>it doesn't pass the Contra testValvesisters...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4MivhL4ruY
>controller requires you to login to an account and keep an app always running for it to be usableValve cultists WILL defend this
The fuck is a contra test.
>>738033796Retro Game Corps peddled a lie that when wiggling in the up/down dpad direction gives you undesired left/right input is bad.
>>738034384Unintended inputs on a controller are ALWAYS bad you retard nigger
>>738034384But this actively pisses me off on switch/2 brother
>>738034686>>738034771Unintended inputs are bad, but testing a dpad by wiggling up and down is just testing the actuation pressure of the switches. The first test is to see if it has a physical pivot, and the second test is to fucking use it.
>>738033602Fuck the Contra Test, give me the Super Metroid walljumping test.
>>738035429Yeah that's a much better way to test a dpad.Another good way is to just play Gimmick on the Famicom or the later levels of Mario 3. There's some really precise platforming in those games and if you don't have a good d-pad you're screwed.
>>738033602I swear I saw another reviewer say it passed the contra test just fine. One of these faggots is doing it improperly.
>le contra testthe fucking snes dpad fails thiskill all transexuals
>>738034384>a lie that (...) undesired (...) input is bad.Are you niggers out of your mind? Do you even read what you type?
>>738035564>Another good way is to just play later levels of Mario 3What? I love SMB3 but it's really not that precise or input heavy. I can only imagine it mattering if you're trying to wall clip or something>>738035661The originally linked video says it's fine, but it probably for the best that nobody clicks any links from an OP this shitty
I think he meant that wiggling the pad around like a retard is what's causing the unintended inputs.Like of course it's going to do that.....
Wouldn't a better test be to play a rhythm game?
It pass the "I'm going to buy it anyway" test.
>>738035842was this supposed to prove your point or something?
>le xinput is le bad>le contra test is le badWhat's the next steamie cultist cope? I was going to get the controller solely because it's optimized for the steam frame, but I've already given up on it.
>>738036761by this point I'm worried the steam frame will be just as bullshit, and I really want to finally upgrade from this quest 2
>>738036761xinput is pretty much obsolete at this point
>>738036875Xinput just werks, deal with it faggot
>>738033784It doesn't
>>738033602>brigade of pcbros flooding the comment sections defending the multi-billion company Lmao, PCKeks are a different breed, I can already see them defending the $1200 steam machine that is weaker than a PS5,the gift that keeps in giving
>>738033784>Controller whose entire identity is using steam to customize on a game by game individual basis requires the software to customize and run>That's software is the most popular storefront by such a large margin that it regularly gets sued for being a monopoly even though it isn't simply for BTFOing all their competitorsWow I'm so shocked. I can't believe I need to run the software that may as well have been baked into my OS for the past 20 years to use the controller
>>738037016linux kernel drivers just werk even better, niggerfaggot
idc i just ordered 50 steam controllers and will resell them for thousands
>>738037092? You're doing the same thing for timmy thoughbeit
>>738037147Congrats bro.
>>738037138No they fucking don't you turbofaggot, and your cope for when it doesn't work it's always>but that game is SHITfuck you
>>738037131>Controller whose entire identity is using steamlmao you're unironically defending DRM like it's something that we have to acceptwhat a pathetic dickrider
Xinput is the purest form of embrace extend extinguish strategy that Microsoft is infamous for. That anyone could even pretend to support it boggled the mind.
>>738037051It does on anything but SteamOS and Bazzite
>>738033784I already do this anyway?>This mood ring requires you to have a functional circulatory system, what scam>>738034384>>738034771Aren't most dpads fucky for that? I remember someone saying 8bitdo fucked this up too.
>>738037286>mood ring analogykek, is this some meta joke
>>738033602It has the exact same issues that the first controller had, if you use a controller for playing games outside of steam (emulator), first and foremost. It's a dead weight. You're better off sticking with an Xbox controller. Like fucking usual
>>738037226>No they fucking don't you turbofaggotDebunked. You don't even need shitput on Linux. Plug and Play.
>>738033602That's not what he said.
>>738034384There is no other reason to use a gamepad other than for the dpad. If that's no good what's the point lol, you need a $100 controller to play cinematic movie slop????
>>738037367Doesn't work with this random boomertard GOG game that I've just testedkys
>>738037360>You're better off sticking with an Xbox controller. Like fucking usualTranslation: I don't have money and I want this product to flop to feel better with myself.
>>738037230>DRMHe still thinks Steam is DRM, holy shit people can't just keep being this retarded
isnt it absolutely insane that you're essentially buying a controller that only works on a game store, it's locked to only games you bought from that store. why would anyone want one?
valvedr0nes are pathetic
>>738037649>he doesn't know
What are the chances of good morning chadsir to release a knockoff? I just want the trackpads but I don't want to pay up the fat fuck yacht tax
>>738037673fanboys gonna fanboy
>>738033602Giant Bomb demonstrated it does pass the test.
>>738037816>can play most Steam games without Steam>even those that enforce Steam can be easily cracked to a laughable degree>even if you don't crack it, you don't have to be online, everYeah, you sure don't know jackshit
>>738033602Not only does it actually pass the test, EVERY reviewer has approved of the dpad… including the one you linked!
>>738035429fucking this
>>738037476>Translation: I don't have moneyI've had the original steam controller for a decade, I'll try and make this very clear, again, if the majority of the time you pick up a controller to play a game on your PC, is outside of steam, i.e. the game you're playing is not being launched through STEAM, like every PC game for the past 40 years. The steam controller will have compatibility issues. And if you're an emulator fag who mainly plays roms, the steam controller 2.0 is dead on arrival, as expected Where as an old Xbox 360 controller will just plain work. It's same issues they had 10 years ago
OH FUCKare we russposting on /v/?
>>738037898you have to have steam running in order to use the controller. Thats the issue here.
The amount of seethe that this controller is causing is unprecedentedI have never seen as many retards that weren't going to buy something anyway complain about it
>>738038024That's not DRM though?
>>738038036Bro you're on /v/, people here seethe about everything.
>>738033602This dude got several things wrong already lol you all watch this guy? He's wrong about how to activate the trackpads
>>738033602It’s a bad controller unless you can utilize the touchpads to some extent. This isn’t news.
>>738037360The first controller is still my daily driver. Best dpad haptics > plastic mold.
bazzite won
>>738037230If you really, HONESTLY think we DRM isn't mandatory, you are retarded. It's a lost battle and as far as DRM is considered, steam uses the least computing power and is the least intrusive. Pirating is for brokefags but I can understand if you're a failure whose time is less valuable than his money, which sucks for you, but I would rather not deal woth pirating and the shit like manually installing updates and shit. Also any program can run through steam as a game, meaning the controller can work for ANYTHING, even something like excel or photoshop if you really wanted. You're on an island in the pacific, thinking a war is going on that you lost 10 years ago.
>>738034384That's %100 true though. Bad D-pads shouldn't be acceptable for any reason, you actual shill.
Why get a Steam Controller when you can get an 8Bitdo Ultimate 2 for less than half the price?
>>738037016>Xinput just werks...if you don't need extra buttons...or gyro...or trackpads
>>738033602>retardo stick placementnah thx fatty
>>738038558bro? your touchpads?
>>738038558Why? Because I already have an 8bitdo U2.
>>738038570>...if you don't need extra buttonsYou don't.>...or gyroThis is for toddlers and not necessary for real video games.>...or trackpadsSee above.
It just looks awful to use. I don't need more information.
>>738038641>Bad opinion>Bad opinion>Bad opinionNice post.
>>738033602>Steam Controller was so dogshit they had to offload them for $5>expecting anything from the sequel
>>738038641Then don't buy the steam controller? You hate all its features and bitch about it not prioritising supporting inferior systems
>>738037673I refuse to believe anyone would make a device that anti-consumer. You cannot prove it works that way.
>>738038714>>>738037180Morning saar.
>>738038570>...if you don't need extra buttonsWorks on my machine>...or gyroWorks on my machine>...or trackpadsTheoretically woks on my machine, I just don't have a gamepad with trackpads to test it with
>>738037275But it doesn't
>>738038693>Nice post.Thanks.
>>738038714funny you say that, considering the series the character you posted comes from, peaked at the second game
>>738038714No, that's not what happened Maybe you should look up why they sold them for $5 instead of parroting rumors
>>738038782>...or gyro>Works on my machineYou weren't using xinput then, kek.
>>738038834because they fucking offloaded them, they were being discontinued. I fucking bought one
>>738038765have you watched the review video linked in the OP, they literally go into it.
>>738038782>Works on my machineit quite literally cannot function on raw xinput as its feature set is permanently locked to whatever the xbox 360 gamepad had
>>738038036It's butt-fucking retarded to make a controller for PC that only works with an account login. You cannot cope your way out of how mockable that is. You will be ridiculed for decades if you buy this trash.
I dont know anything about controllers so Ive been lurking these threads to see if the new steam one is worth. I genuinely cant tell if its good or total dogshit because every post in either direction is met with an equal but opposite post claiming something else.
>>738038880>>738038906worksonmymachineI am using a switch pro controller knockoff and used BetterJoyForCemu to enable gyro on risk of rain 2Cope niglords
Imagine now that Windows and Android are good, kek, this place definitely just wants to be contrary.
>>738038892And why did they have to sell them for $5?You could easily look this up, are you ready this retarded?
>>738038893>Bazzite (full support)So it will literally work on my machine. Thanks Gabe!
>>738038595just use a damn mouse and keyboard like a true pc gamer
>>738038976>are you ready this retarded?
>>738038913it seems the conclusion is that if you use steam to play all your games and dont pirate/use emulators/gog then it's a fine controller to get. Otherwise it wont work and you're better off with other controllers.
>>738033602Friendly reminder Valve has a worst cult of fans than Nintendo. Valve hasn't released anything decent since like 2011 and isn't even the same company they once were
>>738038976>are you ready this retarded
reminder that the whole "needing steam" thing is nonexistent if you would get off of microslop shitdows
>>738039002A typo doesn't invalidate you bring incapable of basic research Chop chop, you could even ask your slop chat bot you helpless little alphoomer
>>738039041>worse than NintendoYou're not fooling anyone tendie. I don't see pcbros making up boogeymen whenever someone calls their shitty flop controller garbage
>>738039078>bring
>>738038942thanks for confirming that you're not using native xinput lol
>>738039041>has a worst cult of fans than Nintendo.No they dont>t. Snoy
>>738038942>I used [third party software] and now the device works on my machine as intended..ok?
>>738039098Still got nothing then?
>>738039106>>738039118>forcing xinput means that you're not using xinput LOLok
>>738039078>you bring incapable of basic researchFalseflagging now gayboy? Pretending to be me is brown behavior
>>738039087>>738039116They do. This controller is a perfect example
>>738038913It's just another controller; it has some interesting features, but not in this case. If you don't want to spend too much and only have one controller, you have many alternatives. I have five controllers and I want to buy this one.
>>738039168kill yourself tendie nigger, you fags are objectively the worst fanbase in the entire board
>>738039149you didn't misspell anything this time congrats buddy
>>738039157so... not "natively"? Ok.
>>738038893No I didn't because the design looks retarded and I have no interest in it.>SISR allows Steam input outside of SteamThat sounds like merely an Xinput style program needed to make it even speak to your hardware.I trust hateful autists as much as any greedy company so I still don't buy that you need an account just to use a controller. You can't prove that's how it works.
>>738039205Pcbros are literally worse. I haven't played a nintendo game since twilight princess on the gamecube btw
>>738039205yep, pure snoy seethe in this here post
>>738039118https://www.x360ce.com/https://ds4-windows.com/You have no idea what a pain in the ass PC controls have always been; only on Linux do they all work without problems.
>>738039205>>738039252it changed v alvedrones to pcbros
>>738038976They sold them for 5$ because some absolute scum sued them for back buttons. Every sale after they would get fined for.Selling full price would of ACTIVELY HURT THEM>>738038913If you ever wanted to play a game which DEMANDED mouse input, or far more buttons, but wanted controller form factor, buy it
>>738039323Good, they should wordfiler all of your faggoty console warrior tardspeak.
>>738034384I hate that Xbox is the only big controller brand without this issue
>>738038913It's quite simple:1.Trust Valve2.Get FuckedIf a 20-year-long cliffhanger doesn't convince you to be wary of Valve then nothing will.
Do people even use back paddles? What for? I never found any real need for them
>>738039348Yes, I know why they did it, it was a fuck you to c*rsairResident consolecucks don't, they just hear the typical console war shit
>>738039237Well duh, switch controllers don't have xinput you retard. But sure, I've got a gamesir controller with gyro, and that one has xinput from the get go. And look the gyro works. Now fuck off
>>738038913>make new aliexpress account using gmail>get new costumer discount>buy 8bitdo or gamesir xinput controller for like $10I assure you won't need more than that.
>>738039520>gamesirLol
>>738039590I also have a 8bitdo one>>8bitdo>LolThere I saved you a post pcbro
>>738039520>And look the gyro worksIt's not using xinput then, kek.
>>738039520>And look the gyro works...with the gamesaar app installed
>>738039323That's actually pisses me off. I don't appreciate being lumped in with retards that worship Valve just because I know how to make a custom .exe with notepad alone.
>>738039653Bro it works, sorry that your gayben controller isn't all that cutting edge>>738039661I don't install malware
>>738039716>Bro it worksYou're probably talking about Dinput, which is more modern and support Gyro controls, unlike Xinput.
>>738039405>1.Trust Valve>2.Get FuckedHow did it fuck steam deck users exactly???
>>738039768Maybe, I don't know other than the fact that: itworksonmymachine and I didn't need to pay up the fat fuck tax
>>738039486I can only imagine using them for something like Garry's Mod but even then you would need to assign specific functions for them that almost no other game would use.I have never once used them because any game that would benefit from it is radically better to play with a keyboard and mouse. I frankly don't understand their point and find them to be uncomfortable on Steam Deck.
>>738039837I don't really care about your personal vendetta.
>>738039768>Dinput>more modernit's literally older, and does NOT support gyro
>>738039041Steamies are retarded
>>738039896Looking at your constant seething and obsessed replies, I'm pretty sure that you do care about itUnfortunately I don't care about your cultist behavior, therefore I will take my leave
>>738039259>snoy out of nowhereYou do know that you're just proving his point, right?Is this the part where you call me Eric?
>>738037286>I remember someone saying 8bitdo fucked this up too.8bitdo isn't a standard to live up to. All their pads are shit. The only exception is the m30.
>>738039975Projecting again? People were just pointing out your ignorants statements about hardware. Sure, run away, kek.
>>738040006ERIC I KNOW ITS YOU STOP ACTING LIKE YOURE NOT ERIC YOU DO THIS EVERY FUCKING TIME
>>738033602>contra testso most controllers failed anyway? Stupid.
>>738039789>Verified game with green check mark>Runs like absolute shit and crashes constantly >Warning symbol that says it doesn't work at all on Steam Deck>Works flawlessly with full controller supportThis happened to me enough times that I completely gave up on buying games just for Steam Deck. It's an emulation device at best. The level of compatibility Valve claims it has is an absolute fucking lie even for games that warn you it might not be fully compatible.>Runs fine but the text might be hard to read :^)>Literally won't even start unless you use a third party proton buildThe Steam Deck is a fucking farce and is unable to handle way too many games despite running a select few PS5 era games just fine. It's compatibility is unacceptable for the price. You are way better off buying a pre-built laptop and that disgusts me to even say.
>>738040006>>738040067Who the hell is Erik?
>>738040125me
>>738040103Not that I don't believe you, but do you remember any examples?
>>738040141Holy shit it's him. We are all blessed.
>>738038908I have money. You don't.That's why you play on console.
>>738040141Is it true that you lost and got raped?
>>738037429mkb is only preferable for rts and menu-heavy games UNLESS you have shit or no gyro in which case it's also preferable for shootersbut that's it
GYRO doesn't works using DINPUT or XINPUT.When you see a controller uses gyro on PC, it defines it's own separate device for the gyro alone(some use mouse input).It's not that hard.
>>738040183eric
>>738033602I am certain the Steam controller is shit but this guy shills 8bitdodo controllers.>>738033796>>738034384
>>738040254sponsorships, he lives off of it
>>738040152nta but Indika.
>>738038805>>738037898>>738038079Show it running on any non-steam game without an overlay.
>>738033602>>738040254>contra testBOOMER SLOP
>>738040254>if you wiggle the controller all over the inputs go all overWhat is this test supposed to prove? He should be using a controlled testing method not his hand
>Controller is literally a brick if you want to play offlinWhom can I blame for this
>>738040152I could list a few but the first one that comes to mind is Black Mesa. A flagship Valve-endorsed game on Steam.It's broken stuttering mess of crashes that you cannot run for a full hour without a full shut down, yet the "compatible" warning just says it might have some display issues with text size and button prompts. It's a blatant lie. The game does not properly run on Steam Deck period. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Second example would be almost any game from the PS3/Xbox360 era. The overwhelming majority of them outright say they are completely incompatible yet will run flawlessly with full controller support. It's particularly baffling because it translates to less money for Valve in this example.If you want to figure out how a game runs on Steam Deck, your only choice is to gamble on wether or not you can determine it's functionality within two hours of the refund limit, which in the case of RE 4 remake is impossible.Please understand that I enjoy it's functionality as a portable PS2, but the way Valve advertises compatibility is either outright deceptive to profit from companies paying for a verification or horrifically incompetent to a degree that costs them money. Either way it's easily the worst thing about the Steam Deck. There is no way to really know if a game runs on it properly without gambling first.
>>738033602>reviewer: it works well in contra>anon: it doesn't pass the contra testAnon-kun?
>>738040171I don't play on console, smug retard.Wasting money just because you have it makes you an objectively inferior individual.
>>738040553Gabe Newell: The King and Reigning Master of live-service cancer.
>>738040596Really? I'm not in the mood for watching it. I mean, I ain't gonna waste my time watching a slop. So, you're saying OP lied. Disgusting. I knew it.
>>738033784>people who like thing I don't like are cultists!Kek. Go back to plebbit, idiot leftoid.
>>738040596Someone made a callout video on the Contra Test and Russ made a long ass whiny post about it. He doesn't stand by it but he also makes no effort to clarify it in his videos so people just consider The Contra Test as some pass/fail metric. It's a really fucking stupid test though.
>>738033784Retarded consolefags know so little about computers that they think DirectInput is some kind of Valve intellectual property or something, lol.
>>738033784self-report
>>738040875Anon, the Steam Controller does not use DirectInput whatsoever. That's why people are complaining.
>>738040152I forgot to mention Resident Evil 4 Remake is fully verified with a green check mark and cannot run even remotely close to the stability of other versions.It looks like total shit, stutters when you turn, and crashes every hour or so. It is most definitely not even slightly close to literally every other version you could play.I'm not just being autistic there's actual input lag the performance is so shit. Many claim Capcom caused this then fixed it but I have tried multiple builds and seen zero difference. It's verified as running flawlessly compared to it's competitors yet runs like unplayable blurry shit.When you compare it's stability and fidelity to something like Death Stranding, the lie becomes blatant and obvious.Please understand that I do not hold a strong opinion of either of these games individually. I am speaking strictly on performance and stability
>>738040853>>738040361Snoyggers would hate you for destroying their anti-steam/valve narrative
>>738040553Fortunately, that's false.
>>738040590>>738041023Cheers anon this is quite insightfulMy brother has a Deck, I'll ask him about some of these games if I remember to, see how bad those games actually are.
>>738040364In that same video where the webm clip was taken from, the guy runs the same test with an NES controller, and unintended inputs drop by 90%.8Shitdo has d-pads that are particularly terrible. They're completely unreliable, and I've played plenty of Tetris 99 at an advanced level to say that with absolute certainty.The only controllers I've used recently that gave me precise inputs were some from Hori, like the Hori Pokken Pad and the Hori Pro Controller for Nintendo Switch (the old version, with the detachable d-pad).In my recent experience:Decent dpads:>Hori Pokkén Pro Pad>Hori Pro Controller for Switch (with detachable dpad)Imprecise D-pads:>Nintendo Switch Pro Controller>Nintendo Switch Pro Controller 2>Sony DualSenseTerrible D-pads:>all from 8Shitdo
>>738041085>snoys out of nowhereanon, are you okay?
>>7380402548bitdo controllers are sick though
Got my $30 GuliKit ES Pro.Never switching.
>>738033602>>it doesn't pass the Contra test>except for the fact he said he does
>>738038558Because I don't like 8shitdo.
>>738033796A weird thing people do where they have to wiggle their thumb when they press down, which could cause some D-Pads to register left/right diagonal inputs.
>>738033602>Ethics statement: I do not accept sponsorship or paid promotion for any of my work. >But I will accept free review samples to generate shekels for myself AHAHAHA FAGGOTWhat a gay.Any review with zero monetary input is fake and gay.
what is with the utter and complete derangement over this controlleri had no idea consolefags were this insecure
>>738041450shalom
>>738041085Snoys and jeets winbugers
Switch 2 has superior mouse controls. Idk why people want two tiny ass squares that just ruin the ergonomics of the controller.
>>738041460it's tendies, just look at this post>>738041595
>>738041460ikr It is really pathetic to see others getting overtriggered by the trivial thing like this controller. I knew the consolefags went from being at the bottom of the barrel to being an inch below the bottom of the barrel.
>>738041460Valve commited haram against nintendo with the deck
>>738041595But I thought mice were soulless and only for spreadsheets, and controllers were for games. Why are they suddenly good when Nintendo do them?
>>738041154I returned an 8bitdo ultimate 2 yesterday because of the dpad and holding it naturally squished my fingers toward the triggers making it uncomfortable to hold.
>>738040364retard
>>738041595Shitty equivalent of Jenga brick balanced precariously on flat surface (necessary) to crudely emulate a mouse, with a grip that will give you nerve pain long term....ORcontroller which uses your thumbs as mouse input, with similar grip to a joystick, and can do a million other things switch 2 mouse cant. Also far more comfortable and doesn't work require flat surface.Which way western man?
>>738041595thats literally a mouse and therefore not comfythere are clear usecases for a controller with trackpads. basically every game where you can mostly use thumbsticks but occasionally could really use some mouse input but dont really need the full blown accuracy of a real mouse. not to mention rebinding the controls and adding new controls and on screen touch menus with the steam controller settings is really good, i use the left trackpad as a on screen menu for a bunch more buttons all the timeyou can play way more complex games while being way more relaxed. its so easy to add a turbo button or all kinds of cool tricks with steams controller configurationthe anger over this controller seems to stem from confusion and fear, because normally simply not knowing much about a thing people like would not elicit so much derangement
>>738041959>>738041865>literal mouse not comfyUm, are pc fags now allergic to mouse? Lol?
>>738041387t. never tried one
>>738041959If you need proof that some "people" on this board either have a deranged hatred towards steam or are taking timmy tencent money, just see how many times in every steam-adjacent thread someone tries to peddle the same disinfo about steam not allowing you to set a price lower than on steam itself.
>>738041595The keyboard is better than the mouse, little one. That's why you have fighting game players using things like a Hitbox to mimic a fraction of keyboard's power. You can play PC games without a mouse no problem(some games like FFXI are known for this), without the keyboard things fall apart.
>>738042062More like consolefags suddenly flip-flopping because they now have access to them.
>>738042062I'm sorry ALL the mice you ever used wetr shaped like jenga bricks lmao. Its not even remotely mouse shaped, and if you made it mouse shaped, it would be unusable as controller. It does Function as mouse, but holy fuck its not comfortable
>>738033602>it doesnt pass the contra testit literally passed the contra test.....
>>738037016nobody uses xinput, they work around it.
>>738042089>>738041959First day on /v/? It happens to literally every single topic this board discusses.
>>738038737more like don't buy ANY modern controller.none of them use xinput.they fake it for the sake of making it easier to work with windows.
>>738033602SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR DO NOT REDEAM THE STEAM CONTROLLAR BLOODY BASTARD BENCHOD PLEASE BE READEAMING THE GAMESAR INSTEAD MOTHERCHODE
>>738041959>the anger over this controller seems to stem from confusion and fearyou are so fucking new.paid shills crying over everything valve does is so old that epic games even admitted to paying them
>games not using steam is LE BAD>controllers not using steam is LE GOOD
>>738035842>the fucking snes dpad fails thisyeah because the snes dpad is dogshit, only nostalgiafags say otherwise
>>738042360I know it's the obvious joke, but GameSar are actually a chink company.
>>738041959imo the trackpads are pretty useless in most scenarios because you're better off using kb/m instead. like it's a controller for people that don't wanna use the best input method on pc. for something like dark souls or nioh, i get it, but at that point the extra features of the steam controller really don't matter that much and any old controller will do. it's not a controller for everyone, that's why you have people angry over it. they waited months for something that doesn't really appeal to them. all the extra key bindings and customization that the steam controller is capable of don't matter to a basic bitch gamer that isn't going to interact with those at all.
>>738042434It's more like>Valve are the only company who get demonized for having platform-specific hardware
>>738042087I have. Sn30 Pro+ and Pro 2 or whatever the fuck they were called.
>>738042491debunked.people use it for weapon wheels>people angry over it.sweeny is not people, paid shills are not people, and they are not mad, they are drones following orders.
>>738040985you are a idiot
>>738040985people have been complaining about WINDOWS not using direct input for 15 years.
>>738038984>Only because Steam is installedDidn’t fix the problem it has.
>>738033784>>738040985>>738040875i have og steam controller (actually my second) and it's not a problem https://github.com/kozec/sc-controller$100 is too much though. unless it's really good but i already have gamesaar g7 pro
>>738042618>you are a idiot
>>738038023It's always DangeRuss to post on /v/
>>738033784I remember when people were losing their minds over switch 2's C button """needing a subscription""" (you can just remap it) but now suddenly literal controller DRM is okay because valve did it lmao
>>738042612>people use it for weapon wheelsso...12345 on keyboard? which is way better. it's a controller for console refugees that didn't grow up with kb/m.
>>738042756>saar this is DRMopen source drivers arent DRM, pajeetjust use something other than steaminput
>>738042794>1-5 on a keyboard>while using a controllerok so you are just a retarded shill who doesn't play videogames, got it.
>>738042849are you actually no joke retarded? i'm saying to use keyboard and mouse instead as the lord intended. for someone yapping about shills, you sure do love shilling a fucking controller on a platform with a better control method.
>>738038558Because the 8bitdo controller I do have doesn't have trackpads and gyro and has two less back buttons. And I sold a CSGO skin so I have steambux
>>738041959>the anger over this controller seems to stem from confusion and fearYeah bro just ignore the 3 days of nonstop aggressive shilling on the catalogue this thing got, acting like a $100 chink controller is the second coming of christ. What a mystery that we are now shitting and scrutinizing on it as a reaction. For double the price of the most popular controllers on the market, you get a dpad that sucks, smaller buttons meant for a deck, and you need steam to use it. Fucking fantastic. Really premium stuff here.And your stupid mouse gimmick is worthless. If I want to select stuff on a wheel, I can use a joystick for that. Nobody understands what these unique bindings you are talking about.
>>738042902>controller threads made by nothing but shills whining about the controller>faggot comes into controller thread>whines about controller>whines about using keyboard for no good reason>gets called out>mind broken
>>738042926>3 days of nonstop aggressive shilling on the catalogue this thing gotyou mean the 3 days of pajeets screaming that everyone needs to NOT buy the controller?bitching and bitching and bitching about xinput?riiiiiight bro
>>738043013You are an indian shill hired by valve to get people to buy a shit controller
>>738042926The buttons are larger than the deck actually. Large compared to other controllers. If you're going to get this upset about a video game controller at least watch a review first.
>>738043060>saaaar you arent bitching about valve like every pajeet has been doo-dooing for years>saaar only a brown skin will doo-doo thisdoo-doo you really think anybody is gonna fall for that?
>>738043086his job does not require him to do that.only follow the script and post what he is told to post.
>>738033602>48 minutes to review a controller
>>738042902>NOOOOOO, YOU MUST ALWAYS USE KEYBOARD AND MOUSE OR ELSE I FEEL INSUFFICIENTLOLAlso weapon wheel or rough equivalents are far faster than reaching on keyboard, especially if you have like 5+ weapons
>>738034384It's not a lie tranny. It's 100% bada cheap gamesir controller that costs $15 does not have this issue. KYS
>>738043086>Large compared to other controllersHow does someone just blatantly lie like that?
>>738043248>Also weapon wheel or rough equivalents are far faster than reaching on keyboard,mice have buttons on the side too, 12345 is common because of muscle memory due to pcfags all having grown up playing mmos/mobas/diablo likes. keyboard/mouse is the better control scheme 99% of the time, pcfags have been saying this for decades. just because valve releases a controller doesn't mean that suddenly changed. there are use cases where the steam controller is better, that's being on the couch or being a little baby boy that grew up on consoles and then swapped to pc within the last 10 years without ever having played pc first games.
>The exception is Linux where Valve has an SDL driver in the kernel with gamepad functionalitythis might make me finally switch to Linux bros. how does CachyOS fare with a 5070ti card nowadays?
>>738037429>tranime
>>738040807>>people who like thing I don't like are cultists!If you haven't used that thing but say you like it means you are a shill
>>738042062well it looks less comfortable than a real mouse and yes the point of the trackpad is that you can get more comfortable and not have to be sitting upright at a desk or table like that would require
the only thing wrong with the controller is it doesnt have a slider for throttle. this should have been put on controllers decades ago. just a little tiny slider thing could have allowed developers to bring great mech and flight and space sims to consoles and couch gamersbut i bet theres a way to emulate a throttle well using the trackpads anyway
>>738043545>CachyOS fare with a 5070ti cardlinux is better performance than windows across the board. no ai taking screenshots every 15 seconds
>>738044001IIRC you can set axes to the pads so yeah.
>>738044052>no ai taking screenshots every 15 secondsUnless we're talking about 11 LTSC which had all of the AI garbage stripped out.
>controllers are shit for aiming/pointing due to thumb range of motion>what if we add a touchpadThis does nothing and the people who did it are fucking retarded. You can also buy 2 better mice/keyboards and controllers for this price.
>>738037131Wouldn't I have to launch everything I want to use with it via Steam?
>>738044318Why is that a problem? Just add it to library, search game, run
>>738044063yeah but you have to set the trackpad to control it in some way. and joystick wouldnt work because it would go to the center when you release a finger from the padi need to look into this
>>738044052>linux is better performance than windows across the boardthat’s not true unless you’re running an amd gpu. nuvidia cards tend to perform worse on Linux especially 50xx series ones
>>738039486Emulator hotkeys
>>738037131kys
>>738033602So all this whining about this controller is because this chinkshit reviewer who shits out paid reviews for chinkshit controllers and handhelds doesn't like big name competition (who doesn't pay him for shilling)?
>>738045154H1b is salty, knowing he's getting deported for lack of job soonBtw Washington won't stop ice.>>738044286If you have pad for macro movement, and gyro for micro, it's actually borderline better than mouse desu.
>>738033602>Contra testworks as intended, have you ever played with separate buttons for each direction? Like on the fucking nintendo switch joycon? This sucks, especially for fighting games. I like a single cross, that you can wiggle for "missinputs"... holy shit.
>>738043404>Posts a picture where its clearly large compared to other controller
>>738045303Nta but the buttons are clearly smaller
>>738045190you might be onto something
>>738045190>anyone who doesn't like my company product is a Chinese shill!!!!schizo
>>738037673>>738038765>it's locked to only games you bought from that store.You're retarded, that's retarded. You have to use something to run the controller, because Windows does not natively support a controller like that. It makes sense for that to be Steam.
>>738046015>the Steam Controller does not support the native windows driverFTFY
God that thing is hideous
>>738033602>fails contra test>dude still shills it and says "ii--ii-i-i-its ppPP-pp-pretty gud for retro games...."lol paid by valve detected
>>738033602>Recommends 8bitdo and GamesirI can safely discard everything this man says.
Actual question. Why arent d pads just 4 buttons under the cross itself?
>>738046781They kinda are
>>738046850Then why the fuck is this even an issue?
>>738047014companies just can't get the plus shaped molds right for some reason
>>738047258Its funny because as much as people complain about the "contra" test (who cares if you briefly look up in Contra when turning) fighters would actually want that effectively rolling type dpad, as it makes a lot of combos EITHER, and back and forth inputs ALWAYS are designed to release the first direction, and push the other direction, rather than rolling. Like Tekken
Bait thread, but if you actually care about the contra test you should just use a fightstick instead.
>>738033784It doesn't work like that. You plug it in and it's usable on desktop and when you load up steam it's now accurate for game controller configs.
>>738046781Because the d-pad is just a way to slap in a cheap membrane instead of spending more money on buttons. It is just an arrangement for handheld ewaste that had maybe 2 other gameplay related buttons at most.It can be comfy and practical, but it mostly isn't.>>738047014Because people are nostalgic for a cheapo thing from their childhood, so they only like the thing that is exactly like the cheapo thing from their childhood.There are several mutually exclusive preferences, yet there is also somehow the unifying belief that there is one perfect d-pad and that companies should just make that, so any company making d-pads keeps pissing off sections of their audience that then drag the people who would have actually liked that d-pad with them. What's worse is that people don't actually know what they want due to memes, so even if they perfectly describe what they think they want and the company follows those instructions, they would still get a d-pad they don't actually like.The truth is that the d-pad is an obsolete piece of shit in most cases due to controllers having more buttons now, unless you find the controller that is specifically pandering to you and satisfies your nostalgia.
>>738033602Still the king
>>738033602FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>738033602I usually trust valve but track pads are objectively an ugly feature i really don't get why they added them.
>>738049018You mean leverless.
>>738049018>>738050843Keyboard.
>>738037360>if you use a controller for playing games outside of steam... then it works just fine through lizard mode. Alternatively, you can also add the game or emulator to Steam if you want the configuration.>(emulator)The trackpads are fucking lifesavers in emulators. You can bind emulator functions to them instead of reaching for the keyboard or using some awkward hotkey system on the controller.
>>738037673Yeah that would be pretty insane. Good thing it's not the case.
>>738037673Literally doesn't work that wayIts Is steam installed? Can you at least add a program as non steam game?99% if yes, it works
>>738033784blame microsoft and linux developers not steam
Just use a playstation or xbox controller instead.
>>738038908>It's butt-fucking retarded to make a controller for PC that only works with an account loginI agree. I don't see how that's relevant to the conversation at hand though.
>heres why the dpad being bad is actually a good thingyall need jesus...
>>738040358I would. If it was out.
>>738040358What do you mean WITHOUT overlay, like steam overlay, that's invisible normally? Why would you not want this and how would you tell??
>>738050843But that's gay
>>738042712False.
Why do so many people defenddrm?
>>738034384How the fuck is that a lieOh yeah we should accept undesired inputsWho says this?
>>738038558Because they're honest to god dogshit gamepads.I had the SN30 Pro+ and Pro 2 and if you don't know any other gamepads sure, you might feel they're decent. They're "good value" considering the external battery. The 2 is just absolute fucking dogshit.That and I already have better controllers that have a better featureset of course. I seriously don't know why /v/ has been getting so many legitimately paid 8bitdo shills over the years.
>>738055796because of what this guy said >>738048895
>>738056097trying to undercut the high-end market for controllers and snag all the poor browns shilling for ubisoft and sweenysee a need fill a need.so now you get shills targeting shills to sell stuff to those shills
>>738040853>long ass whiny post>he's just explaining that he's testing sensitivity and his methodology and a concern about something people don't fucking test which is the d-pad being unfuckable for diagonals because it won't register them even when intendedcan you read?
>>738033784like a console you retarded turd
>>738033784Not if you don't use cuckdows
>>738033784Who would even buy this shit with these conditions?
I'm still buying it because I game on LinuxWindowscucks and console cucks might have to refrain tho
>open link>48 minutes for a fucking controller???
>>738056359Holy shit, Valve is the most anti-consumer company out there right now.
>>738057810They're telling you essentially "maybe don't use an OS that's anti-consumer".
>>7380372868bitdo's dpads are fine. They're too stiff even. Playing games that have demanding diagonals is killing my thumb. Anbernic's dpad has a better dpad for diagonals (very high pivot). Both of them failed the contra test btw.
>>738037286>Aren't most dpads fucky for that?No. My PS4 controller passes the Contra test. My PS5 controller doesn't. It makes a huge difference in 2D games, and Contra is an excellent benchmark for it if you're familiar with it.
>>738035429What's the use of a test that zero modern controllers would pass?
>>738049276what do you mean by usable on desktop? literally only the trackpads function to move the mouse. you need to have steam running to be able to use the rest of the controller
Overly stiff dpads are kinda bad in their own way.Imagine the pain in the ass that would be pulling a shoryuken in SF2 if the snes pad didn't have that kind of Anti Contra wiggle room.
>>738056359the fuck is a lizard mode
>>738058394Android?
>>738060556It pretty much is, they're trying really hard to be apple with all the locking down of hardware and blocking installing things from outside poogle store arm Linux can't come soon enough
>>738056280Consoomers.Just like literally everything Valve showcased, it's all overpriced bullshit that isn't trying to compete with the existing market, they're trying to sell them to retards that make Steam their personality.The controller is overpriced and bad as a controller compared to it's competitors. The PC will be overpriced and bad compared to it's competitors. The VR is overpriced several times over compared to it's competitors.The only thing they actually did well was the SteamDeck and that's only because they sell them at a loss so it's not overpriced.
>>738060513These are random keys on the keyboard.
>>738033602What the fuck is a contra test?>its a made up term for tranny speedrunners which need a very specific controller to use for their transitionsWho the fuck is going to play contra on the steam OS???>admits the controller is great and that you can customize it however you wantSo its a good controller, got i
>>738033602I fixed your shitty controller, Valve, no need to thank me.
>>738061139I'd buy this for 30 bucks, provided that this thing supported xinput and direct input.
>>738033602on linux im sure the controller will have native implementation anyway like xbox and dualsense.
>>738033602the diagonals were impossible to press on the steam deckseems like they just overadjusted a bit. i'd rather have sensitive diagonals than have the dpad be unusable in certain games. (still not going to buy a steam controller though lmao)
>>738041418Heh, them thumb wigglas, amirite..
>>738061139Why not combine those two trackpads above the home button at that point?
>>738033602Good thing I wasn’t planning to use it to play fucking Contra
>>738061139Might as well use this at that point.
What is Contra test?
>>738033602I watched this whole video and it convinced me to buy one of these. Thanks, Steam marketer. Also learned about SISR which seems useful.
>>738061981Can your controller dpad maintain a down input when wiggling it
>>738060848>and bad as a controller compared to it's competitors.Name a controller that has more capabilities. PS4 and 5 controllers do have the main things I would want out of the Steam Controller, but the track pad is in a spot that is less convenient. They also lack the back buttons and various touch sensors in addition to being more likely to fail from drifting even though I've never personally had that issue. Being able to use basic controller features easily without Steam running would be nice on principal, but it is not something that will cause me problems in practice since I already go out of my way to use Steam Input to be able to make the best use of my current controller.
>pajeets and phoneposttards are pretending you don't need 3rd party software to use controller on PC>when gyro doesn't even work and all buttons and axis are inocrrect or doesn't work on DS4/5 pads without steam or ds4windwos or 360ce>when gamesaaaar uses their own 3rd party app>only xbox shit works out of box but it doesn't have any options SAARS
>>738062213If you don't need gyro, DS4/5 works fine as a directinput pad, but yes xinput is a lot easier for PC gaming
>>738062213I have an 8bitdo and that has pretty iffy software. Looking forward to getting a Steam controller.
>>738060556>The OS that's about to turn into an apple-like walled gardenPffft
>>738062569>The OS that's about to turn into an apple-like walled gardenSo SteamOS
>>738062569Did you know that you can run linux on it... thats not very "apple-like walled garden"
>>738062069You mentioned the PS4/5 controllers so compared to them it's missing a headphone jack, speaker, microphone and triggers that give resistance which is what makes driving and racing games better on them. What it does have over them is the back buttons but reports about their positioning are that they're uncomfortable, though that is all subjective.Launching a PS4/5 controller through Steam, like the Steam Controller requires allows you to assign a button to toggle gyro controls too so gyro control is even possible between the two.You can't compare it to other controllers because for what they add, they take away more compared to others and for a more expensive price, at double or triple depending on what you buy.At the same time the build quality I've watched and read complains. As well as the ergonomics on the grips being too steep and how the left stick going right and the right stick going left causes your fingers to touch which is the input of strafing right around a point.I'm not bothered if anyone wants to buy one, I'm simply disappointed. I'll be waiting for a third party to refine what the Steam Controller does for a better price.
>>738033602>Can't be used on PC Games other than Steam.Its a $100 ball & chain. What idiot would buy this crap?
>>738062593>comparing immutability that still allows you to install practically whatever you please that's not keeping an AUR package installed to "you cannot install an apk without going through 75 hoops and waiting 24 hours because what if your application is not approved by us"
>>738062676Wow anon did you know UTM can do the same on iPhones?
>>738062795>you cannot install an apk without going through 75 hoops and waiting 24 hours because what if your application is not approved by usWhat are you talking about
>>738033602>it doesn't pass the Contra testhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VhDC9lugv0IT'S OK WHEN NINTNEDO DOES IT!
>>738062968I-IT'S BETTER FOR FIGHTING GAMES
>>738033602meow
>>738062953Oh.Oh you don't know.You know what nevermind, suffer what's coming next year.
>>738045449>buttons are clearly smallerThats bad
>>738062993Go be snarky elsewhere then
>>738033602So basically wait for the Chinese clones that have better hardware and inputs and more expensive.Gotcha
>>738063112The chinese haven't even managed to create a dualsense clone, would they be able to do this?
>>738062968For all the complaints about the price I legitimately cannot understand what goes through someone's mind when they actually bitch about the price while comparing it to this piece of shit in particular. It is astounding how ass backwards that is.
>>738063229>I legitimately cannot understand what goes through someone's mind when they actually bitch about the price while comparing it to thisI have not seen a single soul do that
>>738063229The funniest part is Tendies pointing out a $10 difference when Nintendo is charging $10 more for games.
>>738063292Ye, people here are stupid but not stupid enough to buy Nintendo's shitty controller.
>>738063292Oh well, I guess from now on nothing exists without (You) seeing it
>>738062968>mfw I boughted
>>738063438It's fine young one. We all make mistakes.
>>738062696That explanation sounds like a difference in priorities rather than a clear better or worse since I've never actually used the features you mention with my PlayStation Controllers. Track pads are a high priority for me, so even comparing with a controller that already has them, simply moving them to a place where they are more comfortable and easier to use matters more to me than losing the features I haven't used on my current controller. I'm actually not sold on the touch sensitive sticks and grips yet, but I am looking forward to finding out what I can do with them.Complaints about ergonomics and build quality are harder to judge. It is hard to not find people complaining about build quality and issues no matter what controller you read about. I also like the ergonomics of the Playstation controllers despite /v/ insisting that I must be having to stretch my thumb to uncomfortable levels to reach the stick. I'm not going to deny there are potential problems there since I find the original Steam Controller uncomfortable and the buttons don't have a great feel. I'm just willing to give it a chance and judge for myself.> I'll be waiting for a third party to refine what the Steam Controller does for a better price.I hope it happens too. If there is anything I would want to get out of this, it is normalizing the design goals of the Steam Controller to make controllers more on par with keyboard and mouse. I generally just prefer controllers, so seeing them take steps to improve is really nice. Gyro by itself gets most of the way there and most controllers have it now, but the trackpads also add important utility.
>>738063383You are angry over a scenario you made up in your head
>>738043257>gamesirDont you have old people you should be scamming
>watch actual video>it's a fine dpad that might be a little on the sensitive side but works fineI have been trolled again.
why does this controller cause so much seethe?
>>738063653Not available or affordable in third world countries.
>>738063653consolecucks believed they can mooch off a premium controller by using it with their goy toys
>>738063653Because this controller is closed behind anti-consumer drm.
>>738062968just because nintendo sells a controller with a bad dpad doesn't mean valve selling a controller with a bad dpad is a good thing. console wars retard
>>738063515>I'm actually not sold on the touch sensitive sticks and grips yetI'm not specially sold on the touch function for the sticks because even when you actually can bind that to anything... why the fuck would you? It would imply you're playing something where you don't somehow need an analog stick but more buttons than the ones you have accessible (4 more plus the fucking trackpads) are necessary, it seems weird to me. I can't understand a situation where you'd need anything but maybe toggling gyro when you use that analog and from my testing it's fairly sensitive.>>738062696>Launching a PS4/5 controller through Steam, like the Steam Controller requires allows you to assign a button to toggle gyro controls too so gyro control is even possible between the two.You're assigning an existing button. If you're playing a game that requires the entire normal layout you're what, holding or toggling the touchpad? Even that gets used as an extra button in some games. Point is with the deck/steam controller you have a dedicated place you can normally use to either toggle gyro on or off without losing access to any other bindings (at the same time as well).
>>738063653It's a controller that mandates an account login and an app to be constantly running in order to use it properly. Any other company would get lambasted for this.
>>738063843>>738063932>Uses Windows>Moans about DRM of all things
>>738063987See >>738038893
I love how almost every anti-Steam Controller thread boils down to people getting pissed that it doesn't support Microsofts walled garden API (Xinput). The fucking irony calling people "Steamies" and "Valve drones" while actively gargling Microsofts balls is peak kek
>>738064064It does not support directinput either
>>738064038so just android? that's the only one that you should give lenience to
>>738064038>macOS>forces the appstore down your throat>Android>https://keepandroidopen.org/>Other linux distros>literally a fucking kernel patch
The ultimate controller
>>738040358>Show it running on any non-steam game without an overlay.The controller is not even OUT you fucking retard.Which is also the single reason you can make up these lies thread after thread.But not for long. In a few days this whole drama will end up as a nothingburger.
>>738063915That sums up my concerns over the stick touch sensor well. The grips seem much more useful for gyro activation or swapping action maps, but they are also the type of thing I will definitely activate on accident from gripping to tightly when under pressure. Depending on how things work out in practice I could see them becoming essential or useless. If I were making a controller, the triggers would have been my first choice on what to make touch sensitive. It would essentially be an alternative to two stage triggers and would work well with activating gyro when you have your finger on the trigger button.
>>738040358I can't
>>738064138>>738064174It's OK that their controller does not support the DirectInput standardTake gabe's cock out of your mouth before replying
>>738064454>the triggers would have been my first choice on what to make touch sensitive.In my case I do rest my fingers on the triggers often, so I don't know that I would want to have them activate when touching them.But the grips are also a place that I'd need to test to see if it really is worth using for anything other than gyro. Right now, I'm holding a DS5 and if -only- the inner bottom of the grips was sensitive I'd probably not accidentally do anything on it.
why do they keep fucking up d-pads it makes no sense
>>738033602Finally a good controller for overweight American hands.bigger, better, more expensive, the best. My fat white fingers feel GREAT baby. I will rape your satanic manlet ass soon.
>>738064621It doesn't support a Microsoft standard.It supports SDL3, that's an open standard, not Valve's. Maybe developers should use that instead. A lot of emulators do.Maybe take Satya Nutella's cock out of your mouth before replying.
>>738064621>proprietary directinput standard owned by microsoftyes, it's ok, eat shit winjeet
>>738064707>>738064737>it's a GOOD thing when it doesn't work unless you exclusively play games that use SDL3 or leave steam runningcattle.
>>738064807>it's a good thing they're not sucking up to microsoft by validating their headcanon standardsyes
>>738056359I wonder if the controller works on Android through steam link. Not that I'd think I'd use it, but it would be pretty neat
>>738064807Says the one sucking curry dick
>>738064621>>738064737>Microslop standard that isn't even supported natively by a lot of modern games>Even the 360 pad had a broken DirectInput implementation on purpose in order to force Xinput in more gamesDirectInput is effectively legacy or deprecated and you will have to run a translation layer for most games regardless.
>>738064880Making it work is not "sucking up", but deliberately not supporting any other protocol is shit for the consumer.
>>738033602Neither does the Switch 2 pro controller yet /v/ says that it's ok.
>>738064950do you fucking understand long term vs short term implications and why valve isn't retarded enough to sacrifice the former for the latter?let me guess, you're fucking obese because you don't understand that not stuffing yourself to the brim now will result in more happiness due to being healthier down the line even though food tastes good
>>738065074They could still support the short-term solutions to not inconvience the consumer. At the very fucking least, they could make the controllers lizard mode not utter shit.
Anti-steam pad /vee/ posting is so forced it's unreal.At this point I don't know if anons are baiting or they're actually retarded consolebabs who post on 4chan from phones and don't have PC.>need to use DS4Windows to make sony controllers work>but muuhhhh directInput!
>>738062993That shit has me spooked. I don't download third party apps a lot but I hate the idea of having to get apps only from the play store. I legit don't know what to do to avoid it though
>>738065145the only people this inconveniences are the people who are meant to be inconvenienced by being stuck to unhealthy habits like using poople or microjeet
>>738063112>Buy the Chinese clone>Have to use third party software to use the featuresBased retard
Imagine being old enough to remember the shitstorm that ensued when HL2 released and it required steam and everyone hated it because the idea of Valve deciding you have to install a launcher full of casual shovelware from popcap to play counter strike 1.6 or half life was unacceptable.Then you see the shit people say today and the blatant DRM fanboyism and it feels like an alternative universe.
>>738065196>the only people this inconveniences are the vast majority
>>738065163I-Is he gonna be ok?
>>738065193You can do fuck all, really, this even affects older phones that don't get system updates anymore but still have access to the play store.Best bet is either keep an offline device or maybe there's some bullshit solutions out there. The point is here is cattle complaining about smell when they bathe every single day in fecal matter.
>>738065261>blatant DRM fanboyismyeah, windowsall of the hate stems from low iq contrarian spergs with unearned attitude of seniority that refuse to adapt
>>738065261>Imagine being old enough to remember the shitstorm that ensued when HL2 released and it required steam and everyone hated itGaslighting.
Another valvejeet coping thread
>>738065239No man it's gonna make gyro and touchpads work through...xinput... and directinput...?
>>738065261Times have really changed. Steam has been around for so long now that people accept it as standard and don't question why a controller requires the user to login to an account and leave an app running to use its full featureset.
>>738065261>lived through the dark ages of pc gaming>saw steam revitalize it with cheap games>buy into the ecosystem yourself>no longer really carethe controller isn't for me, it's whatever. it's not like there aren't 50 other options out there.
>>738065292>vast majorityvast majority don't have a hateboner for valve and would add everything to steam to access steaminputvast majority don't have baby duck attachment to windows
>>738065356They can treat touchpads as raw mouse input on a virtual port.
>>738065384If you've been gaming on PC for a long time, you'll be aware that steam input does not solve every game's input problems. Sometimes you have to use the native standards instead
What I understand is that basically, it's very inconvenient to customers that somehow don't have Steam installed, and don't play any games that require anything but standard controls (no gimmicks because dinput/xinput held these back for decades) but still somehow decide to buy the $100 controller that's supposed to sell purely on those. I'd like to meet those people.
>*installs ScpToolkit malware to make his sonyjeet tendie saar pad properly work outside of steam*>valvejeets did this!Lole
>>738065459So no haptics, no trackball mode, no gestures, no custom command wheels, nothing like that?
>>738065526>it's very inconvenient to customers that somehow don't have Steam installedYeah. It's so inconvenient you need to install 3rd party app for gamesaar, 8bitdo, sony and nintendo gamepads but installing steam for steam controller?OVER THE LINE
>>738065325No every magazine I read back then complained about the steam requirement during their reviews. It was the only negative point mentioned.
>>738065523Damn that's so hard if only there was a way
>>738065682What third party app do you need for those?
>>738038893What happened to exclusivity being a good thing that fosters growth and innovation? Isnt that the talking point snoyggers and tendjeets love to peddle?
>>738065712and now the steam controller will be borderline useless
>I'm going to buy Valve's Steam Controller through their own store to play games on Tim Sweeney's platform insteadI kneel
>>738065689Name those magazines. I will google pdf archive and we will see the truth. I hope you're not from 3rd world country because it was released during Xbox era when entire 1st world was in Xbox Live
>>738065742Steam
>>738065790Show me one game that doesn't work with steam deck controls, right now.
>>738065816>I hope you're not from 3rd >entire 1st world was in Xbox Livelarper lmao
>>738065850Deck has a native fallback since it's running steamOS
>steam fanboys are brown larping as whitesSad!
>>738065831No you don't
>>738033784Works out of the box on Linux :)
>>738065941>Yeah i take a 20% performance cut but at least my controller works without spyware running in the background :')
>>738065889So it's a Windows problem?
>>738065985>cuthaha yeah :)
>>738065989Windows, MacOS, Android, anything besides Linux on an up-to-date kernel really.
>>738036026You not intending an input or not has nothing to do with whether or not you pushed the fucking switch. If you meant to hit square in a QTE and your fatass pressed square and x is that the controller's fault?
>>738065742For console pads >DS4Windows>InputMapper>DS4Tool>360ce>SteamHori, gamesaar, 8bitdo use their own software.Directinput is outdated total dogshit no one use even in porn games.
>>738066036Ah, I see. And what's preventing MS, Apple and Google from implementing that and adding it to their kernels?
>>738066110You don't always need the app, just the driver alone can work
>>738066146>And what's preventing MS, Apple and Google from implementing that and adding it to their kernels?Steam input is proprietary.
>>738066146>what's preventing MS, Apple and Google from implementing that and adding it to their kernels?Valve hasn't supplied drivers for them, they only bothered creating a linux driver.
>>738066027>my brown daddy told me it will be ok, things will get bett-https://www.neowin.net/opinions/microsoft-isnt-removing-copilot-from-windows-11-its-just-renaming-it/
>>738065865Yes you fukking jeet. Internet was everywhere in 1st world counties around 2004.Now name magazines.
>>73806623690% of the USA is third world tier poverty
>>738065682retard
>>738066157>just the driver alone can work99% of games don't recognize anything but xbox gamepads. >>738066284Retarded jeet you can't even set deadzones or activate gyro without 3rd party apps or steam.
>>738066334Yes, and 99% of 3rd party gamepads pretend to be an Xbox 360.
>>738066393Only if you install their apps (drivers). This is sole point why you need them.
>>738066334>99% of games don't recognize anything but xbox gamepadsYou can download a driver to translate dinput to xinput (vigembus)
>>738066201It was an SDL driver if I am not mistaken because the controller works with SDL
>>738066453You do not need to install anything if a controller is already using xinput
>>738066458You better to not install anything from Nefarius desu.
>>738066543>You better to not installSAAARR
>>738040807>directionbrain calling others cultistsel ou el
>>738066570>Nefarius shillSAAAAR INSTALL MALWARE
>>738066190Wrong answer>>738066201Right answerThe problem is Valve's wired protocol, if you're gonna ditch steam input anyways, what the fuck does it matter it's proprietary
https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/45479024/view/508485755865138098?l=englishthat's pretty cool ngl
>>738066601>shilling open sourceYou're a special kind of retard
>>738066503>controller is already using xinputXinput doesn't even have gyro support and all other functions of modern controllers. You need to unstill 3rd party app.
>>738065985LMAO what a faggot https://youtube.com/watch?v=LJEo6Kb6Rhg&pp=0gcJCd4KAYcqIYzv
>>738066453No. They are recognized by some driver that already comes with Windows. On one of the 8BitDo I had, you needed to enable Xinput mode on the gamepad first with some button combination, but that's a matter of just reading the manual.
>>738066729>You need to unstill 3rd party app.SAAR
>>738066758buy an ad
>>738066729What is most retarded to me about xinput is that if it did indeed support gyro, a good amount of games would come out with support of it (and without extensive settings or workarounds needed). It's something that could become a standard but wasn't purely and uniquely because of Microsoft.
>>738066642>he doesn't know Nefarius >probably retarded sonytardSaar support Nefarius Software Solutions™Open source saar! It's safe saar!Gamepad work on pc no steam saar!
>>738066813just spin up an azure instance and ask copilot powered by chatgpt to vibe code you a driver that supports gyro, retard
>>738066729> Lies> Lie doesn't work> Moves goalpostI don't need gyro or any of your gay zoomer shit. As you said, most games don't support them anyway.
>>738066627Neat
>>738066813xinput is basically legacy at this point, microsoft have been slowly developing gameinput as a replacement which may or may not amount to anything.
>>738033602how come we can have quantum physics joysticks but the d-pad is still the same squishy shit? what does peak d-pad even look like?
>>738066872>hyperventilating this hard
>>738038501Just because you're too chucked by corporations to fight for your right of ownership, doesn't mean everyone should just give up.With that said, the SC works natively on Linux, so it's fine. Shindows users can suck it.
>>738066835>can see the entire source codeWhere's the malware?
>>738037275>trannite
>>738066896This is a 10 year old problem at this point
>>738033602Surprise surprise valve creates another shitty product for their cultist fanbase
>>738066882>lost argument>I DON'T NEED DA ZOOMER SHITLOL>most games don't support them anywayYes, retarded consoletard. That's why we The Master Race can use third party apps or steam to make it work in all games. Emulators. Even your phoneshit.
>>738066983Retard
>>738066961>doesn't know how people hide malware is open source projects SAAR DOWNLOADING DA BUS DRIVER MY SONYSENSE WORK GOOD NO STEAM SAAR
>>738066956Somewhere up the thread there's a table saying there's no mainline Linux support.
>>738067040>ESL projecting this hard
>Retard
Being forced out of Windows is very, very anticonsumer, you fat fuck you best watch your 10 yachts they're not gonna be there tomorrow
>>738067052if bazzite has it then any distro has it by installing a single package
>hes a shartyniggerHAHAHAHA
>>738067071>ESLGOD btfoes EOPfag who unironically uses malware to make his shit ching ching gamepad work on jeetdows
>>738067128Rocknix doesn't have it
>>738067128Who knows. It could be that they merged the driver into the kernel, while mainline Linux didn't. At this point we cannot believe anything that shills say.
>>738067194just add the correct repo and install it then
>>738067231You can't, different kernel
>>738066923>what does peak d-pad even look like?I wish I knew. GBA SP? Not aware of a modern USB controller that has the same feel/accuracy. Tried the Hori pokken controller, but it was awful because in Wario Land 4 it somewhat commonly interpreted "down" (making Wario duck/crawl) when I was just trying to move around normally left and right.
>>738067194rocknix isn't fucking mainline, it's niche arm shit>>738067219then any gamer related distro will do the same within a day of this thing releasing if they haven't already
>>738067269so add a patch to the kernel or install a different onenot exactly difficult
>>738067319You literally can't
>>738067307my guess is russ just listed the non-standard linux shit (chinkheld linux) to make people aware
>>738067348So is it because of the architecture that you can't? How did you ascertain this?
>>738067269update your kernel then
>>738067367ThisI think when he put "other linux", what he really meant was "alternative linux" as in not mainline
>>73806626490% of the US is richer than your noname shithole
>>738067307>armWell I'm sure there will official support for it once the frame launches.
>>738067429>>738067435Just read up on what rocknix is and what it's used for jesus christ anons
>Linux shillsDon't care about your cringe OS. Only SteamOS is good.
>>738067502>immutable>armso it's less "you can't" and more "it's a monumental fucking pain in the ass that you'd rather wait for the developers to do for you instead".
>>738067516steamos is arch and cachyos minusliterally no advantage to it unless you're too stupid for anything else
>>738067557Quicker to just say you can't
>>738067604It would be accurate to say that you and I can't, but it wouldn't be accurate to say that it can't be done
>>738067652How pedantic
>>738067591it's advantageous on the deck if you want stabilityI used cachyOS handheld a few months ago and I didn't have a good time, I got raw performance in exchange for my buttons not working half of the time (had to turn off the screen and back on to make them work).
>>738067682Well anon, you and I cannot make HDMI 2.1 work perfectly on linux on AMD, but something sure is being done about it.When you think about the purpose of Rocknix, it would be in their interest to add Steam controller support, so it's just a matter of time
>>738067307Instead of vague promises Valve could just explain the state of its Linux driver in terms that Linux users understand.
If linux is so great for gaming why arent AAA devs using it
>>738067591>steamos is arch and cachyos minusSteamOS was made by professional high IQ Valve software engineers with decades of experience. It was designed for humans.Cachyos and other Linux based shit is made by autistic aliens with no qualification. It wasn't designed for human beings. Autistic aliens can't design software for humans. They only can create imitation. Their mind doesn't operate like ours.
>>738067769Until that day, claiming it works with any distro simply is not true. Better to say it should work with most mainline distributions, with maybe some small setup (i.e. a package install)
>>738067836steamos was created for dumb humans with little computer experience
>>738067836To better illustrate my point. Google SteamOS. Read about SteamOS on official valve siteNow google CachyOS. Open their site. What the fuck is this? What the fuck am I reading? This isn't SteamOS at all. Alien software for autist. >>738067968Yeah but if you're so smart why are you posting from your phone on basket weaving forum our of all places? Or playing games with graphical interface.
>>738067962Ok, who's being pedantic now? Most distros are x86 and not immutable.
>>738067836>>738068154This is an obvious shitpost but at the same time you're not entirely wrong. I strongly feel that most distros failed to create an intuitive experience for the end user, and it's been a problem for decades.
>>738068236I didn't pluck Rocknix as an example out of thin air, it's what the guy reviewing it actually uses for one of his handhelds. That's why it's pointed out specifically here >>738038893It's more than reasonable IMO to make it clear for the non-linux masses that non-mainline distros are unlikely to work.
>>738068154>What the fuck is this? What the fuck am I reading?Linux talk for existing linux users.
>>738068372That's definitely a failure on his part
>>738068442How?Rocknix uses a different kernel, it is not currently compatible so he's right.
>>738068154nigger, linux doesn't have a one size fits all solution because it actually allows for variance in behaviourif you get some experience with linux or if you're willing to learn then you'll know what those terms meannow look at an actual starter distrohttps://bazzite.gg/
>>738068374To be fair a lot of linux users don't give a fuck about schedulers and don't know what the fuck PGO and BOLT are
>>738068470I mean it's simple, he listed the two distros that have handheld versions as the two that work, and "Other Linux" can be fairly misleading.
>>738068493You can infer the gist of what they are based on the context they're presented in.
>>738068480To me bazzite is not really a good starter distro. It's a "it works for me" or "it doesn't" distro. It has a barrier not present in different distros for new users that don't have standard hardware or want to get something a little bit esoteric to work, because they cannot touch the system files without doing some convoluted shit.
>Currently, CachyOS uses fish as the user’s default login shell.Funky.
>>738068759starter distro has a connotation that you're using something standardit's not some minmaxed distro like puppy linux that aims to just be tiny and light and nothing else for niche shit
>>738069114Yeah but there are "standard" things that do not really work out of the box. Since we're on the very topic of gamepads, there's some chinese controllers that actually still legitimately need you to add a kernel boot parameter, an evdev rule and in some cases enable the xpad module if it's not enabled. I can be a windows user and buy super duper chinese controller with TMR sticks, mechanical buttons, gyro, trigger stops, 1000hz polling rate wirelessly and all of that crap and whoops, not working on bazzite by default. What in the goddamn--
