The fuck was her problem?
>>737944808Wanted to save the world from evil so she did.
>>737944808she needed a husband (me)
>>737944808She saw that her parents were sinners and went full sicko mode on them, changed her name and cut her hair.In soirt, she was a dubass fucking teenager.
>>737944808People deserve free will.
>>737944808machiavellianism dark triad who didn't want to be subordinated by the fingers so pressed the nuclear button killing organising a plot to kill her brother and drive her father's other self insane
>>737944850>>737944958Retarded simps
>>737944808She didn't want to be a puppet for cosmic forces for her entire existence and Marika refused to elaborate on literally anything under any circumstance, so her Mom thought she got NTR'd to the point of mind break.
>>737945038Half right. Marika didn't care about Godwyn dying. She locked Messmer in the shadow zone she didn't give 2 fucks about her kids. She actively stopped them from taking her place lol. >>737945086Nah I just like being a good guy and saving the world.
>>737944958in elden ring everyone already has free will otherwise why would there be factions. This marionette bitch just wanted to take power for herself and you let her because you are a simpwhere does she say the free will shit?
>>737945305She literally leaves the planet after ‘taking power’ so humans can govern themselves
>>737945305>in elden ring everyone already has free willNah m8 fate is dictated by aliens controlling everyone. Its not real fate stuff, but aliens so powerful that they fun the local populace like no other.
>>737945362How is that good. >I get elected as president to bring order to the nation, >I tell elon must to send me in a rocket to space>I let a bunch of niggers and muslims rape whtie families unpunished>anarchy survival of the fittest the strong takes >I never return
>>737945305>in elden ring everyone already has free will otherwise why would there be factions.what the fuck are you smoking
>>737945469Free will is always good.
>>737945469that isn't what happened so why did you post it
>>737945532They already have free will, they just want a stable government.
>>737945582They don't though, fate dictates their lives. Marika's god literally kills heroes the moment they finish their chores.
>>737945656>They don't thoughprove it
>>737945667>Marika's god literally kills heroes the moment they finish their chores.
>>737945667Ok you got me i just want to simp for the blue doll im a lonely retard ok you happy now?
>>737945138>Marika didn't care about Godwyn dyingGodwyn was the darling of the Golden Order, she crashed out in response to his death >She locked Messmer in the shadow zone she didn't give 2 fucks about her kidsPost crashout when her children started dying and she gave up on life. Play the DLC again and find the blessings of Marika given to Messmer. Then there's Melina who learnt Marika's minor erdtree incantation born out of Marika's kindness and love for her village. An incantation used in the fight against Morgott, it's somewhat ironic or perhaps intentional that the Golden rain falls on Morgott too Then there's Gideon saying "maybe the Queen's sorrow was justified" when we report back that Miquella was abducted by Mohg
>>737945763She didn't care though, Melina eventually tells you why Marika broke the ring.
>>737945752Very
>>737945138>Nah I just like being a good guy and saving the worldNarcissism of the average Ranni simp on show thinking that removing the Golden Order, sumounted to making the average age of people living shorter and leaving the lands between is saving the world
>>737946126Nothing wrong with being the hero in a video game.
>I don't want to be a puppet of the fingers and GO/GW>Becomes a puppet of the moon instead What did she mean by this
>>737946126>The Golden Order>Makes people live long af>the only downside is the ultra old dementia effect where they have been living so long they become like triple sleepy joe zombie like >you dont have to worry about turning undead until Tranni killed Godwyn with the Black Knives and Godwyn corrupted the life cycle of the Erd Tree making undead aka Souls that are suffering in a perma zombified state because they dont get to reach the grace of life again to recycleRanni is the villian, she is half the reason why the world is fucked up. Undeads ravaging people so they die so necromancers rape their souls = Ranni The TrannyObjectively a fucking egotistical bad person.
>>737946371Free will. Moons let the experiment play out instead of controlling it.
>>737946409+ she leaves and doesnt solve the undead problem she created Ranni is a piece of shitoh but "free will" o algo (lies, that faggot is doing taqiyya)
>>737946461Ok and who is going to solve the undead problemAll the golden order people were on it. But they are the bad ones BECAUSE THEY JUST ARE OK?!ur retarded
>>737946505NR shows there is no undead problem, they become people over time like you'd expect.
>>737946562There is no problem, play Nightreign. One of the big heroes in Nightreign is a TWWID that saves the world. He chooses the good side when he doesn't have to.
>>737946573>NR shows there is no undead problemYou are a worse liar than a theocratic shithole country dictator with the amount of lies you are shitting out too keep the population retarded and docile or to soften them up so something worse can overtake them rn
>>737946771Have you not beaten Nightreign or something?
>>737946409Factos
>>737944808born to be a pawn in a retarded game so she flipped the board over.
>>737946840What does this have to do with anything why do you change topic like Leftists do to avoid taking accountability and scheming more of their manipulative political lies?There is fucking skeletons killing people in Elden Ring, that problem must be solved, the Golden Order was set on solving it. You want to interrupt their work for some Blue Puppet Whore you like because of hentai doujins. And you call that choice moral? Keeping the Public at risk to some fucking skeletons that want to snatch their souls to enslave them to the undead army all due to the egotism of a fucking blue doll bitch that liked magic and the moon and ice and shit.She is a fucking bitch.
>first girl you meet give you a horsecock ring>2nd girl gives you her personal pack of dogs
>>737947040TWWID become normal people over time.
>>737946573NR introduces a different undeath problem with greg.
>>737947176No, you end the Night in Nightreign.
>>737944808She thinks that the god queen of the golden order stole her dad and broke her mother's heart. Because she is a lorelet and didn't know that Radagon and Marika are the same person. She was right to hate Radagon go, that guy was an ungrateful autistic faggot>>737944958Ranni's ending is not the free will ending. She literally hands over dominion of the world to hateful mind controlling aliens.
>>737947212Free will though innit?
>>737947118I'm going to assume your lie is true.Ok over time. The public wants peace and order NOW in the setting of the game. >I promise you that over time the skeletons that raped your family are going to go away and everything will be normal so let them thrust a fucking sword through your chest buddy it will go awayYou are a retard simp of a fucking lunatic. Literally a Lunatic, as in that bitch has her head on the Moon.Tranni is so fucking evil she doesnt even recognize or care about the outbreak of the undead she unleashed. All that shit was her fault.
>>737945714>>Marika's god literally kills heroes the moment they finish their chores.where does the game say that?
>>737947253>Free will though innit?Yeah, its the only ending that removes the elden ring so people can live how they want.
>>737946573Nightreign is a self contained alternate timeline where the Nox successfully created a lord of night before the shattering, and it resulted in global catastrophe.
>>737947076Torrent is a girl goat horse
>>737947279>The public wants peace and order NOW in the setting of the game.Then do Fia's ending. >>737947297Hero's Rune. >>737947302Same timeline though.
>>737947302Its not, Nightreign has the sword Radagon turns into. Its a dragon break situation a la elder scrolls.
>>737947253No. The moon and stars which Ranni worships and empowers seek to control the world. This is what "fate" is in elden ring, literal alien mind control. This is why Marika blocked out the sky and why Radahn scourged the stars, they are fucking evil. >>737947298The Elden Ring is just where life comes from. Moving it away from the planet doesn't do anything except protect it from damage (unless Ranni herself decides to damage it). It does not help or hurt people directly.
>>737947341>Same timeline though.It's not. The events of nightreign cause the game not to happen.>>737947424The sword is there for the same reason fucking dark souls bosses are there, spacetime got fucked up within that timeline. Luckily the nightfarers erased that continuity.
>>737947434>The moon and stars which Ranni worships and empowers seek to control the world.Sadly no. They gave the same option to Rennala and Rennala chose to play along with the game like her snow crone mentor urges Ranni to do. >>737947486Same timeline, the heroes from Nightreign create the grace Marika commands. Its just a time bubble within the normal timeline. A knot in time that gets unraveled in a long con.
>>737947341>Hero's Rune.>>There were once heroes who walked the battlefields, abundantly blessed by the Erdtree itself, who upon earning their honor simply died.The implication here is that such heroes existed, not that all heroes faced this fateyou're doing the usual lorefag induction
>>737947631And that they die as soon as they do an appointed task. That is their fate. They don't have to die anon, Marika's god is killing them because they were only tools for an end. They don't have to live and die like that.
>>737944808>family is a fucking mess>current capital G God is a fuck>moon god would do a totally better job at it for sure>only need to unleash death, kill that one guy everyone likes, explode my mortal shell, and do some other shit>ezpz lemon squeezy
>>737947631it means they lost to Radagon thats it but retarded OP has no media literacy.Radagon is the final test to make it. If you enter the erd tree. Not all Elden Lords entered the erd tree but if you want to see whats up inside there and marika and all that you have to and Radagon will beat yo ass so see if you are worthy.
>>737947631Thops dies as soon as he finishes his magnum opus, it applies to all people not just heroes. In the game a bunch of armors are bound with yellow ropes to show that their legs or arms are bound by fate and grace. All people believe in this notion and live their lives according to it and most of them suffer greatly as a result.
>>737947434it's implied the proximity of the elden ring matters for how it influences reality. by taking it far away not only do people stop fucking with it, its influence would be marginal. so even if ranni decides to fuck with it, it wouldn't affect much. basically ranni wants to take the toy away from the retarded children that keep destroying the natural order of things and causing hardships. the power of god would be distant and only felt, which is what the cold and dark metaphor is. and it's not unlike our relationship with god in the real world.
>>737947546>Sadly no. Yes. Why do you think Seluvis's roofie potions are made from starlight shards? Why do you think the plot of Ranni's quest is TYING her and yourself to fate, rather than severing herself from it? >They gave the same option to Rennala They tried to seduce her like they did to Ranni and she rightfully rejected them. Her only mistake was not telling her children about Radagon's true nature (presumably out of shame for taking futa cock) and for getting addicted to the rune of rebirth for no reason.>Its just a time bubble within the normal timeline. A knot in time that gets unraveled in a long con.True, I just consider that an alternate timeline. In the time travel sense, not a completely separate narrative continuity sense.
>>737947756This. Tranni is plain fucking awful.
>>737947823>it's implied the proximity of the elden ring matters for how it influences reality.The elden ring affects all terrestrial life no matter where you are, which is why changing it or destroying it affects the nature of life and death across the whole world. Moving away from the planet protects it from being harmed (except by Ranni herself) but otherwise does nothing. What would actually make Ranni's reign a retarded athiest redditor paradise is that she herself would be gone with no god to replace her, so there would be no actual divine authority on the planet to lead it. This is, of course, a bad thing, but not in her opinion.
>>737945796Melina says what?
>>737944808If the Golden Order is that great why Three out of Two Fingers disagree with it? Checkmate, Marikists.
>>737948007I think a world>unguarded from inter planetary warfare by astral metiorite beasts that kill everyone on sight>and an army of undead that kill everyone on sightis very cool anonjust let the 3rd world migrants come in and rape everyone while the president is absent in space everything will be fine just grill
>>737948116>If the Golden Order is that great why Three out of Two Fingers disagree with it? Because evil people like bad things and dislike good things
>>737947706Where does it say they died due to the Greater Will?It says such heroes existed and that they just died after earning honor.The only link is that they were abundantly blessed by the Erdtree.Did they choose to die to shed it's blessings, or did it's blessings shorten their lifes.Nothing implies it's like a killswitch.
>>737947871I see it as the same timeline just in an infinite bubble that grinds out grace used outside the bubble. The only way to beat this ultimate destroyer meteor was to convince it to stop itself and that might take infinite time so they made infinite time. The selfless nature of fighting back the night is what creates the grace for others to be guided by. It really is parallel to the dragon break in elder scrolls where something happens and doesn't happen at the same time and reality reconciles it after the fact and reality as a whole is skewed but always was this way now. >>737948007There are a group of characters that are sort of operating above the elden ring wars and see the bigger cycle it exists within. Ranni is one of them and removing the ring from the planet means that people can't fuck with it like Marika to a degree that the larger cycle is messed with. Everything good or bad that can happen within the cycle working as intended is acceptable. >>737948072She tells you things Marika said when you visit specific minor churches, they all form into a deeplore treatise that helps solve a bunch of the game's mysteries. She eventually tells you why Marika breaks the ring, and it isn't because of Godwyn.
>>737948193>Nothing implies it's like a killswitch.The game shows it happening with warrior heroes and bookworm stooges alike. People are mere tools for an end under the aliens vying for the ring.
>>737948148You don't need the president to defend yourself from invaders, you can do just fine on your own.
>>737948198>Ranni is one of them and removing the ring from the planet means that people can't fuck with it like MarikaSure, but there are other ways to accomplish this, such as simply reinforcing the ring to the point it can't be edited even by a client god, or by letting it be held by a god that both respects the natural order AND wants to help the world>Everything good or bad that can happen within the cycle working as intended is acceptable. I disagree. Fuck "cycles", fuck bad things happening. Marika's failure was due to wielding the power of a god selfishly and cruelly, not because of her GOOD intentions.
>>737948116>If the Golden Order is that great why Three out of Two Fingers disagree with it?max lel
>>737948295>No Standing Army or Police enforcing rules and orderGood luck. The world is literally being invaded by Space Monsters and underground skeletons and you are like yeah this is fine. We dont need the golden order. Which is solving both of those problems. Rhadan was Golden Order as well, he stopped the space invasion with gravity magic to send them the fuck back.
>>737948198>>737948349Also yes it was because of Godwyn. Or rather, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. His death (along with almost all of his progeny) proved that she had utterly failed to produce an eternal lineage and restore her family. Of course, this was almost entirely her own fault (for neglecting her less favored children and failing to properly deal with "Radagon's" kids), which she knows, which only added to her grief.
>>737946505>doesnt solve the undead problem she createdBurning the Erdtree should theoretically take care of that regardless, since Godwyn's corpse is in its roots and is the method by which TWLID are spreadingActually I don't see how Ranni *could* claim credit for, or fix, Godwyn's corpse in the Erdtree roots
>>737948349>or by letting it be held by a god that both respects the natural order AND wants to help the world>Marika's failure was due to wielding the power of a god selfishly and cruelly, not because of her GOOD intentions.you're making ranni's case here.
>>737948435Yeah but he was gay so fuck him
>>737948476No I'm not, because Ranni isn't even sticking around, let alone helping the world. In fact she actively sides WITH evil mind control space aliens over her own species. Or rather, her birth species, considering she's not even human anymore, having intentionally destroyed her own body to become a magic ghost bitch
>>737948435People will come up with their own government with new leaders. They always do. Nepheli, for example.
>>737948349>but there are other ways to accomplish thisThere might not be, the current alien manifested as a concept of absolute order, it isn't going to give up its control like we see in the past. The very act of manifesting these gods to dictate societies has itself evolved to a form that itself isn't playing by the rules. If you look at the hardcoded rules the 2 fingers have in place for how they structure the societies they govern there is a byrider that new empyreans are made and they replace the old. Marika fought against that at the 'god' level and radagon fought it at the 'tulpa' level and the elden beast fought it at the 'egregore' level. All 3 tiers of what the GO were in reality were themselves saying they weren't playing the game anymore they were going to keep the ring. The evolution of these alien gods isn't some chaos whirlpool to bask in, it has been moving in a stepped fashion toward more organized states of statis. Absolute Order would become crystal-like-law. The ring wars have to end because they are already at their final culmination of absolute order.
>>737948504Ranni is at least bisexual
>>737948435Radahn and his posse are Redmanes, they aren't actually specified to be of the Golden Order at any point (in fact Radahn being a Liurnian would heavily suggest against any kind of allegiance there, even with having Radagon's red hair as pedigree and the inspiration behind the red)
>>737948538>In fact she actively sides WITH evil mind control space aliens over her own species.Where the fuck did you guys get this from? Any actual references in the game to this?
>>737948565>Nepheli, for example.A woman will solve all the problems of the Lands Between, in a setting where women ruined everything and men fixed everything.
>>737948435>Space Monsters and underground skeletonsjust throw sentient silver balls at them lol
>>737948635In a setting where women are a major catalyst for alchemic progress yes
>>737948635A reasonable assumption, considering you are the one assuming that undead and space monsters are unbeatable and untameable (they are not).
>>737948449Godwyn had nothing to do with it. Marika had a moment of self-realization and accepted that Radagon wasn't working for her anymore. Couple in the info here about the nature of the beast >>737948582 and you can see why Marika broke the ring given her sermons on the mount leading up to the revelation via Melina. >>737948635Her story is about returning the land to the glory her father turned it into. She only works to return something to the way it was before, not make it new and better.
>>737948613Radhan is golden order politically. He agrees with it. Because he is smart. Not a dumb foid throwing a tantrum.
>>737948582>There might not be, There are. You can just do the goldmask ending and it's objectively better. Siding with Miquella would have also been better, which the game didn't let us do because the tarnished is canonically a selfish asshole, which is why he probably canonically chooses the Ranni ending.>the current alien manifested as a concept of absolute order, it isn't going to give up its control like we see in the past. The Greater Will created life on this world. Every previous order that has ruled in the world has understood and derived its authority from possession of the elden ring. The blue space fucks are evil aggressors, not some inevitable or rightful rulers. Marika herself and later especially Radagon did try to freeze evolution and erase all aspects of the world they didn't personally like, but this was AGAINST the natural order of Gold, not BECAUSE of it.
>>737947212>blaming Radagon for being called back by his otherselfMarika needed a Lord who better to call back then the dude immersed in Sun and Moon. Who would investigate the Golden Order and learn the laws of causality and regression. Foundational in the universe created by the Greater Will. Poor Renalla got mindbroken by NTR but at least she got an egg of infinite babies. Marika crashed out after losing one BTW this is a reason why Miquella left Trina behind, no conflicts of interests or chaos because god is fighting themselvesIt's interesting that God Miquella's eyes look like a moon. The Sun and Moon united again in His and Radahn's "marriage" or maybe it's cause Miquella mastered Golden Order Fundamentalism. Then there's Ymir who abandons following his Moon for the Greater WillWill Tranni in her journey across the stars ultimately submit to the Greater Will like Ymir and her father?
>>737948616People that hate the ranni is good narrative have to imply the moons are secretly evil and playing to win in a sigma manner instead of them simply being passive manifestations of memory itself.
>>737944808Chuuni.
>>737948616Ranni's "dark moon" is a sinister and sentient alien force which her own mentor warned her to stay away from. In the past it led the Nox to their own destruction and its kin are universally hostile to terrestrial life.
>>737948730>A reasonable assumption, considering you are the one assuming that undead and space monsters are unbeatable and untameable (they are not).With mods or cheat engine please try beating 4 fallingstar beasts and 2 starborns Astels at the same time, thats how the lands between would look like in 50 years thanks to Ranni The Tranny.
>>737948856Ranni's dark moon is overtly evil, not secretly evil.>instead of them simply being passive manifestations of memory itself.They aren't. The game makes very clear that even clearly perceiving these entities is extremely dangerous to your body and mind.
>>737948831>You can just do the goldmask ending and it's objectively better. Siding with Miquella would have also been better, which the game didn't let us do because the tarnished is canonically a selfish asshole,>The Greater Will created life on this world
>>737944958No, they absolutely not. They'll use it to vote green.>t. German
>>737948831Goldmask ending isn't tenable if you actually care about the people of the planet or the grander cycle playing out. >>737948908No, its just dark memories that'll make you act on something others might be too afraid to act on. Rennala communed with the normal moon, so it didn't tell her the dark secrets of the past like Ranni's dark moon did for her. The only reason the snow crone warned against action given by the dark moon is because she was afraid to face those memories. >>737948970They are just embodiments of memory itself. There's nothing evil to them.
>>737944808Don't care I become the poopooman every run.
>>737948936There is no reason to believe that Fallingstar Beasts fall by the dozen and mature in short times, or that they roam seeking death and destruction. In fact, you always find them sitting in their impact craters, except for Naturalborn of the Void.
>>737948856No. Ranni is simply evil because she doesnt give a fuck about the lands between thats why she wants to leave while she triggered a bunch of literally mass genocide across them without a single moment of remorse or guilt. She is evil as fuck, even psychopathic. Undoubtedly.
>>737949021>>The Greater Will created life on this worldHe is literally right about this
>>737949030Goldmask ending is interesting because it's basically retreating to the comfort of the familiar while simultaneously scrubbing out any ability to enact change, the thematic intention is Goldmask chasing a platonic ideal and immutable truth of the Golden Order but on a personal level it comes across as the guy being completely non-functional without a church to couch-surf in, and more specifically a church that won't chase him out for sympathizing with TWLID who we didn't even really learn were sentient until Nightreign
>>737948737>Marika had a moment of self-realization and accepted that Radagon wasn't working for her anymore. Radagon's growing recalcitrance and dominance over their body certainly played a role in her growing despair and hopelessness, but that doesn't change that it was the night of the black knives that tipped her over the edge. Also the beast is just a defense mechanism for the elden ring. It punished her because she tried to destroy it. It has very little sapient will or intention beyond the biological imperative to exist. You are right in that Marika came to understand that her sealing of death was a mistake and sent Melina out to find someone to fix it. Although I would have liked it better if Melina turned out to be some shed off aspect of her own personality (akin to Millicent), but the DLC confirmed that Melina is her actual daughter, which is a bit lamer cause it's like she handed off the responsibility of her own character growth to someone else, and doomed her daughter to burning herself in a a cauldron at the end of the world.
>>737949180Ancestral Followers and dragons disagree, both of whom predate the Fingers and the Greater Will's appearance in the world
>>737948936Without the ring people can't alter the cycle to upset the GW to have things sent to fuck with people. >>737949190The Ben Franklin quote about people who want security over liberty deserve neither applies heavily. >>737949217The beast isn't the ring anon. It has control over it loosely by proxy by being the patron to the one housing the ring thats it.
>>737948850I can't blame Radagon for being a sigma int/faith divine philosopher, but I can blame him for neglecting his own demigod children (including 3 fucking empyrean) and not even considering the consequences of that neglect. >or maybe it's cause Miquella mastered Golden Order Fundamentalism. Most likely. His order does seem extremely aligned with the ideals of goldmask and miriel and he turned himself into a sort of entity that seems to match what Goldmask would expect a proper god to be like.
>>737949245they dont disagree, they just dont know shit
>>737949380I don't think Radagon had a choice in the matter, he's been Marika's puppet since the war against the giants
>>737949021>>737949245Wrong. The ancient dragons literally had the elden ring at one point and their unnamed dragon goddess filled the role of Marika. The erdtree is relatively recent, from a cosmological timescale, but the elden ring is the beginning of life. That's why if you destroy it, you destroy everything.
>>737944808one of many woman moments throughout time
>>737949291>A bear passes by your house>You go greet it>It mauls youThey're just wild animals, there's enough strong people to deal with them even without a god puppeteering your every move.
>>737948850>BTW this is a reason why Miquella left Trina behind, no conflicts of interests or chaos because god is fighting themselvestrue, it's notable he abandons his doubts before his love in that sequence of events.>It's interesting that God Miquella's eyes look like a moon. The Sun and Moon united again in His and Radahn's "marriage" or maybe it's cause Miquella mastered Golden Order Fundamentalism.that's not something we're presented and we only know it from datamining. miquella abandoned his flesh then both of his eyes as a spirit symbolic for abandoning his sight. for all intents and purposes he seems to be blind when we meet him.
>>737949481>their unnamed dragon goddess filled the role of MarikaPlacidusax, who has both male and female heads reflecting other Empyreans and their male/female selves
>>737949305>The beast isn't the ring anon.It basically fucking is. Or at least part of it, like Norton antivirus. And apparently, equally as effective
>>737949501ok so lets fill an otherwise peaceful land with more dangerous animals>rapefugees welcome! you fucking moron, you absolute retard...
>>737948936wher didnu get this picture of me fren??
>>737949217>Although I would have liked it better if Melina turned out to be some shed off aspect of her own personalityShe could be but you'd have to swallow the rebis pill. Under that theory all of Marika's children are remnants of herself she expelled toward realizing Radagon. It would also neatly tie in with Marika's already established aims of cheating the rules to consolidate her control.
>>737949030>Rennala communed with the normal moon,She WAS the "normal moon", which reflects sunlight. The full moon is her submission to "god", the dark moon is the rejection of god's light. >The only reason the snow crone warned against action given by the dark moon is because she was afraid to face those memories. Or maybe she was afraid of the evil aliens that we can already see invading earth, which previously led the Nox to their own ruin.
>>737949539And who is allowing the rapefugees to come in? The president, or the people?
>>737949551But most of her children were born after Radagon already existed. Maybe even all of them
>>737949426He was her puppet at that time, but gradually gained autonomy and eventual dominance over their shared body. This is why Miquella got rid of Trina, btw.
>>737949527>It basically fucking is.It isn't though. The beast is just the patron god of the one that holds the ring. Now, Marika did do some peak shenanigans so she could be her own champion consort and that consort is being used by the elden beast to enact its will directly while having the ring, but killing the beast solves all that. The ring exists prior to the beast laying claim to it and after it has been killed, it quantifiably is not the elden ring. The beast had the most direct control over the ring but that loops back to it being a manifestation of order and using that to construct a system that allowed it to be that controlling, ergo why killing it is so important. Killing it still solves all the problems in the end.
>>737949519Placidusax had 5 heads and lost 3 in a battle. The game specifically said that he's waiting for his god to return, which wouldn't make sense if she was sitting on his own shoulders. He's an old elden lord, not a god.
>>737949718Miquella got rid of Trina because she represents doubts that he should even be doing that, and she was getting in the way of his "psychotic obsession with his Haligtree order and riding Radahn's schmeat" deal
>>737944808literally two fingers
>>737949627In the case of Elden Ring, the lack of Order.
>>737949730The beast was with the ring from the beginning. It was the elden star that carried the ring down to the barren world down a billion years ago. Do you think it's a coincidence that its arena alludes to the existence of alien worlds also populated by the elden ring? Or that it's design is clearly both an amoeba and and the Laniakea super cluster? All beating the beast does is allow you to edit the ring (in our case, to put the rune of death back, or destroy it entirely in the frenzied flame ending).
>>737949612In folkore generally, and in ER directly, the moons are memory. They have been hanging over TLB watching everything since the dawn of time (or they showed up). The normal moon that Rennala communed with was normalized memory, the dark moon Ranni communed with was the dark memories you don't want to face (how Marika fucked with the world to get us to the present), the black moon that is broken are memories now lost. The moons are as much a manifestation as all the other big aliens that are actually rocks, but if you look at the nature of those big rock aliens everyone wants to crash down on the planet and meddle directly with the lesser life forms, the moons simply want to watch the lesser life forms. They only thing they ever did directly was tell one of the lesser lifeforms enough of the past to get her to make actions of her own to restore order to the way it was before the ring game broke reality.
>>737949761>because she represents doubts that he should even be doing that,No, she doesn't. She never once expresses doubt about the intention or results of Miquella's actions. She opposed his path because she opposed him sacrificing himself for the world. She has like 4 sentences of dialog, read them.
>>737949907Thats GO propaganda to legitimize itself as a faith structure. The elden beast was a giant meteor that crashed down on the planet and a tree grew from it that someone with the elden ring formed a faith around. The dragons which predate Marika's empires had the elden ring and you the player dictate what happens to the ring after you kill the elden beast.
>>737949934>In folkore generally, and in ER directly, the moons are memory. Neither one of these is true. Especially the folklore bit, what the fuck are you even talking about. >the dark moon Ranni communed with was the dark memories you don't want to face (how Marika fucked with the world to get us to the present)Marika fucked up the world (removing the rune of death) specifically because she was attempting to prevent what happened to her old family and tribe from ever happening again. She flipped out when it didn't work. >the moons simply want to watch the lesser life forms.Lol. They led the Nox to try to usurp creation itself through alchemical development of entirely artificial life, which led to the extermination of their own civilization and yet another existential threat to the land's between.
>>737950061the Erd Tree created ALL life in that planet. As it was growing up.The planet was a mismatch of magma and a bunch of shit before the tree planted itself there.
>>737949965He abandons his "doubt and vacillation" at the Cerulean Coast pretty close to where he dumps off Trina, he is making up his mind to get rid of a naysay in his head there. By your own argument that she only has four lines of dialogue, there really shouldn't be any ambiguity here that Trina as his Empyrean opposite gender and somebody he would be forced to share power with as an intrinsic part of himself was also a naysayer against his whole journey. If she was solely against sacrificing himself or was just a nag and nothing more, I highly doubt Miquella would have gotten rid of her.
>>737949965She recognizes that caging a god is worse than death, which would be something from Miquella. He sheds himself of her because he has to loose the idea she and he know. He knows doing what he's doing is bad but he really wants that power. >>737950095The talisman named after the moons expands your memory my man. Ancestral worshippers worship the moon lol. Its intrinsically tied with memories and the past.
>>737949245ancestral followers and ancient dragons both drop runes.
>>737950061>The dragons which predate Marika's empires had the elden ring and you the player dictate what happens to the ring after you kill the elden beast.This doesn't at all contradict me. Yes the dragons had the ring at one point, which served as the central artificial of their own religion. They probably were not even the first. After it was lost, presumably in the destruction of Farum Azula, Marika eventually took possession of it, probably after it had gone through several other hands. And within or a part of it the whole time was the Beast, which finally emerged when Marika tried to destroy the elden ring. Was it the first time? Possibly, we don't know. You can hear the elden beast roar when Marika claims the elden ring in the SOTE trailer. It was always there.
>>737949519No, Placy was the husband, the Lord, of the goddess before Marika, the one who had the three wolves and has a statue in Maliketh arena
>>737950164Don't reply for me and say something stupid. The Erdtree is just a tree, and it's relatively recent. It's a tool to serve as a replacement for death after Marika got rid of death. The elden ring DID crash down on a barren planet and give rise to life though
>>737950234Marika and her grace are pretty omnipresent after her rule went up
>>737950287why the male/female dichotomy in his heads if he was just the lord?
>>737950184>If she was solely against sacrificing himself or was just a nag and nothing more, I highly doubt Miquella would have gotten rid of her.She fundamentally represented his desire to save himself. He literally could not achieve spiritual perfection while she remained a part of him, because he needed total lack of self interest.>>737950230>He knows doing what he's doing is bad but he really wants that power. He knows what he's doing is bad FOR HIM but chooses to sacrifice himself for the world regardless.
>>737950260In every single ending you have to walk up to the elden ring and interact with it to get your ending cinematic. That happens AFTER you kill the elden beast. The ring and the beast aren't the same. The tree and the beast are. Think of the elden star meteor as a seed and the tree is a sprout coming out of the seed. The ring exists separate of the beast and the tree. Where you are getting mixed up is you are thinking the tree is responsible for all crucibles where its actually the tree grew out of a singular crucible and there are many and each culture has their own. But crucibles aren't trees either, or the ring. You don't get the grander cosmology at all.
>>737950387There is no dichotomy. He just has 2 slightly different looking heads. He used to have FIVE heads.
>>737950332runes are intrinsic to all life. marika mastered the manipulation of them nothing more. runes are fragments of the one great that seeded life and are influenced by the experiences, ideals, beliefs and observations of the individual. souls to put it another way.
>>737950387I never heard of this thing about placidusax
>>737950465yeah man he used to have two gendered types of heads for no reason whatsoever, a feature unique to placidusax among all ancient dragons
>>737950506placidusax has two head shapes among his remaining ones, common theory is they're male and female heads marking him out as marika's equivalent
>>737950417>He knows what he's doing is bad FOR HIM but chooses to sacrifice himself for the world regardless.Thats what makes him tragic. The game gives you ample evidence that he thinks he's doing the most noble and selfless of things to save the world.>>737950513There's probably something going on there but an uneven amount of heads means 1 gender has to be dominant and placi only had the ring when he had all 5 heads skewing 1 gender dominantly and didn't have the ring when he lost 3 heads and the genders were balanced.
>>737950442The erdtree was grown by Marika, not by a meteor. The elden ring arrived on a meteor on a barren world giving rise to life, marrying the ideas of divine creation (via the greater will) with both evolution and the panspermia theory of the origin of life. Obviously there's more to the ring than JUST the beast, or killing it would destroy the ring, which did not happen. But the beast is a part of the ring. Perhaps it could reform some day, or we may have merely tamed it rather than destroying it outright. The erdtree is derived from the ring, but not the other way around. It's just a tree. It's relatively new, unlike the elden ring. It is not the only or first great tree. The crucible also was probably not the first great tree. >But crucibles aren't trees eitherThere is one and it was a tree and now it's gone.
Ranni was objectively correct. Her methods are extreme but the world demanded them. The fact that you get a cute wife is just a nice bonus.Her ending is also soft confirmed to be the canon one due to Nightreign existing.
>>737950417What he's doing is bad for everyone, his power is mind control even without his great rune which interestingly resists his own power. That's part of Miquella's tragedy is he's objectively wrong and chasing godhood is going to end in nothing but trouble, he loses the plot the instant he abandons his love and his ability to actually think about what he's doing is replaced with singleminded obsession.
>>737946409>>737946505Why are you removing agency from literally everyone else else involved in the situation? Her involvement ends after killing him. The decision to shove Godwyn's corpse into the roots of the Erdtree was done without her knowledge or input.
>>737950513>yeah man he used to have two gendered types of heads for no reason whatsoever,He doesn't. He had 5 heads and lost three in battle. We even know specifically which battle and at least one of the heads is now fused to Bayle's body. There's no evidence that his two remaining heads are male and female.
>Age of Stars is the most popular ending>but From always used the standard ending as canonWill they have the balls to listen to fans and using Age of Stars as connection to Elden Ring 2?
>>737944808she won, that's her problem
>>737950587>The game gives you ample evidence that he thinks he's doing the most noble and selfless of things to save the world.And zero evidence that he's incorrect. The game tells us why we oppose him, because his solution precludes us as elden lord, not that there's some objective reason that he's wrong.
>>737950708All the standard endings are really boring and either fix everything in an extremely specific way that has downsides for the world (even compared to nobody being in charge) or makes everything objectively worse, I actually can't see Elden Ring going for one of the "takes the throne" endings, especially with the Alva & Zullie ending that is Ranni's story path being the most popular and arguably being the most linear approach to an ending possible
>>737950661Ranni's ending accomplishes nothing even over the standard ending. Also nightreign takes place in a time bubble before the shattering. Also also nightreign shows why Ranni winning would be bad.
>>737950661>Her ending is also soft confirmed to be the canon one due to Nightreign existing.How? I didnt play Fortnite Souls
WOOP WOOP WOOP MIQUELLA APOLOGISTANON BELIEVES THE POWER OF BUSSY MAKES MIQUELLA OBJECTIVELY CORRECT
>>737950661Retarded simpSometimes ends do justify the means but this bitch is completely off her rocker.
>>737950691He's objectively right. Compelling people not to murder each other is a good thing, and the only person who actually voices opposition to Miquella's goals in the entire game is an insane serial killer who worships the god of pain. You are spouting retarded atheist redditor headcanon.
>>737950513nightreign has the most blatant lore drop on this. when the crucible knight kills himself finding the painter woman dead, their runes are released while bathing in the light of the erdtree and by a miracle of the crucible both of them meld into one being becoming the executor. just like placi, just like jars, just like the hornsent ritual to create a god.
>>737950732Real girls don’t even have personalities. Men have to write their stories for the games to make them more interesting. They’re like barely even real and I swear there’s lowkey a brainwashing attempt at proving us otherwise. They can definitely do a job, so that’s like what we see on tv is women who are trained like dogs to read from a script.
>>737950651The erdtree came out of a meteor that the beast was housed in. It crashed down and a tree grew out of it because marika formed a pact with it thru the divine gate and had a religion around tree worship. The religion changes at a point into an organized Golden Order and its religious norms alter to fast track bodies and runes to the tree to feed it. That Golden Order middle era is when the beast is in its dormant pupal stage, it isn't an entity prior to that. Once it matures in the tree cocoon the Golden Order Fundamentalist era starts and the beast starts using the Radagon persona as its direct proxy in the world. You can track the manifestation of the beast by looking at the nature of Marika's religions and how they change and the appearance of Radagon. The game establishes multiple empires and ages prior to that. The GO uses a lot of propaganda to legitimize itself that the player is supposed to read past and find the truth about, its literally one of Marika's sermons.
>>737950858Your picture is the average free will absolutist. "Just let people enjoy things", including murder, suicide, and mental illness.
>>737950417>>737950901>>737950972This is Griffith apologism in Berserk threads with the homework changed a little bit.
>>737944910>She saw that her parents were sinnersIsn't more of the other way around? She saw her dad was an asshole zealot and decided to rebel
>>737950972as opposed to genocide due to an undead outbreak, space metiorite aliens invading your planet just so some blue bitch can go talk to the moonyeah i rather have softer crimes only like a little bit of political corrupt bureaucrats here and there
>>737950960>The erdtree came out of a meteor that the beast was housed in. It crashed down and a tree grew out of it because marika formed a pact with it thru the divine gate and had a religion around tree worship. Objectively wrong. Not only is there nothing in the game that supports this, Marika's village shows that Marika came up with the idea of the erdtree long before becoming a god and likely before she even knew how to become a god. >The religion changes at a point into an organized Golden Order and its religious norms alter to fast track bodies and runes to the tree The tree is a tool to let people be reborn, which Marika established as an alternative to the natural cycle of life and death. It doesn't eat people, it actually rejuvenates them. Or it did until Marika broke the elden ring, the source of her (and thus, the tree's) power. The religious orders that preceded Marika also had the elden ring and also would have been subject to the wrath of the beast if they flipped out as hard as she did. For all we know this might have been the cause of the destruction of Farum Azula, although it seems more likely that was due to space aliens.
>>737950761All the character motivations are 'correct' when looked at from a specific worldview, but the game is urging you to build a larger unified worldview that would make the insular narrow view of the character look petty by comparison. Its pretty easy to do with someone like Dung Eater and his everyone is shit ending, but the age of compassion could be okay. If you look at all the potential endings assuming big mike's is real then you have something similar to goldmask where everyone is being used by god, but now you have a god that doesn't just focus on heroes and grand empires but he also has an intense interest in the little guy, the downtrodden and the everyman. In goldmask's ending you can at least hope to be so unassuming that the GW doesn't fuck with you but in mike's ending everyone becomes his barbie and ken.
I'm more Marikachad. Her supreme fertile body attracts tarnished men like honey beez. Just be yourself, and marry mommy marika
>>737950942they have significantly more IQ and personality than a nigger i tell you that.
>>737951040Yeah man, using divine power to make murder illegal is absolutely the same as filling the whole world with man eating demons so that humanity has to crowd into your city to rule over like an asshole.
Don't care, I saw doll pussy and I married her immediately
>>737951146Bro you gotta stop being retarded. >Not only is there nothing in the game that supports thisThe topography of the map is riddled with meteor impacts where gods reside in the meteor impact. The game establishes that all these big meteors are made of a magical rock called glintstone/amberstone that fuels the magic and faith in this game. The radioactive rocks make the things the people believe real, literally. The biggest rocks become gods that represent universal constants. Stop viewing the game like a GO biblethumper and see it with the 21st century lens you the player have. Half of this game is based on gothic literature by Lovecraft and Chambers you dummy.
>>737951157>but in mike's ending everyone becomes his barbie and ken.Given that we've seen what his charm does to people, we know that it's not nearly that hard of control. In fact it seems to do the absolute minimum possible to keep someone from flipping out or doing bad shit. It's almost comically perfect, and if anything I wish it had been presented in a bit more sinister light just to justify opposing Miquella by SOME kind of objective standard. But that's not the story we got, probably because Miazaki finds it funny to make the player be an amoral shithead.
Reminder none of Miquella's plans/inventions ever worked properly.>can't fix his flat sister's space aids>can't fix his ded brother's ded aids>can't fix his horny brother's incest (and blood aids)>can't even get pregnantMaybe if he spent his life creating a dragon-infused repeater crossbow for his magic needles instead of those useless bows with goofy names he wouldn't need to brainwash people to stop them from trying to interrupt his marriage with his brain-dead cannibal brother.
All I know is Ranni, the Nox, and that tribe of witches deserve the worst. Fromsoft are a bunch of cowards for not allowing me to give her the judgement she deserves.
>>737951334The big take away is his interest in the lower rungs of society where the other similar endings would ignore them or elevate them in some way. Mike's interest alone would mean he would 'play' with his toys more. It might be tea time by the river, it might be mock battles for the little godling that aren't so mock.
Ah, may chaos take the worldMAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
>>737944808>did all the requirements for her ending>beat final boss>excited to fuck off into space with doll wife>forget to summon her and sit on the throne>get normal endingthanks for reading my blog
>>737951334when he becomes a god he uses that charm to make your tarnished a slave only avoiding it by what I can only assume is marika's grace yanking you out of there. it's clearly different than the influence on ansbach or leda.
>>737951415>He is a homosexual femboy faggotI never trusted him from the get go
If you played through this spiritually incestuous and royally decadent game paying full attention to it's story and you didn't go with the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending, you didn't get it.
>>737951315The game establishes that the elden star was the first of all these meteors. The elden ring is established to have been held by the the most ancient of cultures in the world. Your contention that the elden beast doesn't have anything to do with the elden star is utter nonsense. Not only does its design and arena all but scream at you its BLATANT references to panspermia, it literally uses the elden star incantation, and its crucifixion, which it also used on Marika, pins you to an arc of the elden ring! >Stop viewing the game like a GO biblethumper Stop viewing the game like an atheist retard. The reason that people turn into rocks from looking at aliens is because the rocks are evil psychic aliens, which you can meet and kill yourself, not because of a reflection of the depths of your own mind or whatever the fuck. The theme of the game is "what if ancient religious, mystic, and proto-scientific beliefs were literally real", not "what if people believing these things made them real"
>>737951334>Given that we've seen what his charm does to people, we know that it's not nearly that hard of control.His control gets harder the less suggestible you are, it couldn't keep Ansbach from being incredibly suspicious of him and trying to figure out his motives for example. The absolute minimum can still be a pretty enormous amount of mind control, especially in the case of your Tarnished where being mind controlled requires a total loss of your will equivalent to death.
here's one thing i never understood. the interpreter bitch near the 2 fingers said it takes upwards of 10,000 years to see what they say. how is this possible/how does this work?
>>737951550Since I couldn’t kill the bitch I did the next best thing. Fulfill her requirements then immediately betray her by choosing Goldmask. Enjoy being bound by that which you hate bitch!
>>737951550you dont go to space with her, she leaves you lol, she uses you to get what she wants and you die a virgin
>>737951562If the charm requires the minimum amount of change to prevent the target from murdering people, maybe you, the tarnished lord, who has killed half the country in pursuit of the throne, simply requires a heavier hand.
>>737951705The Two Fingers are lying about holding divine authority and they're never going to get an answer, they only try consulting the Greater Will when they're completely out of options. They weren't expecting Marika/Radagon/the Elden Beast to have thrown up that impenetrable barrier of thorns.
>>737951705she made it the fuck up, maybe it was saying >kill me kill me im literally an abominationbut she told you whatever the fuck she wanted
>>737944808She wanted free will to exist in the world. More specifically, hers. She was an heir to Marika in that sense, chafing under the supervision of the Greater Will, but she did everything she did purely for her own benefit, and the shattering of the Elden Ring allowing freedom for anyone else is sort of a byproduct. She wanted to get out, and she achieved it thanks to Blaidd, Iji and the Tarnished simping for her, and all the people who died as a direct result of her actions are just collateral damage that she doesn't particularly mind. Now she gets to fly through space as a moon princess or whatever, and the greatest gift she left to the Lands Between is her absence
>>737951705The greater will actually has never talked to the planet even once. It left Metyr to serve as his herald at the beginning of time, but she was injured upon landing and couldn't hear the greater will. So she just uses her own judgement and communicates to the fingers, who may or may not know that Metyr doesn't actually have contact with the greater will. Metyr herself can apparently take a long time to talk to, presumably because she's a billions of years old alien with a suitably alien perception of time.
>>737951705The point is, Fingers are just a fraud, GW fucked off eons ago, Metyr is still waiting a contact since she landed on Lands Between. They can wait even more than 10k years, they'll receive nothing anyway
>>737951876The two fingers might not actually know that Metyr can't hear the greater will anymore, it's ambiguous.
>>737951635A bunch of meteors came down anon. Metyr was the first to manifest as a thing, before manifesting they are all just magical rocks laying in a crater or underground. If the elden stars created all life then it would have formed all life in a manner that wouldn't resist its aims, but that didn't happen. There was an entire era where the dragons had the ring and they ordered life along the lines of dominant crucible traits for predation. You see how the prior prehistoric era mirrors how we catalog the past? Notice how the crucible knight names follow the naming conventions of prior ages? The game is showing you how the cultures that formed in a timeline also follow the psychological timeline of world understanding and then theology form. The beast and the stars are a LATTER conceptual understanding, built on top of other prior conceptual understandings being integrated. Life existed long before the elden star. The tree could only form because people that already existed formed a faith structure around it to funnel runes to it.
>>737944808The world was shit, she didn't want to be a puppet.
>>737951846>The blue bitch psychopath wants to go to space and for that millions must die>Simps: This is the good ending though
>>737947040>leftists out of no whereseek help
>>737952001It is doever
>>737951635Lol pan spermia
Maybe the most unsatisfying question in ER's lore is why Godwyn had to be the one to dieBy all accounts he was the best the Golden Order had to offer, and look who else was on the chopping block:>Malenia, battle-crazy walking nuke full of rot AIDS who simps for her twink brother>Radahn, the guy who directly opposes her by keeping the stars fixed in the sky>Rykard, an insane retard who let himself get eaten by a snake Why didn't she sacrifice any of them for her plan? Did she hate Godwyn in particular, or was he an easy target? Did it matter that he was Marika's favorite?
>>737952001meanwhile one guy in this thread runs apologism for miquella wanting the entire world under mind control
>>737952001>millions must dieNo, millions must decide by themselves. If then millions will die, it was their choice
>>737952127I don't think Ranni really cared which of the Golden Order died so long as it was a demigod to complete the ritual. It wasn't her actually holding the knives, Godwyn was the Black Knives' target.
>>737952198Godwyn didnt deserve this Ranni The Tranny did this. He got framed and shanked just for being a good looking Aryan Chad.
>>737951942>A bunch of meteors came down anon.Yes, but the elden ring was the first, where life began. >If the elden stars created all life then it would have formed all life in a manner that wouldn't resist its aims, It did. If you fuck with the ring you immediately affect all life. The only way Ranni could disconnect herself from the elden ring was to LITERALLY KILL HERSELF. >There was an entire era where the dragons had the ring and they ordered life along the lines of dominant crucible traits for predation. You see how the prior prehistoric era mirrors how we catalog the past? Notice how the crucible knight names follow the naming conventions of prior ages? None of this is incompatible with the goals of the elden beast, which are very basic. "don't try to destroy creation". The specifics of how life should exist don't really matter (to it). I think the issue is that you're falsely assuming that Radagon was opposing Marika on behalf of the beast. He wasn't. He was opposing her growing animosity towards her own order, and more broadly, life and existence itself. >The tree could only form because people that already existed formed a faith structure around it to funnel runes to it.The tree is not the elden ring. It's just a big tree. Not the first, not the last.
>>737952106It is a funny name but yes that is the literal etymology
>>737952278muh racial identity for a guy with hair of literal gold
>>737952127Godwyn was a dragon cult simp. Gurranq was the one hiding the rune of death and he was hiding it where the dragons ruled from and the dragons have tried to take the ring before. If questioning got past the black knives being arrested it would look like the dragons ordered the hit.
Elden Ring: Women are the problem.TRVTH NVKE
>>737952127She chose Godwyn specifically because he was the perfect golden boy. Her rebellion was as much about hurting Marika as it was about gaining her own freedom. She wanted to maximize damage to the golden order and cause Marika as much trauma as possible. As far as the other options:-Malenia: too powerful to oppose-Radahn: Ranni's brother, also she didn't know that his actions had blocked her path and he probably didn't know either-Rykard: Ranni's other brother and a conspirator in the plot itself-Miquella: Golden order apostate and thus of kindred spirit-Morgott: unknown, likely still in the sewers-Mogh: Extra unknown-Messmer: probably unknown, sealed beyond her ability to reach-Melina: currently dead
>>737952547Ranni didn't pick Godwyn, the Black Knives did.
>>737952413The rune of death was with Ranni retard did you even play the game
>>737950873>bitch is completely off her rockerShe killed one person to achieve her goal.
>>737952565She hired them for the job, having literally created the black knives. I'm pretty sure she had some say over who to go after. We know he had to have been monitoring their progress closely, as she had to kill herself at the exact point of Godwyn's death.
>>737952565Proof or else it's your headcanonNote that proof is in game text not more of your headcanon
>>737952127It’s because he was the the best. When you understand Ranni’s line of thinking literally is “I can’t wait for society to collapse, so my ideology will rise triumphantly from the ashes”, you’ll know why Godfrey had to go.
>>737952664She chips a portion of it off, she never took the whole rune, thats why Gurranq still has it when you fight him.
>>737952709assuming automatically that ranni did choose the target is also headcanon btw
>>737952709>"I did it all" That means someone else is responsible.
>>737952686The knight of the black knives killed off not just Godwyn but his nearly entire lineage of golden demigod descendants. She also has a whole army of puppet soldiers guarding her house. She also expresses no remorse over this action despite it leading to the rise of Those Who Live In Death, an existential threat to the world.
Choose the setting for Elden Ring 2>Land of Reeds>Badlands>Land of Numens>Helphen>a new map>Lands Between again but altered
>>737951623>t. ranni
>>737952787Girl has literally zero control over the Golden Order's adherents interring Godwyn's corpse into the Erdtree's roots and creating super-cancer by accident, there's lots to actually blame Ranni for but Godwyn's interment and the resultant scourge of TWLID is not one of them
>>737944808Nothing wrong with my wife.
>>737952727Gurranq has it because you gathered it back up after it was scattered during Godwyn's assassination. If you fight him without doing that, he has gathered it up himself in between the main events of the game and the battle in Farum Azula (Farum Azula is in the future)
>>737952806Land of Numens obviously. That will answer the most.
>>737944808She was the worst female in the entire game. And somehow the only one you can marry? Subversive shit.It was subtle and veiled but the relationship between the player and Melina was in fact the most deep and loving. Moreover, you had simple but cute & endearing characters like Nephelli, Roderika, and Rya. All better than R*nni.
>>737952746I'm not that anon now show me proof of your retard claim
>>737952884shut up dumbass.
>>737952843The erdtree's roots go all over the lands between. It would have found him. I suppose maybe they could have burned him? But they didn't know to do that.
Imagine simping for a fucking puppetAre you lot so desperate that a cold porcelain handjob is worth killing millions for?
>>737952931Lorelet
>>737952941Imagine simping for a guy whose platonic ideal of the Golden Order has literally no relation whatsoever to the Golden Order as an institution, religion and actual concept
>>737952986You'll get what anons are talking about after you play the game.
I'm seeing people call Ranni heartless or not caring about "the greater good" or that she endangers everyone as if the game doesn't open with the war to end all wars after the lords of the land got a single whiff of power. GRRM helped write this setting everyone's a power hungry cunt.
>>737953021Not really, it's very easy to go through elden ring and learn nothing
>>737953084My bad.
>>737953010Martin Luther was right actually, you faggot c*tholic
>>737953069Closest the settings have to an objectively good guy are Radahn and Godwyn which is probably why he was chosen to get rot-fucked and chosen to get death-assassinated and the source of a mindless ("mindless") zombie plague respectively>>737953132Goldmask is Plato not Martin Luther
>>737953132Actually god doesnt exist so theyre all wrong
>>737952941Bro is desperate to retain his semen.
>>737953167Miquella did nothing wrong (either)
>>737953196Didn't you hear from the Chinese that if you retain I mean cultivate semen then you gain superpowers?
>>737953212He did some things wrong, like casting off St Trina
>>737953240I'm more a make love to a hillock kind of guy.
>>737953212Miquella did everything wrongAs a character he only exists in basegame through three things>Bewitching Branch description that states he "compels affection" (mind control, item is used to mind control enemies also)>Malenia's gold needle that you give to Millicent which is a pretty wondrous item but states it's "unalloyed gold," Miquella considers himself and his aligned or representative metal to be pure gold>the Haligtree, a failed paradise and a bent and twisted copy of the ErdtreeThen you hit DLC and he's been actively chopping himself apart to turn himself into a god-golem because it's a really really really really really fucking bad idea to chase godhood and everybody in the setting knows it because they've been looking at Marika drowning in misery for their entire lives
>>737953283Nah he was entirely right to do that. Dumb harpy wanted to care more about him than the world.
>>737953212According to dlc (that is fucking shit Miquella lore-wise and an obvious retcon from base game) he sent his sis to kill Radhan and didn't tell her to not use the aids nuke
>>737952787>The knight of the black knives killed off not just Godwyn but his nearly entire lineage of golden demigod descendantsA fair thing to do. Chopping off likely successors is smart when your aiming to end the Golden Order.>She also expresses no remorse over this action despite it leading to the rise of Those Who Live In Death, an existential threat to the worldWhy would she? She had no hand in how Godwyn's corpse was handled and didn't know such a thing could happen.>>737953240But you also get powers from heterosexual sex in Xianxia.
>>737953345>he's been actively chopping himself apartGamers when they take allegory literally
>Ranni did nothing wr-
>>737953345Unalloyed means pure you ESL retard. >because it's a really really really really really fucking bad idea to chase godhood and everybody in the setting knows it because they've been looking at Marika drowning in misery for their entire livesMarika fucked up specifically because she DIDN'T cut anything off and went into godhood still carrying all of her retarded foid grudges and fears and biases.
>>737953413Flowers sprouted from Miquella's blood at every crucifix site means nothing to you apparently>>737953431>Unalloyed means pure you ESL retardYeah I know because I said that, "retarded foid grudges" anon-doko who didn't read the post before getting pissed and typing a reply
>>737952901The reason there is no Melina ending is because Ranni was the dev favorite and they knew a Melina ending would be the hardest and objectively most rewarding ending to get.>Has a cut off time>You have do to the Shunning Grounds>Requires the Haligtree quest line >Have to go through the game’s hardest dungeon and beat the game’s super boss>Have to know about the Placiedusax arena.
>>737953381>and didn't tell her to not use the aids nukeHe specifically gave her the needle to not use the aids nuke. Malenia knew this was wrong and did it anyway, an act which was so shameful to her that she had to literally separate her own sense of moral honor as a separate person in order to be able to go through with it.
>come into thread expecting off-model posting>instead its a bunch of literal faggots discussing the "lore" of a video gameZoo make ze zickFrom will go on to make another, unrelated game using the exact same gameplay mechanics and you retards will eat it up
>>737953345He works because he did everything wrong for good reasons. All his failures do a good job setting up someone getting more desperate for a win at any cost. It makes him tipping over into obviously retarded evil make sense even if you can see how evil it is. Mikefags deserved a real ending.
>>737953472Then your post is meaningless. He calls it pure gold because it is.
>>737953513>>>/trash/
>>737953559With Elden Ring as an alchemy metaphor it's not possible for Miquella to produce "pure" gold in any way, gold is a function of godhood and the joining of albedo and rubedo. He is a vain cunt and you took narcissism at face value, the bussy fumes have clouded your reason
>>737953472>Flowers sprouted from Miquella's blood at every crucifix site means nothing to you apparentlyWhen a gamer unknowingly uses another example of allegory thinking it proves that there is no allegory
>>737953554>It makes him tipping over into obviously retarded evilWhat evil, dumbass?
>>737953643It's both allegorical and literal you goddamned mouthbreather, it isn't one or the other
>>737953678He sets up a good scenario then fails the people that drops them into despondency, thats the repeated outcome of his failures every time in the game. He's false hope my man.
>>737953472those plants are sprouted from the aspect he's been shedding just like how st trina sprouts as a flower. she wasn't a physical part of him he hacked off she was intertwined with his soul. the "blood" is a metaphor of what makes miquella, miquella. he wasn't a bodied person at that point as his real body was the husk in the cocoon. he's leaking blood everywhere where he's divesting himself of as much color to his runes as possible.
Why does nobody care about Mel Mel?
>>737953747His previous failures were due to lack of power. That's what becoming a god fixes.
>>737953513Go goon elsewhere, subhuman.
NOOOOO I NEED ALIEN GODS TO GOVERN MY LIFE, I'M LITERALLY INCAPABLE OF LIVING BY MY OWN MEANS.
>>737953786Because she doesn't have enough dialogue. Also because SOTE confirmed that she's a ghost of Marika's literal daughter and not Marika's own cast of personality.
>>737953786Because she's boring. No one was even certain she was marikas kid until messmer appeared in the dlc
>>737953621It is possible but not for Miquella because he took Marika and Radagon literally like in the stories of people getting waylaid making literal gold instead of a golden soul. One of Marika's hidden sermons via Melina is to look into religious structures and take what works and toss out the rest and keep doing that. Thats the alchemical process she's trying to get people to enact but Miquella never got the lesson right. He kept looking for true faith instead of seeing it as a tool to better himself and move on from. You have to view Miquella with the pretense that he was fucked from the outset and was destined to fail. You can use how he failed to see how to succeed.
In conclusion, Ranni did nothing wrong, she sacrificed the Lands Between, house of shitty gods, demigods and nobles, to free the whole world outside. Im happy that we all finally agreed on this
>>737953786Because Fromsoft had a Ranni agenda and knew Melina was the best choice see >>737953483 It’s fairly obvious she either is or related to the Gloam Eyed Queen who Fromsoft doesn’t even bother with either.
>>737952001Millions die no matter what ending you choose.
I don't care what she does or thinks I pledge my allegiance to her and get her ending every single time because she's cute.
>>737953621>>737953928>He is a vain cunt He literally tore apart his own personality to become worthy of godhood retard. Also, he did do it. The game doesn't say, "Miquella calls it pure gold", it says he fucking DID do it.>he was fucked from the outset and was destined to fail. He would have won were it not for some random demigod hobo showing up to kill him at the 11th hour for no reason at all.
>>737953992I think the Gloam Eyed Queen doesn't really exist for any reason but to be a question mark in the setting personally, the existence of dedicated god-slayers and a heretical Black Flame that has very similar effects to Destined Death raises more questions than it answers
>>737953992>It’s fairly obvious she either is or related to the Gloam Eyed QueenThe biggest sign that someone's a retard is if they think Melina is related to the gloam eyed queen especially since messmers lore reveals why their eyes were sealed
>>737954074>He literally tore apart his own personality to become worthy of godhood"Worthy of godhood" is a completely false premise, Marika didn't do any of this shit and ascendedOther anon is right that Miquella doesn't represent anything but false hope and empty promises
>>737954117>You're a retard if you think that Melina is the gloam eyed queen just because the game fucking explicitly shows she's the gloam eyed queenlol
>>737954037I dont think there's anywhere near a million people actually alive in the lands between. We're showing up after everything went to shit in the demigods wars
>>737953819The ultimate realization is he didn't understand where power comes from. He was entirely coached and couched within the GO norms while we learn that the GO is a complete bastardization of how power flows. Its manufactured reality in a way. Its a manufactured layer of societal reality over top of the actual reality that exists before, during, and after his reign. Miquella never got the real message so his general outlook as a god would itself be skewed and narrow.>>737954074 In the true canon sense, assuming the tarnished does as much content as possible, that random demigod hobo is there because a part of Miquella that he shed implored you to stop him. That part of him is truly a part of himself, it begging you to stop him is coming from him.
>>737954156Sure it does
>>737954130>"Worthy of godhood" is a completely false premise,No it isn't. You don't have to do it just to become a god, you're right, Marika didn't. But that's why she failed AS a god. She brought her human imperfections with her into the divine, causing her to make arbitrary and cruel decisions which reverberated into the future and doomed her own regime and the world as a whole. Miquella didn't have to do this to become a god, he did it so that he could be trusted AS a god.
>>737954078GEQ existed and was an Empyrean, probably the first empyrean of Marika's reign and direct rival, since Destined Death was still in GEQ hands (Erdtree era officially starts when Rune of Death is sealed)
>>737954182>while we learn that the GO is a complete bastardization of how power flows. Its manufactured reality in a way. Its a manufactured layer of societal reality over top of the actual realityRetarded nonsense>that random demigod hobo is there because a part of Miquella that he shed implored you to stop himWrong, the game explicitly says you do it for the throne, irrespective of whether you met Trina. And even Trina says to kill him to save HIM, not because he would be bad or you would be better.
>>737954240She failed as a god for reasons both within and outside of her control, you may as well say Placidusax failed as a god because Bayle attacked him and he simply lost favor with the Elden Ring in favor of Marika and humanity
>>737954247>was an EmpyreanI hate Soulsbourne threads on /v/ because people just shit out their unsupported headcanon as if its fact
>>737954247Correct, and also it was Melina, her own daughter. Then after Maliketh killed her, Marika tuned her spirit, creating the ghost Melina we know
Ranni causes homosexuals infinite asspain, therefore she is best wife
>>737954346>you may as well say Placidusax failed as a god Placidusax wasn't a god. He was elden lord. We don't know why the dragon god fucked off or died or whatever.
>>737954347Try to read Black Flame Ritual description, idiot
I still don't understand why the pope is a turtle
>>737945138Godwyn by all appearances was special as perfect son that didn't have any deformities.
>>737954441Ranni is not even in the top 5 best girls in the game
>>737954240>Miquella didn't have to do this to become a god, he did it so that he could be trusted AS a godHe also fucked himself doing this, he apparently lost his following after abandoning St. Trina and with it "his love", rendering the entire point of his ascension mootNobody wants a brainless god that is "perfect" but incapable of its own aspect by trying to render down a human emotion into its raw numbers and rendering himself incapable of actually thinking about it too hard, impartial love is not possible and Miquella filling in the gaps with brainwashing is a terrible answer that, in the long run, gets him killed and his order destroyed in the cradle
>>737954441ironically enough you will suffer eternal dick pain trying to fuck that puppet
>>737954182I posit he's well aware where power truly comes from, which is why he decided to go the route that he did. Instead of sacrificing swathes of people like Marika he shed so much of himself the only thing keeping him anchored to the world was the vow. We're presented with 2 ways to touch the divine. Either by mass sacrifice (and therefore a lot of runes at once) or to become runes yourself by removing every physical characteristic, feeling and attachment to the world you become a fleeting beam of light and cross the veil to the divine. It's notable in the memory of the vow he's on his knees begging. He knows becoming a god will result in his death. Worse than death maybe if he doesn't truly die and he fades away as light after we kill his anchor to the world. It might be the real reason Radahn stopped the stars, to prevent Miquella's fate.
>>737954493Wisdom>>737954501other than his mermaid tail
>>737954163There's continents beyond the fog.
>>737954575He didn't have that in the flashback cinematic. I'm pretty sure the tail is a product of Fromsoft's love of the immortal mermaid story.
>>737954323Marika removes death and installs a rune of the unborn. The cycle of life that flows thru the ring was broken her order in ways it hasn't been broken before. The goal behind the scenes is to stop having the cycle fucked with via the ring.
>>737954594No there's not. It's pretty clear the Lands Between isnt a place you can just travel to
>>737954556>He also fucked himself doing this, he apparently lost his followingNo he didn't. >abandoning St. Trina and with it "his love", rendering the entire point of his ascension mootHe very obviously still cares about the world. You are confusing Trina's personal, emotional love with divine "agape". >impartial love is not possible Not only is it possible, it's mandatory. >and Miquella filling in the gaps with brainwashing is a terrible answer that, Explain why simply making murder impossible wouldn't work or is a bad idea>that, in the long run, gets him killed and his order destroyed in the cradleWrong, you did it for your own greed.
>>737946505Unsealing the Rune of Death should fix the TWLID problem on its own over time.
was this anyone else's favorite spell in the game?love having it in a magic swordsman sort of build where it can be used to set up burst windows with melee skills
>>737954689The stupid shit Marika did with her power is unrelated to the origin of that power.
>>737954574I think the biggest counterpoint to him believing he had to do that is Ranni, who did something extremely similar, necessitated exactly two sacrifices (both demigods, in her case herself and Godwyn), still follows the actual tenets of alchemy that makes up the Empyrean/Elden Lord relationship (a male warrior and a female mage, the rubedo and albedo), and apparently imparted some kind of power to her given she can oneshot the player at any level for trying to puppet-rape herAnd all of this without divesting herself of her personality, free will, having to brainwash anybody
>>737954512I'm glad you finally came out of the closet, anon.
>>737954774nah, nothing beats the magic hammer
>>737954117>Has a sealed eye>Posseses the power of Destined Death in the Frenzied Flame ending>Her eye is even dark in that endingMmhmm
>>737954734Godfrey and the Tarnished left with boats to colonize the world.
>>737954738>No he didn't. There's a force ghost right next to the "abandoned my love" cross that bemoans Miquella shedding his love and rendering his purpose mootI didn't read the rest because "nuh uh" is just ignoring the game so this conversation is pointless
>>737954563Ranni is no longer limited by her body the second you put the ring on her. Want her to look like fanart Ranni? Totally doable. Wanna fuck the doll body but have it feel good? Also on the table.
>>737954823Well thats because Ranni assassinates anyone who is a threat to her (Selvius) and also fucks off into space in her ending, not stay in the Lands Between trying to get everyone to worship her
>>737954574The only divide I see is he was feeding runes toward himself in worship knowingly while Marika might not have known how bad it could get. You get a sense that Marika entreated with the beast and then the beast got out of control from her desires but with Miquella you have someone intentionally using the things Marika did. Add in his stint worshipping everything Radagon and what you know Radagon represented and it makes it look like Miquella never stood a chance. There probably is no correct way to be a god as a mortal. >>737954808The point is that under her stewardship of the ring she bastardized the entire cycle of life for her own reign and then wasn't going to give it up. She misplayed her role as the ring bearer. That topic goes into the larger discussion of what it means to rule.
>>737954734Land of Reeds, Badlands and Land of Numens are all outside Lands Between, and people can travel there or from there
>>7379548301. Millicent2. Rya3. Nepheli4. Sellen5. LatennaRanni even gets mogged by her own mom
>>737944808Woman moment.
>>737954850Does that mean Messmer is the Gloam Eyed King? Have you even read Messmers lore which relates to Melina?Retard
>>737954823I don't think Ranni cares or even knows about the process to become a god. It happens as a matter of fate if you see it through, not her will, which is some poetic irony.
>>737954563You underestimate my power.
>We should keep the gods in power...>BUT strip out their emotions - the only thing that ties them to their humanity - to make them emotionless super-powered logic robots that have no heartWas Gold Mask evil AND retarded? Do autists really?
>>737954887>There's a force ghost right next to the "abandoned my love" cross that bemoans Miquella shedding his love and rendering his purpose mootHe asked "how can you save everyone if you can't save Trina". The answer is, "Miqualla can save everyone specifically because he was willing to give up Trina (his love for himself)." There's also no evidence that he lost a bunch of followers over this act or that many people even knew about it.>I didn't read I can fucking tell
>>737945469>survival of the fittest the strong takesWould accept that in an heartbeat.Sorry you're too weak or cowardly to need laws and the protection of the government in order to thrive.I'd murder my way to peak comfiness and none of you faggots could stop me.
>>737955025No lol. Melina's eye has the beast claw seal because Maliketh defeated the Gloam Eyed King. Messmer has the abyssal serpent in his eye so he was sealed in the shadow realm.
>>737955075Goldmask is very smart except for the fact that he's a GO simp despite hating central tenants of the GO so of course his ending is retarded
>>737955075Just short sighted because his theory of thought had to be a redress of Marika specifically.
>>737954823Ranni's goal was just to hide herself away from the world, not change or fix it. Also, she didn't become a god, she just body hopped. The act has apparently weakened her to some extent as well, causing her to periodically fall into long bouts of slumber.
>>737955060Yeah that'd be the ultimate poetic irony that Ranni traced all the steps of godhood, got something pretty close but not necessarily quite there (hard to be sure), only actually did it in service of burning the Two Fingers, at no point aligned herself with a precious metal (closest would be silver or mercury I guess since she's pretty heavy into the Nox stuff and gleefully dibbles into their artifacts and weaponry), and above all else was fated to do it by the starsIt'd be really funny if Elden Ring's takeaway was that the alchemic process and the formation of gold are a sham with no good end-result and so just fuck off into the enlightenment era
>>737955147Nice headcanon anonMaybe post it somewhere else though because no one here cares
>>737955061There's some really good dollfucker classics out there toohttps://exhentai.org/g/1397640/c526db31ec/https://exhentai.org/g/1465791/60f1852d7d/https://exhentai.org/g/1836060/5e478db2b5/
>>737955167He's not a simp for the golden order institution, he merely used their theology as a spring board to form his own, better, more correct version.
>>737955227He's right though. He may even be quoting me specifically. You can tell because in the frenzied flame ending, the only ending where Maliketh is dead but she is not, the seal is broken, and she reveals her gloam eye, and threatens you with destined death.
>>737955263Which is flawed because the golden order IS the institution, Marika decided what was and wasn't part of the Elden ring
>>737955320>He may even be quoting me specificallyOh so he's quoting your retard headcanon. Sad.
>>737955217I don't think "pursuit of divine perfection can't end well" works as a narrative theme when you don't show the results of the one person who did with good intentions and just have him get jumped by an OP retard who kills him right before he finishes.
>>737955075>strip out their emotions - the only thing that ties them to their humanityWasn't that also Miquella's plan? My guess is that this conclusion is inevitable because either the gods are flawed or the golden order is flawed and getting rid of the latter (as part of the fundamentalism's golden rule) is a contradiction.
>>737955347Gold Masks' idea of the "golden order" is an attempt to realize the intentions of the greater will as the creator of the world. He previously believed that Marika was a representative or direct glient god of the GW, and then rejects her and her gay tree when you help her realize she's bullshit.
>>737955263And his own better interpretation is a direct reference to Marika in all ways. He doesn't have the worldview to make a properly running reality. No one does, thats the fucking point. The ring has to be yeeted.
>>737955257Nice. I already have the 1st and 3rd favorited on Sadpanda, but I've never seen the 2nd.
>>737955515>And his own better interpretation is a direct reference to Marika in all ways.No it isn't. He comes to the conclusion that she and her tree have to go, which is why Corhyn pushes him off a cliff. >The ring has to be yeeted.The ring is the source of all life. Yeeting it means yeeting existence, IE, the frenzied flame ending. Goldmask's solution is to fix the elden ring and then reinforce it so that gay human "gods" can't fuck with it anymore.
>>737955061Don't try it.
>>737955493Yes, which is why he's a retard. The Golden Order is specifically the order created and established by Marika, it doesnt represent the wishes of the Greater Will (and, though Goldmask has no way of knowing this, the GW doesnt care what kind of order is imposed, only that there is order).
>>737955412The game sets up very blase moral and philosophical ideals as endings you can work out how all of them will go based on what they are based out of. The egalitarian ending will have everyone being equal, the nihilist ending won't have anyone, the instrumentality ending will have everyone being tools, the debasement ending will have everyone being degenerates and so on. You can logically work them all out because they are built on established conditions. >>737955601His solution is to fix the flaws in the GO but its still creating a GO and we know the GO exists to feed runes toward a thing and uses war as the quickest means to do it. It isn't a natural faith, its a structured Machiavellian design to eat runes. Perfecting its design isn't what you want.
>>737955601>Yeeting it means yeeting existence, IE, the frenzied flame ending. Goldmask's solution is to fix the elden ring and then reinforce it so that gay human "gods" can't fuck with it anymore.On paper, from an in universe standpoint knowing what Goldmask would logically know, yeah his ending seems good. But as players he get a lot of information that Goldmask has no way of getting which shows his plan as misguided and dumb
>>737955669>The Golden Order is specifically the order created and established by Marika, it doesnt represent the wishes of the Greater WillThe GO insititution does. Goldmask's Golden Order Fundamentalist philosophy does not, which is why tree worshipping fundie retards murdered him at least twice. Guess he wised up and finally changed the name to "perfect order" when creating the great rune to avoid future confusion.
>>737955747>and we know the GO exists to feed runes toward a thingNo.
Genuinely, what the fuck is even happening in Fias ending? Are we reintroducing death? Are the spooky skeletons now considered a normal part of the world? Is Godwyn still trapped in his weird undeath?
>>737955873Why is it misguided and dumb? Why should we not want laws of physics that can't be changed?
>>737956029skeleton rights
>>737956029>Are we reintroducing death? This happens in all endings>Are the spooky skeletons now considered a normal part of the world?Yes. And probably all corpses become undead>Is Godwyn still trapped in his weird undeath?Yes, but also Fia doesn't consider his state "trapped" or otherwise wrong
>>737956029you're codifying the those who live in death condition so instead of them being a bug in the system they become a normal part of it.
>>737956029The latter two. Godwyn becomes a tutelary god and people rising as TLID becomes the norm.
>>737954954explain how please, I don't understand half the shit these characters do/did, I only play game.
>>737956029You literally gives TWLID civil rights
>>737955412His good intentions were achieved with brainwashing, up to and including the high probability of Radahn because at no point is it stated what Radahn thinks of the whole thing (the closest you get is Freyja assuming Radahn would want it and acknowledging Radahn's closest friend and confidant would be horrified and disgusted at the whole ordeal), he's a great example of good intentions not being enough
>>737956051>Why is it misguided and dumb?Because he's still a Golden Order simp, he just thinks people shouldn't be able to change it.
>>737956004Look anon, Marika had 3 religious structures and they flowed one after the other and got more extreme in their cultural norms. Look into how they changed, the entire religion was a death march to feed people to a tree that had an alien in it. Thats all. It isn't some true reflection of reality or a reflection of the GW in any way, its a self serving parasitic alien that is using knowledge of how the cycle should work to feed itself instead. Its a big fucking issue for a cyclic system of empires that have until now did their thing without grinding the overall flow of body/soul/spirit. What the GO represents is an end to the cycles, it becomes a stagnant solid state that exists to feed runes. Goldmask doesn't even know this is a problem with the GO cycle, he only sees Marika's as fallable because she has a male copy she uses, not because of some deeper philosophical revelation about the GW design.
>>737956146>This happens in all endingsNo it doesnt retard
>>737956029The same thing that happens in all undead win scenarios - eventually everyone is undead but its a good life.
>>737956147And that's supposed to be a good thing? They're mindless undead killing everything they can get their hands on. Why would anyone want that to be part of the world???
>>737956246A see a lot of retard headcanon and no quotes from the game that support this
>>737944808Reminder that Original Dark Souls 2 is superior to Shit of the First Scholar:1. SOTFS ruined the lighting system, cranked up exposure and ruined the entire aesthetic of the game.2. SOTFS enemy TYPE placement is nonsensical and illogical, it ruins immersion and environmental storytelling.3. SOTFS healing upgrade item placement (estus flask shards and sublime bonedust) are inferior to that of the orginal.4. SOTFS ruins the progression, flow and exploration of the game by adding a lot shitty petrified statues blocking off areas for no good reason.5. SOTFS nerfed many bosses, damage and turned the game into a casualized dogshit game. Contrary to popular belief, the majority of the changes made the game much easier in most areas, only a few areas were made harder, as a whole, SOTFS is casualized garbage compared to the original.
>>737956246The erdtree never ate anyone and the elden beast is the first terrestrial life form. You are quoting 4 year old misinformation
>>737956174The power she has once she becomes the new god is so massive that something as simple as changing her flesh becomes trivial. She doesn't want to use that power to influence the world but that doesn't mean she won't have endless crazy space sex with her dear consort eternal.
>>737944808I'm physically unable to look at Ranni with a straight face anymore. Her character design stands out like a sore thumb compared to literally everything else in the game. Her big dumb hat and giant dress with a bunch of frills make her look like a Touhou character, even next to other waifubait characters in ER she looks like she's from an entire different game.Also with the ghost face and all she looks overdesigned like some 3rd rate vtuber, I bet the designer who drew her was some autistic otaku who I imagine basically socially pressured everyone else to go "uhh yeah she doesn't look bad I guess" because criticism is rude in Japan and she made it into the game through the force of his autism alone
>>737944808>>737956372What happened to the Sun in Shit of the First Scholar version?Fuck anyone who prefers Shit of the First Scholar.
>>737956237His idea of "golden order" is enforcing the normal rules of life and death, including reversing Marika's edits. He doesn't even slightly care about the church and they have nothing to do with his ending or his mending rune.
>>737956326>Why would anyone want that to be part of the world???Fia asked nicely and she even gave (you) a hug.
>>737956326No, it's not. From games love letting you be a moron or an outright villain if you want. The Fia ending is creating halloween world for undead pussy. Still better than Age of Despair of course.
>>737956246but that system is what goldmask wants. he's interpreting the design of the greater will and the greater will wants to reconstitute itself into the one great. the flaw is fallable people messing with this system for their own ends to goldmask.
>>737956373Every heroes tomb has erdtree roots eating people, the cultural expectation upon death is to be marched to and buried at the roots of minor erdtrees. Erdtrees secret a viscous red mass called root resin. As a tree matures on runes it produces a thing called a cracked tear and then sunflowers representing the dead warriors to produce the tear spring around the tree. Before erdtree burial this wasn't how death and the spread of runes was handled.
>>737944850>save the worldwhat world? I still have no idea if the lands between are a real place or a limbo or whateverare we dead? undead? we see funerals for some of the characters in the intro. is ofnir dead? is this the afterlife?I like open ended story telling that doesn't explain everything as much as the next fromdrone, but sometimes they go too far
>>737956443>His idea of "golden order" is enforcing the normal rules of life and death, including reversing Marika's editsHeadcanon. From the information given in game we know that Goldmask's primary goal is to make it so that the Golden Order cant be changed by anyone in the future. The rest is your headcanon.
>>737956564>and the greater will wants to reconstitute itself into the one great. No it fucking doesn't. You're also misinterpreting propaganda from a literal demon.
>>737956405Reminds me of this
>>737948198>She eventually tells you why Marika breaks the ring, and it isn't because of Godwyn.What exactly????
>>737956567Before the shattering, people who were burried in the tree were eventually reborn from it. It's a tool that serves humanity, not the other wag around. It's just currently disfunctional
>>737956631the frenzy flame is the jungian shadow of the greater will. it's the warped desire to just melt everything down instead of regressing back into itself. that doesn't invalidate what's said about the one great.
>>737956379the elden ring manga is such a gem
>>737956564>he's interpreting the design of the greater willAnd he's incorrectly interpreting the wishes of the greater will which is why his premise is conceptually flawed. The Greater Will wants order imposed by the Elden Ring, but it doesn't care what that order entails.
>>737956405>her dear consort eternalI don't think she cares about her lord any more than you care about the delivery guy who brought you your pizza
>>737956542>Still better than Age of Despair of course.Shiteater at least is honest. He's not trying to trick into making the world into a living nightmare over whore hugs. He wants the world to be shit, he tells you that he wants the world to be shit. How he wants everyone to suffer and despair. If you help him you have nobody to blame but yourself
>>737956564Goldmask is a crank
>>737956587The description of his mending rune calls Marika a retard and he prophesizes the erdtree being burned. That's why he was poisoned by the GO the first time and pushed off a cliff by Corhyn. He is explicitly anti-institutional, including against Marika herself.
>>737956752t. didn't do the full quest which cements her feelings towards you as love and changes her final line from "fair consort" to "dear consort".
>>737956702Hes full of shit no one says. The opening movie makes it seem like she shattered the Ring in response to Godfreys death, all the player can learn is that she shattered the ring sometime after and not necessarily in response to his death
>>737954669>He didn't have that in the flashback cinematic.proof? He didn't have legs in the flashback cinematic either, but you're assuming he had those
>>737947706>>737947779>>737947797They were blessed by the erdtree or strong and died leaving their runes(strength/essence) behind. See all the skulls you crush that drops gold runes. They weren't heroes or particular string just normal people who died and left their strength behind via runes. It's nothing complicated. People die in the Lands Between and leave runes behind. Being taken to the catacombs for Erdtree burial is another matter but part of the Erdtree's life cycle and allows for souls to be reborn
>>737956405>>737956638Ah, I get it now, thanks
>>737956705The frenzied flame is the incarnation of the nihilistic conclusion that existence itself is not worth enduring. The end state of its victory is the permanant end of life. It is the absolute antithesis of the greater will, which spreads life throughout the universe.
>>737953786Who?
>>737956792god damn itwell, gotta play this shit again
>>737956764Oh yeah for sure. It's terrible, possibly the worst ending of any game ever, but 100% intentional
>>737953786Because she's a wasted character who likely had more cut content than anyone else and only lives in the ending where she vows to kill you. Her ghost face gimmick is also done by Ranni who does have a proper ending so she has nothing unique.
>>737956564He doesn't know about the alien that was doing that though, he only knows Marika can't represent true divinity if she needs an alter ego. He would remove Marika as the intermediary but keep the cycle of runes the GO has established together because he doesn't have a clue about the larger picture of the GO fucking up the life cycle. He's too focused on what Marika did wrong as a walking woman moment to see the collateral of her woman moments. >>737956703The deathrite funeral burnings had a system of its own but it didn't pervert the wider cycle like the GO. The overall movement of life is fucked up in the GO that is the point of the game's narrative. Thats why Ranni's ending is the 'good ending' in all these philo debates. The only caveat for her ending is oh noes is scawwy well get over it the game is also telling you to man up and get out there and be badass stop being bitchmade.
>>737956792Here's the description:"Rune discovered by the noble Goldmask.Used to restore the fractured Elden Ring when brandished by the Elden Lord.A rune of transcendental ideology which will attempt to perfect the Golden Order.The current imperfection of the Golden Order, or instability of ideology, can be blamed upon the fickleness of the gods no better than men. That is the fly in the ointment.""The current imperfection of the Golden Order." Goldmask is still a follower of the Golden Order, he just believes it's flaws need to be fixed. What you think those flaws are, like adding the rune of death back to the Elden ring, is headcanon. He thinks Marika shouldn't be allowed to affect the Golden Order yet still simps for it even though she created it. Whether you look at it from the perspective of Goldmask trying to interpret the GW's desire (which we know he is incorrect in thinking the GW wants anything beyond some form of order created through the Elden Ring) or from the perspective of him disliking Marika but still simping for the Golden Order, his reasoning and premise is flawed
>>737956892yes exactly. it's self contradictory just like marika shattering the ring and radagon trying to repair it, just like st trina asking you to kill miquella. it's the jungian shadow of the greater will.
>>737956992See >>737957025 and >>737957115, the anon you're replying to is a retard that doesnt know very important pieces of lore.
>>737956868The message is that they die at appointed times because their whole life was a tool for something else. They didn't actually have agency even though they thought they did. Under this view everyone is a chess piece to be used by someone on a higher rung of society/reality. You might be the star pawn that en passants then marches up the board to get knighted then take the queen and checkmate the king, you might be the pawn that gets sacrificed so the bishop can project more potential moves. It isn't your call and once you achieve the goal something grander than you set out for you you'll die.
>>737957025What's fucked up about the GO is the rune of death being sealed and that is fixed in every ending. The tree was never the problem, it was just a tool to serve as a bandaid over the actual problem. Perfect Order is better than the dark moon ending, which is functionally not different from the age of fracture, except now you're having sex with a doll on the moon.
>>737957265>What's fucked up about the GO is the rune of death being sealed and that is fixed in every ending.Absolute retard headcanon
>>737957115>What you think those flaws are, like adding the rune of death back to the Elden ring, is headcanonWhat else could he possibly mean by "the fickleness of gods no better than men"? Why do you you think he endorces burning the erdtree?>>737957186Kill yourself.
>>737957303??? going to farum azula and claiming the rune of death to free it happens no matter the ending. did you finish your playthrough?
>tfw you realize Elden Ring is a cautionary tale about what happens if you allow women in positions of power
>>737957303You literally go to the edge of time and kill the creature keeping death sealed. The effects of it being unsealed are immediate and dramatic, as the erdtree itself can no longer resist the flames of ruin.
>>737957265Age of stars is the only ending where people aren't being meddled with by some sort of higher abstracted power they generally won't understand. In a bloodborne sense the link these people have with the ring and the aliens fighting over it has left them under the heel of things they can't comprehend. Every other ending leaves people at the mercy of things that have shown to ruin their lives and mess up the world.
>>737957375>What else could he possibly mean by "the fickleness of gods no better than men"?We can only go off of what information is given to us in game. Goldmask wants to fix the imperfection in the Golden Order but its not specified what he thinks those imperfections are. Confidently stating its this or that is the definition of headcanon.
>>737957452>the only ending where people aren't being meddled with by some sort of higher abstracted power they generally won't understand.Other than the evil moon and stars which Ranni worships and has given free reign over the world
>>737957502Which, again, are entirely passive and represent memory. They just want to watch the life cycle play out.
>>737957487Answer the question, fag
>>737957452There is an argument to be made that the time before the Shattering was fairly prosperous, though. The Two Fingers were known as inspirational orators that blessed people left and right.Which is to say that maybe the "meddling" of the GW isn't all that bad.
>>737957534They already led the Nox civilization to skynetting itself. They are sapient, independent entities with physical bodies and only bad intentions. It's also physically and mentally damaging to even percieve them.
>>737957556No? You're missing the point and your own bias is coloring your interpretation of what the imperfections are. Goldmask could have a problem with the fact that Marika was able to just smash the Elden Ring and eliminate the Golden Order on a whim. He could have disliked that she was able to become Radagon and wield influence that way. He could have disliked that someone was still able to use the Rune of Death to kill someone (it was also a god who orchestrated that, after all.) We dont know what he thought the imperfections of the Golden Order were.
>>737957835We actually do know, because we know he was controversial and eventually murdered for his beliefs and teachings even before Corhyn. "Marika shouldn't smash the ring" would not be a controversial opinion. "It's okay for death to be inevitable", is.
>>737948116Clever boy.
>>737958073>We actually do knowOK then quote me the in game dialogue or item descriptions that say so.
Fromsoft is legitimately insane if they aren't already making Elden Ring 2.
>>737957692It was probably pretty chill, the game states people just got drunk and made perfumes and chilled. You can see a hard militaristic shift when the erdtree faith changes into the Golden Order. You see the way of life rapidly shift to militarism that will usher glorious dead to burial in a machine as the GO influence spreads. Then they turn fanatic in the fundamentalist age and everyone revolts against them. Goldmask has no clue that the GO warped to become a death march for an alien tree though, his solution is linked to the GO in such an intrinsic way you can't trust him to fix the larger issue. What would a perfected GO without a woman leading it look like? It would be a schema that would get as many runes to its central faith structure as possible while having everyone internalize the inevitableness of the GO thru its 2 rules. The failing he sees is people resisting what is obvious to him - following the GW will via the GO rules. Its obvious of course. He doesn't understand how to actually fix the GO thru looking at where it went wrong because he doesn't understand why it went wrong in truth.
>>737948798Literally the only people that like the Golden Order are Radagon (Marika's lesser doppleganger) Morgott (Uncle Ruckus) and Kenneth Haight (a delusional crackpot). Its over, bro.
>>737958202of course they are. it's their largest success to date by a massive margin. we're only going to get open world slop from here on out. the days of linear souls games are a thing of the past.
>>737958202Miyazaki is CEO and he notoriously hates making sequels
>>737944808She knows she's in a video game and wants out, but doesn't understand what a video game is and that the only person with any true free will is us, the player puppeting our character. Similar to how she interacts with the game world herself.
>>737958281He's a Godfrey and Radagon fanboy and stopped the starts, a canonicaly "fuck you" to be tranni's goals
>>737958195If you refuse to use your brain to make inferences, you can't make any conclusion about anything in this game
>>737958410Ah so you cant actually support what you're saying with anything in game. Got it.
>>737958360Is that why he made ace combat 6?
>>737958202ER was too kino and the headcannon breaks would cause twitter sisters to self harm
>>737958469I already explained the logic to you, and you offered no alternative, tranime fag.
>>737958202You will play Nightreign II - The Bloodborning on the Nintendo Switch™ 2 and you will like it.
>>737958476I didn't say he's never made a sequel
>>737958202can you imagine the work needed to make actual coherent lore from fromsofts bullshit of vagueness storytelling? that alone means they will never make ER2
>Goldmask>The source code of reality causes problems if it's fucked with, it should be made read-only for all but the admin>Ranni>The source code of reality causes problems if it is fucked with, it should be moved to a remote server
>>737958580There will never be a From game on the shitch 2. The ER port and Duskbloods are never ever coming out
>>737958730If you are a guy that thinks about rome daily most of the game fills itself out.
>>737958778>doesn't know the source code has a returnto10 line inserted>worried about the dev notes attached to source code, thats bad programming tsk tsk
>>737958778No you don't get it goldmasks problem actually was that people couldn't die according to the schizo theory I created in my head
>>737957219That's too autistic of an interpretation. Because soldiers can be used strategically on a board doesn't mean a cosmic authoritarian is dictating the lives of soldiers on a board. Like in our game you the player can decide who you fight, things aren't set in stone
>>737958921That's the same thing, dumbass.
>knight's lightning spear still trivializes the entire game
>>737959253Lots of things trivialize elden ring
>>737958390He did that to save his Nox buddies in Sellia, their last hold out on the surface. If anything that demonstrates anti-Golden Order leanings given that the Nox later hunted down Golden Order symbols like Godwyn and the other dead demigods.
>>737959149Its part of the overall theming showing how 'fate' is playing out for the people in TLB. The abstraction in how they are being used by aliens is so far beyond their in-universe understanding that they've resigned themselves to calling it 'fate' and living by it. They don't understand that its literal magic and faith spiraling together to create aliens they stand no chance against. The game has a big ecological angle showing you how life should be lived and death handled and how that fuels all life in a cycle and then throws in aliens and religions and beliefs formed around them that fuck that natural cycle up. People shouldn't be living like tools for this stuff, their lives shouldn't have to be entangled in this mire.
>>737959357sure, but kls trivializes it the most by a long shot. alongside ancient dragon lightning strike i guess. or just dragon cult incants as a whole
>>737959253How can something thag requires beating Radahn and Mohg to access "trivialize the game"
>>737956830Proof that he DID have a fish tail before his death?
>>737959651He was using his fish tail to walk around leyndell when he got killed.
>>737959502radahn and mohg can be completely cheesed with dragon communion spells, which is why 80/17 faith/arcane is statistically the most overpowered build in the game
>>737958360It doesn't need to be a series like DS was. There's room another for one more game.
Whatever is the truth about Goldmasks intentions, it is still clear that his ending is better for the Lands Between since it, alongside the default ending, is the only ending that leaves the world in a state capable of dealing with the Godwyn issue.
god she's so perfect
>>737959895lol
Every souls ending should include marriage
>>737960041Every Soulslike Fromsoft makes in the future probably will considering Age of Stars was by far the most popular ending to their most popular game.
Be honest. How many of you were going to give this to her after her ending?
Why are y'all simping for a genocidal puppet bitch when there's a perfect human woman around?
>>737960092She changed gaming forever...
The true ending dilemma should simply be who you wife
>>737959960If you're going to be dealing with super death cancer that is spreading like a virus, having a functional and present Elden Ring sure seems like a good bet.
>>737955101You'd be dead within a week and you damn well know it, shitdick
>>737959761True, king. I think he also uses his fish tail to defeat the ancient dragons as well.
>>737960160She definitely changed a lot of normalfags into dollfuckers
>>737960196Not an issue, death has been unsealed.
imagine not wanting a doll wife
>>737959895t-posing hands typed this post
>>737960273>DollfuckersGhostfuckers.
dolls cant get pregnant so...
>>737960405Skill issue
imagine being a dolly botherer
>>737960303There are undead and deathblight infected creatures still in the game after you defeat Maliketh. The damage is already done.
>>737960405how many demigods would you generate in 1000 years with her?
>>737960559Go kill them now that death is unsealed.
>>737960519Imagine not
ranni is an anti-mary sue, but a mary sue nonetheless>muahahaha look at how evil i am, but wait i have one line of dialogue that can change from "fair consort" to "dear consort" so that means i really do fall in love with you and that excuses all the horrible actions i've done!!
>>737960764Is this the one where he gets snu snu'd to death by the doll?
>>737960685How many am I allowed?I have an extreme breeding fetish and a desire for a big happy family
>>737944958They really, really don't.
>>737960519weak
>>737960734That's the plan. And you'd rather not have a macguffin capable of eradicating them in one go but would engage in a war of attrition instead, using soldiers who are little more than walking corpses themselves.
>>737960853There are actually like 3 or 4 of those. This is the maybe case where technically he's alive at the end but she's definitely trying to drain him dry.
>>737960519doll wife, happy life
>>737944808Best girl>canon tsundere
this game completely buried skyrim and it's not even close
>>737959405Radahn's too folded, his heroes are Golden Order Lord's but his home and upbringing is moon and nightsky related >>737959491Ah so you're thinking people's fate being represented by the "stars"/aliens like star beast and astels, Greater Will being one of those stars opens people of the lands between to manipulation. As for outer gods I don't think we can define them by more than "higher order" entities, sentient beings created closer to the initial splitting of The One Great by the Greater WillRadahn stopping the stars prevented Ranni's "fate" from moving. Was she fated to kill her fingers and alter fate then?... I think by looking at the starts the old astronomers could learn of their fates but things weren't set in stone. Ranni changed hers through action seemingly...
>>737962078Obviously, but that's a low bar
>>737962078Elder Scrolls' lore is more coherent but Elden Ring's is more fun to delve into
>>737961751Yeah she's a canon tsundere, short and flat (at least in her doll body) but fanartists usually get all of those things wrong. She literally sits on top of a stack of books to look more intimidating. She's not some hyper-confident tall bimbo.
>>737960519Couldn't be me
>>737962231As mentioned in >>737954954 and >>737956405 Ranni is whatever you want her to be after her ending.
>>737962225i think you meant it's less coherent but more fun, i'd agree with that. skyrim's lore was straightforward and boring, the only fun thing was the debate about stormcloaks vs imperials but the entire thing was contrived from the start
>>737962231>puppet>blushingthat's not how it works
>>737962145Ranni's "fate" is her communing with with space aliens, which Radahn cut off by accident when he used his power to repel those aliens off so that a falling star beast didn't land on Selia. By killing Radahn, you restore the connection between Ranni and the space demon she worships so that it can continue manipulating her into making bad and selfish decisions.
>>737962293you must be 18 to post on this site, 12 y.o. edgy kids arent allowed here
>>737962478We love Evanescence here
ranni simps are so broke they can't even afford an irl sex doll so they have to resort to being bullied by a fictional character in order to fantasize lamo
>>737962437your false propaganda wont work here, Two Fingers shill
>>737962575>can't even afford an irl sex dollHuh? They're not expensive at all zoombro.
>>737962718lame, buy the one with a grey hoodie on and then we'll talk
>>737962690Look I don't like the fingers and I'll help her with her little quest, but she's shown such a staggering lack of judgement that I'm sure as shit not putting her in charge. We're getting married and then I'm taking her to church
>>737962718God imagine once you die alone and theyre cleaning out your house they bring out the cum encrusted anime child sex doll
>>737963016Why would you care if you're dead?
>>737962478Any Tarnished who doesn't return from The Land of Shadow not taken Chaos didn't play the game
>>737951520>Frenzied Flame is just discount Eye of SauronMan, GRRM really did just change up the names, didnt he?
>>737963238Anyone who picks the frenzied flame ending is a faggot nihilist
>>737952127Godwyn was the literal Golden Boy of the order she hated.
>>737963370I just like the fire eyes and hearing Melmel whine
>nothing in the game aligns with buddhismthis game sucks
>>737958202You Elden DOGSHIT Ring tourists are hillarious. You won the battle with Elden DOGSHIT Ring, but lost the war.FromSoftware has creative honor and artistic integrity, they are done with Elden DOGSHIT Ring, Miyazaki said so himself.They want to focus on smaller projects and allow directors to direct games without the involvement of Miyazaki, so we get a more diverse flavour of FromSoftware games, which also opens up Miyazaki to work on his own passion projects.Miyazaki said that Elden DOGSHIT Ring isn't his ideal ARPG.You normalfag cattle, casuals, fake gamers, tourists poured your money into that casualized boring open-world slop Elden DOGSHIT Ring, desperately wanting to belong and invaded the True Souls Community, but all you achieved was that you gave all your money to FromSoftware, which they used to expand and make more games for the actual FromSoftware fans, not Elden DOGSHIT Ring newcomers.Nightreign is much better than Elden DOGSHIT Ring, it filtered millions of Elden DOGSHIT Ring newcomers and tourists.I can't wait for The Duskbloods, which will filter even more because of its forced PvP element.The future looks good for True FromSoftware Fans, not so much for Elden DOGSHIT Ring open-world slop tourists.>>737958360False. He doesn't want to make Dark Souls sequels because the old guard sidelined him with Dark Souls 2.Miyazaki has said multiple times that he is interested in returning to Bloodborne when the time is right and that it is Sony's call if they are down for it or not.
>Nightreign is much better
>>737963370Nihilism has nothing to do with, it's merely the second representative of Marika's kindness to take her roll. The Shaman Village tree is unshalked, let it grow from the ashes of the Erdtree
>>737963512Fair enough. I guess I should blame miazaki for not giving her more dialog
>>737963512Based
>>737952198Everything had to be planned down to the finest detail since Ranni had to kill herself at the exact moment that the target was killed for her plan to work. She chose Godwyn to be the target probably because he was (presumably) the least capable of fighting back which could delay the assassination and therefore cause her to just kill herself for real.
>>737963613Elden Ring is the best From game and the best video game. Also you never played bloodborne
>>737963673If Frenzy wins, nothing will ever grow or be born again. Melina herself says so and she represent's Marika's will on the subject
>>737963789Godwyn was profoundly powerful even among the demigods (probably on par with Malenia), Ranni chose him to maximize Marika's pain.
>>737963598did you not play shadow of the erdtree
>>737963828>Elden Ring is the best From game and the best video game.Underage tourist newcomer, you will never ever belong.>Also you never played bloodborneI have. Bloodborne is a million times better than Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
>>737964160Bloodborne is a 4 hour dodge simulator trapped on a console that can't run it. It's mediocre outside of art design and soundtrack.
>>737964120martial arts are not part of the dharma
>>737963892>blud thinks I want the Tarnished to liveMelina will do the needful and succumb, "those who walk beside the flame will meet destined death".On Miquella's death Trina left behind a Lily that bloomed. Miquella thematically matches up to the Shaman Tree. Kindness of gold without order = "the kind" who abandoned golden order fundamentalism Forever sapling = eternal child Shinning golden tree surrounded by flowers = pure and radiant, as ansbach describes. Unalloyed gold is a purer fold gold that doesn't exist in our universe The doomed fate of the god who would've saved the lands between at the cost of putting himself in an everlasting prison should lead somewhere. It's only right for Melina to kill the Lord of Chaos who burnt the Erdtree and let a new era grow from its ashes... the Golden kindly tree
>>737953417Deserved it.
>>737964313You haven't played Bloodborne, thanks for exposing yourself you low IQ subhuman secondary tourist.
>>737953483There is no Melina ending because she wants to die and wouldn't be happy about you preventing that.
>>737964612But I'm the one that's supposed to fill her dark soul with light
>>737962145I don't think that, the people in the setting do. I know their fate is just aliens fucking with them. They by and large can't do anything to stop it so they call it their fate.
>>737953786Luv Meli Meli me
FACT: The frenzied flame ending cutscene is by far the coolest
>>737964821Its worth the run if you are a lorefaggot. Lots of deeplore revealed.
>>737964821Best cutsceneBest endingBest girl
>>737954240Miquella was a retard that got rid of his capacity to love, but not his capacity to hate.
>>737963598Did you want him to rehash Buddhism for the 4th time after the dark souls games?
