Xbox is literally holding back the industry by refusing to implement gyro controls.

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>switch 2 sells out
>ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY, SCALPERS
>valve product sells out
>IT'S A SUCCESS
and then you look at sales numbers and the switch 2 outsold the deck's entire lifetime in less than a month

>>738268950
FUCK, I was on the road.

So has anyone's order been packaged yet? Haven't checked the threads for a couple hours.

>low stock item sold out
In other news, water is wet

>>738268950
Gyro controls are a gimmick like motion controls were in the Wii era.

>>738268950
Meanwhile my wired Dualshock2 is still going strong with PCSX2 for nearly a quarter century

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>>738268950
Speaking of Valve raising the bar, where the fuck is the reprint of this?

>>738269360
they also celebrated the steam deck selling out
only for it to sell even worse than the ps vita

So does any PS5 or Switch 2 below MSRP. Your point?

>>738269463
>Meanwhile my wired Dualshock2 is still going strong with PCSX2 for nearly a quarter century
That's the sad part isn't it. Controllers have barely improved since the PS2, hell they've objectively gotten worse in terms of build quality.

>>738269362
>Gyro controls are a gimmick like motion controls were in the Wii era.
The Wiimote was amazing tech ruined by the fact that it was associated with Nintendo. They literally tainted the idea of motion controls for 20 years

>>738269684
Sony should have focused on a better storefront and not getting hacked, maybe then their glorified Kindle for VNs wouldn’t have died on the vine. I’m sure a Wii-U tablet peripheral will sell much better, for something your phone can do.

>>738271551
The Vita failed because they tried to push it as a portable PS3 when nobody wants to play big AAA games on the go

>>738271551
>>738272663
the vita failed because they made no attempt whatsoever to make games for it
also expensive proprietary memory cards, so paying the console full price wasn't enough because you couldn't even save your game files

>>738272663
Lol what? That premise is exactly why the Switch and Steam Deck have done well.

>>738273917
This anon knows it. The games they did release were so fucking half baked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm-O7D0JNnM

>>738269362
Gyro options would have been standard by now if not for xbox. There's nothing gimmicky about it, you're barely moving controller if the game has good gyro implementation.

>>738269252
I'm starting to think it's not Snoys shitting on tendies, but Valvefags stirring up shit with both fanbases.

>>738273917
I should also say, I’m not a Tendie or a Snoy. But the failure of the PSP family and it’s mishandling quite literally forced an industry intervention by Steam. Nobody wants a Microsoft handheld and I would probably still choose an AYN Odin model over it. The lack of handhelds is a serious health indicator for the industry, smartphones only exacerbate this.

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What are the impressions on the HD rumble? I really like it in the dualsense

>>738274215
>Nobody wants a Microsoft handheld
The Rog Ally line is actually selling pretty well, but the problem has always been the price.

>>738274746
That is Microsoft attaching itself to something, and not an actual Xboy, sorry.

>>738268950
What about games? Does he make any of those?

>>738270214
Never even heard of stick drift until ps4, its been a straight decline in quality.

So tired of valvjeets.

>>738269360
Water isn't wet, retard

>>738276927
Mad lol

>>738275412
Microsoft shills pushing the indian meme instead of the tranny meme makes sense I guess, write what you know

>>738268950
>>Steam Controller sold out within 30 minutes
>Scalpers rape Valvetrannys 30 minutes in

GOOD

>>738277341
I buyed mine, not my problem

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I stole all the steam machines.

>>738277654
Looks musky

>>738274121
Xbox players consist of retarded dudebros who refuse gyro out of principle

>>738277000
>>738278663

>>738269360
Bro the batches they make are enough to pay back the costs, it's basic economics

mine has been packaged bros
it’s happening

>>738276583
Only powdered water isn't wet smart guy.

>>738269252
>Console available in every video game store on earth vs console and controller that only a niche audience with an account on an online video game storefront can get
Yeah, that's a success

>>738274185
Only Tendies are shitting on Snoys
They love kicking the same dead horse 24/7

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>no adaptive triggers

It's over.
Just kidding these things fucking suck, does anyone actually like these? Literally feels like your controller is broken

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>>738275412
>So tired of valvjeets.

>Controller for PC games
whats the point?

>>738279737
I like both controllers and mouse and keyboard and this is the closest to the best of both worlds

>>738279737
Playing with a controller on your pc

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>>738279737
So I can stop playing games on my couch like this

>>738279453
I think it's neat, but it's planned obsolescence disguised as a gimmick.

>>738279203
Why would Valveetas shit on Snoys? We have all their games.

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Try out gyro controls in Splatoon
>Almost break my wrist trying to twist my controller while trying to use the joysticks at the same time
>End up fracturing my thumb when unplugging my joycons from the Switch anyways
Gyro fucking sucks. The main problem with the gyros in any controller is that whenever you turn them too fast it makes your wrist snap to 180 degrees. I don't get how youre supposed to use this.

>>738270214
>>738269463
The PS2 will automatically recalibrate its analogue sticks for you. In the instruction manual it tells you to that if it starts drifting to just rotate the sticks a full 360 a few times. It then knows enough to figure out how it needs to be set to no longer drift. The analogue controls themselves do get shittier over time, but they don't ever actually start drifting as long as you spin em.

>>738268950
>>738265628

>>738280562
You just sound like an idiot. The way Splatoon's controls works is that you use the right stick mostly to aim horizontally and use motion aiming to make small adjustments to your horizontal aiming and you use only motion aiming to look up and down. It's so much better than keyboard + mouse it's not even funny when you get the feel for it. All of Nintendo's mainline games use it now too, it's the exact same as the aiming for the bow in Breath of the Wild.

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>>738268950
>Be born jewish
>Create the first digital-only game platform where you own nothing and you are happy
>Do nothing to improve gaming whatsoever for 20 years
>Win because you paid people to shill your scam on the internet
>Buy yacht

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>>73828069
HOO BOY here comes the switch shills.
My wrist involuntarily snaps to the side because of how the controllers shaped. And it hurts to both stand and use your thumb while also turning your wrist.
I shouldnt have to hurt myself just to play a video game.

>>738269252
considering you guys were saying all the time that it'd never sell out I can 100% understand why valve didn't make that money. that being said they should have done better.

>>738280872
Are you jewish by any chance? Just asking

>>738280941
So you're saying I'm at fault for gyro controls hurting my wrists.

>>738280996
I just know jews have a very particular way of lying where they always are the victim of everything

>>738280697
>its better than mouse
now play a game that requires precise aiming for headshots

>>738281059
If it were a team of Splatoon players using motion aiming vs a team of PC slop players using keyboard and mouse the PC niggers would get absolutely destroyed

>>738281089
>use mouse
>can click on head
next

>>738281372
Go watch a match of splatoon and watch the ink carefully.

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>>738280845
>Saved PC gaming when everything was going console back in the late 00's with Steam
>Saving PC gaming yet again by investing in Linux support to combat Windows monopoly
>Saving VR, handhelds, game controllers when everyone else has gotten complacent

Honorary aryan

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>>738268950
>The new cope from Valve Derangement posters trying to prove the lack of demand is that scalpers bought all the supply.
>Don't mind that scalpers only buy in demand products or else they don't make any money.
>"N-No one wants the controller."
Lmao

>>738281474
>BRAPPP MOUSE IS worse BECAUSE IM PLAYING A SKILLESS BABYGAME!
Okay now try gyro on any other game like quake

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>>738268950
>steam cult so enamored with their messiah they don't even realize they're being lied to
Valve can't even bother getting their own product page to be correct. Their hardware division is one of the most laziest groups in tech.
>ram prices are rising better hold production back until kingdom come instead of taking a hit in our multimillion dollar profits
>$100 dollars for a controller; highest price point of a 1st party base model controller in all of gaming history
>index was being sold at retail price of 1k and never received a price cut over 7 years later (they're selling the headset only right now for $500)
The list goes on. You retards deserve Valve's deep dicking.

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>>738279737
regression of standards by pointing in all directions so nobody knows what truly is getting optimised; a jewish cashgrab (no you cannot preorder decks OR controllers, you just gotta trust us about not doing the bare minimum)

>>738268950
>yuo need laptop trackpads, gyro and rumble controls in your controller because you do! OK?!?!
>what do you mean the buttons are mushy? were implementing tech playstation and xbox controller did half a decade ago! We're heroes hahah

>>738281872
What's wrong with that image??

>>738281872
you are a fucking retard, Valve was never a hardware pusher, they just make hardware to show everyone what is possible.
They deal with software, and they are absolutely the best at it.

>>738282572
He doesn't even know what HDMI is or that it has a committee associated with it that determines who is allowed to put what on their box. He thinks it's about specs instead of something else as he's retarded

>>738281089
Have you ever used a mouse to play a game?
If the PC players lose it would be because they never played Splatoon because it's only on Switch
But put both in a game none of the teams played (or let the PC players train on Splatoon), team controllers + gyro is getting raped

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>>738282625
>>738282572
>hdmi 2.0 is listed as the steam machine's official specification. Yet they list 4k @120hz which hdmi 2.0 literally cannot do due to physical limitations of its bandwidth. Only hdmi 2.1 can achieve that.
Now can you dumbasses stop pretending to be retarded. This board becomes browner and stupider every day.

>>738283334
>Now can you dumbasses stop pretending to be retarded. This board becomes browner and stupider every day.
Oh they put the wrong thing in there. Ok. Yeah they should probably fix that. E-mail them and ask?

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>>738283334

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>>738283728

>>738283728
>>738283334
>>738282572
i remember the autism about this, it was due to licensing rights or some nonsense

>>738283334
>Only hdmi 2.1 can achieve that.
WRONG

Buddy, read this please
>>738282693

I need you to understand that not meeting some bullshit criteria so the HDMI company doesn't let you put 2.1 on your box, doesn't mean the fucking connector Valve is using is limited. Do you get that?

>>738268950
I'm still worried their VR headset will require Steam.

>>738283906
Of course it will. Have you ever tried to use VR on Linux? It's a nightmare.

>>738269252
Oh shit

>>738283906
They will probably just update SteamVR to work with it, which you can currently start from the executable without Steam running when you want to hide that you are playing a porn game.

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>>738283875
>finally get 4k @120hz through some miracle of happenstance
Normalfags can't stream their slop in said quality.
Playstations and Xboxes are used as media centers as well. If valve can't even give them the same fucking Netflix streaming quality as a console that's over half a decade old and that's half the price.
Then who exactly is this shit for? Valve should have figured out the limitations of Linux as a whole before trying to sell it to the masses.
The fucking steam controller doesn't even have an aux port and literally every other console controller does.

>>738284137
Schizo

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>>738283906
You should be more worried about Valve's hardware MO. Releasing outdated shit. Look at the steam machine during the original announcement last fall.
>One USB-C and four USB-A ports
>microSD and not expressSD (especially when the primary usage is gaming)
>wifi 6E not 7
>Bluetooth 5.3 (5.4 released in 2023)
They're already rising eyebrows with their LCD panels and black and white pass through. And remember just like the deck and index you'll be using that hardware for at least 7 years so any compromising you consider now will just be amplified down the road.
They clearly have no qualms about charging a premium for their products I'm just baffled as to why they don't match the features and specs with the price.

>>738284106
It's just that if I buy a monitor I want to be able to use it with no specific requirements like using a certain program. Been waiting to get into VR and saw some video that led me to believe the "Frame" wouldn't be restricted in any way.

>>738284137
>Normalfags can't stream their slop in said quality.
Anon, this made sense when the Xbox 360 and PS3 were a thing - I do not dispute that. I used to watch Netflix on my PS3 and PS4. But these days most TVs have smart shit built in. You can get a dedicated stream stick (like a firestick) for fuck all. Hell, I just play shit on my iPad, then hit 'broadcast to TV' and that works.

Yes it's annoying, but I don't think it's really a dealbreaker anymore.

>>738284318
Retard here, why the fuck are the wii motes 250 fucking dollarinos?

>>738269246
I mean yeah, they would have been standard 20 years ago if they spent the extra like, $0.03 per controller to have it in the 360 controller.

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>>738284137
>not generally supported due to stringent DRM restrictions
In other words PC gamers are the least likely to care about this, since PC is the only platform that has DRM free games whereas both consoles and physical games are locked down with mandatory DRM that prevents you from actually owning anything (which somehow doesn't prevent you from being happy.)

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>>738284308
>valve says that their trying to "rectify it"
Yet you're believing at face value they'll be able to give you the 2.1 performance.
Ignoring the fact they themselves advertise this thing for 4k @60 with FSR.
They don't need to support 2.1 cause the machine isn't built for that. I'm 100% certain they'll drop it to 2.0 like when Sony removed 8k from the ps5 box

>>738284137
>>738284318
Not a single thing you have posted is correct or impacts anything at all

>>738284442
Because in the 7 years the index has been on the market. Valve has never once cut it's price for anything relating to it.
They're pretty fucking scummy for that. But if you purchased an index after the quest 3 or whatever blew it the fuck out in terms of price and performance.
Well maybe you deserve it.

>>738284541
You misunderstand what they mean. The hardware meets the usual 2.1 specs, they can't get certified in other useless features it has so can't put 2.1 on it. That's all. It is REALLY not complicated but man are you struggling with it.

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Got my order in 13 minutes after launch and still haven't had my controller packaged up, anyone else?

>>738279453
I like using to mimic dual stage triggers, something the new Steam Controller should have.

>>738284687
literally made my order within the first minute and it still hasn't been packaged, shit has probably been delayed for everyone due to the demand

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>>738284541
>Yet you're believing at face value they'll be able to give you the 2.1 performance.
Uh oh, looks like Valve already rectified it. Time to update your EGS shill script, Rajesh!

>>738284687
Got mine in two minutes before official launch. It's at 'Packaged items.'

>>738279453
It's neat on PS5 in a few circumstances like Spider-Man and Ratchet and Clank I guess?

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>>738284662
That's what they're saying. Again even if that's the case why put it in the spec sheet. Just feels like they're doing smoke and mirror shit. And there's no indication or * explaining that it's in this limbo state.
The entire spec sheet of the steam machine stinks to high heaven.
>hdr*
Depending on source of content not available universally(like on consoles or windows)
>"high speed" USB 2.0
Lmao
It reads like a snake oil salesman. What kind of "desktop" cpu has a tdp of 30 fucking watts. It just reeks of bullshit. The hdmi 2.0 masquerading as 2.1 or whatever the fuck just shows what a shit show the entire product has become

>>738285151
>(like on consoles or windows)
I don't know about consoles but Windows sure as fuck doesn't have consistent/well implemented HDR.
>"high speed" USB 2.0
"Hi-Speed" is literally the official designation for USB 2, whereas USB 3 is called "SuperSpeed", you tech illiterate retard.

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>>738284793
Ok cool you got you're hdmi 2.1. Too bad valve made a system that's incapable of taking advantage of it.
4k@120hz about as useful as 8k on the ps5. Now if they can just get Netflix on the phone. And have all those game companies make their anti cheat usable on Linux.
Literally if he went with Intel or a windows OS they wouldn't have this issue.
But I'm glad you guys finally got something last week other consoles had for 6 YEARS. Congratulations

>>738285151
What a fucking moron lol

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>>738279453
>more moving parts in a controller thats already built like shit
>gimmick is literally that you put extra stress on the triggers
What could possibly go wrong

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>>738285403
You before getting blown the fuck out when you thought Valve hadn't figured it out:
>Then who exactly is this shit for? Valve should have figured out the limitations of Linux as a whole before trying to sell it to the masses.
You after getting blown the fuck out when you realized Valve had already figured it out:
>But I'm glad you guys finally got something last week other consoles had for 6 YEARS. Congratulations

Why exactly are we pretending the HDMI 2.1 shit is a technical restriction and not the hdmi forum being niggers?
Or that Display Port completely blows HDMI the fuck out

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>>738285389
>t. Hasn't used windows since 2018
Also my main point is if valve is going to try and court console owners. Not having the same playable games as their console or even the streaming quality of their slop. There's no reason for a Playstation user to ever buy this. Xboxfags are waiting for helix. And normal people like myself got a mini pc already. And guess what? It didn't come with fucking 26 year old usb ports. >>738285439
Screenshot this. The 4k@120hz is going to be the steam machine's 8K PS5 moment. You saw yourself they're aiming for 4k@60 WITH fsr. But keep believing in valve it'll be OK.

>>738285403
>But I'm glad you guys finally got something last week other consoles had for 6 YEARS. Congratulations
What does this even mean, you stupid retard? How did we get it "last week" when the Steam Machine isn't even out yet and will have it at launch? And why would it matter that consoles had HDMI 2.1 for 6 years when HDMI 2.1 is still the latest standard? PC had HDMI 2.1 for 3 years before consoles, what's your fucking point you mental midget?

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imagine being hyped for this underpowered literal toaster of a pc, valve dr@nes are unbelievably retarded

>>738284687
I’m at 14 and mine’s been packaged.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I JUST WANT THE FRAME
I *NEED* VR PORN

>>738284793
>>738285439
>>738285439
>valve was literally denied the specification. Situation only changed literally 2 days ago.
Real cool of them to have that foresight into the future. It's not like they were advertising a product without actually having the power to implement said features. And completely lucked out with the delay timing and the 2.1 being approved.
What's next they'll say it supports HDR streaming from Netflix? Why not they just need to get permissions the hardware is there.
Putting something up front and saying shit like "we're trying to rectify it" is scummy behavior. They're selling a product they can at least have the decency to wait until they have concrete knowledge before saying what they can offer.

>>738285941
I get the feeling you don't actually want Valve to be honest about everything you can do with it, and how much bullshit is just things being dogshit due to incompetence and/or malice

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>>738268950
This is so ahh

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>microSD in the year of our Lord 2026
Not even Nintendo was dumb enough to use that on the switch 2. They went went Express. That's honestly just insulting.

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>>738285654
>t. Hasn't used windows since 2018
I'm using it right now, HDR does not work correctly. It barely handles SDR content in HDR mode whatsoever, the tone/gamma mapping is way off, the desktop constantly gets washed out. Maybe you just haven't noticed these things for the same reason you've been wrong about every other technical point you've made so far, which is that you're tech illiterate? That's why you also didn't know that Steam Machine already has HDMI 2.1, that USB 2 IS high-speed and that 4k@120hz is easily achievable on even low-end hardware depending on the game.
>There's no reason for a Playstation user to ever buy this. Xboxfags are waiting for helix.
Why does that matter? The majority of people don't want a PS5 or Xbox. This is for PC gamers, who represent the only growing gaming platform. Playstation and Xbox are both stagnant, which is why the console market is still smaller than it was in 2008 both in terms of units sold and revenue.
>The 4k@120hz is going to be the steam machine's 8K PS5 moment.
Hey retard, you do realize that pretty much any mini-PC with HDMI 2.1 can run games at 4k@120hz, so long as the games in question aren't too demanding, right? You think the Steam Machine won't be able to run fucking Terraria or whatever at that resolution/frame rate? And before you try and move the goalposts for the third time, first tell me why a potential Steam Machine buyer wouldn't want that feature?

>>738286230
ERM, ANON, NOBODY PLAYS TERRAAARIA

>>738285941
So you're mad that they were honest about it being 2.0 until they solved it and made it 2.1?
>It's not like they were advertising a product without actually having the power to implement said features.
That's exactly right. They didn't advertise the product like that and they did end up having the power to implement said feature. What's the problem?

>>738285654
>3xM.2 slots for 1k
Meanwhile valve gives you no additional m.2 slots and didn't even bother including the faster newer SD card format.
Its like they want this thing to fail. RAM got more expensive they have no excuses. Spend the extra fucking 4 cents per unit and upgrade the internals.
Nintendo and some chink mini pc company are already ahead of the curve. Valve is either high off their own hubris or just don't give a shit about whose buying it.
The ram delay is a perfect opportunity to modernize the components of this thing.

>>738286436
It's honestly a bigger deal that it doesn't have a spot for a 2.5inch sata drive than some microsd card spec that's not going to translate into meaningful speed increases for shitware that you'd probably want on the m.2 anyway.

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>>738268950
IT'S PACKAGED!!!

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>>738286230
>4k@120hz is easily achievable on even low-end hardware depending on the game.
With a cpu that maxes out at 30w and a gpu at 110w? All with 8gb of vram and 16gb of ddr5? Bitch please. Maybe fucking omori or what incest game people love posting on here. If you do pull it off it'll be 240p native upscaled.

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>>738286436
>Its like they want this thing to fail.
How can a PC fail, exactly? The high-end PC I built myself with the exact components it has has probably sold less than 100k units worldwide. Does this mean my PC failed? Will it stop getting new games now?

>>738280925
>"You guys"
Only children team up for console wars retard

>>738286230
>4k@120hz is easily achievable on even low-end hardware depending on the game
lmao no, just stop

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>>738286606
>With a cpu that maxes out at 30w and a gpu at 110w? All with 8gb of vram and 16gb of ddr5?
Yes? You can run games at 4k@120hz on PCs with way worse specs than that. Hell, I could go make a game in Unity right now that runs at 8k@500hz on the Steam Machine. Do you not understand all this is completely relative to how demanding the game is?
>If you do pull it off it'll be 240p native upscaled.
Damn, the Steam Machine really is just like a console....

As a retard who hates every gaming company out there, I'm not a fan of the steam controller because I don't want to pay 100 bucks for one and no I don't want a shitty pro controller for 200 nor do I want to pay for a normal controller for 80 bucks either. The controller itself feels more gimmicky than anything thanks to the pointless touch pads on the bottom. Also I don't trust the steam machine whatsoever given the lack of a price reveal and what we already know about the specs.

>>738286578
>8.25% sales tax
You Vietnamese or South American?

>>738286649
>How can a PC fail, exactly?

>>738286837
I'm Antarctican

>>738286684
See >>738286803
You think I can't make a quick Asteroids clone that runs at 4k@120hz on low-end hardware? I could run that on my phone. Now extend this logic to all games that aren't demanding, i.e. the vast majority of indie games.

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>>738284687
>10 minutes after launch
>at packaged

>>738269246
its microsoft holding back controllers with xinput

>>738286923
Not for nothing, it kind of hurts your point when you post this because these days they're a lot better because of proton.
Not great, because it's low spec hardware from 2013, but not exactly horrible either.

What is the ideal device for gaming for the gamer who hates Gabe Newell, hates PC gaming, hates Steam, hates Valve, hates the Steam Controller, hates the Steam Machine, hates the Steam Deck, hates playing with a keyboard and mouse, hates Half-Life, hates FPS games, and wants a totally anti-PC gaming device?

>>738287060
YouTube playthroughs

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>>738286542
To add additional storage to current gen consoles:
>Nintendo requires ExpressSD cards for switch 2
>Sony requires an nvme drive for its ps5
>Xbox requires that dumb gay expansion card for the series console
Yet valve chose to go with old tech. So you're left with fewer feasible options. Sure you can slap indie games on there and whatever. But why not just provide the latest tech that benefits the consumer. ExpressSD is literally right there and fits in the exact same location.
It's like not having an aux port on the steam controller or black and white pass trough on the frame. Just strange seemingly arbitrary design choices that just make the hardware obsolete faster.

>>738286923
I'm glad I deleted my mention of the original Steam Machine in that post and I was hoping you'd respond with it, because it's the perfect example of what I'm talking about.
People who bought the Steam Machine installed Windows on it and could then run all new games that its hardware could handle. They could keep doing this until the hardware became too slow for new games. Original Steam Machine owners can still do this with indie games and less demanding titles. So how did it "fail"? and if it did, by what standard is my exact PC which has sold less than the Steam Machine not failed?
Hell, from a purely financial perspective the only way the Steam Machine can "fail" (i.e. lose Valve money) is if they sell tons of them, since they're likely losing money on each unit sold (or at least on the engineering, if sold at cost), meaning that the more units they sell the more money they lose. It's not like they need to sell PCs in the first place, people will just buy their own and use Steam regardless, so there's literally zero way for them to make money on these hardware ventures.

>>738269360
Wet is a condition that solids acquire when entering contact with liquids.
Water isn't a solid so it cannot be wet.

>>738287060
Intel CPU x NVIDIA GPU. Xbox gamepass for PC. An invite to a private tracker site.
Install honey select and Koikatu. Pirate what you can and live a good easy PC gamer life.

>>738287060
Switch 2

>>738268950
>Got my order in right when it opened at 12:58
>My brother got fucked by errors and only got the order at 1:20 or something
>His order is already listed as packaged while mine is still processing
what the fuck

>>738287348
I feel sorry for you.
I said it has to be an anti-PC gaming device.

I want something that's anti-PC gaming, anti-Steam, and completely out of reach of that jerk Gabe Newell.

are magnetic sticks actually good? it's not just valve that has them, tons of chinkshit controllers do. I would think they would have a huge deadzone.

>>738287495
Youtube

>>738287228
It can also fail the consumer. If normalfags purchase this on a whim and see it can't play Forntie, cod, or whatever normie slop. And can't run GTA 6 in any capacity.
It might backfire on them because Chad looking to play whatever the fuck might just be disappointed and either build a real desktop windows pc or go back console.
But we saw those two trannies playing cup head in the commercial so we know who their target audience is.
Steam users too retarded to purchase a mini pc in the past 5 years and can't run an hdmi cable to their living room TV.
If anything they should just release the steam OS desktop distro already so people with mini PCs Iike >>738285654
Can get the steam machine experience without the compromising.

>>738287394
Why is a Switch 2 the ideal gaming device for me?

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>>738287495
ESL Zoomers are awful at trolling aren't they?
Complete level 2 of your class and try posting again with a little more nuance.

>>738287556
The exact opposite is true. The magnetic sensor tech doesn't drift so the joystick can be configured with a smalled readzone.

>>738287197
>So you're left with fewer feasible options.
I mean maybe, I certainly wouldn't run some 200GB dogshit like Red Dead 2 off a microsd card, but it's perfectly fine for basically everything else.
Unless we're flying off to la la land where I'm now totally not able to have been playing games with acceptable load times off a 512gb micro sd card for the past however many years I've had my steam deck.

>>738287727
But they do drift

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>>738287643
Runs all the big pc releases. Pretty much what steamies see the steam deck as but it actually has technology from nvidia so their up scaling isn't just blowing smoke up your ass like AMD.
Capcom, bandai, square, etc are releasing shit on switch 2 same day as Playstation so there's few games it won't get.
For 450 and the obvious Nintendo guarantee of mainline franchises coming to it like smash, mario, etc. There's no reason to not get one.
Hell they're the only people who are charging less for digital titles than physical.
Idorts are perfectly content with the switch 2.

>>738286837
Valve doesn't sell to SEA or Latin America.

>>738287727
that does not reconcile with my understanding of the physics.

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>>738287757
I get that. But valve could have easily added the expressSD slot for future proofing and to give customers a better experience. It's even backwards compatible so you can use your existing microSD card if you wanted.
They're also releasing a 512gb model. If you're gonna gimp on that at least try and make the expansion storage comparable to the performance of the nvme.

>>738288159
It feels more like your issue on this is that it's not matching the switch 2 spec, rather than how this would really play out for the end user on most games.
You know, because this is a PC, and people will actually have the option to play versions of games that don't eat storage bandwidth like a fat kid at a buffet.

>>738269252
who are you quoting

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>>738284687
2 minutes after and I'm still at Processed Payment

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>>738288465
Really awesome mental gymnastics you did to justify valve providing old outdated tech on their latest hardware release.
You're right it is a PC. So why is it's expansion storage the slowest around?
Because valve wanted to be cheap or they're retarded probably both.

>>738287845
>But they do drift
Then they aren't magnetic retard. Drift is due to the contacts wearing. There's nothing to wear with magnetic

>>738288864
>schizobabble

>>738269252
>switch 2 sells out
proofs?

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>>738288864
I mean if we're being smart asses about this, I could just bring up you could get a standard USB-C SSD and this entire argument about what has the better storage completely evaporates.

Seriously?

>>738288159
you are not meant to run shit off SD cards
retarded if you think that is what SD cards are for.

>>738268950
The Rothschilds family isn't gonna like this one.

>>738289057
NTA, but drift is possible if the joystick mechanism breaks. Springs get loose or something else. TMR just prevets the most commong source of drift.

>>738288150
Do explain

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>>738268950
Ruined by control sticks being too high up. No way that's comfortable

>>738290726
This shit does look comically goofy next to normal controllers.

>>738290726
Steam controller is so ugly, Its like its made by someone who's never used a controller ever or somebody whos a fan of the Duke at least

>>738281872
>base model controller
Well, retard-san. The issue is that the Steam Controller has way more features than a base model controller. It has so many that it's competitive with pro-model ones which cost up to twice as much.
>they should just ignore RAM being expensive as fuck
And buy me a new car! Greedy fucks have enough money. They would barely notice.

>>738279453
They just need to fuck triggers off and give us back proper buttons. It's retarded that every controller is hamstrung by a "feature" that's literally only somewhat useful for a very specific genre of simcade racers.

>>738291943
I'd rather have them there and not need them, than need them and not have them.

>>738286657
oh shut up. every thread on /v/ for like a week was about how the controller would fail.

>>738274185
It always been, remember when the deck came out and VaIvedrones spammed shitty wojak webms about how deck is better than switch and did constant console war faggotry

>>738294179
I remember last year when the fags running this shithole had 5 threads up shortly after the switch 2 released crying about the Steam Deck even though you literally couldn't buy one and getting banned for bringing up that they couldn't do basic research about the shit they were consolewarring about.

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>>738294856
yeah we know mods are paid off by valve and you get banned if you dare to try and complain about the valve shilling

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>>738294937
>Um but this post from 2013 and the guy that sold out this site for some retard from gawker

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>>738279737
Once you try controller on PC you will wonder why you sat down in front of your PC like an office cuckold playing with mouse and keyboard, unless the only thing you play are FPS and RTS

>>738277654
>While no one was looking Tim Sweeney stole 40 Steam Machines
>That's as many as four tens
>And that's terrible

>>738280925
>you guys were saying all the time that it'd never sell out
now you're just making up bullshit
people have said it would not be successful, but no one said it would never sell out because that's a retarded metric, they could sell 1 single controller and gloat about it selling out

>>738274185
Always has been. Half of all PC vegans are just discouraged and embarassed snoys.

Especially this guy. >>738286230
He's in every famitsu thread shilling for Sony

>>738268950
I got my PS4 controller modded with TMR sticks about a year and half ago. Changed. My. Life.

I would've gone through 2 more controllers in that time alone solely because the Stick Drift is that bad if you drop it even once.

>>738268950
>turning PC into a console platform
gas all Valve employees and their shills

>>738268950
Yeah I'll stick with my 8bitdo that's just as reliable for a quarter of the price and can actually be used outside of Steam.

>>738268950
Gabe Newell is like if my friend John-Sebastian called himself Gabe and while I'm actually a Gabe I look nothing like that and I'm probably watching Good Fortune where Keanu is Gabe but also not me, and basically I'm the unrepresented Gabe.

>>738269252
Nobody cares about shitch poo outside of the nintendo bubble

>>738279453
I use them, I prefer the button like press.
I don't play car games so I don't see the need for regular triggers anymore.

>>738300443
People who play on keyboard+mouse deserve to live but not voice their opinions.

>>738268950
I don't understand the hype for this ugly ass controller? brand loyalty?

>>738300665
VaIvedrones are the applefags of gaming, they worship anything valve does because of brand worship alone

>>738300770
What the fuck is the 2 big pads under what would be a standard Xbox controller for ?

Are they shilling new types of games that no one plays

>>738300551
>sold more games in 1 year than Valve can
Lol.

>>738300636
t. shitstained consolenigger

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>>738268950
Not a single video game is going to made for this retarded $100 controller's asinine gimmicks, you cult faggot.

>>738280845
>console kike tries to larp as a PC gamer AGAIN

>>738270214
>Controllers have barely improved since the PS2, hell they've objectively gotten worse in terms of build quality.
Xbox controllers are vastly superior in terms of build quality. Unlike GayStation's dainty little fag controller, you can't snap an Xbox controller in half just by twisting it in your hands.

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>>738268950
How did it go again?
>Make corporation into religion.
>Make consumers embassadors.

>>738302340
The Xbox 360 controller lasted me for a decade while my Xbox One controller broke within a year, Xbox controllers went to shit too

>>738302267
It doesn't need to retard, Steam Input is incredibly in depth and you can use other people's layouts

>>738300443
Before gamepads PC gamers bought joysticks, larper. I play with mouse and keyboard but own gamepads too.
>>738300770
>>738302436
>snoy tears
Daily reminder that other corporations are endlessly confused by the concept of Valve gaining consumer loyalty by fair treatment and good service.

>>738302267
Developers are retarded, who cares if they make use of it in future games? The community can make better decisions overall.
The controller already has plenty of games that make use of its gimmicks and most people who ordered one don't have it yet.
>>738302340
>360 controller with DirectInput has scrambled buttons, the triggers output their value difference to a single axis and the rumble is non-functional
>Forced devs to use a less capable API and ruined controllers for the next 20 years
>This is supposed to be the gold standard for controllers among Amerifats
Lmao.

>>738302828
Xbox cucks are retarded, what else is new? Currently they're declaring that they "won" because they're simping for a street shitting whore who hasn't done anything yet & thinks walking sims are peak gaming.

>>738269246
>reee xbox is DEAD and SHIT and GAY DEAD DEAD DEAD
>but also xbox is forcing every devloper on earth to not use gimmicky shit with no real purpose
Why are steamies so mentally ill? Get a fucking grip and go cut your tranny legs while recompiling your linux distro.

>>738303042
Xbox is dead but their corpse is still stinking up the place, we are finally cleaning house

>>738290726
>>738290949
>>738291025
'eck is more comfortable than any controller I've ever held, so I don't care it doesn't look like less comfortable controllers

>steam deck sells 100% of produced units
>steam controller sells 100% of produced units
>\V\: actually, it floughped because it didn't outsell products that sold less than 100% of produced units

Can someone just ban this "steamie" faggot? Every thread he's here to inject his schizo bullshit.

>>738268950
>will now be the expected standard
t. only buys first-party controllers

>>738303981
name one third party controller that currently has all those things

>>738303996
saar...

>>738287556
No, but potentiometers have gotten so dogshit recently that retards think they're a good replacement.

>it looks ugly
I'm not looking at it, I'm gaming on it.

>>738304035
Console players are womanbrained, they value form over function

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>>738269252
>Tendies are already seething
Total Valve victory.

The fatso is a dozen gabentrollers away from buying another boat. All thanks to the absolute worst cucks of the gamer community: The PC sois.
They truly are the reddit of gaming.

>>738304426
>handhelds are suddenly le good with deck
>consoles are suddenly le good with steambox
>controllers are suddenly le good with steam controller
You just need to accept the fact that consoles drive this industry forward, not personal computing work devices.

>>738304495
Tendies are so utterly raped and gaped by how much better Valve is that the only thing they can do at this point is bring up Sony (an equally cucked company)

Reminder that the main reason why snoys, tendies and xcucks have such fuming hatred for Gaben and Valve is because they KNOW that if Gabe never created Valve and Steam the only real way to play games today would be to own a console, while Steam kept PC's as solid competition.

>>738304989
Unlike the others Valve is also a private company, which allows them to actually invest in the future instead of just chasing quarter earnings for shareholders. They would never have been allowed to invest 15+ years into developing Linux support if they weren't private. Not saying they're a perfect company by any means but they're one of the few ones that aren't complete shit.

>>738279737
some games are nice with controllers
used PS3 controller for tree of savior once

>>738304989
Fatso will die of fat in your lifetime and valve will crumble with him.

>>738298610
>He's in every famitsu thread shilling for Sony
Never been to a Famitsu thread in my life and the last Sony product I owned was the PS2. Do Sony shills usually refer to as the Playstation as "stagnant", or something?

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>>738304671
>You just need to accept the fact that consoles drive this industry forward

>>738269252
You are so laughably insecure.

>>738274185
>valve thread
>no mention of nintendo
>tendies instantly shitting themselves anyway and start consolewarring
>wtf why are the valvefags such shit stirrers
>tendies springboard off that to play the victim
Tendies are truly the most pathetic fanbase at this point by far. Congratulations, they've surpassed the sony ponies of old in how aggressively retarded they've become.

>>738281872
You know the HDMI forum is a cartel that rejects open source drivers right?

>>738309595
The funniest part is that tendies still act as if there's big snoy boogeyman on this board when /v/ hasn't given a shit about Playstation since like Bloodborne a decade ago

>>738284687
Mine is arriving today :)

>>738285646
Consolefags wouldn't know about that.

>>738269252
tendies' insane hatred for pc need to be studied

>>738275412
what are you even doing in steam controller thread?

>>738280845
>Create the first digital-only game platform where you own nothing and you are happy
Funny enough, you own your PC games more than you do console games, which are just rentals slapped onto proprietary pieces of plastic.

>>738269252
>Nintendo out of nowhere
Least insecure Tendie

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>>738269252
>switch 2 outsold
how's that will make me buy a switch 2

>>738290571
The intensity of a magnetic field isn't linear with the distance, so when a joystick using hall effect sensors is centered it has less resolvability (lower snr) than when it's being tilted and the magnet is closer to the sensors. So I would expect the deadzone to be somewhat bigger than a potentiometer based joystick where the voltage change is linear with the angle.

>>738312154
>Least insecure tendie
Nah, that's actually me. I'm not a fan of trackpads, so the Steam controller doesn't appeal to me personally. That said, if this sets a standard for reparability and better parts across the board that's a good thing.

>>738285151
Holy fuck shut up, tech illiterate retard. HDMI 2.1 is not supported on any AMD GPU on Linux, including ones that support it on Windows. HDMI forum doesn't allow implementation of 2.1 without closed source proprietary drivers.

>>738279453
I love them.
I also love how you pic shows them with a woman's hand pressing them in an unintended way, very reminiscent of how you're a weak retarded bitch.

>>738304671
PC is still the driving force, more specifically PC piracy drives the industry forward. Good titles get discovered quicker, get good publicity and get purchased more often.
Reminder that the generation where Nintendo managed record sales was also the one where the overlap of CEMU for Wii U port launch titles and the quick release of Yuzu/Ryujinx for later titles meant that they had almost concurrent PC support for all of their titles.
The only reason to try to block PC piracy with anything other than mild speedbumps is if a publisher has no faith in their releases and benefits more off of uninformed purchases than they do off of building a good reputation.

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Hijacking this thread since the old controller thread died. What do we think of the gamesaar T3?
I want a controller with a good dpad focus and this looked promising on the surface. Otherwise I use the 8bitdo 2C with my Deck and PC but I'd like a better dpad controller for retro games. Suggestions?
Steam Controller looks fine but I know I'll never use the trackpads and the Deck's normal controls are okay but not amazing, hope the anons who bought in like it however

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>>738313797
>PC piracy drives the industry forward.

>>738315026
The EU spent half a billion euros on a piracy study and didn't announce the results because they amounted to:
>piracy is... le GOOD?

>>738307658
>everyone who wants thing has thing
>Y NO GROWF DOUGH?

>>738314752
it's good, nothing special
my favorite dpad nowadays is the 8bitdo pro3
straight from og vita and og ds
god tier

>>738315543
I actually have used the first iteration pro a while back and I just wasn't a huge fan of the ergonomics, have they made any significant changes to how the dpad or buttons feel?
The Ult 2C would be perfect if not for the dpad not being the greatest imo, but its still my daily driver controller for most things

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>>738314752
The thread I was going to post in died, but there were a couple of anons in it that liked that controller >>738302262

I have a CRKD Neo S (left) that I keep in my laptop bag for quick gaming sessions. It's still thicker than I'd like, so I've been looking at the AceGamer T50 Wireless Pocket Controller (middle) and IINE Retro Pocket Game Controller (right). They're both thinner than the CRKD controller, but they're smaller in every dimension which makes me worry about the ergonomics. The AceGamer controllers retractable sticks seem cool, but since they're also not Hall or TMR I worry about their longevity with such a mechanism. I'm also not sure about the layout of the IINE controllers shoulder buttons.

Would any of you recommend either of these? Is there some other controller that I should be looking at that I didn't find?

>>738315629
it's quite different now, everything's a lot more clicky, the dpad feels straight from oled vita
also the triggers have a little lever on the side which locks them in place, turning them into a regular and deliciously clicky shoulder button
i'm repeating myself a lot here but if you'd compare the iterations, it's really like this. it's a pro 2/pro+ , but CLICKY
seriously, if you hold oled vita and og ds dpads in high regard, this is THE controller

>>738268950
Remind that you will never build a family.

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>>738315247
>pirates cite this euro study for the past decade
The fact is of the matter is. In pic related two companies have a vastly different experience with pc market sales.
You'll never guess which one implemented the most intrusive and state of the art DRM on their PC ports and which one didn't. I'm tired of browns pretending piracy is nothing more than getting a product for free. Just like limewire back then. You're not apart of any discussions in business meetings. You're just a thief. Do you think companies give a shit what a shop lifter thinks about their product? Of course not. Their only concern is trying to minimize loss and deter you from stealing.
The product is locked behind a glass with a lock and key for a reason jamal.

>>738316005
That does sound pretty nice, does it pass the contra test?
I do like the oled vita dpad a lot. I could get it over the T3, but I'll admit I like the actual looks of the T3 more, it's about $30 more it looks like

>>738316145
>Two vastly different approaches to sales
Wow I wonder if Sony has perhaps done something stupid, like stagger out the PC release so that most people buy on console first, or perhaps they just routinely deliver substandard products and blatant bait-and-switches like their PSN account shit.

Companies may not care about what pirates specifically think about their product, but people who may want to buy a product do not discriminate against pirates when looking for recommendations.
>The product is locked behind a glass with a lock and key for a reason jamal.
Free samples are free for a reason Tyrone.

>>738314752
I'd like to know this too. Been dying for a proper wired controller, most stuff I've seen was low quality chink shit that will break within the year.
>inb4 just plug in a wireless
The port is the number 1 point of failure.

>>738316854
>does it pass the contra test?
shit i dunno. it's really tactile so you fumble a diagonal, you will feel it

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>>738268950
It's time.

>valve markets their products using trannies
wdtmbt?

>>738316145
Couple of corrections for you, nigger.
>two companies have a vastly different experience with pc market sales
Yes, because one releases products people want, day and date with consoles, while the other releases trash and delays it to boot.
Not an argument.

>I'm tired of browns *irrelevant drivel*
On average, pirates spend about 3x as much on a hobby as non-pirates.

>Do you think companies give a shit what a shop lifter thinks about their product?
You're conflating shareholders (retards) with companies (companies).

>Their only concern is trying to minimize loss
Piracy is a not a loss, it literally cannot be a loss.

>>738317596
It's a hedge against them going out of stock.
Once the trannies rope, that'll free up their hardware for their families to sell off for cheap to pay for their tombstones.

If you're looking for a real reason, it's because they hired an advertising director that's some rainbow-haired bisexual (straight) zoomette that watches Euphoria and thinks trannies are heckin' wholesome.

>>738307658
I hate how Mat always cherrypicks stats but holds back his numbers because he couldn't sell his "anlytics" to the big companies otherwise.

>>738284137
So if a Linux user pirates, he gets 4K HDR, but if he pays Netflix he gets 720p SDR? Perhaps piracy really is a service problem.

>>738284137
The fuck is the overlap between Valvefags and Netflixgoyim? Everyone who will buy a Steam Machine already has a Jellyfin server for their media and doesn't use Netflix.

>>738284687
I bought mine at -1 minutes, and it's still not in the box. Fucking dutch stoners are just stinking up the warehouse and not doing any work today because it's raining or something.

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>>738268950
It's COMING!

>check order
>30 minutes past
Christ I almost missed it.

>>738318905
>Jellyfin mentioned
chad

>>738315517
Yep, and because of that lack of growth everyone who wanted the thing and now has the things will get less things.

>>738321585
Seems like Valve are able to supply thing to their consumers. Perhaps other companies could take notes instead of bitching. Just a thought.
>>738321575
Thanks, anon, but I only just started. I'm about 8TB of movies, shows, cartoons, and anime in right now, and it's starting to feel really good.
Still running it off an external drive hooked up to my gf's PC, but I'll get a little NAS box and shuck that drive sooner or later.

>>738289209
this. The way I treat it on my Eck is anything under 20gb can go on the SD. I'd say use it for rom storage but you should just have those hosted on your network anyway.

>>738310318
Mine has been packaged, waiting for them to mail it out.

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>>738321697
neat, it will grow. I just run my server off a giant windows tower that does a bunch of other stuff.

>>738322345
>I just run my server off a giant windows tower that does a bunch of other stuff.
Only reason I want to change to a dedicated device is because electricity is too expensive in Germanistan.

>>738268950
is the steam machine going to sell out ultra fast too? i'm going to eat my ass if i miss it and end up having to get something else anyways

>>738322820
Very likely. Indian doomposters actually convinced a few people on this site that nobody wanted the Steam Controller, and it took less than half an hour to sell out globally.

>wait for price reveal
>load up Steam Wallet
>use SteamDB browser plug-in to add to cart
>start clicking "Check out" when five minutes are left on the clock
And you're just about guaranteed to get in at the very start.

>>738323123
Why can't valve stop winning?

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>>738323123
>took less than half an hour to sell out globally
Tends to happen when you only manufacture a handful and have zero botting protection on your storefront to deter scalpers. A brand new steam account can purchase THREE steam controllers. They had a system to prevent scalpers and bots when the deck went on sale. Wonder why they didn't bother this time.
Also you steamies celebrating out of stock shit like you personally own stock in valve despite it being a private company. Is sad and pathetic. Even Fucking Nintendo has a system in place to make sure legitimate customers able to get a controller.
The Steam controller selling out faster than expected and those subsequent ebay postings isn't something to be celebrated.

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>>738323807
nintendo lost

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>>738324054
>nintendo lost
Zero customers because they keep their shit in stock and don't let scalpers run amok in their store digital or otherwise.

>>738269252
Least obvious eric falseflag

>>738323807
>Also you steamies celebrating out of stock
We aren't. We're using it to blow you the fuck out.
>Even Fucking Nintendo has a system in place to make sure legitimate customers able to get a controller.
I'd rather not have to pay a subscription to be treated like a customer. You tendies celebrate paying. Sad and pathetic.

>>738303042
>gimmicky shit with no real purpose
>gyro
Retard.

hl3 announcement soon btw

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>>738324193
>Nintendo
>Zero customers
correct

Out for delivery :)

>>738320423
I literally ordered in the first 3 minutes and mine still isnt packaged
Motherfuckers

>>738326179
It's because I'm white

>>738268950
The only new standard is artificial scarcity, because the easiest way to make a retard do something is telling them they can't do it

>>738268950
im holding out for the Xbox elite series 3 to fix the build issues with series 2.

>>738326292
it's not artificial scarcity, bot farms realized they could corner any market in the mid 10's that didnt have botting prevention with sneakers and ticket sales. Then the Nintendo SNES Classic showed they could move into consumer electronics in 2018 (briefly they tried this on the Switch in 2017 but it failed). Now they try and corner the market on any trending electronic anything no matter how fucking useless it is.

>>738279737
KB was not designed for playing games and it sucks.

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>>738268950
BASED GABEN!