we did it Reddit!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcogLmxnJw&t=27s
kek
>>737113958good... this is great incentive so big AAA devs stop fucking with customers.
>>737114545>Incapable of not emptying his wallet at the sight of new AAA slop.Skill issue.
>>737114545must consoom
>>737114836>>737114703>>737114703Simply to protect games is very important you never know what kind of good game will emerge whenever it's going to be AAA or from indie dev it's important that you have at least some access to it. Also to this is connected a right to repair initiative which is even more important since nobody wants to end up with a fucking car that turns off your engine when 2 years of period will end. Not expecting low 70 IQ chimpanzee to understand this but it is how it is.
Enjoying watching all the kikes, bootlickers, and corposhills lose their shit over this .
what a fucking nerd
>>737114703>people deserve to be scammed if they fall for itChink or jeet?
>>737114903
>>737113958>game you boughtsuch a fuckin flimsy case>publisher: you didn't buy shit, you rented a license for use of our IP>SKG: ...ummmSKG is absolutely fucked
>>737113958SKG, Moldman, and Reddit won!4chan, the trans community, Ubisoft, and Pirate Software LOST!
>>737115119>publisher: you didn't buy shit, you rented a license for use of our IP>EU commissioner: Semantics. Nice try.This actually happened during the hearing, btw. Corposhills on suicide watch
Corposhills getting the rope.
>>737113958This white American will save video games because the rest of you couldn't.
E-celeb obsessed commie populists, pushing for central planning>>737115005SKG is not about making sure people aren't scammed, that's why they excplicitly reject anything notion of legislating against subversive language that would result in consumers being informed in the decision they make. But ofc, if the averake SKG supporter actually knew what was being pushed, they wouldn't be mindless populist retards.
>>737115270good morning saar
>>737114703>>737114836>you like $THING? all your friends play $THING and you want to play it too? j-just don't buy it bruhRetardAlso, as it was said at the beginning, consuming is literally how citizens today live, not to mention how you are not any different when it comes to consuming stuff so this point is double-retardedAnyway that insane (how did this shit even was allowed to be sold??) fallout 76 license agreement seals the whole deal as extremely predatory anti-consumer industry-wide practices that must be brought to a halt asap.Project guthenberg for video games idea also sounds interesting (however I'm still convinced that concord doesn't deserve to occupy even one single bit if hosted on such a project, absolute waste of space and it deserves no mention or preservation, but this is just my opinion), what I like the most is that it addressed different problems at once and it can be looked at from different angles from false advertisement to copyright abuse and forceful erasure of cultural heritage, meaning that it increases the likelihood that something gets actually at the end.I think the pretty much unanimous support during the hearing speaks for itself. Also it's obviously a deliberate business practice, however the facts speak for itself: the majority of gamers would purchase 1-2 games a year regardless if they have literally tens of thousands of games available to them at any moment that were made in the last 20 or so years. From emulation to simply older games being sold in storefronts, the fact that an old game is not immediately killed it really won't push the needle to such a significant amount. Those who would want to play the new game will purchase the new game for whatever reason (friends playing it, interest, supporting devs to get more), while those who wouldn't have purchased anyway won't be really influenced by their old game being still available in that choice.Total corposcum death, comply with regulations or get fined to hell
>>737113958Kill more games. Kill them before they have a chance to come out. Kill them a month after they've been out. Kill them years after they've been out.
>>737114703I always buy at key sites at under 40€ if the game is top or under 20 if I'm interested but doesn't look too good.Absolutely never pay 80€ for a game, no game is worth that much.
>>737113958So what happens if he wins?
>>737115201>This actually happened during the hearingbullshitbaldie has a shot?an actual shot?
>>737114903Oh i am so gonna enjoy the meltdown that's coming.
>>737115119Ok, then we should forbid "selling" revocable licenses whose terms are against EU consumer protection laws.
>>737115119This isn't The United Kikes of America. Arguing semantics and other forms of legal Jewry don't work.
>>737115494hopefully games won't be permanently shut down, if you bought a bunch of skins in an open world game ideally you should roam the open world and still have all your purchased stuff, not necessarily with working online but hosting your own server would also be greatthis is obviously an ideal scenario, as they said during the hearing thei aim is to bring digital media consumer protection close to if not at the same level as physical media which effectively would outlive you in most cases
>>737115512Yes. You missed the hearing, didnt you? Go check it out, one of the suits explicitly called the product vs license thing pointless semantics.
>>737115119SKG support is entirely based on delusionally insisting on this very point.They really think that it'll be enough to get legislation passed that will harm EU intellectual property rights and tax revenue streams.>>737115395>Also, as it was said at the beginning, consuming is literally how citizens today live, not to mention how you are not any different when it comes to consuming stuff so this point is double-retarded>"Oh noo! I'm buying BBQ flavored chips, but sourcream & onion is more popular, so other people are buying that! The government must crack down on consumer choice immediately!"Just STOP consooming GaaS you low IQ apes.
>>737113958>woman starts speaking>endless le quirky gaymur references
>>737115806good morning saar
Why are we defending having less games in a game board anyways?
>>737115806>food analogyKek it really is all jeets and mutts defending gaas
>>737115846It's sadly clear Ross is the only who cares about this and he's clearly stated he would glad step back if anyone else would pick it up instead. But he's the man of the hour.
>>737115806>food analogyIt's literally impossible to have a conversation with you muttsThe initiative doesn't restrict consumer choice in any capacity whatsoever and it doesn't aim to kill live service games and there have already been instances of GaaS like The Crew which seems to be the linchpin of the whole thing getting a post-shutdown patch. There's nothing wrong with someone liking their GaaS game, the whole point is that they should be able to play this GaaS at any point in time without some arbitrary decision from the publisher to restrict said access.You are twisting words, making stuff up and straight up lying (while posting a frog so it's not like anyone expected some valuable contribution to the discussion).Whoever came up with the "less games" retardation is a moron and an idiot.
>>737115968half this board is indian now
>>737116018Ok and why are indians defending having less games in a game board anyways?
>>737115968No part of the initiative would reduce the amount of games.
>>737113958>we did it Reddit!>redditsince when has /v/ become a corpococksucker?
>>737115119Why none of you fuckers actually read what SKG is about instead of going with your interpretation of what you THINK it is? It's all clearly laid out on the site.
>>737116074because they can be paid in pennies by game companies to do so for 16 hours a day
>>737116082Here we see anon mimicking reading comprehension, a trait present on another species, the human being
>>737113958So proud of our lad, look how far he's come.
>>7371160874chan doesn’t have real opinions, it is contrarian by nature. Many times they will defend actions that will actively hurt them because it is opposite of what is popular
>>737116074You really have to ask? Even after all this time?
>>737115119>>publisher: you didn't buy shit, you rented a license for use of our IPThen it's not a product, but a service, and you have no business demanding rights that come from it being a product, and have the obligation to obey all laws that come with it being a service.But they don't want that, because it's a losing situation for them.RETARD
Here's the full hearinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXdmoeaYZ9Y
>>737115512>https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:62019CC0410> The Commission claims that the judgment in UsedSoft ( 24 ) supports the finding that the grant of a perpetual licence to use the software qualifies as a ‘sale’ under Directive 86/653. Similar to that judgment, here the customer acquires a permanent right to use the software in return for payment of a fee, and it makes no difference to the nature of the transaction whether the software is made available by download or a tangible medium, as reiterated in subsequent case-law.
>>737116132>jeets are paid per post by game companies.... to reduce the amount of predatory live service games made by the same companiesnotice the absolute lack of cause and effect reasoning>>737116154great, so we actually won't have less games, case closed, glad we agree on that
>>737116201That's not him. That's the mold.
>>737113958Total Ross victory
>>737115913>>737115993>>737116016>"How about you simply stop consuming feces?">"Oy vey! What are you? A jeet? a mutt!?"I know that low IQ individuals have a tough time with analogies, but man you didn't have to make it this obvious.
>>737116224Well yes, you guys are doing a terrible job driving it back It seems
>>737116272GaaS games are not feces and there's nothing wrong with playing them per sebringing up IQ while completely misinterpreting the whole thing also doesn't put you in a good light
>>737116350Least addicted gacha player
>>737115005They do if they're not weakHowever this is not a scam, it's a ransom
>>737116379Never once in my life did I play a gacha game or a GaaS
>>737116246maybe im too dumb to figure this outdo euros actually OWN the games they buy?
>>737116242(includes one parliament member dropping memes and references at around 20 minutes in)
just cripple your game with an update before killing it and you are good?
>>737115806Why do frogposters consistently have dogshit opinions?
>>737116350>"There's nothing wrong with food served on a plate of shit per se."
>>737116412Why the fuck are you defending an interactive media while never touching it you goddamn mcdonalds ceo marketing slowpoke
>>737116446Technically they do, but that law hasn't been enforced for games yet.I think it was mentioned in one of the SKG update videos.
>>737116272>>737115806>this jeet is unironically tryign the same line that got btfo in an earlier thread>>737114008You really cant make this shit up, corpo defending jeets really are this fucking stupid lmao
I was told this was just gamergate 2.0 and I didn't believe itThen I started reading these threadsIf these threads are radicalizing you against a race or religion take a beat
>>737113958They should be able to disable the server side support but make it plausible to run privately by providing necessary patches and downloads for the game so it can be played by dedicated community. Simple as. It worked for Street Fighter 3rd Strike's community. Let the fans do whatever they want with your shit once your are done supporting it for non monetary gain and purposes.
Imagine paying for online service slop.Couldn't care less. Those games suck.
>>737115270Brown
>>737116541>food analogy>twisting and misintepreting words>>737116546Because the initiatve is obviously about respecting consumer rightsI might have never played a GaaS before but what if tomorrow I wanted to try one, you don't have to engage with something or be affected by it to see why it's actually worth defending, as a matter of fact I supported the initiative and signed it myself without having any skin in the game whatsoever, because it is the right thing to do
Pirate Software caused Ross Scott to enter the word Concord in official parliament records
>>737116676just like your mom, except they cost $75 more per suck and won't say no.
>>737115806Brown
>Americans getting nervous because their masters are getting madIt's the same reaction of a kid watching his dad drink angry juice.
>>737116532>Purchase and play games that aren't GaaS-based, if you don't like the GaaS model.>"No, I simply cannot">>737116612>>737116705>"I'm right because of my inability to engage with analogies"
>>737116272Brown
>>737116705You are correct. It seems I misunderstood your original post frog kun. Keep fighting the good fight
>>737116724The word Concord was already in official parliament records, the supersonic commercial airplanes my nigga.
Imagine holding and defending a stance like "scams and fraud should be legal, and scammers and fraudsters should not be held accountable to any laws or suffer any consequences"
>>737116901there's nothing wrong with analogies except when they are out of place and they are used to misinterpret, twist and dismiss the arguments being made as some kind of gotcha
>>737116901Brown
its so weird seeing an american man in the EU Parliament chamber (I know he technically lives in Poland)
>>737116901>still trying to salvage his "argument" (btfo previously) with a cat pic this timeI will never get bored of bullying butthurt jeets
Friendly reminder to those of you that aren't lving the unironic neet meme and leave the basement occasionally:Talk about this with people you meet in daily life, not just here on 4channel. These constant threads are a containment campaign meant to keep the broader population from become aware of this and siding with the initiative. They do it by spamming threads to antagonize and oversaturate you, so you don't keep the talk here instead of spreading it.The poos will continue spamming these threads until we get the final answer from the commission in ~3 months.
>>737116901Please explain the issue with making it a legal mandate for live service games to have an EoL plan that includes keeping the game playable for people who've already purchased the game or made purchases within it?
>>737116446they own the license of use, specificallybut yes, they own it
>>737115119>he doesn't know SKG already knows plenty of lawyers who are on their side
>>737114703No matter how much you flail around, you've been struck by the trident, little fish. We won. We will own our games.
>>737116995>Analogies are out of place if they highlight how retarded my argument is
>Buying shit that can stop working without actually breaking in the first place.You already failed here. If Slopmaker wants to sell me Slop 5000 remake of the slops now extra slopified my first question is: Does it Work, flawlessly, out of the box, offline. If not its a dealbreaker. The first box to tick before I even spending time researching the gameplay etc. And you know what? I have never haf the problems all these corpo/anti corpo shitflingers had. Its just that easy.
the shill trying to demoralize skg is the funniest shit everwhat's the matter little guy? will (((they))) stop throwing pennies at you if it passes?
>>737116676Moron. Single-player only games that are required to connect online because of DRM that then become unplayable when the company shuts down the server that the game itself never needed are not "online slop", this is 100 % and issue that the companies are causing and they need to be held accountable for it.I don't care about online gaming.
>>737117274See >>737117171You are not making a counter argument. You are trying to sidestep the the argument entirely.
>tranimal and reddit frog posters are Jewish dick suckersThat explains a lot.
>>737113958If there's online service, there should be 4 years minimum service otherwise, refund 50% of the game cost
Conversations completely break down when you just start flinging shit at each other accusing people of being < race > this is actually one of the worst forced memes.
>>737116901Further proving my point that frogposters are the worst.
>>737116510A) It's more work for the developers to do that than it is to just release a server host kit or disable online check-insB) Enjoy your class action lawsuit dipshit, the EU has no patience for planned obsolescence bullshit which is exactly what that is, with a side order of false advertisingA company would have to be both literally retarded and actively malicious towards their customer base to do this.
>>737117460>Waaah stop calling me a jeet waaah!See >>737116224It's not a meme. The whole world knows what you are, sewer-dwelling brown
>>737116676>t. barely sentient retard who was mouth-gaping at the DLSS5 presentation
>>737117361They're not going to give me my bonus
>>737117465That is a cat.
Ubisoft is so fucking awful that not even Nintendo, one of the most ruthless companies in the industry, can be compared to them.Mario Maker 1, for example, is still playable, even though it no longer has online support. Fifty years from now, if you still have the game card and a working Wii U, you’ll still be able to play it, even if there’s no longer any online content.How petty do you have to be for your online game not to even have a "free roam" mode where people can drive freely through the streets?Holy shit...
Reminder they're the same people that want you to send pictures of yourself to social media. Never let the government control your life.
>>737113958based moldman
>>737116724Every story needs a good villain. Thanks for stepping (fucking) up.
>>737117868>Never let the government control your life. Corporations are the only ones allowed to do that.Nice fearmongering
>>737113958Thomas Hobbes maxxing, just needs to shave his goatee in a strip
>>737117868
>>737116724are we sure pirate software isn't just a psyop to spread stop killing games
>>737117951oh Goy! I want to give up my individual rights and freedoms so I can play a 15 year old video game I wasn't going to play either way. Send us a selfie to determine if you can play!
>>737117171>Please explain the issue with making it a legal mandate for live service games to have an EoL plan that includes keeping the game playable for people who've already purchased the game or made purchases within it?There are multiple issues. Chief among them, is the insisting on pretending that there is no difference between purchasing a game, and purchasing access to a live service, all while at the same time, actively rejecting suggestions for legistation that will assist people who're currently unable to understand this difference make more informed decisions when spending their money. Everything else is secondary to this, but SKG supporters really want to have their cake and eat it too when it comes to this.Another point:For the creative that supplied access to the service, keeping the game playable, could impact their ability to monetize their work in the future, should they wish to supply the service once more.Retiring from providing a service for a while, does not mean that you should have your rights to your intellectual property infringed upon.Simply insisting that this isn't the case, is not an argument that will be taken serious in an eventual court of law. Which is why I hope that SKG supporters never elevate from this type of retort.>>737117274 is someone else.
>>737118294>pretending that there is no difference between purchasing a game, and purchasing access to a live serviceBecause there isnt one. See >>737116246>For the creative that supplied access to the service, keeping the game playable, could impact their ability to monetize their work in the future, should they wish to supply the service once more.So in other words>Let them take it away whenever they want so they can sell it back to you againIt's good that you opened up on just how fucking scummy your position really is.>Letting you keep the game you purchased is infringing on corporste IP rights!Lol.
>>737113958PLZ STOP KILLING GAMES!!!!(these laws actually mean corporations will create less games)
>>737118581oh NO!!Anyway....
>>737118294>Chief among them, is the insisting on pretending that there is no difference between purchasing a game, and purchasing access to a live serviceThere is literally zero difference, the latter having an unspecified termination date is also part of the issue that SKG is working against. When you purchase vidya you are purchasing a liscense that doesn't expire it doesn't matter the whether its online only or not. This is literally in every games EULA>Another point:Literally nothing you say here is in anyway correct or makes sense, how would the company behind the game have their ability to monetize their work be impacted? You aren't being made to give the game away for free, just ensure that people are able to continue using what they purchased. No property rights besides those of the consumer are being affected by this. And if the developer wants to have official service for the game return? They can fully do that why would adding offline functionality hamper this?
>>737118581>(these laws actually mean corporations will create less games)Oh noooooooooo
>>737118294>purchasing a game, and purchasing access to a live servicesemanticswhat is sold to people is a license to use. you don't get to withdraw it from me after it's being sold. you're thinking of subscription based access>SKG supporters really want to have their cake and eat it too and we will. cope>keeping the game playable, could impact their ability to monetize their work in the future, should they wish to supply the service once moreyou mean like when blizzard killed overwatch so that they could launch the same game, but with a 2 in the name?wow what a deal to customers, having their game simply taken away so that they could be forced to buy it again. amazing>rights to your intellectual property infringed uponwhat rights exacly? nobody is taking their work and reselling it. well, the publisher would love to do it, hence skg
>>737118003I kneel...>>737118581and that's a good thing, name 5 great recent games
>>737117868Government actions can be good or bad, just like those of corporations.If the tourism industry is lobbying to keep niggas in jail because they're robbing and raping people on the streets, ruining business, then the corporation is on my side.If the government is imposing harsher penalties on these same niggas because they're ruining people's lives, then the government is on my side.The problem is when corporations and governments start being dominated by women and Jews (both real ones and goyim who think like Jews), and suddenly, for some mysterious reason, they're releasing criminal niggas onto the streets while going public to say that "white supremacists" are the greatest social risk right now, and that's why resources should be used to combat them or some shit.Reminder that all these Internet control measures are really just the establishment trying to silence the chuds who spout "racist" and "misogynistic" truths online.
>>737118294>Simply insisting that this isn't the case, is not an argument that will be taken serious in an eventual court of law.You've come a long way from crying the petition is a grift and wont get any signs or attention, havent you? Look at you, accepting that this is going to enter legal debate now.>Which is why I hope that SKG supporters never elevate from this type of retort.You'd have a point if this were in the united shithole where corpos can bribe and armtwist judges to strike it down. Thankfully, rhe EU has a long history of resolving cases like this without succumbing to legalese semantics.
>>737117267no, as I said, analogies are out of place when>they are used to misinterpret, twist and dismiss the arguments being made as some kind of gotchawhich is exactly what you are doingnot even once was my argument actually addressed in any capacity>The initiative doesn't restrict consumer choice in any capacity whatsoever>Just le don't consooom is not an argument because there's literally nothing wrong with the concept of a live service game per se and the initiative doesn't even address it, because the main focus is consumer rights protections and responsible shutdown of the game>>737118294>purchasing a game, and purchasing access to a live serviceThe (false) advertisment for both is virtually the same.Nowhere in the GaaS trailer or main advertisement material does it say "erm actually you revoke any and all rights to this produ- erm we meant service, therefore you will destroy all copies of this game in your posession without notice when we decide (arbitrarly) to shut it down, no refunds".Your argument starts from the false premise thus the whole thing falls apart.>more informed decisionsPeople made an informed decision, which is exclusively based on "wow this game is fun" regardless if it's a live service GAME (not product, as corpospeak would imply) or not, this is the only reason why people purchase and play video games in the first place.>Everything else is secondary to thisYou are obviously not familiar in any capacity with the material and reasoning behind the initiative, it doesn't matter how you perceieve consumer habits or what you think about GaaS games, the initiative is calling out specific predatory consumer-rights violations and it's actually the primary objective of the initiative.>keeping the game playableKeeping the game playable doesn't go beyond "it doesn't shit itself when you click Play".>couldHere we get into what-if imaginary territory aka details to which you would latch if you had no arguments left.
>>737117868Now this is prime fear mongering using blatant lies.
>>737113958>>737118515he looks like a 16-17th century aristocrat, I kneel
>>737118003Yeah I'll be honest, I've never gotten various ideologies that claim you should only focus on X thing to the exclusion of any other power brokers.Like sure, the Communists have a point about how Capitalists and Corporations can be incredibly shitty, but either won't or can't admit that their empowerment of the state is gay as fuck, and vise versa for fags crying about the government doing anything being communism. Maybe they're all just the dumb supporters and the actual texts are more informative, but I doubt it, they'll probably just give increasingly dumb justifications about how it all really just ties back into being that one power in a society.
>>737118581>(these laws actually mean corporations will create less games)
>>737117868>>737118203God forbid the government wants to make sure that you're a person and a legal citizen or not before letting you use services. What's next? They're gonna require ID to vote or something?
>>737118626>>737118742>>737118770Wow, Epic Argument >>737118770They own all your favorite IPs regardless
>shill completely demoralized within minutessometimes this board is alright
>>737118964If they die I will be able to buy the IP
>>737118902Sorry buttfucker22 we can't let you play this game because you said mean words on the internet. Our community doesn't allow chuds and racists.
>>737118501>https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:62019CC0410Anon... This is not law, it's an opinion.>>737118737>>737118768>>737118812Once again, SKG supporters insisting on there being no difference, because it doesn't suit their narrative.As I said. Please do continue this line of argumentation as is. Never change.
>>737118105He wishes he was that smart
>>737118861
>>737119095Looks like a troon lol
>>737119092Why do trannies hate that guy so much?
>>737118861>>737119095was thinking of this
>>737119171He spoke out against communist populism whilst being trash at World of Warcraft
>>737119081At this point you are being an idiot on purpose, when you buy a thing you own the thing. When you make a single purchase and are not told upfront when it ends. That is bad,This only exists in this single market.
>>737119081here you go, retard: >>737115201
jason hall shoves ferrets up his ass.
>>737119257You forgot the part where he looked up solutions to a puzzle game on a live stream and pretended he solved it himself
>>737113958Ross-sama is so powerful...
>>737119268>When you make a single purchase and are not told upfront when it ends. That is badCorrect, but efforts to force publishers to inform customers upfront more clearly is explicitly not what SKG wants you illiterate chimp.
>>737119268you didn't buy the product though you bought a license to access the product. it's like watching a movie or going to a concert. You can't just force the band to play for you 24/7.
>>737119202I said that earlier, he just needs to rock that strip goatee for that 17th century english politician look
>>737118964Nigga your argument is "If these laws pass game developers who make money by making games will just make less games." Nigga is you dumb? And you want SERIOUS counter arguments, FOH.
>>737119298Again, this was an opinion voiced by someone supporting the initiative. Not a ruling on the matter, but do keep coping.
>>737119081>This is not law, it's an opinion.>the JUDGMENT in UsedSoft ( 24 ) supports the findingThe factis that your cope hinges entirely on the "it's not a product, it's a license!" legalese which the EU commission has openly disregarded as pointless semantics. Nonchalance is a nice look, but you actually need to stay calm and disconnected for it to work.
>>737114703>industry consistently fucks the consumer on every level whenever they can get away with it>industry unnecessarily shoves online requirements whenever they can >retard (that’s (you)) sincerely believes that game developers wouldn’t try to kill single player games the second they could get away with itget fucked. This is being throttled in the cradle before it can spread. Go ahead and cry about the slippery slope without a trace of self awareness now.
>>737119391I never said add labels. I want the practice to stop. I want SKG to win.
I actually believe anti-SKG posters are genuine idiots, not just paid pajeets.This board had people arguing against refunds back in the day, after all.
>>737119401>we should never change things to make them better
You're representative is part of the Pirate Party. BWAHAHAHA. MPs there must roll their eyes when this girl shows up.
>>737119546>I was trolled easily back in the day
>>737119401Pointless semantics, faggot.
>>737119546Don't forget Gubberment only bad
where were you when eurobros revealed that they own all of their games REGARDLESS of bullshit corporate meddling and semantics?
>>737119606when it comes to digital rights, the pirate party is probably the most competent of all parties in the EU parliament
>>737119501>"the JUDGMENT in UsedSoft ( 24 ) supports the finding"It's not a judgement on the referencing opinion. It's part of the opinion anon...
>>737114703Canadian government subsidized Ubisoft for years.
Remember that government bad when it enforces pro-consumer policies, but government good when it lets corporations own IPs.
>>737119507My point is that this exact type of argumentation, where you want your cake and eat it too, is what I hope you keep going with, if the matter ever lands infront of a judge.
>>737119906>Kato Sauli terve. Mitäs EU-komissaari?
>>737119081>As I said. Please do continue this line of argumentation as is. Never change.>>737118294>Simply insisting that this isn't the case, is not an argument that will be taken serious in an eventual court of law. Which is why I hope that SKG supporters never elevate from this type of retort.>this poor american cuckold unironically believes the YOU BOUGHT A LICENSE YOU DONT OWN THE GAME bullshit will actually fly in an European court of lawI pity you poor fucks, I really do. You actually believe having a corporate cock up your ass 24/7 is a state of being.
>>737119906Yuri??
>>737119865Yeah, I like owning things. I would like to do more of that when I buy them.>you only bought a license wahhhWe should change things to make them better. Not whine on behalf of corporations because "oh no everything will fall apart" since that has never happened.
>>737119546Most of them are literal children upset that their guru who worked at blizzard got slighted.
>>737119906>>737119986
>>737119712athe opinion is based on a previous judgement, meaning it has precedence retard.....
>>737119906suddenly starts cooking meth
>>737120010>I would like to do more of that when I buy them.Then try buying games instead of trading your money for limited access to skinner box services retard.
>>737120068Tell it to the judge.
>>737120108>go to store>buy box with game in it>put disk in my PS4 that hasn't connected to the internet>game doesn't work because cannot reach game server>plug it into the internet>game server is actually dead foreverokayThis is fine and should not be changed. Why do you not want this to be fixed to make things better?
>Sorry chuddy, you're gonna own your games and you're gonna like it
>>737120108>Just ignore the cancer and it'll go awayOr we could actually make things better and remove the "limited" part. How about that?
>>737119257>He spoke out against communist populismdid he actually?no wonder noone is running defense for him
>>737113958>no we don't want refunds, there has to be greater legal ramificationsThis sounds genuinely retarded
>>737119906increased his test but looks less aristocratic
>>737120108You're afraid.
You think Ross's autistic wife is having a private melty over her husband getting so much positive attention/fulfilling his life's work?
>>737120218>buy box with a license in itftfyNow go back to the store and make use of your return policy, if the service wasn't available at the time of them selling you the license.Simple as.
It makes sense when you realize the opposition consists of gacha addicts afraid of losing their goonslop casinos.
>>737119081>Anon... This is not law, it's an opinion.what about the ruling of the court?>https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:62019CJ0410>The concept of ‘sale of goods ’ referred to in Article 1(2) of Council Directive 86/653/EEC of 18 December 1986 on the coordination of the laws of the Member States relating to self-employed commercial agents must be interpreted as meaning that it can cover the supply, in return for payment of a fee, of computer software to a customer by electronic means where that supply is accompanied by the grant of a perpetual licence to use that software.
>>737120376Return policies should also fuck off, why did we ever add those?
>>737120328>Can't explain how
>>737120189>Go tell the EU judge about the precedent from an earlier EU case rulingThat probably sounded like a better gotcha in your head....
>>737120427But anon, this initiative is literally to preserve predatory goyslop so Ross can make quirky videos about it 20 years after it was released
>>737116224>>737116018The world would genuinely be better off without Indians
>>737120437AAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>737120457In fact, we need more laws that protect corporations and less laws regulating how they can screw over customers. In fact, we should tax the working class more and give their money to corporations to bail them out.
>>737114703>catranny>worthless postAll is well with the world.
>>737117579This entire board under the tyranny of loud schizophrenics
>>737113958The pajeeta single-handedly set the hearing 2 steps back with that speech holy shit
>>737120376Again though, why should we not try and make things better? >>737120252>>737120340>>737120427Makes sense. They just whine that things should stay the same, you bought a loicense and we should keep this system so I can feel smug during internet shitposting
>>737120498How is giving a refund not enough? It's completely unrealistic, and rather than be informed and not playing trash, it's asking the government to step in a preserve trash for you. Your tax dollars are going towards preserving ubislop with temporary licensing because it has a Honda civic in it or whatever. This is like the dumbest shit I have ever seen.
>>737115119The EU doesn't give a shit about what you signed lmaoIf companies try to only write contracts to allow temporary leases while they retain ownership over the IP, the EU will ban those contracts and extend the definition of ownership to encompass anything where you exercise personal and exclusive rights over something
This is some weak corpo shill, the previous ones at least had the balls to spam cp to get the threads nuked.
>>737120795They don't want the threads nuked, because that only mattered before the signatures. Now they want the threads to stay, to keep the topic isolated to 4chan so the normies don't become aware and public opinion shifts even more in favor of SKG.
>saves video games
>>737120747NTA. Giving a refund "would" be enough but it just makes no sense. It'd mean the publisher is so religiously committed to destroying their own product that they'd gladly lose money to make it happen.How about let people play the damn game. It's genuinely cheaper than refunding them, and makes for a happier userbase.
Based Ross
>fucks up 1 pull>leads to a hearing in front of Parliament
>>737114703>sell something as X>it's actually Yit's pure fraud, back to invading lebanon for you
>>737120372>a guy that lives in mold and eats nothing but canned beans has a wife and I don'tAt least he's a cool dude...
>>737120747Because it implies a service should keep shit running forever to keep its money + it foregoes the cultural preservation aspect + it's still planned obsolesenceA refund is "not enough" because of maby aspects and would probably not be ideal for the company anyway.As usual the anti-SKG crowd is retarded.
>>737118861I mold at your general direction!Un garde, monsieur!
>>737120682>Again though, why should we not try and make things better?I'm not convinced that limiting consumer choice, when the thing people want is already available.If I'm able to buy and play the games that I like, why would my life improve, by creatives of games that I don't support having their rights to their property infringed upon?
>>737121026>I disagree but I can't explain whyAs usual the tranny shills are retarded
>>737121049>I'm being infringed!>How?>I can't exploit my customers by stealing what they paid for!
>>737113958>dark satin dress shirtNice aura.
>>737116007>and he's clearly stated he would glad step back if anyone else would pick it up instead.and for this he's a real one who deserves to go down in history as the spokesperson for the movement
>>737121049What rights are being infringed? You sold access and didn't say when it expired. I'm liking the cat pictures but you are a complete idiot.
>>737114703>You want cars that can be driven without software upgrades? Just don't buy it!How pathetic does one have to be to not have even the slightest feeling of being helpful in their society? If your neighbour gets shanked for walking in the park at midnight, do you say>"haha serves him right, fucker should have known to not walk around there at that hour" instead of >"we should do something so that people feel safe in public spaces"
>>737114703Its simple, anon, no matter how much I don't pay, there will be 10 more people who will pay, and thus reward the scummeryThe signs were there when initial always online outrage about Diablo 3 and SimCity died out, do you even hear anyone complain about it nowadays? Thought soIgnoring the issue or yelling about it on the internet simply does not work, other avenues must be taken even if they are imperfect
>>737121105>Doesnt even attempt to counter any of the pointsWhy would a company want to lose money for no good reason after their budget is run dry?Why would a gamer want to lose his game?
>>737120747>How is the Corporation being graceful enough to give your money back after they take your purchased product away from you without your input not enough?In the civilized world, corporations cant send suited up thugs to your home to brain you with a bat, slap $20 in your hand and take your stuff. What kind of third world shithole are you posting from where this is allowed?
>>737121169>"we should do something so that people feel safe in public spaces"Racist.
>>737118861Dude went from a night shift security guard to actually addressing the EU parliament. If there's a goddamn character progression arc it's this one .
>>737113958Pirate bros... we lost
>>737118581>(these laws actually mean corporations will create less games)>Corporations whose business model is just making gamesFuck else are they gonna do? Make movies?
>>737121169shit wrong image (well what I posted isn't even an image but you get the idea)
>>737121189This. SKG's goal is not just ideal for gamers, it's the best compromise for failing companies too.
>>737120747"Here's an offline mode that we know we would have to put in when we sunset the services."Sure is endless support you fucking mouthbreather.A refund would work. 100%. However I'm sure the money raised by selling the game would go away after refunding all copies. Money that surely didn't already get spent. How are you this fucking stupid? Please say you are merely pretending.
>>737121049>If I'm able to buy and play the games that I like, why would my life improve, by creatives of games that I don't support having their rights to their property infringed upon?What rights? The right to scam your players?
>>737121049>why would my life improve, by creatives of games that I don't support having their rights to their property infringed upon?their rights are being infringed upon by....not being allowed to steal the products that they legally sold to the customer? what?
>>737120986>>737121129You keep the purchasing of a limited license for access to a service, to purchasing the underlying service.>>737121152>You sold access and didn't say when it expired.If the license stated that access could be revoked at any time, then why did you purchase it? If your next argument is about to be that it doesn't count, because you were ignorant of this fact, then tell SKG to stop opposing proposals for legislation to force better informing of consumers.
>>737121049
>>737115606That doesn't work in the US either. Judges, for the most part, try to get to the heart and spirit of the law, and determine whether something was written in reasonably good faith.
>>737121317>Fuck else are they gonna do? Make movies?
>>737119606Seems like an entirely regular bunch of people, I mean its Europe, don't think MPs are gonna be that bothered by a girl whose hair is dull red color
>>737121471Please show me the license that I can access without opening the box making it unable to be returned. Bonus points for not telling me to look it up somewhere else. Also terms like that are illegal in the EU, burgers don't have rights for anything
>>737119606Ross looks like he would rather be anywhere else instead.
>>737121569He has stated this many times
>>737121471>You keep the purchasing of a limited license for access to a service, to purchasing the underlying serviceNot what EU legal precdent says
>>737121471>You keep the purchasing of a limited license for access to a service,No, I purchased a product>I-it's not a product it's a li-Didnt you get btfo on this point a few posts back?
>>737121471So if I buy a TV from a store, but somewhere it says they have the right to reclaim the TV back any time they want, then it's okay if they do it just because I bought it, since it means I agreed to that?EULAs and ToSs can't override actual laws, you retard. That's what you're not getting. It doesn't matter what they say, it matters what the law says. If the law says a sale is a sale, a sale is a sale, and they better fucking honor it.
>>737121397>>737121406>>737121639More examples of mindlessly insisting on their own ignorance.Buying limited access to a service != buying the underlying service.The affirmation of this really being the one sickly leg that this whole initiative desperately balances on, is really nice. Now go get a judge to rule on the matter.
>>737121708>false equivalenceWhat does that have to do with a license, low IQ tranny
>>737121708I get paid based on how many replies I get from Mr Software
>>737121331>your vehicle cannot be driven. How. How the fuck did this shit actually hit the market. How did we get to this point.
>>737121763I've yet to see the shills actually respond to this argument, and it was getting posted a year ago
>>737121763Please name a service aside from video games that does not have a pre-determined endpoint.
>>737121818Unironically "GUBERMENT BAD" people being allergic to any regulations and allowing corpos do what they want in order to squeeze their customers dry>But competition-Will be crushed by big boys or simply bought out
>>737121818Sadly, it's because someone bought a car developed and assembled in USA.
>>737121763>Now go get a judge to rule on the matter.Got one! >>737120437You really should try another angle, shill. This "Product =/= License" point is pretty much done and dusted.
>>737121809It's a literal equivalence, moron. It's the same principle. Or do you think slapping "license for this TV" would work anywhere?>>737121817The only reasonable explanation for that level of shilling.
>>737121818Hey, commie? If you don't like it, don't buy it. Do you seriously want the government to control your car? Do you?
>>737121924Corporations only exist because the government holds them up.
>the "hello my fellow 4channers" catfaggot is still goingworking overtime huh
>>737121192Did people forget when Deadmau5 got a cease and desist from Ferrari lolhttps://www.stites.com/resources/trademarkology/deadmau5-gets-in-trademark-catfight-with-ferrari/What's allowed isn't so black and white
>>737121960>This "Product =/= License" point is pretty much done and dusted.>"pretty much"Good job demonstrating that you actually do understand that you haven't had a judge rule on what SKG is pushing yet lmao.
>>737121370Anon, that's literally already a law in the US and it's why Ross brought it up. How is it stupid?
>>737122096Sadly yeah
>>737121864The answer is that games aren't services. Calling it GaaS doesn't make them actually services. So none of the "much license" and "muh service apply".
>>737122096Ehhh depends on how you count lobbying
>>737120747>Sell a million copies>Shut down after 3 years>Give a full refund as required by law to one million people>End up with zero dollarsThis is the most retarded idea I've ever seen to fix this problem. People say it's insufficient because it's obviously unsustainable to a ludicrous degree
>>737122114>FerrariUSAlol
>>737122141>you haven't had a judge rule on what SKG is pushing yet Because SKG hasnt hit a court of law yet. The legal precedent and general opinion on the matter are clear as crystal though.Dont feel too bad about it, corposhill. You did your best.
>>737122175I made a typo.>Sure is endless support you fucking mouthbreather.That should have been sure isn't endless. When one argues with idiots, one must not become one or something like that.
>>737113958So I've read about and I honestly dont understand its purpose.They say if some law gets created its not going to be retroactive. So only shitty-ass GAASlop like Marathon and Fairgame$ are going to be saved? If thats the case I'd rather let the corporations win this one.The people stupid enough to waste money on this shit dont deserve to have fun.
>>737122351good morning sir
I will never understand why people defend legitimately evil corporate practices that are made to fuck you over, you the consumer, you the buyer, you the one who pays for the thing. You who defends them, you are getting fucked and you still defend it? What kind of weird masochistic person you need to be to have so little respect for yourself?You as the consumer should have all the rights, all the protections, you wanna 3D print a part you need for a device you got 15 years ago? Have funIt should be your right to do whatever you can.You should not have to care about MBA money people who are there to fuck you over in any way they can, why should you have mercy towards people who hate you? If you are planning to stop selling something, why can't someone make it work in any way, you don't have to provide anything just don't shut that down. NOOOOOOO BUT NOT MY GUBERMENT PIPO, brother do you really think any corporation or institution will ever do anything for you? The state should for for you not the other way around, they should do everything for the consumer for the people and not for the billionaires and corporations because of brib.. i mean lobby laws being shit.
>>737122351Holy shit just watch the EU briefing
>>737122194Excuse me, but that's merely your opinion.>>737122297>Because SKG hasnt hit a court of law yet.There you go! Now go actually make a judge rule on your arguments, as I said.I don't know why you're trying so desperately to convince me that the law is already settled in the same breath though. I'm not the one you need to convince.
>>737122518You control the purchases you make.
>>737114703i don't even play AAA, it's just about the principle. unprincipled halfwits can't comprehend this.
>>737113958If you can't 1v1 win against Ross in UT04 than stfu
>>737122351If you really can't think of a game you like that can be easily killed currently then you're probably not even a gamer.
>>737122351>>737115806>least obvious corporate bootlicker
>>737122551>Excuse me, but that's merely your opinionCalling something an opinion doesn't make it one. Just like calling something a service that doesn't have a predetermined end date doesn't make it a service.
>>737122351Careful, you'll trigger the commie hivemind.
why is the european union peak cuck with everything but absolute bro tier when its about btfoing big tech corpo
>>737113958jason status?
>>737115119>publisher:Publishers don't get to say anything to begin with and the hearing isn't about arguing over law terminology or technicalities anyways. The people in parliament despite being fucking retarded seem to be smart enough to have abstract thinking skills, a skill that an autist like you is missing apparently.
>>737122518The people defending it aren't customers or consumers, they're shills.
ITT: retards
>>737122518Because they're paid too retardBut they're so blatantly and nonsensically shills that nobody takes them seriously and they're just making the thread more visible
>>737113958I wonder what mental disease causes people to associate everything with reddit.
I can't shake off the feeling that catfaggots and frogtrannies are not only the same people but that they lack a lot in the frontal lobe department.
>>737122564>Calling something an opinion doesn't make it one.Oh I'm sorry Mr. Judge! I didn't realize you'd already made and enacted your ruling on the matter! How many SKG fines have you placed on GaaS providers so far?
>>737122835Nah you're just a schizo
>>737122551>I don't know why you're trying so desperately to convince me that the law is already settled in the same breath thoughBecause there's a legal precedent for it. This part of the argument is set in legal stone, no matter how much it hurts you to admit.>I'm not the one you need to convince.This sounds like projection after you spent an entire thread trying to convince people of your "You didnt buy a product, you bought a service!" narrative and got btfo. >Excuse me, but that's merely your opinion.And you're still doing it. How sad.
>>737122619>If you really can't think of a game you like that can be easily killedI cant because I dont play any game with a GAAS tag.
>>737121049>>737120747>>737119606>>737119081
>>737120967Heh.
>>737122619>"If you don't mindlessly consoom GaaS slop, you're not a real gaymer!"t. every SKG supporter ever
>>737121941Rent free
>th-this will never go anywhere!>this is bad thing why would you want this!>I-I helped you y-you're welcomeHoly moly is there anything you won't say you faggot furry RAT bitches damn Ross raped you hard.
>>737122691GNOMED
>>737123116You WILL be given rights and you WILL like it, bootlicker
>>737123183Jesus calm down. Stop seething over e-celeb shit.
>>737123168Uh oh, tessie owner got his feefees hurt.
>>737123360I don't even have a license lmao wrong tree
>>737123303You won't infringe on my intellectual property rights, and you'll HATE it, mindless GaaS consoomer.
Haha I can’t wait for the “gaming commission” to partner with esrb to make sure we can only play nigger games, forever!
>>737123321>guy has been spamming cat pics for 3 hours because he's butthurt at Stop Kike Gays
>Look at all these seething shills.
>>737118902Every civilized country requires an ID to vote.it's only the US that's fucking retarded.
>>737123463>my intellectual property rights,>he's not even trying to hide it anymoreWhich corporate do you work for?
>>737122252>Sell a million copiesof what? Bread? Medicine? Furniture? Any product or service that people pay money in exchange for? That's called property, and it's mine. >Shut downSo the distributor takes away property. A game that is inoperable after service ends is not the same thing the customer paid for. It is property that has been destroyed.>after 3 yearsSo a company decides that all the bread, medicine, and furniture that I've bought should be taken away 3 years after the fact. Funny thing is that property law usually doesn't let one entity take property from another without compensation on a whim>Give a full refund as required by law to one million peopleIndeed, I am being compensated for the loss of my property>End up with zero dollarsBecause the company decided to take away property I have a legal right to.>People say it's insufficient because it's obviously unsustainable to a ludicrous degreeIt's unsustainable for consumers to exchange money for goods and services that can revoked without an equal exchange of value. The government protecting the property rights of people is the purpose of a government. Until living, breathing companies start showing up in the census, it will always be the government's role to protect the property rights of PEOPLE.
>>737123579Intellectual property rights encompass every EU citizen you retarded burgoid.
why is this thread being flooded with corporate bootlickers
>>737118294>Retiring from providing a service for a while, does not mean that you should have your rights to your intellectual property infringed upon.What IP rights are being infringed on? How does allowing a legally purchased copy of a game to be played offline violate one's IP ownership? Does buying a game grant me partial ownership of a developer's IP?
>>737123760>larping as an EU citizen nowtoo late for that, corpocuck
>>737121236is ok, at least we still have ferrets to rape
>>737114703I dont buy triple A, but others doI have no other option to control the marketsIf you have money you can just hire an army of shills to advertise your game on /v/ for free source: catalogue full of RE/Capcom shill threads that always ask a question in their OP to generate as many organic replies as they can
How does patching a game to run offline or releasing dedicated_server.exe infringe on your intellectual property rights? This is not some new foreign concept. Almost every game with a multiplayer component used to do this and they never lost their property rights.I remember the good old days of "Host Game" and "Local Area Network" in my games, and I'll be getting them back, thanks to Ross.
>>737123862>His distorted reality now hinges on the belief that no European Citizen would speak up for European intellectual property rights.Ay caramba!
>>737124104It just do.
>>737124104>How does patching a game to run offline or releasing dedicated_server.exe infringe on your intellectual property rights?You can play old games which means you don't buy new games which means Yves can't buy a new lambo.Simple as.
>>737124104Because it hurts the feelings of indians everywhere. Can't you see it's evil?
>>737124067>I dont buy triple A, but others doThen let others buy the entertainment of their choice commie.We don't want your retarded central planning.
>>737114703More like incapable of playing a game without online servers cause devs said fuck you while making it, cant wait for every game to become singleplayer offline in the future
>>737114703>new AAA slop.Old games close, too. The Crew was 10 years old when Ubisoft closed the servers.
>>737124259>Only always-online slop games exist!Case in point you retarded zoomer.
>>737124104>How does patching a game to run offline or releasing dedicated_server.exe infringe on your intellectual property rights?because if you keep your purchased product despite corporation trying to take it back, you're cutting into their profits and future plans of selling it back to you. Despite, y'know, the fact that you actually bought and own the fucking thing.
>>737123710Anon I'm arguing that they should make games to not be killable so that giving back all their profits is not the only option they would have
>>737116087/v/ has become such back in like 2012. The place is filled with psyops and bots ready to leap out of the woodwork if the status quo is questioned.
>>737124250>commieLike clockworkI dont give a shit what you burgers do, you can drown in poojeet and kike shit for all i care if that means avoiding hecking "gommunism"The scamming of EU gamers will stopNext up, the banning of influencing public forums using chat bots and paid actors or "shills" as we like to call them Better start looking for a new job elsewhere
>>737124119>he said in a thread about a european movement speaking up for intellectual, digital.and actual property rights that he's been tryign to demoralize for hours Sigh.
>>737113958Jason Hall is samefag seething all over this thread
>>737124207>>737124487Are you saying people won't buy games they already own? Or not buy sequels to a game they previously bought? This is objectively false.
>Oy vey I hate those Games as a Service which is why I never ever buy them but don't you think it's wrong that the goyim won't be able to buy them as much if this succeeds? We need to fight against this gross government oversight hampering a product that I completely hate actually.Who do you think you're fooling?
Daily reminder that during the golden era of video games no publisher was able to just stop your game from working. Yet the corporate stooges that post on here pretend that we will "kill" gaming by forcing companies to build games with solid foundations (something they did for decades prior with ease, and something which will cost them nothing once implemented).
>>737122912>I dont play any gameI know
>>737124703The Crew, which is the entire basis of what set this thing off, was not a GaaS game, you absolute retard.Even ignoring that, you are affected by GaaS shit even if you buy the games or not, because the same design philosophies carry over to other games.
>>737124517My bad, I didn't realize you were shooting down the refund hypothetical as a false equivalent. Consider it more reasons why a refund policy wouldn't work on the grounds of property protection.
>>737124618Stay in Russia Ivan. You will never be European
>>737123463SKG has nothing to do with IP.Also, IP isn't real property, it isn't even a thing, it's just a bunch of barely related concepts, all of which violate actual rights and liberties. So I will actually infringe upon it, and there's nothing you can do. SKG will also succeed, but that is, again, unrelated.
Any highlights from the full vid? I don't have 40 minutes to spare on it
>>737124682>This is objectively false.Because you say so? Is that why they try to delist and disable support for older games in favor of pushing remakes and remasters?Stop killing games, you fucking jew.
>>737124646>He has lost track of the conversationSkill issue
>>737115270They don't go after weasel words because that's a separate issue that's so universally hated it doesn't need lobbyists, and the EU is already taking measures against it in a way that includes more industries than gaming. You can already get in trouble for refusing someone a refund for his "service license."Making a game available past a moneyholder's personal whims is a more niche issue that needs advocates to live.
>>737115005Worse: American (Jew)
>>737124104Anyone who disagrees with this is either a corpo dicksucker or a negative iq retard.
>>737122619Lol what? I don't play garbage. I'm just happy that the judes are going to be pulling their hair out now that they have to commit to their shit tier gaymes as a service slop and lose money if they try to keep it online for like 40 concurrent players. If you play gaas garbage then you have no brain and are probably brown skinned. This doesn't effect me.
>>737125117>SKG has nothing to do with IPA judge will have to decide on that. Sorry buddy.
>>737123546
If every lolbertarian on earth died what sectors of society would suffer?
>>737113958reminder that this guy only did all of this because of a post he saw of /v/ on ifunny
