terrible just like they've told you.
>>732970281I'm not sure what any of that has to do with your schizo behavior. Sounds like you're both schizos.
>>732970829maybe it is you who needs to take his meds.
>>732970417Retarded *and* schizophrenic. It really going without saying.
>>732970546its really telling that he cant take the hint that hes a victim of toxic positivityits like the same shit leftists say when u enter their echochamber, say something they dont agree with and they say "well all of us say ur wrong maybe ur the problem"
>>732950069more like Cryguard
>>732953025Could you start a hentai premise with this where disgruntled male forced to work from home just starts zoom meetings with cam of his dick and go from there
>>732970546why call it toxic positivity. its just toxic. Like if you enter a community and everyone is an asshole that whats toxic means.If its negativity as in the forced contrarian faggots on here that say everything is shit thats toxic. If Its people calling you an asshole because you aren't being artificially positive, its the same thing its both toxic behaviour.
>>732971161Hell, someone make an h-game out of this.
>>732971323toxic has negative connotations so you have to clarify you're talking about people being positive in a toxic way or they'll say "what do u mean toxic everyone loves me"
>>732970882You're only describing yourself, you stupid cunt.
>>732971323>why call it toxic positivity. its just toxic.To distinguish it from people just being abrasive faggotsOverly forced positivity is just as toxic as that, but it's not the same, so it needs to be distinguished
>>732971374i was one of the first people to coin toxic as term, i used it in reference to mmo servers like wow servers where every single person was an asshole and a griefer. Making it literally impossible to actually play the game.Thats what wokey communities are like nowadays, you loterally cannot interact with them because every single member is an asshole trying to attack you or "cancel" you for anything.The term toxic got taken by these sort of people and twisted into "anyone that says anything less than positive about a gay or other minority" thats not what it fucking means. full stop.People literally just ceded the internet and society to sociopaths.
>>732971323Do you even understand what toxic means?>But what about that other thing you're not talking about?Shut the fuck up retard, it's called toxic positivity (and I'm not the one that coined that word, faggot) because it's toxic for them to be so positive, you're not gaining anything out of being positive for the sake of being positive, feedback has to be negative sometimes because that's how human emotions work you dimwit, you don't thrive off of good feelings, you need both to be completeIf a girl comes to you asking if her makeup looks good while looking like a clown, and you're just going 'yass queen slay', what do you think happens next? Everything's just going to work out great for her? Why do you think she was asking for your input here?And don't be pedantic either for the sake of being pedantic, get fucked
>>732971414its abrasive when you step into a community and you are being attacked by these people and being called all the isms for no reason. Its the same thing. Its literalky referred to as female toxicity.
>>732971620anon just because u coined the term (gz by the way) doesnt mean u own it
>>732971689i coined the term you deaf stupid asshole.It was a little used mmo term LIKE I JUST SAID that blew up from my use of it Dont reply if you are going to say stupid ignorant shit
>>732968538>food analogy
>>732971620toxic as a term was pushed by riot it was an artificial corporate push and you had nothing to do with it.
>>732950069>have 100k players try out your game>they all hate it>blame them for not liking itmakeabettergame
>>732971739taking a term and twisting it to>when someone is a homophobe or racistisn't the definition. its a deliberate hijacking of a term for a biased agenda and thats what happened.
>>732950069Highguard devs were the real racist incels all along Maybe they should touch grass Leftism is a mental illness They thought this shit would be lightning in a bottle
>>732971323toxic positivity is when you're always positive, to the point where it's negative. I guess, apparently? it takes an IQ above 80 to understand why this is different from "being an asshole"? very sad to learn this about you. well, not about you, but that I share a board with you.
>>732950069>>732950178Josh Sobel is a Jewish name Every single time The kvetching Jew should cry more Not buying woke Jew slop
>>732957089This comment is really a return to form
>>732950995The top brass suits/investors are the most stubborn and retarded people imaginable, you need mass public backlash to make them back down, e.g. original Sonic movie design.
>>732971869no, the term predates the popular msm use of it and it refers to shitty mmo servers. where everyone is an asshole and its infectious because of that making it akin to a "toxic" tip eg a place you dont want to go anywhere for your heakth.Thats the origin and meaning, it was taken by faggot journalists and used for LoL and everything to mean>any negative behaviour at allwhether its negative or not
>>732972106no
>>732971950what are you even talking about man?toxic positivity isn't about people being abrasive, it's about the opposite essentially; avoiding all abrasiveness to the point where no problems are ever able to be solved or even openly addressed. it's a TOXIC form of POSITIVITY.
toxic is a fag term anyways the classic drone, fanboy and shill are much more effective, because thats all it is.
>>732972106anywhere near for your health*
Maybe instead of whining and blame shifting they should go back to work and make the game better. If the game was genuinely good then it would have retained a larger number of the 100k concurrent players.
>>732970239Highguard devs watched CliffyB tank his whole company with an also-ran hero shooter a decade ago and still went for it.
>>732972161i've always associated it with league of legends
>>732972124yes. I am a prolific memer, i have invented so many even in the last week.I invented the slop meme.That for example got perverted into "goyslop"When the original meme was pigslop as in pig feed.Because i called every shit movie on /tv/ pigslop>>732972161its not a fag term at all. It WAS a very appropriate term in mmo servers
