Is it possible for a game to simply be unsuitable for some ethnicities? Wouldn't that require ethnicity alone to make people meaningfully different?
This is hurting the feelings of the chinese people. I will now review bomb your employee on LinkedIn and yelp
>>738017237
>>738017237Both of them right? Including the one of chinese descent?
>>738016732>another shitty advertisement general for Slop the SewerYou retards have discussed every single fucking pixel of this gambling luck sludge. Can you please fuck off to >>>/vg/ now? And take the Mewgenics retards with you.
>>738017421did your gacha thread get bumped off the 'log?
Swing and a miss.
can someone host multiplayer? I want to pop my multyplayer cherry
>>738017421God forbid we talk about video games on the video games board
Luv me some relics
help me get multiplayer a9steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243633568196/76561198006368528
>>738017495Join up anonsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243626060703/76561198065375276Beta lobby
>>738017495>>738017495
>>738017569but I don't play beta branch...
>>738017421hey man i wish jannies would move us to vg too but idk how we get them to actually enforce the rules
>>738017752Dont bother/vg/ is not for generals anymoreits /vidya gacha/
>>738017421dunking on chinks is board culture>>738017752>uslmao. you can make a /vg/ thread and spam loli regent right now, troon.
>>738017813got the wrong guy bro. i hate that faggot too
>>738016732>A9 Multiplayer Run>Playing Regent with Tyranny and Mayhem on the go>Get to act 3, it's fucking doornigger>End up exhausting my entire 30 card deck after a few cycles>I'm killed on a turn where I had 0 cards in my hand, discard and draw pile>He dies to my necro friend's doom that turnFUCK THE DOORNIGGER. I understand why everybody complains about him. I regularly beat him but his mechanics are so fucking stupid.
>>738018020
>>738016732i don't get it, this lore is too deep 4 me
>>738017568please join
>>738018090sts lore is simple and cool
>>738018141I'd join you but I'm only a4 on MP
>>7380175682/4
>>7380175683/4
>>738018209then it's his duty to help you get a5. we build each other up
>>738017568full
gg, was fun. I didn't really do anything in act 3, Knockdown+ too good I suppose
I love Stardust.Carried by Clad's Unmovable tho, perhaps I should give that character a chance, too.Just kidding, Regent fun will continue
>>738018927Had a run where I got 2x Sealed Throne and didn't see a single Stardust
>decided to cut defense with scissors for once and go all in on attacks with juggling and anger>steamrolled the first and a half arcs,entom and hunter died in the first 2 turns with minimal scalingTake the angerpill bros.
>>738018020i've noticed in single player runs when this happens and I save scum it was just my own fault for playing my cards too aggressively on the exhaust turn. doornigger's damage is pathetic so it's better to just take some hits on the exhaust turn and slowly kill him on the other 2 turns. Only go all in on the exhaust turn to get rid of your garbage or when you know its gonna be over before you are out of cards.
>>738019424removing defense and going aggro with ironclad is usually the strat, his basic defends don't scale up as wellbut i get what you mean by going all offense. i got a starting primal force once and was able to steamroll through a A10 with no real plan but rock throwing. outside of a elite, boss, and one or two encounters, there's really nothing but luck stopping you from burst damaging enemies in one/two turns
>>738017421NOOOOOOOOOOO MY CULTURE WAR GACHA GOON THREADS
>>738019496Oh I know I could have not played Tyranny or Mayhem or played so many of my exhaust targets on the hunger turns. It did lead to some juicy turns for me by doing so and when you are on the act three boss in multiplayer burning out quickly and brightly is a valid tactic IMO if your team can finish the fight. I'm not sure my friend would have had the sustain if I didn't play so aggressively but who knows.I just find it annoying that you build a deck with a tight strategy in the first two acts, it's coming together and feels great. Then you get to act 3 and see you are going up against doornigger, you don't really have the option to pivot your deck without just bloating it into a cluster fuck or duping it with the event or something. And then you just have to hope it works out with this sudden shift in cadence that is beholden to draw order way more than any other fight in the entire game. I don't like it.
From experience of running multiplayer on a10>Silent>Support: SCan do everything support needs to do, weak, AoE strength down, perma strength down, damage doubling, quadrupling or quintupling , artifact removal>Damage(multiple silents):APoison stacking >Damage(single silent): DIt feels like Silent just doesn’t do any damage by herself >Ironclad>Support: BInherently has only vuln but enough to have it perma on enemies, can provide good strength down with Mangle+(rare) and can provide a lot of block with unmovable+beacon of hope(TWO RARES). Otherwise only supports himself with more damage(cruelty)>Damage(Multiple Ironclads): SDoubling vuln is common, dominate and bully are merely uncommon. Can easily get +100 strength>Damage(single Ironclad): ASilent, Regent and Necro also have vuln card that can help building moderate 10~20 strength, but generally deals a lot of damage when doesn’t have to think about block all the time>Regent>Support: B+Has access to vuln and weak but in low numbers that stay for one turn, needs expensive cards to provide +2 turns of debuffs.Strength down is every in very low numbers or expensive but has access to it.Can give everyone big swords to hit very hard, but requires rare card.>Damage(multiple Regents):A-Regents don’t have any inherent synergies with each other>Damage(single Regent):A-Can pop off with Arsenal or stardust but harder multiply own damage if game doesn’t give all pieces. Still respectable damage >Necro>Support: S-Defy, debilitate, gives souls for draw, no inherent debuffs in starter deck deducts points, uncommon 1 cost strength down card that doesn’t exhaust, can give people osty for perma 7 block, can provide vuln and weak but in low numbers >damage(multiple Necros): ADoom stacking >damage(single Necro): B-Doesn’t feel like doing as much damage as Ironclads or Regents
>>738018150>read the lore>we're the bad guys>except regent, he just got bored and wanted to flex on other planets
>>738020282Old drum of battle is pretty great for burst builds, they should've buffed it instead of reworking it desu.
>>738020640Exhaust needed more love
>>738016732>china hateYour game would have been NOTHING without Chinese money.
I don't like Vakuu's new artwork at the start of act 3. He looks like he's from Monster's Inc.
>>738020678I'm sure they could find another completely useless Ironclad card to remake, it's not like he's lacking in those.
>>738020761devs said that Drums was least picked rare and had awful winrate
>play forge>get bulwark>win>don't get bulwark>lose
>>738020836uncommon*
>>738020836They could've reworked the second or third worst card. Or downgrade it. Nothing wrong with draw 2 with drawback on a common.
>>738020858Isn't it more about having a good block card than bulwark itself? I rarely focus on the sword, but usually just one card that you can cycle + one scaling card (sword sage / double damage this turn) setup is good for building it up, as long as you can block
>>738017237lmaoQuestion, is the new steam controller on my 9 second car so I can play spire with it?
>>738020563I think it's hard to ever solo carry on silent because of how block-centric they are, but they can shit out decent numbers with shiv/strangle shenanigans. I don't think it's wrong to say that she has the worst solo damage, but I wouldn't call it bad either.
gg. claw kinda worked out despite only getting one>picrelis this shit bugged? no way I did most damage.
>>738020575defect seems alright
GG spire sisters
>>738020689shut it gook
>>738021129>>738020563In my friend's second ever STS run he solo carried on Silent with a few shiv cards and a knife trap.
>>738021565Gook is a compliment for the them.
After playing against the Doormaker with a deck that goes pseudo infinite (for the first time) I get where the asshurt is coming from. He's fine, easy even, if you're running a normal deck but a deck like this becomes straight up unplayable. Two firsts happened, not having fun and subsequently giving up.Why incentivise a deck like this if you tune a boss to hard counter it. I don't feel like running this status deck again on the off chance I run into the Doormaker.
>>738020575none of our characters are bad guys, only Neow is evil
>>738016732>pichuehuehue
>>738021783They're evil Neow's toys, how are they not evil?
>>738021652You're supposed to see that it's Doormaker at the start of Act 3 and pivot your deck to beat him. This experience is as old as STS1 Time Sneeder
>>738020563Shivs can do a lot of damage comparable to others when you're stacking debuffs. Buffing Shivs with Accuracy and Phantom Blades, debuffing with weak (for Tracking), and having someone else apply Vuln/Debilitate can all lead to consistent numbers even with only 1-2 shivs per turn, not to mention any Strength gain and Knife TrapPoison doesn't work in multiplayer at all until you find Accelerant, but you shouldn't be praying for a rare card every game
>>738021853Because fuck the architect.
>>738022046Architect did nothing wrong, Neow poisoned him.
>>738021652you needed something to play through the energy turn. a bottled insaity or just turbo+ would let you go infinite. you then have the entire exhaust phase to this out the deck as a help. if i'm playing a deck like yours im leveraging its high power to look for ways through the doormaker fight. you also just have a strong deck so you can go in to the fight with high hp
>>738021951It's a 2/3 chance you'll have to fight doormaker so you're kinda retarded for not considering it in your picks from floor 1.
>>738021951>>738022119I will admit that I had a massive brainfart and only remembered my deck would suck when I actually got to him. I guess I was having too much fun cycling through my deck which I'd never done before, not even in 1.
A3 run grinding to A10steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243642218015/76561198045448277
>>738022513Don't let those faggots gaslight you into thinking you were wrong to build a strong deck.
>>738022654no one is saying that, retard
>>738021652how do you guys get your panties so twisted when you lose to one boss. you made a losing deck bro just accept it and don't make that deck next time its not that deep. you don't have to write a manifesto about how the doormaker is actually just badly designed and the whole game needs to be changed so that you never lose.
>>738023051This, except Test Subject should be changed so I never lose to him
>clone Perfect Strike>winthere was no hellraiser, no strategy herehead empty
>>738023051>write a manifesto about how the doormaker is actually just badly designed and the whole game needs to be changed so that you never lose.I said I made a deck that got countered by a boss. It wasn't fun and I might not run it again + wondering about the viability of said deck in relation to the boss. Get over yourself fag.
>>738022513yeah, understandable. just consider it limit-testing and use that knowledge for next time. infinites still work on doorman but they either need to be totally free or positive on energy. a huge number of common infinites fit the bill for that, and his exhaust phase can help decks that are kind of close to infinite get all the way.
>>738021652>he's easy but i gave up vs himboss fights take like five minutes, why do people with the blessing of anonymity feel the need to beg people to not believe that they're not bad at video games?
>>738023336I just cooked a much enjoyable clone deck myself, you see.
hostan!steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243644200280/76561199486452220
>>738023564no you bitched about the game "incentivizing" you to make that deck and not being fun faggot baby bitch boy
Should I climb with Clad? I don't like the character, but some of his cards look fun...
>>738023696Not yet.
>>7380236403/4!
>>738023579Yeah, I considered those replies as advice.>>738023589Can't see commas I take it?>>738023653Ah, changing your tune I see. I accept your concession.
>>738021080you should be in a passenger seat if you are doing this shit
>>738023640I'm always too late :(
Doormaster is the easiest boss. Nobody believes that your complaints about him are anything but your inability to adapt.
>>738023926i hope doormaker gapes your anus in every one of your runs
>>738023589Oops. It wasn't even about the commas. You just have trouble reading in general. Anyway, I'm out. Can't spend an eternity replying to simpletons and duplicitous fags. Take care.
>>738024128You can't gape what's already irreparably loosened. The people here STILL bitching about the boss with the LOWEST kill rate are suffering permanent searing pain and rectal leakage. Like frodo stabbed by the nazgul, they'll never recover.
>>738024140>replying to the same post twiceYikes he really got you. But now you're "leaving" lmao sick last word bro
>>738024140holy pretentious smug redditor facade. everyone can see what you wrote. you can't whine about door maker being poorly designed and pretend like you aren't yet another faggot crying about the factually easiest boss in the game.
>Time Eater>Pauses your turn and gets stronger if you try to go infinite>Goatse>Deletes your cards, full stopMaybe those chinamen were on to something...
i really love this dude
>>738024438>pausesyou can't even use the more accurate but harsher sounding word "ends", christ. reddit spacing is the cherry on top.
>>738024237there is absolutely no way nu-doorman has a lower kill rate than the queenwhatever stat you're quoting has to be including old doorman (who was actually a free win)
>>738023640RIP Connection
>>738023640Rehost!steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243646255899/76561199486452220
host died
>>738024665>whatever stat you're quotingthe devs in the patch notes. Sorry, you're actually, mathematically THAT shit at this game.
are steam lobbies safe? my IP won't get leaked?
>>738023051You are literally arguing that a ton of cards shouldn't even be in the game as they serve no purpose other than to lose you runs.
Will any of my mods break online play?
>>738024973no, but everyone needs the "ignore mod mismatch" mod to make it work
>>738024854don't do it i joined an a10 run and ended up getting trafficked in a crack den
>>738017692Wait a minute, this is not mahjong!
is there some website for mass multiplayer matching? I'm never on time to play with anons here
>>738025467How? Host and wait a bit, you'll find someone
>>738025467host a lobby right now and people will join
>Got an early borrowed time>Got an early dance macabre>Sleepwalk through the easiest win of my lifeUnbalanced
>>738016732yes, roguelike deckbuilds are unsuitable for white people.
>>738025580>>738025586but my internet connection is biaaaaad
Serpent form saved my ass
look at him go
i fill up on block cards, chain weak, have 6 cards per turn and 4 energy, and i still just brick and take 20
>completed A12-A20 watcher without dying even once on my tablet while taking a shit/right before bedThe fact that Scry isn't in the game yet means that there's a 100% chance that watcher will be added to the game, it's just a matter of time. i look forward to playing multiplayer games with dipshits on /v/ who kill themselves with Blasphemy/because they ended their turn in Wrath
>>738026140begone bros... our response?
Just finished A10 with Regent and InquisitorShould I play slay the spire 1?
>>738026384>Inquisitornani
>>738026140Thank you for your service lil guy
IM STRONG
GGs4 Clads is always fun times
postan!steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243650018670/76561199486452220
>>738026420>he didnt get the secret day 1 DLCOhnononono
>>738026673anon its called closed beta for a reason. quit leaking info.
>>738025467The options are basically this, discord, or that one steam group. But the guys on discord and steam mostly play on vc, so I don't like it as much.
>>738026317Our superiority does not require a response
>>738026613>4 clads>everyone want to hunt as many elites as possible>team with 2 or less clads>everyone avoids elites like plague
>pick neows bones>adds strike and defend>stone humidifier>necrofuck me i should just abandon>act 2 forbidden grimoirefuck im so good
randos with no vc sucks and is no fun. wish i could play multi with someone while their cock is in my ass
do you have ascensions for multiplayer seperatly or is it based on your singelplayer As?
>>738028889separate from singleplayer but all your multiplayer characters share the same ascension
yeah baby
GGsThought the run would be doomed (!!!) from the start but it was a good oneDefect sucks
That's probably the most jank necro build I've ever taken, lol. The game gave me Slieght of Flesh and three copies of Misery
>>738026672gg!
>>738028847Emote spamming and conveying things with your mouse movements is peak interactivity.
it's up.https://youtu.be/8zXnLXaxwhc
No patch this week?
>>738032098nope
>>738032098Updates are now every other week.
Killed by a door again
>tell /v/ that A10 Necrobinder is hard>tells me to use Sleight of Flesh>use Sleight of Flesh>win 1st tryOh, ok.
>>738032531Not enough defy
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243659822929/76561198230044444
>>738032632I was also told to take 7 copies of Defy, but only found one. Nearly died to the dog because of it.
"builds are a meme" is a meme
>>7380326752/4
>>7380327763/4
i can't beat a10 without savescumming at least one fight. i've had so many runs where there is just one fight that i lose and then win after a savescum. like dumb nigger bug taking my one damage card and having to savescum and use vuln potion to kill him with with exact damage with fucking strikes.
>balance changes next week>Ironclad>3 cards depreciated >3 new cards added>2 cards reworked>4 cards numbers changed>Silent/Regent>1 card will receive +1/-1 to one number >Necro/Defect>MIA
STS1>STS2
>>738032476When did they announce this? I completely missed it
>>738032980the correct play order
>>7380326753/4
>>738033010Check their twitter(Megacrit). They announced it yesterday
>>738032531sleight of flesh is a silly card and runs with 2+ sleight of flesh are actually babymode. at least it looks like you probably had to use a no escape and end of days to make it through door+test subject with only one sleight of flesh instead of just sleigt of flesh spam.also fight elites retard they're not as scary as you think
>>738033162Sleight of Flesh is so stupidly brokenMeanwhile Silent has to pay 3 for Serpent Form. How the fuck does that make sense
>>738032914>Ironclad>3 cards depreciated >3 new cards added>2 cards reworked>4 cards numbers changedStop, my dick can only get so erect
click every defyclick every sleight of flesh
>all the shitposters contained to the chink threadGenius
>>738032914>Defect>We looked at Electrokinesis again and had a hearty chuckle>Anyway back to Ironclad changes
>>738033094probably a good sign
I have never beaten any of the training dummiesEvery time I get that event I'm on some glacial ramp shit or I just draw nothing but blocks
>>738033835>Playing Necro, Defect, or poison SIlentBruh
>>738033835how the fuck have you ever won a run if you can't ever do 75 damage in 3 turns in act 3
>>738034452He's like me and always picks the 150 HP one since he has potions already so there's no point picking the 75 HP one
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243662549806/76561199214357271come help me climb ascensions in multiplayer. A4 now
>>738034452It's not like I can never do 75 damage in three turns, I just can rarely do 75 damage in the first three turns, and certainly never in any run when I see that event.
>>738034713How are you beating the Act 2 bosses with decks that can't do 75 damage in three turns? Pretty much all of them should kill you for that
>>738034639Type unlock all in console You have done your single player ascensions right?
>>738034814china detected, go cry about doormaker
>>738033162I fight like 5-6 elites on every other character, but I lack confidence on herDidn't have a good setup act 1, act 2 I was afraid of decimilipede and act 3 I was afraid of mecha's artifacts
>>738034814For characters I like, yeah. I'd rather climb legit with anons
>>738034797Usually by blocking and playing powers for the first few turns and then doing damage after
>>738033257It's a rework of the original wraith form that did like 5 damage when you played a skillAlthough sleight of flesh is also just 2 sadistic natures stapled together so
>>738034852我草你妈个屄的
Name one bad Tanx relic
>>738035171Maul is pretty bad, can't see a good usecase for suddenly pivoting out of everything you were doing for 2 acts
>>738035284Maul saved my ass when I had a really slow deck the other day with no scalingWorst case scenario you can just remove all your remaining strikes and defends for it
>>738035284if you have some strength and leftover strikes it's great, but you're right that it's one of his more niche picks
>>738035284Any deck with low damage and good block can make great use of Mauls. (This is like every Silent deck that doesn't have a good damage solution since the character is strong enough to effectively never lose in Act 2).
>>738035284>Ironclad>Start with random rare card>Get ROCKS>Get a lot of shit card offers and can't really put a deck together, so just beating every encounter with 25 damage rocks and some defense>Get to act 3>Replace Primal Fury and Strikes with Maul>Now I have rapid scaling and defenseThat was an A10 win.
>>738032531I don't like that the necro cards have tranny colors.Or maybe that's an allegory...
well that run felt cursed, wanna do another one?
>>738035284The maul transforms maintain upgrades/enchants im pretty sure, it's pretty good if you can take advantage of that
>>738034639>Bundle of joy>Bundle of joy>Rough doughIts time to stop
>>738032675Good try lads. Not much good AOE for the millipede. The Voltaic in the back pocket was funny though. I got offered Squeeze off the Neow rare so I tried building around that. It felt pretty rough and I didn't find card draw to make combo turns easier.>>738035568sure
>>738024973>>738025160I have the anant anime mods and I can't get both his Silent and Regent to work together. The json file only list one and when I try to add the other they stop working. You guys know any fixes?
>>738035701steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243664220557/76561198230044444slay the spire: revenge edition
>>7380357963/4
>>7380357964/4 waiting on host?
>>738035723Make a copy of the mod manifest, name it something else, open it in notepad and replace everything in it that was pointing to the original files to the other skinDon't know if it will actually work but this kind of thing is just for the game to recognize it and you can't list multiple values for the same object in JS so it needs its own file
A win is a win but The Brightest Flame is so overpowered that I didn't feel like I slayed the spire when I hologram it three times on the same turn during the act 3 bosses.
>>738035723>>738036176It's easier just to put each mod into its own folder in your mod folder.StS2 recognizes them each as different mods even if their files are the same name.
>>738036190Same but instead of Brightest Flame it's playing Silent in general
>>738036190Would Brightest flame be balanced if it cost 5 max hp, or would that be too much? Maybe 3?
Can you lower your max hp to 0 and kill yourself with brightest flame?
>>738036604>5That's unpickably insane. Even 2 is a massive increase, but still within reason.
Ironchad, I kneel
>>7380366041 is a bit low, 2 is a bit high. Overall I'm okay with some relics being kind of stronger than others. For example clone is sometimes worthless but sometimes trivializes the run, which is fun.
I am finished with dinner. You may now host.
>>738036604The fact that I could play the brigest flame, draw an hologram, get it back, get the brightest flame, play it again, play my whole hand, draw a bunch of cards in the meantime into another hologram, get the brightest flame again... etc, all in a single turn was just fucking turbo nuts. Card is already strong once a turn but this felt gamebreaking.
>>738036917Yeah, but Hologram is unironically one of the best cards in the game.
>drew 3 dazed and 2 draw cards on Door's no draw phaselol
GG guysHammer time!Nice carry in Act 2
>>738037389Careful buddy, sounding awfully close to Chinese with that comment
>>738036884ksteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243666638905/76561199498658249
This can't be right, I doubt I dealt the most damage. Although putting corrupted on one of the kingly cards was cool. Hosting another because why not?steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243666639632/76561199214357271
>>738034639gg that run was stupid as fuck>double Unmovable>Barricade>Tank>mfw tanking 50+ damage per turn
>>738037605never mind, moving here >>738037598
>>738036625No you can never lower your max hp below 1.
Is Shining Strike a honeypot?
>>738032531Debuffs are broken right now, Slight of Flesh is Necro's way to abuse them.
>>738038128it's a mediocre card if that's what you mean
>>738035003Yeah but SAAADISTIC was>a rare>a neutralSleight of overpoweredness is an uncommon on the class with so many debuffs it's not even funny.
>>738034452A lot of builds revolve around turtling and scaling. Stacking strength, doom, poison, lightning, darkness, stars, bonk. I find most of my runs involve exponential scaling. No escape turns 10 doom into 25 into 45 into 75 but it takes a few turns to get there. Or it takes a few turns to get all my powers played and exhaust some stuff or create some stuff. I might not kill the weak dummy in 3 turns but I can kill the whole ass boss in 6.
>>738035284Conversely, if you somehow struggle bused your way to Act 3 and desperately need scaling damage, it solves the game for you.
this game is actually so much more fun with the shop remove cost nerfed. i love actually buying stuff in the shop now and having to think about what to buy and ending up with bigger cooler decks.
>>738038128It's okay... early in act 1. If you were going to otherwise skip the card reward. Then it feels unnecessary or bad later on. I would never take it post Act 1.
>>738038263if your deck only has slow boss scaling idk how you are not dying instantly in every hallway. if you can't beat the weak dummy how did you get past the act 3 cultist? just tank a billion?
Finding out the easiest way to achieve wins is by "pick these cards that are good" and "ignore these cards that are bad" has significantly lowered my enjoyment of the game
>>738038469But why think about what to buy when you can just buy all of it.
>>738038634Play on A8 and click whatever the fuck you want, and still win
>cockslapping the queen with the sovereign blade for more than her total health barWas worth stalling the fight to do 1500 damage with a single attack. I wish blade was more usable, as is I can only justify doing these silly builds around forge if the star's align and allow me to accrue forge cards without making hallway fights a bitch
>>738038816Realistically you need only like 2 or 3 forge cards to make blade usable. The issue is that most forge cards are dogshit.
>>738038862Yeah but there's no real way to know which ones are best until you use them. At least for me, cause I don't watch tier list videos and can't eyeball a card's maximum utility just from its text. I learn by using cards. So it took me a lot of experimentation to realize that most of the forge cards aren't worth taking even if you're doing a forge deck.
There's about a 50% chance that the game will crash if I press this again.
>>738038604Just block.
>>738039004It crashed twice but I got a big number out of it.
What do you mean connection timed out?
G fucking GThat last Voltaic was orgasmic
Rehoststeam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243669333091/76561199498658249
>>738035796GGs guys. One of the weirdest Defect runs I've had. It was just play (2) Echo Forms as fast as possible and just coast off of that. Nothing but block, draw and energy. Ended up playing Volatic 3 times in a turn on Test.Zap was my only lightning orb generation btw.>>738039459Can't believe it became my win condition with only zap. I guess Echo Form scales it really fast though.
Got shivs GG
GG, 2 Silents on a team is a little too much for bosses. I managed to pull off the Decisions, Decisions into the Smith combo, but the enemy was already dead lol.
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243669761458/76561199214357271hostan one more
>>738039765wpalso had a voltaic thing going but echo form never showed up
>>738039765Yeah thank god for that because you guys never waited for my Flanking to go off kekAlso Vakuu earrings + Gambling chip + Silent innates led to some brainwork to have good first turns kek
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243670015141/76561197997192985i better not pick random and get regent
>>738040049can you see the royal aura
how much is too much?
>>738040252Add the boss relic option from sts1 and then we can talk.
Imbued is so broken, imagine if you could put it on 4 cardsnow imagine you could put it on 8 cards
>>738040252It's good, keeps starts fresh
>>738039918I probably stole yours lol. Got it really early in a card reward.>>738040007Was wondering why the Silent Vakuu turn happened really late. That’s a pretty cool interaction. Yeah, I couldn’t really use Flanking well, except when I had Sovereign Blade from our Regent.(Echo Form Sovereign Blade is kinda sick. Thanks Regent.)
>>738040252They just need to starting lifting some of the weaker ones up. That's plenty, though.
did they piss off the chinese or something?
>>738040793wrong thread.>>738031341
>>738016732Why are the bug "people" so retarded?
what am i cloning here
>>738041089Decisions will break the game, bruv
>>738016732Doormaker's design for his 2nd/3rd Phase is honestly pretty shit but his actual numbers are so garbage in comparison to Lizard/Queen that he's the easiest out of the three
>>738041089decisions, then upgrade your gamble so it retains to line up with it easiersecond decisions is for terraformingdont really see a use for a third though.
>Ascender's Bane keeps cockblocking Unceasing Top when I have 4+ energy.So mega gay.
GGs. One of my suckiest Ironclad runsThat forge Regent was going hard.
>>738042697ggthe smith x2+ made it possible
im 1 away from multiplayer a10steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243674626203/76561198006368528
>>7380430692/4
I didn't even get to play my big swordGG
>>7380430693/4
GGSnecko Fiddle with Ice Lance Sunder for the win
>>738043157such is the tale of potential manBut I will tell you chunking for 600 feels quite nice
Darv as the act 2 ancient is so comfy.
>>738043265Did my Hammer time at least help?
>>738043398quite a lot
>>738043069ack
>>738043069scaling never arrived for me
>>738044636Got caped when my Quasar was stolen
>>738043069>>738044636yeah, was just praying for hello world/call of the void to give me good cards the whole time. looking through my run history, my card rewards were all ass and i'm doubtful i would've arranged something that worked by the time we reached boss
>streamer: huh i removed every starter card but this run still almost died to one boss how could this be>33 card deck>necro so deck is mostly powers and skills>plays 3-cost and 2-cost powers with no 4th energy>only a couple viable damage cards in there for phase 1 test subjecthuh yeah couldn't have seen how that one could have low rolled and led to face tanking 40. sometimes i wonder if streamers are retarded
next trysteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243677853533/76561198230044444
>>738044797jorbs?
hostan!steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243677936323/76561199486452220
>see top players play thin decks>try it myself>can't get enough damage or block because damage is like one main card and block is whateverI don't get it. It's like they're in another world.
>>738044953Choose better cards. Thats when having a max deck of 20 shine
>>738044983I've seen the tier lists, but I don't understand how you can turn a card like Kingly Kick which only does 27 damage at base and 35 upgraded into killing bosses/elites with hundreds of hp within less than ten turns. It's incomprehensible to me.
fr test subject phase 1 is the scariest thing for me as necro. so hard to consistently get through that.
How good is cloned discovery+ at winning runs? i don't have an autowin clone target in the deck, but i could do that
Doormaker needs to stop goatseing me
>>738045090You don't seem to understand that Kick is for kicking the hell out of Byrdonis and the act 1 boss especially when regent has vuln for zero cost.
>>738045398Ok, I'm understanding better now, but now what do you do in Act 2 if it's mainly an Act 1 card?
>echo form>creative AI>subroutine>all at the start of act 1>>>my team does picreli get the perfect power spam setup but i dont even get time to ramp...
>>738046510nvm i was useful in the endggs
ggthe key to a good offense is positional advantage
>>738046510gg, regent here.Sorry about dying at the end, but I almost didn't draw any block card after the first turn, and the ones I finally got to pick were all chained...
>>738046510Ah yes, the good 'ol "I have a busted build in multiplayer, but I'm not the only one so I never actually get a chance to do my thing before the other players shred all the enemies" suffering-from-success problemI can definitely relate
>>738044830>>738046510GGs, that was some good Flanking shit fellow SilentMy contribution to the first two acts was pure RNG with Discovery and Splash until I started to get the Shiv build working by act 3
hosting betasteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243681753220/76561198012828222
hostan, come in heresteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243682360334/76561198313476004
>>738047176i could join in like 10 minutes if it isnt full by then
>>7380471763/4
>Two creative ais with two subroutinesI'm sorry you had to sit through that anons
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243683285185/76561198230044444coop card game action
I think its weird how the final bosses are direct counters to every build except power card creation. Creative AI just bypasses every mechanic.
>>738047686if you can survive long enough to get creative ai going you would also most likely get any other countered build over the line
>>738047686You're right, they should make Test Subject even stronger and have him scale with powers used
>>7380476783/4
>>738047686>power card creationall power cards and all card creation is just goodpower cards are supposed to be balanced by being hard/inconsistent to play by costing tons of energy or bottom decking instead of being blocked by any specific mechanic.card creation just has almost no downsides aside from low roll potential.
>multiplayer state divergenceNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOST PLEASE
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243685388710/76561197997192985lobby time
>>738048841Host can you remake?
>>738048869steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243685392077/76561198012828222here's the rehost, got disconnected
>>738048869I'm not the host, I was the ungatard Ironchad who started humidifier just for the hell of it and somehow kept winning except for that one time worst act 2 boss killed me
Unga WINS yet again
>>738048890GGs!Was confused because I totally forgot it wasn't A10.
>>738048890GG guys, I wasn't too useful but you guys did great>>738049129based unga
>>738049153>it wasn't A10.NOW IT ISsteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243685929557/76561198043831607
>>738049180It's amazing how far you can get with all 6 strikes, Anger, Rage+, Pommel Strike, and eventually some of that good vuln and strength gain
I fucking hate sword boomerang, bring back heavy blade
Finally started the climb with Clad. Check this out:>2x Feel no pain>Juggernaut>Stoke>Dark embraceComedy gold
Anyways whilst we wait for the reconnect>mfw Nostalgia Mangle
ironclad bro, please rejoin.Don't make us drop the run!!!!
Defect here, I have the most mediocre orb build known to man. I don't really feel like I'm doing anything.
Should I just save and quit the run and then rehost?
>>738049716Sure
regent here.I was going for a start build, but then I got the transform minion cards and managed to make 1/3 of a build into an oversized deck...>>738049716Yeah, he's not going back...
>>738049716alright, here it issteam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243686897380/76561198313476004
>>738049760This damn bratty regent...Gonna... correction!!!
>>738049760what an abomination
is it just me or does it feel like ironclad gets higher chance to get potions
>>738049760BABY SHARK
>>738017421>Upset that people are talking video games>on /vpol/Shut the fuck up, retard.
>>738049793gg, the Neow Mangle pickup into first shop Nostalgia was stupid
>>738049760>Nexus HATES her. This loli bitch is stacking stars and forging blades, and basically, YOU'RE STUPID
>>738049793Sorry, I did get kicked out during the mech elite fight but I thought everyone gets kicked when one person does. (And then the captcha timer made me wait).Anyways, DarkEmbrace+Anger is an infinite against Hunger Doormaker apparently. My exhaust pile had 68 cards.>>738050351huh, no wonder it kept being played. That was a pretty sick combo. I was self dmg with few blocks and the mangle saved so much HP.
>>738050472gghad to fire my roided up stardust a bit early but at least it also served a purpose
>>738047686Don't forget there's eventually going to be an alternate act 3 with another set of 3 bosses. Plus whatever nonsense they have planned for act 4.Maybe one of those future bosses will have an effect that fucks over card generation.
>>738020394>>738017474What's your response when someone isn't reactionary to your retarded gotcha?I don't play gacha shit. I don't consider those games. Or VNs either. That's just a picture book (usually of low quality with some porn thrown in)I played Conquest of Elysium today, and I'll do some melee tomorrow with a friend if we can get our schedules free after going to a community event that I won't name to avoid dox myself.Your move poster that refuses to ever check /vg/. You realize people will talk about the game for a much longer time if you just used the correct board, right? Instead this will just be a /v/ fotm thread until the silent gooners find another "waifu" to lust after
>>738049760So this https://files.catbox.moe/9do60a.rar is is the last version I managed to save- it looks basically finished- and yet it'll be a sad day when something breaks it.
Here's hoping I get to actually do damage this time.steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243689322728/76561198313476004
>>7380510682/4
i love this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe
>>738050621you cant even decide what to get mad about
>>7380511513/4
>1 fisticuffs is enough to handle all of Ironchad's defensive needsThey really need to add a str scaling def to his cardpool. Also Rampage is pretty nice to have early game with shears.
>>738051068do we wait another minute or two or just go with 3 people right now?
would you like more comprehensive post-game stats, especially in multiplayer? I
>>738051356Let's go I'm getting sleepy and it's americlap bedtime right now
>>738049194GGs! That run was ridiculous.
>>738051428I think that'd be a lot of fun.
GG, my build was fun and double knockdown was worthwhile
Supermassive does not do as much damage as you think it does. Unironically double Parry with duped blade (thanks Heirloom Hammer) with Void Form had way more value, even after I put Retain on Supermassive. Also thanks philosophers event because Buffer gives me free breathing turn or two to use Void Form safely when I draw it. Shout outs to Glimmer to toss Void Form back to draw pile on a turn when I draw it but I don't have the energy to play it. Pretty high block thanks to double Pillar of Creation and double Child of the Stars and Crash Landing and Cloak Clasp. Thanks Bag of Prep to help me shrug off Folly. Even the humble unupgraded Boot Sequence can save a bad first turn draw.>>738049314I feel ya man, especially now that Ironchad has more ways to energy cheat like Stampede or Cascade>>738051516I couldn't do much but sit there and null most damage as "card creation" Regent
>>738023336don't let the chinks learn this strategy
ggit was worth a shot, but man, damage was just nonexistent
>>738051068Fuck intangibility.
>>738051068ggs, if we survived just one more turn we had it in the bag.
>>738051664I think the only good uncommon damage scaling card is Ashen Strike. Everything else is extremely underwhelming and takes forever to reach like non-laughable damage.
>>738016732Just make a seperate game for chinkoids at this point. A version where every enemy tickles you for 1-3 damage and can go infinite with the starter deck
Is it just me or does the beta branch run like ass rn?
Stampede is underrated, just get expensive attacks and play them for free. Lol.
What does Nexusmods even do
>>738053884Gang up is uncommon and if you have someone with good multihit like conflagration, stardust or tear asunder it can deal insane damage
>>738053932Everyone I've seen ranks stampede as shit so it must be terrible even if I like it.
>>738055965>requires upgrade to not be shit>requires to add expensive attacks into your deck>can’t control what it will play(unless you play everything but one attack)>cant control who it will attack No wonder it’s bad
>>738016732>on Act 3>have Bing Bong>get Darv>options are Cage (remove 2 cards), a book relic that lets you remove 1 card per combat>select Astrolobe>Transform a Defend, and 2 Injury curses>acquire 2 Pull From Below+, 2 Decay, 2 Bad Luck because apparently transmuting a Curse will give you a different Curse10/10 game
GREETINGS 4CHANI AM THE KING OF SPACE
the impossible choice
>>738056990Creative AI can make anything.It could even make Echo Form or Defragment!
>>738056990Only defrag and Echo form on this screen.Since I read left to right, I click defrag.
the impossible choice 2: revengeance
>>738056990Easy defrag choice, if you know you know.
>barricade>second Tear Asunderor>Juggernaut
>>738057552also first time this nigger demon dealt 0 damage to me
It feels so much harder to get gold in 2 compared to 1. I'm never excited for shops anymore.
>>738056242I made it. Thank god for Entropy.
>playing Defect>Ice build>"choose any cards from 15 Ironclad cards">one of them is Juggernaut
>>738057657skip
>>738058615I skipped>Chinks are crying about Doornigger
>>738057657hope you chose Juggernaut. Your damage is too low, I think.
>>738058703> Your damage is too lowI had Rupture+ with Tear Asunder, then got jeweled mask and second Rupture+, Literally one shot the queen
I'm so tired of enemies in ? rooms.
fuck me RIP
damn I'm good>11 multiplayer games>3 normal gamesOh
I got forced into neow's fury at the start, and I gotta say, it's just as garbage as I imagined it would be.
>>738049760>>738050906here's their twitter https://x.com/shirayoikaguya
>>738059039powers are dishonest, so serves you right
Will Megacrit eventually cave and pander harder to the Chinese player base just to save their steam rating? Do they even care about ratings at this point?
>>738056214>unless you play everything but one attackThat part's generally not hard
>>738059270I'd rather Slay the Spire 2 review bomb promoted Volvo to by default not to display Chinese review outside China for all games, so>German steam user opens Slay the Spire 2 page>sees Very positive(because that's average of Non-chink users)>needs to go into setting to manually turn on viewing Chinese view to see Mostly Negative
>Obtain a 0 cost card>Gives me bullshit with a star costGay event.
>>738059420>10 0 costs with star cost>7 0 cost without star costHMMMMMMMM I wonder why it game you card with star cost
>>738059420>He doesn't passively generate 15 stars per turn
>>738059519You've missed the point. The star cost ones shouldn't even been an option. If they want to be consistent, they should have added the energy icon OR when star cards are made 0 cost, they should retain their star cost.
>>738059552Oh buddy, I'm about to.
> I’d give it but the Architect nabbed it from me!!>Maybe the Architect knows somethin’.So Darv has>Ironclad's sword>Defects Friend's "something">a present for Regent>Necro bookin Ironclad's and Regent's case he implies that we can get it from Architect.For me it sounds like we will have Dusty Tome-like reward in act 4 too
>keep hearing Silent is OP>play Silent, lose every time>play other characters, win easily
>>738060107Are you building with sly in mind?
Where did you come from? What are you after?
>>738059629>OR when star cards are made 0 cost, they should retain their star cost.They changed this in a later patch
>>738060086So Iron gets a new blade with every climb?
>>738060813No, Darv has Ironclads big sword from first game and Ironclad has shitty replacement
>>738060928The three og chars being nerfed does make sense.
Am I allowed to talk about sts1 in these threads? too bad I'm gonna ask anyway. I wanted to play through it before grabbing the sequel because I've never played it before but getting past A8 is a nightmare, I can't believe there's 12 more of these spikes. I feel like I'm still fatally misunderstanding something about how the game works. I'm just chaining Ironclad runs because it feels like that's how you learn the game but am I meant to swap between characters more?>t. retard
>>738061095You’re meant to learn what tools characters have to beat spire. Also relics are OP in first game while cards are op in second
>>738060982Architect should be stronger than Heart, so unless “true” ending is 4 player coop win us being weaker makes no sense
>>738016732>slay the spire 2>literally the same game as beforeget milked retards
>>738061456>Architect should be stronger than HeartHe absolutely should not be you fun hating grognard wanker.
>>73806232020 euros for 3 reworked characters + 2 new + new enemies is a good deal
>>738063121the dev decided they needed to get some more money and the best way is to force all their loyal players to paypig again or they are living in the past playing an old gameits called a cashgrab, anon, and your cash got grabbed
>>738063527Nobody likes you and it's all your fault.
How do I play Regent? I hear Colourless card focus is strong now but you can't just ignore star generation at higher ascensions.
>Ecelebs releasing new tier lists after the best Spire 1 player starts to put out his card evaluations and tier lists>Mfw a lot of my own takes are similar to that best player dudeThis is why YouTubers are trashy. They're always starving for clicks and will walk back on everything once the leader of the herd starts to give his input.>>738063684Bro just upgrade your Venerate and pick up an all-rounder star generation that has good general utility like Glow and Convergence.
As i was spamming random a10s i realised i havent played multiplayer in quite a while. Hostin EU US bros welcome any ascention welcome steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243716371758/76561198047008744
>>7380639352/4 i ll only start it at 4/4 join up you goobers
>Another doornigger fightFUCK YOU I FUCKING HATE YOU
I am absolutely loving buffed soup. Strike gaming is the best kind of gaming.
>>738063891I know which one you're talking aboutso fucking shamless lol
>>738065640You skipped the best bit of crash landing going from F to S tier after streamer overlord decreed so
>>738065640The thing I hate about this dude is that a lot of the good cards on characters like Clad and Regent (Unmovable, Blood Wall, Inferno, Pillar, the creation/transform cards) have always been good since launch. The only glaringly bad card that were buffed to being useable / great was Bundle of Joy. The only "issue" was that the devs had a loophole in terms of the numerical value and effects of certain cards (for example Aligment - Glow loop) which allowed for inifnite cheese. So that's why the cards that have always been good since the start gets noticed more now amongst the types of players who only play "consistent stratgies to win" like this moron. So his initial tier lists were very bad regardless and shows that he has very little insight into the game despite being a "top player". He used to say that Shrug It Off was a serviceable card in Act 1 only. That's just a fucking dogshit take lmao.
>>738051212So you'll just ignore it and call my angry, got it.
>>738065743The Crash Landing thing is funny as hell. In what world is 1 energy deal 21 AoE in F tier. Most hallways and AoE Elites basically ends after you play such a card. The "downside" barely exists, even if you don't have Pillar to turn it into an upside.
>>738063935ggknockdown+ good, strength good
>>738065640This guy used to have a semi-correct input on Charge regarding the risk of it bottom-decking, but now he has completely walked back on that as well even though that is actually a valid concern on the card that Xecnar brushed off. Pathetic.
>>738063935Gggot tools of the trade with ricochet and triple dominate
>lose run>have no idea what I could have done differentlyFucking hell, how do I improve then?
>>738065743>Bulwark - B to S>Spectrum - C to S>Crash Landing - D to SWhat a fucking joke>>738065939Yes. and at least he can be a little bit honest about that.>"hey, launch patch is all about infinite so I rated these cards low because it doesn't contribute to the loop. now that infinite is nerfed, these cards actually going up"he, instead, choose to>"after the buffs these cards are much better. look at the crash landing dude, it's so much better now because arsenal can make it give 8 str"when in reality, while crash landing + arsenal is great, it's more about pillar of creation and hallway fight. you would pick crash landing early even without arsenal because it's so much damage for so little energy.hell, you would probably want to pick it even if you trying to go infinite because it only it's so efficient at solving hallways in 1 card. you can be much more picky about your card pick without dying if you have crash landing, just don't play it after you get infinite.
>>738060107>frogposter>bad at the bideojameMany such cases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xOLRQqcZRY>Silent, Act 3 build
>Start necro run with an end of days>Pick up normal doom cards (no escape, pulse, the power that gives you block etc)>Path to first elite (guaranteed elite everywhere)>Have a beetle potion>be at half hp>Die to the elite anywayMan I kinda fucking hate how weak this bitch is in act one.
Necro needs big giant titties
>>738058984Your juzu bracelet, sir?
>>738066345Arsenal isn't even a core card in creation build, it's just a really-nice-to-have. This guy is clearly apeing takes from other people instead of truthfully sharing his own take.
>>738062320sts1 defect wishes he could have as many viable builds as sts2 defectOr viable builds at all
>>738066449End of Days doesn't really help you VS single target elites. It's actually more of a detriment.Terror eel or the statue will fuck you up SO bad if you don't have something else for them.
>>738066793And what was I supposed to pick for them lol, I got birdonis. Idk it just feels sometimes like Necro is just doomed from the getgo no matter what you do.
>Acro nerfed to uncommon so that we'll see less of it>got offered acro three times in a rowI probably shouldn't mindlessly take the 3rd acro in the first act
>>738067161flick that flack
>breeze through acensions>get to a9 on necro >eat shit to the docks and soul fysh on repeat>get raped and gaped by hunter killer the one time I get to act 2The numbers changes aren’t even that bad I don’t know what happened
Am I crazy or Colossus is a bit overrated? It has an insane effect but you can't guarantee Vulnerable is always on the enemy, and you need Thundercap in AoE fights for it to work on all targets. If Break was innate like Suppress then I'd understand all the praise for Colossus but it's still a draw order dependent card at the end of the day.
>>738067332Against an act 2/3 boss I always have vulnerability applied and then it blocks for 30 for 1 energy. Otherwise it's just a defend.
>>738067332It’s just a really efficient and broadly useful 1 cost defensive card that synergises with one of his strongest builds
>>738067332Most fights don't need more than a Bash and a Tremble, Tremble exhausts so it doesn't continue shitting up your deck when you don't need it, you can draw any block card in the wrong order so that's an unavoidable factor.
>>738066449Pure Doom isn't very good even with a ton of Block, and Shroud is one of the weakest Block Powers in the game sadly. You either use Doom as a supplementary damage source or have to have Sleigh of Flesh, preferrably with x2 effect somehow (Glam, Transfigure, or just more than 1 copy). Since it goes off at the end of the turn and Countdown is single-target unlike Fumes, you can't play it the same way as Poison without the Sigil relic, and even with that relic you still need to block half the damage on the enemy's last turn anyways.
>>738067332Colossus should be made into power
>>738067074If you already have End of Days and No Escape, you actually don't want much more doom cards. All you need is, more No Escape and survivalbility.a lot of Defy, a lot of Enfeebling, a Bone Shard, maybe a Countdown because you're going to drag fights quite long, maybe a death bringer because it's AoE weak and a lot of base doom to help End of Days clear hallway. (no escape suck in most hallway)Shroud is kinda ass. Look for Spirit of Ash to work with Defys and Enfeeblings to block instead.Pagestorm will let you cycle to No Escape again really quick if you got enough Defy and Enfeebling.If you don't get enough No Escape to doom, you can pivot to Sleight of Flesh for deck instead because it have similair deck skeleton.
This start is insane, I killed 4 elites, my deck is fucking balling out of control AND I got goopy defends
>>738067624Hunter Killer Curse be upon ye
Do you guys ever take a path that has fucking nothing on it but question marks if every other path has back to back unavoidable elites or would it just be delaying the inevitable
>>738067332>you can't guarantee Vulnerable is always on the enemyYou should make your deck able to if you're offered colossus. The effect is so damn strong that it's worth to guarantee that it work.
>>738067589What's a good doom deck without No Escape? Lethality blight strike / reaper form ethereal attacks or what applies enough doom to be viable?
>>738016732Yes. Most phone games aren't suitable for the worst because they don't have the bugman mentality
>>738067858Reaper Form is annoying to actually play a lot of the time but its a decent pivot option. Can be busted with Slight of Flesh sometimes.
Why cant they make any reasonable way to upgrade sovereign blade within regent's own deck if they refuse to let you smith it at rest sitesThey could at least let the literal Smith card upgrade the blade
>>738067858If you can play Reaper Form reliably (via jeweled mask or slither enhancement), then yes.The most practical 'doom' deck outside of No Escape (and Time's up), however, is probably Oblivion + Slight of Flesh.
>>738067781Yeah. Question marks have been good to me.
Can’t wait for them to delete armaments and create new character that will have card archetype around upgrading cards
>>738067576that would be insanely broken
>have a really cool ethereal/defensive deck with caltrops and double necrosummon powers that exceeds at dragging out fights with lots of block and making the enemy hit themselves while I stack up pull from belows>lawl doormanI truly despise this fucking boss like nothing else in this fucking game. 3 potions, full hp and I barely scraped by on 1 hp, and doesnt fucking matter cause Im going up against fucking test subject, again. Im so tired of this fucking piece of shit ruining the game.
>>738067697He has accuracy and pinpoint and goopy defends. He's gonna make hunter killer his bitch.
>>738068119because he's not supposed to be able to do it. if he gets access to upgraded blade then it will need to be nerfed to 2 energy cost
>>738068851chinese mandibles typed this post
>>738068660Armaments is so much better in sts2 than 1 just because resting is better.
>>738069037>you vill play ze game in only one specific way and you vill LIKE IT!>how dare you try to do anything outside of a specific deckbuilding method. Get consistent big attacks or perish before the doorman.
>>738068837Yes, tracking is broken, we know
>>738069302anon beat the doormans though
>>738069414Tracking is just a win more card. It's not even good unless you are already doing well. Colossus as a power would be a 100% pick that solves blocking on every ironclad run.
>>738069423And then I died to test subject because doorman did 89 damage to me that fight lmao.
>>738067074we'd have to see all the cards offered to you and also probably your path choice and maybe even neow bonusno escape and end of days actually shouldn't be that badend of days > no escape > end of days/no escape kills him in the second deck cycle if you face tank a hit and get this draw orderif you draw no escape before all your other doom cards its a little rougher but you should still be able to chip in with other damageif this is a floor 7 elite and you have no damage besides one no escape, negative pulse, and end of days, then this is your fault for going to floor 7 elite
>>738064702I got it with All For One when I was already going zero costs and had a Kunai.Then I got Doornigger and died.
>>738069302>>738068851Doormaker is piss easy. the other 2 bosses are harder. skill issue, get good, etc.
>>738068851Drawing your ethereal card during the exhaust phase is the fucking worstI don't care that it's the easiest boss, he single-handedly kills a whole bunch of fun strategies>>738069037I fully stand with the ChineseHow many strategies does a boss need to invalidate before the devs change something?
>>738067268All you need to know is most people in these threads lie about their records.
>>738069664Kek are you here 24/7? You refuse to upload your own run history still and cope when other people prove they are better than you.
Remove that shitty retain for 2 turns potion and replace it with a potion that removes ethereal on a card and gives it retain.
>>738068985That's just fucking ridiculous, upgraded blade is what practically makes it viable, like it was designed to be 1 cost and then bumped to 2 for no real fucking reasonYou know the smaller forge values on release were designed around regent's capability to keep bouncing blade back to his hand/draw pile and force a draw
>>738069620If the other two bosses are harder why does no one complain about them?
>>738069724I offer a trade. You get armaments. Ironclad gets Tyranny.
>>738067624>>738067697I won in act 2, this was quite strong
>>738069723>spectrail knight>retain etherealI guess fuck the whole archetype is a good encounter
>>738069780Recency bias and a vocal minority that can't adapt. Statistically doormaker is the easiest boss and his damage output is often lower than most of the act 2 elites. You just didn't plan on fighting him and need to get good. You had all of act 3 to prepare once you saw him on the map. And really all of your run since you know its a 2/3 chance you fight him on a10. But you went up to him with your pants down.
>>738067858hes kinda wrong. negative pulse is still a good doom card and having one or two is good. good for aoe fights to put guys in end of days range and good for bosses to speed the fight up if no escape is your boss damage solve.
>>738069780>>738069620Anon doesnt understand its not an issue of difficulty. no one cares that the doormaker is the easiest boss, hes the most fucking annoying to face because he destroys 90% of the fucking deckbuilding options in this game and forces you to build the same fucking strategy every time.
>>738069723Retain potion is amazing why would you remove it? It pretty much solves doornigger fight.
>>738069803I'm perfectly fine with that, regent already has other fine forms of deck control that he can live with, armaments on regent would become an instapick on all forge builds
>>738069927What the fuck are you talking about? How does he force you into one strategy? Is having block cards in your deck forcing one strategy?You know what forces one strategy? Fucking Test Subject phase two
>>738069927It's a fun fight. You simply refuse to adapt to change and get good. Instead you choose to piss and cry hoping that they will change him instead of you needing to learn something. He honestly just needs to do a little more damage and he's perfect.
>>738069992Aggression fits pretty well with regent too. It would fish back sovereign blade and upgrade it. Definitely try for ironclad when you get colorful philosopher.
>>738070036>>738070035>The semen slurper boss fight defenders log onYumyum here's another bowl of slop
>>738068851your deck sucks and was just too slow to have the output needed for the bosses. this isn't a doormaker issue. you gonna stall out test subject on 3 energy per turn with no damage cards?
>>738070131No argument besides "waaaahhhhh pls nerf the easiest boss cause I suck"
>>738069927doormaker invalidates only a very small number of decks. his damage and hp are too low for his mechanics to make that much a difference. he used to have like 700 hp minimum because he'd start out in the closed door form and if he closed it on you hed have like 900 hp total. now hes just 512 hp and his damage output isn't that high on average either.your deck wasn't countered by his mechanics. its just ass.
>>738070035>How does he force you into one strategy?Doormaker doesnt allow>Decks that focus on cycling or draw>Decks that play repeated powerful cards>Decks that play multiple powerful cards>Decks that focus on accumulated value with high defense >Decks that are even the slightest bit inconsistent >Decks that dont get a bajillion extra cards out of their assAnd the list goes on thats just the decks I could think of rn.Fact of the matter is you guys just defend this fucking boss because you got it in your head that beating him is some sort of "Skill issue" When hes just an annoying cancer that actively ruins the game by preventing you from experimenting and building interesting decks.
Ok but when are they nerfing the fucking hard pool fights
>>738070036>It's a fun fightSay that again after making it to A9+ act 3 with a claw, ethereal, big attack, osty stacking, etc. buildIt's so fun filling your deck with unwanted cards just because one boss is horribly designed
>>738070430kek what? Claw deck absolutely rapes doornigger. You are just proving you don't know how to play. Feral with 0 costs completely circumvents all 3 of his debuffs.
>>738070552>36 cards deck>5 claws
>>738070613>ok but that run doesn't countkek. feral completely destroys doornigger.
Underdocks hallway fights on Defect are eating my ass on A9. I need an Overgrowth start to make it through this shit what the fuck
>>738070430My greatest complaint about doornigger is how his fucking increased costs dont count towards regent's orbit jesus fuck himThis is like running shivs against the time eater, except nearly every build is shivs against him
bro picked necro mastery TWICE and thinks its the games fault his deck loses to the bosses
>>738070662Hailstorm is a good pick for underdocks. Falls off later but I started taking it after seeing Xecnar rate it highly and it does consistently good work against phantasmal gardeners and skulking colony. It lets you focus on blocking in act 1 while having a single frost generates 6 aoe damage every turn.
If the awakened one was designed like doormaker:>You cant play powers>after the boss dies once and comes back, every third card you play gets transformed into another power And anons would still be like "lawl dude just never pick powers why are you building a powers deck you know you got a 2/3 chance of facing that at the end of every run right lololol"
this game really need a long format run summary that shows all the rewards and skipped rewards per floor so we can actually see how retarded people are. the current win screens are so useless.
>>738070681If Doorkeeper increased card costs you wouldn't be able to spam zero costs on that turn. Which is funny because zero cost spam decks are shit against Doormaker anyway because recursion decks eat shit to his exhaust phase.
>>738070745>just get an uncommonokI'm in an Overgrowth run right now and I'm breezing through it. Overgrowth hallways are so much easier than Underdocks hallways
>>738070681I'll add that with time eater you at least have agency with how you interact with its mechanicWith Doormaker it's just>Can I afford to exhaust this card?>Hope my phase 2 hand doesn't suck
>>738070684Mastery literally stacks though.
One A7 game before I start work?steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775243734081699/76561199214357271
>>738070815>just bitch instead of getting goodSounds like you are just shit at the game. I don't have any difference in win rate between them.
>>738070936Your advice was fucking stupid I don't know why you would respond to me with that in the first place
>>7380708090 cost spam on defect is great against him. Feral returns from the exhaust pile (and doesn't count as drawing)
>>738070864necro master was your best rare card reward twice in a deck with low boss output? yeah sure. should have followed the eceleb tier list.
>>738070815>beetle+wurm duo is easier than Underdocksdoubt
>>738070809Everything is fucked against doormaker, at best he has only one turn where you have to sit there with your dick on your hand because fuck you you dont get to playSure you can push through but that doesnt make him any less miserable
>>738070995Your bitching was pathetic so I felt sorry for you and was trying to help.
>>738071057Pull from below in never pick??
>>738070805doesn't it show that if you hover over it? What would be nice is a way to extract that data from your save and export/share it so other people can have a look. I doubt you could fit everything on one screenshot.
>>738071059Rather fight shrink + worm than fight double cultist
>>738071005The strength of 0 cost cards is recurring them, and every other method of recursion besides Feral is fucked. And Feral is only 1 card per turn. And it doesn't even have innate so you most likely won't have access to it turn 2.
>>738070798Can't wait for Act 4 boss to have a cleanse every other turn to invalidate poison/doom/weak/vulnerable, on top of randomly exhausting 3 cards in your deck turn 1 and adding a curse to your discard pile whenever you draw extra cards during your turnMy bad for wanting to play anything but a 30+ card deck filled with every good card I came across and no single strategy aside from deal damage and gain block
>>738033257>obey to enemy
Remove all of Doornigger's stupid mechanics and just make him exhaust the first card you play each turn.
>>738071104>>738071057>pull in no pick>Squeeze and soul storm and protector in desperate, literally the wincon cards for osty/soul/summon decks>Fear and Defile there, so no ethereals decks eitherIm curious what this fucker actually plays with the necrobinder. Doom and Sleight of Flesh and nothing else?also>Posting eceleb tierlists as if that boosts your argumentThese are the retards youre arguing with in these threads anons, always remember this.
>>738070745AoE is a bit of a problem on Defect so Glass cards and Hailstorm are very neat. Consuming Shadow works really well especially with Glass orbs but you need to play your cards in the right order if you have Frost if you want to keep them around. Even evoking newly created Dark orbs solve hallways. I hate most Spire streamers but this Xecnar guy is definitely more legit than the rest.
>>738071057Graveblast being weak while Hologram is S tier goes to show how much worse attack is than block on utility cards.
>>738071104its pretty slow to scale.opem put too many cards in "never pick" imo. pull from below can exist and can do some work, same for bury and right hand hand and gr*veblast in a very rare case. the decks that make them work are just hard to get.
>>738071162It lets you play a card 2 0 costs every turn (unless you get unlucky and don't draw one) without worrying about the exhaust/draw/energy mechanics. You just play the 0 cost after already depleting your energy on the 3rd debuff turn so it doesn't empty you. 99% of cards in the game don't have innate so I don't really get your point there.
>>738071219He already had an interesting mechanic in shutting down the gate, make him do as you say, exhaust the first card you play against him and let him buff and attack during closed gate so you have an actual incentive to open the gate, instantly a much better fight
>>738071371Feral simply isn't common enough. I've had incredible zero cost decks as Defect but not seen Feral once. Hell I couldn't tell you when I last saw it.
>>738071164>Can't wait for Act 4 boss to have a cleanse every other turn to invalidate poison/doom/weak/vulnerable, on top of randomly exhausting 3 cards in your deck turn 1 and adding a curse to your discard pile whenever you draw extra cards during your turnDont forget making all your cards cost at least 1 so that 0 cost infinites are also invalidated.
>Ethereal cards get fucked phase one>Souls hard countered in phase 2>High cost cards unusable on phase 3What's door cunt problem with Necrobinder?
>>738070805>>738071117oh, turns out that exists at <steam>/userdata/<user id>/<sts2 id>/remote/profile1/saves/history/<unix timestamp>.runhere's my most recent run for example (I lost): https://litter.catbox.moe/deernp13pal7ezlf.runNow all we need is a nice program to view this data (or just move it to your own history folder to check)
>>738071439Give the gate itself something more interesting to do, like every turn put a curse in your deck with some weird effect.
>>738071256>I hate most Spire streamers but this Xecnar guy is definitely more legit than the rest.I don't watch him or any streamer but just looked through the guide and tier list he made that got posted in this thread. Last thing I want to do is watch someone else play
>>738071442That's true. I don't mean to imply that it's going to win some large percentage of runs overall. Just that you have doormaker fight solved if you get it with a 0 cost deck more than likely.
>>738071220post your deck already i have to see thisgetting one spirit of ash/pull from below doesn't justify taking garbage like fear and defile without just having a busted high energy and high card draw deck already
>>738071057This guy is all right but he definitely is out of depth when it comes to Necrobinder. There are more cards in her pool than just Neurosurge and Defy. It will never cease to amaze me how streamers understand that AoE can be a problem on Neceo but rate cards like Necro Mastery low. Which is weird since he understood that Bone Shards is very good.Pull From Below scales too slowly especially without Call of the Void, and it gets fucked over the most by Friendship compared to Necro's other multi-hit card Eradicate.>>738071331You can use Bury with a single Snap, outside of getting ofc more energy per turn. Right Hand Hand is all right but really wants Calcify imo bc that damage is just sad. Graveblast is just worse Dredge. On Necro I often want to pull back more than just 1 card, her card pool is not the same as Defect.Fear is definitely sus because it fucks up Lethality which is the deck it theoretically should fit in the most. Fetch also does that but at least it draws so it can be used in other decks.
>>738071496high cost, dense cards are great for phase 3. and all of his phases for that matter. its just 1 cost cards that are absolutely terrible and bleed your energy twice as fast.
>>738071641>Fear is definitely sus because it fucks up Lethality which is the deck it theoretically should fit in the most.Which is why fear applies two vuln + it deals decent damage even with lethality.I dont know how people can see fear and not thing its one of Necro's most useful cards.
>>738071594>>738071641What are good Necro decks? I thought cards like Defile were alright
>>738071498The transcript doesn't tell you what happened in fights so would be largely useless in helping people understand why they lose to the only thing people are complaining about right now: Doormaker.
>>738071506I think the other phases would already be covering that quota>closed gate snowball, force the big hits out into what is effectively temp hp>exhaust one card and push out a big hit>Increase cost of first card played and debuff>Automatically discard the first two cards you draw on turn start and loop back to closed gateThere, still annoying and a menace, but not miserable
Literally just make it so instead of not being able to draw phase 2, you take damage for each card you draw.thats it. Thats all you need to make doormaker a perfect boss. Maybe adjust his stats a bit but thats the only mechanical change he needs.
>>738071741defile and fear are alright early game if you are just taking one to solve act 1 damage. beyond that you are gonna need some reasons.
The devs won't revert Doormaker because at this point it would lose them izzat.
>>738071902No that's the reason why people are whining about the fight. They aren't good at the game and relied on one-trick solutions to win and putting a difficult fight into the game exposes them as low IQ and low skill players. Demolishing their izzat and making them look like retards.
>>738071740It applies 2 Vulnerable if you upgrade it but there are usually better cards to upgrade, especially early on which is when you're most likely to take the card. Upgrading sth like Reap / Sow / big Block card will boost your strength against that Act 1 Elite much more than Fear. Putrefy is also uncommon and it just works so much better so I too usually don't bother much with Fear anymore. I think it's a good early pick for sure but it has a number of caveats I'm not a big fan of desu. >>738071741High-energy and high-damage are the best imo. I find Sleigh of Flesh to be a tad overrated since it can be draw order dependent which especially hurts Putrefy the most. Souls kind of want to combo with Summons. Doom kind of want to combo with Flesh so it doesn't take 20 turns to kill.Defile is good but I just like Reap a lot more. Better numbers and keywords on it, same rarity.>>738071515I watch Opem bc his commentary is pretty funny though it can get a bit grating sometimes. The others are completely insufferable, maybe outside of Baalor.
>>738072007If they aren't good at the game why aren't they struggling against the Queen or Test Subject? Your logic doesn't work. I do not believe you actually understand their problem yet you still want to feel smug and superior so you're claiming victory regardless.
>>738071778mmm, shame the devs don't track that indeed. It wouldn't be that expensive either. Maybe they'll add that functionality one day.
>>738071862That'd be great, hard restrictions are way less fun than mechanics that punish youBoss gains strength when you play a power>>>you can't play powers
>>738072167>low IQ shitter can't readI already said why. They can't adapt because they rely on one-trick solutions. Adding variety to the game exposes them as being unskilled. They were never good at deck building and just forced "solutions" that they copied every run. Now they can't do that and it makes them seethe.
>>738072168Since they are tracking c-c-c-c-combo and highest damage in multiplayer there must be more data that is not getting save to .run
>>738072213>hard restrictions are way less fun than mechanics that punish youIt's pointless trying to explain this to grognards who think winrates and fun are the same thing.
>>738072241That's just bullshit you made up. I'm yet to see any actual evidence that what you're saying is true. There was a post on R*ddit claiming to be a Chinese player and the use of English seemed about right. At no point did they mention combos, only being punished for making good decks which is what Doormaker risks doing with his all-or-nothing bullshit.The part where he mocked westerners for making memes about Snakebite being bad made me laugh because the card is actually A tier.
>>738072408>you made that up but this post on reddit is actually the truthkek retard
>>738072408> only being punished for making good decks which is what Doormaker risks doing with his all-or-nothing bullshitHow do they know their decks are good? I for example don’t know how you can lose to doornigger with good ironclad deck
>>738072606Who said they're actually losing to Doormaker? Complaining about something doesn't mean you're losing to it lmao.
>>738072241>Adding variety to the game forcing everyone into the same bloatmaxxing garbage build isn't variety>They were never good at deck buildingDooormaker actively punishes good deckbuilding and rewards bloating your deck with 30 cards worth of random bullshit> Now they can't do that and it makes them seetheor maybe the vast majority of Slay the Spire fans liked making small, optimized decks that don'tr rely on pure draw luck. The Chinese are just more willing to make their opinions heard unlike bootlicking CONSOOMer gweilos
>>738049760I wonder if I got it a bit better loop on the right side. hard to tell on my machien until I see it in the browser..
>>738072241stop posting and fix your game Anthony
>>738072818hmmmm.. brat still needs correction
honestly i think the fact that doormaker hits for 35 turn 2 is really whats filtering more people than his mechanics. they think its his mechanics because they suck at the game but its not. they either take a lot to the early large-ish hit or they take too long to kill and hit the exhaust phase too many times and blame the exhaust phase on their low output.
>>738072890Grognards be like>dude you're supposed to take the 35 so you don't exhaust your block cards
>>738072890He hits for 35 because he gave you turn to set up. Queen hits for 45, reduces your block by 25% and locks two cards out of play
>>738072814>skipping most cards in a deck builder is "Good deck building"These are the kinds of retards crying about doormaker.
>>738073120>He hits for 35 because he gave you turn to set upYou forgot the word "powers" because there's plenty things you can't set up like debuffs or Hang.
>>738072843Why is it always anthony with the whiners?
>>738073194>lets you forge>lets you add souls into your deck>lets you add self damage stacks for Tear Asunder>add shivs into exhaust pile>claw stacks>sturdy clamp will provide 10 block next turn
>>738073147bait used to be believable
>>738073403>I NEED to force the same 5 card deck every run because that's true deck building skill
