Aerith lives and is added to the new dissidia - the good timeline
>>737569115Aerith is basically alive in OGs end anyway. You see her hand reach out to Cloud
I want part 3 to continue like she never died and it's not acknowledged until the ending.
>>737569115she became a streamer after her role in FFVII ended
Will you save her in XIV?
>>737569836Briana got fat :(
>>737569836Nah, she is moving to skyrim to rest, settle down with lydia, zack and the dragonborn.
>>737570250Nothing that some gym and squats solves it.
>>737570250Briana sitting her fat ass on my face
>>737570096The trailer also talks about the promised land
>>737570594she' even using the fat homer dress lol
>>737570760She stalks here so isnt a surprise/v/ loves you bri, but get fit
>>737571021she does? how do you know?
>>737571021Proof?
>>737569115In 10 years AI will make a remake with Aerith's big ass
>>737571846I love her butt
>>737571484i wonder what happened
she's in good hands
>>737569352Shippers don't care about that, they want her to be alive so her and Cloud can be a couple. The funny thing is this desire is what's keeping her in an unliving purgatory where she exists in the lifestream but is forever miserable because she needs to keep saving the world by interfering with Sephiroth related problems.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdsYJtz7II#t=1394
>>737569115Street whoreSup Aerithschizo
>>737572409Aerith wants to live and escape her fate.
>>737573302
I post atleast 1 pic in every aerith threadI wish I had a warm, nurturing whimsical wife who tries to cheer me up
TIKTOK Aerisfags, leaks are out and the whore stays dead
My wife! I've missed her so much
Do you have another favorite date? Iow quality vid
I like this version a lothttps://youtu.be/gK7v5F2We0I
It seems Nojima is finally tired of your lies aerisfags, brace yourselves because he's gonna be ruthless about Tifa's superiority in the next game
>>737574350
>>737573805>silverwield leaks
>>737573805
>>737574510hehe
What's your favorite EC outfit? Kainerith is up there for me.
>>737574909Sex demon
>>737572409>schizobabbleCloud never gets with Tifa, btw
I WILL save her. The changes are not for nothing.
>>737574909Garnetrith
>>737574069Nanaki, I also like him in their beach date. He's clearly a good boy and they love him.
Part 3 Tifa song incoming aerisfags, while your girl stays dead.
>>737572608>>737573805
>tifapaki is here
>>737574909Terraerith was so peak and hot.
Where the hell is my Yunaerith square!
>>737573302Escaping her fate is being free of Sephiroth's machinations and being able to rest
>>737575312https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGj3YEP03Vs#t=1331
Aerith ball
>>737569115Aeris is a 10 gil back alley cum dumpster.At least Tifa was a high class hooker that fucked crime lords.
I'll finally save her in part 3 and marry her.
>>737576719Lol noEven if you go my whore memes Tifa gets the short end of the stick.Aerith whored out on the upperplate for good money while tifa sluted out in dirty slums
What would be Aerith's magical girl outfit and why does this turn me on?
>>737576813She's so cute and playful. Next she should forcefully kiss me, haha
>>737573894Zeldaerith is peak. And my wife.
>>737576570Holy retard
How soon will we get her back? My guess is after the lifestream we start to see her again.
>>737577478We won't see her the whole game but there will be a montage of her making out with her boyfriend Zack just for you.
>>737577619>he thinks square will cuck the player character/MCeven they aren't that retarded
>>737577208>can't refute anything>"y-you're a retard!!"every time
They already said this is ending in Advent Children with CT happy married life, give up now aerisfags.
>>737576351>pakiyou are brown
>>737577754literally nothing in NPTK implies her being sad about her eternal battle about sephiroth. It's all about wishing to live a normal girls life. Now stop being a retard
Will square dare?
>>737577871They have to let me kiss my wife.
Aeris
>>737577854>It's all about wishing to live a normal girls lifeor reuniting in the Lifestream rather than being cosigned into oblivion. Strange how we get to see the Avalanche crew near the end of the cutscene when they're dead, huh?
>>737574436Poor guy won't ever escape this discussion. Why doesn't he just leave xitter?
>>737577834I live in a homogenous white country though
I just want to finally be happy with her in part 3. There's no way square fucks me over after 30 years of waiting and teasing.
>>737578103Which lyric is about that?
>>737578587see >>737572409, you can't reunite with anyone when everything is oblivion
>>737578554There is always a chance - and it boils down to what does SE think will make them more money.I think a headline of Aerith living is too big to pass up on
>>737579007the surest way to kill FF7 as a brand is to make the events of the original game inconsequential
This >>737573302 specifically talks about NPTK. You are making arguments from nothing
>>737579157Ah yes FFX died when Tidus reunited with Yuna in X-2
Why does my beautiful wife make people so angry?
>>737579163>too scared to quote who they're talking toSee >>737572409. Also see >>737578103. What are they going to do, dragonball everyone that died back to life?
>>737579239correct
>>737569115
>>737579378Maybe just the one person whose loss makes the MC extremely miserable in every sequel and spinoff?
>>737579378I forgot to tag you relax also see >>737573302>>737579163>everyonethey don't matter. Saving Aerith was the biggest request since forever
Any chance we get an Aerith KH plush? Her crisis core one is sold out everywhere.
>>737579453I'm not saying I liked it, but FFX's popularity or brand wasn't effected by it at all.
>>737579523>Maybe just the one person whose loss makes the MC extremely miserableWhy stop there? Seems silly to save just Aerith when Avalanche's actions helped kill tons of people in Midgar. Or is Cloud just a selfish prick who can only think of his suffering?
>>737579564>they don't matterSee >>737579707, thanks for verifying that it's not Cloud that's selfish, but the shippers who are.
>>737579707Cloud is selfish about his wants, Zack is the selfless hero. That's why Zack would be get over Aerith's death but Cloud can't get over it.
>>737579627>FFX's popularity or brand wasn't effected by it at all>I'm not saying I liked it
>>737579576How about a FFT Aerith plushie
>>737573805how the fuck do people knows the plot of a fucking game that will be out in late 2027?
>>737579803Anon these stories are also made for fans. Barely anyone cares if wedge lives or not. Pretending this is comparable to Aerith is just retarded
Aerith
>>737579984By saying bullshitAlthough I know some real spoilers that have to do with the age ratings tests - nothing major tho
>>737579913Would be cute too.
Endgame.
>>737577705Anon, about that...
>>737579876>Sakaguchi's mom passes away>his grief lingers for years and the way he tries to deal with it is to make it a theme in FF7>decades later other devs decide the best way to expand the series is to erase that drama entirelyImagine shitting on the narrative and artistic expression of something just because you want two characters to be shipped together
Cloud and Tifa both belong to Aerith.
>>737580007>32.6% of 89 people
>>737580305People ship and will ship cloud and aerith regardless. It's more to do with Aerith herself. And you still tackle the themes just with a more positive outcome. Dangling Aerith's survival infront of the fans and taking it away is a way worse decision. But of course you never gave a fuck about the heroine anyway and just wanked to tifa
>>737580572Now look at what happened or was implied for the options that were ranked even lower in that poll
>>737579707The only characters that matter are the special dindus that comprise the party. You may as well not factor anyone else in as a real person at all. They don't even look real. There's a hilarious inconsistency even down to the way they dress. They use very basic simple models for NPCs that are simply not important enough to be real. They literally are not real to the developers. There's like 20 people in any FF game who actually matter. Everyone else may as well not exist and what happens to them is as irrelevant to the cast as it is to the writers.
>>737580692>It's more to do with Aerith herselfSee >>737572409 . If it was about Aerith then people would accept her death gracefully. Instead we got people demanding that only she have her death reversed simply because omg her and Cloud need to be happy together forever omg
>>737580294Yuna got cucked where exactly? If anything tidus had to watch her kiss seymour
>>737580871No. Aerith's death is a tragedy. If you wish for it to happen you already failed to connect with one of the main characters from the game and just selfishly want her to die for the sake of your shipper reaasons
>>737580776Out of the 8 billion or so people on this planet what percentage do you think are skilled or have the vision to create a game like FF7? Trillions of flies have eaten shit so it must be good, etc.
>>737580305So it's ok for Cloud to continue being unhappy and bitter because you don't like a pairing?They've had 30 years of being miserable. Kitase says he wants a happy ending this time. Don't worry, you'll still see miserable Cloud in part 3.
>>737581029Tragedies happen every day, the point is you can't just hop into a time machine and make them not happen. If the idea is to just erase whatever thing makes you sad instead of dealing with it that makes you delusional.
I'll save Aerith.
>>737581103Who says I don't like a pairing? The point here is that people who want a specific pairing want someone to be resurrected for that specific purpose despite the theme of the game being born from Sakaguchi's attempt to deal with someone passing away. Bringing them back to lfe essentially spits in the face of that.
>>737580924Yuna cucks Tidus in the novel and is on her way to cuck him again in X-3 (They'll stop Yuna and Kurgum before it's going to get to that though, but we need the melodrama.).
>>737581174So you should want tragedies to happen just so you gain life experience? lmao. Obviously everyone wants to prevent a tragedy not cope with it
>>737581103Well, Kitase did say not everything will be happiness and that the ending will feel earned.
>>737581613>So you should want tragedies to happen just so you gain life experience?Your words, not mine. Do you understand the point that yes tragedies happening is sad and unfortunate but thinking the way to deal with them is to pretend they never happened or change reality is delusional?
>>737581471Not only that Yuna becomes Jenova because she blames herself for Tidus deaths, including the one his head became a soccer ball
I'm hearing there's a ff panel? Any news?
>>737569115>to the new dissidiaFuck I already forgot about it. Played it the first day for like 8 matchesIt's so fucking braindead boring
i was lookinforward to uematsus only track from rebirth but he phoned it intbf i dont think he was ever legendary when it comes to vocal tracks. all the tracks i like from him are instrumental
>>737581931Please, don't mix things up with your flights of fancy. I'm talking serious stuff here, that is already difficult and confusing to grasp, since the novel is intentionally obscuring and most don't realize, that Jolt is actually Ifarnal and the latter only knew one method to create a new Fayth he could've done with Yuna. Also that Beckoning has nothing to do with that in particular.
>>737581847If you were dangled the possibility of preventing your girlfriends death what would you think? Would you want to save her with all your heart or would you be angry that you won't experience a lifelesson in tragedy so you will hope she dies again.Which is the more human response to the situation and which might be poisoned by some other motives?
Reminder that both Tifa and Aerith are canonically prostitutes in the setting:>Aerith is a "flower girl," which is slang for a whore.>Tifa is stated to be "selling manju" which is old Japanese slang for an affordable hooker.Plus pic related.
>>737582690In case you need even more.
>>737582594>If you were dangled the possibility of preventing your girlfriends death what would you think?I would think the guy offering me that possibility being the same guy that killed her in the first place shouldn't be trusted since that's the actual situation we're talking about, never mind that he literally just did it/allowed it to happen again anyway.
>>737582690>>737582758If they're peak whores imagine the sluts Don Corneo deflowers and breedsThe 2 who don't get picked are gangbanged by his men, Sector 7 slums has an abundance of 10/10s, maybe on a bad day the trio can only fish for solid 8s
If she turns out like her mother she's going to turn into a really hot milf.
Square I need more Aerith.
>>737582817You are missing the point.The person presenting you that is the developer. It already started when you killed the manifestation of destiny itself. Everyone thought about Aerith in that moment. It was a message to the player - he was told to have hope. It might be for naught in the end sure. But the dev is also aware that will make the player very angry unless some compensation is made. Here is a thought for you: The people wishing for Aerith to live the most are the same people who were the most impacted by her death in the original game. They are the people who properly connected with the developers implementation of tragedy in OG. Not you who wish to reexperience it
>>737574436How does he feel when every innocuous post attracts shippers? Does he deserve the mentally ill he attracts?
My tomodachi Aerith is kinda goofy. Anyone know how to import some face paints in emulator
>>737583335>You are missing the pointSays the guy ignoring my point so they can be delusional about their desires>you killed the manifestation of destiny itselfAnd now Cloud is having schizophrenic visions of an Aerith only he can see while Sephiroth encourages him to defy destiny alongside him. >The people wishing for Aerith to live the most are the same people who were the most impacted by her death in the original game. They are the people who properly connected with the developers implementation of tragedy in OGCorrect, you're supposed to experience that feeling of tragedy, not it be a temporary thing that goes away because that's how real life works.
>>737579707I'm just following the story and the hints they left, man. I wanted a straight remake and didn't ask for the possibility of saving Aerith, they are the ones who have been teasing it for two games.And I can tell you that if all of that leads to nothing I'm going to be very pissed.I don't understand how someone that actually cares about the story would be ok with everything being for nothing.
>>737569115Did you bodyguard simp for her in game
>>737583875Again missing the point. I'm looking at it objectively. You are just inserting your own headcanon and making zero logical arguments, just shipper based retardation. >Correct, you're supposed to experience that feeling of tragedy, not it be a temporary thing that goes away because that's how real life works.Good, now reread the sentence you quoted for that and try to understand it
>>737584096>I'm just following the story and the hints they left, man. I wanted a straight remake and didn't ask for the possibility of saving Aerith, they are the ones who have been teasing it for two games.see >>737572409>if all of that leads to nothing I'm going to be very pissedDisappointment is a fact of life that mature people learn to deal with.>I don't understand how someone that actually cares about the story would be ok with everything being for nothingIf Sephiroth is finished for good or is changed for the better than it won't be for nothing.
>>737583875Do you defeat harbingers of fate in real life while throwing one liners like these, friend?
>>737584258>reread the sentence you quoted for that and try to understand itI already understood it. The fact that I'm rebuking it is because the other guy wishes for the tragedy to simply be erased, which is what a petulant child cries out when they don't get their way instead of understanding and dealing with reality.
>>737584294>Everything would be great if they followed MY specific idea of what would make the characters happy instead of the reunion they're hinting atYeah, seems to me dealing with disappointment is a lesson that's coming your way.
>>737584372Nope, I simply one shot them and turn my back while they fall apart in two halves
>>737574909Can't decide, but she looked very hot here.
>>737569115She's too cute
>>737584571>Everything would be great if they followed MY specific idea of what would make the characters happyTippy toppest tier of irony there buddy. >seems to me dealing with disappointment is a lesson that's coming your wayAlready dealt with that when Remake released.
>>737584294Oh there will be disappointment for a sizable group, possibly with your inclusion, lol.
>>737581103I can't wait to see Cloud in a wheelchair drooling out his mouth then locking in to Omnislash Sephiroth.
>>737585006Hey, I wanted an actual remake instead of a sequel, but you know what? I got over it, and now I want them to deliver on what they've been hinting at instead of falling on "yeah, it's exactly the same with pointless stuff added."
>>737585207>now I want them to deliver on what they've been hinting atThey will, see >>737572409
>>737585312Please stop shilling your video and pay attention to the game.But I'm glad the story will catch you by surprise so you can experience the unknown.
>>737585474>pay attention to the gameIronic considering everything that's happening so far is Sephiroth going though the motions of the OG and they only way for Cloud to "defy destiny" like Sephiroth asks is to "save" her
>>737576654>I'll stop completely shutting you out guys.>BTW, we are still only childhood friends one year later.Great ending, lol.And btw, I do like the message of Cloud learning to appreciate life and be less depressed in the OG, but the part of being in a relationship with Tifa? In your imagination. And that's why you want the ending unchanged. Because you headcanoned a happy ending that was never real, but you don't want it taken from you.
>>737585781>your imaginationYes because my imagination is an official DVD release from S-E themselves https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1693875/
>>737586068same dvd release that had Cloud wishing to reunite with Aerith again lel
>>737586172So why didn't he? He could join the lifestream at any time if he wanted to.
>>737586304He did and Aerith wanted him to live instead.
>>737586574>He didHe didn't, if he did AC wouldn't even exist
>>737586679He did. AC is a fabrication that was made to ensure they get to sell more stories of ff7 characters. And he joins the lifestream there too wishing to die
>>737586304Because, as you correctly identified, the OG is about dealing with disappointment and making the best of a bad situation. Cloud said it himself, he had to continue living for those who died. The difference is the developers saw this as a bittersweet sad ending, but your mind couldn't cope with that and you turned it into a happy ending, even if momentarily "delayed".Aerith didn't want him to die. The whole reason she chooses to go along with the script in Rebirth is because she doesn't want him to die, even if she still has to die to achieve this. The one who wants to defy fate, the one you should identify with and root for is not Aerith, but Cloud. Aerith should be the one you want to protect, if you are connecting with his feelings. Not your made up "Cloud and Tifa happily ever after" headcanon.
>>737574069Red I guess since his has actual story importance, but it's still feels out of place compared to Aerith's
>>737586775>AC is a fabricationprove it without resorting to headcanon
>>737586642Love it. Artist captured the eyes. Everyone bitches its not a remake but after playing FF7 20 times over the decade Im pretty pumped that I have no idea if we save her or not.
>>737586879>your mind couldn't cope with that and you turned it into a happy endingYour words, not mine. I literally called her death a tragedy so seeing her face at the end of the game was just as bittersweet for me as you say.>Aerith didn't want him to dieAnd now she's stuck in this cycle where Sephiroth keeps killing her over and over because people wank themselves off at the idea of Aerith being revived.
>>737587138>And now she's stuck in this cycle where Sephiroth keeps killing her over and over because people wank themselves off at the idea of Aerith being revived.That's why we are saving her duh
News have slowed down consider. Square needs to release something about part 3, how behind schedule do they have to be to not deliver a title?
>>737579879No one talks or cares about this outside of memes. Might as well not exist
>>737587175She wouldn't need saving if FF7 ended where it did. Again, the only reason she's enduring this continual suffering is people are in love with the idea of saving her instead of accepting her death.
>>737587296agreed
>>737587138See how you didn't deny that in your mind the compilation ends with Cloud and Tifa happily ever after after Aerith delayed their happiness with her death?If you actually understood the ending square gave them, you would want it changed, lol, but your headcanons blind you.Anyway, the director himself considers the OG a sad ending, and wants something different this time. It's just how it is.
>>737587313That's just your headcanon thinking ff7 is infinitely repeated. While Remake is just a sequel where you get to save Aerith
That is one of my wives
>>737587429>See how you didn't deny that in your mind the compilation ends with Cloud and Tifa happily ever after after Aerith delayed their happiness with her deathThis is your sticking point more than mine. If you're so upset about it then tell S-E to change the narrative.
>>737587603That ending never happened, that's the point lol
>>737587468>That's just your headcanon thinking ff7 is infinitely repeatedThat's what S-E is saying by making Remake and Rebirth
Aerith should fall in love with me.
>>737587625>If you're so upset about it then tell S-E to change the narrative.
>>737587584What idiot switched their outfits. Aerith is vanille for sure
>>737587603>behind every "i'm ok with all the changes as long as Aerith stays dead", "we have to learn to deal with her loss", "Cloud matures more from her death" there's mountains of headcanon of Cloud and Tifa fucking like rabbits the moment the camera turns off.Everytime, lol. Just admit you are in for your ship and not the story they've presented, both in OG and Retrilogy, and move on.
Would you serve queen aerith?
>>737587875My thoughts exactly
>>737587929There's no shipping here. S-E/the devs could come out and say "Cloud actually never liked Tifa and actively despises her to this day" and I'd accept that as canon because S-E/the devs are in charge of that no matter what anyone thinks. You seem way more invested into shipping than I am.
>>737587932I would swear fealty and become her eternal knight in an instant.
>>737588165Devs already said tifa is still jealous of cloud and aerith in AC. I hope you love itt
>>737588165My friend, you are the one who thinks that's the narrative. I recognize they left Cloud single and slightly less miserable after AC, and accepted the ending because it's what we had.Now they opened the door to the possibility of actual happiness but you resist in favor of the story you wrote in your head.
>>737588315And Aeris complained about Zack being a ladies man but still wrote him 89 letters while he was missing. Women, huh?
>>737588439lmfao, you actually don't understand the point of their first loves, huh
>>737588439Yes tifa and barret raising marelene together and tifa seeking refuge in his arms was pretty peak
>>737588353>you are the one who thinks that's the narrativeAll I did was post official S-E media where Cloud takes a day off to spend time with Tifa and the kids. Why would he do that if he doesn't care about Tifa?
>>737588165So you just mindlessly consume whatever SE devs say without criticism? If Aerith lives you will have no problem with it then?
>>737588489say that to >>737588315 since my sarcasm was directed to them
Since there are no shippers here I can post this without anyone getting mad thank God.
>>737588570>if he's not fucking her he doesn't care about herSeek help, they are his family, including Barret and the kids, that's why he spends time with them.
>>737588495>Barret leaves Marlene with Tifa and Cloud and goes off on his own in the novellaslol ok
>>737588495You must want the depressed mailman cloud! SE said so
>>737573894why is this a better semi realistic princess zelda design than any attempt from nintendo ever? lol
>>737588584I have opinions on what they put out but at the end of the day they're the creators so they're in charge of canon no matter what you or I think
>>737588705Barret also goes working for an oil company. Luckily he returns to the family of friends in DoC.
Infantilized character created for retarded mouthbreating losers.
>>737588768Yet you seem very invested in your headcanons
>>737588736Because Aerith is a miracle of the universe.
>>737588678>if he's not fucking her he doesn't care about herYour words, not mine. I'd say I find it odd how people are constantly putting words into my mouth that are completely incongruent with what I'm saying but alas it seems to be par for course that people refuse to debate points genuinely.
>>737589132I'll make it simple for you.>Yes he cares about her.>No he's not in a relationship with her. You're welcome.
>>737588853No headcanon anywhere, I posted official S-E media
What kind of wife would Aerith be? What kind of wife would Ifalna be? Would they be willing to marry me at the same time?
>>737589259Here is official SE media, I challenge you to try to avoid making a headcanon about it.
>>737589204>No he's not in a relationship with herHe says some odd things for someone not in a relationship though
>>737589395Okay, what do I win now?
>>737589259>canon: Cloud takes a day off to spend it with Tifa and the kids, his nakama family>your headcanon: Cloud takes a day off to spend it with Tifa, his wife, and their children
>>737589513The challenge will continue stay patient
>>737589517>Tifa, his wifeShow me where I said that
>>737589436Very interesting that they sleep in separate bedrooms and get officially labeled a family of friends together with barret
>>737589395How will the Marlene scene play out. She had direct visions and insights of aerith's feelings when she touched her
>>737588439Only because CC is ZAX's game, and the whole point of it was trying to make HIM seem relevant >>737388315Either this hurriedly created bland plotdevice merely for Cloud's backstory or that pornbait out of Nomura's nasty 1993 fap materials>>737385101>>737157985>>737385957 >>737173190these two parasite characters' "relationship" with other real characters never has a real reason beyond trying to make these two parasites "look less an abruptly inserted plotdevice".
>>737589668>The challenge will continueThen I counter challenge you to try and avoid making headcanon about this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qrAIABmt4w#t=484any reply to this post will be considered a win in my favor and expand to any other time the video is posted into perpetuity
And it was such a nice thread.
>>737589996They had planted marlene's visions in remake and expanded on it in rebirth. Some big changes have to come out of that interaction.
>>737589740>Cloud was Aerith's loverHas he ever admitted to this?
>>737589436>Now I have you on my side Tifa, unlike our past where I thought you hated me because we were never childhood friends Yeah. And Tifa thinks some interesting things for a couple in a romantic relationship. Almost like she perceives no formal attachment between Cloud and her that could tie him down. Almost as if they are two surviving friends trying to get by without a romantic compromise between them.
What did SE mean by this?
Oh lord, this discussion again
>>737590296The JP text makes it clear it's a mutual feeling and whatever SE says you will not challenge like you said
>>737590425>Now I have you on my side Tifa, unlike our past where I thought you hated me because we were never childhood friendsThis is sounding like headcanon considering Tifa immediately clears things up between them
Aerith got wet here
>>737590603>The JP text makes it clear it's a mutual feelingIt certainly implies that but why would Cloud kiss Tifa in >>737590213 but not Aerith if they were lovers?
>>737590525Just a comedic approach at tifa being second choice girl
>>737590650Huh? Cloud thought Tifa hated him for years after her accident, because she never gave indication of the opposite while everyone blamed him. Only until she asked him to promise to be her hero does he believe he could potentially become special to her, IF he fulfilled the condition of becoming SOLDIER.
>>737590914>Cloud thought Tifa hated him for years after her accident, because she never gave indication of the oppositeSounds like a Cloud problem, never mind the discussion in question is like two years after they beat Sephiroth. Did he think she still hated him then?
>>737590525lel
>>737589740It's an interesting choice of words by Nojima. My belief was they had something on the verge of being romantic until Sephiroth cuts it short. But Nojima does use a more aggressively romantic description.In Rebirth you see Cloud doesn't understand the depth of their romantic relationship until her death. I imagine it was always meant to be the same in OG.
>>737591206>the depth of their romantic relationship until her deathWhich was what, Aeris discussing her first boyfriend at the park and her alluding to Cloud not being himself on the gondola?
I wonder how this will look in part3
>>737591126Yes? That's why it's Cloud saying the dialogue? Now I have you (because before I didn't see it like that). And OTWTaS recounts the events between meteorfall and AC. The line you show it's after meteorfall. Tifa thinking he can leave her at any moment is from when they are already reconstructing seventh heaven.
>>737591862I need cloud to think aerith died for the angst
>>737591421Oh brother.
>>737570096ICE KING
Since they moved the marlene 'aerith likes cloud' scene will they do the same with the wedding prediction?
>>737591941>Yes?This makes zero sense considering Tifa finds him on the streets of Midgar and she immediately does everything she can to keep him around. If she still hated him why would she do any of that? >The line you show it's after meteorfallCorrect, that's what makes it absurd for Cloud to think she still hates him at that point.
>>737592084Explain Cloud and Aerith's romantic relationship in the OG besides them being at the park or Gold Saucer
>>737592290If they plan on giving aerith 50/50 content in part3 it's good some scenes got moved. They also didn't cover her asking cloud to take her on the airship
>>737574436Shippers are really grilling the poor guy for validation, lol.
>he is now infact challenging SE's wordwell that didn't take long lol
>>737592692It's so cringe. But he needs them to buy his shit.Nomura having on social media account is so much better
>>737592725Why don't you debate them directly then?
>>737592401Are you daft? This is about Cloud, an insecure person,'s point of view. She never "hated" him. Even back then when they were not friends he simply did not register on her radar more than background noise until the promise. But Cloud thought she did because the village treated him like shit. He deals with feeling unworthy constantly. That's why he hides his identity from Tifa in Nibelheim. Why he can only ask Aerith for forgiveness instead of an expression of love. Because it's a character trait of real Cloud to feel unworthy due to his life experiences. Tifa is an anxious person, but she didn't go through all the shit Cloud did. That's why the comment is odd to her.
>>737592896Why would I debate something as subjective as romance when I can just use word of god (that you already defended as a valid argument) to prove you wrong all the while exposing your glaring shipper double standard
>>737593072>This is about Cloud, an insecure person,'s point of viewHe's literally been Tifa's "nakama" for two years now, no one is that autistic other than you for assuming he is.
>>737593150>He's literally been Tifa's "nakama" for two years now,Yeah, tifa got the memo eventually and started calling their makeshift family a family of friends. Good for her
>>737593132>Why would I debate something as subjective as romanceLike you're doing now?>I can just use word of godCorrect but I can also point out how it doesn't make sense based on what the game actually shows. It doesn't mean I'm arguing it isn't true.>your glaring shipper double standardPretty sure I never once claimed that Cloud and Tifa are the OTP or that it's impossible for Cloud and Aerith to be romantically interested in each other.
>>737593274>argues a tangent instead of the pointI accept your concession
>>737593389I'm not the guy you were arguing with tho>>737593329>Like you're doing now?Nope I'm just making fun of your logical lapses and inconsistency in arguments
>>737593585>I'm not the guy you were arguing with thoThen that's a double win for me, two different guys couldn't argue the point
>>737593150Do you understand he recovered his memories right before meteorfall? And the line you showed was right after meteorfall?
>>737593691It's important to create imaginary wins I suppose even when others don't play the same game
>>737593585>I'm just making fun of your logical lapsesToo bad it wasn't logical lapse and you couldn't refute the point
>>737593753I don't need to refute a subjective point when I have word of God proving me right
How did he show his jealousy?
>>737593735And the implication is that even after defeating Sephiroth together as a group that only now Cloud thinks of Tifa as a "nakama" despite everything they've gone through after she found him at Midgar
>>737569115Culturally irrelevant game and franchise kek
>>737593751>important to create imaginary winsMe making a point and supposedly two people ignoring it isn't imaginary
>>737593894Funny how the "word of god" exists as a translation of an auxiliary info source and is never corroborated by later works
>>737594223Whatever helps you cope
>>737592489Lol. Not only was there immediate attraction between them, not only did Cloud immediately and uncharacteristically accepts to be her bodyguard for a date instead of money, not only did she immediately reminds him of the kind of girl his mother wanted him to date, not only did he save her from Shinra when nobody had dared to do so, but they literally went through a life changing journey together.The guy protects her from everything and accompanies her as she enjoys being completely free for the first time and comes to terms with her heritage. She treats him with care, openness, and enthusiasm for his very presence, something he's never had before.She's so in love with him she decides to face Sephiroth alone after seeing how he controls Cloud "so he won't have a breakdown". Her death hurts him so much the guy is stuck in limbo two years after her death.
>>737594426There's no cope here, I'm just asking for the devs to grow a spine and straight up show Cloud and Aerith being a couple if that's the case instead of the most pertinent evidence being a translated passage in some ultimania casually going "Cloud was Aerith's lover" and then nothing else showing that's to be true
>>737593986Cloud regains his memories and understands that he would not have considered Tifa a close friend if he had had them. But now he is completely himself and chooses to see her as his nakama while actually knowing their real past. It's progress given their childhood relationship, and something achieved by growing closer during the game. Also that line is after meteorfall, not two years later.
>>737587584Aerith as Fang fits because Fang is the Top, Vanille, like Tifa is a bottom.
>>737594708sure bro
>>737594536Wow all that in just 2 weeks they know each other before she's dead?
>>737595001Do you want me to share the steam link or something? You seem to have trouble understanding final fantasy games, my advice would be to play it.
>>737574436Is it really about shipping? Seems like a very aggressive and direct comment, huh.Maybe a guy at work pissed him off or something.
>>737595165They know each other for more than 2 weeks?
>>737594536>immediate attractionsome light flirting isn't an indication of a romantic relationship unless you think Aeris had the hots for Barret and Cloud was undeniably into Tifa>reminds him of the kind of girl his mother wanted him to datePretty sure she cares more about the "one that'll take care of you" part rather than the "older" part, never mind that it's Cloud that's taking care of Aeris as evidenced by the bodyguard part you referenced>She treats him with care, openness, and enthusiasm for his very presence, something he's never had beforeHis mom and Zack>She's so in love with him she decides to face Sephiroth alone after seeing how he controls Cloud "so he won't have a breakdown"Or he's a danger to her because it's only after Sephnova departs he freaks out and pummels her
>>737594756>Cloud regains his memories and understands that he would not have considered Tifa a close friend if he had had themYes, I'm sure the weeks of traveling together after the fact would not have influenced him in any way, it's only after finding out the truth that he would ever consider her a "nakama". How silly does that sound?
>>737594995see >>737590213
>>737595446>Immediate attraction. Yes bro. It's why he accepts to be her bodyguard for a date instead of asking for money. It's why she gives him the flower for one gil and offers him a date. Believe it or not, she doesn't do that to other guys.
>>737595446>the girl his mother mentionedCloud remembers it after meeting Aerith, in Aerith's house, because him, and the player, are meant to think of Aerith
>>737595446>so he won't have a breakdownSaid directly by her, after saying she wants to be with him in the gondola
>>737596203Except Zack
>>737595446>his momYes, but she's dead, and if a woman you find attractive treats you like that you're going to see it differently than the way your mom treats you.>ZackHe literally erased him from his mind. He believes his "friend" was Sephiroth instead of Zack.
>>737596441She offered a date to Zack? Don't you have it backwards?
>>737596578Yes after 2 years dating.
>>737595650How can I explain their complicated relationship of being nakamas while under false pretenses and understanding you are really nakamas after recovering your identity? That your past and the circumstances of your bond don't make it less real?>this time I have you>we've always had each other>but now I know what that means
>>737596203>It's why he accepts to be her bodyguard for a date instead of asking for moneyMeanwhile while getting nothing from Tifa who he supposedly thinks hates him...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv9VnAhUQ6w#t=2084
>>737596727Do you mean two years of barely seeing each other because of his missions?
>>737596298I'd argue the devs were trying to endear Aeris to the player rather than express Cloud's actual feelings. Why not actual do that if that's the case?
>>737596812That or this. Aerith didn't dump him.
>>737596372He already did and pummeled her while trying to calm him down. He then breaks down again once Tifa is unable to verify he's really himself. Looks like her "advice" was useless.
>>737596775Cloud thought Tifa would not accept him for not becoming SOLDIER, that's why he hides his identity from her. Doesn't mean he didn't WANT to be special to her, or that he didn't want to be accepted despite his failures. And doesn't mean he won't protect the girl who is his literally assigned mission, and for whose previous accident he already feels guilty about.
>>737597028Do what? Hamaguchi came out to explain her words describe Aerith.
>>737597065What? And also, her last letter is letting him go and determining she'll "be happy".
>>737596510>Yes, but she's deadThe argument was he never got to feel that before. >He literally erased him from his mindThat just reinforces the argument that "Clone" Cloud was never the real Cloud when Aeris was alive
>>737596736i.e. "Clone" Cloud was never the real Cloud when Aeris was alive and all their interactions didn't matter
>>737597246It was never shown how many times they have dated or not dated. What is sure is the 2 years. And all her letters were not revealed, they're with Tseng.
>>737597121>Doesn't mean he didn't WANT to be special to herGlad you could admit it
Why are people still this autistic about this? You can literally choose who Cloud likes more in the game.You can even ditch both of them for Barret.
>>737597114What?>Sephiroth controls Cloud and attacks Aerith>instead of resenting him she says she'll take on Sephiroth so Cloud should just focus on himself >she's killed >fueled by rage and reunion Cloud continues to seek Sephiroth Seems like not following her advice and getting close Sephiroth caused his breakdown. Also, you're meant to see it as a tragedy because the heroine's efforts didn't work out, not think >well that was uselessBut your disconnection from the story is too strong.
>>737597181>HamaguchiShow me where he's credited on the original game
>>737597278You're right friend, I'll correct it.>he had never been treated like that except by his mother, and never before in a romantic wayAlso, the whole story is Cloud believing he's someone else. He doesn't magically become a being separate from Cloud. "Fake Cloud" doesn't exist in a vacuum, he's part of real Cloud.
>>737597557It's a very retarded tifa autist who has been doing it for years.
>>737597591>fueled by rageFunny how little that mattered once he got convinced he was a puppet. You'd think something of that importance would overcome the suggestion that you were artificially created.
>>737597362LMFAO
Just post aerith and stop engaging the bait
Aerith is best girl, but I don't think she'll end up with Cloud over Tifa. Wake me up when Cloud and Aerith get a kiss onscreen like Cloud and Tifa did.
>>737597939It's more about her being dead actually
>>737597369What is certain is they spent so little time together Aerith's only wish was to spend more time with him. That wish doesn't come true. Fortunately she gets to spend a lot of time with Cloud.
>>737597774>He doesn't magically become a being separate from Cloudi.e. Zack isn't actually erased from his mind, at best he's a suppressed memory
>>737597825I'm not the one making that argument :^)
>>737597538Yep, he wanted to be special to the girl whose accident he was blamed for, and who was an idol in the village. Unfortunately, their relationship was so thin he didn't think she would accept him if he didn't become SOLDIER. But now it's different and he knows she'll be his nakama regardless of that.
>>737598026debateable
>>737597805Huh? Guess he also forgot Sephiroth killed his mom, what a shallow relationship they must have shared.Or maybe the thought of not even knowing if he's a "human" breaks him. Like it broke Sephiroth when he found out the truth of his birth.
>>737597993With the whole remake multiverse nonsense, I half expect them to have Cloud being able to end up with both of them in different timelines
>>737598221Non-debatable lol, in that scene we already know Cloud and Aerith are novels, as per the novel.
There are two possibilities, either we save Aerith or it ends with Cloud and Tifa as eternal friends, like in the OG. Sad.
>>737598138Surely he would have said the same thing to his other nakama of equal standing Barret right? Please post the proof if you have it.
>>737598026Canonically Aerith could only have known Cloud for less than 4 weeks (December 0007). But Aerith knew Zack for 1.5 years (April 0001 to September 0002)https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII_timeline
Anyways, nice reaffirming people deny the new defy fate direction out of shipping and not actual understanding of the story.
>keep debating all you want>I just know who Aerith should be with
>>737598464>remake fags>having an understanding of the storyYou're a funny guy, anon.
>>737598223>Or maybe the thought of not even knowing if he's a "human" breaks himWhat happened to him being fueled by rage though? Why is it that instead of immediately attacking Sephnova like he did to Sephiroth after he found Tifa gravely wounded he sat there and cried about Aeris while Sephnova T-posed menacingly above him?
>>737598307>Cloud and Aerith are novels>Zack and Aerith turn their back on Cloud and leave together
>>737598247No she's still dead in part 2
Why is this so hot
Will tifa marry barret again?
Absolutely
>>737598428Sorry friend, this is Cloud and Tifa's endgame. From fake childhood friends to extra special nakama childhood friends. Which is an improvement, considering their past.But you can complain to Nojima all you want lol
His smile and optimism: gone
>>737598797Hand penetration
>>737598996Are we talking about the same Nojima who wrote Tales of 2 Pasts?
>>737590525Is this real
>>737598996>extra special nakama childhood friendsYou said it not me lol
why he droolin
>>737598910Yes but barret will leave for milk again
Do you think this is off model for Aerith?
>>737597939Imagine thinking a rebound kiss is the measure of romance when aerith's date completely mogs tifa's
>>737599175Yep, lol
>>737599430 No
>>737599434
>>737599430She wouldn't wear that
>>737599523see >>737590213
I heckin love my wife
>>737599697cute and canon
Why is the aerith date the only one that talks about true love?
>>737576509Better hope EC doesn't eos before
>>737599828I don't know they also made her rosa in 4/6 of the dates for some reason
>>737574436Just saw the tweet. Poor guy kek
No Aerith you can not meet with other men in the gold saucer
Why does Aerith's shirt say promised land? What does it mean? Is she the promised land?
>>737600094Cloud, Tifa is right next to you, she thinks you're on a date, control yourself
>>737600163Cloud's Promised Land is his family; Tifa, Marlene and Denzel
>>737600264Does her avirex shirt say promised land?
>>737600264Reminder that the person who wrote that is benny matsuyama
>>737599286Are we getting another look for part 3?
>>737600163She is in the promised land waiting for Cloud
>>737574069Aerith is the canon date, and the one that connects with the rest of the game. They weren't even subtle.
>>737600373Whose word is law?Aren't they all SE's words? And before you say Nojima, he doesn't even work in SE
>>737600238He also says that if he is on a date with no one. So he gets jealous of Aerith dating himself.
>>737600521I said that because benny wrote maiden which tifags loathe.Devs did say that they all have a different view on what the promised land is and that part3 will answer it
>>737600652You mean the entirety of Compilation of FF7 will answer it.
>>737600724No they specifically said part3
>>737600764Who said that? It's already answered in AC
>>737600264Part3 should make *ackshually Don Corneo survived*.>>737282784>>737248356>>737278623>>737293960https://m4.imhentai.xxx/013/2vau7fhjn9/12.jpg
>>737600652Promised Land is just the friends we made along the way. It's not real.
>>737600652Just more proof that Ultimanias will contradict each other and other established sources of information
Does anyone like Caith Sith's version of the song performance? I don't like he tries to interrupt Aerith. Barret and Red are much better.
>>737577478I'm hoping one third in, but half sounds more realistic. Lifestream is the last emotional high point for purists, so after that is full focus on saving Aerith.
>>737600652Prommised land is the afterlife
>>737587875IIRC the modder said it's because she wanted it to be different from the Remake mod where Tifa was Fang and Aerith was Vanille.
Wish I had an Aerith
What's your take on the canon dates?My opinion: OG: both Aerith, there's no space for debate here because her's is the default one.Rebirth: I think chapter 12 is 100% Aerith as canon (Red is my next favorite), but I think maybe chapter 8 it's Tifa's date? Or both Aerith? I prefer Aerith, but if you don't take Tifa she looks deluded trying to kiss him next. It already looks bad Cloud is openly jealous and possessive of Aerith on any date.
How many kids do you need to repopulate the Cetra?
>>737601863being the last of your kind must be a harrowing experience. Your gene pool just keeps getting more diluted
>>737601863Step one is to have a non-Cetra child for Aerith to reincarnate out of the lifestream into.Do you think Tifa would be willing to do that? Become Aerith's new mom?
>>737602138If that's the way then wouldn't other more pure blooded Cetras be reincarnated first? Aerith is a half blood.
>>737601863We're talking dozens, but Cloud is willing to do it.
I have noticed the idea of Cloud and Aerith having kids bothers CTs very much. Is it because they know Cloud and Tifa remain a platonic family of friends forever while Cloud and Aerith would immediately go at it?
>>737602405But Aerith is dead
>>737602504Get on with the times
>>737602248Are any of their personalities still intact? Or have they all been in there so long that their essences have been recycled (or condensed into materia)?>>737602138>>737601863Do you think Aerith would demand Tifa pick someone other than Cloud, because she doesn't want the awkwardness of the guy she likes suddenly being her father?Maybe she would have to pick the most spiritual ally she knows, to more easily move through the lifestream to.
>>737602607The times still say she's dead
>>737602405They're anti natalist. It's a religious position.
So square announced a XIV expansion for Jan 2027. So no 2027 release for R3?
>>737602779I respect that, didn't mean to make them uncomfortable. I'll stop.
>>737602902Very considerate.
>>737601863Aerith has severe baby fever. She would also be a soccer mom
>>737602902>>737603039Good luck with your fanfic bros
>>737573805These look veery real anon. Now I'm really worried for part 3.
>>737569115Tfw no Aerith in Slovenia
>>737603039Thanks. What a nice thing to say.
>>737603280You're very welcome.
I don't want to fight Tifa friends. I just want Aerith to live while I get to marry her. Is that so bad?
>>737602849Not in January, by the looks of it.
>>737603512But the path to peace is Cloti and Zerith
>>737603512If she gets to live, Cloud gets to marry her. If she stays dead, Zack does. You must be thinking of a third option.
>>737603278A si res Slovenc
>>737603512There's no peace with them, I'm afraid. It's just not natural.
>>737603681More like Clerith and Zifa
Were Tidus and Yuna really inspired by Cloud and Aerith? Or by Zack and Aerith?
>>737603868Interesting idea.
>>737603512>caring about retards
>>737603883Obviously it's a cloud aerith copy like rinoa and squall
What was she thinking here
>>737603868A bit hard with both Aerith and Zack being dead
>>737604313About pushing him down and forcing herself on him (me). I wish she had done it.
>>737604387Cloud yearns for Aerith and Aerith is calling him her lover so it's the only viable option. The secondary characters don't matter and should just be paired off
>>737603512Reviving Aerith defeats the purpose of the original game's narrative which is dealing with tragedy/loss. Her being dead shouldn't be a problem for most people because she lives on in the games spiritually and iconically as well as being ubiquitous in crossovers. The people who want her back the most it seems are the ones who are adamant that she have a romantic relationship with Cloud and that comes off as the most obnoxious reason to do so.
>>737603868Tifa already has barret tho
>>737604462Shut up tifaggot and kys
>>737604438Okay but they're both dead
nooo cloud you can't just daydream and hallucinate aerith all game
>>737604462Are you ok with Aerith pining for Cloud forever in death while he pines for her forever in life? Because that's the compilation ending.
>>737604598He doesn't though. He imagined her staying behind.
>>737604462Keeping Aerith death defeats the purpose of the remakes' narrative which is defying fate and destiny. Her being alive shouldn't be a problem for most people because that's what the narrative and themes have been pointing towards. The people who want her dead the most it seems are the ones who are adamant that she shouldn't have a romantic relationship with Cloud and that comes off as the most obnoxious reason to do so.
>>737604598>hallucinateHe saved her, if he hallucinated she would go with him
>>737604527According to anti-tifafags Cloud doesn't even care about her so who cares at that point>>737604613Going by AC Aerith just wants Cloud to stop being a retard and move on with his life. And if Cloud is so desperate to be with Aerith then he can easily go join her in the Lifestream if he wants.
>>737604096Didn't they only know each other for a few weeks? Just like Cloud and Aerith. And unlike Zack and Aerith who knew each other longer but didn't spend time together because of his missions.
I'm cuming for you
I love this scene and the falling phone
>>737604732Hmmm
>>737604598>>737604642She isn't a hallucination thoughNanaki feels her presenceShe's the same Aerith we fight Sephiroth with in the final phase - Cloud didn't "save" her so much as he forced her into existence with his willpower combined with his Jenova schizophreniaBut like other Lifestream AUs, hers is only temporaryI'm guessing that Cloud will have to face this during the revisit to the Forgotten Capital and there'll be a sad scene of him accepting her death as the AU she's in fades
>>737569115>new dissidiaWHAT
>>737604885(said lovingly)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I48DCGyJ-Gc
>>737605086It's over for ZackxAerith shippers. I say this as a Zack fan.
>>737604859Are you still crying that he doesn't care about her if he doesn't get in a relationship with her?Why are you so entitled? Do you care about your siblings? Parents? Friends? Without being in a romantic relationship?
>>737605162It was over in 1997 when Cloud was made the MC
>>737603868What about Cissnei?
>>737605231I'm rooting for her
>>737604732>Keeping Aerith death defeats the purpose of the remakes' narrative which is defying fate and destinyNot at all. Due to Sephiroth's meddling her "fate and destiny" is now to be killed by him over and over until she loses the will or capacity to continue being in his way. Either she consigns worlds to oblivion or she figures out a way to stop Sephiroth from continuing the cycle in the myriad of worlds that can exist and be combined with.>The people who want her deadShe's been getting killed time and time again in a bunch of different worlds trying to stop Sephiroth and the only reason this is happening is because S-E knows the revive Aerith fans and the Clerith shippers will salivate at the possibility of Aerith surviving. They're using your hopes to profit off of.
>>737605335>fanfiction
>>737605189>Are you still crying that he doesn't care about her if he doesn't get in a relationship with her?No? You seem to care about that more than me>Why are you so entitled?I'd ask that of the people who expect a dead character to be resurrected just because it'll make them feel better
What if they go the hack ending and leave everything ambiguous? Would it be funny? Or infuriating?
>>737605384Explain what Sephiroth is doing and why there are apparently dead worlds where Sephiroth hunts Aerith in
>>737594937>Fang is the TopI always got the impression she's secretly a bottom from how she gets all subby around Raines and Barthandelus
Cloud got a huge Aerith
>>737605096He imagined her. The other Aerith that Red noticed is the real lifestream Aerith. There are 2 Aeriths
>>737605486You absolutely internalized that yt video into your soul, huh?
>>737606002How about you offer an alternative analysis that's backed up by what's in the games to prove that statement true?
>>737605979>He imagined her
>>737605335If she's being killed continuously and suffering so much, isn't the best outcome to actually save her and let her live, like she wants to do?
I'm not a fan of shipping, but every time I see something with Aerith I always see some paint huffer logic that makes no sense for her to be with Cloud. Tifa and Cloud have the Highwind scene since the OG and have a family afterwards. Cloud went off to be a first class soldier for Tifa to notice him. Tifa is the main reason Cloud regains his actual self. In the process of bringing Cloud back, we see how he's pretty much obsessed with Tifa. Rebirth even gives us plenty of scenes showing how much of a simp Cloud is over Tifa while he always grimaces when Aerith throws herself at him. How does Cloud end up with Aerith in part 3 after all this? All the evidence I see for the ship are quotes from old excerpts 2 decades ago and mental gymnastics without a drop of thought. Even if Cloud and Aerith were originally set up to be lovers, that clearly isn't the direction they went to for the og and the remake. If the precedence for shipping was the creators' original ideas, then Aerith and Sephiroth are lovers. Zack was brought back and shippers relegate him to the cuck chair when the creators have said they want the ending to be happy for the characters. The logic I keep seeing for this is Zack is brought back to approve of Cloud and Aerith being together even though she's. There's no logic in that train of thought. Marlene's scene that's always used as proof for Zack being a cuck is placed out of order and ignores that Cloud's date with Aerith has her explaining there's different kinds of "like," the same date that's almost the same as Zack's, but with the NPCs constantly telling them they don't look good together. Rebirth puts it right in your face that their relationship isn't the same as Cloud and Tifa almost kissing, and even having the ferris wheel kiss that's ignored because it's "optional."You shippers have tumors in your brains.
>>737606450But Sephiroth wants to kill her. Why deny him his wish to be happy?
>h-hehe Aerith is waiting for Cloud in the promised land Doesn't that make her a cuck? He's living with her in AC and DoC. They're definitely fucking and making babies.
>>737606465Because they love each other.
>>737606450The best outcome at that point is to stop Sephiroth. If you save an Aerith that just creates a new world for him to mess around in and doesn't save the one in your world.
>>737606465You don't understand the dynamics. Remake proves Cloud and Tifa only focus on the past and she brings out his fake persona. Aerith brings out real Cloud. We have the LSS where Cloud and Tifa admit they were never friends. The sequels where they don't get together. And her romance is once again completely locked behind affection mechanics, unlike Aerith's. Also, helping your friends be together doesn't make you a cuck. You engage with the story very superficially.
>>737606568Show us the proof anon. Cause we only have confirmation of the opposite. A platonic relationship sleeping separately.
>>737570594Still would
>>737606737>Aerith brings out the real CloudIs this a joke? The only thing Cloud shows up with Aerith for most of the scenes is him being annoyed, shy because Tifa is around them, and him trying to act like Zack. Zack isn't Aerith's friend, he's her biggest simp. >>737606786Did you actually play the games? Play the fucking games you shipping retard.
>>737576509I want MariaerithMaria is probably the most underrated FF Girl ever, probably because not everyone played FF2. I say this as I watch a boss rush of FF2.
>>737606924You see Cloud obviously acting like Zack with Tifa and convinced yourself that is real Cloud. Why doesn't he act like that in AC? Or DoC? Why does he act more like the Cloud with Aerith in those sequels, when he's already the real him, instead of acting like the cool Cloud that takes the lead to romance Tifa? Why does he never act like the cool Cloud thay gives Tifa the flower in any sequel or spinoff?Please explain why his personality changes so much from the Tifa romance route to every other portrayal of Cloud.
>>737607026Terraerith was my dream, but we already got her.
Are threads always this... aggressive? I kind of remember just sharing Aerith pics and theories. At least in Aerith threads.
>>737607889I do prefer Aerith and Ifalna gooning over recycled discussions, but it can't be helped.
>>737607889It's more about how Aerithfags cannot accept that she's dead. How can discussions be civil when they cannot accept simple facts?
>>737570594>>737570250She's still hot.
Aerith died and now she's together with Zack, the only man she truly loves.
Oh my
>>737608467Aerith is dead in the OG, that is her ending. She dies and watches over everyone lovingly while still being in love with Cloud, her true love.The problem is Tifags want everyone to think "Aerith is dead, therefore she can't be with Cloud, therefore Cloud is with Tifa, logic" when stories don't work like that.
>>737608832If Aerith could move on from Zack so could cloud. Let him be happy >But ac!It was the emo era
>>737608889You don't understand, do you? Neither you nor I control Cloud. I just follow the story they gave us.>but he could move on with Tifa!But he doesn't. Even in DoC. For a person who actually cares about the story, what are they going to think? That Tifa was simply not the one he wanted.From your point of view 'aerisfags' hold Nojima at gunpoint so he cannot confirm CT openly.From my point of view, Nojima sticks to his guns and doesn't confirm CT despite Tifags holding a gun to his head.So it's an impasse of opposing points of view.
>>737608832>Aerith is dead, therefore she can't be with CloudCloud can be with Aerith forever by joining the Lifestream at any time
>>737608889Aerithfags only care about ego
>>737608467>u-u shitted up muh titfuck threads first so i'll shit u up back.And this is what titfuck threads should look like amongst cultured people, https://archive.is/9RQ9E#sd1288726716only you illiterate cucks lusting over an overly whitewashed secondhand fap material (and eating up secondhand bullshit) are trying to pretend that thing is ever anything else than a irrelevant obscene gag material. >>737281575
>>737608832But AC showed that not only Aerith never talked to Cloud for 2 years, she also moved on with Zack at the ending of the movie
>>737609240Your pov is so interesting.>if Cloud loved Aerith he would die to be with herBut she wants him to live, he says he has to live after what everyone did for him>aha! So if he chooses to stay alive then he should go all out and get with Tifa anywayActually no, he doesn't have to. Please say it as it is, "I WANT him to get with Tifa".Why doesn't he get with her? Because that's the story they wrote. We can have our theory of why that is. Your theory most likely involves Cloud and Tifa being secretly together but Nojima being afraid of confirming it because of deranged shippers.My theory involves Cloud's feelings not aligning with (You)rs. He doesn't get with her romantically BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO.But I guess that's also conjecture since Nojima hasn't openly said that either. Still, it's the theory that relies on actual shown information instead of the unseen "they are together they just can't show it nor confirm it nor talk about it, trust me".
>>737609368AC shows Aerith's main concern is Cloud. The movie shows her and Zack working together almost like business partners out of concern for Cloud. The complementary Lifestream White chapters written AFTER AC and CC show she has zero (0) thoughts in her head about Zack and thinks about Cloud, her lover, all the time. Forgive me for taking into account the character information Nojima wrote.
>>737609814Nojima wrote this >>737599175
>>737609983He also wrote something you illiterate bullshiteaters cant even read.
>>737610092Okay but Cloud and Tifa are together as per Nojima. Also Nomura said she's Cloud's 'koibito'
>>737609983Yeah bro. Cloud and Tifa live together as a family. They are the closest thing to a family they have left.I guess we can read that as a romance and close the story, even if not explicitly specified, no need to read further.The novel:>family as nakama, separate bedrooms, Cloud and Aerith koibitoThe movie:>Cloud needs to see Aerith specifically to move on, Zack barely appears, thinks about Aerith all the time, most cherished thing, feels the same guilt as Vincent, Tifa left behind, a memory or usOne year later:>Cid and Shera actually got married. Cloud and Tifa still childhood friendzonedHmmm, could that non explicit romantic confirmation not have been a romantic confirmation at all?
>>737610223Show me Cloud's name in that statement.
>>737609814They were joking about how Cloud is too big to adopt, that's not sounding like a business. That's in no way being a business partner.You keep bringing up Nojima's writings from decades ago but ignore the current content and where it's heading. Nojima released a new novel recently that's never brought up because it's all Tifa talking about Cloud and Aerith talking about Zack right before the game starts. That type of novel doesn't get made unless it' to make intentions clear as day what the pairings are. If you want to bring up other spinoffs, Ever Crisis showed us Zack and Aerith reuniting already, and it wasn't romantic but was emotional. Obviously they won't spoil what the actual reunion will be in a mobile game. Cloud also showed up in the lifestream along with the others to fight with Aerith. How was their reunion? Barely anything. They barely acknowledged each other and left it at that. The past works don't define the current piece of media so stop digging evidence that are older than you.
>>737610462Who's lover is she?
>>737609689>But she wants him to liveAccording to other people being without Aerith is excruciatingly painful so why not just kill himself if that's the case, then they can both enjoy each other's company>aha! So if he chooses to stay alive then he should go all out and get with Tifa anywayPoint out where I even suggested anything like that>Your theory most likely involves Cloud and Tifa being secretly togetherMy "theory" is Cloud and Tifa work and live together because that's what's being said in the games/movies/novellas
>>737610426Cloud and Tifa live together and have a family while Aerith is still dead with Zack. Zack shows up in key moments and still shows up as one of his traumas like when he sees Tifa in danger. They don't have to rush marriage when they're still young unlike Cid and Shera.
>>737610223>Nomura believes his cheap lip service would make ppl really care about that pornbait with a 14yo Ayumi Ito gookface he jizzed to >>737385957 >>737173190>which was shoved into AC midway through.Both Zaaaa-ACK and the secondhand fap material you lusting over didn't even exist in the primary AC concept aka what AC is meant to be.
Cloud can fuck off and live with Barrett instead because they're also nakama and he also has the family ring. Why doesn't he? Cloud should ignore the girl he went far enough to leave town and be famous for, the same girl he spent the night before the final fight with, the same girl that nursed him back when he was catatonic. He should be loyal and miserable for the rest of his life for a girl whom he remembers was his best friend's girl. The same girl he died trying to see. Real poetic romance you have there.
>>737610720>bringing up concepts and outdated passages for proofThis is all you troons have to justify your dead ship.
>>737610860you are out of those scary moonrunes which you can't even read but believe they can somehow scare away those who know you are not anything else than a secondhand bullshiteater, again?>>737352452>>737352273
>>737610720>>737611228I love how everytime this spam appears the samefagging Aerith pics stops. Really a mask off moment
>>737611272Never trust hags who talk like little girls
>>737610720But why did they allow Zack and Tifa to be in the movie?
>>737569115>AerithAeris
tiFAA!
>>737610468Man you just don't get it do you. You don't get his writing at all. Bet you also thought him giving the flower to Tifa was about love and not about wanting to look cool like a soldier, that the resolution hug was true love and not a "one night mistake", then you found the official commentary weird and rejected it as nonsense. The novels are there to show us that Tifa knew nothing about Cloud before he left Nibelheim and barely anything after. That's why he shows her misunderstanding him "so he chooses to be alone because he wants to, I'm so envious he doesn't care about what others think, the opposite of me" when we know it was the opposite and Cloud cared very much. He has her obsess over their one memory together and always realize she has no memories with him. To show she cares about him, but fell in love with the illusion first. She only knows the real him until the LSS and her feelings and personality are a complete surprise to her. The books are context for that.He shows a young Aerith that desperately wants to spend time with Zack but doesn't get to because of his missions. An Aerith that doesn't give him the bad letters because she wants him to only see her good side. Then in the game we see Cloud actually spending time with her, going on multiple dates with her. We see her sharing her darkest thoughts with him and him supporting her. Almost like it's a different kind of like to the one she shared with Zack.
>>737610576Yep, a family of nakama as Tifa so kindly explains.
>>737611425>Oh no is that...a cute girl who wants the best for me! The horror!Why were boomers like this?
>>737611459Again, outdated evidence with no bearing over the current path of the remake. You retards keep clutching onto old novels and shit from decades ago as proof your ship will magically bring Aerith back or have her wait until Cloud dies to be with him. Be fucking for real.
>>737610793Sorry Nojima's writing is not to your liking friend.>There's a premise Cloud and Tifa won't work out together, even without GeostigmaAnd in his mind he's been expanding that premise, it just doesn't translate to you.
>>737611587That's from the newest novel dumbfuck.Read your cope novels first.
>>737611369providing "hints" to those who make picrel so he can have more fap material about the thing he jizzed over since 1993?>>737600950https://m3.imhentai.xxx/012/3zmqarxp81/9.jpghttps://m3.imhentai.xxx/012/3zmqarxp81/17.jpg
I wish I had gifs of scared Aerith when these walls of text start to appear.
>>737580305Threadly reminder that this “artistic and narrative” element was created purely for the shock value. The devs only wanted to kill off a major character because it’s a FF cliche, it didn’t matter who or why.>Nomura: The actual conversation between Mr. Kitase and myself was very, very long. Originally, there were only going to be three characters in the entire game: Cloud, Barrett, and Aerith. Can you imagine that? And we knew even in the early concept stage that one character would have to die. But we only had three to choose from. I mean, Cloud's the main character, so you can't really kill him. And Barrett... well, that's maybe too obvious. But we had to pick between Aerith and Barrett. We debated this for a long time, but in the end decided to sacrifice Aerith.>EGM: Did you pick her to increase the drama?>TN: In the previous FF games, it became almost a signature theme for one character to sacrifice him or herself, and often it was a similar character type from game to game, kind of a brave, last-man-standing, Barrett-type character. So everyone expected that. And I think that death should be something sudden and unexpected, and Aerith's death seemed more natural and realistic. Now, when I reflect on Final Fantasy VII, the fact that fans were so offended by her sudden death probably means that we were successful with her character. If fans had simply accepted her death, that would have meant she wasn't an effective character.
>>737607889I prefer happy Aerith threads but I guess it can't be helped with ff threads. At least we get a little bit of Aerithposting before thread gets derailed and everyone leaves.
>>737611875If anyone has gifs of scared or facepalming Aerith please share.
>>737610223Anon, that statement is not a win you think it is, unless you also want to claim that Tifa is actually Cloud’s mom.>Tifa’s position combines multiple roles. She’s like [his] mother, lover, and fellow comrade in arms.
>>737611459You're making it sound like Cloud and Aerith had those dates in earnest and not as Cloud always scowling. How do you gloss over the details but end up reading the novels? What the novel showed was Aerith looking for Zack in everything as well, obsessing over him to make sense of why she even gravitated to Cloud who copied his mannerisms, walk, and the big fucking sword. It's a different relationship with Zack because he's dead and Cloud is the replacement. That's what the ship amounts to even with DD.
>>737611590>they won't work well together>let's have them live together as a familyBravo Nojima saved Cloud and Aerith's relationship with that one
>Aerith calls Barrett cute at the beachDid she and Barrett...?
The VAs and devs can't talk about character relationships because of shipping schizos like everyone in this thread. If you have to reach a point where you feel the need to attack others for a ship being canon or not, take a second to reflect on your life.
>>737612675Only Tifa is going to have both bbc and bBALDYc >>737611809 in her holes.
>>737611809At the expense of removing Aerith's screentime?
>>737612540The novels are there to show her pure longing (immature love) for Zack and contrast it with her true love with Cloud.Also>he's her replacementMeanwhile her:>it's so weird you have the exact mannerisms (of the person whose mannerisms you copied) but I know that's not the real you, you're the one I want to be withEveryone else:>don't realize Cloud has someone else's mannerisms and just accept it as the real himAlso>she drags himShe leads him because REAL Cloud is the kind of person who needs a push to go along and come out of his shell. Marlene literally has to push him into their family in AC for that reason.Tifa doesn't know how to deal with this Cloud. Unless the player controls him and he's the active soldier that leads her, she's lost on how to deal with him. That's why their relationship stagnates the minute Cloud is in control and not the player. Aerith leads him so she doesn't have that problem. And he can tell people to fuck off when he doesn't want something.
>>737612741Maybe they should take a stance then? The writers, the VAs have nothing to do with writing, lol.
This thread is kill.Comfy Aerith horny posting, I miss you.Don't engage with bait next time.
>>737613197I like how in Rebirth everybody and their dog says that Cloud loves bold, assertive women who take the initiative, but Tifafags still whine about Aerith “dragging him around”.
>>737613502His own mother, Hamaguchi, Nojima, but these people don't understand.i hope Nojima goes all out in showing real Cloud in part 3. For any other character I would be worried about square bending to public interpretation, but not for Cloud.
>>737612089And Tifags say Aerith threads don't get raided. Whining babies
Last for her unmaintained commoner brunette bush
>>737612527Tifa is Marlene and Denzel's mom
Aerith is a beautiful angel
>>737614418And to Cloud, according to Nojima, lol
Please no more baitposting
>>737614504Okay, but also Cloud's fighter partner and lover
>>737614719Show the statement, we only have confirmation she's Cloud's mother, lol
