Remember when these guys had a massive, rabid fanbase?
>>737160540I used to be part of the massive rabid fanbase.What happened to them, man. What happened to us. The glory of the world is transient and stuff, man.
>>737160540>>737160605you all transitioned into captroons
>>737160605Iphone happened.Also Personafaggotry became the norm.
>>737160540Still the king of JRPGs.
>>737160636Man, once upon a time Persona was for like the 5 weebs who knew about Shin Megami Tensei.Never let your favourite franchises get mainstream, kids.
Japan lost
>>737160682Modern SE is trying to brute force some kind of action combat system instead of sticking to its turn-based roots, even as turn-based combat is making a comeback among RPG players.
Square sucks and they deserve to lose every last fan they still have.
>>737160540there is only so much shit you can eat before you decide that maybe you really don't need to eat shit.
>>737160540I remember when they could not miss with their games. SNES and PS1 were peak Square.
>>737160897don't forget the piles of money they wasted trying to make lighting the next cloud, bruh, i remember when they tried to make her a "virtual model" and some expensive brand even used her to sell purses.
>>737160540squeenix's problem is they're a big publisher that wants western AAA numbers, but they're stuck developing jrpgs.
>>737161003the only thing keeping them floating is ff14 revenue and some trash mobile, they even fumbled dissidia
>>737160605You remained loyal to the company's name instead of the developers who left because the suits in charge abused the shit out of them.
Next SaGa when
>>737160636Persona was always an attempt to casualize SMT, from changing demons to personas and shadows to making the whole thing a visual novel with teens doing silly shit and talking about emotions.
>>737160605>What happened to them, man. What happened to us. The glory of the world is transient and stuff, man.Like anon said, company logos don't make games. Actual people do and those people have been leaving SE or caving to corporate pressure.
>>737160540I haven't cared about anything they made post-FFXI. its like they lost their entire soul and only make trash now.
>>737161132Iit's this notion that people who haven't played FF7 think they know Cloud based on Advent Children.
>>737160682They make more jrpgs than any other company but they all fall squarely into ine of four categories, cheap pixel art indie-like stuff, FF with their annoying action combat system that plays itself, turbowoke soulslike slop full of halfshave dykes and the odd decent-ish game that slips through the cracks every few years.Other companies like Monolith make less games but they put in the work to make exactly what the fans want instead of the stupid shit SE is doing.
>>737160540They still have a rabid fanbase, it's just literally one guy. Go try to make *any* criticism of Remake or Rebirth in one of those threads and watch some guy correct you.
>>737160540They still do. We just call them cultists now
>>737161251Name one company that did better.
>>737161251yea square makes woke games unlike monolith. i loved xenoblade 3 with its interracial relationships and strong female characters and i thought it was a bold yet progressive choice to cover up the ladies in xenoblade x.
>>737161251SE needs to have a larger portfolio like that because in their corporate mind they need to cater to EVERYONE in some fashion. It's just painfully evident some games were made on a barely existent budget.
>>737161359>SE needs to have a larger portfolio like that>>737161251>They make more jrpgs than any other company
>>737161359i still upset they killed record keeper to drop more watered down retard mobile games.
>>737161359This game is so shit, man. It's basically just a tech demo showcasing the armor system. There's no reason for this game to exist. This seriously is something that would come out of a "game jam" or like a student team of game designers who are still in college and did this as one of their projects.
>>737161412Yes, but his point was their games are scattershot attempts because they want entries in budget categories rather than anything creatively driven.
>>737161446>because they want entries in budget categories rather than anything creatively driven.That's called being successful.
>>737161396and the fact that she wasn't even supposed to be the mc on ff13 but he was so obsessed with his creation that it spawned 3 retarded sequences... Fuck man.
>>737161412>buys western studios with extremely strong IPs>proceeds to complain how they all "underperformed">all the while shoveling endless money into the furnaces of FF15 and FF14 trying desperately save them from development hell
>>737161396Yeah, Lightning was the gaslight gatekeep girlboss pink haired feminist cunt before those even existed.
>>737161516Those Western studios probably wish they were still under SE's umbrella.
I asked what company did it better and no one replied.Aside from Fromsoft I don't think any.
>>737160540Square quite literally forgot what saved their company from bankruptcy and bit the hands that fed them. They are getting what they deserve, the company is entering the lowest point of hell.
>>737160540I have one family member that is still crazy into Square. I feel bad cause he's always trying to hype up into the newest FFs (even the gacha slop) and other SE stuff. And just no one in our group of friends cares
>>737161516They really destroyed tomb raider and deus ex, not that they were in good state but still... Also the fact they sold these ips to invest in some retard game base in NFT one day before the nft market crashed was such a karma moment.
>>737161580>Square quite literally forgot what saved their company from bankruptcyThe urban legend that "Final" Fantasy was called that because of bankruptcy is false. It was made up. Also, Square Enix does all kinds of shit now, like they publish manga such as My Dress Up Darling. They're really not in any danger despite Final Fantasy VII Rebirth flopping.
Every now and then I read the Final Fantasy 7 house wiki page just to remind myself who I'm really talking to.
yare yare
>>737161583>How dare people like what I dont
>>737161516>>all the while shoveling endless money into the furnaces of FF15 and FF14 trying desperately save them from development hellActually, XIV is the only FF making any money. Square Enix keeps XIV on a shoestring budget and funnels all of the money it makes into other projects, never reinvesting the money it makes back into it. It may not be a pill that people want to swallow, but it's the truth.
>>737160973That fucking movie ruined everything
>>737161659Uh huh, sure. >FF7R ahhh-Ah you're one of those rabid weirdos. Explains a lot.
>>737161678Maya...my minotaur's wife...
>>737160540Everyone shits on them but they are dying becuase they make good games. Autistists losing their shit becuase of some small petty detail well everyone whos making money in the industry is doing it by GAAS, Gachas, and MMOs as there is no money in appealing to aging autists.All of E33 makes what GTA5 did in a month, a decade latter.
>>737161750he's referring to the fact ff14 had to be taken offline and fixed for an extended time, effectively getting a re-release. that wasn't free.
>>737161763>Ah you're one of those rabid weirdos. Explains a lot....what? Are (You) a schizo? https://wccftech.com/final-fantasy-named-bakrupt/
>>737161583Your friend group includes a random cousin? That's so fuckin sad lmao,
>>737161760advent children? yeah
>>737160973Imagine getting your new favourite game 18 months after playing your last favourite game.We never knew how good we had it.
>>737161807>Everyone shits on them but they are dying because they make good gamesnah, they are dying because they are making awful shitty games anon.
>>737161750They're invested in the idea that modern MMO faggots are mentally ill and will just eat up whatever they shit down their throats so long as they continue to get to play dress-up dollhouse, Mario Party and Simon Says Dance Dance Revolution and they're right.The biggest upset in FFXIV's history after A Realm Reborn was that the fucking cutscenes weren't good.
>>737160540They still have a rabid fanbase. It's just not massive anymore.
They were literally going to leave the video game industry for good after the xiv 1.0 debacle. Yoshipiss their sad asses, but they've wasted all the money they earned on the same dipahits who put them on the red to begin with.
>>737161915>mfw only getting FF13 trilogy for an entire generation
>>737161903i think he is talking about that abominations called spirits within, they ate they own propaganda and believed they were master of the craft and could do no wrong...
>>737161960I mean, yeah, that's probably why they keep it on a shoestring budget despite it being FF's moneymaker, choosing to funnel its profits into shit like Foamstars.
>>737161967People also ignore JRPGs are a lot more fractured now with WAY more competitors catering to different tastes. New FF is no longer some blockbuster event everyone needs to own.
>>737161898NTA but sad in putting down a random /v/irgin, on a Friday night, for fun... Yikes!
>>737160540>The game's just playing itself, John
>>737162006God damn. Was XIII really the only FF on the PS3? I didn't even realize that XIII ate an entire console generation's worth of FF games.
>>737160540
>>737162006Kek>>737161943I seriously dont grasp the rebirth hate. 16's gameplay was awful. Its just that nobody thriving is really good anymore. Fromsoft is the only company thst made a billion that I respect.Maybe the future is obscure French AA studios but fuck...
>>737160682What do they even have for JRPGs these days? Octopath? It's fine, I guess. Slightly above the usual Falcom slop which isn't saying much at all but it is something, at least.
>>737160540Same thing that happened to Blizzard and dozens of other companies.They got too big for their own good, let it go to their heads, and then participated in the ridiculous and self-destructive DEI hiring processes that's caused several companies to close their doors.Both companies only survive because they have a few hundred thousand people addicted to their MMOs that will never quit no matter how bad things get. Although it's honestly hard to even imagine WoW or FFXIV getting worse than they already are right now.
>>737162006Her dumb face and the tiny cartoon bird just makes it. Your kind of selling me on retrying this series.
>>737162207>I seriously dont grasp the rebirth hate.It's just overly bloated. It really didn't need to be 3 separate games. They stretched 8 hours into 40 hours in the first one, and they stretched the next 8 hours into 80 hours in the second one, complete with yellow paint. It's not a Final Fantasy game, it's an Ubisoft game.
>>737162190epitaph
>>737162190>parasite eve>front missionGod i love parasite eve 1 and 2 even when every other friend of mine hated 2. Front mission, i have so many fond memories training codes to get secret bodies and weapons on 3.
>>737162225A bunch of remakes and sequels.
>>737162190>rent ehrgeiz because cloud>play the fighting mode with bro a couple times>neither of us really like it>find the dungeon crawler mode>play that a bunch>rent it again just to play more of the dungeon crawlerAnyone else?
>>737162225Monolith Soft delivers occasionally. There's also the legend of heroes but they do have their issues with the writing and it's pretty hard to get into since it's such a gigantic undertaking/continuous series.
>>737160540They've gone steadily downhill ever since they quit being square soft and enix.
>>737162309I always liked it how in the sea of crazy character designs Front Mission was the bastion of sanity.
>>737162415i know of squersoft, but what was enix even doing before the merger
>>737162465Dragon Quest was the big thing, they also published things like Star Ocean and Grandia.
>>737162562and valkyrie chronicle.
>>737162465NTA, but I generally liked Enix more than Squaresoft. I liked FF more than DQ, and I loved Chrono Trigger, but everything else I preferred EnixSoul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/TerranigmaActRaiser7th Saga/Mystic ArkRobotrekDragon QuestBrain LordEVOGrandiaStar OceanValkyrie Profile (the Tri-Ace games)Mischief MakersSome of these the just published, like Mischief Makers, but you get the idea
>>737162378Yes brand new quest is so superior to the main game its almost a joke. I had my fun with ergheiz back in the day, but the last 20 years every time i play that shit is brand new quest, not ergheiz
>>737162190>>737162309how are the FM remakes?
>>737162741not good...
>>737162378Shit, I did part one. We didnt even try the dungeon crawler.>>737162652That one pisses me off. They were so good and multiplayer would have been unreal. I also would have loved some cheap asset reuses with less voice acting. They had something and gave up becuase the expensive parts nobody wanted werent selling.
I remember
>>737162741>FM1Suffers from looking cheap when they updated it to 3D and new "content" isn't worth it.>FM2Only one worth checking out because you can't play it natively in English.>FM3Generally a waster of effort with dubious new assets, AI generated or otherwise. I guess if you want three consistent-looking games and you've never played the originals you could check them out because the core games are still good.
>>737162190man I loved Einhänder, so glad they made a tribute to it in Kingdom Hearts 3
>>737162465Pretty much just Dragon Quest but that was a cultural phenomenon over there so it's all they needed. They also published some decent games but the merger was about DQ and forming the ultimate jrpg super company.Square went to hell after that merger it was like the enix side won the power struggle and ruined Square's IP's.
>>737162465drakengard started as an enix published game
>>737163001>Pretty much just Dragon QuestYou could only think this if you are a zoomer or someone who didn't start playing video games until after the merger.
>>737163001nothing ever good comes of a merger like that. best example would be your parents lmao
>>737162927>Only one worth checking out because you can't play it natively in English.fuck
>>737161903No, I'm talking about the movie that fucked Square over financially forced FF's creator to resign from the company
>>737163071enix is trash
>>737163237Nope.
>>737163396Yup.
>>737162656All of them were published. Enix was a publisher.
>>737163428You're probably a zoomer who didn't even know about Squaresoft or Enix and weren't playing video games until after the merger anyway.
>>737161750>FF14 becomes most profitable final fantasy gameLmao is that supposed to be an achievement in the series or something? It's like celebrating that WoW is the most profitable Warcraft game. Uhh yeah, no shit?
>>737162656>Mischief MakersI wonder if they even remember that they own the publishing rights. They should just let it come to NSO for the young peepo to enjoy.
>>737163459Nope.
>>737160897you act like the Octopath, Triangle Strategy, Live A Live, Dragon Quest, and Bravel Deafult games don't existseriously what the hell is with you people
>>737163540As much as I hate that everything is just a remake now, I'd still like to be able to own bundles of the games I liked as a kid on Steam. All they've really done with the Enix IPs is the Star Ocean 2 remaster and (bizarrely) a bad ActRaiser remake. If we can get more SO2s that'd be nice, but if it'd turn into ActRaiser type remakes, I'll pass. >>737163551Your zoomer shitpost opinions don't matter, anon.
>>737163521The point is we are getting lost litters at value, and fans are still pissed.
>>737162225>>737163623
remember Tokyo RPG Factory? yeah neither do i because i prefer complaining about games i like not being made instead of buying them
>>737163623The people who piss and moan on 4chan that Square Enix doesn't make JRPGs anymore are really pissing and moaning that *Final Fantasy* isn't turn-based anymore. That's what they mean when they say that. Also, they have no interest in and will not buy any Square Enix game unless it's named Final Fantasy. And also they haven't played a video game in over a decade.
>>737163718This. Everytime someone says "SE doesn't make JRPGs" is a massive fucking cope.
>>737163718
>>737163623awful nu-shit made by hack devs
>>737163768Live-A-Live is basically a Remaster that was made by the same guy who originally did Live-A-Live. Be honest, anon. Do you even play video games? You're here just to shitpost, aren't you?
>>737163718they just need to see the brand name on itthey otherwise wouldn't have played Final Fantasy Tactics, or the Crystal Chronicle gamesits why they also didn't play the Mana or Saga games>>737163768i just assume they're bad games because i need to believe all games are bad! gives me reason not to play them but still call myself a fan of them!
>>737163821Are you saying modern square is good?
>>737163884Do you think you are doing some kind of gotcha right now?
>>737163921You won't answer?
>>737163884Thanks for confirming that you are here only to shitpost and that you don't even play video games.
>>737163702I find it weird how I Am Setsuna gets zero discussion. Solid 8/10 game and Im not even a Chrono Trigger fan.Some of my most played vidya music on spotify.
>the Octopath Traveler games are good>Triangle Strategy is good>Bravely Default is good>Live A Live is anything but a soulless remakeSHUT UP SHUT UP! YOU DON'T GET HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR ME TO BELIEVE SQUARE ENIX SUCKS
>>737163872You speak at least some of the truth, but there are some anomalies. For example, Final Fantasy VII Remake is not at all a traditional Final Fantasy game and is instead exactly the type of thing that people hate modern Square Enix for, but I think it gets a pass because it has Cloud in it. And then the most vocal argument online is that XVI is a piece of shit despite having the Final Fantasy name. So if they keep making "new" nonstandard Final Fantasy games, people might like them as long as it has old Final Fantasy characters in it.
>>737163929the games i've brought up are all good
>>737163982problem is final fantasy's best game can rent a car now. every title after 10 has had weird decisions that hamstrung revenues and/or the integrity of the franchise
>>737163948setsuna was mid at best... Go check rpg if you want
>>737163948I am Setsuna and Lost Sphear were both just extremely forgettable. Totally playable games, but not really remarkable, and any game that attempts to follow in Chrono Trigger's footsteps always seems to fail.
>>737160540When they still had the shame to hide the obscene object >>737157985>>737009191from the public and advertisement.
>>737160540Somebody needs to tell them they don't need to put so many cutscenes in the game. It's literally destroying themselves, wasting so many time and money.
>>737163930Only real gamers like modern square kek
>>737163982>the first Octopath Traveler game is good>Triangle Strategy is ok, it broke the 2019-2022 drought.>Bravely Default 2 is the perfect dictionary definition of mid, down to its very core.ftfy
>>737164051if you want a company to make good games, you buy their good gameswhat do you actually want
>>737164059not one good game
>>737164107Your post seems wholly unrelated to mine.
>>737160540honestly no I can't remember.
>>737164068yeah Triangle Strategy is okay, but it should have been called Final Fantasy: Triangle Strategy, THEN IT WOULD HAVE FELT GOOD
>>737164087Lost sphere was awful. Mechs are gay. I really enjoyed Setsuna though.>>737164074>Go check rpg if you want?
>>737164107We still waitng for Square to make one but all the talent left.
>>737164107i wanted a good ff, but then i got 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. i stopped at 15
>>737164149FF was ruined so no it wouldn't feel good.
>>737164089Did you hate Nomura before VII, anon? Or did your hatred start there?Does that hatred extend to his other games like XV and Kingdom Hearts?
>>737164125>>737164158you didn't play any of themyou only would have if they were called Final Fantasylike this>>737164167
>>737164149woulda been a decent tactics game with a few tweaks
>>737160540They still do if the shitty remakes being so upheld is any sort of indicationBut XVI was great it just had awful exploration and mediocre party interactions.
>>737164183>don't play games>still wants to bitch about them 24/7 this is why we need gatekeeping
>>737164208I gave up on FF a long time ago friend.
>>737164167Rebirth>16>Remake>15>12>10>8>4
the best squeenix game i got this decade was nier automata and they didn't even develop it themselves
>>737164264nice try, but i can't be baited
I just realized that all Final Fantasy, Square Enix, and any JRPG thread (ex: E33) all have the same 2 or 3 schizos who fucking hate Square Enix and/or Final Fantasy and they just samefag shitpost on cooldown until the thread archives. I wonder how Dragon Quest avoids having these schizos.
>>737160540After the massive success of FF7 in the West, all they needed to do was make games like that with a few minor modern tweaks forever and they would have just printed money.
>>737164245You're right we do and we could get rid of modern square fans like you.
>>737164258>>737164209the branding of final fantasy means nothing considering how different the games are from each otherthe place we're at now is as if people were begging for a Final Fantasy Legends revival when the SaGa series exists
>>737164301DQ schizos are even worse
>>737163623>Pixelshut>HD2D shit>GOOD MORNING VEGETA: The ArtstyleNo thanks bro
>>737164245He's a schizo, bro. Don't even try. He's not here in any sort of good faith, and his schizophrenic hatred has transcended and is now entirely disconnected from whatever originally caused him to feel this way. He is on a crusade now, and he'll be doing this for the rest of his life.
>>737164301The OP is hating on modern Square. If anyone is out of place it is you.
>>737164297I probably should have thrown 1 and 2 in. There you go.Rebirth>16>Remake>15>12>1>2>10>8>4
>>737164324i don't buy their bad games but buy their good gamesif you want them to make good games you play their good gameswhat the fuck do you even want
>brand loyalist calling other people schizoembarresing
>>737164354FF used to be good and now it's shit. That's the difference.
>>737164371I'm not saying anyone is out of place. I'm saying that all Final Fantasy, Square Enix, and even any random JRPG thread is just the same 2 or 3 schizos who fucking hate Square Enix and/or Final Fantasy samefagging and shitposting on cooldown. You're one of them.
>>737163623None of those, except maybe Dragon Quest, are big, blockbuster AAA titles. Square Enix used to put out BIG JPRGs that would often have the premium AAA experiences of their time.
>>737164447Check out reddit if you want blind praise of a fallen company like Square.
>>737164420>thinking a good game came out means you're a brand loyalist>guy who doesn't play games bitches and needs to bitch more than playing gamesthis is tumblr tier thinking
>>737164383you can't even call that bait, if you don't include 7 and 9
>>737160540No.
>>737164445>>737164463>it needs to be AAA! it needs to be part of the FF brand!
>>737164482I've been here longer than you have and I've never been anywhere else. I'm not even saying you need to be positive all the time. I'm saying that I just now realized that every thread that is even remotely related to Final Fantasy or JRPGs has the same 2 or 3 schizos who samefag shitpost on cooldown, and you're one of them.
>>737160605>drop turn based jrpgs and pivot to shitty ripoff action rpgs>right when everyone is getting bored of action combat (unless it's fromslop) and moving to turn basedKind of hilarious that 16 came out right around when BG3 did, then Metaphor, then E33 (among tons of smaller but successful turn based games and jrpgs) that all mog it to oblivion.
One of the reason is the fact that in 90s and early 00s FF and many other Square titles were the apex of vidya industry. They were surpassed from mid 00s by a lot of other software houses while they were stuck in the mud after FF12, with 13 being shit and the dev hell of Versus 13, trying to change the roots of the series. Plus their other ips were almost abandoned in favor of milking FF to death and buying western studios expecting billions of sales
>>737164518Man GTA5 sucks ass why do so many people play it
>>737160540No.I remember when SquareSoft did.
>>737164087I think Chrono Trigger's actual gameplay is just kinda fine. It's one of those games that is more than the sum of its parts, with the only thing that particularly stand out against its contemporaries being NG+ and visual polish.
>>737164550Ok whatever boogyman you need to invent to help cope with some negative 4chan posts about the absolute shit state of modern square.You're pathetic.
>>737164573also, they owned legacy of kain and tomb raider for like a decade or two. ran one into the ground and fucked the other
>>737164501Those are obviously better but if you want the whole list. My uncle was raped by Hironobu Sakaguch and this is the ontologically correct order. This is at time of playing, the 15 second load time on 9 would obviosly lower it a lot by modern standards.Tactics>7>6>9>3>5>Rebirth>16>Remake>15>12>X-2>1>2>Tactics GBA>10>8>4>Tactics DS>Origins>13
>>737164573>Plus their other ips were almost abandoned in favor of milking FF to death>Visions of Mana>SaGa: Emerald Beyond>Star Ocean: The Divine Force>Live A Live
>>737164659>It's one of those games that is more than the sum of its partsYeah, obviously.
>>737164676that shit is all on Crystal Dynamics
>>737164714what an utterly weird ranking. may god have mercy on our souls for reading it
>>737164664You don't even play video games, anon. You revealed that earlier.
>>737164187After the time when he started to "have a habit of running away when things become inconvenient, saying that wasn't him".
>>737164802yawn
>>737164831if you're bored, why don't play some games?
>>737160973>>737161915People who didn't experience it don't know what it was like. It was like Expedition 33 released and a year later an even better game by the same studio with a different story and different cast of characters and one year after that another game as good or better than Exp33 again another completely new story, new cast of character new world, new music and on and on it went. That was Square Soft at it's Golden Age.
>>737164795Ive seen people get real upset but I think that just proves how autistic FF fans are. You might disagree with 1 or 3 choices but your list would more or less be the same. But God forbid anyone doesnt put (choose title here) in the top 5 even if the rest is the same.
>>737164714IV>X-2>XII>I>X>VII>VIII>IX>III>II>V>XIII>XV>VI
>>737163001Square was already going to shit before the merger. After the movie flopped, they forced Sakaguchi to leave the company, and Takahashi left around the same time to create Monolith soft since they wouldn’t greenlight Xenogears 2 due to massive movie investments.
>>737164969Interesting. I do think if I played X-2 again it would go higher. What did you love about 4 and hate about 6?
I still remember the FF13 Xbox saga. FF fans were suicidal lmao
>>737165067Final Fantasy is junk food, and I think IV is just the best junk food. VI tries to be way too much and fails because the cast is so bloated. It feels incredibly disjointed and like it doesn't know what it wants to be. I don't even think it feels like a Squaresoft game. I don't even think it has memorable music outside of a couple tracks, which is rare for a FF game no matter how bad it is.
>>737165090>the FF13 Xbox sagai don't remember anything, but none of my friends had an xbox. wha happen
>>7371647204 games in 20 years of Square being shit isn't that much anon
>>737165183EGM and EGM2 were great mags
>>737165250Not him, and I wasn't terminally online back then like he might have been, but I don't think anything happened. I had both and I got XIII on Xbox just because I thought it'd be neat to play FF on Xbox. I can't even imagine what sort of literal virgin subscribes to console war shit.
>>737165157Cant say I agree but logic tracks. Your top ones are much tighter well your bottom ones are sloppy fucks.I love a good fever dream plot though. The fact you need to steal a sleigh in 2 is just kino.
>>737165294these are only the latest entries of these "dead" franchise
>>737165336you mean it was just sony vs. xbox faggotry? how boring
>>737160540>Remember when these guys had a massive, rabid fanbase?No, I remember Squaresoft having my rabid loyalty though, because almost everything they released was exactly what I wanted. RIP.
>>737165392I don't know, whatever "happened" was something I was oblivious to as an FF fan, but what else could it even be? I can imagine people being upset it only Xbox got XIII, but both consoles got it so like who even cares.
>>7371649694 is the best of the 2D FFs that I agree with. But otherwise itsX=VII>VIII>IX>XII>XV>XIII>XVI
>>737161760>That fucking movie ruined everythingYou're making a mountain out of a molehill. Square was still making great (and lucrative) games as late as the mid-2000s.
>>737165450console warriors argue and brag about exclusives (no matter how shit they are) to this day, so might be
>>737164616Take-two/Rockstar literally got "hacked" recently and 90% of players and GTA5 income is from consolefags; 70% of that share being Playstation.
>>737165487Wrong.
>>737165525It wasn't exclusive though.
>>737162009>i think he is talking about that abominations called spirits withinIt really isn't that bad. I hated it when it came out because I thought it was basically going to be Advent Children and it wasn't, but watching that movie in modern times, it's really not that bad and it has insanely good CGI for the time period.
>>737165551they also whine about not anymore exclusives, is what i mean. did they release the ff7 remakes on the switch?
>>737165369Where one is a remake and one had its studio shut down even before the release
>>737162082FF7 remakes were announced for PS2 and tech demos shown on PS3.
>>737165672>did they release the ff7 remakes on the switch?Remake, yes. Rebirth, soon, but not yet I think.
>>737165250The eternal snoy. FF was practically Playstation exclusive for a decade before FF13 so snoys felt "betrayed" even back then. And yeah, despite the 360 actually being slightly weaker than PS3's POWER OF DA CELL, it was way easier to develop for. So the optimization for 360 ports balanced out the weaker hardware. Also consider that back then FF was still huge, especially in Japan, so they kinda chimped out over there as well about catering to American products. Anyway, the real irony is that snoys stopped buying their games which made Square Enix stop acting like retards and just go fully into their current multi-platform strategy. Well, they're still working on said strategy because it's still half-assed but it's a start.
>>737160605>final fantasy background>downloading trailers on shitty internet>reading every strip of newsThey have become such a joke.>>737160682You'd be better off playing Falcom, Monolithsoft or Atlus games than anything from Square Enix, the best JRPG they released in the last decade was the Live a Live remake.
>>737160540Nope
>>737160605>>What happened to them, man.>Got complacent thinking everyone will come to them because of brand power.>Made exceptionally stupid decisions with their FF games like11 following up on 10 by being a console MMO.12 being an MMO-lite.13 being a trilogy because Toriyama had some weird fixation for it.14's launch being an untested disaster that had to claw its way back into relevancy almost immediately.15's everything.16 being the easiest character action game out there with an uninteresting story.7R becoming a pseudo-action game that's a sequel to the originals instead of a remake.The FFX-3 content being some of the worst written content they've ever made.The entire Fabula Nova Crystallis deal which felt unnecessary in general.>Constantly make lower budget games then release them with no marketing like Triangle Strategy, Lost Sphear, or Diofield Chronicles, do something so exceptionally stupid that it ruins the game like in Chocobo GP, or just send games out with little fanfare like NEO TWEWY for seemingly no reason.>Releasing lower budget games that literally seem like indie games at times instead of a slightly higher budget Squeenix game.>Releasing remasters and remakes that make the game worse than just outright emulating the game, either visually or just from downgrades.The Dragon Quest games are great examples of this. 11S to this day still has not had its visuals fixed in any way for the PC or PS4 and 7 released worse than the PS1 and 3DS versions.>Heavily invested into gachas that could barely live for a year and spent an absurd amount of money and effort to not even really have consistent ones outside of Ever Crisis, Record Keeper, and KHUX the latter two having already EoSed.>Decided to shift to investing into NFTs when NFTs were already on the way out.>Heavily focused on censorship for seemingly no reason that has only gotten worse over the years.>One of the major companies to hop on Game Key Cards for the Switch 2.
>>737167345>Heavily invested into gachas that could barely live for a year and spent an absurd amount of money and effort to not even really have consistent ones outside of Ever Crisis, Record Keeper, and KHUX the latter two having already EoSed.>Decided to shift to investing into NFTs when NFTs were already on the way out.>>Heavily focused on censorship for seemingly no reason that has only gotten worse over the years.This alone is what will sink SE into irrelevancy if it hasn't already. They spent a huge amount of money and time into pivoting into NFTs when they absolutely should have been focusing on their core market and their core selling point. They used to release 20-30 games a year and now they're down to 5.
>>737165771Square willing to look at an rpg from nearly 30 years ago at the time of remake means something
>>737167569they should be remaking their bad games instead, start with ff16 and 15
>>737167463>They used to release 20-30 games a year and now they're down to 5.Well, a big issue is something you can at least sympathize with them with which is that the bigger games require a significant amount more effort than they did back in the day to make and I understand their confusion at how they got 7 through 9 out in like two years when now 7R alone took like five. There's just so much more that has to be accounted for now. This doesn't excuse their output on the lower end games though, I don't understand why they're not figuring out something outside of 2D-HD to work with as a style that defines their side games, experimenting more with their RPGs, and making more lower end spinoffs.We used to get Crystal Chronicles, Tactics, Chocobo games out the wazoo, DQM, and more. Now at best you get DQ Treasures and that's it for multiple years.
