They realized that Civ sucked ass and Old World was a much better game.

why does he look like that

movies do the same thing where if the article is negative they will use a picture of a white male and not fucking harriet tubman

I know I'm in the minority but I liked the new system. It allowed for a more freeing play style.

>>738400270
they allowed women and trannies to be on the dev team. things always go tits up

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>niche genre is made up of 90% straight white men
>dude let's try the woke propaganda with them lmao

>>738400270
i kind of get what they were going for, it's dumb when your civ's bonus unit/building is only beneficial for a really narrow range of time and it doesn't make sense for most of them to have different bonuses per age (modern unit for rome/aztecs, ancient buildings for usa, etc). but their "solution" for it completely undercuts the identity of the civ you build up, anyone who has ever played the game would hate this shit.

i genuinely don't know how people making this game are out of touch enough to think people wouldn't care about that, especially when the old games are perfectly playable and you really need to sell them on a reason to get the new one

>>738400270
>p-please come back
"no"

I'm guessing they're still doing the soft-resets on every era, that irks me more than losing the immersion of staying the same civ all game.

>>738400270
Did take two want them to ape humankind or something?

>>738400270
>"We got it wrong"
Go fuck yourself, you wanted to sell civs as dlc for easy money but making a whole balanced civ was too much work so you buchered what was there to acomodate for leaders to be sold

>>738400270
Remove the black women and the suffering will end.

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>>738400564
Yea. Civ 7 had some serious issues but this was one of those why do autistics act like this. Just like The FF7 remakes not bring 1:1 or turn based, or DS2 not being interconnected. Its crazy the insignificant factors Anons lose their mind over.

>>738400691
i enjoy civ v and it still looks/runs well. felt no reason to "upgrade" to vi and i especially don't for vii

>>738400270
imagine if you were making an rpg with a bunch of cool races and some guy came in and said they were making it so no matter what race you started as you'd get forcefully swapped to another one 1/4 in and another one halfway through
that'd be the most retarded bullshit ever

>>738400270
>How did Civ7 go so wrong?
A lot of times people here overuse the wokeness/DEI thing to the point of absurdity, but unironically it was wokeness and DEI, along with the industry being kind of insular.

The root cause of all their problems began when they set an internal goal to have 'better representation' for black leaders, African and native civs, etc. The problem with that has always been that the brand is about the great civilizations and great leaders of history, and the reality is there are more of those in Europe and Asia than Africa. You can really scrape the barrel and get your Mansa Musa and Shaka Zulu in there, but it's hard. That's why the game series has always been Euro/Asia heavy in the first place. They were coming up short with legitimate African or even just female leaders to select, so they made the decision to use people that would have been used as 'Great Person' units in the past, e.g. Harriet Tubman or Ada Lovelace. They couldn't always tie them to a civilization, so the decision was made to fully divorce leader and civ. A lot of their issues with coherence and theme start there. They also just thought too highly of Humankind, much more so than their audience did, and tried to copy ideas from it that didn't really work. But once you make that decision that message and redditorism is more important than brand and design considerations, it's over.

And to be clear, this didn't start with Civ 7, you can see them really trying hard to find non Euro/Asia civs and leaders in past games, but this is clearly the one that kicked it into overdrive as it was developed during the Floyd religious rituals.

>>738400384
they listened to the chuds that complained about 6's artstyle

>>738400270
DEI

>>738400270
This really just sounds like they're weak willed and willing to make their vision less distinct

>>738400270
>"we got it wrong"
The western dev anthem of 2 decades+

>>738400270
kind of wild how they missed the mark on something so key. the whole point of civs being game long was that you basically picked an archetype and stuck with it, with the civ usually having some kind of unit advantage in specific eras for a little bit of extra flavor.

>>738400270
Civ stopped being good after they refuse to have victory cutscene. Change my mind.

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>>738400901
Meh, I honestly did not care that much. Could be the most based leaders of all time it still be a shit game. They dumbed it down too much.
That said replacing the Nietzchie quotes with Zizek does confirm it was developed by the cult of Floyd. So fucking gross.

Another thing that's really frustrating is they constantly repeat the same mistakes, fix them in expansion packs, and then repeat the mistake again in the next game. This has been going on since Civ IV and has to be deliberate at this point. They'll learn what works and doesn't in Beyond the Sword and then Civ V comes and has none of that, they fix it, then Civ VI comes and has none of that, they fix it, then Civ VII comes and so on. It would be nice if Firaxis would keep a journal or something and pick up where the last game left off and not resetting to zero each time just to relearn the same shit again.

>>738401201
>Could be the most based leaders of all time it still be a shit game
The one thing flows from the other. If it was a real leader roster but the same game, it would be shit, but a lot of the decisions that make it a shit game flow from that initial direction that the single highest priority was representation. If instead they had a team that understood what the appeal of Civ actually is and just sat down to make a Civ game and not a social statement, the design would have turned out differently.

>>738400691
>games about how any civ can become a world power is fine until there's a brown person in the marketing material

>>738401242
at this point anyone who buys a civ game day 1 is a chump. I've bought every civ I own at a deep discount with all the DLC included in a bundle because I know their MO at this point.

>>738400691
>90% straight white men
>dude let's try the woke propaganda with them lmao
Well yeah, you don't preach to the choir, you propagandize at those who need their beliefs and impression of the world changed.

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>>738401024
I always hear this but disagree. Your post hit me though, I dont think there are any good American games. They just priced themselves out of the market. If you dont make a billion its not feasible. I do think the future is Eastern Europe as those Northern Nigerian sub humans work for peanuts. Owlcat sold a million units which would bankrupt most firms but they 10x in size becuase a 100 million is the equivalent of a billion in America.

>>738400270
I lost all interest in civ games when i found out the AI doesnt actually "play" the game and its all just made up numbers for their yields

>>738401428
Correct, if I wanted browns in my entertainment I'd watch Indian trainrides on liveleak

>>738401591
>Owlcat
Has never made a good or even a decent game.

>>738401201
Nihilism refutes itself, what is even the problem? If you try to say nihilism is true you contradict yourself by believing in truth and its nonsequitur that because we don't know what matters that means nothing matters, for all we know everything could matter. Furthermore, mattering is a value judgement, value is interpersonal and subjective, it doesn’t exist outside of the point of consumption.

I started with 2 on fucking Mac. I've tried to go back to it but the UI on PC is offputting enough to dislike it. 3 added culture which was pretty much just fucking annoying. I skipped 4 which everyone says is the best one. 5 was dumb because you just build military units. Maybe that always worked. Think that is also the start of the hex grid non-unit stacking which is annoying again. Anyway can't care about this series any more; it's graphical upgrades with no actual game improvement.

>>738401603
the irony of posting this about a game franchise that has featured india since day 1 is quite something.

>>738401631
I like them but your missing the point. That was just the math showing the future will be Larian, Rockstar, cdprojectred, and whoever made KCD.

>>738401591
Lets first see if they survive the Expanse and their own expansion, they publish now afterall

>>738400883
BASED AND TRUTHPILLED.

I have the pinnacle of the 4X genre: Sid Mier's Alpha Centari (Alien Crossfire) on Steam. Why on Earth do I need anything more?

>>738400561
-t noticer

>>738401558
that's the irony of it though. They're also the most resistant and all that ends up happening is the antithesis of acquiescence. They start sperging out and attacking. What does get accomplished though, and this never gets talked about but is the true secret goal, is that history basically gets re-written for the newer generations. That's the true target audience. It's the younger ones who consume this and that is the new normal version of culture and history for them. When they see the fight going on, they see tired adults going back and forth and nothing more.

>>738401727
And it also had brown people in marketing material before, hmm maybe that other poster is full of shit and intentionally missing the point about the woke bullshit shoved into this one.

>>738401727
wat, you saying Ghandi nukes were not a trainwreak by itself every time?

Nothing ever happens.
Even with ToT, the game will still have less players than 5. Maybe it'll go over it on it's first post-release weekend and go down below it on the next.
That's my prediction.

>>738400270
>dylan roof
>roman leader
what did they REALLY mean by this?

I think the idea with a game like this is you have to make SOME kind of radical changes or else its hard to justify the point of making another sequel at all

>>738400270
Don't care, never touching Civ: Hariet Tubman edition.
That said, how is Civ 6 nowadays? Is it actually a good civ game? I have 1000 hours in Civ V but never really gave Civ 6 a fair shake.

>>738400853
This is just woke propaganda to make you more subservient. Wait is that what autism has been about this whole time? Labeling people Thant can’t be controlled?

>>738401821
>brown people in this one is woke despite them not being woke before recently because I say so!
very interesting

>>738400891
Chrono Cross does the ol switcheroo and it's total bullshit. Also the much hated Last of Us 2 though I haven't played it.

>>738400691
This is partly driven by marketing shitheads that go "WE CAN REACH A BIGGER AUDIENCE THIS WAY" and the executives that nod along. But these marketing shitheads are either oblivious to how overblown people like woke shit, or they think they are just on the right side of history. It's starting to be that the former are realizing it doesn't actually sell and the latter are losing support because of it.

>>738401884
I think its the perfect game... but the AI is so atrocious that is what 7 was all about, they had to dumb it down. 6 is too easy and if you turn it up it becomes playing chess against a 3yrold with nothing but Queen Peices.
5 was the only one I missed. How is the AI with 1upt?

>>738402089
>How is the AI with 1upt?
terrible

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>>738401910
Changing civs through the ages is woke propaganda? I cant tell what is a bot, what is a Russian troll, and what is a parrot Anon with fried out almonds anymore.

>>738400853
>Bawww why are you not giving me money for (thing you not wanted)?
Anon, you are holding the money they want, so they are the ones who need comply or GTFO. Not the other way around

>>738401970
>these marketing shitheads are either oblivious to how overblown people like woke shit
This is downstream of allowing reddit super mod positions to be captured by woke activists. What happens in these companies is they want to make data based decisions (and often times have an actual legal obligation to document that they're doing so), and they hire consulting groups like Meltwater to tell them where the market is at and what it likes and doesn't like. Well, Meltwater just aggregates reddit under the guise that this represents natural, organic conversations of millions of users. What it actually represents is a lot of bots, botted votes, heavily manipulated conversations that have been subject to direct and self censorship by captured mods, and so on. And so the C suite gets a report about what the market wants, and it's actually a report about the 2% of reddit accounts that actually post, and what the moderators allowed them to post on any given topic, and surprise - those accounts all really like out of place and heavy, weird diversity focuses. Everyone always blames Blackrock and similar groups, and they play a role, but this is how it happens a lot of the time.

Too little too late. I'm sticking with Civ 6 until Civ 8 is finished (i.e. has 2 expansions released and is on sale with all DLC for cheap).

>>738402231
We had 6 entries in a row where you didn't you stupid, ugly retard. Please kill yourself

>>738402231
>I cant comprehend things so other people are stupid
Sign of a midwit

>>738400764
Yes. They thought the Humankind gimmick would be a hit so they implemented it. Then they saw HK flop, but it was too late to do anything.

>>738402231
Huh? Oh yeah that does sound like woke propaganda through and through for sure, but I was talking about the image I replied to and it is just blatantly against categoricals because those cause problems for people in charge doing bad things.

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>Ceo Claims the game was profitable
Okay... but why are they 'apologizing' for the reception it had and spent half the year working to make the game's supposed draw optional?

>>738402223
Yea. Yet 4 being great I just cant go back yo the stacks of doom.
So 7 actually has great non city combat. Its the one area it excelled at. So thats my theory. They dumbed it fown so the AI could actually play, but it felt like such a step back people hated it.

>>738401970
love posts like these because it's like yeah man no civ has ever been woke in marketing before, just ignore the universally loved Baba Yetu which was written in Swahili and performed by an African gospel choir in fuckin 2005. it's those damn WOKIES at it again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A

>>738401884
How you feel about 6 depends on if you like the district system or not. If you enjoy it, it's basically a better version of V. If you don't, it's garbage.

>>738402415
because despite the profit the critical reception has been bad and they want to let the people who bought the game know they're working to address their issues with the game?

>>738402463
actual africans doing the few things they are good at has always been less woke than amerigroids being worshiped for simply existing

>>738402463
>a christian gospel group is woke
You would call them christcucks if you weren't shilling for nu-civ

>>738402463
Having African music (GOOD African music btw) is not the same as making Harriet Tubman a 'leader'

>>738402415
Because shit sequels are often profitable but anything that follows will crater because they lost all goodwill. This ceo can think into the future, truly a genius

>>738402608
True

>>738402463
>remember when you liked an african chorus?
>you literally asked to be ostracized by society now stop crashing the games industry!!!!
Is this their best?

>>738402463
At first I thought it was leftists pretending not to understand but you are actually grasping in the dark, truly retarded. May god have mercy on your soul

>>738401920
>different things are different
stop the fucken presses the commonwealth of mongolian bantus needs to hear this

>>738402608
>celebrating a people's culture by having them to perform the main theme to your game in their native language is less woke than having a brown civ leader
lol

>>738402707
Now we're bad-faithing. 'hurr you jus have a problem wif a leader being broown'

>>738400691
the funniest part of this post is that Endless Space 2 is incredibly woke

>>738402693
>different things
are they though? or is the only difference here that you've allowed 4chan to brainwash you into seething at brown people on sight

>>738402318
Are you Indian or actually retarded. Thats not a rebuttal in the slightest, lol. Anything not in the past games is woke. This is why its good women dont fuck you and your gene line ends with you.
>>738402329
Much less so but the above still applies.
>>738402346
Woke is very autism friendly. That said excellent post, wish other anons were a quarter as smart and at least tried to emulate you.

>>738402707
I’m starting to realize the left is just idiots silencing people with semantics

>>738402778
yes, they are.

>>738402761
is that not the issue? if that's not the problem, what is?

>>738400270
So the boomer exec that forced this finally retired huh?

>>738402843
Putting Harriet Tubman on the same level as George Washington

>>738402812
how so?

>people like civ because of leaders and civilizations
>hmmm what if we made it so you don't play as a leader or civilization

>>738400270
>How did Civ7 go so wrong?
I assume it was someone deciding to reinvent the wheel to "leave his mark" on the franchise while completely misunderstanding what the series core strengths were.
Literally coppied what all the half-dead Civ clones were doing with customisable (read; characterless) civilizations.

>>738402707
if you listen to baba yetu and don't think that it sounds good enough to be the civ theme on its own merits then I don't know what to tell you

>>738402778
>y-you were brainwashed into disliking dysgenic ugly people
Wtf I love propaganda now.

>>738400853
Nice barnum effect meme.

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>>738402884
you're right that's a disservice to Harriet, she's much better than he was

>>738402992
No, he actually doesn't understand. I don't think he ever will

>>738402901
the difference between a monty python sketch and a documentary.

>>738402992
>reposting an image of someone just repeating an insult aimed at them with the labels flipped
lol

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>>738402884
I mean I did have fun being African Warlord Harriet Tubman overrunning France with my Bantu pirate classes. They have no science buildings so the only way to increase it is through pillaging. I just wish the game let you rape.

>>738403078
Do you know what the word insult means

>>738402978
What did you score?

>>738402940
You do play as one leader through 7, that's the constant
Civ-swapping was an interesting idea to me, but it should always have been optional and come with trade-offs, since in real life sure plenty of societies have changed beyond recognition over the ages but some have also persisted under the same nationality for thousands of years

>>738400270
i am convinced that there's a good idea somewhere in there
i think it'd be interesting if every civ had a "branching path" that changed available research, units, bonuses, and aesthetics as you travel through the ages
but i don't think that it would work with real-life civs (unless you go full alt-history/alt-future) and i'm not sure it would work for the civ series at all

but i think it's a potentially interesting idea
too much work for modern devs though

>>738402992
just saying 'how dare they put browns in my civ' does make you look like the leftoid's strawman

>>738403221
but they don't have those full animations like in previous 3 games

>>738403194
>he doesn't know
the original post was something like this
>it's amazing how much right wing discourse is them being too stupid to understand how anything works, making discussion impossible
this guy slightly altered it as a "no u" and to make leftists seem more malicious by pretending to be stupid instead of you guys actually being morons.

>Leftists intentionally skipping the anon that explained why this civ is woke so they can bait and shit up the thread
You can only create enemies

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>>738403221
100% agree. So many things went wrong but that one's autism >>738400853

>>738402463
I laughed, thanks retard.

>>738403354
Are these the new instructions you received? Just make shit up and hope everyone else is as retarded as you?

>>738403441
It's probably not even a leftist. Nothing here is true position, modern /v/ is just a place for different discords to come and try to piss each other off. He's on the fag board in another tab promoting TND.

>>738403441
you're gonna have to point to the post because so far all I've seen is seething and saying
>you don't understand
while refusing to actually explain

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>>738403605
Probably, it's just so tiresome.

>>738403605
oh no I am certainly a leftist, which is why the outrage about civ in particular baffles me because as far as I can tell it's very much been woke for a very long time. the whole situation reeks of
>everything that was woke before I got turned into a drooling moron by 4chan posts doesn't count

>>738400853
>strong sense of right and wrong
and this is meant to be viewed as bad, a disability even

>>738403826
>anons tell you that haritet tubman is the problem since she isn't a national leader
>you just dismiss that and say lol she's actually better person than one of the creators of the nation
and if youre a leftists we know that deep down you're the one that hates the soweto gospel choir since they are literally gospel believing christian

>>738403826
Before they had Nietzchie quotes so it wasn't that woke. This time their philosopher of choice was Zizek. I know you haven't read either of them but its a blatant example of the rot in the core. Existentialism is about radical personal responsibility and they replaced it with a man who is currently on YouTube discussing how everything is rich white guys faults...
And they gave him 4 upgrades, its not just a one off thing.

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>>738403826
OK keep scratching your head. No one's buying it either way.

>>738404017
Your one sided bigotry and senseless condemnation of people without considering the socio-economic situation that led them to this point isn't good yeah

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>>738400691
Reminder that Civ 4 had a tech quote that was positive about communism and negative about fascism. You should also give Civ 5's Ottomans Civilopedia entry a read. The series has been "woke" for a while, you just weren't politically aware at the time so you brushed it off.

>>738403826
>claims to understand business better than ceos
>but can he understand why gamers hate his games?

>>738404213
>>anons tell you that haritet tubman is the problem since she isn't a national leader
you are the first person in this thread to say that, the only other answer I got was
>they put her on the same level as George washington
which I think is fine, Civ 7's whole deal is picking and choosing civs and leaders anyway, don't like her, pick fucking Ben Franklin instead then.

>>738404541
woke is a range, not an on/off switch.

>>738404507
Are we referring to black people? Check sowells take on that. Welfare destroys people, and the left have made the blacks their special welfare target since the 60s. The result? Black welfare has been in free fall since.. the 60s?

>>738404404
yeah because the game blows mechanically, not because of the delusion you call the silent majority. you lads just cry woke flops about everything until something actually flops because the game is bad, then claim a culture war victory like you fags throwing hissyfits on here 24/7 did anything

>>738404669
ctrl+f harriet

>>738404770
But you accepted propaganda in the past so you have to accept more of it now!

>>738404304
Leftists are pretty cool with Nietzsche overall, he doesn't fully represent all tenets of leftism but he was always cited when it came to removing the influence of religion from the west. The left in general was citing Nietzsche while railing against Christianity long before small extremist segments of the modern right started doing it.

>>738400270
There is nothing wrong with changing civ at the end of an era

>>738404795
So did you find a third hecking woke success or are you going to harp on about bg3 and that other one for all eternity

>>738402335
You people keep saying that but do you actually have any proof to back up that argument?

>>738404541
>say something nice about fascism or you're woke!!1!
whew lad

>>738404949
slay the spire 2 and Celeste were both pretty big woke successes too. there also's the entire Civ franchise before this game which flopped because it played like ass to stay on topic but please do go on about concord and dustborn for the millionth time.

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>>738404541
Yea but anyone who read history knows Communism is superior to facism. Its the second best system as it whooped the tsar and modernized most countries it went to.
Ottoman Empire played a roll in preserving Western though, was pretty progressive, and was top dodog in the region for a reason. Thats not woke. Shitting on the British Empire and America who are the undisputed GOATs is whats woke. Thats what 7 got wrong. Everything good I can say about those empires the Anglos did 10x better. I respect all those who deserve respect, I just know who the top dogs are and Civ 7 decided to piss all over that. Putting GB behind DLC, Tubman over Washington, and never shutting the fuck up about imperialism in their upgrades like ending slavery, raising life expectancies and modernizing browns was a bad thing.

>>738405165
At the very least, they could have been impartial when representing both. They have a quote that's outright positive for communism, an ideology that has been far more destructive than fascism ever was, while fascism gets shat on.

>>738404856
Nietzsche is an essential pillar in post modernism and the left. Lefties themselves seem to take his criticisms of capitalism for granted and rationalize that he just wasn’t talking about them when he criticized communism.

>>738405204
What's woke about stp2? What's woke about Celeste?

>>738405204
>Slay the Spire 2 is woke because of a name in the credits
Are you fucking retarded?

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>>738405348
>what's woke about StP2
Anita is credited for her consulting work done in the game
>What's woke about Celeste
oh boy I get to post my favorite image again

>>738405267
womp womp, poor nazi chuds like you can't stop losing I guess

>>738405442
>are you fucking retarded
I am just trying to use the same standards this place is using when they call things woke anon. perhaps you should be aiming that question at your peers, and not at me for using the standards they set.

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>>738404856
He just hates groups so the right/left duality doesnt really fit. Still, even though it was more his sister selling it, the Nazis loved him for a reason, even if he would have hated the Nazis. More importantly though, fucking Zizek?!

>>738405518
>not at me for using the standards they set.
If you think like a child you're retarded even if you're in a kindergarten classroom.

>>738405489
What do you get out of LARPing as a redditor on 4chuds?

>>738405448
And how does that make them woke successes moron? Did people buy Celeste because it shoved a trans flag into a corner in the credits? What kind of a retard bought slay the spire because it featured Anita in the credits? Can you even comprehend what you're arguing over?

>>738404795
Cant speak for the others but the fact they chose Ada Lovelace over Alan Turing as a British leader was way over the line for me. Even you as a leftist should understand how dirty that was. They might fix those bad mechanics with their updates and DLCs but I am not going to forgive them for this one.

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>>738400691
For me, it's Call To Power 2.

>>738405710
so let me get this straight, woke successes are because the games are good, but woke failures are because the game is woke? or do you agree with me that Civ 7 isn't very popular because it's a bad game mechanically

Zizek is based but not as based as Neitzche and, more importantly, is too contemporary to be quoted on anything but the latest techs in the tree

>>738405569
>the Nazis loved him for a reason
It really is hilarious since he desperately wanted to renounce his German heritage and lied about being Polish. He also said Jews were the strongest race in Europe and wanted them to intermix with Prussian aristocracy. People really do just cherry-pick what they like about his ideas.

>>738405774
Ahead of its time. I still think about the Edison world wonder decades later. This game 100% turned me into a Social Studies nerd.

>>738405448
>mewgenics owes it's success to the granny rapist community because it featured chris-chan

>>738405643
to reach children one must stoop to their level

>>738405876
so you agree with me that a game's gameplay matters more than woke/unwoke, and that if a woke game fails it was because it was a bad mechanical experience. thank you for agreeing with me

>>738405949
so what happens when those children don't actually exist and you're just shadowboxing yourself

>>738405235
Anyone who knows history knows that America created the USSR.
>1917 world war 1 ending in stalemate and russia had already left
>england gets russia back in by promising america will join
>tsar is deposed for breaking his promise to his people not to go back to war
>lenin take over the new congress in a coup and acknowledges americas involvement as essential
>literally nothing happens for 10 years because lenins russia was a fail state hiding in moscow after trying to force communism failed horribly in their faces
>stalin takes over and kills a bunch of people and gets funding from fdr
>ww2 ends and America just gives the USSR all its territory for no reason, and Harry Dexter White, the Soviet spy who designed the bretton woods system and put America in charge of the world, convinces America to give Russia plates for printing west german marks which they proceed to print to oblivion for a few years before getting cut off
>stalin now dies and the reform era begins
>this era is characterized by foreign aid and everyone just going through the motions pretending to work and pretending to get paid
>the whole thing collapses before it’s 75th birthday.

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>>738405864
It just struck me how similar that is to modern times. We really are living in a nazi level age of propaganda.

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>>738405165
>Communism is jews taking over you government and then your economy
>Capitalism is jews taking over you economy and then your government
>Fascism is not letting jews take over your government or your economy
That's just how it be. I don't make the rules, accept fascism or stay homosexual

>>738400270
Civswapping is an interesting gimmick, but it takes good directors to make it work.
I always thought it was because they put Tubman in the game that turned the audience away. It’s like they don’t know their own customers.
The launch also seemed disastrous.

>>738406101
ironic since the very word nazi was just ally propaganda from the beginning

>>738406039
What are you smoking retard? Writing is a part of video games and if the writing is complete dogshit in a game with tons of writing not even the highest quality gameplay can save it.

>>738406117
I was told fascism was invented by Jews

>>738406117
Fascism has been tried before and failed miserably. An ideology that's supposed to make a nation strong got utterly humiliated in defeat by communists.

>>738400691
it's not like minorities like woke stuff either tho, it's basically only insane white women and their simps

>>738406220
He just desperately wants you to say that the mere sight of black skin makes you seethe and doesnt get how other people can smell his stink coming off games from a mile away

>>738406213
And the world national socialist was a lie invented by the National socialist party in order to attract more voters

>>738406220
I could not care less about a games writing. I’m there to play a fucking game not watch a movie or read a book you pretentious fucking faggot.
The best writing in any game is no writing.

>>738406271
did you know that hitler had a micropenis and one testicle and raped his dog and forced anne frank to look at inflation vore hentai

>>738406054
>everyone who makes my ideology look bad don't really exist
I could go into just about any thread on here and find the exact flavor of retard I'm talking about. this place is the retarded chuddy daycare. I can't even shadowbox without accidentally hitting one of these bozos square in the mouth. the FIRST post in this thread >>738346268 is crying about woke shit anon.

>>738406058
There was a banker in New York who played a big role in financing Lenin.
>>literally nothing happens for 10 years because lenins russia was a fail state hiding in moscow after trying to force communism failed horribly in their faces
That said I dont think this is true. Even with a world War followed by a civil war I think litterally anything was better than the feudal Agrarian society the tsar pushed and both GDP and society advanced.
I dont know though, you could be right.

>>738406294
>American lend-lease is Communist

>>738406294
Germany went from a destroyed nation after WWI to having the strength to fight the entire continent. How is that failure?
>oh but if literally everyone piles up on you because you stopped giving jews their shekles then you aren't so tough, huh?
Like goddamn, imagine if they had been allowed to rebuild for a couple more decades, or americans didn't let jews steal tv technology to propagandize the whites in america to go kill the whites in europe.

>>738406343
Good for you? But some games have writing and if the writing is dogshit because it's trying to hamfistedly force irl social issues into every story it detracts from the gameplay and that's what wer're talking about. So why are you defending dogshit writing if you don't care about writing?

>>738406058
Im paralyzed by where to even begin correcting how wrong this entire statement is.

>>738406365
so you're publicly humiliating yourself in that thread too?

>>738406365
So you’re raging at us because some guy baited you with fpbp

Now of course comes the obligatory why are you even here, and of course you’ll say some inane shit about your 4chan pedigree and maybe challenge mine, but actually why are you here, and if this place is something you value, maybe value it?

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>>738406271
This has unironically been extremely effective in moving /pol/ board culture toward/away from certain things. That board went from fairly libertarian to essentially nazbol in modern times with sheer persistence.

>>738400270
woketard devs

>>738406608
nope haven't posted in that thread once, I just clicked the first STS2 thread I saw in the catalog and scrolled until I found the exact kind of idiot I was looking for. it did not take long.

>>738400270
>Take-Two
>ever getting anything right
take one

>>738406525
>got btfo by a tag team of communists and a nation that was a combination of Jewish/Negro according to Hitler

>>738406625
>why are you here if you're outside the group think
you couldn't gatekeep a turd from your diaper

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>>738406441
There was a whole ass explosion of jews in the 20th century after they killed the russian tsar and moved to assassinate every other monarch around the planet to try and obtain global domination.
And this whole web still goes almost completely unreported nowadays.

>>738406716
uh huh. and you found out about anita being in the credits how exactly?

>>738400270
shareholders

>>738401428
No one had a problem with Gandhi, or Ramses, or Montezuma, or Nebuchanezzer, or Darius, or Pacal. Even the Shoshone were a halfway decent civ. The issue is they got so obsessed with minorities they started outright making things up while NOT INCLUDING THE BRITISH EMPIRE.

>>738400561
The best thing is to listen to spanish speaking politicians, when they're saying bullshit, they always say both genders every time they refer to a group of people, but when a catastrophe happened and they have to be serious, they go back to the masculine neutral.
Same shit if they speak about something good it's both genders, if it's something bad it's the masculine neutral so it looks like men are the problem.

>>738406441
No, nothing happened. They tried to implement communism for a couple years and it didn’t work and the whole thing was rolled back in 1921. The communists refer to this period as war communism, to try and say that the reason it didn’t work was because the white army, but the white army hadn’t existed for years at that point. So they hid away until stalin took power and forced everyone to give up their community capitalists at gun point. What they got of course was the poorest and least liked members of the communities, but this didn’t matter, now everyone was a liar and a traitor to each other and stalin worked hard to keep it that way while getting funded from overseas thanks to everyone glorifying the depression proof communist success that was just propaganda from behind the iron curtain.

>>738406775
>and you found out about anita being in the credits how exactly?
I found out from the outrage bozos here of course, you think I just made up people here crying about Anita? brother they're the ones who told me she was credited!

>>738406773
You think you're outside the group think because? Do you even know who you're talking to?

>>738406883
making the brits DLC is very funny so I'll allow it

>>738406774
Killing the tsar was based though

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>>738406058
nm, I just asked Gemini. I was very wrong. Economy shrank 85% during the Civil War, St Petersurburg shrank 60%, 6 million starved, and after things recovered but just to 1913 levels. I hate tankies but respected his purity, never knew he was as big a clown as Stalin.

>>738406934
outrage bozos such as yourself? you do know that this is a civ thread right? you

>>738407021
Democracy is the worst form of government ever conceived. We have advanced in spite of democracy not because of it, and if America never entered world war 1 mainland Europe would still be dominated by monarchy.

>>738407021
Nah, they were White and killing them led not only to the red terror with jews genociding over 30 million White Christians but also to the complete clown show we have nowadays.
Humanity would legit be a 10000000 years more advanced if someone had gone back in time to shoot baby lenin or something

>>738407049
Yes, that is a very funny point anon, lenin inherited 3 million russian factories and left it with 1.7. There was no infamous communist growth that brought russia out of feudalism.

>>738407053
this whole thing started because I questioned the outrage about Civ and being woke when it's been woke for eons now, I was asked to name more successful "woke" games, and I did using the very standards of woke set by people here. you stroke out mid post or something?

>>738400691
Man, the endless space devs really fell off hard
Dungeon of the endless 2 and endless legend 2 are such massive disappointments

>>738407220
you used your own deranged standards. you used the most obvious troll of a post as your example. you had a celeste twitter post saved to your personal computer. did you just so happen to get it from the front page of the catalog while avoiding every bump limit thread about it like slay the spire too?

>>738400564
7 actually has a lot going for it, but nobody wants to touch it because they hate the civ switching, and I get it. Map gen and late-game performance have been fixed in patches, now it mostly needs better legacy paths/win conditions. It might just be another case of needing to wait a few years for it to get good, like every other Civ game.

>>738400384
Based off of IRL sculptures

>>738401910
Social cohesion and shame have been central to keeping civilization intact for millennia, and autists are immune to shame and ignorant of societal standards.
So yes, in a way you're very right.

>>738407619
they're also extremely retarded and fall for propaganda very easily

>>738407619
Actually autists are overaware of social standards so they get hung up on kindergarten tier education and rules and can't reconcile it with reality after they leave their caretakers.

>>738407125
What the fuck are you on about? US involvement in WW1 was far too minor to really make a difference. The most they did was try to push the Allied Powers to be less harsh on Germany when everything was over.

>>738407757
So do you lmao

>>738407356
What was wrong with them? I haven't tried them yet.

>All these arguments defending this flop
I don't understand why people do this when it's apparent it failed

>>738407769
>US involvement in WW1 was far too minor to really make a difference.
Retarded or advanced level communist coping. The US entering world war 1 made it world war 1 and ended the world was it was known to pave the way for modern democracy. President Wilson stated this as his intentions even. US involvement is directly responsible for the treaty of versailles and thus the cause of world war 2 as well.

Had the US not intervened mainland Europe would be dominated by monarchy today and communism never would have happened.

>>738400703
they overestimated how much people cared about civ as a strategy game and underestimated how much people cared about it as a roleplay/immersion thing

im in the former category and do not give a fuck about larping as caesar or whatever and ive loved civ 7 since launch because mixing and matching/switching gives you orders of magnitude more options strategically, but i recognise im in a minority not caring about the immersion at all and i could have told you that before civ 7 was ever announced. how firaxis missed that its something a lot of their playerbase cares about is beyond me

>>738408117
It gets them replies, sad really.

>>738407418
Is there finally a world Map? My plan was to give it another try than.

>>738407974
Low quality + obvious dei inserts

>>738407758
Translation: categorical concepts like right and wrong interferes with my political opinions grr I hate these kindergartners that still care about right and wrong

>>738401428
civ7 is so retarded woke its tasteless and racist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZx9XHdD5m4

>>738400270
It’s almost like having a game where you take your Civ and see if they can last through time requires you to be that Civ the whole time instead of resetting 2 extra times and restarting the game twice because you might be getting your ass kicked by a retarded ai

>>738408320
Could you please be more specific?

>>738401727
Go back to work, rajesh

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no Himiko

>>738408502
Fuck you bloody bastard, I fuck your sister.

>>738408516
shes literally in the game twice

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>>738400270
>I don’t understand. How did Civ7 go so wrong?
it didnt

>>738408238
>Is there finally a world Map?
Like an Earth map? No, and it's bullshit. There are mods though.

>>738402231
Because they wanted blacks and browns to get cool units and buildings and lead powerful late game civs instead of always getting archers and impi and with their unique mud huts and getting wrecked or being vassals of the white man by he renaissance age. That’s why they added in you could be any Civ and you get all these non leader blacks and browns in the game over Alexander the mother fucking great

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>>738404541
It wasn't positive about communism, it was positive of the line off thought that suggests communism. Different but important, this mistake kills millions of communists!

The actual civ 4 commie propaganda though is state property which it unlocks because
>turn corporations off (when they come so late that if you're playing deity or thereabouts, you're never gonna see a corporation unless you fucked up your midgame wars badly) +
>NO MAINTENANCE COST FROM DISTANCE TO CAPITAL
is so busted in the economy civic stack that it's basically a forced pick

Like it's actually disgusting: environmentalism is trash (higher maintenance cost for corpos, comes LATE, +8 health which is worth about 2 pop per city without other capping factors), free market is just aight (+1 trade root for ~2 gold/city), mercantilism is only good early game (free scientist per city for -1 or 2 gold per city).

If you aren't running state property you are probably bad at video games.

>>738401674
You are not as smart as you think you are

>>738401558
>you propagandize at those who need their beliefs and impression of the world changed.
But not at the expense of your old believers. Thats their mistake.

>>738400883
civ v runs like shit and constantly crashes albeit

>>738408995
>Alexander the mother fucking great
hes free with the update in the OP, ironically

>>738408456
Main playable human character is a lesbian girl boss dyke heavy gunner
Also gameplay is so bad it has negative sometimes mixed reviews on steam at best
Has literally nothing in common with the original game either

how could Sid let this happen?

>>738401201
>Zizek
A "neo marxist" "intellectual" that wants to destroy the west? Disgusting. I have seen first hand where his beliefs lead to, and they only bring destruction and poverty to all but a small caste of cultists that worship Marx as a god.

The fact he comes from Slovenia, who lost hundreds of thousands to Tito and his cronies' Yugoslavic red madness is extremely disturbing to me. Some people really should get their heads smashed in for being too retarded.

>>738402463
Liking good music isn't woke. If they put some niggerbabble mumblerap music as the main theme, then it would be woke, but Baba Yetu is perfectly fitting for a main theme song for Civ 4, especially when combined with the excellent cinematic.

>>738409453
It makes sense. Through mass murder communist regimes select for retards and bootlickers. Sure it keeps them poor and unstable, but there will never be any shortage of useful idiots even after the regime collapses.

>>738409049
I mean, it "makes sense" if you consider that Civ is a commie simulator.
You are running an absurdly totalitarian regime where the only thing you don't control is how people fuck.
You control all land and religion, there are no companies or corporations, everyone is paid an exact table-defined and fixed amount, there are no opinion polls or elections, it is you who build anything and everything.

But that's simply the nature of boardgames. They're that, not simulators.

>>738401603
Nobody tell this guy about Gandhi in Civ

>>738409049
Environmentalism should be a straight debuff to every civilization. The entire purpose of that ideology is to suppress human development to arbitrarily preserve the life of the weaker wildlife critters that cannot adapt to human industrial society, to enable them to continue spending all day hunting and raping each other.

It has no moral, cultural, or economic value. In fact fuck it, it shouldn't be a debuff, you should just lose a civ game the instant you implement environmentalism because it shows that your society has completely given up on logic or growth and has entered the decay and self hatred stage.

>>738406883
Lemme guess. They made Hannibal black even though we know damn well he wasn't.

>>738409584
slavery is OP too i guess firaxis tem at that time was really pro slavery

>>738409453
You've clearly never read Zizek

>>738406441
>That said I dont think this is true. Even with a world War followed by a civil war I think litterally anything was better than the feudal Agrarian society the tsar pushed and both GDP and society advanced.
That's less a success of communism and more a display of just how awful Romanov rule was.

>>738400270
>game about the progress of civilizations over millennia
>each race is inevitably replaced by browns

They tried to copy Humankind for some reason. Baffling, since I put 300+ hours into HK and you'd only need like 50 hours or so to see ALL the glaring issues, which for a 4x game, is no time at all.

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>>738404507
Projection bro

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>>738409982
They got the wrong Hannibal

>>738406883
>biggest barrier to adding more women to the game is they generally weren't great leaders historically
>they just throw out the idea that leader should even be leaders or tied to civs so they just add literally anybody for the ESG score
lol

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>>738409936
>Environmentalism should be a straight debuff to every civilization
It pretty much is in Civ 6 but most 6 games that people are seriously playing never reach the industrial age in which the environmentalism policies or choices start to edge out. Granted, that's more of a problem of civ 6 having really poor balancing for tall play.
I've played a lot of 6 multiplayer and I don't think I've ever seen someone win a diplomatic victory. It's near impossible because the entire lobby has to stumble themselves into not somehow snowballing and unlike 5, the victories are much more tied to good civ/city management rather than focused types of victories.

I'd say Civilization as a whole manages it pretty well, the late-game Civ 6 additions via the DLC are things you run into when things go tits up or you go one One More Turn

>>738400270
Maybe they should replace Harriet tubman with actual leaders. Even just the leaders of the under ground railroad instead of just the one person every half wit knows about because she was black and actually doing work without someone whipping her.

>>738410585
>picrel
is this real?

>>738400703
What is this stupid excuse I keep seeing?
What's easier : creating bonuses that are age agnostic or spliting the game into ages?

>>738404507
So you attempt to justify wrongs as "necessary". That is in itself, a wrong thing to do in my books.

>>738401869
They have a spy launcher. They have data on what and how people play.

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>>738409584
I kinda dislike this model because it does pretty good with other civics as simulation (with the exception of bureaucracy which doesn't feel like a bureaucracy at all desu). They could've used something like nuclear plants having small chance of meltdown of
>chance of purges pereriodically
That would basically be like forced unhappiness from slavery whips plus a population reduction. Something to simulate
>it's great for a while, but you will want to switch it off

>>738409936
It already is, 2 pop per late game city is worth 6-7ish ish gold per city (one needed for food, the other for working a city). Usually less because a lot of your late game cities suck because you got them from conquest, and typically you're already working all your city's towns, so it's downweighted.

Compare with cost for distance from capital being 0.29 * "steps it'd take a warrior to walk to it", so after 20 tiles walk distance, you're already are losing more for every enviro city in its perfectly optimized state (you have to grow those cities, and you need to build public transit), than you gain INSTANTLY under state property.

>The entire purpose of that ideology is to suppress human development to arbitrarily preserve the life of the weaker wildlife critters that cannot adapt
it's civ 4, not smac. I think if there were a few more civics in each category, there'd be degrowth as a civic independent of environmentalism.

As it is, civ 4 being a better sim would've benefited from a health version of late game global warning or emancipation where civs without environmentalism on get some kind of passive production and health debuff post combustion to simulate
>it's actually bad when rivers in ohio catch fire from pollution
or
>city smog and unlivability actually does really fucking suck and get worse over time in ways that fuck with production and eventually need to be addressed by the state
ala china ramping up environmental pollution controls because Shenzhen looked like this

>>738410713
I will now buy your game.

>>738410190
Russia is just cursed, nothing good can happen there.

>>738406117
>I don't make the rules, accept fascism or stay homosexual
"Fascism is inherently homosexual" - Uncle Joe Stalin

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>he doesn't know that all major political ideologies were made by homosexuals
I mean, when you think about it, it just makes sense. What man has time and money to start a political movement when he's married and has children?

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>>738400270
What a shock

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>>738401591
You made me realise that Dispatch is the only new American game I've played in the last few years, virtually all of the recent releases I've been playing have been British or some flavour or European.

>suddenly remembered Ready Or Not after typing that
>look it up
>Irish
Well colour me surprised.

>>738412654
Lu Tian tonguing my pussy all night!

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Firaxis could livestream every employee doing a naked dogeza and I still wouldn't buy Civilization VII. Every female employee, that is. The issue is that Firaxis is owned by 2K, and 2K was already straining the relationship between product and consumer with VI: pre-order bonus DLC, DLC civilizations, DLC leaders, DLC leader personas, expansions. I bought all of it, but I bought it very begrudgingly because
1. I liked the game
2. I knew I'd get my money's worth out of the DLC

You can't do your, "We were wrong, we're sorry," apology world tour if you're owned by 2K, because 2K is going to rape consumers regardless of how sorry you are. Any consumer with two neurons to rub together has no reason to trust Firaxis to un-fuck VI, or to trust 2K to not rape them.

What moron would fall for this?

>>738411924
joe "his own mother was ashamed of him" stalinigger? wow

>>738400270
They intentionally sacrificed their game to push globalist propaganda, its time to go bankrupt with all the other game devs who forgot what their job was.

>>738400883
VI has the benefit of not rubber banding you through all 60 of your IUPTs once you reach end game.

>>738404541
We knew it was woke back then, retard when they were making half the leaders female for no fucking reason. Fuck off with your nonsense. Also Autocracy (Fascism) is/was the strongest government type in Civ V.

>>738400270
even if they get rid of the civ switching 7 is still an awful game

>>738412816
Paradox fans probably.
Paradox is worse they change the core game so its basically unplayable without the dlc

>>738412816
I'm willing to bet xcom is dead because 2k realized you can't nickle'n dime the xcom fanbase

>>738403078
>>738401727
disingenuous snake. you know exactly what the distinction is

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>cartoony aesthetics are b-ACK!???!!!??!?!?!!!

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>>738413316
You could though with the Paradox model. Consider Stellaris, CK2/3, age of wonders, etc.

it's called take 2 interactive because you take two looks at it, then turn 360 degrees and walk away

>>738410190
>how awful Romanov rule was
Commie propaganda.
>>738411483
1800s russia produced many of the greatest works of art ever this is a civ thread ffs

>>738413460
the paradox fanbase has been slow boiled to accept that kind of stuff, xcom fanbase wouldn't stand for it all out of nowhere, you gotta acclimate people to bullshit and 2K doesn't have the patience for that, not when they can sell literal gambling to 3 year olds

>modern forms of government don't last very long
were they onto something with kings and dictatorships

>>738413659
>Commie propaganda.
fumbling the Russo-Japanese war beyond belief is commie propaganda now?
Putting a pedophile priest in control over national affairs is commie propaganda too right?

>>738401631
and EA/MS/Rockstar's been flattening out turds for over a decade and still kicking, what's your point

>>738413749
Yes, because those types of governments have little more for rebellion and subversive acts.

>>738413316
Its such a shame.
V is a bitch about it but xcom 2 was great.
Hell i even kind of liked diversity squad.

>>738401591
This. Europoors work for peanuts by comparison and create janky games with some really interesting designs or ideas while Americans demand $100k+ wages for producing some of the most generic slop on the market like the recent Highguard.
America still has more money to burn and lots of manpower but idk if they even understand what makes games fun anymore.
Every American outside of chan I have talked to is always frothing at the mouth about muh graphix or the next oopen woold.

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>>738400270
too late, will never play civ7

>>738413808
>two bads are the same as massive famine (artificially created famines, btw) and killing millions!
Commies deserve a rusty spiked rope.

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>>738413734
I had an idea for a game awhile back, sort of steampunk vs cthulhu tactics game, each DLC would add a new playable/enemy faction: vampires, werewolves, cultists, teslascience guys, whatever,

>>738400691
>WOKE PRAPPAMA""!!!!

anons, Old World keys are $2aud. anyone rate the game?

>>738400561
this is so far removed from the article it's actually funny

>>738413927
It's not necessarily that Tzarist Russia was the absolute worst
But rather that Nicholas II was one of the most incompetent rulers imaginable

The only thing you can say about Stalin is at at least he was competent in his evil, but Nicholas managed to do the wrong thing in literally every single possible situation

Remember this, if you are an absolute monarch EVERY SINGLE THING that happens in your country is your fault, you have no excuses, you have no justifications, you have the absolute authority and you hold the absolute responsibility and if you can't handle that you need to accept a less autocratic system

But Nicholas was the combination of a wannabe autocrat and an idiot who shouldn't have been left in charge of a beet farm let alone a whole nation

>>738413808
Romanov rule was really not that bad towards the end, it’s overblown by fuming jews who wrote in romanov prison cells then proceeded to do far worse, and the tsars big mistake was getting involved with perfidious albion.

>>738404541
>woke now means "negative about fascism"

>>738414216
he cute tho

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>>738400691
>Humankind release threads were five years ago

>>738400691
Old World was much better then Millennia, far from perfect of course but ive played it a bit and like some of the ideas. And somehow did one unit per tile right.

>>738413878
I think xcom 2 had a bit of a missed opportunity in that it didn't commit hard enough to the whole insurgency angle
would have liked it more if you had to actually build up local resistance cells, had to balance doing missions vs public opinion (yes bombing a gene therapy clinic sticks it to the Elders something fierce but people will hate you), having to work with local resistance people who are functionally glorified rookies and with overall a greater expectation of mortality (even on legend I don't really lose that many soldiers, either I have low casualties or else it spins out of control so much it's a guaranteed loss you can't recover from)

That said, while missed opportunities about, still fun like you said

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>>738400691
>Civilization 5 was released on my birthday.
Mega Based.

>>738413920
How'd this waifu make it past the devs?

>>738408141
Is amerimutt education seriously teaching you cretins that you made a difference in WW1? We already know it massively overhypes your involvement in WW2

>>738413920
Thanks for reminding me the retard devs have the camera angle of the leaders talking to (you) in game but decided for whatever reason to have the diplo screen make the leaders face each other, thus completely shifting the perspective of creating a relationship with various AI throughout the run.

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>>738408141
>Had the US not intervened mainland Europe would be dominated by monarchy today and communism never would have happened.
The Bolshevik Revolution already happened before the USA even entered the war, retardo. For that matter, reminder that Germany literally sent Lenin on his way to Russia in order to overthrow the Russian monarchy and get them out of the war.

>>738414296
Romanov rule under Nicholas II was pretty bad because he tried to walk back all the improvements his predecessors made without realizing that the ship had sailed on medieval systems ages ago

Nicholas II didn't make a single mistake, he made nothing but mistakes, and it wasn't like he had bad advisors, Witte was literally the right man in the right place and right time and Alexander saw that, but Nicholas was such a retard he kept trying out oust the most competent man in Russia from his position because he was sulking like a god damn child over not being a true Autocrat anymore

Nicholas II might not have been as evil as some communist rulers but he was by far and large the least competent ruler Russia ever saw and I'm not being hyperbolic here

>>738400309
FPBP as always

Old World is god tier

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>>738408141
It's the american insistence that Germany not be properly punished that caused WW2
the issue with Versailles wasn't that it was too harsh, it's that it wasn't harsh enough, the french plans to split up Germany into 3 nations would have actually prevented WW2

the US underestimated German autism, they figured that if they were shown leniency they would have accept the generosity, but instead leniency allowed the Germans to convince themselves they actually hadn't lost the war when they decisively had

>>738414730
The wrong man in the right place can make all the difference in the world

>>738405034
No actually. In fact, the announcement that development had started on Civ 7 came out over a year after Humankind released.

>>738414682
The bolsheviks never would have gotten anywhere without the defeat of germany in world war 1 even lenin acknowledged this

>>738402992
This