americans ruin everything they touch
>koreanhttps://youtu.be/Xf1HMQjwUVk?si=kHI5s9v9YRboM7k9
Can the dev sue the translator for this shit? It has clearly lost him an actual chunk of english sales and refunds due to shoehorned propaganda
>>737604396>>737604926why do they do this shit? all the other translations are good
Anyone have that gif of Luka being HIV positive in the official Russian translation of Steins Gate?
Only shitty games get poorly handled translations like this. It's a sign the original devs simply don't care and you should be playing something better.
>>737604926Imagine dragonbaby has to stand in japanese court and they need their own translator www
>>737605269The other translations aren't actually good, they were all done by AI.
>>737604926>>737604396if only you included which game this is I might care.
>>737605512때려치우자 seems decent
>>737605512So actually good, got it.
>>737605530Yunyun Syndrome!? Rhythm Psychosis
Apparently the official game discord is full of trannies. The game looks like it's trans coded too so of course it has tranny translator, the game is just not for you
>>737605593Yunyun Denpa Syndrome is the non-localized name, despite being totally fine as is, they changed that too.
>>737605707>discord>full of tranniesimagine my shock
>>737604396>End Fascism!>Says the guys who literally enact more Fascism for their message to work
>>737605593Oh right, I saw this review about it requiring a high IQ to understand the game.
>>737605742yea I havent heard of the game befote but denpa tells me a whole lot more about the vibe the game might be going for.
The game is not for you, people who are crying about the translation won't even buy it even if it's 'fixed'
>>737605707I doubt a game about Internet pop culture from 20 years ago is made for zoomer trannies. The zoomer trannies would agree that it isn't made for them since they removed all of the 20 year old references that were in the original script.
>>737604926lol good save adding in the "FSN" to the "FGO reference". People were saying FGO was the origin of "command seals" because as we all know Fate started with a gacha for people to play on their phones.
>>737606146times like this i see why they call us cattle
>>737606146The theme and artstyle of the game really seem like something trannies would latch onto, I guess it really is 'their' game and people crying about it are pretty much the same as yurifags crying about straight ships even though the game was not made for them.
>>737606175I wonder if 4cucks will still be seething about zoomers 20 years from now when they're in their 60s
>>737606175That's the neat part, the localization removed all the references to internet pop culture from 20 years ago, so now there's no barrier for zoomer trannies to latch onto this game.
>>737604926>YO WTF I WANNA GET ISEKAIED!he needs to get shot for that, unironically
>>737605707>full of tranniesWell yeah, aesthetics aside it's a rhythm game. Right up there with anime fighting games as transgender central in the west
>>737606327>>737606146>>737606252>>737606371you will never be a woman
What the fuck is this shit? What happened?NGO translation might have had an issue here and there but it might as well be Nabokov compared to this game's fanfic translation.Sure, the games are only tangentially related, but what the fuck man.
modern day social media weebs made the average person think japan is cringe
Why is it always something political or lgbt related with localizers? It's never something like supporting cancer research.
>>737606397thank god
>>737606146That's terrifying.
>>737606459Because it panders to their friends (that also tend to be in the localization industry) and wins them brownie points on bluesky
>>737604926Looking at this I'm seriously wondering if the translator even knew the langauge at all. Did he just luck out on a lie?
Niggas who majored Japanese and had to memorise classical Japanese grammar are starving to death cus of their useless degrees while N3 trannies get hired for translating roles
>>737606146It's humbling to see a group of people more mentally ill than us. God damn how do they live like this?
>>737606146Is this how "normies" view us?
The cynical side of me has me feeling like they went with the political slant specifically because arguing against it would make you sound like a chud (all instead of just translating the game)
>>737604396Classic example of gatekeeping being important>I don't understand this but I want to be a part of the community, no, I AM NOW THE COMMUNITY, KILL THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS AND RAPE THE ORIGINAL MEANING, IT IS NOW WHAT I WANT IT TO BEAnother funny example is loli. Normalfags turn a blind eye to it at best, when it is in fact ingrained into the medium. Every single anime and every single video game they play regardless of how popular always has a chance for a random sexualized loli to be included, and there's nothing they can do about it so pretend it simply doesn't exist because they desperately want to be involved in the community whilst simultaneously demonizing it
>>737606368he just needs to pull a 41
>>737604396>white leftists do terrible things>blame everyone but them
>>737606650It's crazy that soms group finally succeeded
>>737604396>'Yamero' means 'end fascism' nowWhat kind of olympic mental gymnastics did these troons do to come to that conclusion? This can't be anything more than deliberate trolling.
Californian Trannylators do it out of seething jealousy. They are constantly seething towards any foreign media because Californian trannies are supposed to be THE center of the world's entertainment industry, and nothing pisses them off worse than being reminded they're not. Every other language isn't plagued by troonlators because they aren't Californian.
Are other languages to english translations just as bad or is it just JP-EN that sucks
>>737604926>>737604396What's the context? It likely fits the localization
>>737606863JP to EN is just the most notable because trannies attach to anime like parasites
>>737604396lmfao fuck yourselves jap faggotsgo back to sucking corporate cock and destroying some neir community project
>>737606175denpa is japanese absurdism/whimsy.
>>737606146Jesas, normalfag trannies are truly awful
>>737606941Are stiff like Rus-EN as bad?
>>737606983She's running away with all the boobs... someone please stop her... ;_;
>>737606983
>>737606983>Q-chan proportions
>>737605512non sequitur
>>737604926Anyone defending this after the line where they mistake "influencer" for "influenza" because they mixed up サ and ザ is being a disingenuous faggot or a paid shill. It's such an amateur mistake it never should have made it into the final game and it calls every other translation choice into question.
>>737607079>no nipple eyes
>>737607176>the line where they mistake "influencer" for "influenza" because they mixed up サ and ザJesus.
>Dragonbaby localization company>Sweet baby exists or existedWhat the FUCK is this freaks obsession with babies
>>737606345denpa is about japanese sentiment towards globalization where people feel disconnected or alienated from reality, and it is difficult to feel it if you're a weeb in a country responsible for it. So I think they included lgbt/political stuff to induce those feelings onto playersthat is a good localization if the players are harshly reacting to it
>>737604396This will keep happening as long as the Japanese developers and publishers don't notice.Email them.Blow up their socials. Otherwise they will have no idea.Just posting on /v or Xwitter won't do anything.
Stop giving them attention and they'll die.
>>737607176>>737607231[japanese_ja] インフルエンサーっていつもそうですね……![english_en] just like influenza lolz![korean_sa] 인플루언서는 늘 이 모양이었어……![spanish_la] ¡Los influencers siempre son así...![french_fr] Toujours pareil avec les célébrités du net... ![german_de] Typisch Influencer...![italian_it] Gli influencer sono sempre così...![portuguese_ptbr] Influencer é sempre assim...![russian_ru] Инфлюeнcepы вeчнo тaкиe...!
>>737604396i play games in english because i expect a better translation, should i play it on portuguese (my native language) now or is this an outlier?
>>737607337>should i play it on portugueseyes
>>737607280that won’t work either, they’ll just go>LOL STUPID GAIJINand toss it in the trash, there needs to be a jap that brings the message back home
>>737607176localization is about not giving an accurate translation, it is about inducing the same feelings that japanese people felt
>>737607183This clip never fails to get a kek out of me after all this time.
>>737607389Defeatist attitude. I know AI is slop but all you have to do is plug your message into Claude and you can pretend to be a Jap, especially if you provide the examples that reviews have already provided for you.
>>737607337Yes.I started setting most of jarpigs to spanish because of this shit.
>>737607337>portugueseYes, much better
>>737607337They translated wwww to kkkk, so at least that's accurate.
>>737607176It's interesting how you think that's the final straw and not the multitude of full on rewrites like changing "yamero" to "END FASCISM". Like if mixing up influencer and influenza was the only mistake it'd honestly just be kinda funny.
>>737607875It proves they are BOTH malicious and incompetent.
>>737607392no fucking way
>>737607875You should learn to read English first so you can understand English communication before drawing completely incorrect conclusions. The point of my post is plainly stated so you don't have to make up what you think I think.
>reviews still at very positiveanglos are so cucked, if a chink TL pulled something even half as bad it would be at mixed already
>>737608047You will also notice most of the positive reviews are just shitposts while the negative ones actually have substance.
>>737608047>BELIEVE THE POSITIVE REVIEWS SAAR THEY ARE NOT BOTTED SAAR
>>737607989Admittedly I kinda misread your post, but anyone who was already defending any of the other stuff was already being disingenuous. You didn't need a small silly mistake to know the translation was completely wrong.
>>737608047I guess something about them is still working because I just opened the store page, scrolled down to look at them, and the top most helpful review is bashing the translation and has almost 1700 people saying it's helpful. I'd say that's the second worst outlook, after a mixed or negative overall score.
>>737607245You know already, it's still the answer even if it's unpleasant
>>737604926This is probably the most dogshit translation I've ever seen
Eurofags and Brazillians always bringing America up, stay obsessed as fuck
https://x.com/QDenpaReceivers/status/2047925545770561671https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2914150/view/502856256328827730Gamergate won.
>>737609928>In addition, while a detailed schedule has not yet been finalized, we plan to review all in-game text alongside our localization partners in the near future and make sure the final product fully represents my vision. >All of the Japanese text was written and crafted by me personally and I also worked very closely with our localization teams in English from the very start to create a version that represents my vision for Yunyun and Qtie's world. The scenario itself is something I carefully wove together over a long period of time with my own thoughts and emotions included in it deeply.>The characters are like my own precious children to me,I haven't been keeping up with the suicide rate but it's about to shoot up by 1%
>>737609928
>>737610061If the plan is to rewrite a bunch of isolated lines that people are laughing at of it's not going to be actually fixedThe problem isn't that "yamero" in translated as "end fascism" for some reason (which is bad but fundamentally if there were like 5-10 baffling translation decisions you could just ignore it), it's that the tone is completely off. It's like the localizer completely misunderstood what the game was supposed to be about (2000s internet culture/denpa) and instead rewrote it all to sound exactly like his tranny discord server instead.
>>737610189>In addition, while a detailed schedule has not yet been finalized, we plan to REVIEW ALL IN-GAME TEXT alongside our localization partners in the near future and make sure the final product fully represents my vision.emphasis mine, it's not like the post is that long to read, geez
>>737610189Judging by >>737610060 the guy who made the game takes it very seriously so I assume he's going to whip those fags really hard into sticking to the game's actual theme.
>>737607176>>737604926I legitimately believe the game developer should be able to successfully sue a translator for something like this. Imagine if you had a house built and the foundation was done incorrectly. You would 100% have grounds to sue. How is this any different? The dev is losing tangible money because someone lied about their credentials. Japanese government should demand the English translator appear in court under charges of fraud.
so is the game moddable
Localizers are retarded.They choose to work for peanuts. They have AI freely available online, literally capable of doing 95% of their job for them. And they still can't help but shoot themselves in the foot, for the sake of a temporary ego boost.
>>737610189The problem is the developer is not paying for a translation. The developer is paying for a "localization" and that makes things far, far more legally grey.
The dev team noticed and is now on full panic mode, they said they will change everything they find by tomorrow and they made a google forms asking for more examples to fix.If you wanted to fuck with the trannies and ruin their messed up localizations, now is your time:https://forms.gle/cifcvFuKYkgaYHyX9
>>737610554Meant for >>737610437
>>737604396I don't understand weebs, you play games for trannies and then act surprised when the people translating them end up being trannies as well?
>>737610060>"we plan to review all in-game text alongside our localization partners in the near future">Didn't fire their localization team instantly after realizing they're incompetent and politically driven>Does the opposite by giving them more money to review their fuckups instead of hiring competent translators Yeah, nah, fuck this dev.
>>737610664>>Didn't fire their localization team instantly after realizing they're incompetent and politically drivenIt's not their localisation team, it's an outsourced American company. You can't fire a contractor that already did work and got paid for it.
>>737604396The website of the head of localization for dragonbaby
>>737610664>>737610786at the very least the trannylator team has ensured that they won't be getting work ever again if any jap dev googles them and finds out about this
>and I also worked very closely with our localization teams in English from the very start to create a version that represents my vision for Yunyun and Qtie's worldhuh so the dev saw that and thought it was fine?
>>737604926this is why you gatekeep your shit from bluesky users
>>737609928>SKG won>GG won
>>737604396https://steamcommunity.com/games/2914150/announcements/detail/502856256328827731
>>737610664The localization team is the publisher Alliance Arts(WSS)'s pet. Not much the dev can do unless he wants to change publisher, that it would take too long.
>>737610920The problem is localizers have been spreading this lie to Japanese developers for decades and Japanese developers just trust them because this sort of bullshit is completely unheard of in any other translation industry. It's only English localizers who have been so deeply infected with this virus. He was probably told something along the lines of "This is what you have to do for the English audience. This is what they want. They'll love this."
>>737610826What is it with these types and babies?
Yunyun was literally localized by the exact same company as Needy Streamer Overload and they had the same editorial decisions back then as this game:>replaced japanese references with english-language equivalents>replaced 2000s japanese internet lingo with modern western slangThe difference? This time the localizer made the mistake of mildly calling out fascism so now the chuds are sabotaging Steam reviews and harassing the translators.
>>737610920Dude has to MTL shit to write in English so I'd guess he told the localizers what his shit meant and they just went "ah yeah OK we got that you fucking slant eyed piece of shit"
>>737605512>they were all done by AI.That's positive.
>>737611127Almost like inserting your own ideological changes is a more grievous insult to the original work than jokes, huh, who would have thought?
>>737611115
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2914150/discussions/0/805723552519045913/Uhhhh bros?
>>737611127>augh why wont you just let us make everything political??Kill. Your. Self.
this game looks like trooncore garbage anyway
>>737611242Phoenicians came from the same area Israel is right now. Funny how that works. Cato was right but he didn't go far enough.
>>737611363>heroine is a shark teeth schizo with big boobs>omg trooncoremeds
>>737610920Was probably using google translate to communicate with them, or the localizer's handlers (ain't no way these incompetents have the savvy to be a contractor on their own). May have been told this is what you have to do to appeal to western audiences these days, and simply permitted the "experts" he hired to follow their own advice.I'll give 'em the benefit of a doubt, over the certain caste of translators that we all know deliberately hide, and misconstrue things until it's too late.
>>737610826I can't unsee it now, he looks like he was made in a lab.
>FAKE OUTRAGE: THE THREADfuck off pol
>>737611215>>737610061it is about internet culture on a social kedia site for women, do you weebs seriously expect them to speak like 4channers instead of tumblrites?
Any other industries where a professional can do his job completely wrong and still be employed?
>>737604926Worst localization I've ever seen, which is actually a pretty impressive feat.
>>737611632Hollywood as long as you're a jew.
>>737611127It's really bizarre that it's the same team. Maybe they got uppity.
>>737611632government
>>737611551lol tranny
>>737611630We expect them to speak like niconico users.
>>737611672>Be one of the 4 clock tower fags left>Somehow fucking suzi managed to voice one character But why? This tranny didn't even know this existed LMAO
>>737611127>Needy Streamer OverloadNah even the title is wrong, it's Needy Girl Overdose. Fucking subcreature localizers.
>other languages are LE AIEh, I'm iffy about that. Reading the snippets of the Italian translation it seems hand made. AI can't really comprehend the nuance between Basta/smettila and 5/10 I asked it to translate Yamero in Italian it gave one then the other.
>>737610920Localizers have been known to lie to their clients about what the English-speaking audience wants for years. I don't doubt that their clique convinced the dev that they were honestly using English-internet equivalents that people want in a rhythm game about an otaku NEET with 20+ year old Touhou music and Nico Nico Douga memes.
>>737611740Localization is not a translation. A lot of comedy related Japanese media like Shin chan and Bobobo is localized the same way because people wouldn't understand its meaning.
>>737606146Imagine making something and then someone basically takes it and transforms it into thislol lmao
>>737611842>Localization is not a translationCorrect."Localization" is a hack job.
>>737611782The fact that the other languages missed a reference here or there, and that none of them got the Rance reference perfectly are absolute proof that it's not AI. That's just cope from people who defend every kind of localization like it's their religion.
Why does it seem like there's no passionate translation companies, that aren't plagued by mental illness and identity politics.Is it just that a degree in language ain't worth it? That there's simply more lucrative ways to profit off being a translator, than doing indie anime games? So nobody with self-respect and rent due does it?Do the video gamey gigs have to rely on DEI tax breaks, loans, and grants from the government and other consultancy company schemes, to remain 'profitable?'
>>737611842Localization is just shitty translation >people wouldn't understand its meaningGood.
>>737610826The guy is actually so insane he even defended himself on the steam forum using the nickname "internet vampire". Now that user is all quiet, maybe too busy having a meeting to listen to complaints from the dev.
>>737611630The only thing I fucking expect of a translator is to faithfully translate the text. If I wanted localizations of everything foreign to be Americanized then I'd just fucking consume American media. Which I and many others don't . Because it's fucking cancer.
>>737611842>Localization is not a translation.This but unironically. It's not a translation, it's essentially fanfiction.
>know game will be translated in other languages including Spanish (a language which 20% of the US speaks and more than 50% at least understands>still tries pulling a sneaky oneThe incompetence is baffling
>>737611632Middle management and government occupations.
Just looked this game up and it looks like a tranime game so why is anyone surprised at this?
>>737611935I think that's an FtM tranny.
>>737611921if the bar is so low why can't /v/ros make their own translation company
>>737611842
>>737611936>>737611927>>737611885You should read it japanese then
>>737612110I can't read Japanese. That's why I rely on TRANS LATIONS
>>737612057translation != localization
>>737612057Nabokov was a lolcow
>>737604396americans created everything you take for granted, subhuman.
>>737612110You still haven't answered why every other language except English is faithfully translated but English isn't.
>>737612141I know>>737611885
>>737611127>2000s japanese internet lingoYou mean what anybody who's interested in this game would already be deeply familiar with?
>>737611782AI actually does know the difference>What Italian word best fits やめろ>the Italian word that best fits the Japanese やめろ (yamero) is Smettila.I think the problem is that you're asking it to translate in a vacuum. The translation could've been AI-assisted as well.
>>737612132If you want the full culture and overall nuance, you need to read it the original language. A lot of idioms and figurative languages are lost in translation when exported overseas, and they don't have the same impact as localizations do here.
>>737612110As someone who read Japanese, this has always been a retarded argument. Translate it correctly, nerd.
lol at weebs complaining about their own kindbeing a western game only chad I don't have to deal with this shit
>>737604396>>737604926>>737607176>english localizers are retarded paycheck thievesHuh. So just business as usual eh?
>>737612268>their own kindThese people are younger than the references they're overwriting
>>737612227>If you want the full culture and overall nuance, you need to read it the original languageThat's the case for every language. You could go further and make an argument that in order to fully experience what the author was trying to say you'd need to have lived in the same time period, country and social class.But since that's impossible just do your job and translate.
>>737612110Give me furigana and I will.
>>737612268Yeah your games are already full of what the lolcowlizers try to put in from the start
>>737612268The localiser cannot be a weeb for localisers have no respect for the source material.
>>737605707I've been banned from virtually every discord server I've tried to get involved in (twitch streamers, Warhammer) because some fucking tranny always comes along with some sob story about how they want to kill themselves and how I am literally a rapist for finding them annoying.
>>737612290I'm genuinely curious how these companies are formed and being hired.It's definitely through some middleman.
>>737606327>See the colour purple>Think that means trans And they say this isn't just mental illness.
>>737612353roflliterally nobody in the west wants a job translating gook games except weebsthe non-weebs are doing things like translating proper books and films and not translating retarded incel shit for losers
>>737610920Basically, he's backtracking now because of the backlash.>made game for troons>people WHO DON'T BUY THE GAME are mad about the troonslation>now trying to pander to those people WHO DON'T BUY THE GAME
>>737604926The nico nico one is based tho
>>737609928>Machine translation statement is completely readable and gets the point acrossJust translate the entire game with AI at this point...
>>737607392>all your base are belong to us
>>737612037Because that would actually take effort whereas shitposting takes none. Anons rarely put their money where their mouth is despite talking big.
>>737612537AI translation might miss some nuances at times but I've never had a genuine misunderstanding while using it. And at least it doesn't actively commit vandalism.
>>737604926Wait, is it actually this easy to become an English translator?
>>737612178>these 'translations' are not English, they are homelessHoly shit this explains exactly how I feel about many ways localizers use to translate honorifics, but could never put into words myself. I hate having to back-translate some random gibberish into 'gyaru' or 'onee-sama' to actually know what it means.
>>737612537AI is unironically better than localizers.
>>737610826xir looks retarded
>>737609928>"I'd cut my uterus out"What the actual fuck, this translator scammed the fuck out of them.
No idea why the American public is convinced they need things to be "localized", here in Italy manga and anime has been rife with translator's notes ever since we adopted the reverse reading in the 90s. Is it because of how "new" japanese media is in the US comparatively?
>>737610920>I have been working closely with our translator>But I also need to use a translator to write this messageGee I fucking wonder
>>737612686It's all in the culturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYdPf-WEnnA
>>737612178Reading the ending to that reminded me of how they destroyed the English translation of one of the mangas I was reading by making the MC trans because it causes all major conflict of some of the later chapters to make no sense, and makes translating a lot of the dialogue impossible.
>>737611127The proper title and the title everywhere aside for the US Release of the game is Needy Girl Overdose btw.
>>737604396>americansCalifornians.
>>737612686japanese media has been getting this treatment for ages anon. ever heard about jelly donuts in the pokemon anime?the only problem is it's gotten worse over timeback then it was>dumb it down for retarded kidsnow it's also>add memes that weren't in the original>add leftist propaganda that wasn't in the original>remove sexualization or problematic dialogue that wasn't in the originalalthough I guess that last one is also somewhat old, I've heard of old VNs and dating sims where the characters are 'college students' in the localized version
>>737612686Americans hate learning
>>737612614>thread about bad localization>"SEE, IT'S JUST LIKE THIS TIME" >posts an actually good translationThis is why I can't get all that heartbroken about END FASCISM. It's nutcases on both ends.
>>737612793>I've heard of old VNs and dating sims where the characters are 'college students' in the localized versionThat's because it's straight illegal to sell cp in the west.
>>737612784californians are american>b-but!californians are american, take responsibilty you nigger faggot
https://www.dragonbaby.jp/>Site has versions for English and Japanese Japanese> Corporate information >What is Dragonbaby? >Corporate philosophy >Service >Company Profile English>The answers>Who (are Dragonbaby?)>What (do we even do?)>Which (goblins came up with this idea?)>Why (are we doing it?)>How (much does it cost?)>Where (are we?)>When???And here, one of the sections in the EN version>Dragonbaby was founded with a human heart and to this day is transgender-led, fully supporting inclusion and representation for all. Our team also stands proudly at the forefront of #TranslatorsInTheCredits and exists as an alternative to the rampant greed and sloppification of our industry.
>>737612805>good translationWhere did the normies come from?
>>737612409The only way I can see it, is if they have some greater sponsor company that contracts them under predatory terms. I'm talking pennies paid on the word. Low hourly wage. no retirement benefits. Company healthcare provided only while they're actively working on something. And then said company takes a big chunk portion of each commission, despite maybe only being liable for the setup and contract paperwork.At the end of the contract? Maybe these people go back on state run unemployment for months at a time. Until the next job gets thrown their way.'Cus there ain't no way in hell these people are capable of running a profitable business on their own. Unless they're all bleeding their parents money from being a nepobabby.
>>737612686Additionally, there's no such thing as a "localization", it's just translation and always referred to as such.
>>737604396Reminder that transgenderism was invented in America.
>>737612805The translation is terrible. It misses the entire joke/wordplay with the Shy Guy and makes up nonsense for when you go back to see him.
>>737612841Where in the name of Christ do Japanese devs fucking find these abhorrent localization groups?
>>737612936Cheapest possible option I assume
>>737612841>exists as an alternative to the rampant greed and sloppification of our industry>Actively vandalises someone else's workAnd I bet they're really proud about it too.>>737612936In this case, they didn't. It's their publisher pulling the string.
>>737612858>it translates to "Jelly Donut" goy stop noticing, there's no need to differenciate.
>>737612793I miss the old days
>>737612841>Fully supporting the inclusion of allBut you know, if you refuse to dye your hair and suck cocks, you probably won't get hired. Also if you don't have a mental illness and are just normal, well sorry you need to be a broken freak in some way to get hired here.
>>737612841Oh my god this is just that SweetBaby shit again
>>737612841>PartnersJesus christ
>>737613007The old days are still here. Don't worry.
>>737612936There's probably some big sponsored western companies that have a monopoly on the contracts. And then hires third party contractor groups to fulfill them all.So they don't have to take on liabilities, pay these bottom feeders a salary, retirement benefits, healthcare, a liveable wage, etc.
>>737612841oops, I'm retarded and deleted the equivalent in jp. No hashtag. no mention of transgenderism 弊社の基盤は人の心を大切にする姿勢です。ダイバーシティ&インクルージョンを重視し、自動翻訳の普及がもたらす質の低下に抗い、お客様やエンドユーザーに新たな選択肢を示す存在であり続けます。
>>737604396EOPs don't deserve good translations.
How is this not vandalism
>>737613139>t. localizer
>>737613090>Translation so bad it killed the director
>>737612908The wordplay doesn't even work with the AI's translation thoughie.
>>737612805>normies>>737613007I miss torrenting fansubs...
>>737612480How do you explain that every language but English is fine, then
>>737613159It does. あっちいけ means "go away" but it also literally means "go over there," which is how the Shy Guys refer to the regular world. It's a hint on how to solve the puzzle, but it sounds like he's telling you off.
>>737613159>tells you to beat it (get lost)>you BEAT the miniboss and it opens >wordplay doesn't work???
>>737612841>literal trannylatorslmao
>>737613260In this case, he's telling you to go to the real world to beat down the posts, which gets rid of them in the reverse world. The AI cleverly accounted for this by adding "beat it" to preserve the hint.
>>737613223Hilarious how it gradually shows its true color
>>737612360You are even less self-aware than trannies, congratulations.
So how's the transcord handling the recent statement?
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2914150/view/502856256328827730>All of the Japanese text was written and crafted by me personally and I also worked very closely with our localization teams in English from the very start to create a version that represents my vision for Yunyun and Qtie's world. The scenario itself is something I carefully wove together over a long period of time with my own thoughts and emotions included in it deeply.>The characters are like my own precious children to melmao wut?
>>737613223Ugh, that dialogue is just so plain. Can somebody spice it up for me?
>>737613369>I also worked very closely with our localization teams in English from the very start to create a version that represents my vision for Yunyun and Qtie's worldSurely he must be joking.
>>737613369He got scammed, why do you think he used mtl to post that
>>737613369He's doing extreme damage control because he never actually had any communication with the English team.
>>737613403>AI completely ignores the misspelled いたしましたAnother easy W for humans
>>737613007[INAUDIBLE]
>>737613350Shut the fuck up you crybaby autistic faggot.
>>737606327
>>737613481>AI cleverly rearranges words so as to avoid making the text appear typo'd>human creates fake sentence out of shameAI wins again, damn.
>>737610517That's what I find baffling about all this. They really can't help but make everything about themselves. I don't get it. Especially in a work environment. This is not your property to mess with. It's someone else's work. If you want to scream about trans rights or other political bs do it in your own fucking work. Why aren't they held accountable for all of this crap?
>>737610517Because it's about the message.
>>737605707>official game discord is full of tranniesImagine my shocl
Why are people way more receptive to AI translation than AI art?
>>737604396leftoids would be absolutely fine with what trump is doing if he was on their side
>>737613369Either he's a retard, or they tricked him, or it's just the Japanese humility thing where they don't want to publicly act disrespectful towards othersPick your poison. I hope it's 2 or 3.
>>737613369>All of the Japanese text was written and crafted by me personally>The scenario itself is something I carefully wove together over a long period of time with my own thoughts and emotions included in it deeply.This is a perfect example of what Toby Fox was avoiding when refusing to translate Deltarune into Spanish. And so soon after that controversy, too.
>>737613608There are good artists, there aren't any good translators
>>737613608Less uncanny + artist are crybabies.
>>737613369>>737613451>>737613480I'd say that's more something that was fucked up by AI translation.>My name is Fuyuki Hayashi (WHO YOU), the creator of Yunyun Syndrome!? Rhythm Psychosis. As this is an urgent matter, please allow me to communicate via machine translation.Either that or he never actually had contact with this localization team, because despite how much he seems to care about the work, those fags didn't respect it one bit.
>>737613369My guess is he asked them for memes, lots of memes, but being a nip he had no context for what generation the memes are from and they didn't care to explain.
>>737613608>Why do people like AI computing pi vs eating a pie with a recipe written by AI?
>>737613608Probably because we had translation tech for a while now and LLMs are literally made to work with languages and shit
>>737613608LLMs came from Google's work on Google Translate. Attention is All You Need.
>>737612828retard
Machine translation is the future. Rope all the localizers.
>>737613660AI isn't gonna invent a whole ass sentence about him working closely with the localization team. He's clearly running damage control for them so that it doesn't look like he got scammed out of an entire damn script.
>>737611268>in the big thread on the issue one of the devs came in and said "We hear your feedback and we'll talk with our translator team about it" Implying the issue would be addressed. All it amounted to was removing "Skibidi Denpa" and like two other memes while not addressing the actual issues.Skibidi Denpa?
>>737606146On the one hand I remember old 4chan and I don't really question how there's a subsection of the people from them who ended up like that, but what I'm confused about is the lack of like, growth in that time.I'm interested in the game because I lived during the era of the shit its referencing being culturally referenced, I would assume most of the rest of the audience is interested for the same reason, so they must be around 30.Or I guess it's a bunch of kids idolizing older internet culture?
>>737613608>Large Language Model
>>737613369Sounds like he's still trying to salvage it I'll just wait for a fan patch instead.
>>737613762Amen, brother.
>>737613794AI however will mix things up and create meaning where there isn't any. Don't tell me you've never used Google Translate before.
>>737604396>>737604926>https://www.dragonbaby.com/lmao
>>737604926>>737604396>FateRetarded series for retarded people
>>737613492Keep getting banned "for no reason" from every community you interact with until the day you kill yourself, you absolute retarded mongoloid
>>737613868I use it all the time. I also iterate and triple check.
>>737613868Depends on the AI and model used, but it's highly unlikely it hallucinated that sentence if he's just translating.
>>737612608You also have to cut your dick off.
>>737613657Roguetranslator was good
>>737605269>why do they do this shit?America being "rebellious" against the dreaded, evil Authoritarianism™ has been part of its identity for its entire, relatively brief existence, so they perform rebellion against whatever evil Authoritarian™ ideology is in vogue at the moment (in their tiny minds, at least) in order to conform. Don't point out that they are just as Authoritarian™ as whatever they're criticizing this week; you may as well point out a crack in a brick wall, to the wall itself.
>>737613907ok tranny faggot
>>737612037That would be so funny. Or maybe a fixer company? Doing all the work is hard but trashing existing translation and doing it better is easier
>>737613868Nah, as someone who uses ChatGPT to translate customer tickets often, AI translation is pretty fucking good and I haven't had a single misunderstanding over intent. Of course, context matter and I'm not going to say it's perfect, but the issues aren't as prevalent as (((localizers))) would like to have you believe and it won't be actively vandalising or "punching up" someone's work.
>>737606549
>>737613608Because translation is simply a service.
>>737613369He doesn't speak English. He probably talked with one of their reps in Japanese who assured him everything was going ok.
>>737613868Yeah, it's ironic that people want to use AI translations to replace localizers AI does practically the same thing with its predictive text, including the times when it gets the wrong idea and goes completely off-base.
>>737612446lmao you're clearly a retard, they're translating games to ruin the hobbies they dislike. These are the same category of mentally ill activists that think lewd games make people commit sucide because of how ugly they look irl in comparison.
>>737614146Good thing he can speak to the localizers in Japanese then
>>737610920If he said that then fuck that dev he's complicit and just as bad as the actual psychos trying to ruin jap to eng localizations, I hope he gets a stroke and dies
>>737613907Oh no the mentality ill tranny freaks banned me from their echo chamber of autism how will I cope?
>>737614154A good translator is still better than AI, but a good AI model that gets prompted to do a faithful translation is better than a malicious translator.
>>737612805you're a retard who thinks there's 2 sides.there's 1 group of psychos trying to ruin the hobby 1 group of pathetic bootlicking losers like you who probably spends all day on gamingcirclejerk and everyone else who wants you to fuck off and die
>>737613868Google translate is NMTGen AI is far more reliable than the dogshit that Google spent over a decade ruining
do we know who the trannylator is?
>>737613608If someone expresses themselves with a pretty picture, then that person is an artist. If someone expresses themselves with a translation, then that person should die.
>>737612841Alright, who's making the steam group?
>>737614362>>737610826>>737612841
>>737613369hopefully this isn't just corpospeak and they'll actually get someone to root out all the shit translations
>>737614423fucking lolwhy do they always look like thisyou just know the translation will be shit just by looking at her
>>737614189lol. lmao.
>>737613608the anti ai art crowd is filled with talentless losers who always fall back on the soulful and artist intent arguments when they can't even tell real art from AI. The only justifiable argument against Ai art IMO is that it's entirely beneficial to the companies without consumers receiving price cuts or better/more content despite how much it trims down the workload.
>>737613891stein-time.gif
>>737614475>herwtf
as someone who has spent time and effort in learning nip and gotten into translating some works myself, I find it very frustrating when people disrespect japanese works by practically taking over and replacing the script with their own ideas, beliefs and agendas. if you have no respect for these works, how did you ever get into japanese in the first place? I'm not that great myself, but any mistake I would make is a completely different matter than blatantly ignoring the source and just writing whatever I please.
>>737613087yeah this is why I stopped buying japanese games, fuck those companies for hiring trannylators instead of some reputable translators that don't mess with the script
>>737612360have you considered telling them to just kill themselves then and to stop polluting your eyes with their cry messages.
>>737614526looks like a ftm troon
>>737614154AI is a million times better than any localizer and rarely screws up meaning.
>>737613891How does it keep happening
I just find it funny that when machines came for the factory workers and the farmhands and the fast food/retail checkout monkeys these people were like "learn to code chuds" but as soon as machines come for art they're like NOOOO THATS ILLEGAL
>>737614154Ai doesn't translate yamero as END FASCISM
>>737613369So he's a japan supremacist who can't be bothered to localize the game because english faggots are 3rd class serfs who deserve to be shat on and can't understand his excellent vision and all translations were signed off BY him.
>>737613945 (and the other replies)Yeah and the dev didn't do it because it was urgent. He just slopped that message up, didn't double check for inconsistencies and then published it to calm people down.Hell, he even contradicts himself like immediately before that line:>we plan to review all in-game text alongside our localization partners in the near future and make sure the final product fully represents my vision. >All of the Japanese text was written and crafted by me personally and I also worked very closely with our localization teams in English from the very start to create a version that represents my vision for Yunyun and Qtie's world. If he's going to review the whole translation with the localization retards, then how did he already work very closely with them to make something that represents what he wanted?>>737614154The thing about AI translation (or AI anything, really) is that it can only be good after double, triple, whatever-checking the results. If you just slop it up and send the first result you get then there's no guarantee of anything.
### IMPORTANT NEWS ###Daiz weighs in. It's over. Dragonbaby is finished.
>>737613138Ah, the Thomas Lockley trick.
>>737611842Localization should be considered a crime.
>>737614154AI translations actually translates and you can manually edit it afterwards, unless you think they use the raw unedited outputs without any review.These trannyslators aren't localizations it's literally a rewrite just for use as a tool in their goddamn activism.
>>737614715rewrites merit the death penalty. I want them to suffer.
>>737614697>DaizHaven't heard that nigger's name in years...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpHQWN162MM
>>737614560One of my personal rules to live life by is that you should be polite no matter who you're dealing with. To hold your tongue and voice your issues like an adult is much better than to create some scenario where you make everything about someones difference to you.We would all get along better if we were more honest about why we hate each other, not forcing people we disagree with out and being hypocritical.
>>737614697>steins gate reference changed to a mr robot referenceThis is an anti-localization. I'm a weeb. I know what steins gate is. I don't know what mr robot is.
>>737614697Dragonbaby better publicly apologize for this
>>737614697Holy shit this guy still exists.
>>737614697who?
>>737614840
>>737614663desu personally i liked this lineis the game really supposed to be set in 00s?
>>737613369I fucking called it when I saw that it was the same localisation company (and in many cases the same staff) behind NSO who clearly know how to do the translation properly, the only sane explanation is that they had a different set of project guidelines i.e. in this case the original creator breathing down their necks telling them to fuck it up as part of the spec.
>>737613223Thats really the endpoint here>Gamers: We want the translation of the original script>Localizer: I know better than the author so I will make it my ownKilling localizers should become legal
>>737614782I've been like that for most of my life, and you know what i've realize? when people are literally spitting in your face and insulting you, maybe you shouldn't be giving people like them the benefit of the doubt anymore.Its better to just assume the worst of a group unless proven otherwise because if the positions were flipped they'd want you dead. I'm not saying to insult them outright but always keep it in the back of your head and don't think everyone's out to get along chances are you're 1 involuntary tic away from them wanting to dox and murder you
>>737614873It's set in 2012, the character just grew up in the 00s.
I watch some japanese tv programs with ai subs, they are mostly correct and if something is wrong then if you know some japanese you will just hear the correct line and fix the translation in your head, even with mistakes it's way better experience than trannylated subs talking about fascism and fucking capitalism, can't wait for someone to figure out how to easily replace subs with ai subs in every game
>>737614697I thought this nigga was dead
>>737614893No. Spend two seconds looking at their website. This garbage is what they want to do to every game. So what actually happened is they had less oversight and couldn't control themselves.
>>737614870So he is usually pushing the pro-localization line? With how usually localization-defenders act like a mob, and defend anything one of their own is responsible for, even if they privately think it sucks, this is evidence that here localizers really went too far.
>>737614893NSO was their trojan horse title to build reputation to then fuck up as many future games as possible.
>>737604396What we need to learn to do is simple. Even if you REALLY want to play a game, if it has a shitty translation, you buy it, leave a review saying "bad translation", then refund. The last part is very important here. Have some self-control.They will have to notice, if 50+% of English reviews look like this.Also, we who know Japanese should do the same saying that "I'm not going to give money to these translators, since I'm not even playing in English" except in Japanese.>>737611842>people wouldn't understand its meaningIf only people had a small device handy that they could use to quickly look up information. But that would mean they could learn something about other cultures, god forbid.
>>737610281Nothing is going to change if they have the same trannies review all the lines
>>737614893i blame them both, the original creator is either lying in the press release and literally didn't give a shit about the localization process but is now pretending he was involved to save face. Or he's just a Jap retard who unironically thought ya americans know americans better this will be better and let his game gets bastardize either way Fuck the original dev and fuck the translators.
>>737615021>What we need to learn to do is simple. Even if you REALLY want to play a game, if it has a shitty translation, you buy it, leave a review saying "bad translation", then refund.I was just skipping buying the games but I might start to buy just to refund and leave a negative review. Otherwise retarded companies will never notice trannylators fucked up their game.
>>737614923Yes some people are actually horrible, but when you're hopefully in your 80s and reflecting on your life and the people that you hated, you'll probably think of, they were just really, really emotionally hurt and needed support.Of course, if they're being physically violent that's entirely different.
>>737614995Pretty much, he was very infamous on /a/ (coincidentally around the year this game is set in) for pushing localization, uncommon encoding formats and some other shit into anime fansubbing that most people didn't like.
>>737615053>the original creator is either lying in the press release and literally didn't give a shit about the localization processIt's definitely this
>>737610517>>737613549This is exactly why these people get into game localization, though. If they really wanted to, if they REALLY tried, they'd get into translating things that actually pays them. They accept lower wages to influence culture. They may be perpetually renting an apartment in LA, but they get immense satisfaction at the notion that they can control cultural discourse in some way.
>>737615061>skipping buying the gamesThe problem with this approach is, companies will look at the file in Excel and say "westerners don't want to play Japanese games any more, let's stop wasting money on translations".Just make sure to not buy-refund too often, because then Valve may refuse your refund request.
>>737606549>25 years oldyou don't get a job like this at that age without some heavy nepotism
>>737613608
>>737612857>Unless they're all bleeding their parents money from being a nepobabby.Which is more likely the case. Political activism has always been a rich man's game. Regular people are too bussy paying bills and making sure civilization runs smoothly and whatever spare time they have is spent on doing bread and circuses.
>>737615053Or the more obvious option>The localizers lied to him and were adding agendas without letting him knowOnce a tranny gets in any position of power they will exploit it until they run it into the ground
>>737614995No, because pro and anti localization isn't a binary choice. He's against stuff like inline TL notes and keeping honorifics in non-Japanese settings which is why people throw him into the pro localization bucket he's never been in favor of retarded shit like total fanfic rewrites or badly fitting zoomzoom lingo
>>737613608Translation can be boiled down to strict application of nearest-neighbor algorithms, and at worst you get an awkward sounding literal translation that doesn't meaningfully change meaning or intent. Also translation isn't attempting to make anything new.
>>737605269Americans are a blight upon humanity and if their global hegemony doesn't get overthrown sooner rather than later our entire species will be too far gone.
>>737615121I've spent most of my life symphatizing and literally being around narcassists and enablers who've physically and verbally assaulted me then made excuses along the lines of they have it rough because dad was abusive, they're just doing it to push you harder, they're getting old and will be married soon, I talked to them and they regret it x infinitum.The idea that you need to think about how people feel is a fantasy. Try doing it for most of your life and you end up where people like me, where you're jaded and questioning why you ever bothered wanting to be an emotional sponge for people who will to your face tell you oh it was just something in the past why are you mad about it while repeating the same thing over and over until you crack and tell them off.You don't need to be in your 80s for that,
>>737615053dude could've missed the mistakes himself. maybe he doesn't know english well. looking through thousands of lines i can see believing that line about fascism is an actual, abeit more frivolous, translation.
>>737615261thats the same as option 1 that he had no oversight.
Maybe you should learn the language and stop relying on translations.
>>737615261>lied to himHe's the one who came out and said he worked closely with them
>>737615337It can be when the context is that it's a response to a character bitching about how the corpo SFW police are basically fascists.
>>737615337This. You expect a eleven to notice that "influencer" and "influenza" are 2 different words?
>>737615368maybe you should get into a civil war and have american trannylator studios get annihilated so the world can heal.
>>737615368i wish i had 5 years to spare
>>737615368>>737614714
>>737607324>every language: influencers>fr*nch: les célébritéslmao, frogs really hate english words
>>737615409I expect him to know what facism means and why all the references to animes are stripped out and replaced by it
>>737615430I passed N1 by studying about 30-60 minutes a day and occasionally reading Japanese stuff in less than two years
>>737615464french is not a real language
>Set up a company to perform a service>Perform said service poorly>People react negatively to your poor service>Routinely spin it as client's problemFor some reason this behaviour is permissible in the localisation field.
Just run it through AI translations nowadays. If a visual novel I want to play is all in Japanese I just run it through Claude and it just works. No need to give a shit about these tranny translators. you could even get Claude to set up a CSV of the Japanese Dialogue line by line for better organization. It's literally what LLMs are made for.
>>737615540Don't look up what they call CD-ROMs.
>>737615484Well he does know. There was a statement posted about it literally 3 hours ago he even specifically pointed out the shit that will be getting removed IMMEDIATELY.
>>737615540magic stick, i don't think there's a translation for wand.The french equivalent to nice to meet you is weird AF too and i speak it sort of.
>>737613891
>>737615621in a press release where he almost certainly lied claiming he worked closely with them, Or that he signed off on the translations and thought it was good.
>>737615368>>737615578trvke you dont even need to learn japanese anymore just run a local llm
>>737615328Well, you don't need to think about how people feel, but you should, and it's the people who are safe, happy and free in life who are capable of that.Im not particularly interested in what most people do with their lives, I cast judgements just as quickly as anybody else, but I just keep it to myself.
>>737615643>i don't think there's a translation for wandBaton? Conductors' batons look like magic wands, for example.
>discord trannyakacertified GAY NIGGAthis post was brought to you by gay nigga affirmations
>>737615368These people do their best now to get involved with the game before it's been released anywhere, as "consultants."
>>737615621Yeah, AFTER everyone made a stink on Twitter and Steamand how nice of him to specifically remove the things specifically pointed out by the trending post while everything else is TBA
>>737615674And we're back to >>737615409He is japanese. The tranny doing the localizing lied to him about it since I very highly doubt in 7 languages including his own native one his vision was to show the character saying a very simple "Stop" but in english its "FUCK TRUMP END FASCISM"You can stop
>>737615702doesn't work well, baton's just another word for stick. like I don't think you can really see it being a word for ward after seeing it used for stuff like cheese sticks.wand has that magic implication by itself.
>>737615796I still blame the dev for his incompetence and signing off on it and you can't stop me
>>737615409damn bro...it's been like 20 years since code geass came out...I feel old...
>>737605707>discord is full of tranniesfork found in kitchen
>>737613608Bro, people, as in ACTUAL people, do not careAI hate was generated by seethiing troons and 'artists' on twatterif you 'hate' AI, you fell for the troon meme
>>737604926>been bitching for hundreds of threads >instead of learning japanese>or pestering these shitty translators >or sending complaints to companies>or doing literally anything that might make things better do you fuckers just want to complain or what?
>pandering to twitter activists complaining about cherry picked screenshots instead of the target audience who was busy playing and having fun with the actual game>target audience now feels alienatedSad
>>737615464A baguette is just a small stick, the bread takes its name from its shape.>>737615643The two most common are>Ravi de vous rencontrerPleased to meet you>Enchanté [de vous rencontrer]Delighted [to meet you]
>>737606146actual, legitimate mental illness
>>737615934Good. Trannies have no place in gaming or anywhere.
>>737615368if the road is built like shit do you fix it yourself or expect workers to do their fucking job correctly retard
>>737615923Bro it's not 2023 anymore. There are some uses for AI that are sensible, but as a whole, it's shat up the internet entirely. Stop gooning to your gens of Princess Peach twerking for five seconds and have a look around.
>>737615970She bought the game, you didn't. Stick to chud shit like Blue Archive and leave the rest of us alone.
>>737615934>Invalid HandleUh oooooooh. Someone had a meltyyyyy.
>>737609928>All of the Japanese text was written and crafted by me personally and I also worked very closely with our localization teams in English from the very start to create a version that represents my vision for Yunyun and Qtie's world. The scenario itself is something I carefully wove together over a long period of time with my own thoughts and emotions included in it deeply.>The characters are like my own precious children to me,LMAO another loss for chuds This was 100% the creator's intention
>>737610826>acclaimed localizer Jeremy Blausteinoh it's that guy who pretty much completely rewrote MGS1 and made Kojimbo so mad that he got fired and cause Kojima to be more involved with the translationshe also said the original script sucked and he's the only reason why the game was well received
>(((Blaustein)))every time
>>737616092It was the creators intention to act completely different only in english and not in: japanese, korean, spanish, french, german, italian, portugese or russian?
>>737609928The game requires either starting over with a new translation team, or AI translations.They're just keeping the same troons (who are very very sorry they got caught) and just changing the most mediatized voicelines.You 100% deserve your game pirated and modded with AI translations.
>>737616170Yes. He himself said so. You can cope and seethe and shit your pants all you want and that won't change >I also worked very closely with our localization teams in English from the very start to create a version that represents my vision for Yunyun and Qtie's world
>>737606146Zero theory of mind, those headcanons are just lazy self-identified traits, every single one of them. It's funny how Discord trannies are just porn addict AGPs, that's all there is to it.
>>737616002lmao case in pointthese types immediately resort to 'gooning' accusations because they project so bad, I do not even use AI to jack offmy point stands - the only ones that seethe about AI art are retards like theseand yeah, retards and jeets are flooding the internet with AI slop, but that's a jeet problemalso, the fact that you USE the areas of the internet where you see AI slop is the defining part of the equationI do not have this problem, because using social media beyond hooking up is unironically for retarded cattlealso, it's not even a problem for me - algos exist, I don't get retarded aislop animal vids because I'm not a 80 year old grandpa clicking on them
>>737616215Interesting. Very interesting how english seems to be the only case and not japanese where he was writing the script in his own, native language.
Someone should make a steam curator to mark games with shit trannylation as not recommended
Is “END FASCISM” really a terrible localization considering the context?
>>737612585It can fuck up pretty hard when translating song lyrics and the like but these are pretty hard in general without the context of actually listening to the song
>>737610437This shit only keeps happening because "translators" can get away with this shit without consequences, the attosecond they're charged with the result of failing at their responsibilities, there's be a gigantic kneejerk reaction from the entire hack network condemning the injustice of being held up to a professional standard.Make it happenLet the rats out themselves
>>737616330what makes you think the context is correctly translated?
>>737616330>fascist working cultureyou have to be terminally online troon to use a phrase like this
>>737616330>But le contextDoes Yamero! Mean end fascism in any way? No? Then it isn't appropriate.
>>737612841>sloppification of our industryIf you've ever complained about "AI slop" you deserve this
>>737612752Could just be MTLit frequently gets confused by this and just switches genders every so often
>>737616002the only people hating ai are westerners mostly leftist talentless losers.
>>737616369>>737616371That's what it says in Japanese too
>>737616248So you just bury your head in the sand and say there are no bad things about AI, because you're not looking at them. Also love how you moved the goal post from "no one has issues with AI," to strictly AI art. Come on, tell me I'm just "poor "because it sucks shit to buy a computer right now. Or that every midwit company in the world is desperately hoping they can get a chatbot to replace any job they can to ensure the line goes up.Also you 100% are jerking it to ChatGPT gens of AI porn. No one defends AI to such a degree unless they get a chemical reward from defending it. You defend AI because it gives you cummies.
>>737616408This is false
>>737616412Case in point. >>737616405
This is what you EOPs deserved. Female characters who called themselves boku or oji-san will be treated as troons and will use they/them pronouns and you'll learn to like it eventually.
>>737616408its cause westerns don't want to use the term "black" company, literally no one but western cunts care about the black v white race war.
>>737607317Contrary to the saying, ignoring them will not make them go away. In fact, they will double down, triple down, quadruple down on their attention seeking until someone finally inevitably pays them attention. It's the wojak method, and it's always guaranteed to work.
>>737616408you gonna say that and not post an image or text?
>>737616330This legit looks like troon-coded game, people are really being obnoxious about the translation of the game they don't even play, what happened to telling troons to go make their own game? Why are you invading their space?
>>737616543"Ignore them" is code for "let people I politically align with do what they want."
>>737616412This has no bearing on the concept of AI translation since translation by definition doesn't generate "original" content. Stick to the topic and stop trying to derail with off-topic nonsense. Same goes for the other guy.
>>737616408>tranny makes the entire thing about fascism>a-actually see t-the context s-says fascism!!Lying troonoid
>>737616592Yeah, sorry, for what it's worth, I actually do think AI translations are a sensible application of the technology.
>>737616412>search engines like google are AI*gasp* how are you going to live with yourself knowing you've been using AI all your life
>>737616559Yes. It literally says "企業ファシズム" in Japanese. I got the true ending in Japanese earlier.
>>737616563all anime is our space. troons are the colonizer. they can assimilate or they can be scalped.
>>737616543all that's needed for evil to thrive is for good people to be goddamn bootlicking slacktivists and do nothing.
>>737616625Making any attempt of equivalence between ai generation of creative content with AI translation is retarded since languages are by their nature datasets and one thing AI excels at is parsing datasets and evaluating them. Authorial intent exists in the pre-translation text already and there isn't a subjective element to proper translation.
>>737615368How does that fix shit translations?
>>737616563The original text has a Rance reference. You may be mistaken about who this game is made for.
>>737616189Yeah. I think it looks cool but I can't touch something so bespoiled by trannies. Hope it gets retranslated.
If this was korea or china we'd be having trucks driven to dragonbaby's office and pies thrown at their office windows.But noo americans are such lazy bums they'll just walk over and step on us again adn again
>>737616330There's no mention of fascism in the Japanese text
>>737616563>vtubers are trooncodedplease kill yourself, stop committing cultural appropriation and claiming everything is yours now. Anime doesn't belong to the troons neither does this game.
>>737616837the retarded truck shit doesn't work see: mihoyo
>>737616412LMAO a LITERAL illiterate peasantchatgpt? It's shitif I jerked off to AI porn, I would go for comfy or swarm at the very least, gpt is bottom of the barrel shitit's not even for jerking off, you can make some kino shit with local llmsalso yes, you are POOR LMAO - self-admittednot even poor - just retarded, you didn't buy 32 gigs of ram and a proper card the moment shitcoins became a thing?I got a second NVMe and HDD for peanuts immediately when stablediff dropped - if you did not see big companies hoarding tech, you are a moronbro I am not even arguing with you or saying anything, you're literally self-reporting and self-roasting and projectingI'm not even defending shit - I am stating the objective truthwhat IS even the problem with AI? You can't browse shitholes like twitter anymore? or are all these jeets generating retarded shit like rhinos crashing into airplanes giving you an aneurysm? did it get in the way of your passive online slop consumption? what a tragedy
>>737611868Evil can never create, only corrupt and destroy what good has made.It's true for all flavors of evil bullshit everywhere. Evil people always latch onto others' things and force themselves in, assert ownership and act like they're entitled to it
>>737615934>invalid handle41% him self?
>>737616881the chinks were even more extreme they sent genuine death threats to mihoyo. Gooks are too slow with their half measures and trucks.
>>737616665Nice try, there is nothing like that in the game at all
>>737604396>Para com issohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZJ_P1DhGrw
>>737616669Dragon ball or Doraemon or isekai harem stories or even Hoyo games that troons love so much aren't for them and they're definitely the invaders, yes.But this one is a new game, their game, they've been there from the start and have all the rights to tell people to fuck off.
>>737616902no wonder americans can't make anything worthwhile for the past decade
>>737606459They are mentally ill so they're literally not able to stop thinking about these things 24/7. I don't even say this to be mean, it's just untreated health issues and it's really fucked up and sad. Read the one line they rewrote as "i'd cut my uterus out if I could", fucking hell man. It's like a cry for help.
>>737616821>You may be mistaken about who this game is made for.I know exactly who it is for and that is 15 year old girls on Tiktok - who are currently having fun playing the game - while you seethe about the translation to a game you have not bought nor have any plans of buying
>>737616665then the english localization is still twisting the meaning
>>737616982this game is not for 15 year olds
>>737616665see >>737616383
>>737616330>fascist working cultureWhat does that even mean exactly?
>>737616941>they've been there from the start and have all the rights to tell people to fuck off.no they haven't troons and retards like you don't have fucking claim over weeb culture and parody games.Please just die already.The troon culture doesn't fucking exist anywhere outside of the mentally ill western containment zones.
>>737616982So the creator included all those references that a 15-year old girl wouldn't get because...?I'll buy it the moment the translation gets fixed, just like I planned to originally.
>>737616982Is this bait?
>>737604396>>737604779>>737605593Fuck, this was Yunyun? I was thinking of getting it because I thought it'd get an old head to translate it, but if all they could get was below the bottom of the barrel they can fuck off.
>>737616982why are you keeping up with 15 year old girls, troon?
>>737617008You've got to take a shower and put on something clean before turning up to the office.
>>737616982then give me back my hardcore rape eroges.Fuck you for ruining the hobby and now claiming everything is urs. this game isn't for 15 year old teen girls, you fucking co-opted it with your garbage translations and wrote out all the weeb culture referenceDO you understand what cultural appropriation is do you? do you?!
you retards really will reply to any bait no matter how retarded and obvious it is, huh
>>737616982Oh okay so the game wasn't made for 15 year old girls. Thanks but I already knew that.
>>737615368>just let them do their thing!Defeatist nigger. You're part of the problem.
>>737617097WTF that's oppression! Why can't I show up with a skirt without washing my dick!
>>737617116I want you grinded into onions green and forcefed to the people working at dragonbabymaybe then they'll stop being POS
>>737617116kinda difficult to know what's bait and what's not when these retards regularly raid /v/ and actually do post shit like that even in their own habitat
>>737616665Whatcha doin' you lying troon?>>Qtie Denpa Antennas are conspiring that company policies around what is or isn't SFW promote a fascist working culture. When does SFW become NSFW? Why is the decision not in the hands of the people?>Q電波受信者による陰謀論「ホウ・レン・ソウは奴隷化のマントラで唱えるたびに自我が崩壊する」が話題だ。SNSでは「身に覚えがある」といった――。>As employees reject the concept of SFW fascism, a new YOLO movement is taking the work force by storm. Cases of businessmen destroying their own office buildings are on the rise―>奴隷化のマントラから解放されたサラリーマンたちが「ゥァア゛ーッ! 弊社ァ!」運動を起こしている。自社ビルを倒壊させるサラリーマンが急増し――。
>>737617002 >>737617049 >>737617083 >>737617106 >>737617120>no you don't get it this is for 40 year old uncs like ME!
>>737611632British Coast Guard
>>737617245Yes, glad you understand now, tranny.
>>737617245yuri isn't actually for lesbians, it's for 30 year old unemployed menyou're underage and a tourist and are trying to corrupt a culture that's not for you
>>737617245Yuri is for uncs but somehow people have convinced themselves that girl x girl is bad and evil woke.
>>737617224even if they're real raiders you still shouldn't respond seriously to them. just tell them to 41% themselves or something, that's like crosses and garlic to the troon
>>737617049trendy ones would recognize them, that's the point>>737617245and aunties. it's for errynyan!
Sad
>>737617245Yuri has always been for men
>>737617287>convinced themselves that girl x girl is bad and evil wokeOnly if they're fugly.
>>737604926kill them irl
>>737604926>>737610437They could possibly sue the faggot, assuming the contract isn't ass backwards retarded and the translator can be demonstrated to have been acting in bad faith. Usually however, there's an agreed upon review period during which the customer can review the result and if they don't complain before X date they're considered to have accepted the translation. Since the game has already released that period is likely long gone, but exceptions are usually made for especially bad fuck ups or deliberate malice. The question is, does the dev care enough and if they do, whether they're willing to go through an overseas legal rigamaroo.
>>737617359That it? Basically a slap on the wrist.
>>737617245You can definitely tell what troons like, and this game's aesthetic is exactly that, but somehow it's not a game for them and they're the invaders?You can literally tell who this was made for at a glance, it's like an otome game with a female protagonist and multiple male love interests on the cover, or BL game with 2 men kissing.
>>737617276dude you rather want [y]our culture die than to allow zgen chicks in?
>>737617479would you rather your mom die than to have her killer wear her skin and walk around in your house?
>>737616665UH OH, WE GOT A LYING TRANNYLATOR IN THE THREAD!Rope thyself and leave this industry, parasite.
>>737617459Have you considered that the game was made for guys who want to fuck the MC?
>>737615368Maybe we should just kill all americans, actually.
>>737613891it's always jews and troons
>>737611635I think this actually dethrones nukitashi as the worst localization ever. That one was wretched but the mental illness on display here puts it on another level. "I'd cut my uterus out" goes so hard.
Holy fuck, you dont know how bad it is until you see the whole thing. Theres not just the 5 or 6 examples ITS EVERYTHING>⊂二二二(^ω^)二⊃ブーン? => The magical girl personas of all your apps, duh.>QQQQQQQ => Heuehue qttiiiee qtie q kew!>令呪で縛らないから => i will NEVER be victimized under fascism again>ゆんゆんにとにかく萌えたからダヨ!萌えの前じゃ、男性向けも女性向けもHLもGLもBLも関係ないよネ! => Bc of Yunyun's amazing MOE! And moe isgenderless! Moe transcends sexuality! Moe is for ALL!>性よりも生を => immortality pls>クソワロタ => ROFL cringe>お兄ちゃんどいてそいつ殺せない => are they fighting to the death?? don't kill my husbando ;-;Again, only in the english one. All 6 others are fineKILL LOCALIZERSHANG LOCALIZERSHOLOCAUST LOCALIZERS
>>737617459The sad part is, you've got a grain of truth in what you're saying. This game absolutely is something the troons would swarm towards. It's just culturally those people wouldn't be troons if we didn't fail them. They'd be normal men with a fetish for lesbians, or maybe are a bit autistic. Instead, the progressive left sought to continue the momentum of gay marriage getting legalized, and made the terrible mistake of lionizing troons in the mid 2010s onward. That's how we got here today.Trump is a retard by the way, but the fags who are instantly going to lump me in with that kike-loving faggot.
>>737617564What the FUCK is the context to the uterus quote? There has to be something, right?
>>737616982>I know exactly who it is for and that is 15 year old girls on TiktokPrime Rance audience, retard.
>>737614936epic
it's a shame english is the global language because these freaks are all from america
>>737617661troons fetishize womin bodies more than straight guys do
>>737617665Only true Rance fans know it's an otome game for women. Stop spreading our dark secrets around niwa.
>>737617737Not even just America. California. I think at best you can stretch it to the west coast, since Nintendo Treehouse is in Seattle.
>>737617661Its something the tranny invented on the spot>[japanese_ja] いらない>[english_en] i'd cut my uterus out if i cld>[korean_sa] 필요 없음>[spanish_la] No lo quiero.>[french_fr] J'en veux pas>[german_de] Brauch ich nicht.>[italian_it] Non lo voglio.>[portuguese_ptbr] Não quero>[russian_ru] He нaдo.6/8 of them its just "I dont need it", the russian is "no need"
>>737614663The nigger/tiktok-speak "bihh" pisses me off more than the rest of it. Fucking tragic.
>>737617763well I don't know about that but they definitely fantasize mutilating them more than straight guys do
>>737617661I imagine it's a response to something else the trannylator made up like this one about "fascist working culture", which doesn't even make sense >>737616330
>>737617661I'll take a wild guess: context is something about having kids, comment says they don't want kids, translator takes so many liberties it gets completely rewritten to fit internalized insecurity about not having kids
>>737617587A lot of it is just references getting missed or thrown away, which is so fucking lazy. Tracking down obscure references was always a fun part of translating this type of media, even with political brainrot aside whoever did this is a soulless husk. I know EXACTLY the feeling of reading a line like>令呪で縛らないからand going "what the fuck does this even mean" then going down a rabbit hole to figure out how it's related to the context at all.Instead they're like I dunno I'll just vibe translate it lol. No, I shouldn't even call it that. AI would've done better. This caliber of slop, only a human can produce.
>>737618037>going down a rabbit holejust ask google's free AI. it's the future unc
>>737616563Trannies function entirely on the male instinct for domination. They take over everything they can and shit all over it. They can't help themselves.
imagine being some jap wanting to translate your game to another language and the cunt decides to pull this shit on you. No wonder the jap government wants to push that law in order to stop butchering of their language
>>737618174It's literally using the translation that failed to do what anon said to feed it the information, it probably wouldn't have given him the answer if he was in charge of translating it.
>>737612828KCD 2 has a sex scene with 16 year old though.
>>737604926americans are a plague, kill every mutt before the cancer that is their """""culture""""" spreads further
>>737612896It was invented in Weimar Germany by a jew named Magnus Hirshfield or something.
>>737618287you are way too late, american cultural imperialism has already taken over most of the world
>>737613549>Why aren't they held accountable for all of this crap?Because they never face consequences for their misdeedsImagine these people were to translate the manual of a delicate, precise and expensive medical equipment, and it resulted on a malfunction, costing at minimum expensive repairs, the loss of a human life. Consequences would catch on them instantly.Have you heard any of this in medicine? Precision/heavy machinery? Thick ass law books? Only in entertainment, where they can simply get away with it, without consequences.Change the stakes, and you change the behavior, stand up to a minimum professional standard or get sued
>>737618037How soulless and incurious zoomies are is legitimately making me want to kill myself. They can't create anything worth appreciating, nor understand what made anything in the past so. I hope we get WW3 just so this nightmare ends.
>>737616914an invalid handle is what happens when you chop your cock off
>>737612841>steinI think... I think I'm noticing something
>>737618254That has always been the case, sadly. It did get worse over the years and more politically charged, but the politically charged stuff just made people start caring about an issue that was already there, and they still ignore every case that doesn't have the political element.Which is their right, I'm not saying they shouldn't care about these, but most people who care only care about fighting the culture war, not translation accuracy.I remember the translator behind FFX, praised at length for his work especially on Vagrant Story and FFXII talking about how he learned about how far is "too far" when it comes to how much he can rewrite the text because he changed a line in a conversation between Tidus and Auron to mirror another conversation with Jecht to show that Tidus was mirroring him, and Nojima straight up calling him out on it and said "that is not what this scene is about" and Nojima explained the scene to him and asked for a rewrite right as they were doing the VA recording.Now imagine if Nojima's level of english was "need machine translation to understand anything at all", would he even notice the narrative implications of changing an exchange to reference Jecht when it didn't before?
>>737618489I'd say this is a Stein's Gate reference but my post would get localized
>>737618174>AI dunking on troon incompetency
>>737618489that's the guy who did MGS1's "translation"he changed everything and says MGS is popular because of him, you can find his schizo rants online. kojima fired him when he learned how much he butchered the game
>>737618502Imagine if the mistranslation had been done by the other side. Actually, has that ever happened?
>>737618174Alright, /v/, since you are the localization experts here:Which translation would you have picked for 嘘松? Note that "that's bullshit" has already been declared haram in the Google Docs people keep sharing.
>>737611921Entertainment media pays in peanutsTherefore, you only get monkeys translating
>>737618656I dont give a fuck. You are not a writer, you do not get to decide if the original author is "wrong" and how you are better than him.Do your fucking job or I will give you a reason to cry for human rights.
>>737618693this
>>737618613no, because wacko archconservatives think anime is made by the devil. they naturally gatekeep themselves from the industry and can only ever pose an external threat.
>>737618730Meanwhile, wacko libtards infested the hobby like cockroaches unfortunately
>>737618693Who said anything about the original author being wrong? We're talking about translating here. Just tell me what the localizer should write for 嘘松 so that Twitter doesn't get mad.
>>737618613There are bad japanese translations, but I haven't come across a "creative rewrite" kind of translation at all. The worst I see tend to be movie subtitles when characters are speaking faster than it would be realistic for someone to read an accurate translation so they go for the gist of it.Still wrong but not malicious.
>>737614697>even Daiz, poster child faggot shill for localization is shitting on itThis is how you know something is deeply wrong.
>>737604396>>7376049261st of retarded devs, they hired these people, their own fault2nd should have hired an insomniac alcoholic to do it or just used ai3rd you all are retarded
>>737618502>That has always been the case, sadlyTrue. Even in the mid/late 90s they did this shit a ton to companies like Square.
>>737618662It's weird how everything we buy is cheaply made awful slop produced by people paid in peanuts, yet there are plenty of people getting paid well to produce things of practically zero value for corporate customers.Like pharmaceutical ads in the US. Who do you think got paid more, the guy who translated this game, or the guy who wrote a commercial advertising a prescription medication for some obscure illness, which cannot be bought directly by anyone watching the ad, and cannot be recommended by any doctor on the basis of having seen an ad, and won't be paid for without the assistance of an insurance company who cannot see the ad?This is why everything is a grift now, doing things of value pays slave wages and careers are built off nothing, so you might as well be a tremendous faggot and scam for a living
>>737613891>Jeremy BlausteinThe voice and translation consultant for Silent Hill 2, 3 and 4, as well as MGS and Castlevania SotN? How far the mighty have fallen
>>737619041>MGS and Castlevania SotNboth were completely inaccurate rewrite slop
>>737617225Both DeepL and jewgle hallucinated Qanon kek.
>>737619002That made more sense when countries were more isolated and internet wasn't a thing. Hell, even in the early 00s jojo was nothing more than "that funny flash animation of the road roller guy".Nowadays companies have no excuse, we even have shit like the Persona games keeping honorifics and other very cultural stuff because they know the fans by now are familiar with the culture.There's no more need for cringe localization when the audience is expected to know shit. A rice ball is a rice ball, every single weeb even knows the word onigiri, you don't need a fascist-coded womb-removing jelly donut.
>>737604926Christ this is really bad. It's not even subtle. Straight up changing the words not just the idea of context.
>>737618808That's such a LIEmatsu*!*TL note: The original term here is 嘘松 (usomatsu), combining the kanji for "lie" (嘘) with the kanji for pine tree (松). The latter kanji is usually used for names; in this case it comes from Osomatsu-san (おそ松さん) which is a Japanese comedy anime television for adult produced by Studio Pierrot, based on Fujio Akatsuka's 1962 manga series, Osomatsu-kun. The term came about in 2016 from an X post where an Osomatsu-san claimed to have had a cinematic, "too good to be true" encounter with a stranger who looked or acted exactly like one of the characters from the show. The story was deemed to be obviously fake, leading to the accusation of him being an 嘘松 (usomatsu). English equivalents could be "that happened" or "then everyone clapped" - as in the context of calling out an obviously fake story on the internet. In a more laid-back dialogue format like in this conversation, a contemporaneous slang term that came about in the English world in the late 2010s like 嘘松 (usomatsu), could be "that's cap".
>>737606983>That bazoongasAchievable natty?
>>737619041Fired by Kojima for MGS mistranslation
>>737618808NTA, you're obviously trying to bait a reply from someone who doesn't speak japanese just so you can claim that people who complain about localizations don't know what they are talking about.
Are video games the only form of media where you can do shit like this for your job? Like imagine if had a job where you had to translate something, lets say a document from JP to ENG. And you just completely fucked it up and added random words that weren't right. Surely you'd get fired? But with vidya, no one seems to care? It's like there's no repercussions and no regulations.
>>737618656Give full context
>>737618808Ideally, they'd have actually researched what it means and the context (someone lying over a famous anime), and tried to do an equivalent pun in english (find a popular game/anime fandom, see if there's ever been controversies over some twitter nutjob lying about it). Can you find any? Can you make a pun out of it? If yes, do it. If not, just put something like "Your pants are on fire". There, done. You lost the pun but there was nothing to be done. You don't need to go "ROFLMAO PATRIARCHY FASCISM NEOLIBERAL WOMB MYSOGINY!"
>>737618656Fake and gay.
>>737619234There's an actual shortage of skilled translators; all the skilled ones spend their days translating corporate emails, legal contracts and documentation.
>>737619234entertainment, not just video games. anime/manga translations are equally bad (because it's the same people). it's mainly an JP to EN issue, it's very rare with other languages. the actually good JP translators translate literature, not nerd stuff
>>737619225they're gonna claim that even if they get a reply from an actual japanon who's also fluent in english though
certified GAY NIGGA moment
>>737619234Crunchyroll did it for years with anime, and I'm sure some mangas have been fucked by trannylation as well. At least it seems some anime companies actually had the balls to tell them to fuck off and resort to inhouse/AI translation for the future. Gaming is still the most cucked industry.
>>737618502What’s the source on the FFX thing?
>>737605269Because to get a job as an official japanese translator you need to be a mentally ill weaboo to learn the language of a barely relevant island nation AND need to be part of the clique which lends to this kind of autism that filters out the chuds (they do unofficial translations of random eroge)
>>737619234>Are video games the only form of media where you can do shit like this for your job?no
>>737618257I tried asking Gemma 4 on my own computer, without giving it access to any external sources. "Tell me how you'd translate this and why you'd translate it that way: 令呪で縛らないか"The answer started with this:>First, let's address the translation. This sentence is heavily tied to the Fate series lore, specifically regarding "Command Spells" (令呪 - Reijū).
GAY NIGGA hours
>>737619416>barely relevant island nationcontinue coping, chink
>>737619507Where's the lie? If it was a relevant country the public would riot at the disrespect
>>737619041SotN's "translation" is a full rewrite. Look at the difference in the opening scene alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVLqfj6_AOw
>>737619234Games aren't the only medium, but english seems to be the only language. My country didn't get a custom OST for Dragon Ball because american ears can't comprehend Kikuchi, I guess? We just got the original.Just say "cultural differences" and you can do whatever the fuck you want in America.
>>737619357Himselfhttps://youtu.be/dlLm36DFMyI?t=5414
>>737619443I don't know what Gemma 4 is but I assume AI? That's really good.
>>737619234The troonlater industry is the same as the american voice actor industry. It's literally youtube/discord circlejerk core because honestly how many competent professional individuals are learning Japanese to translate VIDEO GAMES instead of an actual book or something. It's a self-filtering process for mental illness since we've gotten to the point where translators grew up on anime wanting to be fucking japanese translators
>>737619234>Are video games the only form of media where you can do shit like this for your jobEntertainment is like the retail sales assistant of translation jobs, the absolute bottom rung that no one cares about and for good reason since there's an actual demand for translators for things that matter more like important medical devices and legal documents that pay way more. Our only hope now is that companies use AI to cut these fucker out of a job
>>737619234Localizers are paid absolute trash. Basically among devs there's the lowliest human beings, then below them is QA who is the dirt, and localizers are the worms in the dirt. They're lucky to even know what they're translating or what any of the context is. That's why you get trash quality, you pay like trash you only get trash human being motivated by weird agendas and/or not having any other skills
>>737618613https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHW066wAI2o
>>737619670It's an AI model released by Google. It's very good for a model you can run on a normal PC, but it's still very retarded compared to the big models like Claude or Gemini or even the big Chinese ones like GLM.
>>737619864That's deliberate censorship though, trying to say the movie didn't really end like that to not upset the feelings of 1.2 billion chinese people
>>737615464If I'm not mistaken they have an actual law of sorts of using french alternatives for any loanwords.
>>737611758That's an SEO change. Reference to drug use drops searchability
>>737619557Man I love Norio Wakamoto
>>737612146It's the same translation principles as Tolkien.
>>737620728The Japanese are fine with the original title
>>737618469kek
>>737620829SEO matters vary by language. Drug references reducing visibility in English is a known issue
>>737620942Feels great that google's ethics department gets to decide which words in the english language we're allowed to use. Can't wait to see what this language looks like after a few more decades with the euphemistic treadmill on max speed.
>>737604926what game? I need to sue this political bullshit translator
>>737617054Yes, it is bait. You're a smart cookie, aren't you?
