>"Get in, nerd. We're SAVING video games"
>>737774341Ross has saved gaming at least 3 times now he's the GOAT
How does enabling shit taste subhumans to grind Ubisoft live service titles for their entire lives improve video games in any capacity?
>>737774341>you can play Crew FOREVERuh, pull over, think I'm gonna be- BLUUURGH
>w-what?*blood sugar spikes*>WHAT DID HE JUST SAY??????*judeo-christian mind going in overdrive*>F-FINING AND REGULATING C-C-CORPO-R-RATIONS???????????????*literally shaking and shivering*>WHAT WAS THAT????? CONSUMER R-R-IGHT-AIEEEEEEEE*palantir account locked, anti-corporate speech detected, -100 good goygolem score*>THIS IS LITERALLY COMMUNISM WE CAN'T STAND FOR THIS WE FOUGHT THE NAZIS TO PREVENT THIS IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THIS IS DANGEROURS OUR GREATEST ALLY WOULDN'T APPROVE WE WILL PROTES-ding ding ding ding ding*Saar your McShartnald's goyslop was delivered, triple menu as you ordered for a little snack, enjoy your meal saaar :)*
but you killed them mold man
>let's give the governments MORE power to control video games>This will surely save video games
>>737775253Unironically yes, if it stops predatory practices from publishers and developers.
>>737774341Credit to the guy, I thought this was a total fool's errand, but he's making some actual headway.
>>737774341>guy has mid-life crisis and desperately tries to make some kind of impact on the world>s-stop killing g-games
>>737775253Yes.
>>737775253>the free market will save us!>the merchant class is our friend!
>>737775634or just don't buy the games. not difficult
>>737775927and the government is your friend? lmao
>>737775634why is this child so...
>>737776063shit vs pissbut if I can use my piss to clean the bowl then the piss is more useful than shit
>>737776063Evidently moreso than big corpo
>>737774341Damn, i can't NOT read that in his voice
>>737774341bunkertranny/NAFO thread
>>737776063They are certainly supposed to be, unlike corporations who are by design your enemy. The reason modern government isn't your ally is because you don't control them, corporate does.You lost the damn war and are cheering for the people who now own you. A gross traitor.
>>737775253
>>737776014No I think I would rather seek to create a situation where the people in general have it better and aren't just free game for predatory and use unfriendly practices.
>>737776216That's because his voice is so obnoxious its impossible not to
>>737774341mameshibaaaahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBvc5owekk
Reminder he's terrible at video games and had to play Dark Souls using a trainer
>>737776014Doesn't work.
>>737776291OhnoAnyways
>>737775253>>737776063Should the law regard libertarians as people?
>>737774341More on that later.
>>737776159>>737776135corpo: don't like our product or service? no problem, we can't force you to buy government: don't like our product or service? too bad, we'll take your money or else you go to jail
>>737776135of course the jeet immediately uses shit/piss analogies
>>737774341>the year is 2046>The Crew 2 can now be played fully offline>assuming the servers for authenticating your digital purchase are still up for the now mandatory 30-day check up>or if you have a disc copy that the servers hosting the offline update are still online>this all also assuming whatever system you're using to access it even boots without a connection to some online server somewhere, whether it's a console with that's always online or a Windows PC that now requires government ID to even get on the internetThere's simply no way to guarantee that future games will be playable offline, no matter what sort of legislation you manage to draft. This is all simply kicking the can a bit further down the road and pretending to no longer see it.
>>737776430>corpo: Don't like our product? Too bad, we bought out the whole market so you have no options.fix'd
>>737776495You don't think thats fitting for corpos and government?Hows that boot leather taste?
>>737776405I pay more taxes than you. Should the law regard leeching consoomers like you as people?
>>737775634here is your non-predatory game, saar. gayming is saved!!!!!!!
>>737776527nice fantasy you made up in your head. Care to name these evil video game corps that bought out the whole market?
>>737775634>predatory practices from publishers and developers.If been living under a rock. Does this include gay retarded shit like gacha games and micro transactions?
>>737776527your option >>737776636 saar. wholesome ethical singleplayer vidya without predators are still being made
>>737776690>he doesn't know
>>737776725Eventually. Stopping games from being destroyed is only the first step.
>>737776783you gonna list them? oh wait, the real entities with true monopolies on force are... the government!?
>>737774710You assume christians want dead games? Didn't christians resurrect the crew like Christ did?
>>737774710Government intervention is only fine when billionaires and corporations do itWhen the average person does it it's slippery slope communism literally 1984
>>737775634Yes, I'm sure we all remember that time when governments got upset over lootboxes and promoting gambling to children but ever since that was resolved the gaming landscape has been nothing but sunshine and rainbows.
>>737776869>its not a monopoly if everyone agrees to not compete
>>737776014i don't buy them yet it still happens.
>Indians are payed by companies to argue in favor of SKGThis is some next level cope
Is there anything that would stop them from selling games explicitly as subscription service if this passes? if netflix can then why not ubisoft or mihoyo
>>737776936I also remember that time the government forced Apple to include chargers and USB-C ports.
>>737777043>i don't buy themthen who cares? you're not the target audience. If the product or service is truly bad, sales will drop
>>73777715830 years of the EU and they've managed to make one good decision, so therefore we must let them regulate every aspect of our lives
>>737777027still waiting for that list
>>737774341sooooo what games are we playing today.... oh its the Crew again huh? just like yesterday wtf ross
>>737777258>as long as their is investor money it must be good
>>737776725>>737776851Ironically SKG does nothing about that shitthey want to exempt F2P games and games with subscriptions, so 90% of GaaS would be fine anyway because you don't 'buy' a license to thoselol The only games that would be affected are the type of GaaS Sony makes like concord, helldivers, marathon, etc.
>>737777372investment capital is not infinite. did you miss the dozens of game dev studio closure and multiple thousands of devs laid off last couple years?
>>737777463And yet the trash still keeps getting madeOh wait, it can't be trash because it keeps being made by your logicThen why do they keep closing?
>>737777591what trash keeps being made? please list them along with sales numbers
>>737777461Free games and FREE TO PLAY GAMES are looked at very different by skg.If its 100% free, do literally whatever tf you want. If you sell DIGITAL GOODS (TF2 HAT FOR EXAMPLE) you need to provide a way to get this digital good, which includes the game Subscription will be exempt though, since its predefined "30$ for a month".
>>737777841Introducing: TF2 hat viewer. All of the hats, none of the game!I mean, you paid for a hat after all. Not for the game itself.
>>737777832>saar post the sales>you bloody bastard post the sales
I can kinda see eurocrats pass this nonsense as a kind of fanservice for the biggest retards in the world. Ez brownie points to counteract everything else around them burning.
>>737774341We sincerely don't deserve Ross
>>737778005Yeah, considering its advertising as you can wear the hat, in combat, while killing and being killed, this would very likely count as fruad. It'd be like if I sold you a car, but put it in a glass case, said you own it but you can't remove it from my property or its vandalism
>>737774341Thanks man, but i don't think i care about games anymore, you see, i've bought this life sized gardevoir doll and it comes with all sorts of attachments and, ah, i'm kind of busy right now, but good luck!
>>737774520It removes the ability for Ubisoft to rug pull users to force them to buy the new live service slop. If they want people to play their new bullshit now, they are forced to make something that is a actually appealing enough to pull in customers
>>737776063only because the merchants captured the government.don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
No thanks I prefer not being covered in mold and I'm too tech-literate to think SKG is a good thing
>>737778316Jokes on you, I buy cars with built in DRM that prevents me to using installed utilities because I didn't pay extra for them
>>737778481>Tech "literate">Anti skgHi Pirate software. Hows it been going since the mods left?
Reminder that these threads exist to radicalize you. None of these posters care about video games.
>>737778481>tech-literateis this the new media literacy?
>>737778316They could just sell them like NFTs were advertised as being. Cross-game item sharing (may or may not be compatible with any games), where you buy an item that is then possibly maybe compatible with some games.So you'd see shit like a Xbox Inventory Share(TM), where the same character skin can be used across multiple titles like having your dude dress as a Gundam in both Black Ops 8 and Forza Horizon 6, but where compatibility now or in the future with any specific game is not promised or guaranteed. But you'll retain the item forever since it's on the blockchain!
>>737778595Naturally, no one on /v/ does
>>737775253>>737775634Name one thing the government has directly improved in your life in the past 20 years. GO!
>>737778595These threads exist to turn general malaise into racism
>>737778714
>>737774520It doesn't actually do that, no one cares about this junk long term. This entire moobment is just a deeply autistic man followed by people who enjoy participating in moral panics and feeling like they are "helping". It's kinda like the George Floyd protests
>>737778714upping food standards so we're not fed absolute slop like the americans
>>737775701I'm surprised as well.It does feel a little like a distraction tho. Like they are throwing the masses a bone while they ramp up AI surveillance, censorship laws, and online digital ID. Let the people cheer over the "system working" with vidya preservation while they limit freedoms and change stuff that matters more than games.And it's not like anything has actually happened yet anyway, so far it's still up in the air what will change for game companies (if anything at all).
>>737778814Only if you're in a shit country that had low local standards pre-EU.A prime example of EU standards is how in the Soviet Union vodka was defined as water and ethanol, with nothing else added allowed. But the EU allows vodka to have added sugar in it as well to mask the taste of really shitty cheap booze.
>>737778640>may or may not be compatible with any gamesYou sound like you are in the industry and are used to making up eula shit to assfuck customers.
>>737774520How does acting like an impotent sore loser improve video games in any capacity?
>>737779063eceleb worship + nonsensical nonsequitur in response to being laughed at
>>737779007>Only if you're in a shit country that had low local standards pre-EUand you think companies wouldn't have lowered standards to cut costs if these regulations weren't in place?
>>737778671I love gaming
>>737778714My computer thanks to my covid stimi
>>737779063He isn't claiming it does. YOU people do, though.Also how are the companies 'whiney'? they just pull the plug ez yolo. It's you spergs who started a moral panic over it.
>>737775253Do you pay tax?If so, shut up, bootlicker.
>>737779152You're not making any sense and it's entertaining. Go on.
>>737779163The companies need to eat the same food moron
>"Get in, nerd. We're [pushing anti copyright and anti IP ownership propaganda while virtue signaling as saviors of] video games"
>>737778981>>737775701I know channers are bad at civics but seriously, you're retarded if you think making it to the hearing means anything.Do you know what the responses for all the previous hearings have been? "We already do this," "We'll look into it," (they didn't) and "lol, lmao" (attempted glyphosate ban)
>>737779234You really think I have any interest in sincerely debating you bottom-feeding scum?You are worthless trash. I don't respect you.
>>737779315prove itpost an example
>>737779281Me on the left
>>737779271very funny
>>737779275That was debunked, sweety. Sorry you failed to please your employers.Stick to shilling the next extraction shooter flop.
>>737779440if they keep getting made they can't be bad
>>737779163Old regulations were paid for in blood and revolutions.Back in the day when it turned out margarine was made of cats, people rioted until it was changed. Today if EU announced that the regulation for some non-dairy table spreads may now contain up to a certain percentage of added feline-based ingredients, there ain't shit you can do about it.
>>737779315You wouldn't be able to 'sincerly debate' someone even if you really wanted to because you are retarded.
>>737775253>t.
Someone plz post those edits of Ross with blocky head
>>737774341This guy looks like every drummer or bass player ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uF5xMhfp1c
>>737779368Okay here.This gif proves my case flawlessly.
>>737779440I've already spoken with SKG sympathizers in dozens of threads exactly like these who are in fact proud anti copyright anti IP ownership radicals.
>>737779673>unc memetake your Tylenol
>>737779519Much better.>>737779548Yep. Sure am. No idea how this world works.
>>737779707Your IP thread saar >>737779153
>>737774341Yo my name is Saad and I don't give a fuck.
>>737778803Shalom!
Man you are all so dumb, you think the game being good or fun decides its quality?Like you actually buy games and play them to see if they are fun?I wait to see sales figures and if a sequel drops to see if the game is good.Thats why you are broke from buying games, while I am rich of my investments into ubisoft.
>Companies should be allowed to take away things you paid for whenever they want without warning you>If you disagree then you are fundamentally against my personally rights and evilYou really think anyone is going to sincerely debate that stance?
>>737779878I am not Jewish. The Jewish community stood overwhelmingly with George Floyd, as it does now with The Crew.
>>737779984>jews on the side that isn't about making moneythe cope is off the charts!
>>737779196*snort*
>>737780034>jews on the side that isn't about making moneyyeah, they enjoy communism and moral crusades like most of the internet
>>737779781Sorry if my presence in these threads is a detriment to your agenda
>Muh george floyd>The jews side sith SKGThis retard is tripping over himself trying to build a belivable troll argument.
>>737780106>see jews are just like everyone else goym
>>737778595No I care about video games from 20 years ago
>>737779958Your acting entitled. Imagine thinking you own a service forever. No other industry is held to that ludicrous standard.
>>737779281at least fully read posts if you're going to try and be snappy
>>737780170I am resonding back to a retarded, unserious accusation I didn't start. Don't be scared to reply directly. >>737780214Subhumans work together.
>>737780238>games as a service
>>737779958>business ventures are allowed to fail Correct.>services are business venturesCorrect.>services are allowed to failCorrect.That was easy. Got any difficult strawmen?
>>737780238Products aren't services.You are acting entitled.You don't get to change word meanings based on how much money you want to make.
>>737780232*actually posts in a thread about "saving" 2010s GAAS like a boss*
>>737780435products aren't services
>Shilling for a corporation to own everything in your house with the right to take it whenever the corporation feels like it>Calling others sub-human>Begging for a direct replyPoor little pajeet ; _ ;
>>737780529>>Shilling for a corporation to own everything in your house with the right to take it whenever the corporation feels like itYou should take your meds. This thread is about how playing The Crew (2014) is a human right.It's funny how literally the only argument people can ultimately muster for this shit is on the same level as "you wouldn't steal a car" KEK.
>>737776598how does being a hypocrite taste? your false balance of "at least it's not the corpo raping us, it's the gubmint!" is a product of you having an absurdly low iq and willing to suffer the same grievances, so long as it's not x doing it, it's y. the issue here is the idea that corporations need to be told how games should be made, when in reality you are deciding that with your own wallet. just stop buying games that will obviously eos.>but that doesn't work! it does. what happens to games that aren't funded? their entire design philosophy is modified or abandoned. the people that double down thinking gamers need to grow up and accept it end up burning their companies to the ground.
>>737780516Oh, so you can finally tell the difference now? Good for you. Then this next step should be easy: don't pay for services expecting them to last forever.
>>737780435>Actually meaning the points you are replying toThanks for playing. Reminder that you will go to jail if you turn those servers off.
>>737780435It's unstated and unknown how long it lasts. This is EXACTLY why wow gets a pass. Buy 30 day periods. Period over? GTFO. however games have only recently had that problem, and its one that absolutely doesn't need to exist, and doesn't for a lot of games. Hell in the case of the crew they basically coded it TO BREAK very intentionally. Like the crew had a check to brick the game after 2029 but the modders fixed it.Yes, services can be allowed to fail, but this is holding games hostage DISGUISED as a service. Valve never does that.
>>737780694>atleast its not the gubmint raping us its the corpos
>>737778595>Reminder that these threads exist to radicalize you.I'm always radical, loser.
>>737780695>serviceproduct
>>737780725Disguised? These games are very clearly labeled as being reliant on internet connected services. If you're too fucking stupid to realize that means there must be something on the other end that may not always be there, then the problem is you and not Ubisoft.
What does The Crew (2014) being playable have to do with rape?
>>737780529>in your house>game exists entirely on their server>it's not a product, it's a service, so you couldn't own it regardlessGot any difficult strawmen? Yours are too fragile.
>It thinks I will reply to it if it insults me enough
>>737774520I loved war of the roses and you're a faggot for pretending this only affects ubisoft shit
>>737780703Good talk.
>>737780863>>737780865
>>737780864You can rape children and not go to jail(Epstein Island) but if you play The Crew (2014) without internet then Ubisoft encases you in a whack-ass crystal prison.
>>737780987If you did not realize at purchase time that the Simcity reboot was always online, then you've got way bigger problems than just video games.
>>737780725>Valve never does that.
>>737780434
>>737780774>its the corposNo. it's you being a gullible shmuck. the government doesn't need to jump in to prevent bad game design practices, your brain does when buying them.
>>737781049Thats fucked uuuuuuuuup
>>737780863So is halflife 2 multiplayer, tf2, and other shit, but its provided "service" never got bricked because it always had private servers. I'm calling the "service" of central servers , holding them hostage in disguise. Because all they have to do is let players run them, and the risk of the game dying when the "service" goes out is nullified.
>>737780865The crew was sold as a product, you utter fucking retard.Jesus christ if you're gunna troll at least read the replies
>>737781060what server was this single player game hosted on?
>>737780850>productservice
>>737777463>IC isn't infinite except under nearly all but the most extreme instances, it is. Do you not know how much a billion really is? Beyond that these are people who can just create more money out of thin air.
>>737780448Correct.
>>737780865Explain how I own these "services" for valve games? Its a file, copy paste, done.
>>737781110>The crew was sold as a productI don't believe you. What's your supporting evidence?
>>737781140Games as a service is fraud
>>737781202Because I said so. Stop being entitled.
>>737778714Buckbreaking iphone.
>>737781253Here's a picture of the physical product
>>737781258I disagree. Is that belief a requirement for supporting SKG? If so then I can't support SKG. Simple as.
>>737780238They do that because crackheads hang out and cause problems by mcdonalds locations in major cities.Usually they won't do anything if you're just a couple of normal people eating and hanging out, but if you've got a fent lean, look like a meth enthusiast, or sit around the end of the drive through begging for fries/cash, they'll tell you once to move on then call the cops.t. worked for a security company that monitored places all over north america and fucking hated the drivethrough in Aurora Colorado for how often we had to call in junkies acting like they can't hear the air raid siren and alarm telling them to fuck off.
>>737781082>shmuckI wonder who is behind this post
>>737780905It only affects live service slop.
I wish SKG was about killing games as a service, giving more power to the state or communism. Instead its just a petition to regulate one single line from the ToS of Blizzard, Ubisoft and EA
>>737781258That's the core argument of SKG and why it's gaining so much legal support.
>>737781369Are they behind the times? Just play classic music on the speakers.
End your suffering, subhuman /pol/skin.
>>737774341Rock on Moldman! Me and the other EU boys have answered the call! W've going to own our videogames and we will be happy!
>>737781337You aren't allowed to support it anyway. We don't allow faggots.
e celeb worship threadthis guy ross, he's not your friend lol, hes just an ordinary guy that you see in a camera frame in youtube and say some stuff. He wont be there if youre sick or anything. Yet you people keep making meme with him and talk about him as if youre familiar with this guy and this guy personally knows you as an individual human being seriously doe, drop this entire parasocial relationship shit and actually do something fun in your life for yourself. This is embarrasing, even for /v/ standards
>>737774341>1000 paid shills disliked this post.
>>737781393That's the unspoken motive behind it.This goal will be achieved by any means necessary so the more these retards resist it, the worse the regulations will be.They still don't understand their opinion is irrelevant as they are not being given a choice to make. You WILL stop selling software that is designed to be unusable. This isn't up for debate.
>>737781592Nu uh its the shills and jews who support it!
>voted for SKG>buy all my videogames on GOGDoes that trigger you /v/?
>>737781424>Just play classic music on the speakers.Funny enough, there was a period of time when the rules on soundclips we could play were really loose.You ever been tweaking in a McDonalds drive through at 4AM and hear this blaring loud enough to be heard from 3 blocks away?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d9H_1ygEv8
>>737781391Lets put into some normie shit so you understandYou wont be able to play elden ring online just like you cant play ds1 or 2
>>737781578ross is only using you for his narcissistic desire of fame. He wants to do something meaningful in his life but because he didnt have anything -much like any other youtuber in general- he resort to complaining and gathering masses, doing online activism like that kid greta thunberg except for video gameFeel free to deny or argue this post if youa actually have decent argument and not a redditor though
>Entire paragraphs just begging for 1 reply
>>737776257-based:
>>737781258>>737781405Ross got btfo by lawyers years ago for calling it fraud, he joins the call at around 53:44https://youtu.be/qUxnnMPxEu4?t=3222
>>737781660We are both brownor something
>>737781620Yeah its funny that these companies are so fucking jewish in comparison. We already have fucking gacha games that let you keep playing after end of service.
>>737781742>Ross openly hates having to be a poster boy and constantly begs for someone else to take the reigns>He's just doing this for fameSub-human non-person detected
>>737781898Make him brown and write "script" in his pocket and you've got yourself a damn good meme.
>>737781801This really doesn't mean much considering plenty legal entities in Europe have determined purchased software is a GOOD. Also even in America, some entities call it a good, some a service.Some literally who lawyer on YouTube isn't the defacto authority, as basically nobody has ruled on this definitively.
>>737781801>Amerishart lawKEK, broad EU law and the laws in indiviadual EU countreis are very different from the corporate dickriding scribbles you have passing as laws in the USA. Especially when it comes to digital shit, contracts and licences for like games for example.
>>737776510>There's simply no way to guarantee that future games will be playable offlineLmaoYour retarded than
>>737781801That's why he went with the European Union you tard.
Has anyone made the point to the corpo bootlickers ITT that SKG isn't forcing comapnies to keep servers operational, but provide Peer 2 Peer alternatives (much like how GTA5 handles its online multiplayer) instead?I feel like that'd blow most of their dumbfuck arguments out of the water, because then it's not about services being kept alive at the producers expense, it's about keeping them playable within the community.
>>737781725All three of those games have had user run servers since they released.
>>737781998That only works if he's at an SKG support group
>>737776510>There's simply no way to guarantee that future games will be playable offlineLOL, so how come i can play videogames i bought 20 years ago online? Is online gaming with private servers and LAN a lost art in 2026?
>>737777120>paying to play genshin slopIts dead
>>737782140>Stop playing shit games like GTA5 entirely>YOU'RE A CORPO BOOTLICKER I CANT QUIT BECAUSE I PURCHASED $500000 IN SHARK CARDS
He won.
>>737781620>You WILL stop selling software that is designed to be unusablelol. lmao. you will literally never stop this. unless you magically force all forms of server-side software to be free and open source, which will DEFINETLY never happen.
>>737782034>>737782056>>737782125There's literally an EU lawyer on the call. The whole point is fraud has a specific legal definition in both EU and NA and taking a GaaS offline isn't fraud. Furthermore they literally give him legal advice so he didn't continue calling it fraud which would have been a non-starter in court. This is the entire reason Ross stopped calling it fraud.
>>737774341>single handedly responsible for selling thousands of copies of the crew 2Wowzerz video games are saved
>>737782157Thats why the online going down was such a big deal in ds1?Specially with zoomers getting more and more tech illiterate as time goes on?Fuck outta here
>>737782381Cool. I'll still call it fraud because I'm not legally involved. I hope the fraudsters get put in their place by skg.
>>737782034The total lack of real legal precedent is why this movement exists.That non-human earlier in the thread claiming Ross failed to call it fraud is lying. That had nothing to do with SKG and was a statement of opinion before it existed.SKG is explicitly about at least ruling wether the practice of selling a product then treating it like a service is even legal.Even if these monstrously evil companies get to carry on unimpeded, the goal will still have been achieved. The legal precedent will be set.This motive has never once changed throughout the entirety of SKG's public appearance. Anything beyond that was made very clear as a bonus and not the intent.Anyone depicting SKG's motives as otherwise is either retarded or evil. %100 guaranteed.Unless they are doing it to mock detractors then it's cool and epic.
Sorry CHUDSThis is a WOKE Pirate Software boardstay lsoing
>>737782414You cant even get ds1 nowadaysNeither prepare to dieYou have to play remastered and it doesnt work
>>737782321THOR NATION RISE UP!But all memes aside he's never been wrong, just brave enough to go against the retarded masses.
>>737781801Ross sounds like he doesn't know shit
>>737782140Actually SKG wants developers jailed if they don't maintain their servers for the rest of the company's existence.
>>737782414A big deal for whom? Why is every SKG cultist such a sperg, goddamn.
>>737782594>hes never been wrong, just braveNew oneBeing never wrong is calling dogshit like kirby, fromsoft and chrono trigger mediocre
>>737782619He has openly claimed he doesn't and has begged for real help multiple times.That's something corporate pajeet shills genuinely cannot refute no matter how hard they try.Fuckin' guy hates doing this and isn't good at it either.
>>737779545ok but that doesn't make the current regulations bad
>>737782665Do not speak ill of our great religion, blasphemer.
THE EU HAS SEEN THE LIGHTCORPORATIONS FEAR THE JIHADSAVING GAMES IS THE GREATEST CAUSE
>>737782665Just, you knowThe big gaming outlets
>>737782619He's not a lawyer so it makes sense, at least he managed to talk to lawyers about it instead of learning that lesson the hard way.
>Corporations use the government to screw over customersBASED>Customers use the government to screw over corporationsJEW COMMIES
>>737779725Motherfucker that's a grandpa memeare you a fetus?
>>737781391war of the roses wasn't live service slop, try again you dishonest cunt
>>737782917It's almost like the scripted dichotomy always benefits a select group of people...
>>737782851Woowowow whatHow can the online go down permanently?>>737782157Anon help me
>>737782939That's exactly why that's good for you, you genuinely illiterate fucking moron
>>737782990maybe don't be a jew commie
>>737782594>he's never admitted to being wrongFixed>>737782649This has been said probably over 100 times JUST by Ross that that ISN'T what's being asked for. Release a server executable, like tf2, and you are suddenly fine to close down same day.
I'm retarded and gayI don't support customers owning products that are sold as productsI love penis but I can't figure out how to suck it : (
>>737783049you are making 0 sense now
>>737783108Right and if they don't release that precious company-destroying data, then they go to jail.Releasing that data will destroy the company by the way. Developers will starve if they let you own what you paid for. It's sick what you're doing.
>>737782381Dude, Ubisoft is literally being sued in France right now. Stop taking your information from youtube lawyers.
>>737783159>I can't read or comprehend informationNot my problem
>>737776014Maybe corporations should stop making games that rely on a central server in the first place?
>>737783243Why do we need these devs alive anyway? Game is already out
>>737783280>Don't listen to lawyers about the law
>>737783304you just seem to misunderstand how SKG worksif SKGs proposed guidelines were in place back when war of the roses was still up, they wouldn't have been able to just delete it and make it unplayable back then
>>737783304>hits crackpipe>not my problem
>>737783243I wonder why this didn't destroy valve ...or id software...or risk of rain...of thousands of other games.Maybe stop fucking sucking?
>>737782381>Pay for thing>Own thing>Thing literally cant be used after some time (unespecificied and user handling or usage isnt a factor)How isnt it fraud?Imagine a chess board just stops working one day without a missing pieceOr a song being unplayable
>>737782381Ross never once legally claimed it was fraud. He stated that as opinion many years before SKG even existed. SKG never once publicly made this claim and you cannot prove it.You are purposely mixing up timelines and depicting things that didn't happen because you are a disingenuous piece of shit corporate shill sub-human retard faggot
>>737783442its called a service goym
>>737783563It was sold as a product so we are using lawfare now.Thanks for playing.
>>737783243lol retard, what about all those games on GOG?
>>737783280Ubisoft is being sued for violating consumer protections laws, not for fraud. That's the entire point. The lawyers in the call literally tell Ross that he would have a better chance suing for that instead of fraud.It's like how there's a legal definition for murder and if you try to charge someone for murder when they're actually guilty of manslaughter you're going to lose the case.
>>737783442It's not fraud because ubisoft tells you they could take your license away or end the game at any time. Ubisoft may have broken some other law but they didn't commit fraud.>In civil litigation, allegations of fraud might be based on a misrepresentation of fact that was either intentional or negligent. For a statement to be an intentional misrepresentation, the person who made it must either have known the statement was false or been reckless as to its truth. The speaker must have also intended that the person to whom the statement was made would rely on it. The hearer must then have reasonably relied on the promise and also been harmed because of that reliance.
>>737783310Impossibru!!! Using technology that existed for decades?! How!!
>>737783310Why?
>>737783625>It was sold as a productDoesn't look like it was.
>>737784312It didn't have a time assigned to it. It really shouldn't NEED it to drive around, and they even had a serverless mode in the code, but offline mode was intentionally bricked by the devs
>>737776063Government is a business, just like a corporation is a business. Neither are trustworthy or have your interests in mind, so the best thing to do is to set them against each other.
You don't like Wallace & Gromit?
>>737779673>aislop
>>737774520>Ban companies from poisoning their food>NOOOOOOOO YOU’RE JUST ENABLING SHITTY TASTES BY DOING THAT AND NOT LETTING THE MARKET ADJUST!
>>737787046>Ban drug dealers from poisoning their fentanyl>Undesirables no longer die>Humanity gets a little bit worseOk grats you did it
>>737787335>undesirables no longer die>pokemonfags, fromdrones and chrono trigger cultists still existYou failed.
>>737774341What credentials does this guy have, I bet he didn't even work at blizzard seven years
>>737787625None, he admits as such, and hes not even running the initiative. He pushed this because he was tired of games dying, and pushed hard asking everyone and researching for years to make skg. He's really quite a Chad for jumping in the deep end
>>737779152>>737779234>>737779548Piratesoftware, plz...
>>737787487>Ubisoft games good>Pokemon, Armored Core, and Chrono Trigger BAD
>>737776014That's not good enough. Everyone has to suffer for these games existing. I didn't buy these games, but YOU did, so you must pay for your indignance.
>>737787909>ubisoft games are goodNo one said this>pokemon, armored core, and chrono trigger badEverybody said this
>>737775927When people realize the true end game of capitalism is always monopolies, the easier it will be to break them.
>>737787335>>Undesirables are no longer undesirables since they aren’t addicted to fent and can improve their life*ftfy
>>737788051The initial premise of Stop Killing Slop started with Ubisoft's game "The Crew".
>>737774341>mold CHAD actually moved up to the big niggas trying save gaming in the upper echelons of western politicsi fucking kneel>>737787625he's a "gamer" and that's the beauty of itafter years of him complaining about it and saying he wasn't the guy to spearhead or do something about it, he said enough is enough and did it anywaycan't believe he got this far
>>737775253>P-Please give corporations unregulated power over the medium! If you don't like what w THEY do just organize a boycott! it's easy!!!!
>>737788104>Stop Killing Games started with The Crew>This somehow means everyone affiliated, supportive or that even alludes to it think All Ubisoft games are goldAh yes. How could forget this simple ane obvious fact
>>737774341Bro wants the google play store to be backed up on private servers who's paying for host fees btw lmao
>>737780170I swear I've seen just about everything get used here.Left v RightIt's gonna cost developers moneyDo you really trust the governmentIt's communismSomething about AmericansSomething about Euros
>>737788104I think you forgot to include your point
>>737788201Well which live service skinner boxes are you actively fighting for through this movement?
>>737788206>cant afford a private server.Are you poor or what? LmaoMust be indian, even piratechads host their shit
Which game is this even about? This shit is literally a child's argument.
>>737788258>doesn't address the argumentI accept :)
>>737788250>Instantly jump to the assumption I am defending a sloppy gameStrong, coming from someone that wants to defend fromshit or Chrono Trooner.Unless hahahahaYou are HAHAHAHAA POKEFAG
>>737788296Stop killing games movement being heavily promoted by Ross scott. It presented at eu parliament recently.Pirate software lied about it and because a lolcow
>>737778714My citizenship status
>>737788327>whos paying the fees>directly ask anon if he cant>LMAO NOT ADDRESING ITI see.Your next post must insult Ganesha for me to read it
>>737779707What's wrong with being anti-copyright? When a company tries to dictate what I do with my game, long after I purchased it, then yes I will be against the concept of IP and copyright.Who tf are you to think you can tell me "no romhacks, no tinkering with the code, no making backups"? Makes you look like a pompous asshole.
>>737788206Google already hosts, one, two, assuming you killed it off, just host the files for...idk, 6 months, for people to dl and backup? After that, have fun I guess??? Just as long as customers have a chance.
>>737788334I last played a Pokemon game decades ago when I was a kid. You are defending a sloppy game because only sloppy games can be killed by their developers.You have nothing except projecting and behaving like an immature retard.
>>737788132"No thanks, I don't buy service games"There you go lil guy.
im so glad i can finally play highguard and concord!
i don't like communists
>>737775253>the control in question: the customer should be able to own the things he buysI love how you corpo bootlickers keep seething about private ownership.
>>737788435Thank you for speaking up, however I only care to use you as proof for my claim that radicals infest this movement, and why I won't support it. I have no interst in debating your ideology.
>>737788473yes but this isn't about every game. It's about a few big games. Nobody talks about the massive amount of slop you would have to wade through to find something anyone cared about. Let's ignore the fact that most people will not have the mental acuity to install a private instance of a game. We can also ignore that a percentage of a percentage of people will even be aware of this or do it ever. So why does every single game with an online connection (every game now) need to provide a hard copy backup of their IP "in case of shutdown"? So Playstation can take my access from an offline game now, but that's not something he's addressing. This is about a bunch of autists and their hobby horse that want to demand changes that won't even get them what they want anyways.It's draconic, silly, and childish. Only an idiot would argue for it. You should be wondering why the EU is so on board with this. Those people focus on taking rights away and strangling all resistance from their populace.
>>737788523Reminder that any game could be made a service.*Update super meat boy, add bs central server. Close it down, game bricked*You seriously don't want this
Oh yeah and these are also the same people who defended the stupid niggers screaming>YOU ONLY BOIUGHT A LICENSE YOU DONT OWN IT NAAAH NAAAHH NAAAHHH
>>737788504>Ctrl+F>Ganesha>0 resultsDiscarded.
>>737775253>everything has consumer protection except for video games, which is a good thing.You're a goddamn idiot.
>>737787335You joke but by allowing this shit your basically placing layers of social protection in front of yourself.To circle back around to video games, by drawing the line in the sand all the way at Ubisoft bullshit, it makes it that much harder for them to start fucking around with better games because now they need to get past the legislation around Ubisoft bullshit.If you can understand the value of supporting a buffer state you can understand the value of supporting SKG.
>>737788753Slippery slope logic is a fallacy. Water existing isn't proof water is taking over the world.
>>737788695Good, then feel free to leave the thread. Go be retarded somewhere else.
>>737788701You act like this is hell to do?? It can be a patch in the back pocket, its ONLY for shutdown, and keeping it up for a reasonable time for customers, if applicable. Even if you fret that much, let a company look at how long they "can" run a game, and add 6 months atop it. Its really, really not hard, and server hosting is the smallest cost here, especially for a small period of time.
>>737780905Yeah, more than Ubislop has been killed unceremoniously. Like it still breaks my heart that not only did Rumbleverse get shut down, but that its private server was killed too by Iron Galaxy. I'd love to play that game again, and it'd be cool if someone could mod it to remove the shitty looking characters too.
>>737788868Video games have consumer protections. Nice try shill.
>>737788895Literally nothing stops them from doing this besides a game dev being anally raped with a machete in the street though.Like legally its CURRENTLY no different than the crew.I suppose lawsuits would happen, but its absolutely NOT illegal Also its not unreasonable to think they might add live features TO a game later.
>>737788896No thanks. I'll stay and continue advocating against SKG.
>>737788895Water is however literally dominating our planet retard. Average "muh slippery slope fallacy" faggot intellect
>737789086>I'll continue wasting my time worshipping corporations and being a moronStrange way to spend a monday night, but you do you.
>>737789116Slippery slope is still a logical fallacy. Sorry.
>i want to play the crew until im 60 years old YOU are the corporation worshiper not me
>>737789164I wasn't seeking your validation to begin with.
>Free Healthcare>Free Education>Paid leave month long PTO>Maternity Leave>Employers have to notify you about your own termination weeks in advance>Terminations actually require good reasons, employers can’t just let you go on a whim to save money>Online stores require refunds>Now getting protections for games you buyImagine being American like me ;-;
>I wasn't seeking your validation>but I need to keep replying to you, so you'll keep noticing me sempai
>>737788870How about we establish these protections by going after Adobe and their bullshit instead? Live service playing gamers probably don't even know what I'm on about because they cannot create anything, only consume slop.
>>737789285Sure.
>>737774341>option 1, developers start making games that work after the servers go down>option 2, live service games stop existing because they're no longer commercially viable since publishers can't just go "sorry, you didn't pay us enough to care" and pull the plugWin-win scenario.Stay mad, faggots.>hurrdurr muh [retard corporate noises]Don't care, I'm ontologically correct and you're retarded.
>>737788916You make excuses and minimize because you know this is all to steal IP from the popular projects. I wouldn't be surprised when this leads to p2w private servers and don't act like I'm crazy it's a huge fucking issue, ask Blizzard.
>>737789434Honestly, even if that was true, why is the company so stupid that they would let someone steal an IP from them? Shouldn't they be able to make something better than what regular people can offer?
>>737774341>Inb4 suicide
>>737789425You're missing a bunch of options.
>>737789176Honestly no it isn't. Argue what's fallacious about it instead of parroting the name of a supposed fallacy you heard.
>>737789512Tell me more about how valve had their halflife IP stolenPlease tell me more
>>737789632Honestly yes it is.
>>737789875Clearly they didn't, so letting people enjoy a game after its shutdown date clearly won't hurt.
>>737789913You are arguing no evil corporation with do that... because...its a fallacy??It was a fallacy that gay rights would lead to transexuals being next, yet here we are
>>737789913>Yes it is! What's the fallacy? Surely if you believe it's fallacious you can articulate why
>>737774520
>>737788895>Slippery slope logic is a fallacy.sure, when you're actually connecting two completely unrelated eventstoo bad this is an issue of "if [genre of bad games] are allowed to keep succeeding financially, they'll gain more market dominance and become more common"that's not a slippery slope, that's a sequence of events that happens all the time
>>737790029>It was a fallacy that gay rights would lead to transexuals being nextNo actually the claim was marrying animals was the slippery slope from same sex marriage. You were wrong then, as you are now. This is because slippery slope arguments are a logical fallacy. >>737790079>DEBATE MEI won't debate a logical fallacy, sorry.
>>737784312if millions of people are under the misconception that your service is actually a product, you are the one at fault and are probably just lying
>>737790139>SKG WON! NOW I CAN BUY UBISLOP WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT END OF SERVICE CORPORATIONS LOST
>>737790213I don't believe you. I maintain that it's a slippery slope argument so I'll continue to ignore that line of logic. Sorry.
>>737790236No, dude, even in the 90s, and 2000s homosexuals were saying "don't compare me to those mentally ill trans freaks". And before that mixed race couples did the same with gays.Point is slippery slope fallacy is prone to defending shitty human behavior, ffs you could argue letting a grown man sleep in a 13 years old girl room could cause problems, is THAT a slippery slope?Human factor isn't compatible when you call out slippery slope I could bring up several more examples, but everyone with a level head understands this.
>>737790376Argument ad populum is a logical fallacy. Sorry, I can't debate this line of logic.
>>737790469>>737790464
>>737790527>>737790236>I'M NOT DEBATING YOU, I'M NOT DEBATING YOU>NO I WON'T EXPLAIN WHY YOU'RE WRONG>YOU JUST ARE, OKAY?!Peak sharty logic.
>>737790079Rumao obvious faggot troll is an obvious faggot
>>737790527not an ad populum argument just because many people are involved, it's a matter of misrepresenting a service as a productif tons of people are getting ripped off by a scammer, you may want to look into the nature of his scam
>>737782594>just brave enough to go against the retarded masses.Just a reminder that most people were agreeing with him at the beginning, until everyone realized that he knows less about making games than RPGmaker devs
>>737790774Scary but true . Appeal authority fallacy was STROOOONG
>>737790608I explained why you are wrong very calmly. Pretending I shouted at you isn't an argument either.
So... the games can't die anymore? Will they be kept alive forever like zombies or Jesus?
>>737790965No, you didn't. You just accused it of being a fallacy, and never explained how.
>>737790735>it's a matter of misrepresenting a service as a productYup, and as a matter of fact it wasn't misrepresented. I don't care if a million people thought it was.
>>737791036He thinks because if you suggest "hey, what if this happens in the future", its a slippery slope fallacy.Slippery slope fallacy is kinda a shit one because it demands common sense, and retards will use it when its completely valid, people with bad intentions use it to deflect, even when a million examples of slopes that got slippery happened.
>>737790236>You made a point?>sorry, but there's a logical fallacy for that. >No, I can't apply why it applies in my opinion.>I can't even explain what the fallacy is meant to express. >It's just this fallacy which is god given and ABSOLUTE truth. When something is a fallacy on wikipedia it is always a win for me if I speak its name, even if it doesn't apply. >this was supposed to be my "I win" button, stop asking questions.>I am very smart. lmao
>>737791036It is a logical fallacy, because slippery slope logic is faulty logic. It is illogical and has inconsistent results. It isn't to be relied upon. Hope this helps.
>>737791178Was typing that easier than making a logical defense of SKG?
>>737791204Except they can, and have, explained how the logical progression of events led us to this current dystopia. Slippery slope fallacy requires there to be zero connections in logic between two events. For example:>if I say that xbox charging for online is a slippery slope of greed that will result in other corporations charging for online, this is NOT a slippery slope because it's built on the natural assumption that corporations can and will wring people dry for every pennyYou'd have to argue that corporations aren't greedy and won't charge people over the most mundane of things.
>>737791156>>737791036Retards mix up the concept with a slippery slope with the slippery slope fallacy. The fallacy is when you argue X leads to Y without being able to explain why, when it could reasonably not actually lead to that given some circumstances. Making the argument that devs can currently just make their games into always-online central server hosted shit and then pulling it is not a slippery slope fallacy. It's not even a slippery slope argument, because it doesn't argue it WILL lead to that, simply that it's a current possibility within existing regulations. I lost track of this retarded argument, but whoever brought up slippery slope here is a retarded pseud who has no clue what's even going on, he just wanted to say a fallacy like a power word.
>>737791301>no true scotsmanlmao, I win
>>737791204>slippery slope logic is faulty logic.If its faulty logic how come the slope has been slippery millions of times across history?I like to think slippery slope fallacy killed rome>Ceaser, if you continue your tyranny and callousness, your men will betray you and rome will fall>LOL FAHGET THATS SLIPPERY SLOPE FALLACY >*Ceaser gets stabbed* >Who could have predicted this???!!!!
>>737774520It makes life for soulless jewish corporations ever so slightly harder and ever so slightly impedes their ability to spread their satanic influence and steal the money of naive dorky normalfags who don't know any better. As a result of that there is just overall less evil in the world. I'll be very happy when Ubishits and Snoys and Microkikes and other scum start making FEWER Concords.
>>737791303Your 5th attempt to get me to take slippery slope arguments seriously has also failed. I won't be debating that posters logic.Service games exist =/= service games will take over. Not only that it completely hinges on the false assumption that service games are bad, which is entirely up to personal opinion.
>>737791519Retards mix up "cause and effect" with "slippery slope fallacy" a LOT
>>737791576>Service games exist =/= service games will take over.Sony literally just proved you wrong with their "all your purchases will expire in 30 days" bullshit.
>>737791576>Service games exist =/= service games will take over. Link to the post that claimed service games will take overSurely you wouldn't be engaging in a... strawman fallacy???
>>737791519False equivalence.
>>737791701Fallacy fallacy.
>>737791567Why would they stop making them? Shit eaters love them so much that they'd try to change the law so they can play them for longer.
>>737791643No they didn't.>>737791687>>737788753OP is free to further elaborate his claims. I maintain that this is a slippery slope argument.
>>737791379>The fallacy is when you argue X leads to Y without being able to explain why, when it could reasonably not actually lead to that given some circumstances.Yeah, I think if skg failed entirely, i could see the industry double down, buying indies, using live service model to kill them over like a year or something. Its legal now, and that would brick previous steam customers, and make customers available.>>737791576If the industry finds that its legally not only unchallenged, but legally entirely supported, why WOULDN'T they?? I would if I was that evil.>Hey fuckstick been enjoying ww2shooter17? LOL we made it a live service AAAAND its gone, buy ww2shooter18 or kill yourselfDon't tell me they aren't that evil. They would. They already delist stuff all the time.But this is BASICALLY what you are saying, you can say "slubbery sluup" all you want, you are in effect saying you doubt any publisher would EVER try this, even in a situation where they were legally as free as a bird to do so.
>>737791841>No they didn't.Get a load of this lying schmuck.
>>737791841So you just admitted you can't quote such a post and are strawmanning, congrats
>>737791842>service games are evilNo they aren't. Wow what a weak argument. Did your entire argument actually hinge on that? How weak and pathetic.
>>737791841>OP is free to further elaborate his claims.He tried but you dismissed it saying "I won't engage with logical fallacies" lmao. I love when pseuds throw around words they read on reddit while engaging in blatantly obvious circular logic
>>737791638I'd call that cause and effect if the industry is told live service death is 100% acceptable at any point.That then they could get best selling games from a decade ago, kill it, release again. Again, 0 reason they wouldn't. Tons of reasons they would.
>>737774341>we're SAVING games!cute bumper sticker slogan. Then you peel back the curtain and all SKG is "saving" is garbage live-service ubislop
>>737791964Some companies are yes. Are you unaware of EAs rep, or Nintendo, or ubisof???I didn't say the very concept of a live service game was evil btw, just some companies.
>>737791918I don't see how this proves me wrong. My point still stands: No they didn't prove me wrong.
>>737775253>Pick a government>Don't let it do literally anything for you>No, they must keep taking our taxes and fucking our 7 year old daughters before cannibalizing them foreverThe worst kind of lolbert.
>>737791931>>737791974It looks like a slippery slope argument to me.
>>737791980Why do people keep repeating this? There's a lot of games that were genuinely good and are no longer playable and werent live service slop. For example war of the roses and war of the vikings, or Nosgoth. Then there's games that are ABOUT TO BE delisted, like that vampire: the masquerade game. I found it quite fun Just because you don't play anything but live service slop doesn't mean this is all that exists on the kiked always online structure
>>737792064Aren't you forgetting someone?
>>737792095Sony is actively proving that companies want to turn ALL games into service games. Even if there's no logical reason to do so. They have motive and financial incentive to do so, and we also have precedent in the form of single player games that constantly need an online connection, and singleplayer games that can't even be played anymore because the authentication servers shut down. Need I remind you of GFWL?
>>737776063You are literally a hypocrite unless you live off the grid.
>>737776631>lolbert who lobbies for governments not doing their job even more brags about paying the goy fee more than we doCreatures like you can't be made up, you are the kind of jest only the universe itself is capable of conceiving.
>>737792382It's actual slave mentality. House niggers were famously very proud of being the best slaves who helped their masters out the most.
>>737792290What, because lootboxes that literally everyone else has?I think they add more good than bad, like a man who forcibly rapes his wife, but also makes the cure to cancer open source.Seriously though valve has been OVERWHELMINGLY good for gamers
>>737775253No, let's force gummits to do THEIR FUARKING JOB within the limits of legal/executive framework already present.
>>737792301If digital games having required online checks is what determines that a game is a service game that would put the entirety of Steam, GoG, amd EGS as a service platform as well
>>737782649For the rest of the universe's existence*Why do you think there's all this talk about space colonization lately? Corpos are preparing to create colonies in other solar systems for when our sun burns out.
>>737792569Because they sell service games (evil).In fact, they sold a service game (evil) with an up front charge of $20 disguising it as a product (evil). Then killed it. >>737781070
>>737783243>Those repliesI don't even understand how many layers of irony we're all under anymore.
He will be vindicated once this "movement" inevitably flops
>>737792675>GOGTheir installers don't require constant online checks.
>>737789243How does free education work in the EU? In my country they basically have the government hand-pick a number of "slots" in the colleges and universities of their choice and you have to pass a government-organized universal education test (to bypass corrupt school teachers giving their pets free As) and only the smartest cunts get to have government-sponsored scholarships, which they can be easily stripped of if they don't maintain their performance on an acceptable level. I thought it was an awesome system because it encourages students to study well, allows bright poorfags an out, and doesn't have the glaring flaw that american student loans have where you just give free money to any retard that doesn't know its value and spends it on gender studies degrees.
>>737789320Adobe is on another level of legal, intuitional, and financial expertise than game companies.In the buffer state analogy it would be like Ubisoft slop gaming is currently a grey territory where the consumers claiming land and making defensive lines is to the tech corporations really just a border skirmish. In contrast, going after Adobe is like trying to a major city, its not just poking the bear, its walking up and trying to land a haymaker on the bear.
>>737791786Because these "games" rely on milking cattle. If you can't shut down Overconcordex Legends 1 to force cattle to buy Overconcordex Legends 2, then you will probably not make Overconcordex Legends 2.
>>737792908A digital card game with a 6/10? Never even heard of it...But also it doesn't seem DEAD, as I can still see people playing it with 240 in-game right now sooo....NOT A DEAD GAME. Just unpopular and no longer developed. HUUUUUGE difference...
>>737781174What a young lad./
>>737775253YesVote in favour of consumer protections, always
>>737774341We need him to save Playstation now
>>737776405Yes, but we should probably give them disabled parking spaces and minders
>>737793283Why does it matter? Look at Payday 3; it died (after people already purchased it and they didnt get a refund) and the cattle went back to getting milked in Payday 2. The corporations still won.
>>737778714They built some decent roads in my area and kept food standards relatively highNo chlorinated chicken for me, thanks
>>737793025He will probably move in to having a ferret fucker cult
>>737793309Just saying that by your definition Valve is evil. Take some time to digest this.FYI it should be difficult for a massive SKG shill and anti copyright anti capitalist communist to align morally with Valve. But knowing how shallow and pathetic your morals and ideals are I'm sure its just a monday for you.
>>737793556It literally isn't. FIRST off, pretty sure I said EA, UBISOFT, NINTENDO are evil, but not necessarily why Second, artifact isn't a dead game, its still alive, that example didn't apply. You just wasted my time.
>>737793556>FYI it should be difficult for a massive SKG shill and anti copyright anti capitalist communist to align morally with ValveI disagree. The two mindsets are not at odds with eachother.
>>737793483Probably would have won less if some of that Payday 3 cattle stayed in 3 and didn't come back to 2 to get milked more.Personally, I don't see this bringing us into the golden age of vidya or some shit, and it's targeted pretty much entirely at shit games that were made with predatory bullshit in mind, so it's not gonna give me any games I was gonna play anyway. But it fucks with the corpos, and it's literally better than nothing, even if not meaningfully. If that fungal fella is gonna do all the legwork for me, I don't see why I shouldn't feel nice about him getting his way.
>>737793671Pretty sure you said service games are evil and Valve almost exclusively makes service games. Are you changing your stance?
>>737793887Those two things don't conflict. What's your point?
>>737793887Cool find the post and quote me then.Oh wait, I said "they", rather nebulously, after referring to a hypothetical.You make up just as much shit as Jason, did you also work as a coffee technician at blizzard for 7 years?
>>737794009>Cool find the post and quote me then.No thanks. It's in recent memory. Two people don't ask each other to prove or debate things spoken moments ago. You're just looking to deflect away from your obvious on record display of dishonesty and hypocricy.
>>737794335NTA but>Two people don't ask each other to prove or debate things spoken moments agoYes, they do. You MUST be able to prove that something was said. You must at least link to it even once. Or you can and will be discarded as a liar.
>>737775253Don't want the government bum rushing what you do?Don't run your business like predatory retards that openly stiff the public, lolbert.
>>737794335So you're fucking lying..>>737791842>>Hey fuckstick been enjoying ww2shooter17? LOL we made it a live service AAAAND its gone, buy ww2shooter18 or kill yourself>Don't tell me they aren't that evil.That's the post yall keep sperging about. Notice I didn't make any definitions on what makes them evil, even who, i just said "they" are evil >>737794392I appreciate the common sense logic. Can't expect any from shills who studied under maldavius figtree.
>>737794392No I clearly remember her saying service games are evil, and this evil will take over the industry, in a slipperly slope argument that I dismissed. All while championing Valve, one of the worlds most successful publishers of service games. I maintain my honesty and I will do nothing for you.
>>737794704Yet you are too lazy to ctrl f and quote. Shill harder pajeet.
>>737794812Shill harder pajeet.
>>737776510>It's just impossible to do because of my imaginary scenario>Stop fighting it>Give up and quit caring so much so things can continue getting worseNo, lol.
>>737794894Kek. I made him seethe, he's just repeating shit back at me.Btw WHO would be paying shills for skg exactly? Who benefits? EU already censors, taxes, and killing all live service means less tax money....What is your theory there for this little fairy tale?
Dear americansnobody cares about your opinions about goverment regulationsyou are slaves who have never revolted against your pathetic gov since it became a democracyyou buy mountains of guns yet you will never fire a single shot at the people ruining your lifeyou are a bunch of cowards and anything you say doesnt matter to anyone with self-respectt.the world
Kek. I made him seethe.
>>737782321>He won.lollmao
>>737795630Go eat some buttered chicken. You clearly aren't at your best right now. Repetion is what we expect from toddlers here.
>JEET JEET JEETReally, three times? Repetion is what we expect from toddlers here.
>>737794704The first person in the entire thread that said, and I quote, "service games are evil" is YOUR post. >>737791964That is how you back up a claim. By linking to the post.
>>737796148Kinda racist to assume only indians eat buttered chicken.
>>737796170Then we agree. Service games aren't evil.
>>737796302Meant for >>737795793
>>737796471No meant for >>737796148Actually.
>>737796534Sure.
>>737796421Not all of them. Predatory garbage is evil.
>>737778595The radicalization will continue until morale improves
>>737796421Live service (being companies hosting servers) is absolutely fine. What isn't it taking money, EXCLUSIVELY running the servers, and then shutting them off leaving the purchase unusable.I'm fine if its live service for 5 years then given private servers or whatever.
Keep in mind ross never wanted this he just wanted someone to do the bare minimum and do something devs have been doing since the 90s. SKG was actually at first just about getting devs to listen to the fans and make a change its only when the fans were ignored did they have to go the government route. He also has stated multiple times he never wanted to lead SKG and would gladly step down if someone much more qualified came up but everyone that came to him said "you should do it" and nows hes gordon freeman'd himself into saving games
>>737796690Like lootboxes, season passes, and MTX?
>>737796848Now that there is some momentum in the EU with actual politicians on board he says that he'll be slowly moving back towards making vids and THE MOVIE.
>>737796906Loot boxes for cosmetics arent THAT BAD, but they are heavily monitized. Weapons that perform different and aren't easily accessible otherwise are kinda scummy though Season passes CAN BE fine, or rather, if you mean upcoming dlc purchased at discount rate? Got it for teardown, happy with it.A LITERAL season pass with weaponized fomo because its limited time access to content is kinda scummy, not quite evil though. Just an idiot tax.Micros (who tf calls it mtx) i generally dislike but I also think it could be ok if done ok? Tf2 generally did a pretty good job with it, i guess the whole man vs machine thing was monetized, but it doesn't seem as anally aggressive as mobile games, and its a tiny part, and they maintain modding and Private servers so.. its excusable.
>>737774341>going back and rewatching this now that you know how it turns out in the endwhat a good game dungeon
>>737797657It is really cool that somehow, they revived the crewAnd I don't even like racers at all
>>737774341Usually /v/ overblows the problem of shills on the board, but this time I think there are actual company hired goons, trying to disrupt and steer people away from saving vidya.
>>737797768No it's just a regular joe like me beating your ass the fuck out daily
>>737775253>Let's allow the goverments to allow corporations to have no regulations>This will surely save video games
>>737797932>Let's allow the goverments to allow corporations to have no regulationsNobody is advocating for this.
>>737774520>>737775253
>>737774341>>737776279>>737776216I found it odd that his voice sounded a lot more normal during the EU hearing. Is he making that grating whiny yelling voice on purpose to manipulate the algorithm or to appeal to adhd zoomers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcogLmxnJw
>>737797768What's funnier to me is how ineffective it is.
>>737798009Your whole argument is that it should be legal for companies to scam people
>>737798135Even though I'm right wing, its not leftists...its shills and executives hiring shills.Left and right has no divide here for once
>>737774341You lost old man. Sony just changed digital rights management to force you to connect to their servers once a month. If they can do that, they simply shut off the server thus rendering your game unplayable. You can't save video games
>>737774341Who is this guy and how is see so powerful? What's his origin story?
>>737774341what a disgusting creature
>>737798135They're right thoughThere is zero relationship between SKG and high quality games like Ace Combat 4 on the PS2 because killing games is an irrelevant factor for quality gamesYou people never refute this or even attempt to, you either ignore it or spam your NPC script of yelling corporate bootlicker
>>737798345He's Gordon Freeman
>>737798345Started on old channel called machinina, making "civil protection servies"Known for freemans mind series.Disconnected from machinima, kept doing his stuff, made game dungeon. Well respected for being a YouTube veteran and nice guy with no crash outs ever.Fought to make SKG real, purely off of sheer effort, tenacity and begging for help (not money help, experts help) Skg almost failed because Pirate software lied, he only called it out last minute because he didn't want to be a drama tuber. Internet went to arms, skg won the signaturesSpoke at parliament this month.Swell fucking dude.
>>737798205No it isn't.
Soon europeans will get to experience their first ever taste of rights.
>>737798486>>737798486>killing games is an irrelevant factor for quality gamesOne day, helldivers 2 may die .....is this not a quality game?
>>737779673>
>>737776135>food analogy
>>737799008You have to go for the normiest of normalfag shitHelldiversGta OnlineFortniteAny Fromsoft multiplayer cod zombies or tf2
>>737799578>Oh shit he named a really really good game with no dedicated server software!!!!>CALL IT NORMIE SHIT moving goalposts again I see
>>737799008Those based and lazy Swedish bastards probably wouldn't have let Helldivers 2 die regardless but it'll be be nice to get some assurance when things get ironed out. It won't be retroactive but I imagine some companies will want to announce concrete end of life plans to some current games since it'll be free PR.
>>737800382>a whole percent of Finland's population signedI kneel, spurdos
>>737778714New central city train stationComplete power lines upgradeFull new roads with no potholesImproved plumbingFar less brownouts than 5 years ago
>>737774341Will SKG stop Sony's new DRM where you have to log in every 30 days or lose access to all your digital games?
>saving video games>by killing th industryWhere did this guy learn to save something, the United States?
>>737801163Wasn't Australia asking for steam refunds ALSO supposed to "kill the industry?"
>>737776257ok that's based
>>737775253>use the state to stop people from maintaining a product you no longer support at no cost to your company>DO NOT tell the state I shouldn't be allowed to do this
>>737801306It's wild that no one even realizes this is actually an attempt to STOP overreach via zealous enforcement of IP law, and instead just resorts to>shut up lolbert
>>737801117It will in the circumstances where the game comes out after legislation has been passed and the servers you need to communicate with to be allowed to play are being shut down, but as long as you can hypothetically log in to comply with the DRM then no.So DRM right now but no risk of absolute lockout in the future.
>>737801306Yeah, ip law needs a swift kick in the nuts. Maybe not killed, but its gotten so bad.
>>737801117Depends on how thorough the SKG laws will be. What if you still can play the game after 30 days, but all your DLCs or skins are turned off, since those aren't considered 'essential component of the game' or something?I can see companies go for specific wordings to weasel out of responsibilities again, like with subscription services vs product purchase vs licenses.
>>737801163When a house has red mold, they can't salvage it. Gotta burn it to the ground before you can rebuild.Sad but true.
>>737782594Log off, Jason
Google is locking down android and ID verification is required for OS installation but thank God I can play The Crew from 2014
>>737774520>How does enabling shit taste subhumans to grind Ubisoft live service titles for their entire lives improve video games in any capacity?We get the satisfaction to see Ubisoft suffer
>>737799578>Have to keep listing dogshit games and games where players have had their own servers for over a decadePlease just name 1 good game
>>737803886You ignored hell divers 2. You called it NORMIE, but not bad.Do you think ANY game is good? Seriously name 3 games you love right now.
>>737804131Monmusu Quest ParadoxSuccubus PrisonMegaman 2
>>737789046if they did we wouldn't need initiative retard.
>>7378042282 gooner games and a game so vintage its impossible to prevent piracy?! Lmao.Though I think unless they Drm your monster titties you wouldn't care if live service shit burned the entire industry to the ground.
>>737798537Did jason had a meltie after hearing Ross spoke at the parliament? I refuse to believe he didn't check up on it.
>>737804346>goonerAre you 12 years old or just a lobotomite from tiktok?
>>737801826That would be cutting parts of the game you paid for. I'm pretty sure that this would count as malicious complienece.
>>737774520How does spending money on a game you won't ever be able to play again improve video games?
>>737804454Not that I saw, unfortunately. He did have a MASS mod exodus though, and kinda unclear if it was quit / fired / laid off, and even called khronos a fucking parasiteHe says its because he's out of money, but there's suspicion it was more of a (heh) mutiny
>>737775253motherfucker, the government already controls what can and can't be sold, are you retarded?
>>737775253t. asbestos enjoyer
>>737804628kek this reminds me of some of the early SKG threads
>>737804553Buying "games" designed to scam retards like you makes the entire industry worse.
SKG allows publishers to stop selling games whenever they want but the copies already sold can't be taken away right?
>>737804519I don't feel the need to play commercial release porn games, much LESS list them as "top 3 games"Ffs my top 3 for lately is maybe... modded openxcom extended, noita, and risk of rain 2 maybe?? 3rd place could easily be other stuff but ffs, I can name non porn games easily.Yes, you are a weirdo if you hear "top 3 games" and over half of them are porn. Sounds like you don't actually even like games, but like beating your meat.We are not the same.>>737804628Asbestos is actually fucking harmless if not disturbed, and cleaning it is a simple as hazmat and a misting system. Its dangerous but not like radioactive.>>737804701Yeah , THAT is dangerous, but something like asbestos internal paneling on stuff is pretty safe.
>>737804858More or less, yes.
>>737774520The quality of a piece of art should not dictate its right to continually exist.
>>737804871You asked for 3 games I love, not my top 3.... What's your problem............?
>>737804938And your mind IMMEDIATELY went to porn for 2 out of 3.....i could of probably dismissed 1 out of 3, but you have more porn than games, like a ps4 with a playboy atop it.
>>737778390It doesn't "remove the ability" for them to do that.It mandates upfront detail on life expectancy at point of purchaseIt asks provisions made at the end of a games life so people can continue to play it after support ends.Why the is SKG one of the worst examples of people so confidently spreading shit when they don't even understand the basic premise?So EA can keep doing what they are doing as long as they say the servers will shut down after 5 years and the release an SDK at the end, forcing people to choose whether to fork out money to host a server.
>>737804908I thought we were talking about Skinner boxes not art
Has this thread ever been anything else but 4 fags from discord coming here to confess how much they love Ross jizz?They cannot fathom that Ross could be wrong, the sheer suggestion causes them lose their heads. They are incapable of responding without impotent rage.But anyways I guess I will enjoy the EULA update this will cause so now I will REALLY have to read the TOS before playing online.Reddit...we won.
>>737805029Intentionally misunderstand all you want, but games with the most predatory microtransactions are still art.Why would you want to delete evidence of a system being so shitty? Wouldn't you want to preserve as much gaming history as you can to better learn from its many successes and mistakes?
>>737805019Shouldn't be surprised to see this in a thread about defending live service games, but you're such a braindead normalfag that you instantly dismiss games with unmatched depth and attention to detail simply because they contain nudity and straightness.
>>737805126Daily reminder your shit copy pasta has nothing to do with skg , was an anti skg poster, and isn't even applicable to how skg works Comparison which would work is, did you buy a burger at this bar? Yes? That is YOUR BURGER now, even if they are closing and need the plate and shit, they should give you YOUR burger because YOU paid for it.
I CANT WAIT TO PLAY CONCORD AND HIGHGUARD AND THE CREW WITH MY FELLOW SKGAMERS
>>737775253assuming that your problem these days is the government and not the monopolies that have consolidated their foothold on the market cannibalizing the competition, lobbying against your best interests and going unregulated because now they have proven to be above the law simply because they dictate the law, after creating a hellish plutocratic dystopia that will consume the world as you know and leave it in a putrid state of sanitized corporate friendly husk of consumerism and and soulless hedonism. All of this is fact, no matter how much they'd try to censor it and make you believe otherwise, there is no turning back!
>>737805323This but unironically
>>737805176This isn't about preserving a gameIt's about your right to continue eating the maggot infested shit you gleefully purchased knowing full well you'd catch aids from eating it
>>737805240Only sethtzeentach I tolerate pedaling porn and pretending its deeper.Also I have a hunch those REALLY aren't that deep, its not why you play it EITHER. And I don't have a desire to be mix porn in my gaming, I also don't mix my eggs bacon and orange juice into a fucking slurry.
Maldavius Figtree status?
>>737805126>retard soldier image againBut bars are a service. SKG isn't about services
>>737805367>no you're wrong>piss shit fuck maggot cunt bitch fucking aids cockThanks for conceding the argument, rajesh. Hopefully the $2 the corpos paid you will help you be able to afford that new street toilet.
>>737805394I'm sure an open-minded intellectual such as yourself would be willing to pirate one of the games to see for yourself if there's anything worthwhile there.
>>737805419Malding, staff left, begging to join kik, social blade of his twitch dropping like a rock
>>737805448>PAYING $70+DLC TIP TO UBISOFT IS HOW I DESTROY THE CORPORATIONS!!!!!
>>737805463At least give a fucking pitch, I'm not pirating some sketch fucking porn game just because some shill who hates me says so. You think I'm retarded??
>>737805527I know you're retarded, otherwise you wouldn't get instantly mindbroken by nudity existing in media.
>>737805553>Not wanting to download some sketch porn shit I've literally never heard of which probably infested with more viruses than a Ugandan hooker>"Retarded"
>>737805630>Never heard of games popular on /v/ for years>Literally afraid of running a game not designed by the corposTourist? Here because you're a fan of some eceleb attached to Stop Killing Slop Games?
>>737789320Adobe is a subscription service you dip, it wouldn't fall under SKG's proposed standards and conversely going after subscriptions would do fucking nothing for the games SKG wants to preserve.
>This is a 'problem' that ONLY affects bad games so you're an idiot for caring about it, I'd never play those games>Oh no, that's not to say I avoid the games BECAUSE of this problem, THAT would mean admitting its actually affected me in some way, you see it just so happens that ALL those games are bad INDEPENDENTLY of this problem, by sheer chanceSomehow there's someone like this in every thread on this topic
I don't really understand the hating. Maybe I'm just stupid but haven't we all enjoyed a game a some point which was later taken offline? There are 25 year-old multiplayer games which I can still play because they came with the ability to host locally. Yet many modern games lack this feature meaning they go away forever when the money runs out. It can feel a bit like we've gone backwards.
>>737805750I don't follow threads about porn slop, or rpg maker slop. Even assuming there are popular (they aren't, succubus dungeon has basically no player's) i wouldn't give a shit about either aspects.Also good job outing yourself as a tourist by assuming all posters on V are a monolith. About half the threads on here I think are pointless.
>>737779545>there ain't shit you can do about it.Is this about the insect regulation? Because that shit makes sense if you put the slightest bit of research in it. It's effectively impossible to produce food in an entirely sterile environment and even if it were, you'd pretty much kill every non-megacorp food producer because it'd be unfeasible for them. Introducing a maximum for inclusions forces a safe standard while allowing some leniency because one fly mashed into ten tons of butter ain't gonna do shit to you dawg.
>>737805323If like a dozen people liked it and didn't want to see it go, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to host their own servers
>>737805323Those two actually escape since Concord refunded everyone and Highguard was F2P
>>737780238Correct, no other industry is held to the standard of a "forever service", but "games as service" is a misnomer. Games are a product, and consumer protections for EVERY OTHER INDUSTRY say that products are either obtained permanently once paid for, are sold with an expected end date, or are provided temporarily via a subscription. That's SKG's whole argument - that the gaming industry is engaging in semantic tomfoolery by calling games a service to sidestep the standards every other industry has to deal with and the lack of legislation on a relatively new industry lets them get away with it.
>>737806104Barely any players...? You're pretending to not be retarded while also steamcharts posting? Of course you think many threads are pointless when you dismiss almost everything except for triple a trash, and also actively refuse to play video games for no reason other than not having normalfag approval.
>>737806871Its not about normal fag approval, its the fact that rpg maker games are by autists for autists, and if you are Autistic, doubt I'll like your shit.
>>737807215K
Are we seriously trying to argue that fighting for people being able to host dead games and play them after the retarded shit for brain companies have shut them down and bricked them is a bad thing.
>>737807598You must understand. Japanese and American corporate cocksuckers need that fat corporate cock to be busting their assholes 24/7.
>>737799008No
