it was made by jonathan so completely forgettable
meanwhile PoE1 still going strong

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How can I post about games I've forgotten if they are forgotten retard

I just don't know or care to figure out how to engage with the endgame of PoE. Once I got to the area where you have to input maps into the device and then clear areas, I was totally lost and just stopped

>>737454239
early access strikes again

>>737454239
Why does it run so bad on xbox series X? Maybe I would've liked it more if I tried it on PC but I can't really justify using mouse and keyboard for a cookie clicker style game.

>>737454239
>guys, just 6 months until release
>well actually 4 years because we rolling 0.1 > 0.2 > 0.3 and so on 3 times a year..
fat fuck lied again

>>737454321
I forgot about PoE 2 until just now seeing a short advertised to me on youtube about their next update. I understand you and I meant no offence.

Kiwis are doing their best. Be nice.

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Just chill out bro, it is what it is, more time to get high together.

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I never forgot

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>everyone was hoping for PoE1 without all the retarded mechanics and slower/methodical combat
>started out like that
>poe1 BABIES cried like crazy because the game was too hard for them
>devs make the game way easier and doesn't nerf stuff
>now the game is just a bad copy of PoE1
I HATE POE1 BABIES

>>737454284
all they've done since release is make it more like poe1 and that is why it is absolute putrid dogshit now. what an absolute tragedy.

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D4 Won

>>737455209
>slower/methodical combat
literally no one ever asked for that

>>737455263
>literally no one ever asked for that
literally everyone that is not an ADHD zoomer asked for this

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>>737454239
I played from December-February, when i started I had 120 hours.

>>737455305
sure thing, zoomie
The only people who would want that are people who were filtered by PoE lmao

>>737455902
Anon... poe1 players were literally crying and throwing a hissyfit because poe2 filtered them and was too hard

>>737455263
i asked for that
the most effective builds in this game buff one single skill and clear 2-3 screens in under a second so nothing can kill you, thats fucking boring

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>>737454239
Great game. I hated it so much that it finally broke my POE1 addiction. Been clean ever since. Thank you POE2

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>>737455209
I don't believe you. GGG never buffs things, especially not nu-GGG. Every single patch is always
>nerfed 80 different skills because why not
>nerfed an arbitrary selection of meta skills so hard that they'll never be played again
>increased monster damage and life by 15-25%, up to 40% in red maps
>added new map modifier: Fuck You. Its effect is "You have Chaos Innoculation"
>added new map modifier: Bricked. Its effect is "Your Skills cannot deal Damage"
>nerfed 20 unique items that never saw use anyway, you can make your items worse with a Divine Orb and a lapse in judgment
>incrementally improved art and sound

>played through till maps at launch
>haven't touched it since
Ill keep waiting till 1.0

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>>737456026
Jonathan, shouldn't you be working instead of trying to rewrite history?
How come you never did that livestream of you playing the game after you had your little melty on Zizaran's stream?

>>737454239
>1.5 years into Early Access
>still no swords or axes
>still missing half the classes

like genuinely what's going on here. GGG has to be insanely understaffed, right?

>>737456310
PoE1 fags lost their shit so much and spammed GGG like crazy when they first released the game and CoC was over the top OP and they nerfed it. PoE1 fags were so obnoxious about it that now GGG won't ever nerf a single thing during a patch again.
So just like poe1... poe2 is now just 95% of the playerbase using 1 out of 1-3 super broken builds that's 1000x better than everything else that does this >>737456143 and turns the game into another zoom zoom poe1 slop

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>>737456404

>>737455258
this but unironically. The only defense PoE players use is
>"D4 is e-easy, PoE is so much h-harder!"
>meanwhile they just copy paste whatever meta build there is for the current poe league

When the new diablo expansion launches, D4 will have better gearing, better combat, better animations, better bossing, and a better endgame that PoE 2 will have.

>>737455263
I asked for it bitch, sit down zoomie

POE2 just has no niche. TQ2 is shaping up to be a better one and done.
D4 laps it in pickup and play.
POE1 stomps it in autism

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>>737456505
have fun with it little diabloroono d4 bad

>>737456404
Keeping the game buy to play as long as possible + milking supporter packs

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>>737456404
Friendly reminder that Jonatroon said that 1.0 doesn't have to have all classes in it.

Diablogawds...won?!?!?!

>>737456505
>D4 will have better gearing, better combat, better animations, better bossing, and a better endgame that PoE 2 will have.
it already does

>>737456505
You don't understand
If the game doesn't waste 500 hours for a 0.00001% upgrade is a bad game with bad itemization

>>737456404
Im actually surprised
Imagine if they didnt scam people with $25 EA

>>737455247
you can't fix putrid dogshit, like what it was on release
making it like poe1 would be an improvement but the game is fundamentally dogshit and worthless

>>737456767
Lord of Hatred in less than 4 days, bro. Warlock is coming. Hail Blizzard. Hail our people.

>>737456404
jonathan is a narcissist, so it's not possible for ggg to scale up their output, because everything has to be bottlenecked through his ego-driven decision making
like most narcissists, he isn't stable and spirals into worse, more irrational narcissism with time
so the company's output actually declines as time goes on

>>737456464
I liked poe2 bc it wasn't poe1, and your making it seem like its sadly (as expected due to all the whining from poe1 niggers) turning into poe1 instead of doing its own thing.
I planned on returning when the story was complete bc the game was so good, and reminded me of a modern d2, but even more awesome, and now im scared i wont have the same game to come back to.
I also liked the rarity of uniques, made them feel properly epic.

>>737454239
>forgot about game
>posts about game
I guess you never forgot.

>>737457197
poop2 was shit
poop2 is still shit
poop2 will always be shit
sorry you have shit taste

I got tired of dealing bugs, glitches, loss of progression, etc. I'm anticipating it will be a good full release, but I have not been able to find joy in early access without an equal amount of frustration. The actual content that's there so far is extremely good. They just need to finish it and polish it.

did they refactor the core movement gameplay and boss encounter?
last time I played during a free weekend it was all rollslop

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Poe2 is simply the better game.

why is this game 120gb

PoE2 dosnt respect your time at all. Fuck that game. Im having so much more fun with Grim Dawn and its only three frickin dollars

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>chris wilson leaves
>a bunch of fat guys take over
>no one of them has any major idea
>make a new shitty fuckin title

>>737454326
random maps featuring random monsters dropping random loot is such dogshit archaic endgame design

>>737457367
Nope. It's still shit. They added a sprint that only activates after dodge rolling and you have the steering radius of a semi-truck while using it and fall to the ground and get swarmed if you get hit by a white mob. The community asked for movement speed and Jon gave them the most passive-aggressive and spiteful mechanic in return.

>>737456404
>>737457047
not a bad description
jonathan thought his game would be well received and he thought stupidly that poe1 was good because of him
when poe2 released and it was actual dogshit he realizes he never had any talent to begin with so lost motivation and also has no direction (since he doesn't know what he's doing)
so basically the team has no leader, and nobody motivating them
somebody needs to step in and axe him, but it would never happen because he's a raging narcissist and nobody wants to fire the guy who was on the original team

>>737457445
That's a great question :)

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Gotta be honest lads Comets in this game feel amazing
https://files.catbox.moe/oe8kjl.mkv

>>737457448
crazy how the bald retard was actually the only one who wasn't actually a retard.

Some of you are not ready to hear this but...
I prefer PoE 2.

>>737457197
>Ahhhh, I hate PoE. Why is the sequel to PoE like PoE?
Many such cases and I blame Jonathan's stupid pre-launch interviews.

>>737457695
1. Employment status
2. BMI

>>737457505
you unironically sound like a schizo. Is jonathon in the room with you right now? DId he tell you all of that?

poe2 was fucked the moment it came out after all those years supposedly in development and it barely had shit going for it

>>737457505
>when poe2 released and it was actual dogshit
It was better, but it filtered poe1 retards like you >>737455209
You literally cried because white mobs could kill you

>>737454239
PoE1 babies are the worst thing to happen to the iso-arpg genre. They think they are hardcore because they arent playing d3 but they are pretty much diablo 3 babies who like the same gameplay as d3 but simply like jerking each other off by sharing builds, a lot of them dont even make the builds themselves its just cookie cutter crap.

>>737457817
Heavily unemployed
Skinnysexy palemaxxed
6.7 inches
5 years ago
Bachelors of Science

If I lie enough about the game being hard, maybe it will come true.

>>737457917
Thank you and I respect you for answering. God bless. Nice dick.

>>737454239
Why does everyone despise this game so much? I put in like 50-60 hours a season until I get bored and then forget about it until the next season. Its fun.

I have not been keeping up with development. Are we getting holy skills and the templar in the next big update?

>>737457446
>PoE2 dosnt respect your time at all.
so... same as PoE1?
The real problem is how they keep on adding a league every x months to recover players, but by this point they've exhausted their creative juice, there's so much you can do in this genre.
Also they rely on other players and wiki too much, the game never evolved. Was a vendor recipe book too much to ask? There's no true feeling of progress because the game is trapped in its own monetization system.
Speaking of which, they are too involved in the game economy, to the detriment of the player.
These were people that loved D2 economy despite it being virtually untouched for 15 years.
Fucking bunch of retards

>>737457818
no but it's obvious from how he acts. sorry you bought his lies
>>737457840
did I? that's weird. I got through the campaign no problem, one shotted most bosses. the game is just dogshit, it's not fun, the gameplay is clunky and bad and all of the systems suck dick
it's like they took the worst aspects of poe1 and made it into a game
I actually prefer slow gameplay but not if the gameplay itself is complete dogshit
sorry you like slop

>>737458010
I want you to think of one league mechanic thats 7+ years old, and then a single class and ascendancy. You may have that, and only that much content every 4-7 months. Early access btw.

>>737458084
I got a lot of enjoyment out of 0.4; I'm just curious if anyone knows anything concrete.

>>737457994
its a gambling simulator so its like when the old people start shaking the machines in vegas

>>737457994
/v/ is full of poe purists who think poe 2 is the worst thing to ever happen and just wanted more of the first game, as limiting and boring as that is. It doesn't reflect the general opinion of the game.
I have thousands of hours playing hardcore in poe and think poe2 is more fun to play plus has way more potential with more updates. Imagine not being able to enjoy multiple ARPG's at the same time. Couldn't be me.

>>737458013
I didnt play PoE 1 dude. Im a gamerdad, my point was that PoE in general is for guys still in the first stage of their lives. Its not meant for real men with commitments and families.

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Ground loot?

>>737457994
>have a really good game
>devs constantly delay content updates to make game 2
>game 2 is shit
>head of the company makes a prerecorded youtube video saying he pulled all the devs off game 1 to work on game 2 but didn't realize that would result in game 1 not getting any work done on it
>takes a year to get an update to game 1
>game 2 crashes and burns repeatedly due to extremely poor balance and design decisions
>devs keep throwing money at game 2 instead of game 1

>>737454284
PoE1 is already ruined because of the support gem nerf of 3.15 and archnemesis going core.

>>737456464
wait so did they make the game less like poe by nerfing coc, or more like it by making things op? which is it?

>>737457497
>dodge roll into sprint bumper car movement
this is the funniest shit to me. i cant believe this dogshit mechanic made it into the game

>We want the elden ring audience
There is a reason why /vg/ calls it poo2

uh oh the /poeg/ sissies are here

>>737454284
But he made PoE 1 too

>>737459567
Jonathan was a code monkey on PoE1 until 3.15 (where the game went to shit)
Now that he's gone Mark and Octavian can make the game fun again

>>737459567
he wrote the engine systems. he didnt design the game

>>737458235
ggg doesn't ever make firm commitments or a substantive roadmap, so all we have to go on is the video they just released

please come to my thread >>>/vg/564431156
to circle jerk how great arpgs are before it is archived :(

>Diablo 4 expnsion drops on the 28th
>Includes multiple things people have been wanting for years
>Multiple system reworks
>GGG announces an announcement and will likely fumble yet another patch

It's like they're not eve trying

>>737455209
But that's not even true and you fags keep repeating it every thread for some reason.
When the early access launched I played whatever that lightning build was and before I even got to maps I was blasting the entire screen, except instead of zooming the walking speed is neutered and the map 5x in size from1 and 10x in more dead ends, just to waste your time.

Literally nobody is going to play this slog league after league

>>737459980
>called Diablo 4
>he's not even in the game
make it make sense...

>>737459980
You already made this post, are you an actual shill?

>>737460045
lilith is the new girl boss diablo.

>>737454239
Not forgotten, just skipping every other league like i used to do with poe1.

>>737459846
>>>/vm/2307838
post int he dead d4 gen

>>737460428
damn. I searched in two catalogs before posting...

>>737455209
They added poe1 league mechanics that shit out a gazillion monsters a second. Good luck doing your methodical timed-parry multi-skill combo play when you're going to be dead by the time you push all those buttons. The game's design feels schizophrenic at times.

>devs say PoE2 campaign is meant to be longer and slower
>everyone praises this
>anyone who complains gets told to go play poE1 or Diablo 4
>few months go by
>everyone is bitching about the long ass campaign

>>737461220
>everyone praises this
no one praises this
everyone hates campaigns in ARPGs
PoE1's campaign takes like 5 hours and people still complain it is too long

treating poe2 updates as Leagues/Seasons makes it forgettable. like shit i'm just testing this new class/weapon that FINALLY got added, john, i ain't gonna be grinding for the next 5 months see you again in half a year bro

>>737458397
PoE2 doesnt know what it wants to be, stop being disingenous. It has methodical dodging and combos but still has the lightspeed monster swarming of 1 which forces stale single shot builds, bypassing all the mechanics PoE2 introduces.

>>737461220
>>everyone is bitching about the long ass campaign
The issue isn't that it's long, it's that it's boring

>>737454239
I just want to play poe1. I don't want to play poe2. I didn't even make it to act 4 in this league, which was the only reason to play it

PoE2 just feels really slow, in the end its supposedly faster. Somehow being slow really reminds you you're wasting your life

>>737461220
I don't mind that it's long in a pure rpg/campaign way, but it is completely incompatible wit their league based reset philosophy.

>>737454239
Nah, shit is too abusive of my time, at least poe1, maybe 2 is better but it looks like they slowed shit down so it's probably worse.

>>737455209
yeah, the worst part is that PoE1 is still getting content updates so there was 0 reason for them to pull this bullshit on PoE2
just go play PoE1 if you want that, but alas we had to deal with vocal minorities who turned it into a shittier version of PoE1 but with dodge rolling

>>737454321
Its a ufamisim you retard

Vocal Minority problems.
> PoE2 has a better foundation than 1
>F2P retards don't like that it's technically not F2P
>Gameplay in general is brought down to a level that is more enjoyable for most players (you can actually see the enemies you are fighting instead of dusting them from 4 screens away)
>Game looks gorgeous

The only issue thus far is that they are going REALLY FUCKING SLOW, in part due to juggling both games, but still holy fuck hurry up already. They needed to >>737461386 treat PoE2 like a beta and not try to do the league bullshit, just work on the game and get it out there stop trying to milk two playerbases.

>PoE2 should be slower than PoE1
>Monsters still move at light speed and deal 900% of your health bar with a basic attack

>>737461954
>>Gameplay in general is brought down to a level that is more enjoyable for most players (you can actually see the enemies you are fighting instead of dusting them from 4 screens away)
>t.campaign only dadgamer

>>737462273
I've played every "league" so far and have hit 95 on at least one character in each, with 5 in the initial release, and have always completed the so called endgame of Arbiter and if I feel like it the max difficulty league bosses, although there isn't much point. As other anons have said the game does increase in speed greatly, but it keeps things within the realm of not being batshit insane. You can still easily delete a screen of mobs with a single click but you are kept within a sanity loss preventing speed limit.

No anon, running infinite ledge while flame dashing at mach 4 as a level 32 is not fun, it's pointless.

>>737461954
all they had to do was make an HD patch for POE1, add the new skill system + meta gems, and remove gem levels and you would have the exact same game but better.

>>737462597
>, add the new skill system
The new skill system is an objective downgrade though

>>737462597
1 legitimately has too much garbage stapled on to it at this point, they needed to clean off the table and start again. That said, the initial league mechanics they built into the base launch were underwhelming but the ones they've added in patches as new leagues have been more substantial.

>>737461954
>foundation is better
it really isn't. The damage calculation mechanics, conversion, itemization, gem system, ascendancies, passive tree, etc. Are all far worse. The only thing better is the graphics

>>737454239
it is kinda crazy that people pay to be beta testers and proto devs

>>737462467
>infinite ledge while flame dashing at mach 4 as a level 32 is not fun, it's pointless
this tells me you never played poe1 and have no idea what you're talking about

>>737462665
I seem to be alone in despising the abyss. I like the way it looks, everything else I hate.

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>players found damage over time hard to understand because the tooltips don't really tell you how they scale
>we developed a new tooltip system to help explain complicated mechanics much better
>also we gutted damage over time scaling and removed all the stats associated with it so now ever dot is the same and you increase your damage like D4 by just making your hit number bigger :)

>>737462748
PoE2 abyss is one mechanic I wouldn't mind being backported
Fuck chasing those fucking pits around in circles in PoE1

>>737461802
poe2 was never difficult. It was far more op and faceroll during 0.1 than it is now. Not only did you not play to end game in 0.1, you didn't play to end game in 0.4 and are basing your opinions on trite contrarianist positions from people who play the campaign. Your the worst kind of normie retard latching on to poe2 when you don't even understand arpgs. Get the fuck out of our genre you faggot. Go play fortnite and some eldenslop

>the only criticism is that the game was "too hard for poe1 players"
this is a schizophrenic alternate reality that survives purely by being constantly repeated and I'm sick of hearing people continue to repeat it with such smug confidence. Why does the debate between these two games have so many narratives that seem like they were hatched in complete isolation from reality? Does anyone remember when Ziz was having a really bad time in campaign during 0.2 and there was a subset of retards on the internet convinced that he could have just disenchanted rares for regal shards to turn the whole thing around? I felt like I was taking fucking crazy pills

>>737461954
>Gameplay in general is brought down to a level that is more enjoyable for most players (you can actually see the enemies you are fighting instead of dusting them from 4 screens away)
This is kind of a stretch. Doing combos and getting stunned every time a leaf blows past your character is charming in Act 1 but it gets old really fast in my opinion, and this is corroborated by the fact that the most popular builds every league are always 1-button builds that let you bypass the combo whackamole gameplay. Also, PoE1 only becomes "blowing up the entire map from 4 screens away" (god, this is another one, i'm so sick of hearing it) when you've invested a bajillion divs into your character and are balls deep in late-game maps, and at that level of investment, PoE2 devolves into the SAME THING ANYWAY

>>737462721
I see you can't take a joke, I can't expect to have any sort of meaningful discussion with you.

>>737462748
I liked the idea of abyss infested maps, it wasn't implemented very well at all but the idea that one singular league mechanic can take over and transform an entire map node was a cool idea. The little depths mini dungeons were also a neat idea but they had a single layout and that was pretty lame.

>>737462856
being histrionic and exaggerating how poe1 plays is not a "joke". You literally believe campaign speed to be too fast because youre a low iq retard. you don't belong playing arpgs you zoom zoom. Go play some theme park walking simulator if that's what you like

>>737462856
I dislike that the boss key from abyssal depths is immediately worthless, farming those rings also sucks. I like abyss crafting, but that's about it. If there was a set drop chance for omens of light i would be mroe okay with it. But it's all about tracking the fart clouds and I don't want to play that game.

>>737463009
No one has to exaggerate how poe1 plays anon, we know how fast it is, we know how quickly it ramps up, and we know that it's only fun for a select portion of the playerbase. PoE1 is too fast at all levels and it's egregious at maps and beyond. PoE2 starts at a lower speed and ramps up at the same rate, but to a lower max speed.

It's important to know that "lower" doesn't mean "slow", it's still screen clearing via 1 button presses, it's just not mashing flame dash while your aoes are crossing state lines to delete everything on the map.

>>737463228
poe2 never ramps up at all. Attack speed and movement speed are intentionally kept difficult to come by. The game feels like shit. No one who likes arpgs shares your view, and the cratering playerbase for poo2 demonstrates that

My issues with PoE 2:
>tries to not be poe 1 but ends up with the same brainless 1 button zoom zoom builds
>total DOGSHIT itemization
>going through the acts is painful because of the total DOGSHIT itemization and every single fucking enemy being faster than you
>you're slow which is fine cause poe 1 was retarded but why the fuck are all the mobs on steroids and end up on your face before you can cast anything?

>>737463228
>it's just not mashing flame dash while your aoes are crossing state lines to delete everything on the map.
there it is again
you know flame dash has a cooldown and doesn't kill mobs by itself right. You can say you meant it as a joke but the specificity of saying that level 32 characters repeatedly run ledge with flame dash for some reason means you don't know what you're talking about

>we know how fast it is, we know how quickly it ramps up, and we know that it's only fun for a select portion of the playerbase
no, we don't. Those are things that YOU keep saying

>>737463580
>poe2 never ramps up at all.
This is the intelligence level of a PoE2 hater.

>>737463634
>total DOGSHIT itemization
I don't understand why they didn't just leave essences the way they were in PoE1. It solved the whole "getting stuck with a shit weapon forever during campaign" problem so elegantly

>>737463636
We get it, you have an autistic connection to poe1, admit out loud that poe2 isn't for you but it is for other people and then move on with your life. You don't need to spend hours every day personally offended that people like and look forward to playing poe2.

Or you know it's only $20 just buy it and try it.

>>737456960
How, in the whole wide motherfucking, Godamned internet, including jewtube and steam forums, how can you be the only other person who understands this ?
How are people so retarded and cannot fathom that this game is fundamentally dogshit and it cannot be fixed unless you make it from scratch again.

>don't unlock all skill gems until like level 70
what the fuck is their problem

>>737463641
the game plays like slow shit, bro, sorry to tell you. Zoom zooms are pathetic. It's like hearing so cod player tell you how good the 10th game in the series is compared to fucking quake live or some shit. You people are insufferable.

>>737463723
>admit out loud that poe2 isn't for you but it is for other people and then move on with your life
Ok. Done. That's not the problem though. I don't really like when people tell lies on the internet about things they know nothing about, especially when they're really smug about it. Your PoE1 experience is watching youtube videos of endgame builds clearing the screen and your attempts to describe PoE1 gameplay amount to "running ledge at mach 4 with flame dash at level 32". You don't know anything you're talking about and yet for some reason you've decidedly taken a side in an argument that you have no reason to even have an opinion about because I guess there's some vague notion that "slow = better" so you have to defend one game that you don't play vs another game that you don't play

>>737463791
many people see it. That's why it opened to 500k+ and now has like 200k players at most. All of the remaining casuals were shitting their pants with fomo at 0.4 as well because they couldnt make good enough builds to do temple and were crashing the fuck out. Courting normie rollslop players was a massive mistake

>>737463954
>and now has like 200k players at most
So it has more players than poe1?

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Let me preface with pic related. Been playing since closed beta. My opinion is more important than 99% of you.
PoE1 is cool but its a solved game and every league is pretty samey at this point. Some are good, some suck, but its still "solved". Very little "new" things. I think its too zoomy at the high end. Mid-game feels like a drag until your build comes online - being a day 1 nolifer makes this much much easier to overcome.
PoE2 is slower, different, and currently not ready. It started as dogshit and has gotten better every league/patch. Builds feel samey from lvl 40ish till 90ish. Most of the "late" skills suck ass. most of the "end game" builds don't feel "end game". The gap between "meh I'm clearing T16's, I guess" to "fuck yeah i'm insta clearing shit" is astronomically larger in PoE2 than 1. Last league the main loot mechanic was technically an exploit but they wouldn't have dared fix it. People were stacking mirrors on a couple hours of gameplay (once they set up their temple). The funnest builds are almost as good as a decent poe1 build. The other 95% of builds feel terrible. I like the new atlas and once it has lots of shit going on, like tempests and influence zones, etc; it'll be really cool. But for now its kinda shit. Game is taking WAY too long to get to 1.0. But I wouldn't definitely say it'll be "good" when 1.0 hits.

>>737464023
nope. if that were true, they wouldn't have scrambled so hard to push the release schedule back and reintegrate more consistent poe1 leagues

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>>737464136
>nope. if that were true
which number is bigger?

>>737464056
poe2 is already solved as well. Like you said, there's a mountain of garbage and then there's blood mage and ranged builds. Nothing in poe2 is intriguing at all from an itemization or build making perspective. It's cookie cutter for retards

>>737463954
I don't know, I hope you are right but I have heard all manner of excuses and copes.
Maybe I'm getting ragebaited by YouTube or something.

>>737455209
>poe1 BABIES cried like crazy because the game was too hard for them
lol
lmao
there's is nothing in poe2 that is harder than poe1
it has no depth at all

>>737464212
retard

>>737464180
poe1 has far more people playing standalone since it's people that played since beta. Everyone that were late joiners in poe2 are steamies

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>>737464282
>poe1 has far more people playing standalone
nice cope

>>737456404
they need to port over 20000 MTX items from PoE1 to 2 because retards that wont even play 2 cried about it

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>there's is nothing in poe2 that is harder than poe1
why is this poe1 hardcore veteran so scared then :)

>>737464238
just look at how low the viewer counts are on these random poe2 streamer channels. They get basically no traction. They had to secretly hire the toxicly positive tri to shill constantly, and still get no traction. reddit community is nonexistent for poe2. The game is coasting on ea bux and no one else is buying in. They had to do two free weekends the last two seasons. Wonder why?

Am I crazy or is the combat itself not really that important in this type of game anyway? The things that I consider fun about this genre are stuff like
>making a build
>making gearing choices
>progression through the atlas
>watching character become stronger
>integrating new tools into character as he levels up
>seeing all the moving parts of my build gradually coming together
Honestly I wonder if a game like PoE that was just some kind of autobattler or cookie clicker would be as fun as it sounds in my head

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>>737464268
right back at ya

>>737454239
>come up with something you never think about

>>737456505
Watch this: D4 bad, D4 dogshit

>>737464374
Most people play it like smelly fucktards and copy builds people make and just want to go zoomzoom wahoo. Its a genre for fucking idiots usually honestly

I used to play a lot of poe years ago but got tired of the game getting more and more zoomey and power creepey to the point where you either oneshot everything at sonic speed or everything oneshot you from offscreen because only a few select meta builds could stack enough survivability while still doing enough damage. The short leagues and base game being turned into a garbage dump also got tiresome.
Is the new game any better?

>>737463791
People cannot fathom because its too sad to consider; if PoE2 is un-salvagable, and you take for granted that Poe1's halcyon days are over because of Poe2, then its ogre. And then what?
When Fangs of Asterkam comes out in 2030 you'll see a lot more people able to say say Poe2 is un-salvageable.

>>737464578
Maybe PoE1 players can swap to that and stop crying that 2 isn't a carbon copy of 1. It's like the WoW disease, WoW players only want to play WoW and hate everything else, if Blizzard made a WoW2 they'd hate it just because their brains are addled and calcified.

>I-it's too slow!

>>737464374
The combat needs to be good enough to make the moment to moment gameplay not feel pointless, and simple is not the same thing as bad. It's one of the things PoE1 does right compared to most of the subgenre.
I've played several attempts by people to copy just the building and progression in an idle game and it ends up feeling like shit without the movement and reactions that you're making when playing the actual game. It takes the game out of the game.

>>737464578
grim yawn is shit bro

>>737464735
>moment to moment gameplay
Oh, the mask is off now.

>>737464735
there's just something incredibly satisfying about stutter stepping and dashing out of the way of bullet hells while blowing up screens of mobs. No other game really has that feel in the way poe does in end game. I can see why the zoom zooms don't like it because they want to be able to zone out and just not have to think about dodging or managing flasks/positioning on bosses which is trivial in poo2

>>737464368
Yeah that is true, you have a point there.

>>737464578
Yeah that is true. I guess it is a pretty hard pill to swallow.

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>>737464368
>muh reddit
>muh ecelebs

>>737464874
>>737464928
extremely organic

>>737464946
if people were interested in the game, there'd be organic discussion on the internet. But there isn't. We have a random /v/ thread a week prior to a league launch (shilling), and then literally nothing about it at all. No one fucking likes it. No one is talking about it. There aren't threads in the catalogue, there isn't organic discussion on reddit, and half the threads on steam are complaints

It's looking bright doombros

>>737465028
>same guy double posts instead of double replying in a single post
oh no !

>>737465249
If people are interested in the game, more people will be playing it as evidenced by >>737464180

>>737461357
People hate D2's campaign???
Was the diablo 2 I played not the same one everyone else played??? Why the fuck did people play it if they didn't like it??

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>>737465390
oh no! that sucks lil bro

>>737465028
Lol, the absolute state of Poe 2 retards.
I didn't see the second post until after replying moron. Sry for wasting the important 4chins resources.

>>737465475
>look at all the these numbers, just not the actual player count!
lol
lmao

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>>737465390
oh nooooooes!

>>737461220
I wouldn't care if once you got the extra skill points on your account once you never had to again regardless of league. I just don't want to do the extra quests on the 15th character.

>>737464735
>I've played several attempts by people to copy just the building and progression in an idle game and it ends up feeling like shit without the movement and reactions that you're making when playing the actual game.
Do you have any examples of this? To be honest I was thinking of trying to make a small game like this and it'd be good to see why it doesn't actually work in practice

>>737454239
I've never played either POE game but Chris Wilson seems like a cool guy based on his youtube videos, despite seemingly being incapable of showing human emotion

PoE2 is a lot better than PoE1 in many ways, but in their attempt to scale back and cut the fat on complexity, I think they bit off a bit too much. Itemization was fun when we had homo omens and complex crafting, but that only really felt good because it gave us power that the tree is currently really lacking. Skills, and especially ascendancies, need a big power boost. Life scaling needs to exist in some way. Build variety is not great, but it's getting better and only needs more classes to continue to

I started playing poe1 in scourge so I'm not what everyone would consider an oldhead. I really like the game, but I've had major gripes with its combat and progression systems for a long time that I chalk up to me just not preferring them. Poe2 does those things well, and is overall a game I get far more hours of every league. I can't help but feel the hate for 2 is extremely performative and/or autistic.

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crafting in poe2 be like

>>737456404
theyre on their second monthly vacation. please be patient.

>>737465905
>I can't help but feel the hate for 2 is extremely performative and/or autistic.
I don't vehemently hate the game or anything but I always get baited into these arguments by people like >>737455209

>>737455209
>>737455263
The game was absolutely fine at launch, it was just GGG's niggger decisions to focus on things absolutely no one wanted or liked
>GGG sees players are relying on single skills to clear or boss and optionally using combos because combos are clunky and weak
>Nerf the fuck out of strong single skills
>Barely buff combos
>Players complain Blue Life OP
>Don't nerf blue life at all, give armor love tap
>Literally no one has problems with the manawhore ascendancy
>Cripple her
>Ruin concoctions for no reason
>players like new gameplay but hate how slow travel is
>Add a sprint (20% movespeed out of combat basically) instead of just adding shoe implicit or out of combat movespeed
One could almost swear that GGG hates their players

Also, though this was fucking retarded of them
>Establish routine of content, class (because druid was too difficult to implement on time), content (act), class (because druid was still too difficult to implement on time), and new leaks for 0.5 show that we're getting a new class instead of more content
Lazy niggers I think