>filters millions including the greatest minds of /v/
>>738270560except me, it didn't filter me
>>738270560>miss archertime to reset
>>738270560If the thief AI wasn't so fixated on using his lockpick as much as possible, this map would be much harder desu.
>>738270560Is this Loss?
>>738270560more like the dumbest minds
>stats are random>hitting is random>npc survival is random>random reinforcements>permadeath>constant resetting because of randomnessNice "strategy" game doofus
>>738270560that's the weirdest loss i've ever seen
>>738270560Do you seriously think even 5% of the people currently on this board have ever played this uncslop?
>>738271867The strategy is to play random so your enemies never know your next move.
>>738271867>Waaah I can't adapt!Git gud
>>738264049>>738264172I watched it so I can save you the time: it says right there in the title 'near 100%', so it already doesn't satisfy your condition. It's a fairly solid strat with low requirements, but it only applies to Lunatic, when we were talking about L+. Pass and probably Luna would fuck that shit up, easy.
>>738270560Who's getting flitered by chapter 1? Is this some streamer shit or something?
>>738270560You can choke up the entire map with clever use of the archer getting him stuck in the doorway above the chest and getting a soldier behind him. Hector moves down 1 tile and then no one can attack him.
See, this is the ironman strat from youtube. You let the thief open the door, steal the red gem, and then rescue with hector. The scrubs all move in and you can bait the archer into the doorway on the turn you drop matthew. From that position, hector just moves down 1 tile and stalls until Matthew can win the stealing war with the thief and kill him. Then hector can hand axe kill the soldiers while the archer blocks his melee tile. All you have left is two archers which hector can easily either duel with vulns or run to the pillar to face if you have bad luck.
>>738271867welcome to real war, mothafucka
>>738271867I will always prefer advance wars
>>738273501But anon, think of the turn counts!
>>738271867>resetting
>/v/ will defend this
>>738275158Elincia defends this actually
>>738275158No I'll just kill the boss instead
>>738273501>hector just moves down 1 tile and stallsrandom>win the stealing war with the thief and kill himrandom>Then hector can hand axe kill the soldiers random>two archers which hector can easily either duel random>if you have bad luck.exactly
>>738278103>hector moving down 1 tile is random>matthew getting speed with 70% growth and 18 levels is random>killing soldiers that cannot physically reach you with a hand axe and infinite time is randomThe archers are the only random thing and you can easily just trap one in a corner with hector and matthew if you kill the other one to make it 100% safe.
>>738278103>moving a unit into the correct spot is random
>>738275158I'll just do nothing, the yellow units can handle this
>>738278898>>738278919>hector just moves down 1 tile and stalls until>stalls untilrandomalso you're retarded
>>738278993He cannot take damage at all in the position. There is nothing random about it. I suggest playing these games before you talk about them.
>>738278993There's nothing random about it, the archer won't ever move off so that another unit can attack Hector or Matthew.
The big group of rally units just under takumi in chapter 23 is a piece of shit.
>>738279083Post her ass.
>>738279286i cant im not my computer rn
>>738279235They technically don't attack you until you get like halfway across the bridge or something, so you can player phase all of them and maybe trap one of the snipers while you're at it to reduce the number of kills needed.
>>738278993retard
>/v/ still thinks indoor maps with a bunch of tiny rooms and 1 tile wide hallways are peak>also archers can shoot through walls because they just can oktouch grass tiles
>>738279425hinata has like 80 avoid or something, i have 50% hitrates on him even with wta. ultimately i just rallied, sent 3 juggernauts to kill the archers then almost lost camilla because i forgot the archers had counter
>>738270560What's so bad exactly?
>>738270560I can't even tell what I'm looking at. You got me.
>>738271867A lot of things in FE are in your control and you're a brainlet if you think otherwise.
>hector procs only hp and luckI'm resetting
>>738281779It's your Kaga-given right.
>>738270560>boss takes 3 hits to kill and 2hkos hectoryou have to go through so many vulneraries in this chapter
>>738282348For a second I was really confused by your post thinking like 'does this guy actually fight the boss with the hand axe or something?' but then I realized you're talking about the NA version with 2x effectiveness. Burgers getting cucked out of vulns, but also, if Hector gains 2 points of STR on the map it becomes a 2HKO.
>>738282348if i dont solo the map with matthew its a reset
>>738281779>resettingHey, if you're playing on NSO, you don't even need to reset, you can just rewind and alter the RNG to save time.
>filters 99% of mh veterans
>>738270560>Hey, want to play a map with only two deployed units>Want to do it again?Why was HHM so stingy with deployment slots?
>>738283070Killing the boss with Matthew would be an accomplishment itself.>>738285547I don't know, but I hate it. It's one of the reasons I think FE7 is not that good.
Marriage with Marianne!
>>738286109never trust blues
>>738270560Don't recall having any trouble with this one.
>>738286328that's because you use save states
>>738275158Such a fun map. I'd keep a save slot to try different ways to win
>>738286430No, I do not.
>>738270560I don't respect anybody who uses Wolf Beil on anything but the boss here. Maybe on the boss too, I don't remember if you can beat him with the Iron Axe.
>>738286660
>>738273501This is what I do.
>>738286328Its hard if your hector misses his hand axe attacks too much.
relay?
>>738287264Fuck off.
>>738287280what game should I start to make you seethe?
>>738277194Actually she flies towards the boss and destroys him
>>738287264You start it
>>738287362Tear Ring Saga
>>738286328It's annoying in the same way any low man chapter is; you can get fucked over very easily by bad RNG because of how few units you have to mitigate it. In this one specifically you gotta have Hector hit reliably which is annoying with hand axes especially if you don't wanna use his wolf beil too much. Not really "hard" just too dependent on RNG compared to a chapter with like 5+ deployed units.
>>738271867If you take out the randomness, then every fight becomes a puzzle with one optimal solution.
>>738287362Conquest or Shadow Dragon DS
>>738287264Isnt there a floating fe7 save already?
>>738287612i think that's for fire emblem 7 legacy which is a "fixed" version of fire emblem 7 according to youtube clickbait.
>>738287362New Mystery of the Emblem
>shadow dragon save was a fucking litterbox link>expiredREEEEE
>>738287362Three Houses.
>>738287824what chapter was it on i think i have the save
>>738287449Not enough people here have played Kagakino to start a TRS run.
>>738287528the game is already like that except there's also pure randomness just to waste your time
>>738287449TRS is weaksauce. Berwick would break the majority of the anons here.
>>738287824https://litter.catbox.moe/ujq7a60i33p8j5d4.dsv
>>738287824https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/737226181/#q737251783
just start a relay. all of them are randomly started without deliberation or begging.>gba pls pls pls
>nohrble draconic hex (or reclass earlier)>paladin defender>malig trample>great knight for endgameIf you go mag corrin when do you reclass to dark knight?If you go phys corrin when do you reclass to mechanist?
I want a thracia relay
>>738289562start it then
>>738289693I need to finish my revelation playthrough first
>>738290001then shut the fuck up
Ivy
Nino.
>>738290001Based Rev King
>>738290114>>738290115this nigga paid rapeape 30 bucks to post fe waifus kek
>>738290114>>738290115bot activity
>>738271867randomness is awesome
>>738287824catbox is fucked is only saving like 1/3 of everything I send to it
>>738270560>the greatest minds of /v/
Blueberry, Green Apple, or Strawberry?
>>738292324>im supposed to believe these are sisters
>>738292324Blueberry or green apple
>>7382923483 different fathers mayhaps
>devs give you overleveled armor knight>nothing can kill it even on hardWhat were they thinking? At least in 6 you need to work for it so that Bors becomes invincible and most likely only at the start of the late game from lack of a crest
>>738270560>restart if Thief steals the Chest >restart if Matthew doesn't get STR>restart if Hector gets a bad level up>restart if I use Wolf Beil too muchYeah, I miss playing FE and just rolling with my choices and RNG
>>738292348FE is very inconsistent with the "siblings have matching hair colors" thing. It just does whatever it wants sometimes.
>>738270560>filters billions
>>738290114>>738290115Why is FE such a Fire centric series?Yeah I know the name of the series but in many ways Fire Emblems arent really related to Fire in any way.Meanwhile we dont get the usual eart elemental and Ice is sometimes in and sometimes isnt.With its rock papers scissors system, ice, wind earth and Fire should really be a thing.
>>738293119the magic triangle is wind > thunder > fire
>>738293119Earth spells would be a cool addition to a Fire Emblem game.
>>738293565earth spells should be martial-class things, just think of "earth shattering stomp", "iron fist technique", "iron shirt cultivation", its all earth elemental for the physical shit.
>>738293565>>738294223Earth exists in FEH as low level colorless tomes.
Fire Emblem when Water Crest, Wind Symbol, and Earth Stamp walk in
These games are boring due to being pseudo-fake RPG's with weird rock paper scissors "combat"Advance Wars is a better series
>>738294749>I got filteredwe know
>>738294776Boring games.
>>738292496Oswin still falls off hard around the midgame. I don't see the problem.
>>738295528How can you fall off in a game where enemies always have shit stats?
We need female jagens again
>>738295614have you played this game?
>>738295528There is barely any other unit you can just leave alone to solo one side of a map in the mid game
>>738270560Mangs’ worst nightmare is that map
>>738294749Except Advance Wars was more boring.Also that shows you only played just one game, don't say "those games" since you said RPS combat is your main 'ick.
>>738295834You're going to tell me with a straight face that a promoted Oswin would have trouble with this?
>>738295614>>738295981Oswin is good in the earlygame when everyone but Marcus sucks and needs to combine hits to kill an enemy. Once your units start promoting and getting ahead of the curve of enemy quality his utility as an armor knight goes way down.
>>738296198No you don't get it erm speed bad and ignore rescue dropping k thx
>>738296543Raven and who else of the unpromoted scrimblos will be enemy phasing in the mid game
What’s with these constant threads did something happen did any news get announced?
>>738296989FE is a good series that deserves threads more than slop of the week
Do you early promote oswin while you train lowen to 20?
>>738296989People are finally opening their eyes to armor knights in ironman
>>738296989no, some people just like talking about the games they're playing
>Oswin supremacy has been established>People are realizing that Bors, Barth and even Wendy can tank just about anything in the game if you don't just bench them>Gilliam stocks are going to skyrocket the moment that he starts getting treated as Duessel 2.0Armour bros, we are so back
>>738297707Our LTC oppressors have kept us down for too long. Today, we RISE.
>>738296989There was a janny constantly deleting threads.They are either dead or doing life shit so thats why you see the threads more often.
>>738297707Gillian is unironically unsalvageable.Single digit def at Lv4 and only 2 more than the early game cav kills him.
>>738297707>thing that didn't happen x3
>>738296989Im currently playing Fire Emblem Gaiden and just think its neat. You should join me.
>starting class is a great looking unique sprite>promotion is a generic spriteLiterally worse than Hitler and Israel combinedPic highly related
>>738296989We love Generals here.
>>738297707Gilliam sucks. Bors is incredibly fucked by hit rates for a long while. Cant support anyone for the early game either.>wendy
>>738297707/v/ doesn't even use fe12 knight kris or fe11 general wolf
>>738292324Palla > Catria >>> (power gap) >>> Est
>>738298143Tell me about female Fire Emblem units. Why do they wear the skirts?
>>738296989What, so you prefer coomslop threads than these nuanced discussions?>>738297037Based.
>>738298702>nuanced discussions>/feg/
>>738298930This isn't /feg/ though?
>>738287908berwick isn't that bad unless you try to do everything aside from a couple of nigger tier formations you have to break
>>738298392why not?
>new FEH has Engage, Tellius, and 3Hworld peace has been achieved
>>738299304It has Jugdral too.
>>738299304>Engage/feh/ schizos will seethe anyways
There are 8396279351643 ninjas hidden in this image.
>>738299528How many them have fucked Kagero?
Taimanin Kagero
>>738298392Ease of movement.
>>738298392Why don't any of them wear underwear?
>>738299568None, when you try to fuck her, she turns into a lot of wood and now you have splinters on your dick.
>>738301992Can you fuck the wood?
>>738302165If the splinters don't bother you.
>>738302193I can handle it.
>>738301781I still don't get what the joke is
>>738302573"Hey relax guy" is a phrase that South Park Saddam Hussein says.
>>738299304I don't play FEH so fuck off retard
>>738302573https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpKUOAgWAU
>>738297071>knights in ironmanKnights are good now?
plapis
>we have officially run out of ideas
>>738303114are you retarded? deadlords were a thing. She has been theorized to be on the fallen banner for a while. The bullshit one is Tibarn
>>738299304>Engage, Tellius (PoR) and ThraciaI can't believe they actually put the top 3 games on one banner.
>>738303220yeah top 3 dogshit games for sure
>>738270560How many of you guys have actually played berwick saga? It's pretty fun
>>738295528Oswin never falls off. He is invincible until the end of the game, he pretty much only fears luna druids
>>738304039And also every other mage on the map
>>738304039>he pretty much only fears luna druidsTo be fair though, everyone in the game fears luna druids. They pretty much have an instant OHKO on anyone with a crit. Being able to reduce the crit to zero is possible, but not easy by any means, and it's fucking accurate too, so good luck dodging.
>>738298035I mean you can promote to uber trainee in NG+.
>>738298930So you are saying /v/ is just for slopposting?Are you insinuating that /feg/ discussions are better than this?
>>738298035All that skirt movement and somehow nothing is ever shown.
>>738301343post proof
Lueur
>>738297707Gilliam is not good, and I'm actually sympathetic to Barth and Oswin being decent units.
>>738302573Anon has never heard the word "guy" used outside of the cartoon South ParkAnon has also never heard anyone pronounce the name "Guy"Therefore he associates the character Guy from FE7 with the cartoon South Park
>>738308939Hey, relax guy
>>738308390Gilliam is not great but he's not horrible or anything, his bulk is generally decent for SS standards even if he's far from the best option. His biggest problem is mostly just that Duessel exists and is better in basically every way without needing training at all.
>>738309521His bases are terrible and his growths aren't good either. If you want a bulky guy you're better off using Garcia.
>>738309743His bases and growths are fine enough, Sacred Stones isn't hard enough to warrant getting so picky about it when he can still take hits which is his main job as an armor anyway. Garcia is definitely better as a whole but Gilliam isn't worthless.
Soleil is broken>but she's a child unit so she requires too much investment and has poor availability and she forces you to use laslow andSoleil is broken
>>738304195Wrong. Oswin has pretty decent res on average. Mine was rng blessed so he could shrug off mages entirely, but even the average Oswin doesn't really die to mages instantly or anything. Of course if you send him against 8 valkyries on EP he might die.
>>738310220the only broken children are the horse spirit/calamity gate. kana is a close second for being a free bundle of xp.
>>738310346Nope
>>738309521Gilliam's bases are bad. Instead of giving you a tank they gave you a unit which can become a tank if you feed him tons of exp.His defense is the same as Kyle. As bad as Draug and Bors were, they at least had defense.
I played with Gilliam on my last hard run and he was a reliable unit
>>738310783PEMN
>>738303114>exposing yourself as a newfag...
>>738310346>horse spirit/calamity gateDon't forget the spirit dust and lightning tome>kana is a close second for being a free bundle of xp.Most paralogues are free bundles of xp. Kana's doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
The midori paralogue is underrated. dragon herb is a good stat booster
>>738311267I have a bad memory of dying to a <1% chance Berserker crit on that map. Was like 30 hit or something.
>>738311445You can kill candace turn 1 iirc. It's pretty free
>>738311523Muh EXP.
>>738310220I imagine Camilla!Soleil would be good. Use laslow only for pairup, offspring seal for sol, then ninja stuff. Then use Sophie or Nina for pairup.Is that how you use her?
we should relay sacred stones and use gilliam to show he's not as bad as people think. we did it for lugh
>>738312554You can beat the game with marisa if you want to. That doesn't make her a good unit.
>>738312339I promoted Laslow to bow knight instantly, which makes him pretty easy to use. Then married him off to Charlotte. Charlotte at A rank is a fine support partner for Soleil.I imagine your way would work, I like to marry Camilla off to Keaton instead because she gains a ton of speed, defense and strength from it.
Am I retarded for thinking a maid camilla would singlehandedly solo chapter 26? Or get close to it, I guess she will need a bit of help for the bottom room.
>>738312554You’re gonna have to cannibalize most of the relay maps for that cause they will scrimblo in SS.I would do it for Ewan but its difficult to get get chapters when people snipe (he can get to 10 easily without arena abuse in his join chap on ephraim route if you save all the northeast enemies for him and blast them through the fence safely after baiting) people will also specifically snipe arena chapters to sneak exp in.I agree with you though, Gilliam is one of the better units in SS thanks to his early join time and high base stats in def and str. He is quite literally the same as Oswin in a game with plenty of chokepoint maps, one of the places were he shines infact is the infamous undead ship map.Ewan on the other hand, I believe he is underrated due to his join time and status as a trainee but hes so easy to feed all the way to 10 on his join chapter that people probably underestimate how good he can be on a non-grind playthrough.
>>738312554I actually once defended Gilliam here because I remembered using him 20 years ago but then I actually looked at his stats and growths.
>>738302358Wood.
>>738313064His stats are fine. 9 base def str is very high for a lv 4 unit
>>738313064he has a rough start but his start is also fighting the weak ass earlygame sacred stones bandits he'll be fine. if he gains a single point of speed he's already fine and fast enough to not get doubled until the lategame where his defense is high enough to ignore the attack anyways
>>738275158The defend maps in this game were kino
>>738292324Est is best.
>>738313451It's never an argument whether or not it's possible, it's an argument whether or not it's worth doing.
>>738313064it takes courage to admit you're wrong, anon
>>738313640He was a lot worse than I remembered.
>>738287378But that's too quick and I need time to feed even more exp to Haar (and steal the Draco shield).
>>738270560Hector can solo the entire map easily, how would this filter anyone?
>>738313538That applies to every single character, even the ones that are considered good. Every character has an achilles heel in this game. Its all a playstyle difference. The only argument you have against it is LTC because only seth is worth using under that scenario.Notice how everyone saying he is bad yourself included has not posted a single fact or mathematical argument against it. Most people don’t even know ways you can use niche characters, that makes it no different than someone who is just following someone else’s opinion.
>>738313059If you think Gilliam is the same as Oswin you probably think Amelia is better than Seth.Gilliam needs to gain about seven levels to reach Oswin's base stats. Rather than being immediately valuable, like Oswin, he's a training project. The entire earlygame is over by the time you've fed him all that exp.Many other units make better use of that exp and they're better at getting kills because they can double enemies and move further. Whereas the result of training Gilliam is a slower, higher defense version of great knight Kyle.
>>738314031No, it doesn't. Other characters have better base traits and grow better than Gilliam.
just break the wall bro
>>738312978Imo, the best wives for Laslow are Azura, Charlotte and Peri.
>>738314118>Many other units make better use of that exp and they're better at getting kills because they can double enemies and move further. Whereas the result of training Gilliam is a slower, higher defense version of great knight Kyle.Even worse than that is you're going to get that for free in Duessel and Duessel will be better at it than Gilliam too, with amazing weapon ranks and better stats.
>>738314118Literally nothing kills him in his join chapters. He struggles to hit things during the bandit chapters because Axe but they still don’t kill him which gives him the same value as Oswin during the early chapters. He is quite literally Oswin just starts lower leveled. Oswin usually has about 1 extra point in def and str than him on average while he has higher hp. They are identical units.Complaining about Gilliams level basically tells me that you won’t promote someone unless they are level 20, because thats the only way level would be a problem.
>>738314545Oswin is good because he doesn't take any effort. If you had to level Oswin he'd be shit.
>>738314531I remember when anon killed a relay in the zombie ship map because he thought duessel and seth could just solo it.
Gilliam has 25 HP/9 DefHM Ch3 Brigands functionally have 14-18 Atk on him thanks to WTA.Gilliam takes 5 to 9 damage from them on average. So its a 3-5HKO scenario for him. He has acceptable bulk.
>>738314830Yes, let's fight those Axe guys with Gilliam instead of any of our sword units. Who cares if Franz and Seth have a better match-up when you can spend both their actions to get Gilliam to the frontline?
>>738312978I've done Camilla x Keaton and it worked well. It also lets her reclass to fighter.Next time I plan to pair Camilla with Kaze so she can go ninja.>>738314453I wonder about using Laslow as a rally bot. Instapromote to bow knight for rally skill, pair with Azura (or Severa) to get rally speed, and pick up strength from Keaton friendship. While it's only three rallies it's a nice fit with his personal skill.
>>738314705You have to level him up though. He doesn’t start at 10 and its not like you want to promote him AT level 10 either.Gilliam has plenty of opportunities to get exp as well, such as his join chapter, the zombie maps, and the final two chapters of the first half of the game.Without favoritism any unit being regularly used will average out 10 by then.>>738314881>pulls out the Seth when he starts losing an argument You can just have Seth solo the game right?>FranzHe literally gets 2hko’d. You can’t have him tank every single axe until he gets some levels without gambling and thats assuming he even gets points in defense
All I remember of Gilliam during relays is him getting chunked by axes on the map you get Natasha and Joshua.
>>738271867Iae fire emblem a rogue like?
>>738314881Everyone has worse bulk than Seth, that's a given.Now Franz on the other hand has 20 HP/6 Def at base and the most he's expected to get bulk wise going into Ch3 is +1 HP.Now, 21 HP/6 Def vs 12-16 Atk accounting for WTA. Franz takes 6 to 8 damage per hit. So he dies in 3-4 hits from the same enemies. Franz is still the better unit for other reasons but Gilliam handily beats him in bulk.
>>738315187Franz destroys him in hit rate, killing the enemy and being able to reach combat at a reasonable speed.
>>738315059Promote no later than 15, pair up with Keaton and have Azura spam dance for him whenever she has nothing better to do. When he's done with Keaton, pass him over to whichever random girl needs the +4/4 Wolf stats.
Character 1 can smash some EXP pinatas, robbing children of their funCharacter 2 can slaughter a squad of elite assassins and save you from certain deathCharacters 1 & 2 are basically, no, LITERALLY the same
>>738314830And this is just the bandit chapters and his join stats. He gets more valuable once you start fighting things that don’t have WA on him and he can also gain a level or 2 in his join chapter.
>>738315398It's pretty cool how you can not deploy Oswin for several chapters and then he's still useful.
The absolute worst case generic brigand has 7 Spd and 2 Lck. 16 Avoid.Gilliam has 6 Skill and 3 Lck, so he has 13 native hit.Now, 80 + 13 - 16 - 15 = 62 Hit. True Hit of 71.The average brigand has 6 Spd and 1 Luck, so it would be more reasonable to assume 80 + 13 - 13 - 15 = ~65 Hit which is 75% True.There's some other things you have to consider about Ch3 such as the map being bottlenecked by walls for the earlier sections, so Franz/Seth/Vanessa dont get to leverage their full movement as much as you'd like for the first few turns.
>>738294749TRVKEFire emblem "hardcore" players complain about conquest but it can still be cheesedNo such thing on awbwEven global damage can't carry bad players
>>738315654How's that go in Chapter 2 where there's more space plus forests and forts for Franz to reliably dodge a few hits?
>Replaying Sacred Stones>Level 14 Eirika with 5 STR>Level 12 Lute with 9 MAG and 8 SPD>Level 14 Franz without a single stat over 9I'm getting a little toasty
>>738309521Gilliam is arguably worse than Neimi.
>>738315695Almost every forest is next to a mountain, so you're just giving the brigands +40 avoid for free by trying to use them.
>>738315826Yeah, I think they're about the same level of bad. Neimi free chip might be better, you're right. They should just both be benched pretty quickly though.
>>738312554>we did it for lughEveryone already knew Lugh was good other than scrimblotard Lilina faggots.
>>738313874On hhm? No. You can actually die from lack of healing. He takes actual damage from enemies and hand axes having shit accuracy can mean many rounds of combat.
>>738315876Yeah that goes really terribly for Gilliam, doesn't it? On the other hand Franz can still hit them pretty reliably. Plus there's still other Brigands around. Anyway, getting back to Chapter 3, if you care about speed you're trailblazing with Seth, Gilliam does nothing. If you don't why are you fighting in a choke with a unit that has a 71% hitrate when you could be using Franz instead?
>>738315826Now let's not go crazy here. Gilliam still has access to javelins and hand axes later if you use him.
>Using the relay when it was obvious that Lilina's treatment was malicious
>>738294749>advance wars>not having rock, paper, scissorsIt's called tank, battle copter, anti air.
>>738315937Lilina got grinded to an unnaturally high level immediately on 8x.
>>738315931Franz has like ~60 Hit on the brigands when they're in the mountains and you gave them additional terrain defense too. Furthermore, forest tiles are bad for him due to horse movement, so it just makes positioning awkward. Stop being retarded and lure them onto the plains tiles.I already said from the beginning that Franz is a better unit, you're just being retarded by trying to argue that he has better early game bulk than Gilliam when its objectively not true.
>>738315398Yes I do imagine looking at the actual numbers and seeing how their stats and growths are identical on top of being the same class carries more weight than your lore about “assassins” or whatever. I am surprised you’re not bringing up marcus though but easily bring up Seth>>738315931No because you don’t want to fight the brigands next to mountains, thats what hes telling you. Its better to park Gilliam in the fort to bait the axes and the boss to come to you than using Franz alone, because Franz can actually die from getting overwhelmed there.>>738316014I honestly cannot get over how utterly stupid and unaware your post is. Its almost like you’re basing yourself entirely on pvp but you’re STILL being dishonest somehow. Its actually sad that its probably not bait either
>>738316329So basically you can't come up with a reason why you would be using a unit with a worse match-up. That makes sense. Really it's not just Franz that has a better match-up either. Even fucking Eirika does.
>>738316386Are you just, not reading what he says?
Gilliam gets doubled by steel axe brigands in ch 3 kek
>>738316473I asked a question that was not answered.
>>738304195>fearing fe7 magesSaid no one ever
>>738316486Literally impossible.
>>738316549You're talking a lot of shit for someone in Cogs Valkyrie range.
>>738316672I saw it happen in a Nigger stream during the relays. Maybe a JP hard thing?
>>738315931Neither Gilliam nor Franz get anything done in Ch3 if you're barreling forward with Seth. Someone destroys the first barrier, another destroys the second and then Seth runs in and kills practically everything on counter because the map is that small.
>>738281495and a lot of things are in no one's control which is why it fucking sucks
>>738316781Right, we agree on that, but supposing you want to train some other unit, are you going to use the one with 100% hitrate or 71%?
>>738316717Different class and promotion, 90% of the cast fear those it is not an Oswin only thing
>>738316821Nobody is struggling with chapter 3. You're going to use whichever unit you want to feed exp to.
>>738316919>I will use the worse unit because I'm biasedI see.
>Feel like playing Fates again>Boot it up>Realize I already have a bookmark>Open it>I was in the middle of that god damn pot breaking map in conquest>Immediately lose all desire to play fatesFates relies too much on gimmicks
>>738316960That map is great. Just stop being a bitch and use the dragon vein.
>>738316941nta but what is stopping you from using a character with low % hit first then if they miss use a high % hit unit
>>738316770Enemies would need to roll 8 AS to double Gilliam which is impossible when account for Steel Axe weighing them down. That """"""""stream"""""""" had boosted growths.>>738316821Gilliam has more than 71% hit on the average brigand, you'd know that if you read the post.Secondly and here's the big one, Gilliam has higher raw hit with Iron Lances than Franz (something that he'll be using a lot in the coming maps), at that point of the game, so the hit argument is not the hill you want to be dying on. Stick to the higher movement and situational WTC, although most people would rather raise Vanessa in a run where Seth is allowed tp rampage.
>>738317012The dragon vein is shit on Lunatic because they moved the tile.
Every unit is useable in FE8. Some are far more useable than others though.
My plan for ch26 doesn't quite work because camilla is too good. As wyvern lord, with dual club and swordbreaker the heroes with wyrmslayer have 0% hit rates on her. Which means they attack someone else, and there's a slight chance of death for anyone who isn't her. I wonder if I could somehow nerf her a little bit. Maybe a lance instead of dual club would give the heroes just enough hit.
>>738317049Maybe it was an iron axe idk. Either way it's pathetic he almost got one rounded.
>>738317124I use it every time it makes the map much easier.
>>738317231They're assuming you slowed down to feed Gilliam 1 level on Chapter 1 and also that you hit the 30% chance on his SPD growth.
>>738317124The dragon vein inflicts so many debuffs on enemies, including freeze and hex, you can kill them all on player phase very easily. The two archers on the right will be frozen so no need to go for them.
I sure do love my units having only 6 speed at level 14.
>>738317364Sounds better than any of my 3 Cavaliers, sign him up for that Knight's Crest ASAP.
>ironman>general >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other classesI will train Bors on the first 3 maps. And he will solo all the way to the final chapter while taking 0 damage from almost everything
>>738317364That's a good thing. You don't kill enemies too quickly and waste exp.>>738317231That's a good thing. You create more opportunities for healers to get exp.
>>738317510I respect it.
>>738317231>>738317291Brigands average 5-9 Str and 5-7 Spd. For Gilliam to be "almost one rounded" by one, they'd have to high roll strength AND spd. Those same brigands would also fuck franz in the ass btw.
>>738317582Half the time, anyway. Wait a second, that's more likely than it is for Gilliam to not be doubled!
>>738317231He literally told you why that happened. Even with an iron axe they cannot double. A cursory search into the chapter data on difficult will tell you that.
>>738317582They don't double franz and have like 50 less hit lmfao
Are we really pretending that Franz has trouble with brigands?
>>738317651We were playing on the JP version of the ROM and they have slightly better stats iirc. It definitely happened.
>>738317684These armorfags are deranged. They'll insist it's favoritism to not give armors as much combat, as if a 4 MOV unit can fight as much as a 7 MOV one. They don't realize that they're the ones actually applying favoritism. If there is any favoritism on the other side it's towards reliable results and good units, which is a good thing to have favoritism for.
>>738317654Enjoy your dead dodge tanks from an unlucky 0.3% chance of death. You know it can happen and you know it happens. All that exp gone just like that
>>738317582I don’t think you will be able to convince people that believe lies told to them. Thats the same as trying to convince cattle.
>>738317841I will enjoy freeing up Moulder or a Vulnerary action over guaranteed needing one.
>>738317510Do you use a general in conquest or are corrin/xander sufficient?
>>738317684>>738317727GILLIAM IS A WORSE UNIT THAN FRANZ BUT IT IS FUCKING DERANGED AND DEMENTED TO USE AN INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY SCENARIO AND PASS IT OFF AS AVERAGE.
Hapi walking down the street with her bush out
>>738298035This is why I make her a cav and paladin.
>>738317971Both
>>738318034There are 4 Lv 3 Bandits that can roll 5-6-7 SPD. The odds are one of those enemies on that map can fuck Gilliam up, actually.
>>738317909>anon has trouble with chapter 2lmao that is something I thought I would never hear in my life
FE8 NA/EU and FE8 JP have a level modifier difference of 2 on enemies.The shitty promoted units only exist in Easy/Normal due to a removed routine check in the localized versions.
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remember when we used gilliam in the relay and he was still multiple times worse than duessel after promotion
>>738318115They'd need to roll enough strength to do 9 per hit and then roll 7 speed. On top of that, they cant be the Hand Axe ones because the thresholds are higher.This is beyond reaching to make an already subpar unit look bad.
>>738270560>greatest minds of /v/To be fair that's like double digit IQ
>>738318487You say that like he's not going to die to one hit after getting doubled by the lowest STR roll. Next you're gonna say don't put him there, but the point is sometimes you can't even use him.
>>738303923I dont know why, but I respect faye's strength and trust her implicitly
>choose to level up Vanessa>get a str screwed flier only worth it for rescuing units half the time>choose to level up Gilliam>get a second DuesselI don’t think either is more valid than the other. Vanessa’s mov advantage isn’t very applicable for most of the early game chapters anyway.
>>738318487That hand axe ones can double, they have 12 con, just enough to not be weighed down.
>>738318576See >>7383148309x2 + 5 = 23. Gilliam still survives with 2 HP.
>>738310220The broken child units are as follows>super ophelia>velouria
>>738318462>Lilina ate her assIt should've been my ass! Not hers!
>>738318826explain
>>738318826Velouria has bad classes. Soleil is much better.
>>738318826Velouria is overrated if anything, she would be most useful as a tank for 26 but she can't because she gets fucked by the beast killers. Her stats are good but she doesn't do anything special. Not sure what metric you use to determine that's better than Soleil who gets sol + has easy access to shurikenbreaker to solve the late game and gets 1-2 range for free
Brigands have 5-9 Str, 1-3 Skill, 0-2 Lck and 5-7 Spd.Since we're apparently fighting the world's strongest brigand9+9 Atk, 6+1+75 Hit, 7 AS9+8, 6+1+60 Hit, 70 ASGilliam has 25 HP, 9 Def and 9 AvoidSo he faces 10 Dmg, 88 Hit from Iron Axe and 9 Dmg, 73 Hit from Hand Axes.I dont need to tell you how much fucking reaching we're doing right now.
>>738318920Super ophelia can solo the rest of the game besides garon chapter with LAD vantage. Velouria has bigger stats than every other child and rapes in any class you can get her
>>738319198
>>738316385>Its almost like you’re basing yourself entirely on pvp Duh, that's the most enduring element of the games to this day. Your comment was also stupidly reductive so your bitching falls on deaf ears.
>>738318651There's this one chapter that has fog of war that you need Vanessa for so the npc villagers won't get slaughtered. But yeah, my 12/1 Vanessa has 10 strength.
I still don't see the point of using Gilliam over literally anyone else.
>>738275158https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wg5o3JNcrQMost kino map in the series
>>738319332>he doesn't know Gilliam promotes into a General
>>738318651You're really choosing between cool, sleek serpentine wyvern rider and an also cool Gundam.
>>738319215Nta, what's super Ophelia?
>>738317971have xander marry effie for general xander. if only we had the PoR generals who could use swords it would probably actually be meta for xander. instead we just get crummy axes. i did general xander once he was okay, but enemies just ignored him without effective weapons/magic.
>he cant even kill a loldier that every other unit can kill
>>738319739What a fucking tank. BRAVO gilliam
>>738319739Show Franz and Eirika
>>738319841
>>738319738>but enemies just ignored himHate hate HATE this element of nu fe. There's plenty of anti juggernaut tech (the simplest of which is making enemies that scale), I don't want enemies with power level scouters as well. Makes armors completely fucking worthless even after the buffs they received because they can't even do their jobs if they're too good at it.
>>738316960I don't even remember what that gimmick was about. Something about buffs, debuffs and heals? I just smashed right through and didn't give it much thought.
>>738319992There's two +DEF pots that you can take advantage of, using those makes the map quite easy.
WOOOOOOW even on a fort he died. Oswin tier btw
>>738320107You just gotta accept that happens sometimes when trying to raise him and reset.
>>738319934>(...) boxesFake and gay rom.
>>738315891>give lugh our entire treasury and level 20 promo>give lilina an early promotion and 4 boltings to the dome
>plays badly with unpromoted units>surprised it dies>on fe8The greatest minds of /v/ could not comprehend what just happened
>>738316960>quitting on a Top 3 Conquest map
>>738320291You can't play badly with Oswin on his join map. He will never die.
>>738320291Well considering I have to grind gilliam according to this guy, and franz kills everything on the map just by swinging his massive dick around, its the only way to get exp for gilliam. Too bad he just sucks too much to train
>>738319824>>738319934>>738320107Very interesting that you refuse to show the combat forecast for Franz against the Fighters. Or Eirika's performance in general. I know you also played very dishonestly there but keep it up.
>>738320278I don't think Lugh got any stat boosters. He got like 3 boss abuse levels which was gay, but he was set before that anyway.
>>738320384What is Franz one rounding?
>>738320340You can definitely die with Oswin by playing badly on his join map
There's nothing wrong with Gilliam's durability. You people always do this, fixate on the supposedly awful durability of armors.The problem is he has a) bad movement and b) bad combat. It's that simple.
>>738320531Oswin can face 4 enemies including the boss in one turn and survive. The Archers don't hurt him.
>>738320684That is not playing badly
>>738320735Fair, it's hard to get him near the boss, instead facing like 7RKO from high rolls.
>>738320340HHM Brigands have 7 to 10 Strength. Oswin has 28 HP and 13 Def. So he takes 3 to 8 Damage post WTD. -1 for any handaxes. They have 5 - 8 Spd, Oswin has 5 AS, so he wont get doubled.Zagan has 13-15 Str with a Steel Axe. He deals 12-14 damage post WTA.
>>738318990>>738319180Relay for Velouria Vs Soleil?
>>738283503>only 1 hyper silver losbaby shitSilver and Gold is way harder and I've seen groups of HR999 G-rankers cart to it
>>738320473IIRC Franz has slightly better bases in JP, but he still needs help to beat anything besides soldiers (which is purely because they have non existent AS).
>>738320473>>738320386
>>738321048Turns out Franz does a lot more with that 50% chance of +1 SPD than Gilliam does with his 30%.
>>738321048He isn't one rounding anything
>>738321170Are you sure about that?
>>738321207This isn't fair to Gilliam, you're supposed to evenly distribute the experience.
>>738321207>5 speed>franz has base 8 speed
>>738321207Then why are you wasting multiple unit turns on a single enemy
>>738321313Why wouldn't you get Eirika some EXP? She's force deployed.
>>738270560i'm too stupid to catch the thief before he runs away with the knight crest and silver sword in chapter 17
>>738321413Deploy Marcus with some Vulneraries and move 8 spaces forward every turn and you'll be alright.
>>738321313>why are you wasting multiple turns on a single enemyHold on, i'll type up a reply after gilliam finishes 3 rounding this generic bandit
>>738321334Why would you give exp to Eirika. Go kill the boss and have her in range of the throne while Franz kills the fighter
>>738321048>>738321115>>738321289JP Franz has +1 HP and Spd over NA. If enemy fighters roll 4 Spd over 5/6, he'll have just barely enough at base to do so. If its NA Franz then you'd have to scrimblo +2.
>>738321490I don't take advice from armorfags.
>>738321587What does that have anything to do with me
>>738321483More like 4 to 5 rounding when you consider his accuracy
>Playing on JP when most people play on NA>Assume that every fighter high rolls for Gilliam but low rolls for FranzCavalier's strongest soldier vs the weakest armorfag.This is why big Pegasus, Wyvern and Mage will always win
>>738321662If you complain about Sacred Stones being too easy then you should play on JP. I don't care about NA.
>>738321483>gilliam dies on the second enemy phase if he misses one 65%ARMORGODS PLEASE
Can we just play FE7 instead
>>738320107>t. average retard getting eliwood killed by pegs in relaysColor me surprised
>>738321705Are you dumb? 4 out of the 6 brigands have vastly reduced movement due to their position on mountain tiles. The 5th one is also almost certainly going to prioritize moulder because he's a juicier target.
>>738321483Alright, I changed my mind >>738315826I kneel
>Not using terrain>Not using vulnenaries>Scrimbloing FranzWow, anti-Gilliam fags really suck at the game
Post girls that smell rancid
>>738321483>No enemy stats>No Franz stats so we can see if you have a blessed one or notDo you even know how to "debate"?
>>738321945>vulnerariesHe doesnt come with one
>>738321960Why do you think you deserve the courtesy of a strong well-written argument? You'd have to make one for that to be the case.
>>738321858pp1 ep1 pp2 is 21 damage. He dies on ep2 if he misses just once and no other units/enemies intervene
>>738321982>Anti-Gilliam fags don't know how to trade or buy from shops eitherDamn, imagine being this bad at Fire Emblem.
>>738322067>buy a vulnerary
Can we just play FE7 insteadCan we just play FE7 insteadCan we just play FE7 instead
>>738322128Arguing about GBA is more fun than playing it.
>>738320859We already have a cq save floating around somewhere
>>738322120>Not trading them around until they're for saleAnti-Gilliam fags should play the sacred stones tutorial difficulty, trading is taught there. It's why Franz starts with two vulnenaries in his inventory.
>>738321483Hmmm weird how that brigand under franz has more than half of his HP after a round of combat. Could it be that Franz also takes 3 rounds to kill the bandits on this chapter, leaving no difference between him and Gilliam?
>>738322128You start it
>>73832206465% = 75.85 True1-0.2115^3 = at least one miss.
>>738322556Frauz has been exposed, Gilliam bros stay winning
>>738316791The point is to use the things you can control strategically to get around the things you can't. Which is why the inability to do so is a skill and intelligence issue.
Bad day to be an armortard
>>738323273I knew it was gonna be rough when someone compared Gilliam to Oswin.
>>738323273>Cavfraud exposed himselfIt's a great day to be an armourbro, it's horseniggers who have to settle down
Great Knight: It seems my superiority has caused some controversy
>>738323273Just an average day for them more like
>>738322556Booted up the gba cart again just to check. LOL
>>738323606It's basically an infantry class aside from canto. Duessel is the only GK in the franchise worth using.
>>738319314Vanessa doesn’t need to be leveled up for that one since all shes doing is rescuing the villagers
>>738323769>He doesn't use Frederick
>>738323928I forget Awakening exists frequently.
>retarded dishonest vague posters use shitty off topic anime avatars like satania>based objective fact posters use on topic cute picture of CelineI think i dont need to say which one is better
>>738323978>Not remembering the third most popular entryYou don't play the games much, do you?
>>738315826I won't tolerate neimi slander any furtherShe supports colm and gives him a 30% silencer proc rate while also having access to bow knight.
>>738324090I never replay that steaming pile of shit
AW girls should be posted
>>738324169>Not playing the gamesKeep exposing yourself, secondary
>>738324165Neimifag I know you aren't used to it, but learn how to take a win when you get one.
I always train up an armor unit. You don't always need them but when you do they make life so much less stressful.
BASED colm 2 rounding bandits that both franz and gilliam take 3 rounds to kill
>>738319290>your post was stupidly reductiveHiding behind vague insults won’t save your utterly stupid display.If you argue against advance wars games purely because of the pvp the game isn’t even comparable to FE which does not have PVP. When people compare the two they are clearly comparing advance wars from the main campaign and war room angle, not the vs map angle, and especially not the vs map from the unofficial awbw, where every single map used caters specifically to the three units you mentioned. Its rare to see someone actually fight on a map thats high funds, or actually can do naval warfare. In short you’re a fucking idiot
>>738324247I'm the opposite, I usually don't bother with them. However, they impressed me enough times when I've used them for me to respect them. Motherfuckers get invincible the moment that you allow them to stack their defense.
>>738324375I like Dedue.
boys should have sex with boys
>>738324292ThiefPATRIOTS, we are so back!
it's funny watching the coomers get totally ignored
>>738275158should I play Radiant Dawn?
>>738324247>brom kinda looks like ass so don't train him>gatrie commits suicide on his join chapter>mfw tauroneofinally a late armor that isnt shit
>>738324552Yes, but be aware that it's assI actually really don't get the love for enlicia's gambit. Fucking slog of a map unless you're cheesing.
>>738324405Same, but the dumb 3H class system means that you usually just make him into a wyvern, especially since it massively boosts his non def stats. He's definitly the most useful of the "right hand" characters though, his personal especially is top tier in the earlygame.
I use Arden erry time.
>>738324937It's better in the long run probably but I don't mind keeping him in General and DEF stacking to just take 0s. I did that sort of thing with Raphael last playthrough who I fed a ton of Speed Carrots to, he ended up good but meh. Either of them can take 0s throughout a lot of the game and hit back pretty hard.
>>738324971At least he can sell the pursuit ring to get in on the brave sword racket.
>>738324934Elincia's gambit tricks people into believing that they're doing way more than they really are, which is holding the one chokepoint that matters and/or assassinating the boss with Haar.
>>738325063I prefer vengeancemaxxing with him
>>738325561Lance def stacking CA is the real big brain
Why is 3 hopes dedue so fucking hot
Using Gilliam gives me a reason to use Garcia since their support bonuses are great. So I will use him
How would you fix GK in 3H? In my case, I would change its axe rank requirement for a lance rank requirement and lower the riding requirement to B instead of B+.
>>738324937>Just make X into a wyvernEasier said than done
>>738325915Wyvern is one of the easier classes to cert into though?
>>738325915Dedue already has lance and axe proficiency, so you just have to focus on squeezing him just enough flight rank.
>>738319824>>738319934>>738320107>I will vulnerary a unit over another because I need to make a point>oh look the other unit i didn't heal died WOOOOOOOW
>>738326303Using a vulnerary on Gilliam is favouritism
>>738326303Oswin tanks that.
Is Gilliam a scrimblo?
>>738326631Yeah, that was the conclusion I got from all of this.
>>738326674The conclusion I got was that both Franz and him were scrimblos, and Colm is the actually good unit that's slept on.
>>738326631Yes but he's even worse than many infamous scrimblos like Ogier because he's shit even when trained.
>>738326785Colm does have good performance in Chapter 3.
>>738326873>Sane str growth as Franz>Higher spd base and growth>Can thief utility tooColm is top tier
>>738325982>>738326123>Bane in flyingNot worth the effort. Its the same reason why people go for Falconknight Bernie over Wyvern.
>>738327312I just go Bow Knight.
>>738327312People go Falcoknight Bernie because that gives her Lancefaire which stacks with Vengeance. Wyvern Bernie is simply the worse option.
>>738327552If she had easier access to Wyvern Lord, she'd also promote into it because the lack of faire is offset by the far higher strength mod.
>>738322701ok
>>738324552Yes. But dont play hard mode because it removes a lot of features from the game
Well class, what did we learn this thread?
stealing the vulnerary then killing with hand axe to maximize hector exp
>>738327808That /v/ is full of idiots that can’t debate?
>>738327808Armors are so powerful and easy to use that copevaliers need to intentionally play wrong to make them seem bad
>>738327697>the lack of faire is offset by the far higher strength modNo, the faire gives her +5, while Wyvern gives only +3 str over Falco.
>>738327808Cavfags don't know how to play Fire Emblem, with trading being a foreign concept to them.
an anon earlier in the thread said you can do some gay strat to get everything stuck behind some archer. BUT we will be outrunning everything instead as is tradition
>>738327897Wyvern gives +2 HP and +4 Str as mods.Falconknight gives +6 Str accounting for Lancefaire.Now, you remember that Bernadetta's favorite combat art also scales off her missing HP...
>>738327808Colm is actually the early game carry of FE8
matthew had to take a hit from a soldier but he can outpace him with his 6 move
Gilliam was atrocious in the last relay.
>>738328031>Wyvern gives +2 HP and +4 Str as modsFalco givesFalco gives +1 str and Lancefaire for a default +6>Now, you remember that Bernadetta's favorite combat art also scales off her missing HPYou need to get to 1HP as a Wyvern just to match what Falcoknight gives by default kek.
hector is now safely in position to 2 shot the boss
>>738327808Radiant dawn is the best video game ever made
hectorbros...
>>738328402Dude why did you skip the entire fucking map worth of exp? I'm not playing this shit if you arent taking it seriously
>>738328505They always do for some reason.
>Take Gilliam>Make him one of the only two units that you get in ch1>Give him less accurate axes instead of lances>Call him Hector>Suddently he's a good unit???
>>738328505>/v/ cant beat javpaladin emblem without hours of scrimbloing on chapter 1
>>738328598>>738328598except he can actually double loldiers and 2 round the other enemies
>>738328505>"DURR! BUT WHA IF I LOSE???? IT SAFER DIS WAY!"I don't understand why they do this. It is just the first map. Restarting isn't an issue.
>>738328302If you're using Bernadetta then you want her to be almost dead to maximize Vengeance's damage anyway. Falconknight is also just strictly worse at using bows which is relevant considering that she has access to Deadeye and Encloser.
>>738328615actually it's chapter 11 retard
>>738328598If Gilliam had a Wolf Beil he'd be better. Also, Hector has 5 MOV.
>>738328505It saves the Hand Axe and the Wolf Beil, and Hector will get exp anyways during the game. As long as the next chapter doesn't get blunder'd, it's a perfectly reasonable option.
>>738328505cavGODS can beat chapters without gooning for 30 minutes on chapter 1oswin joins here, now it's time for armortards to put their money where their mouth ishttps://files.catbox.moe/ey3swp.gbahttps://files.catbox.moe/lp006y.sav
>>738328761>the hand axe that you can buy 20 of in just two more chapters>the wolf beil with 2x effectivenessMaybe im crazy for thinking a level 4 hector is way more valuable than those
>>738285773Matthew has dialogue with the boss, funnily enough
>>738328829Nah, I'm happy to spend those Hand Axe uses too. Wolf Beil you save of course but you can kill them without.
Hector needs hand axe uses for chapter 12 you tards
>2x effectivenessStop playing vanilla US FE7 you retards.
>>738327808/v/ will go to unimaginable lengths of reaching to hate on a unit simply because its a unit gay people and women find hot
>>738328974We need 2x effectiveness to help the armorfags when they inevitably fuck up and let themselves get hit by an armorslayer
>>738328974nigga i can't read japanese also i don't have a complete save for the japanese version and i don't feel like playing the entire rom basically blind including the lyn mode tutorial
>>738329264>
>>738329364lyn mode sucks even if i could read ching chong
>all those barking armorweenies from earlier are afraid to touch the relay
>>738328505Why do you faggots like grinding so much? I still don't get it after all this time. What earthly reason could there be to worry about exp when your two units are a fucking thief and a lord who can't promote until 30 chapters from now anyway?
>>738329461Because its an ironman where you lose the run if hector dies and you lose like 4 promotion items + silver card if matthew dies
>>738329542In other words, you shouldn't try to fight the first chapter's onslaught, instead playing it safer with those two?
>>738329428chill dawg I'm on it
>>738329661Dude you literally mentioned the 100% safe method of taking on the chapter from yesterday. Don't play dumb.>>738328003
>>738329542>where you lose the run if hector dies So expose him to even more combat on a risky map? How does that make sense?>b-b-but you can just restart quicklyPeople have a limited attention span. Don't waste runs being an idiot dicking around grinding. Runs have been killed this way.
>>738329693>Already unequipped for Handaxe Paladin emblemBartre bros...
>you suckers actually lose on chapter 11Im starting to see why fe7 is some monumental task for this board to surmount
>>738329872someone needs to restock hectors axes
>>738329960Average power level of an iron-kun>>738320107
>>738329961Why would he need to restock? He didn't use up his axes for once.Also, use Eliwood. He needs luck so that he won't die to a Killer Javelin.
>>738329961matthew you unreliable fool
>>738329461>Grinding>Just killing the less than double digit enemy count is "LE GRINDING!?"No one is asking to fucking boss abuse or dodge abuse for 5000 turns you disingenuous faggot
>>738329960If people would just use the good prepromotes as they come (growth units suck in this game), we would have beaten the game ages ago. That means spamming Marcus, yes.The problem is, anonretards want to train the shitters like Becca and Lyn, and in doing this, they actually create the risk factors that kill runs, as well as suffocate morale. You could beat this retarded baby game with no silver card and just 3 good units, but the neurotics of /vfeg/ think this game is so punishing if you don't have 10 self-trained Harkens running around.
>>738330060pegasus went after him
>>738330094If you hang around for extra turns to kill enemies for exp, you are GRINDING. Finish the map.
>>738330182>Not training your other unitsThis isn't FE6, casual.
>>738330287This but unironically
>>738330289The only reason we consistently beat FE6 is because the prepromotes are so high quality and the growth units are so bad that it can no longer be denied by scrimbloniggers. You have no option but to spam Miledy and Percy.Anons take FE7 lightly because the enemy quality is lower, ushering in their undoing.
>>738330261speed on hector
>>738330287Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't realize we are LTCing this ironman run. I'm expecting EVERY nonroute map to be cleared in less than 10 turns from now on or it is VETO!
>>738330393Thank god he was able to use that hand axe that we preserved by beating the previous map quickly and not grinding for little gain
>>738330182>chapter 2>already a bunch of control freaksthe run is DOOMED
>>738330468Just do the map objective (lol>words that terrify /vfeg/
Would playing lyn hard give me too much of an advantage on hector hard? Assume i am not intentionally trying to farm during lyn, just playing normally.
>>738330389I dunno, Lugh carried the shit out of last run and he was scrimblo'd to 20.
>>738330393oswin could never
>>738330550Playing Lyn mode is farming.
>>738330592OH NONONO ARMORKEKS WHAT IS THIS?
>>738330550It's pretty huge since it allows you to beef up units that would otherwise be underwhelming into monsters. Sain, Kent and Florina are disgusting with Lyn mode, while they go from okay to bad without it.
>>738330592Armorfags want you to believe that raising Gilliam in the long run is better than having another awesome Paladin.
>>738330579>Lugh carried the shit out of last runNot really. I like Lugh but you could have taken him away and we'd have still won easily.
>>738330287Cry more. Whoever takes the relay gets to play however the fuck they want and if you dont like it then you should have picked it up instead
>>738330636>what is thisExp theft
I don't partake in relays because wherever I go I must scrimblo and I accept this character flaw in myself.
>>738330389The reason we always beat fe6 is because scrimblosaints always support grind and power level the carries for hundreds of turns in the early game
>>738330724You're the one who's going to be crying when you lose another run, bud
>>738330592they keep hiding in the mountain
The reason why we beat FE6 every time is because it's a baby ass game. Now FE7, that's for red blooded men.
>>738330838Compared to more recent runs, those hour amounts seem pretty tame actually.>23 turns>4 and a half hoursI mean, we take what we can get>lugh died>lilina carriedBASED
>>738330870boss kill for marcus
>>738331098Based.
>>738331098>Wasting even more expVeto
>>738331098ARMORFAG IS GONNA FREAK!
>>738331098https://files.catbox.moe/mxujh8.savhttps://files.catbox.moe/ey3swp.gba
>>738330713Nah he was putting in work
>>738331121The boss EXP bonus isn't diminished by being promoted, so it's actually more efficient to feed boss kills to your pre-promote.
>>738331098Oh yeah. LTC me harder Marcus daddy
>>738331228
>>738331203Sure, but again we'd have been completely fine without him. At no point were we relying on green god any more than as a convenient delete button and heal staff
>>738319314>12/1>early promoting a unit you get on chapter fucking 2
>>738331208>Give the boosted boss exp to the prepromote with the shit growthsNo
>>738331203JUSTICE FOR LILINA
>>738331360Actually, yes, that is what happened. Don't like it? Should have played it yourself, whiny bitch.
>>738331319He saw more combat than every other unit in the game besides gonzales
>>738331203After all that stink about our screwed Rutger and BLESSED Fir, the battle records certainly tell a different story.
>>738330182>good prepromotesOxymoron. There are only two GBA units that are good despite being prepromotes, and they are Seth and Harken.
>>738331208>Give the boosted boss exp to the prepromote who will see the most combat and thus every extra stat point helpsGood idea, let's do it
>>738331442Fir was just NEGLECTED and BETRAYED by iron-kuns. She was better than rutkek
>>738331436What an absurd statement.
>>738331414I was just joking around at first, but calling it "efficient" is provably wrong. If it was Seth with his busted ass growths, it'd be a different story.
>>738331448>look mom I posted it again
>>738331539You're implying some sort of theoretical future where Marcus stops being a valuable member to deploy which will never be true if you actually use him.
>>738331448You forgot Pent and Percival, even if the second needs to cheat with the HM bonuses glitch to be good.
>>738331530The absurdity was scrimbloanon unironically thinking spending thousands of turns dodge grinding Gonz and expecting people to use him in good faith after.
>>738331526Funnily enough it's the opposite. Fir's win rate is so high because the majority of her combat over the course of the game was being fed kills.
>>738331654Bless their misguided heart.
>>738331539Do you niggers think Marcus has Gunter's growths or something? Dude has a 25 speed growth in this game. That's 1 out of 4 levels he gets a point of speed, extending his shelf life in this game made for toddlers.
>>738331605All that I'm saying is that a full level on a unit who will proc stats early on is better than some exp that Marcus is already getting by fighting everything and that won't play different whether he gets the bosskill or not.
>implying im touching the ltc relay where everyone except markek is base level by chapter 5
Rare footage of Wolt actually being useful. Who needs Rutger?
>>738331798>See this clock nigger?>It's saying that your time is up*9 damage*
>>738331798>9 damage crit>Hit rate implies heavy support helpWhat a shitter
>>738331798>9 damage with a Killer Bow critIs this what "being useful" is for Woltkeks?
>>738331798>9 damageWoltkeks call this "cracked" LMAO
>25% is good speed growthWhat went wrong with the brain development of these people?
>>738331798Never post this again bro
>>738331727By that logic everyone else in the game is much more worthwhile to train since they hit those levels faster
>>738331918People legitimately try to use "growth units" with lower speed growths than this like Dorkek
>>738331946>since they hit those levels fasterlmoa
>>738331761>you must grind everyone or I can't win!Kek armorturds are so fragile
>>738331831>>738331874>>738331880>>738331885Hey, 9 is a pretty decent chunk of 35, and I'll take any damage I can get against this fucker with 65-67 avoid. He's doing better than Shanna, who can't do any damage, and Wade who has like 30% hit max.
>>738331989It's an objectively true statement>Higher exp gains means that levels come faster>Higher growths means that the procs come earlier on average
>>738331648Percival is already good with NM stats. HM just makes him ridiculous
>>738332056I encourage you to try to make Rebecca faster than Marcus without any assistance from Marcus.
>>738331979>Needs to cherrypick Dorcas who no one scrimblos because literally every other character has a better spd growth(lol
>>738332112>markek has to compare his S tier uber unit to fucking rebecca to look good
>>73833191825% speed is bad but Marcus starts with 11 Spd in a game where 14 is enough for most enemies.
>I HATE that the whole army isn't level capped by chapter 3!>but I would NEVER EVER do something about it and take the save to do it myself!
I use Marcus like I use the bell in Elden Kek. Religiously and with no shame.
>>738332112>Bring enemy to low hp>Kill enemy with Rebecca>~30 expMeanwhile, Marcus has to clear the entire map for that same amount of exp, and with less chance of proccing stats.
>>738332162>who no one scrimblosNewfag doesn't remember the lyn mode Dorcas run
In my romhack, I will kill the jagen in the midgame cutscene and then troll the player with every prepromote they can recruit dying or betraying them within 2 chapters after joining.
>>738332221Yes
>>738332197>11 Spd >in a game where 14 is enough for most enemiesSo, he's 3 spd behind? Let's see what his growth is>25%>Needing over 10 levels to get enough for most enemiesKek. Marcus is good, but he objectively has spd issues.
>it's totally okay that he's slow because he can still double the slowest enemies in the game!
>>738332319Or you could just properly balance the game
>>738332319So, you're going to make every prepromote into Gunther/Orson? Good idea.
>>738332359I give Marcus the boat speedwing so that's not an issue :)
why are all satania posters mongoloids?
>>738332437That's favouritism, and therefore banned. You are exiled from FE discussion
>>738332437>Marcus is totally good guize>just feed him all the exp and give him all the boostersIt's so funny to see the glove on the other hand.
>>738332273>Bring enemy to low hpAnd who's offering Rebecca welfare assistance and food stamps in this scenario?
>>738332319Speaking of romhacks, any cheap artists that do GBA FE sprites that AREN'T faggots? Tall order to ask I know.
>>738332364NOOO DONT POST HER! YOU ARE GONNA TRIGGER THE ARMORSCRIMBLOS
>>738332506Don't act like you weren't going to give it to some mage like Canas or some shit
>>738332359>>738332437It takes Hector 19 levels to match what Marcus has at base. Hector also cannot promote until when the game is almost over. But apparently the concept of evolving thresholds or that FE7's general doubling thresholds are low is too much for you to understand.
>>738332512Your army. You have more than 1 unit, don't you know?
>>738332319I would literally still use them if they were good. You'd have to give them Elincia's Mercy skill for me to not feed them kills.
>>738332603I wasn't being facetious about the speedwing. I agree with you.
Relays are so back.
>>738332603>Needs to cherrypick the one unit who can't promote and who has an iffy spd growthWhat, Eliwood and Lyn were too fast for you?
>>738332319Mangs did that and you still use Baudimon and Samuel in the early game because not using them makes the game infinitely harder.
>>738332374To be honest, I'm riffing on this dude, who first proposed the jagen midgame death, only to face pushback and try to remedy it by making it as transparent as possible that he will kick the bucket.>https://feuniverse.us/t/how-often-do-jagens-get-canon-story-deaths-mid-game-ensuring-the-moment-their-usefulness-is-supposed-to-fall-off-or-earlier-will-be-the-moment-they-fall-off-this-mortal-coil/20036
Every marcus argument is >hes marginally better in an attribute than the worst example I can possibly find
>>738332738>Lyn who has such bad personal bulk that even mages look good>Sir coinflip Eliwood
>>738332773>Kino setup>Gets rejected by prepromote spammers because they can't fanthom training unitsKek
>>738332827Your scrimblo just isn't worth it. Marcus comes pre-promoted and with the time to get immaculate weapon ranks.
>>738332827He mogs every recruit until Hawkeye joins, who is slightly worse, and you don't get a unit who decisively better at base until Harken joins. What world are you living in?
>>738332870>25% speed growth is good but 50% is bad because coinflip
>>738332827Every anti-Marcus argument misses the forest for the trees in thinking endgame stats are relevant.
>>738332928Correct because Eliwood has worse bases hence he is relying on luck to catch up
>>738332827This>He has a better spd growth than, uhh, Dorcas?>He won't get outsped by other units! Oh shit he does since they get to promote. Can't use Eliwood and Lyn either since they're fast too... aha, Hector! He's faster than Hector!
>>738332907>until HawkeyeOH YEAH, the other FE7 unit that has 11 base speed and 25% growth. Geitz is better and comes at a similar time.
>>738332928Marcus can fail to get 5 speed levels and he's still good. Eliwood fails 2 speed levels and he's bench juice.
>>738332943I'll never understand this shit. Nobody is even saying to use him all game, just that the first half of the game MATTERS. Why do people hate on units that are good when you have zero good units? It's easy to have a bunch of gods at endgame.This same shit happens with Citrinne in Engage.
>>738333027Geitz comes never scrimblotard
>>738332907>better at baseOh i forgot this was dungeons and dragons where you are stuck with the stats you rolled at the start of the campaign
>>738333027You're not getting Geitz unless you goon the brains out of your lords, scrimblonigger. It's too little too late with that shmuck.
>>738333067Marcus actually should be used for the entire game though. He very well can be. Again, people miss the point. It's worth investing into Marcus because Paladins are awesome and he's a pre-promoted one that otherwise has the stats to reasonably deal with whatever is thrown at him.
>>73833292825% Speed is acceptable when your base is fine and your combat is good enough for the time you exist.Joining with 11/25% at Chapter 11/33 is fine. Joining with 11/25% at Chapter 25/33 is terrible.
>>738333067>just that the first half of the game MATTERSTherefore, you should also use units for the second half of the game, since he won't be nearly as strong for those dangerous FE7 chapters
>>738333027Not Marcus's strongest defender, but to get Geitz you have to give your lords 50 levels and nobody in their right mind will use shitty swordies eliwood and lyn together
You niggers literally skipped 5 enemies of exp for hector and then fed a whole chapter to marcus right afterwards. Shut the fuck up, its not scrimbloing to actually distribute exp
>>738333147Sure, I use him all game, and think you should. But the point is, even if he only gave you 10 chapters of excellence and then literally exploded on the 11th, he would still be top tier on the basis of that contribution. He doesn't *need* to be useful all game.
>>738333242>Rebecca could have gotten those kills
>>738333242play the next chapter if you care so much
>>738333180A completely untrained Marcus has 15 Res with Pure Water. That alone can make him useful for the magic spam in FE7's lategame maps.
>>738333180FE7 runs overwhelmingly die before the lategame. The "hard" part is early, not late. You're preparing for a ship that is not coming.
>>738333298>play my marcus solo runNo
>>738333342>I CANT PLAY UNLESS THE WHOLE ARMY IS LEVEL 20armortards are just shit at fe, got it
>>738333335>FE7 runs overwhelmingly die before the lategameYeah, because Marcus spammers neglect other units, and then get surprised when they can't fend for themselves.>The "hard" part is early, not lateBBD is a lategame chapter
>>738333117FE7 growth units are trash. Blame IS for being retarded. It literally takes too much exp for them to surpass gods like Marky Mark.
>>738333342Just imagine that Oswin is a Gilliam who we leveled up like 10 times
>baiting griefers into killing the run: episode 30Please, I just want a run without an asterisk
>>738333443
Gilliam OP next thread
>>738331326She capped on speed at 12, there was no point of gambling for her 30% strength growth when promoting gave her more benefits.
>>738333378>If you don't want to spam Marcus, you want to grind to 20!Nuance is a lost concept for ltcfags
>>738333482Props for seeing through my cunning scheme but this run is worm food.
>>738333424>Marcus>Hawkeye>Pent>Harken>VaidaPlus passable filler when the chips are down like>Louise>Isadora (with an Angelic Robe)>Jaffar>RenaultFarina also joins late and has the entire right side of crazed beast to self improve.
>>738333561Apparently, it's efficient giving Marcus bosskills and entire maps of kills for a good 25% growth, so you should've done the same for Vanessa's massive 30% str growth.
>>738333583gonna cry that your rebecca is missing that + hp +res level?
>>738333656hm>>738332827
>>738333684Who else do you even have in mind? Oswin? Lowen? Everyone who joins early is unbelievably shit. There are no units worth investing in in FE7 earlygame, it's crazy.
>Just give him the bosskills>Give him the boosters>His growths will fix himMarcus fags self exposed hard as the true scrimblofags
Why don't Markeks ever compare him to someone like Lowen? Maybe, just maybe, he can be outpaced if someone else helps get kills?! Preposterous!
