Stop Killing Games currently streaming on TwitchAnd Stop Killing Games had public hearing in the European Parliamenthttps://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/webstreaming/committee-on-internal-market-and-consumer-protection-ordinary-meeting-committee-on-legal-affairs-com_20260416-1100-COMMITTEE-IMCO-JURI-PETI
The perfect trojan horse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSla5vfGi3Athread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wssFOFrXqNs
Why post that here? Just alerting the trolls?
https://www.twitch.tv/stopkillinggames_official
>>737054927>LATINVGH...
>>737054848is that nigga still going with this grift? how much more money does he want to steal?
>>737054887They had already been warned against allowing their initiative to be redirected into a different law. The trojan horse is not happening.
>>737054848qrd? Did we wonnered?
>>737054848Ross looks more presentable than I expected.
I guess we can pretty much count out freemans mind for good now
>refunds on all storefronts>usb-c on everything>reject all tracking cookies>everyone must be gdpr compliant
Rate Ross's look out of ten
>>737055057Looks like he stepped out of a 1984 Apple meeting
>>737054995>MPs seem in favour of legislation>one qt autist kept saying shit "the cake is a lie xD" and "took an arrow to the knee xD" in her parliament speech>one autist mentioned Mount & Blade: Warband>two boomers said "I don't play vidya, but my kids do so it's important"
>>737055057Too clean, needs more mold
>>737055107He does has that vibe
>>737054927>UK in the thumbnail
>Dismiss it all this time>It actually gets unanimous supportWell I'll be damned. Do the members of parliament even know what a video game is?
>>737055234>Well I'll be damned. Do the members of parliament even know what a video game is?Yes.Thankfully the EU isn't the US and the parliament isn't made of senile geriatrics, but people who either do play them, or have kids who play them and can understand why losing access to something you paid for is a bad idea.
>>737055163>>one qt autist kept saying shit "the cake is a lie xD" and "took an arrow to the knee xD" in her parliament speechThis is why we should bring back stoning.
>>737055234Yes, they're on board.
>>737055179https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0e53x475qjo
Now we shall hear from our guest speaker invited from the USA, Chief Manygames
>>737055057He looks like he's about to change history.
>>737055234Europe is really pro-consumer, which should be the default state. I'll shit on the US side of it all but its our US guy spearheading the european initiative as its face, not some european.
>>737055234The EU parliament has like 800 people in it from a variety of parties from a variety of countries instead of 2 parties filled with mostly old people. As a result, the average age of people being becoming elected/brought to represent the party is probably younger too.
POST YFW VIDEO GAMES ARE BEING SAVED
>petition goes through>no more EU fags in video gamesGood
>>737055368Games should not be killed wantonly, like the buffalo by the white man.
>>737055450It's good that it's happening but this only matters for AAA garbage so it's not like I care about the actual games being saved.
>>737055416Pro-consumer? Sounds anti-USA to me.
>>737055393Kill yourself
>union guy starts going on about the importance of wokenessYaaawwwnnnnn
>>737055494Being pro-consumer is inherently being anti-israel yes.
>>737055234Even if they didnt know what videogames are, the idea of a corporation holding a remote kill switch that can disable a product you paid for and own is deeply unsettling.This petition brought that concern to light.
>>737054848I can't believe Dr. Freeman travelled here all the way from Massachusetts
>>737055416Pro-consumer is really a buzzword for thieves to justify their stealing.
>>737055450
>>737055494we have an Appalachian country boy leading this for the eurpeans rn. None of them wanted to actually stand up for themselves so some country boy had to.
>>737055498Nuh-uh.
where are the sony, microsoft, nintendo, literally any other industry gaming representative?
Particular reason a gaggle of tankies are in the threads trying to convince people that real communism has never been tried?
>>737055416>>737055494The only reason why the EU is “pro-consumer” about this kind of stuff is because they’re eternally butthurt about foreign companies outselling them. When they make someone like Apple open up consumer repair rights, it’s because they’re seething that no European phone brand can compete and they have to stick it to the Americans. They would be much less pro-consumer if they actually still made shit for the global market.
>>737055057>he married >I cantIt orge
>come back to the initiative topic with a giggleHELL YEAH ROSS SHOW THIS WOKE TRANNY HIS PLACE
>>737055572Invested in some manner, same as that son of the wow guy being really against it while he's publishing an always online skinner box game. Also, Ross is universally loved here so they do it just to spite you.
>>737055570>Quick, cancel that game with 6 months of planned obsolesce!>... Which one?
>>737055450hell yea
>>737055621That's because you don't have an optimized shaped face.
>>737055505EU parliment is bassicaly a Dumping ground for Weirdo Politicians and "I want the politicians sallary but In Euro(aka 4x as many)" Most EU members are mostly In it for the money. Also Fuck ursula von der leyen she is the wors woman in europ afther Merkel
>>737055590The representatives serve the people who empower them with the right to represent them. I'm surprised it's this rare outside of the EU.
>>737055570Unironically in previous EU meetings about this there were bugs in EU ears screeching about how they *need* to swat down SKG with prejudice because uhhhhh video games turning off randomly is good actuallySome of them are present in the form of shills against the idea of legislation, I recall Ubisoft being the biggest voice for that and Ubisoft is also in the process of being found guilty for other illegal gaming practices, on top of illegally hollowing itself out into a shell company so Tencent can buy its IPs and save its management from their own actions
>>737055570They don't need to show up. They can just give Mommy Ursula and her gang some pocket money and have her deal with it.
>>737055730Ubisoft is now getting fucked in the ass by a national lawsuit, so we won't be seeing them showing their face there now.
>I just love video games and I see nothing wrong with having the servers source code, as a matter of facts I put my consumer rights above the wellbeing of corporations who earn more than enough to implement extra checks to prevent their games from being killed, it's perfectly reasonable and it would restore the trust of consumers in the industry>TRANNY TRANNY COMMIE TRANNY COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE LEFTIST TRANNY COMMIE COMMIEwhat cuases this?
>>737055572>gets shitter shattered and tries to win after giving up in a previous threadLove to see it
>>737055719>>737055621>xe wants to get marriede-celebs are failed normlafags
>>737055636>tankies hate everything good in lifeMakes sense
Remember that fan-made SMB online game that Nintendo forced to take down so they could replace it with their own, which they then took down a few months later and now nobody can play it ever again?
>>737055057He looks like that French TV guy butthurt about someone talking bad about the jews
Mad man won't even brush his hair for the EU.Respect.
>>737055785>having the servers source codeYou don't even need that. Source code should be the last resort. A bunch of compiled exe's to run servers with should be enough, people can figure out dependencies. And what causes it is being hired by Babel Media.
I don't really care all that much because most of the stuff being preserved is the usual AAA shit that gets shut down after a month and it can't retroactively save games that are already gone.But this fucks over ubisoft and I fucking hate ubisoft
>>737055572>that real communism has never been triedIt's true tho, but that's because it literally can't be tried, it shits the bed as you start scaling it up.
>>737054848Gamers, rise up and save vidya.
>>737055848He changed his shirt. That's already a tremendous effort.
>>737055796Yes I do remember, it was probably a combination of having Super Mario 99 lined up and the developer was asking for "donations" and then doing 4chan frogposter styled taunting with "Super Infringio Bros." and no altered SMB level data after, similar deal to AlvinEarthworm trying to make Super Mario Bros. Z a tagline for his Patreon and getting slapped for it
>>737055590How does a saying goes? >While Others Innovate, Europe RegulatesWhich is why it's ofthen un profitable to either start of maintain a buissnes here unless you Were already the Big Boy on the block and Have enough politicians in your graces to give you overpriced goverment contracts.
Who's the guy speaking next to Ross?
>>737054848Putting aside principles of consumer rights, this hurts american companies the most so that is enough reason to support this. Death to amerikanker scum.
>>737055785>pathological contrarianism>paid shill>demoralized chud>propagandized chud>botspick one
>>737055902woke tranny, his woke tranny speech monologue been axed by ross the king
piggy rating system
>>737055167He shed his mold, but where do you think it went?You think he wouldn't use this opportunity to spread? The spores are unleashed and making their way through the EU buildings, and soon Brussels at large.
>>737055861Gacha "games" would also be preserved. Though I can't think of any that would be worth preserving.>b-butNo.
>>737055907>Death to amerikanker scum and we replace that with what? Chinks, Russians, or Saudi Donations?
>>737055785Anon there are people here trying to compare Ross to Lenin. Which is hilarious since Ross isn't a retard and hasn't started any famines.
>>737055997I thought we had agreed that it was Stalin that had weather powers.
>>737055979what about vn
>>737054848lol I love when neckbeards try to dress up
>>737055997He's about to start a famine for the poor game making CEOs
>>737055979Good thing we ain't in WoW clones era no more. Man...that would be a nightmare for bassicaly everyone involved.
LET IT DIE to end service on September 1; Offline Edition launches this fall https://www.gematsu.com/2026/03/let-it-die-to-end-service-on-september-1-offline-edition-launches-this-fall
what the fuck is this dinosaur game, this isn't the isle
>>737055898Its also why no EU tech companies can compete with Microshit and Jewgle. Every year for the past 10 years, some EU politician tries to convert to Linux or promote some EU tech company only reject the measure or fail miserably in the process.
>>737056071In the end they didn't let it die.
>>737055898>Asia innovates>Europe regulates>America obeys
ROSS'S BACK
>>737055498Nuh yeh
>>737055979>Gacha "games" would also be preserved.No they wouldn't. Unlike regular games, the EU market represents a negligible share of the revenue, so gacha publishers can just region lock their shit away from Europe with no financial impact.
Even Let it Die can do it. What's stopping others?
>>737055621he got e-fameespecially now with this shit
Makes Online Games Offline Again
>>737056071>called LET IT DIE>isn't going to diewtf????
>>737055997>started any famines.
>>737056054How will indie devs be able to comply with maintaining their nickle and dime games forever?
>>737056119>Israel destroys all
What is this going to accomplish other than the EU being excluded from video games then? How is this going to be sustainable when you demand servers to be kept operating forever now?
>>737055057looks like Lynch from K&L with that hairlineJust needs sunglasses and a wifebeater.
>>737056143Uncle Death based
>>737056040>>737056149>ass-blasted tankies drop the mask>>737056054GOOD.
>>737054927bvased and Evropean
>>737056158>Africa...Teaches it's kids how to build an AK rifle from sticks and Old buckets
>>737056140PSO Offline, also known as Monster Hunter,
>>737056098When Bavaria wanted to switch its public IT infrastructure to run on open source, Microsoft had to bribe them with a new campus and corporate entity for them to tax in Munich
>>737056161Excluding a whole major region just because you want to shove DRM is a sure way to make your stock drop hard
>>737056149He's talking about the famine that happened under Lenin's "War Communism" idea
>>737054848Why didnt he get a haircut and shave his beard when he knew he was going to an important meeting like this?
>>737056161>video game companies: noooooo wtf my game is not profitable i can't afford to keep maintaining the server code and infrastructure, you can't force us to do this!>EU: we are not forcing you, you can just open it and let the players maintain the software and infrastructure?>video game companies: nooooooo wtf how am i supposed to profit off of this????
>>737056161>How is this going to be sustainable when you demand servers to be kept operating forever now?not what SKG is asking for
>>737056054Can't believe Ross would just execute people who reported all the innocent AAA company CEO running out of money, and send the secret police to arrest gamers.
>>737056213I don't think they're tankies, just /chug/gers defending Moscow.
>>737056274He used his magical weather powers to disturb the harvests, of course.
>>737056287never compromise on your ideals anonjust look at Gordon Freeman, the moment he cut off his ponytail resonance cascade happened
>>737056161Despite what the private media has been telling you, the EU is the largest market on Earth (larger than China or usa)Maybe it's not for vidya, but it probably still makes the top 3
what the hell are lobbies, anyway? abunch of (((people))) jerking each other off, making sure they get what they want from the guberment?
>>737054927PINGAS
>>737056327it's one guy who lost an argument about gommunism in prev thread and is still lashing out at tankies to feel like he didn't lose>debate economic theory>some retard rolls in with fifty /pol/isms and moaning gommunism lost>everybody agrees gommunism lost but what does that have to do with what we're talking about>hurr tankies! agree with me harder or ur a gommyevery time
>>737056425Legalized bribing.
Who wins by SKG passing:>true gamersWho loses by SKG passing:>corporates because they have to be careful making money-printing, glorified gambling, socially degenerative live-service slop>normalfags because all they play are ball games or a gun games full of mtx and that are online-multiplayer focused>pedophiles because one of their best ways to approach children will be limitedWhy don't you support SKG, anon?
>>737055057he looks like he uses linux
>>737056161>EU being excluded from video gamesisnt every console region free now? its not ps2/xbox/gc era anymore.
>>737054887Shut up Jason
>LE COMPANIES CANT KEEP RUNNING THE SERVER FOREVERHoly fucking shit, this is the EXACT same argument that has been posted in SKG threads since day one. Don't care if you're trolling or a shill, you are scum.
>>737055723>The representatives serve the people who empower themExplain then why are they enabling wage suppression for the native populations through mass immigration?
>Ross saying "Gamer Rights" verbatumFINALLY, IT'S TIME TO RISE UP
>>737056476They get paid per post and even more so if you reply to them.
>>737056490because white people stopped having sex and reproducing
>>737056414>larger than ChinaLoL>Eu Population over 744 million >china populationaraund 1.405 billionAnd even if not Just China. Asia is becoming a quite big market. Especially India.
>>737056161>mutt unironically thinks companies will drop the second biggest consumer market in the worldkek
>>737056476It's called a strawman, when you can't attack the facts directly you make shit up that you can then target.
>>737056134Maybe some literally who gacha games, but the big players and the ones who put their games on Steam? They will comply.
>>737056490They've been enabling that for 50+ years without mass immigration, American federal minimum wage is still $7.25/hr., was already inadequate in the 80s and 90s, and whether states have individually higher minimum wages isn't relevant
>>737055007Still has hobo hair. Would it kill him to use conditioner?
How far-reaching will this be? In 20 years when the Switch 2 encrusted with filth, will Nintendo be required to keep the servers for Mario Kart World running?
>>737056617No, you can play MKW offline so they're SKG compliant
>>737056617Sadly it won't be retroactive. It will be a thing only for new games.
>>737056617Can you play Mario Kart locally in coop? If so, they don't have to do shit.If a server is necessary, they can just release server tools so that sweaty neckbeards can run those on their PCs.
>>737056617Yes because it will still be the most recent Mario Kart
>>737055995Neither of these are any more evil. I'd rather not replace them with anything. I'd rather Europe got out of fetishising the idea of being a gaggle of vassals and finally started looking out for its own interests.
>>737056617mario kart has a offline mode.this covers future games that are online only
>>737056425>abunch of (((people))) jerking each other off, making sure they get what they want from the guberment?More or less. Well. More giving money for Political cmapains and social programs to silence the plebians until the next election. But I guess some jerking off is invlolved. Standard Policis since...Ancient Greece.
>>737056387I dont think hair and beard is really an ideal desu.
>>737056617You'll still have singleplayer and couch co-op, it won't be affected. SKG is to prevent normalfag GaaS
I just realized Ross looks kinda like CohhCarnage with long hair
>>737056617not retroactiveNintendo won't have to run shit either by>user self hosting >singleplayer modealso they will need to provide shutdown date set in stone in advance
>>737056658>>737056675>>737056685>Online-only game gets a token single player minigame>See we're SKG compliant
>>737056712>But I guess some jerking off is invlolved. Standard Policis since...Ancient Greece.Fuck off retard, the Greeks were NOT gay. I bet you think Moby-Dick is about homosex too.
>>737056761>EU parliament member arrives to break your kneecaps
leftypol discord raidnobody cares about this shit
>>737056676lol
>responding to shill concern trollingThat's the worst thing you can do. They get paid for engagement. By not responding to them, you are starving them.
>>737056161Yes, anon. EU is totally going to be excluded. There is absolutely no way international capitalists will seek to adapt to continue mass welath extraction. Just like higher minimal wages stopped McDonald's from operating in Denmark.You are a fucking moron. Genuinely underage.
>>737056425Something that should be very fucking illegal. The grift to end all grifts.
>>737056761you make no sense. that minigame has to be part of the game or its a separate pkg/exe/gameid in that case a different game.
>>737056678>I'd rather Europe got out of fetishising the idea of being a gaggle of vassals and finally started looking out for its own interestsYea good luck with that. The only reason that the EU euforia is happening is because both USA and Russia got themselfs into Quagmires. And no Federelised EU would not work. Not because it would be USSR but gay. But because it would be Austro Hungary, but also gay.
The mold man grows more powerful
>>737056558Like 800 million of those Chinamen have no sewage systems, so yes the EU is a bigger market than China.Do you think Nigeria is a bigger market than England too? By the way, I assume you are a burger
>>737056443what is this? >>737056356
>>737056805I keep getting flashbanged by "leftypol" knowing full well that /leftypol/ hasn't existed in quite a while and the only reason 4chan /pol/tards know about it is because they came back from cripplechan and brought all their hang-ups back with them/leftypol/ on cripplechan didn't do much but troll /pol/ but its legacy lives on, /pol/ could not mentally handle having a dedicated trolling board for themselves
>>737056676
>haha politicians are just going to throw out your bing bing wahoo shit, lol, lmao>literally all are in favor and suggest shit like an official Project Gutenberg for vidya or Steam license reselling on their ownGet fucked, based EU
>>737056761Why post a retarded example when mario kart is a standalone game first with optional online multiplayer?This retarded commie proposal is to tackle live service games that require online connection to a server to work.
>>737055570They must've been blindsided? This is going to absolutely put in shambles their plans for the next decade.
NOTCH
Its so weird hearing Ross as a well spoken gentlemen and pausing to go "AAAAARRRRGGHHHH"
>>737056923funny
>>737056948And they will win and you will seethe.
>>737056558Kek sorry I didn't read you glorifying mighty bharat in the end there. India is growing as a market and still nowhere near close to the EU. E-e-e-especially not on consumer goods lmao nice try brapdeep
>>737055234The petition garnered over 1million signatures one of the highest petitions on record for the EU and politically speaking it's incredibly low in controversy so it's seen as a win, win for a lot of politicians over there. Plus they also see it as a way to make money from corporations through non-compliance fines.
>>737056938This isn't convincing anyone.
>they thought they could pick a fight with mold
>>737056612>American federal minimum wageWe're talking about Europe. Reading comprehension. Learn it.
>>737057008Okay anon let's hear your alternative theory on what leftypol means and why it only started appearing on /pol/ and crossposted 4chan boards in the general time window of cripplechan banning /pol/ boards under Jim Watkins' ownership
Stream done
Stream's over
>>737054848who is the british guy doing the interviews?
>>737056443>>737056938>>737056995Condemn the holodomor
>>737054848>look like a homeless methhead version of Neocortex >put on a button-up shirtWhy even fucking bother?
Just hurry up and tell me who supports/opposes this, national elections are in a few months so I need to know who to slander
stop killing games
>>737057124>supportsBasically everybody>opposesUbisoft
>>737057104Holodormor never happened.Cuckraine lost.Z
>>737057118Considering most EU politicians look like children and/or decrepit crypt keeper grandpas, he fits right in
>>737056996Why would I?
Nooooo! STOP THE COUNT!!
If I make an MMO server that runs on an ASIC and I provide you the schematics, killing games says that should be illegal because I didn't make an emulator for the current year of windows desktop? I'll just ignore it and the EU and it will never pass in the US
>man went to the moon again >video games are being savedWHAT TIMELINE IS THIS
>>737057191if you're making a MMO server then you have the source code and all you have to do is just post it like MANGOS.https://github.com/mangos/MaNGOS
>>737055234There's barely anyone there. The only people who would even appear are the only ones who would care.
>>737057239>Thinking live service slop are "games"
>>737057239>man went to the moonEchoing Victor Glover, praise God!
>>737054848I bet this is the best Ross looked like in his whole life
>>737057124>supportsLiterally everybody. Every single Europarliament party is in favor.
Eurobros... WE WON!
>>737057191But what if the Earth fell out of orbit and began hurtling towards the sun and you had to choose one of the two bunkers: the one with SKG initiative advocates and the other with corporate lovers? Which would you pick and why?
>>737057259The schematic is the source. Killing games explicitly said in every thread since the beginning when I prompted this (and other similar questions) They said point blank, I have to make an emulator and then just laughed (no argument ever presented)
>>737057239At least Hungary will keep being a corrupt shitho- Wait.
>>737054959>allowingIf you know anything about government, that's really not his choice to make. Piggybacking happens all the time, either to sneak in controversial shit, to shut down a proposition, or to make political opponents have a melty that can be easily targeted.
California is considering a law that would make it illegal to take away a game you sold to someone even after support has ended basically this ion a law so its having some effects
>>737057290my nigga
>>737057330>Earth falls out of orbitYou done goofed.
>>737057239Normalfags are turning against Israel and social media too.
>>737057397Happens all the time bro.
>>737057361No they didn't, because I was there and I said either is fine. Your argument is just another retarded flavor of "KEEP DA SERVAS UP FOREVA!?" but with server upkeep being replaced with software upkeep.
>>737057361all you have to do is post the source code and that source code can build into a functional thing. it may be unfinished or broken but thats the point of open source for others to fix it for you.
>>737057408The problem with always pushing a victim mentality is that they'll never notice when people actually are about to turn on them.
>>737057330I'd aim for the biggest jew (you). Meanwhile if I cluster servers using non TCP/IP communication killing games says giving you the schematics and source to my proprietary setup isn't compliant, and I must build an emulator.
This will have an adverse impact on Japan's workflow and industry. They're basically excluded from all this conversation when they are gonna be impacted it the most. It's gonna be chaos.
>Gaming was saved because Piratesoftware is really unlikableAlways funny
>buy game>game stops working because seller decided so>money stolen>not liking this means you are le communisthuh?
Anyone fighting tooth and nail for LIVE SERVICE SLOP is an enemy to gamers.
>>737057463software maintenance* rather
>>737057167Well that didn't last very long.
>>737055234Average age of a MEP is 53 years old. That's born in 1973. That's about the age of an Atari 2600 owning kid (I don't know which way of gaming was popular in Europe at the time it's just an example)
I think I'll celebrate by playing some video games that are being kept alive by fans
>>737057323>Ida is here toTo what? TO WHAT?!
>>737057504Majority posting on this board are shills of some kind.
Nothing ever happens
>>737057507Based. Online multiplayer was a mistake.
>>737057504It's a falseflag insult because Euros have an insecurity complex against the US.
>>737057528As far as I know, PCs were always fairly popular in Europe (maybe outside the UK?). Especially in Northern Europe.
>>73705753name one just one faggot!!!
>>737057504Never underestimate the power of retarded people. I cannot think anything more anti-communist than the concept of ownership and owning the games you've bought.
>>737057496Who's Piratesoftware?>>737057528The oldest gamer I know is about that age, yeah. Never shuts up about ZX-spectrum games.
>>737054848man Ross is one of the last real niggas still around
>The cake is a lie
>>737057569You're talking to a shill, numbnuts
>>737057239>after soo many years only moon achievable fake and gay
>>737057469In most cases it's even easier then that and you can safely comment out authentication checks or patch the game into the debug build at the office.When people are working on these games, they're frequently testing them in safe pseudo-online environments. Most internal builds aren't bogged down with "CHECKING FOR SERVER CONNECTIVITY" bullshit. Its what makes Thor's arguments so fucking retarded. Even if an MMO is taken offline, all anyone is asking for is a playable, not necessary beatable, not necessarily completable, game.
>>737057629SKG is not a paid initiative though.
>>737057507If the doomsayers are to be believed this will make live service significantly less attractive for developers if anything.
>>737057469No, that is not the killing games rules say>>737057463>I said either is fineUnder no authority and in direct contradiction to the language and website FAQ
>>737054848>if anyone wants to read the previous thread:>>737046794
So what does this mean for the UK and Norway?
Would Gaben support or go against SKG?
>>737057654Huh? It isn't? Then what about the paychecks I've been getting?
>>737055572>Leave those billion dollar companies alone!
>>737057581Online multiplayer is very different from a live service anon, you cannot be this dumb
>>737057585PCs were very popular in Eastern Europe. Poland is known for their love for HoMM 3, Gothic, Baldur's Gate etc.Although the new generation is playing console/phoneshit
>>737057684>Under no authority and in direct contradiction to the language and website FAQThe site language outright says either is fine. Either leave a server hosting software, repair instructions or source code.
Nice to see the Japanese being as retarded as usual.https://x.com/vejitabeta2nd/status/2044766178745467224
>>737057639shut up bitch a solar eclipse from spacepeople were there and saw thisand took this picturewith a fucking CAMERA
>>737057712Those are probably your onlyfans.
>>737057682This>every GAAS game has to be clearly marked with a 2 year lifespan banner listing the planned shutdown date>its December 2026 and a game is marked for shutdown December of 2027>"well, fuck that"
>>737057682AAAslop is always slowly making its way into franchises I actually care about. If I can dilute the poison before it spreads through the system, all the better.
>>737057709Gee, I dunno anon
>>737057279They stop being live service when they go offline.
>>737057739>one person represents an entire country
>>737057709They're mostly a publisher when this is more about development practices and standards being changed. I think the best thing they can do is reimburse you like 5% of the price you bought it when the game gets shut down.
>>737057483Mobage shits bar few were made with end of life plans in mind.
>>737057739Another language, same retarded arguments.
>>737057790So they are just slop? K
>>737057794All Japanese people either make games or know someone who makes games.
>>737057682Worst case scenario, developers just find a legal loophole. Or swap to subscriptions without initial game purchase.
>>737057739based japs know that communism is a cancer that has to be expunged
>>737057739These are the same Japs who pearlclutched palworld being a 1:1 copy of Pokemon Legends Arceus, capping their "opinions" off with "granted, I never actually played the game, but if Nintendo says it I believe it" If you replaced all the pals with dinosaurs, there wouldn't have been an initial suit to begin with
>>737057794Japanese are the biggest corporate bootlickers in existence because their defamation law enslaves the populace. Anyone saying anything negative about a corporation or a public figure can be sued, even if the negative thing being said is true. Which is why they do nothing but praise them.
>>737057794Japan-US is the gaming hub of the entire world, no shit Japan will have strong emotions on this.
>>737057721I know and I'm okay with it as long as it's just an option for people who don't have any friends to play Mario Kart or FIFA with. But online-multiplayer quickly becoming the main game mode of many games is what makes me seethe about it.
>>737057739>it's beautiful because it has an end, on to the next gameEven nip cum slurping must have a limit somewhere, right?
>>737057654People trying to tie it to communism are shills as well
>indie dev releases server files for his game>over a hundred people can play on one server forever >AAA dev releases online only 4 player coop shooter with mtx and season passes>says offline mode is impossible since it streams textures to your computer using the power of the cloudIndie devs must be using black magic. Real sick shit
>>737057709Probably against in private, going by the retardation surrounding paid mods and believing they could buy their way into a creator-driven programming space, but he knows full well it's social suicide to not be for it
>>737057794correct just like the germans represent all of the eu
>>737057504Communism is the abolition of private ownership of capital. If the private seller/owner of the intellectual property (a type of capital) loses their right to cancel licenses, their ownership of the property is undermined. Preventing private owners of capital from properly owning their capital is indeed communism.
>>737056676top kek
>>737057746my point is only moon reached AGAIN after like gorjilion years and we cant even fly to mars???
>>737057737The schematic is the source code. They go further and said that is not enough. The FAQ says the "source code" must run on standard servers. Well thats not compliant now is it jew.
>>737055997Ross is famined himself, and probably lives off of his own mushrooms.
>>737057718What is this, anon >>737057167
>>737057684you already have the source otherwise how are you working on a server
>>737057903Administrative, manpower and labor costs exponentially increases.
>>737057739murican and japs actually ruined vidya for years now
>>737058001They're the reason why videogames even exist.
>>737057903Yeah? Name 28 indie games that do this.
>>737057903There's even developers who have been making multiplayer focused games since like 90s, way before any live-service bullshit or even mainstream household internet popularity, who now all of a sudden claim it's literally impossible to make games run locally. Whenever I see some AAA developer bitch about SKG and how there will be no more AAA live-service games, to me it sounds more like a promise of a better future than a threat.
>>737057941>The FAQ says the "source code" must run on standard servers.Does it? I remember Ross saying in a video that "if it's running on some exotic server architecture, just release the source code and let autists figure it out"
>>737057972An ASIC is a custom piece of silicon and hardware. There isn't even "code" you technweenie attempting to create laws.
>>737057941standard servers as in x86 or arm which is any device in current year
>>737057889One would think considering Dragon Quest X has 14 years of service AND an offline port of the first 4 expansions, that they'd see this as a net positive....alas their worldviews are entirely incoherent
>>737057936hey retard i don't know if you noticed but everything has gotten shittier over time and sending niggas to the moon is really complicatedand there hasn't been an incentive in 50 years after we stopped wanting to nuke everybody so why build rockets it takes time to do this shit and have them niggas not fucking diedo you know how fucked space isthey returned to earth at MACH 33 SURROUNDED IN PLASMAthey had to fucking skip off the atmosphere like a rock to redirect the heat shield so it wouldn't fuck up like the last testit's fucking insane
>>737058046ASIC code can be ported to x86 or arm its not hard and you dont even have to do it just post the source.
>>737055057
>>737058023not the nu corporate side though. when they were young they were more free
>>737058027
>>737054848Based Ross moving mountains because no one else dared to.>>737055163>one qt autist kept saying shit "the cake is a lie xD" and "took an arrow to the knee xD" in her parliament speechWife.
>>737058023and they should be taken away from them and put in the hands of more capable nations
>>737057903This could be true for flight sim 2024
>>737057709>created his company to support pc gaming>stayed loyal when competition and the industry favoured consoles over PC>openly said people pirate because they seek good service and fair treatment>made online games allowing player-hosted servers and custom content>supported his games for decades to keep them running for everyone>linux chadSeems obvious
>>737058104AIIIIII SAVE ME THOR-SAMA
>>737058057It's the most widespread kind of married couple here. An autist and his absurd hypotheticals.
>>737056140This game already has a robust offline mode, what the fuck are you talking about.
>>737057504Why do you think they're called amerigolems?
>>737055498he said somewhere that if he goes bald he will be rocking that lenin look, mostly because it looked cool (or better than alternatives i don't remember)
>>737057941A standard server could be anything from Windows Server 2008 to a Linux Server distro from 2016. You can run server software on regular Windows and regular Linux too. Basically it's just saying that it should avoid being made for architecture that nobody uses which already happens with basically any modern console or PC.That's if it actually says "standard servers" which I'm not even sure it does, surely you can provide that text?
>>737058038Looks like they killed their own FAQ, its just coming soon now. Check wayback you will see it.>>737058057Precisely why you would have to make an emulator, considering an ASIC is neither>>737058083So who pays for it? Killing games says you must do it (before shutting down) or else your game is not compliant. Why would I spend the money on something I'm shutting down?
>>737058164asics can be converted to x86 or arm or any compatible cpu code
>>737058196stupid nigger learn what iommu is
>>737058104This is impossible.
>>737058198A game for an ASIC machine that would hold a broad enough appeal to attract the attention of trade and distribution regulations is the absurd hypothetical part of this.
>>737057564to fuck you
>>737058141>ALL THIS DATA!!you can crunch that down to a low resolution version of all that OTHER PEOPLES DATA you're using, the same way my map app lets me download a complete map of the state for like a gigabyte
>>737057739>nooo my Mujo and Mono no aware
>>737058141>he doesn't have 10 petabytes of storage
>>737058141It's a feature in ms flight sim. In sim city 2013 and that new zombie horde game, it's a flat out lie.
>>737058196>Why would I spend the money on something I'm shutting down?Yeah, why would you make an always online game that will shut down in the end anyway? That's why you make the game with the offline functionality or server hosting baked in from the beginning.
>>737056161>How is this going to be sustainable when you demand servers to be kept operating forever now?Not my problem
Timmy will not be happy about this. SKG might kill Fortnite!
>>737058196You're making this hard on yourself. You have the source code aka schematics. So post it. Whatever "custom" shit you have can be converted to a compatible CPU this is how porting works in the industry.
As if MMOs need another deathblow.
>>737058046If you sell things to people, and the things suddenly break because you made a bad decision when developing those things, and you're unable to fix the issue, then that's 100% on you. It's like gypsies selling stolen goods and then screaming racism when they get caught for their scam.
>>737058141A petabyte is just 1000TB. While that's a lot to cram in one computer, you could feasibly get a RAID/storage rack that can handle that. It'll just cost a fair bit. It's not like I can sue Rockstar for making GTAVII incapable of running on my old GTX970 or fit in my old HDD.
>>737058084Sex?
>>737055163>one autist mentioned Mount & Blade: WarbandWhat did he say when he mentioned warband?
>>737058326How about you stop being lazy niggers and adjust your attempt at changing laws to make sense. I gave you the schematic, now fuck your raabi in the face.>>737058362Just giving them the schematics and everything you ever did is not compliant retard, they demand you do more work (make it run on standard servers) which is explicit in the FAQ that they removed
The only argument I'm seeing for GAAS is that devs and publishers intentionally made things the most retarded and impractical way possible for the sole purpose of screwing over the consumer, which makes me hate them more...>OH BLOOBLOO WE CANT DO THAT BECAUSE WE CODED THE SERVERS IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HYROGLIPHIC BASIC AND WE DESTROYED THE ROSETTA STONE ON PURPOSE TO PROTECT OUR IP, CANT YOU SEE THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE
>>737057739>japanese wistful idiocy>literal american cattle in his comments agreeingI cannot wait for these people to lose even more.
>>737056161no?the only requirement would be to give out the server source code so others who want the game to live can host ithow fucking stupid are you?
>>737058452He didn't mention Warband, he said "He was there when the community saved Mount and Blade Napoleonic Wars".
>>737058395shitty genre that had a negative impact on gaming
>>737055057ziltoid/10
>>737058475Just say you're mad that this made it all the way into the heart of the EU and that you did not have a mana gem
>>737057861and yet somehow Americans are worse.
>>737058402If I handed you the entire company it still wouldn't be compliant. I have to make an emulator that runs on your current desktop CPU and OS.
>>737058510That's not for you to decide to de facto end them.
Happy /v/ is why I still come here
>>737058452https://www.youtube.com/live/xSla5vfGi3A?si=cbIx02QyKzMwavjo&t=2997
>>737058509Based, I must say.
>>737058506I can't wait for this to eventually happen and everyone see that most servers are fucking EXEs and a config file
i missed it. why didn't you post it in a timely fashion? like a normal person, not some fucking sperg who ran out of meds
>>737057846Of course.
>>737057291He's more dressed up than that time he bartered for children's souls.
>>737058353good riddance
>>737058624Damn he looks really eastern european
>>737058563I actually said from day 1: This will become law in the EU and not in the US, and that I will simply just not sell to the EU. Would be funny to dig that from the archives when it does
Games as a service is the future. The fact is that younger generations want the conveniences of having someone else control and maintain their games. Just look at the success of Steam. The desire to be able to locally host and control your own games will die with Gen-X. SKG is just a minor setback that will be forgotten within 10 years. It’s a futile attempt to delay the inevitable.
Concord was mentioned in parliament
>>737058726My nigga Bazz gwone get justice
>>737057739>it's beautiful because it has an endSo why don't they follow that logic by burning all their historical monuments?
>>737057739>"they just want to hoard memories they can't turn into bragging rights"Genuinely nonsensical sentence, wouldn't this mean they support SKG? Who the fuck wants to brag about experiencing something someone else can't?
Mark my fucking words, in about a year or two from now when this shill campaign succeeds in the EU, you'll be begging and wondering why you fell for this grift to begin with. Things are going to become so much worse with the braindead niggers at the EU agreeing to this faggotry.You thought the corpos were bad? Government intervention will be even worse.
>>737058671Gabe offers refunds to the US because the EU forced him to give refunds to the EU.Not selling to the while of Europe is goofy and also sends a signal to the US that they too shouldn't be buying your game
>>737057787>>737058143>>737057709He was the one that pushed physical media away though. A Murican who is corporate at heart
>>737058671>This will become law in the EU and not in the US>he doesn't know about AB 1921
>>737058671Or more realistically, developers have to make a separate version of a game where it's easier to package for an end-of-life. Which means it's going back to the PAL vs NTSC changes with different versions of games with the EU version most likely having features being removed.
>>737056098EU tech companies can barely compete with Microshit and Jewgle because America's tech companies were built off poor regulation, tax evasion and monopolization. Half the EU countries have weak tech sectors and the other half is probably more busy on the business side of things and background things (open-source projects, software aimed at companies rather than customers etc) so they're far less obvious. Now the US tech companies are actively shitting things up.
>>737058792I'm pretty sure you're a jew.
>>737054848I JUST CAME INSOMEBODY SUMMARIZE WHAT'S HAPPENED TILL NOW
>>737058726As much of a shitty game as it was, it is a pretty good example as to what SKG offers as a way out for companies. If they don't want to support the game anymore, then issue refunds to consumers like Sony did with Concord.
>>737058792>Mark my fucking words, in about a year or two from now when this shill campaign succeeds in the EU, you'll be begging and wondering why you fell for this grift to begin with. Things are going to become so much worse with the braindead niggers at the EU agreeing to this faggotry.>>You thought the corpos were bad? Government intervention will be even worse.>>737058853TL;DR EU support is pretty solid
>>737058853See >>737055163
>>737057739japanese are among the most retarded goyim out therei guess it's not surprising given the fact that they were raped by americans for decades
>>737058853mold has infested the eu parliamentthe infestation is spreading rapidly
>>737057889>"Oh it's so fleeting and beautiful..." Pathetic.
>>737058038>"if it's running on some exotic server architecture, just release the source code and let autists figure it out"desu the problem for a lot of games probably isn't "exotic server architecture" or anything like that, but that they're using some proprietary third-party architecture, and they wouldn't really be able to pass out the source code freely. In which case, you'd either have to reengineer the game for a different architecture, or buy a license from that third-party company.
>>737058268Jag är kär.
>>737058853skg spoke to EU parliament, now it's up to them to decide if they want to go forward and act on itreception seemed pretty positive
>>737058452He did the ol' cee raider shtick>We gonna break ubisoft legs nice and slow
>>737058123>of more capable nations>EU countries>More capable
>>737058862It won't be a full refund since the product itself is not faulty. You're most likely are gonna get some monetary reimbursement or anything equivalent like a digital sticker.
>>737054848IN THE NAME OF KANE
>>737057006Honestly it's a win win for everyone but corporations, shit's less controversial than making child labor illegal
>>737055057Would tying into a ponytail look more presentable? I haven't seen anyone over 35 look not a slob with that long hair. Unless they're native american or something I guess.
>>737058975Most likely. I imagine for games full of microtransactions like Concord was the most they'd offer is the base game price or just partially that.
>>737058974any country is more than capable than the americans
>>737057709Valve was built off of the same core principles, preventing shareholders from having absolute control over your software
>>737058853>Ross: Stop Killing Games>VAST MAJORY OF EU: YES>arguments such as: I like [game] the idea that [game] can be taken away forever is retarded; I don't game but my kid games and I use my money on kid game, so it's stupid that [game] can be taken away]; WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THE 10 GRAND ON SPENT ON FORTNITE CAN GO AWAYeven old retards are in on it
>>737058996what about a man bun
>>737058931>proprietary third-party architecture, and they wouldn't really be able to pass out the source code freelyYeah, this is probably the biggest obstacle. Which is why existing games won't fall under the law, but rather future games. If you know in advance you need to keep the game alive after EoL, you'll negotiate better licensing agreements or use open source libraries instead.
>>737055979IIRC some big gacha games that have hit EOS let you still view the units you got before EOS and play the main story, you just don't get any reward for it.Don't know if this could count, but it's certainly more than most AAA live services games get
>>737057739Imagine being one of the few Japs to care about consumer rights in the country, surrounded by fags like these. Dreadful.
>>737059028Your people needed an American to get this initiative started and maintained. You would not have had an equivalent to this initiative.
>>737058792Da da tovarish. Eyropen ynioni is bad. Game killis is of good.
>>737058792>UH THIS WILL BE BAD ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW HOW BUT IT WILL!!! YOU WILL REGRET IT!!!>>737058804He didn't. Gaben created a service that allowed PC players easy access to legal copies of games from a endlessly growing selection. The whole industry wanted to kill off physical eventually, but they wanted to do it more violently via increasingly more malware-tier copy protection and limited installs.
>>737058808I said the US. You must be a foreigner.>>737058798I actually think the tides will turn. I hate the invading foreigners on the Internet myself, they should go to their own corners of the Internet. Having a social place with only real American's will be sought after as more jeets get the Internet.
I'm assuming everyone else is noticing the obvious "divide and conquer" tactic in this thread against europeans and americans
>>737059117Japs are wall-eyed monsters when it comes to consumer rights for some reason, it is VERY fucking weird
>>737059028Even Russia?
>>737059027My estimate was literally around the 5% to 10% mark of the base game price or player transactions for games that do not have a base game price. It won't be alot, it would be like a bottle deposit of sorts but instead of incentivizing recycling, it's meant to fulfill their duty as the product-seller to reimburse destruction.
>>737059117You have to put it in dragon quest terms for them to get it.>you like Dragon Quest 3? What if every time you started it had to check online to see if you were allowed to play, and what if one day Horii-san said "no, forever"
>>737059175Anon, do you not know what state has AB1921? Hint: It's not an EU one.
>>737059190Goku would fuck up invincible on one hit
>>737059190You've got retards trying to downplay the atrocities of the Soviet Union anon. It's pretty obvious gamingcirclejerk is throwing a fit
>>737059108>if this could countIt would. The proposal is deliberately vague about what they consider a 'playable state' because they want the corporations to do the bare minimum rather than just shutting the game down completely. So if CoD/Battlefield goes offline, even if there are no dedicated servers, they're off the hook because they have a campaign mode. Playing the main story is more than enough to be considered playable IMO.
>>737059214Never doubt brainless contrarianism
>>737059190No need to engage. They're literally seeing our actions reach the EU parliament, while they can only seethe impotently.
>>737059254Someone please help their unattended child
>>737057191Nope, because you did gave ways for others to run it, even if it's not on modern hardware (but since you didn't design it to do that in the first place, it's not a problem).However, if some autistic programmer does manage to make an emulator and you sue them, you might be in trouble.
>>737059175>Having a social place with only real American's will be sought afterI love it when amerimutt larpers slip and let their ESLese throughYou're as brown as my shit
>>737057239>man
>>737059316There will be many features removed like some assets like music or grass texture. It would technically still be playable but some auxiliary features may be lost or broken beyond repair.
>>737059217They'd take it up the ass with a smile on their face though.
>>737059336I forgot that Americans can't read.https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1921
>>737059367I'm peak White. I'll give you a shout out if this disgenic freak ever opens a debate on this
>>737055178I really can't get over how sad this is on a meta level. What we men have been reduced to.
>>737059214Tetris sold more copies than Minecraft.
>>737059190Obviously. >Corporations wont sell to the EU anymore! is such a dead giveaway that Babeljeets are having a meltdown
>>737059429Which begs the question, would fan patches that restore this broken content also be protected?
>>737059514Which was because of non-Russians marketing it globally.
>>737057739based japan knows
>>737059429Auxillary features like grass and music, lmao
>>737059451This is embarrassing for you, and you still don't even get it. Just right over your head?
Lion - MeCrocodile - Game DevsBaby - Game
>>737059028Just want to remind you that when Americans made Wolfenstien, it was kino FPS. When Europeans made Wolfenstien, you literally made a blacked movie game.
>>737059448Fair, salarymen in and out of the workplace, completely shameful.>AHHH YES, SANK YU HORII-SAN!
>>737055057best boss i ever had looked near identical to him, as soon as he retired, and we got hit with a ranjeet, who suddenly mass hired more jeets that turned the company workforce nearly 50% jeet, everyone left leaving them with nearly only jeets, and all of them were, as always, not qualified in the slightest. company lasted 6 more months.
>>737057739>bragging right>"HAHAHAHA I GOT TO PLAY THIS GAME AND YOU CAN'T I'M SO COOL"
So I have yet to see an explanation on how you get what you want without a complete overhaul of all software licensing laws
>>737059549It would have to be remade from the ground up then "modded" in or patched. Just so we're clear, this initiative clearly only benefits enthusiasts rather than the common consumer of video games since it heavily banks on community-led initiatives to bring and assemble games back to maintenance. There are some glaring problems with that but that's a bridge to be crossed when it comes.>>737059606Yes, those features usually don't stop you from playing a game.
>>737059638Good luck when the biggest economy in your country says your precious slop devs can't pull the rug on everyone anymore.
>>737059270Witold Pilecki, the author of one of the most reliable reports on Auschwitz (he was a Polish Catholic and a military officer, no Jewish involvement, remember that Catholics and kikes do not get along.) said the following about commies:>The son of Tadeusz Płużański characterized the torture inflicted upon Pilecki, as reported by his father, in the following way:>"He was tortured quite barbarically: his fingernails and toenails were torn off, his testicles were crushed, and he was impaled on a stool leg. He was tormented in an inhuman manner.">During what later turned out to be his final meeting with his wife, Pilecki confessed to her in this context:>"Auschwitz was small time [compared to what the commies did to me].">His daughter recalls:>...At one of the final hearings, when it was already known that he would die, Father gave Mother a small metal comb and told her she must buy the book The Imitation of Christ by Thomas à Kempis. He wanted Mother to read us fragments of this wonderful little book every day. "It will give you strength," he told her. "I value this book very much and read it all the time. It is also a testament for me."
Great, so maybe EU will have an initial draft by 2036 and actually implement sometime in 2045.
>>737057739These people deserve to be exploited by the most greedy companies on Earth until they are a broken husk of their former selves.
>>737059714>Yes, those features usually don't stop you from playing a game.No, but removing them will make less people buy your game which is why no dev will do it unless they are retarded and spiteful (like some of the supposed "devs" who won't sell in the EU if this passes lol)
>yfw EUchad>yfw you are (or will be) enjoying real life quality of life improvements such as USB-C and video games that wont be killed on a whim by the publisher, while at the same time making americans seethe and cry
Reply to me if you hate Americans and want them to be forced back into the stone-age.
>>737059730Let me ask you honestly, would you want to play an MMO filled with homosexuals? What if you could specifically gate keep 95% homosexuals? Think of the children alone on your game you are protecting. Money isn't everything.
>>737059786
>>737059564Makes no difference. Most games with global marketing have marketers outside of the country where the game was made.
>>737054848This shit is gonna be one big monkey paw isn't it?
>>737059701>software licensing lawsI see you havent read the MIT nigger license
>>737059785I'm talking about the end-of-life package when it comes to missing assets not at the point of release. Though that means some assets will be downgraded for the EU so it's easier to port.
>>737059549An European PM mentioned the "right to resurrect" might be implemented, a variation on the right to repair. So if a company abandons a game, and they leave just the campaign playable while leaving multiplayer broken, the players would be able to reverse engineer the servers without worrying about lawsuits (like what happened with Concord private servers)
>>737059069Yep. Realistically though, by the time this comes into play you're probably not gonna see many new live service games that would fall under this umbrella. These regulations take long enough to come to fruition that developers would've already made their games compliant, for better or for worse. (although with companies still saying shit like "cloud gaming is da future!!!", probably for the worse).
>>737059826If you hate americans you're hating on the symptom and not the cause.
>>737059714>It would have to be remade from the ground upWhat if it was material that was datamined from before the game got EOS'd?
>>737059732i was born in poland during commie rule and it's really funny to see coddled american children try to convince people like me that communism is so great and benevolent and lovely for everyone involved
>>737059646Is this ai?
>>737059786>USB-CI'm american so I'm not sure what you mean.I appreciate that most everything has moved to USB-C but now Im pissed because not every cord is fast charging, or for file transfer. Like sure, it's nice to not have to dig through my USB, miniusb, and microUSBs, but now I have a thousand flavors of the same fucking cable
>>737059862I'm prety numb to fags. I do browse /v/.
>EUbros when they connect to the brand new private server hosted in Bumfuckstan
>>737059701Maybe you should start by explaining what you don't understand about this. I own decades worth of games that never stopped functioning even if the official multiplayer servers went offline years ago, or even if the companies went down. There has never been a problem with this before, but now all of a sudden it's some kind of complex software licensing law problem.
>>737059862What do homosexuals have to do with children? Surely you're not trying to imply they're groomers when we have a convicted felon and pedophile as president and leader of the we hate fags party?
>>737059892That would be huge. So many dead mmo's could be revived safely without worrying that a company will walk up and say "no".
>>737059503...having a bad hairline?
>>737059862>BUT WHAT ABOUT DA CHEELDREEEEENGood luck when your own laws change kek
>>737059918>you're wrong for hating on a demographic that was unironically bombarding SKG threads with genuine child porn
>>737060029>you aren't allowed to complain about gay pedochomos when the president is a gay pedochomoThis doesn't logically follow.
>>737059919Datamining assets as far as I know is not illegal, but it does fall under copyright protection, so if you're gonna re-monetize or put payments into the game you're gonna be in legal trouble.
>>737060046whining that we can't play video games while society is on a downward spiral
>>737059862>would you want to play an MMO filled with homosexuals?No one wants to be around gays but they're everywhere in MMOs. If we could get rid of gays that would be great but we can't.
>>737060079But were they american or were they (((american))).
>>737057739It both makes complete and zero sense for a jap to be this much of a bootlicker. On the one hand, some japanese companies are so humble that they'll raise the price of their products after years of being os stubborn on the price that they go in the red, and then release a public apology for being at the mercy of inflation. (yes this actually happened)On the other hand, some companies being that level of pro-consumer makes you wonder why they'd every tolerate companies from the west pulling such retardedly scummy practices. I'm half convinced a lot of these supposedly retarded japs are actually troon bootlickers hiding behind their semi-passable japanese knowledge to larp as one and fuck with the japanese's largely passive reputation.
>>737059887In that case you are talking about the game having features left out because the lack of functionality being created. Usually it'd be like in-game shops, maybe streaming radio inside a game or such, but the likelyhood of a game tying online systems to fucking grass and music are very slim and if it happened people will just shit on the devs for sabotaging their game and be wary of them next time around.
>>737057739>if these seatbelt regulations go through, they'll never sell cars again
>>737060079Pretty sure that's in the israeli playbook.
>>737057709>Fuckers can't cancel released games anymore >They keep selling and less refunds happenProbably pro
>>737060029That would just make them closet homosexuals, which are all closet pedos. Same same.
>>737060130thats the most man thing you can do. the world is in spiral and all you can think about how good [old game] was.
>>737060130how is ross going to fix society? be the change you want to see in the world
>>737059935if you can't tell otherwise, does it matter?
>>737060201People actually used to say that btw, then they made seatbelts standardized and now everyone has them
>>737060136Not even gay people like gay people. Gay people are frequently the ones to first pop off and call gays "Faggots"
You guys realize that, in a twisted way, we owe this to Ubisoft?
>>737057739>it's beautiful because it has an endMake your life beautiful then
>>737059862>would you want to play an MMO filled with homosexuals? What if you could specifically gate keep 95% homosexuals?Then the EU would kick down your door for hate crimes.
>>737060292They were a sacrifice we were willing to make.
This button will destroy the video game industry
>>737060292Maldavius Fagtree too
>>737058996>anyone over 35 look not a slob with that long hairinsulting metalheads are you!?
>>737060185Most modern AAA games license off assets, like grass (third-party assets) and music (license deals with music publishers), to other companies that may refuse permissions.
>>737059935do you see lioness sanking her teeth within the crock? do you see how slow they act? if ever, why lioness and her cub go where are the crocks at?
>>737060130>no we can't fix bad thing because other bad thing is happeningStay in the bucket you doomer crab.
>>737059930That wasn't from communism. That was just because you're Polish.
>>737060360it didn't destroy the game studios that already had it..
>>737060343Please let Ubisoft die and save Nadeo from their clutches.
>>737059968Are you talking about east coat cloudflare servers again? Anonkun ...
>>737060292I mean most revolutions through history happened because people were sick and tired of someone's bullshit
>>737060090Obviously in no way anything should be monetized, that's absolutely fair (and would also hopefully prevent grifters from getting involved)
>>737054954He has (is still maybe?) bleeding money doing this shit because he delayed all his popular series (even more).The SKG video stuff isn't exactly raking in the views.I'm not sure if he has gained any personal donations or earnings from this stuff. He even told people to not give away any money towards him/the project until it has some semblance of a chance to get anywhere.
>>737060216Same thing, since the US is a vassal of Israel.
>>737060265He represents a lot of men.
I suddenly understand why this upsets Americans.They have no power over these talks, and if it works American corporations will have to comply to sell to the EU. You're not mad about consumer laws, you're mad another country to going to tell you what to do for once if this works.
>If an online game is ending service, why not just release the servers and leave it to enthusiasts?I think it's a very natural sentiment to want to preserve discontinued works as much as possible.However, the circumstances on the game company's side are a bit more complex.The server side doesn't just include the processing to run the game, it also encompasses>operational expertise>anti-cheat measures>authentication logic>monitoring systemsAdditionally, there may be external middleware or contractually restricted elements that can't simply be made public.Moreover, the ideas and systems used there might connect to other active titles or future developments.Even if it's an implementation for a discontinued work, it's a valuable asset for the company.Therefore, it's not easy to say>Since it's ending, we can just release it as is.Players' feelings of wanting to preserve it are natural, but I hope you can understand the company's cautious judgment regarding public release.Rather than one side being right or wrong, I think it's a matter of perspective depending on one's position.
Reminds me of that one french guy who got the gubernment to fund his covid snake oil
>>737060130Crab bucket fagot
>>737060292What exactly prompted this whole debate, anyway? Which game? I've been ignoring it.
>>737060515>please engage in my corporate drivelno:)
>>737060271i guess it isn'tbrb, dowloading some cp
>>737060572Ross kickstarted SKG because he was personally upset about The Crew shutdown. It's been like that domino meme ever since.
>oi stop killin gahms
>>737060515*SLLUUUUURRP*MMMM JEW-CORPORATION BOOT YUMMMYYYYYYYYZYour time is over old man. The ONLY endpoint is absolute freedom. You will die. And I will laugh as the riches you thought youd make melt away.
>>737055590What a fucking angle.>they jealous so they fuck with them, it couldn't possibly be anything less malicious
>>737060634... A car game? Really? There aren't any more of those he could play?
Dog = CorporationsRifle = Video GamesPerson = EU regulation
>>737060503So is EU so what is your point.Interracial adsnegro hordesI baffles me how dumb most of you peple are
>>737060515Not only in terms of man-hours, but there might be additional costs due to rights and permissions, so migrating a game that flopped would be extremely tough
>>737060384That would assume the assets are limited-time licensed. I can still play an old copy of GTA V on PS3 with the original licensed music. There's nothing that say it has to be removed, and SKG probably has the power to shift the way licensing is generally done too away from mere temporary licensing in a lot of cases.Worst case, it can probably be modded back in.
>>737054954Ross has repeatedly said his income has taken a massive hit by basically putting his entire channel on hiatus to do this. Ross has historically also been a noted massive cheap ass whom literally lived on rice and beans to fund his projects and is in this for the love of the game. He also has maintained he really just is waiting for a proper off ramp to let more capable people run the campaign now that the ball is rolling on it. So calling it a grift is an insane stretch when Ross has done nothing but lose money doing this.
>>737056163>alternate timeline Ross accidentally gets caught up in the european mafia and has to fight his way out of Europe, increasingly escalating to killing hundreds of gangsters, cops, and military goons in the process
>>737060683yes...? america does that too and will send out retarded fines to basically steal money from companeis.>u did bad thing now you owe us $999999
>>737060634The crew wasn't the first instance, but it was the straw that broke the camels back, I remember him having a melty about dark spore and a couple other games
>>737060716The Crew was the perfect example to use when kickstarting the initiative.>fairly popular game>online only when it didn't need to be>sold as a product, treated like a service
>>737057739Not removing LAN play from your game is actually really easy. It's actually easier than removing LAN from your online game. So it's actually the easier option. Why do people keep acting like it's some expensive or unrealistic option for a dev?
>>737060763Not unless you made it with those plans from the beginning.>b-but that means I might steer away from making GaaS slopOh, nobody will miss that shit at this point.
>>737060572The Crew. Ubisoft is also getting sued by a French consumer watchdog over it.
>>737060787He's so fucking powerful it's...ITS BLINDINGGGGGG
>>737060672I hate EU so much browns, no growth, mudslimes, browns, telling native euros to shut up and accept cucking, all orchesterated by jews.
>>737060360>>737060464It actually did. Almost all the studios and even software companies from the 80s and 90s are dead, because allowing users to self-host software destroys any need for users to continue buying software from the companies. Games as a service/software as a service is the only way to make the industry sustainable.
>EU fucks over live service games>stops giving taxpayer money to Microshit and further legitimises Linux as a platform>might fund open source software tooI normally hate the EU for their retarded choices (bottle caps, global warming, no homebrewing alcohol) but they're doing alright lately
>>737060360The ancient tech of long lost civilizations. How did they do it?
>>737060515I think the goal is for games, even if it's a big MMO, to be "reasonably playable" after end of service, not "completely intact". So things like secret anti-cheat measures, intra-company connectivity or a complete database of existing user accounts can be omitted even if companies would have to go the build-your-own-instance route
>>737060515I think anons would understand you if they ever find themselves in the position of creating and releasing live service games.
>>737060915WELL THEN SON OF MAN? WILL YOU FIGHT OR DIE LIKE A DOG?
>>737060515>However, the circumstances on the game company's side are a bit more complexAwww, too bad. I dont give a fuck. Nor do I need to.I spent money to play this game, I will play this game. Whenever I want. And your megacorps are going to fucking comply. The end.
>>737060938>Games as a service/software as a service is the only way to make the industry sustainable.Then let it die
>>737060969This is photoshopped. It's literally impossible to implement.
>>737060787His position on israel?
>>737060515Well, good news, they can take that into account in future releases, as this is not retroactive. If they don't take that into account, I cannot say their concerns are warranted considering they do it willingly.
>>737060945The EU is ultracucked but has very strange shining moments of basedness.The US(my home) is founded in basedness with so many retarded moments of cringe
>>737061014This. Then let it go. Who even cares?
>>737060515>The server side doesn't just include the processing to run the game, it also encompasses>operational expertise>anti-cheat measures>authentication logic>monitoring systemsMold man actually adressed these point, citing that those are peripheral services that aren't needed for the game to be able to run. Obviously something might be needed to take their place, but in the past community efforts have shown that it's possible if fans are motivated enough.>Additionally, there may be external middleware or contractually restricted elements that can't simply be made public.Things like music or other licensed media that can be simply ripped out (specialized fan patches would probably be able to restore that content anyway, even if it would be technically illegal), and I can't think of any game whose core features depend on a middleware.>Moreover, the ideas and systems used there might connect to other active titles or future developments.>Even if it's an implementation for a discontinued work, it's a valuable asset for the company.Sure, but just because they are leaving it to the fans doesn't mean they lose control of their IP.I mean, a game like TF2 is already SKG compliant, it really doesn't take that much.
>>737061014What about it?
>>737061017Same as the jew they elected to german to push more diversity, interracial stuff and stripping rights away from actual german citiziens and silencing them.
>>737060938>Games as a service/software as a service is the only way to make the industry sustainable.Shalom.
Kill me
>>737055471No matter what your legends say, you didn’t emerge from some innocent grassroots movement, and you didn’t materialize out of a vacuum of pure play. You were shaped in the early forums and storefronts, armed to the teeth with demands, and set upon every developer that couldn’t keep up.You massacred studios, devoured genres, and exhausted entire franchises without mercy. And you claim the modern industry’s greed is something imposed upon you, as if the endless expansions, the battle passes, the monetization layers were simply dropped into your hands by some external force.You called for more, and yet you claim when more arrived, that it was too much.
>>737061115>Offline EditionFuck you, this is literally impossible to implement. Offline modes, dedicated servers and LAN modes have never been done in video games before and never will be.
>>737060976why the fuck would you willingly work on and release a live service game? that's like dumping chemical waste into rivers for a living
Why can't you guys just buy shares in game companies and then ask them to develop offline versions of their dead games?
>>737061115I'm so waiting for this. Fall can't come soon enough.
>>737061245The question has never been about whether it was possible to let users self-host software, the question was about whether it should be allowed. The lesson of history is no, users should not be allowed to self-host software.
>>737060938>allowing users to self-host software destroys any need for users to continue buying software from the companies.Utter fucking bullshit, I still remember my normalfags classmates migrating from one CoD to another simply because that's were everyone was, without Activision or whoever needing to immediately shut the previous one.The only circumstances I can think of where that isn't the case is if thr new chapter sucks so bad nobody wants to play it or if the previous one was so monetized people don't want to lose all their shit (that they paid for) in the switch, both of which are problems any competent company should be able to solve.
>>737060938if indies can make it work why can't jewcorps?
>>737061218Empty platitude that makes no actual argument. It doesn't matter if Raytheon technologies or coca cola supports or even groomed an audience to believe games shouldn't be killed, whether or not it's true is what's important, and what's true is that games shouldn't be remotely killed because "it don't make me no money no more"
Why didn't the SKG just write emails to Ubisoft and ask pwease pwease pweeease stop kiwwing games instead of going all legal eagle about it?
>>737060938Reminds me of those fridges that were so good the company went broke because it was one and done. How can this problem be solved without becoming predatory?
I think it's fine just to put out the art book and call it a day.
New thread >>737061453
>>737061396Indies can’t. Indie studios die even faster now than they did in the 80s and 90s.
>>737061408To test our power.
>>737061329Now you're thinking like a true samurai!
>>737061408They did, it didn't work.
>>737061408Ross and many others literally did that and Ubisoft said:.........thank you so much for expressing interest in The Crew, thankfully you can buy The Crew 2 for 69.99, buy the gold edition for 79.99!!!
>>737061329f there were enough volunteers with the funds to buy up all the rights, it might just be possible.
>>737061329Because investment firms will always have more share than (You) in any relevant company.Making those fucking parasites illegal would solve like 90% of modern society problems.
YOU HAVE BEEN VISITED BY MOLD MAN, THE PATRON SAINT OF VIDEOGAMESREPLY: "THANK YOU MOLDMAN" TO THIS POST TO SAVE VIDEOGAMES AND ANALLY ANNIHILATE PUBLISHERS
>>737060515>if we go out of our way during development to be unable to disconnect the game from online checks it'll be really hard to implement it at the very end of its lifespanWilling to bet no "external middleware or contractually restricted elements" have ever been worth having.
>>737061396Jewcorps have 30 layers of corporate bureaucracy all on a payroll.
>>737061517Cool it with the antisemitism anon.
>>737060938Then let it die and let new companies replace them when they make new, useful and interesting software instead of creating bloated tech giants. The money doesn't come out of the aether and could be spent better on other shit.
>>737060817Except here it's actually "comply within x time or else we will fine you for anti-consumer reasons".
>>737061245oh dear, how embarassing
>>737059981It's not exactly that complicated or new. A lot of games, especially modern ones, use a lot of proprietary licensed software to handle different kinds of functionality in the game.Even if the devs wanted to open source their game, they wouldn't be able to (or at least, fully) due to the presence of that extra proprietary source code.The law get really fucky when it comes to relicensing, especially if you have sections of code that are in completely different (but compatible) licenses. Anyone who has dealt with open source projects would know that.
just dropping in to add that i would absolutely rail the eu presenter
>>737060834>>sold as a product, treated like a serviceThis is the line where all companies live. They PRESENT something as a product you own, everyone EXPECTS it to be a product they own BUT if push comes to shove it's just a limited digital rented license you get to loan if you pay and hand over all your data it can possibly collect until the end of time.
I bet the real reason companies are shilling so hard is because going from "games" to "software" would be extremely easy for law makers
>>737061738Not defending it but were so fortunate that this version of SimCity sucked so fucking hard. Not that The Crew is great, but it did have a sick map and was kinda cool for a post NFS racing game
>>737061739New laws are not retroactiveand once the law is in place, davs can simply make games with the fact they're not allowed to kill the game later in mind.It's not complicated.
>>737060945>no homebrewing alcoholfirst time i'm hearing thisI can make pretty much everthing as long as it's for domestic use (i.e. don't sell it)
>>737061945>i.e. don't sell itYeah, and that's a problem. Pretty sure Śliwowica is technically illegal to sell because of these ass-backwards laws.
>>737056712so this is what they mean by slam pig huh
>>737061739That's a self-caused problem by the industry. They got too comfortable with the idea of selling goods as a service without even thinking about how it might conflict with consumer rights. The law is not retroactive, but it would mean that in the future developers will need to take it in consideration of how to make the game remain reasonably functional in case the servers ever go permanently down. If the argument against SKG is "Well how the fuck am I supposed to screw over customers now??!", then it's a pretty damn weak argument.
>>737061942>New laws are not retroactiveThey can be and it has been a thing. Mostly? No.
>>737062006I'm pretty sure you need a license to sell alcohol (above a certain %) everywhere in the worldI'm pretty sure you need a license to be selling shit in large quantities everywhere in the worldWe have exceptions for mom and pop farmers that can sell tomatoes outside of their house gate, but processed products would be stretching it
>>737062164There's also A LOT of leeway with the wording "reasonably functional".It doesn't have to be exactly as functional as it was on release.
>>737061518qrd on "MOLD" meme?
>>737062297Years ago Ross has/had a mold problem spanning years.
>>737062265I don't think anyone expects a "dead game" to be the same after its peak. We recently got Unreal Tournament 2004 back. Of course it's not the same as it was in 2004, but it is playable. I can hop in on any server even if there are 0 people online, or even just wander around by myself in offline mode, but at least the game works. Unlike something like The Crew which arbitrarily prevents even from getting into the main menu, let alone to the tutorial driving mission.
This thread has been pruned or deleted. Too early, huh?
>>737062936How much of the janny's salary comes from these corporations?
>>737054848>Right out of the gate, the EU Commission representatives admit that one of their first goals is to analyze in how far SKG is a matter of the necessity for new legislation specific to videogames and digital distribution, or simply the enforcement of existing general purpose consumer rights legislation.Yup - pretty much what I expected *and* predicted back when this entire thing started.Also: wow! Ross looks like he came straight out of an '80s Apple infomercial. Unreal...
>>737063045all of it
Actual new thread >>737059317
>>737062532>fellow ut2k4 enjoyer
>>737060731>>737060731is this AI?
>>737063151>tfw bought her figma>and play ut2k4you guys up for a celebratory gaemu?I'm west EU
the other thread 404'd. why?
>>737059935It is, you can tell from the pixels.
>>737063478because there's already one active>>737059317>>737059317
>>737060938The studio (Splash Damage) that made that particular button (Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory) survived well past the 2000s. They're technically still alive today, except they haven't done anything at all since Tencent bought them in 2020.
>>737060515unlucky should've told the players that you were planning to kill the game before accepting their money rat kike.
>>737063165Both the video and the poster, likely - because:>>737060731>Dog = Corporations>DogBeing unable to tell the difference between a dog and a cat is a classic image classification problem LLMs fail at.
Marg bar amrika
>>737060945>homebrewing alcoholenjoy going blind from methanol
>>737057602The "dev" streamer who said the petition was bad and would kill the industry, killing all momentum. Then near the end of the campaign Ross brought this up and everything blew up. If that doesn't jog your memory, I'm surprised. You should look into the whole drama with that guy, I'm sure there's countless videos on Youtube.
>>737061016Not to mention would kill any company that implements that (but its not possible to do so so dont even try)
