branching class system are so cool bros....
that's just 6 classes with 2 specs each.
>>738094417God damn that's one dense and complicated class system, makes my head hurt
>>738094417>sniper to bardhuh
>game has a class system hardly anyone knew about
what the fuck is a whitesmith???
>>738095554He forges gemeralds
>>738095554It's like a blacksmith but a little more evolved and racially superior
>>738094417what is the point in classes like super novice
>>738094417>Romanians are a classNice.>>738095554Aryan race exclusive class.
>>738094417Bard and Clown building off of the Archer class upsets me greatly.
>>738095554https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitesmithreal thing apparently
>>738095701>they're so racist they refuse to touch any metals that aren't whitejesus christ.
>>738094417Poor man’s multiclass. Choosing multiple classes and keeping all their skills is itself just an even poorer man’s respeccable talent tree. Which is also pretty poor, because there’s always a correct choice and you’re not actually choosing anything.
>>738095685>useless faggot turns into a slightly less useless faggotmakes sense to me
>>738095492Those are different branches, you pick hunter or bard
I fucking love Super Novice bros.
>>738095767It's a not a multiclass though. It is a job system.
>>738095701Interesting
>>738094417>gypsies are a highest level classis this true?
>>738095685You'd think Bard would be off of an Acolyte or Magician no? Then Monk (martial) could be from Thief and Assassin and Assassin Cross could be bow users
>>738095685Bard is dexterity based, and doesn’t use healing magic. It plays music to buff your party by moralizing them. If bard is healing then that’s literally wrong, bards don’t heal. Music can’t heal a wound, but it can buff and debuff.
>>738094417>tfw wanted to be a blacksmith>forged weapons are trash and there's no reason to make them
>>738094417Always weird to me how Archer never became Rogue / Stalker and how Thief never became Clown / Gypsy.Makes more sense for performance, charisma and trickery from a shady thief and tracking, hunting, and stalking from being an outdoorsy archer.
>>738095983Thats a different type of bard. So a magician that learns to play music, can still heal. But he will be playing worse music than an archer who did the same thing, because he has his stats in int instead of dex/agi. Which is how you get more powerful guitar riffs.
>>738095983Monks in Ragna are the religious kind. They just tend to punch things.
>>738095668I had one. Super Novice could learn skills from any tier 1 job also had a secret superpower that made them invincible at 99% exp
>>738094417>blacksmith -> Whitesmith lol
>>738095983Nah Archer works here cause his weapon uses a string, makes sense to go in to string instruments
>>738095554You're not white, you wouldn't get it.
>>738096235In the US whitesmith was renamed to mastersmith to avoid controversy
You forgot a couple
>>738095906Yeah the job system is worse than the multiclass system. And both of these are shit tier systems anyways, basically just any type of integrated power up system involving talent or skill allocations is archaic design from an era where it was normal to shit your pants because you didn’t even have a change of clothes.
>>738095958This arrangement of fft jobs is upsetting. I know it's for aesthetics but it gives the impression squire / chemist are directly required for dancer / bard with the way the arrows pass through / under them.
>>738096340Man I wish renewal was good cause some of those sprites are nice
>>738094417Linker was the most fun I had. Taking shortcuts by jumping through the castles was the cat's pajamas.
>>738094417suno job change is at 45...
>>738095492>sniper to bardshot to the heart
>>738096354But it does make sense in ragnarok as an mmo and arguably to this day, no game has bothered to make a job system as unique as it is, since I guess Tree of Savior. Sure it would be annoying as a single player game but in RO, Merchants were the only jobs who could actually sell and peddle items for example. Knights and Crusaders were the only ones who could use mounts. Alchemists were the only ones who could craft potions. Blacksmiths were the only ones who could craft items. Thieves and their subclasses were the only ones who could hide and disappear, etc. Hell, priests were the only ones who could conduct wedding ceremonies between 2 players.
>>738096046In tos you had to find a blacksmith to upgrade your weapon, and he had to actually make like a portal and everyone had to go into the portal and clear a dungeon. Lol I did it once and was like shitting myself that I got so lucky to actually find a guy willing to do this mechanic for me for literally no personal profit. Like to actually pay somebody to do this type of thing would technically be like $10 usd in in game currency, which is a lot of farming. Blacksmith class is a shit archetype because it relies on player communities, but it’s essentially just selling your actual labor and your actual labor is going to be worth a lot more than its comparative in game value.
>>738096591Nah that’s cheap shit for gooks. Wows class system is much less bullshit, it’s no nonsense. Thats not even interesting class design, it’s cheap as fuck. Actual game balance is where the real value is, not just labelling it a fucking random word like “clown” and saying it’s fun. That game was probably terribly balanced.
>>738095492>>738095685For reasons obscure to me there are multiple eastern games where bards are associated with archery. Final Fantasy XIV does this too. I can only think it's because they both involve stringed tools (bows/lutes).>>738096186Another strange thing is that eastern media sometimes depict monks as Catholic monks that punch people. You'd think they would be aware, being asian, that the monk class is based on Buddhist monks.
>>738096784To be fair, Diablo 3 did the same. The monk there while aesthetically the same as the buddhist monks, are lorewise part of the orthodox christianity analogue faith.
>>738095958Gypsy is really shit and no-one plays it. Its the only class in Ragnarok that has different skills depending on male or female. Clown has infinitely better skills and buffs everyone wants and stronger overall weapons. Gypsy has buffs no-one wants, the Ensemble abilities are too fiddly to set up in normal gameplay and her aoe stun is more easily countered than Clown's Frost Joke. Only thing Gypsy has going for it is larger selection of mid-tier elemental whips or whips with bonus effects, which Clown doesnt get.
>>738096590sensiblechuckle.gif
>>738096340I've never played Keknewal. Is it worth trying out for the new classes or for Hypernovice?
>>738095494Slander.That's not what a grey hat hacker is. It's hacking for the benefit of citizens, whether that's releasing confidential files that expose corruption or releasing the entire book cirriculum that would otherwise cost thousands for students. This opposed to white hats that are corpo slaves and black hats that exploit for personal gain.
>>738097436>animal sidekick
>>738096340They redesigned the 3rd classes? They look pretty shit compared to the originals.
>>738097436>don cheadle kills some kids petThis is funnier than it should be
>>738095958
>>738096340didn't even know 4th jobs existed, for good reason their 'fits fucking suck
>>738097535he punched the big tiddy princess too
DFO did this better than Ragnarok.
>>738097561>full party of moogle jugglersSorry computer, I've decided you don't get any turns this playthrough.
ok I know this is not something normal to ask especially on an anonymous website but I need to know where you fags are from in a Ragnarok threadHow many here are from Southeast Asia, Latin America or NA? I seriously need to know. I refuse to believe even a single european is on this thread, and if there are, they are obligated under death penalty to state that they're actually european and play Ragnarok Online
i don't like "flavor camp" -tier advancements i prefer shit like digimon is that the same thing? i hear dpeople nitpick jobs form evolutions and i get why, but... lol
>>738095494All four of the bottom are the same. They’re all state sponsored retards who sow chaos and social justice retardation
When is the next Diddler test? I wanna play some not-janky RO again...
>>738094417>>738096340Is it worth it to play ragnarok online in current day if I never played it before?Also is there any single player game with similar branching class system?
>>738095454I understand it fine, you are just a retard xD
>>738098221nothe private servers and official servers both suck unless you live in japan or korea
>>738098221Not really. It was best experienced during the golden age of the internet when nobody knew what they were doing.
>>738098221uaRO is a good private server for beginners, it's about the closest you will get to the classic experience but without the soul crushing exp and drop rates
>>738098221>Is it worth it to play ragnarok online in current day if I never played it before?Yeah find a populated low-rates server and have fun for a couple of months. Dont go in expecting a typical MMO, treat it more like Diablo 2. Like 90% of the game is just leveling up and farming better gear so you can level up and farm gear faster. There's not really any endgame, raids, dungeons or guild-based group activities. like 3~10x exp rates is considered "low rates" in RO cuz 1x is actually so grindy it makes MapleStory look casual by comparison.
>>738097705>I refuse to believe even a single european is on this threadwhy would I be ON this threadI am IN it
>>738096784Like, I get the idea.Archers and Bards are standing on the outskirts of fights, but it's still stupid.
>>738096340I always roll a taekwon ranker if the ranks are not too unobtainable. Something about exploring the world looking for mobs is very chill. Plus, it's one of the cutest sprites
>>738099320>if the ranks are not too unobtainableRanks made some of RO's classes straight up unplayable. like no point rolling an alchemist or taekwon most of the time because some sweaty faggot from 12 years ago already killed 10 million mobs.
>>738099145you're stupid
>>738094417why has no one made a fuckhuge version of thislike 2000 branching classes (more like a directed acyclic graph tho)
>>738094417>Gypsie job>doesn't comes from thiefOne fucking job
>>738096340Soulless
>tree of savior was supposed to be the true successor to RO>it flopped spectacularly due to mismanagementI will forever mourn tree of savior.
>>738098221Play on Ragna/v/It's a midrate at 7x to cut the grinding a bit but not high enough to go cuckoo bananas. A good balance
>>738099610Yea, servers that don't have a fall off period or something to mitigate that are a pain. Ranker is still my favorite class to play but it's far from being something well implemented to the game.
tos had a wonderful class system with its circle systemi just think you should have been able to pick any combination rather than the progressive class unlock
If you never killed pic related on a non-babby server you didn't beat the game.
>>7381005915x or bust.7x just fills the server with sincrosses
>>738098703>There's not really any endgame, raids, dungeons or guild-based group activities.Tartarus? ET? Niddhog?
>>738098221>Also is there any single player game with similar branching class system?Yes.
>>738100772>renewal shit
>>738100979>shitter outs himselfYou've never seen that MVP, right?
>>738098221It's called playing as a Sniper.
Man Its so fun playing this game back in the day. My build was an agi crit monk, it was shit as I basically still rely on asura strike. No stat reset back then so I was stuck
>>738100795>nushitGlast Heim was kind of it, you basically had to group up to go there back in the day. Magma dungeon sometimes too. I miss Seals when you'd go there on a Friday night and there'd be 20-30 people fighting over claim between ganking each other. Someone's e-girlfriend would get ganked and some fag SinX would show up with half his guild to camp the zone entrances.
>>738096340i wish the classes after 2nd class were another branch instead of upgradei even forgot the storyline why you rebirth
>>738104727All I remember of the actual rebirth quest was some divine intervention ass-pull, it's pretty obvious that Gravity's solution to get people to play the game more was to just make them grind to max lvl twice.
>>738095554HistoricallyWorks with the "white" metals like tin, zinc, pewter, some brasses, silver - and some specialty gold alloys
>>738094417>Lord KnightDon't mind me, just BOWLING BASHing my way to end game
>>738100781Snipers*
>>738094417wtf is a whitesmith?
>>738094417Female priest is cute I wish there was more art of her.
>>738104928Think blacksmith but for more fine delicate work.Yes, it's (was?) a real thing AFAIK.
>>738094417RO has incredibly shallow classes. Basically just cosmetic with a few different skills.
>>738095685Archeryfags being low-level clowns makes sense to me
>>738105073The saltiest Tree of Savior poster i've ever seen
>>738097416>game has different class builds but one 1 is worth investing depending on where you first spawn
>>738104873The meta for lord knight was using pole axe and getting buffed by a bard for 3x spiral pierce damage
>>738105291>one 1only*
>>738095554A superior smith.
>>738096340Gotta miss class based games though. Now it's just all gacha.
>>738105513Monk can one shot any class in that pic
>>738105513Wasn't there 3rd classes like Dragon Knight or Rune Knight?
what happened to the new class lines? They announced them last year and it's still no done?
>>738105691Rune knight, Royal guard, Guillotine cross, Shadow chaser etc
>>738094417>merchantNeed more packrat classes.
>>738095554Yakub was the original whitesmith.
I fapped to the female ninja art so fucking much back then. I think ragna was many kid's sexual awakening back the
>>738098221I think its worth dropping in to play until you get bored. Official server, Private server, doesn't matter. Most of the charm of ragnarok is just seeing the cool sprite art. the quests are basic, and the interface straddles the line of just inconvenient enough to be kinda fun.
>>738105035>>738104928Yeah, Whitesmith would work with precious metals like gold or silver.
>>738105881Let me guess, his party goes on to do much worse without him because they for some reason needed a guy standing there holding all of their shit in order to survive so much as a fight against three inbred goblins?Where the fuck is the story where the MC gets kicked from his group because he's genuinely just a useless leech, consuming resources and never contributing?
>>738105881SHOELACE SAMA
>>738094417That's only 6 classes with 2 subclasses.Now imagine if you could multiclass between them and we are starting to get somewhere.
>>738096590kill yourself
Man, I remember when assassin's cloaking required you to stick to walls making it only useful for dungeons meanwhile rogues could cloak anywhere. Assassin's gimmick, grim tooth, also fucking sucked. I think it took guilotine cross for them to be actually cool.
I'm surprised so few games make use of class/job progression and evolution.
>>738095554'whitesmithing' is for soft metals like tin and silver. They're typically the ones that make things like kitchen utensils. As for the class in RO it's the blacksmith but does refining instead of forging, which is better.
>>738107113What about SB?
>>738107273
>>738107453Branching class paths not just based on what class you chose but also race
>>738107574
>>738107628All with their own differences not only in racial ability but the classes themselves are different from their counterparts in different races.
>>738107680And of course there's just unique classes to each race that do their own special thing that no one else does. I.e. dwarf spoiling and crafting
>>738106663Everyone thinks the Gopher's job is useless until he isn't there to go for things.
>>738094417I stopped playing long before the bottom row happened but I miss Fly For Fun and its circus themed classes. They were mostly just basic rpg classes but with a different name and look. Was something different I guess.
>>738106336>I think ragna was many kid's sexual awakening back theYou're goddamn right, but for me was the priestess.
>>738106336EVERYONE fapped to Ragnarok online art, They did something absolutely fucking genius: They made the characters take their clothes OFF the higher class advancements you got, so everyone wanted to be the highest level naked characters and thus stuck around. It's a genius way to make people play the game. Nowadays, MMOs just put all the outfits characters like the Dancer and the Ninja would wear into the cash shop and make all classes look like generic unisex orcs wearing plate mail.
>>738095668to fill the RP part of MMORPG.
>>738107273Class system is everywhere in the right genres. Evolutions though are rightfully phased out when the only difference they really make are the cosmetics. Now cosmetics are being sold directly so evolutions are moot.
>>738106336Ninja girls were the most erotic class and I will die on that hill. Miss me with scantly clad classes like blacksmith or dancer lines.
>>738108716NahHigh Wizard
>>738095668Super Novice was the first "There's Mew Hidden Under the Truck" tier secret in an MMO from memory. It's what created all these anime spinoffs of "I PICKED NOVICE BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE THE STRONGEST CLASS???" anime that plague every season.Yeah, sure Jimmy from school, there is absolutely a super-secret class that requires you to take the weakest class in the level cap despite the fact it just has two basic attacks. I believe you, yup yup. Sure Jimmy.
>>738105881I love how ragnarok is one of the few games that did merchant right. >Start poor and have few items the class feels like hot garbage and all you can really do is auto attack.>As you earn a little you get a cart to hoard your murder-gotten gains to save as a nesteg>Once you get more loot the weight of your cart gets heavier, you get to swing it around as a stronger attack.>Then when you sell and sell you get so rich you literally just smash the enemies with your wealth.It's a simple concept but it just worked so well.
>>738095454
Let me guess, you need more?
>>738109014Heh classic Jimbo I've fucked his mom
>>738106336I blame ragnarok for my love for pelvic curtains
>>738095454it literally isnt
>>738108901Best of the original classes. Top threeNinja > HW > Alchemist
Where is /v/ playing?
>>738095650Kek
>>738109337The fact that you change classes mid-battle when using summons because the djinn are now on standby and this drop in class can mean a huge tank in stats is why I usually stick to mono-element classes when playing Golden Sun.
>>738094417>game has one singular class that branches and none of the others do
>>738095454no that's this raging insanity.Oh you hit a certain level?>You can now pick a new class>Or double down on the class you already are.>Oh and more get added each time you go up.>And you can mix, match, double dip or triple dip into any class you want but you only get ONE choice every 15 levels even if you double dip.>Well also except that class or the other class you have to do a quest to unlock first on top of get to the right level range.I want some of the drugs whoever designed ToS original class system was taking.
>>738109521Uaro
>>738109801ToS's sprite work is too fucking godly to be wasted on such a messy janky game. It's fucking criminal.
>>738109407I LOVE LONG LEGS
>>738110089I feel bad about it because it's clear most of the planning went into the art. The actual game was nothing like what it was advertised to be before launch. Someone on the dev team even said "NO THEME PARKS", and guess what the game was like when it left open.
Does anyone play on TalonRO?
>>738111106no, what reason should I?
>>738095668Super Novice was a challenge mode class. It was the token "has skills from every class but is a bit shit at all of them" class. Its main challenge was having limited gear choices and heavily restricted max HP, but it was helped out by having unique bonuses, higher stats, instant casting spells and flexibility. I used to be a Super Novice main and shit was hilarious dunking people in PVP that were thinking I was an easy kill. Only classes I couldnt reliably 1v1 were Paladins (which was a stalemate) and Monks/Champs (who had to get the drop on me first. Every MMO has to have that one weird fringe class that only 4-5 people actually know how to play and is secretly good and a lot of fun.
I remember that chemists/biochemists are cracked against MVPs. They just straight up melt them using acid bomb
>>738106336>>738107940Damn you niggas must be old as fuck. I did the same thing back then.
>>738107574is lineage 2 worth playing i always use to see adds for it in magazines and the bit of music i heard from it was pretty nice
>>738109801ToS was such a junk kino...
Since this is an RO thread, I'll post this here as well. Tree of Savior private servers are, after 10 years of slow development, finally a thing. It's open source, too.>>7380973294th job has some very good concepts but they aren't used in any meaningful way because the only gameplay in Renewal is to press button to clear every monster on screen>>738097517jRO had their unique sprites to go along with their unique implementation of Renewal. Later these got backported into other versions as alt costumes.
>>738094417>gypsy not being an evolved thief class
>>738100756Later on that's what they did. You just pick out any 3 classes in the modern version of the game.>>738100573We can fix it.https://github.com/NoCode-NoLife/Melia>>738106336We didn't really call it that back then, but if RO came out today, we would 100% call it a monstergirl game.>>738109801The concept of hidden classes was such an obtuse thing. One of those ideas that was probably thrown during a brainstorm session and didn't get cut out when it should have.
>>738095454You're an autistic retarded niggerConsider livestreaming your suicide
>>738109801really need someone to just steal all of ToS' spritework and make an actually playable game with them. It's pretty, OST is ok, not RO level but what is. It could be such a good fucking game
>>738115961That's what tos pservers actually are. They use the same engine, maps, music, characters, skills, etc. But all of them made unique mechanics, damage stats, scaling, etc. Everything related to numbers was thrown out.
>>738094417>change into higher class>character gets a sexier outfitthat's how you really motivate people.
>>738096340that monk line is so funny, all the classes made you more buff martial artist but then you go back to be a robed-up dweeb at the final job.
>>738096340the only 3rd class that looks good is Rune Knight holy robe-slop
>>738116041I've quite literally have never heard of them. Any you'd recommend?
>>738116675See this I posted on the other MMO thread.>>738095358>>738095498Basically, Seed of Yggdrasil if you want a complete experience that won't go anywhere from here and has crazy numbers popping, or Laima if you want a more bare experience that will improve over time, with more casual numbers and grind.https://laimawiki.servegame.com/index.php/Main_Page
>>738097561>full Viera party>full Summoners with blood magic and double castBunny harem go BRRRRRRRRR
>>738095494What about transhackers, you transphobic bastard!
>>738096590
>>738094417Sage > Professor cuckRogue > Stalker creepBard > Clown fag
>>738110929ToS had a pretty good balance of structured vs open world content at launch the main problem was non boss monsters didn’t actually do anything
>>738110089>>738115961>sprite workwutonly the heads and hats were 2D, everything else was 3Dunless we're talking about like, the NPC cutout portraits
>>738095554the evolved version? is that how these job classes work?
