>already forgottenWhat did this game do wrong? 2 is very beloved on /v/ at least
You mean like every non Itagaki Team Ninja game?
>>738535013what, exactly, is there to talk about until the actual endgame and builds come out? I assure you there was practically just as little to talk about when Nioh 1 and 2 first came out.
>>738535013Nioh 2 is damn near perfect. Nioh 3 is a mess gameplay wise. Also, open world slop.
>>738535013open world is ass, removing weapons from nioh 1 and 2 is ass, ninja mode casting and replenishment should have been a mystic art instead of butchering samurai
>>738535013I will beat this game... one day...
>>738535658I said the same about Stranger of Paradise... after beating the first level...
I honestly couldn't even bring myself to finish it and I'm a massive Nioh fan. Shit just fucking sucked.
I really enjoyed my first playthrough but the NG+ experience is so fucking dogshit compared to 1 and 2 it's insane how much of a slog it is
Is this game even true open world since it has seperate maps with required loading between them?
for some reason it runs like shit while also looking worse than nioh 2
>>738535013I made a youtube video on what I want for nioh 3 and they didn't hit any points so its no wonder
Nioh 1 sucks because it has dogshit enemy variety, uninspired map design, a bad forced story, and fucked up stat scaling on weapons that rewards you with damage for raising your HP on spearsNioh 2 still has the shit story but at least has significantly better enemy variety and bosses, the maps are somewhat more enjoyable, new weapons, it's a bit of an improvementWhat the fuck does 3 have exactly
>>738535864About 75% of the game is regular Nioh levels stitched together with corridors in between them, but there's a few open areas in the game. Those areas mostly suck to do.I thought 3 was pretty good overall. It feels closer in quality to 2 than 1, but I don't continue playing TN games after beating them for a few years until all the DLC comes out.
>>738535917fun
>>738535013It's kino
>>738535013I'm waiting for all expansions to be released. Even then though, I doubt it's gonna be able to match Nioh2 - it seems like the split between ninja & warrior is kinda lame desu.Plus open world is ass generally, i played the demo and it seemed like basic checkbox stuff. I still havent even finished elden ring due to the open world - took a 1 year break and only just returned to it. Games getting too big for their own good, or im just old and grouchy.
>>738535013They lobotomized half the weapons from the previous game by removing their stances and arbitrarily restricting them to Ninja mode. Arbitrary restriction to Samurai only isn't good either but at least they still play like Nioh, not like nigger goyden>>738535132No one cares about trannygaki, he never made a single good game
>>738535013Putting it out of my mind till the dlcs are out. Was fun as hell, though.
>>738535132It's only been like 7 months, there's only been 3 games released by Team Ninja since then, and Itagaki surely had his hands on them before he died, especially Ninja Gaiden 4, which released the same month as his death.
>>738535013Nioh 1 > nioh 3.Mr. William Adams > rand0s from nioh 2 and 3.
the performance was uancceptable. altf4, uninstalled and deleted files after 1hr of fiddling.
Not a fan of a lot of the changes in this one and by the time I hit the ice world I burned out. It felt like playing a slightly more open nioh level with less shit to do
>>738538268Oh yea and also this, demo was fine performance wise but when I bought the main game it suddenly ran like shit? That was a fast refund. Pirated it after
>>73853501380 clown world credits for a dumbed down third game is ridiculous.
>>738535013I haven't played it. Is Janomecho in? She's my go-to in the first two
>>738535013Open world was a failure in every single aspect and it severely held back level and mission design to the point where there's extremely little variation to keep things interesting. You are experiencing heavy fatigue from the game before its even ended, whereas such fatigue wasn't present at all in previous entries thanks to how missions were structured.
>>738535013>get hit once or twice>die>hit enemy 100000 times>they reach half healthThese types of games are shit
>>738535013Nioh 3 fell for the open world meme.
>>738535013>gutted half the weapons with ninja meme mode>open world is objectively ass and empty space>shit pacing>bad enemy variety>same design flaw of making NG absolutely boring dog shit while holding real Iitemization for ng+ and DLCMaking the same game again over and over only works once with a direct sequel like Nioh 2. If you try and repeat that like how Monster Hunter does, then it better be some really unique type of game. Which Nioh is not. This is a issue with Team Ninja games in general. This is Nioh 6 BTW, they made 3 shitty Nioh clones between Nioh 3 and Nioh 2.
>>738535013It's overpriced and incomplete and runs much worse than 2. DLCs will fix it, trust the plan.
>>738535013Poor level design and enemy placements.
>>738535917nioh 1 has better levels than 2
>>738535917I loved the story in 2.
>>738540542yeah people like to slap on 2's story but I think it's very nice. Maybe it's not told in a very engaging way but the it's not weak by any means
>>738535013I actually tried playing Ninja Gaiden and ended up preferring it over Nioh.
>>738535917constitution raising damage for spears never made the weapon overpowered
>>738535013I've said that deflect was going to be a problem before release, and turns out it wasAlso>all the enemy variety of Nioh 2 + DLCs + Nioh 3>just jailer onis + crucible wasps + gakis + dwellers the whole game
>>738541409Deflect wasn't a problem at all.
>>738535917>and fucked up stat scaling on weapons that rewards you with damage for raising your HP on spearsIt's pretty inconsequential, all things considered
one thing that kinda annoyed me is it seems like they keep heavily nerfing grapples against bosses every game. I get that it was a little overpowered in nioh 1 where you could parry humanoid bosses to death but it feels so useless in 3 I don't even bother. most of the parries just end with a basic attack now or reposition you for a free attack without grapples at all
>>738540721Tokichiro's indignation if you use yokai form against him is such a cool detail. It really feels like a tragic fight between friends to go against him, great character.Also little details like the NG+ cycles being titled "Dream of" in reference to his death poem, that ends with "a dream within a dream"Game is absolute ludo.
>>738541726Deflect removes tension and math from fights because it convert encounter expectations into binary responses, and since it's so lenient, all tension is removed, and tension is one of the most important parts of the Nioh gamesThe only thing that somewhat compensates for that is the crazy amount of tiered enemies the game throws at you at the same time sometimes, especially on NG+
I couldn't run the demo, the game looked worse than a ps2 game at low settings. My PC played Nioh 2 perfectly fine. It's my own fault for not getting a better PC since, but I have zero desire to spend the exorbitant amount of money required to get a better PC. Wonder how many people are in the same camp as me, and have stopped buying new games as a result.
>>738535013Nioh games aren't finished until all the DLC is out and they release a complete edition
>>738542351Yea that part was actually great, no idea what the fuck nioh 3 is doing with the story but so far, from where im at in the game it seems like a total mess. I hope at least one likeable character or memorable villain shows up
>>738541726I think it is because in Nioh 2 some attacks are better bursted or dodged or blocked or outran or transformed with magic but in Nioh 3 vast majority of the attacks are best reacted to with a deflect.
Bring him back and put him as the MC for Nioh 4
>>738542390There's no "math" in fights unless you just mean like damage formulas going on in the background. No tension was removed from combat at all, deflect is just another defensive option. I think you're assuming that players will naturally just perfectly deflect every enemy and boss move-set but it realistically doesn't work like that.
>>738543037No, let him live in peace and pump dozens of half-Irish mutt children into his hot kunoichi wife for the rest of his days. He won. He deserves it.
I gave more fucks about Nioh 1's story than 2 and 3 tbf. Bring him back.
>>738535917>Nioh 1 sucks because it has dogshit enemy variety, uninspired map designUninspired map design? How
The game is kino, just waiting for the DLC
>>738543339thanks sir
>>738535013It's not better than 2, but that was a high order anyway.
>>738542351I somehow missed that, I rarely ever use yokai shift.
>>738543037Nioh 4 will be Hidechiyo in the french revolution
>>738540785An action game is generally more fun than a loot-heavy RPG. I think the two series are about equal, but there's definitely points when I was playing a Nioh game where I wanted it to be more like Ninja Gaiden.
>>738544327Yeah, game has tons of fun interactions, like if you transform into a character related to whoever you're talking to in the interim, they react to that. Some get pissed you fooled them, some thank you for showing the face of the person they loved one last time, and it's all missable because the Interim doesn't reset on NG+.They really put a ton of love into that game, amazing OST too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgW7PA51nu4Honestly think it's an underrated game, despite having a very good score on metacritic.
>all the posts saying how bad the open world isYou guys didn't play RotR. That had a truly shit open world. Or you guys did play RotR and you actually wish Nioh 3 was more like Ubislop.
>>738544632>missions hidden behind interim transformationsKINO3's interim a shit, just a cat infestation and a LOATHSOME DUNG EATER hiding in the sewer
>>738544778Those are several extremely weird mental jumps you made there
>>738543106>There's no "math" in fights unless you just mean like damage formulas going on in the backgroundKi management, positioning, anima, it's based on microadjustments rather than a yes/no thing
>>738544828To be fair Nioh 2 has a dung eater too kek, the helm he gives you for 30 pieces of shit was much appreciated for my poison character
>>738545361I wouldn't really consider that "math" but I get what you mean. Deflect doesn't remove any of that though.
>>738544828After finishing everything my Nioh 2 Interim has 2 NPCs left, Saito Dosan and the Dung Eater
>>738543339is the dpad as shit as people say?
>>738545695saito dosan? doesn't he go to heaven with your mother?
>>738545695Isn't it just the kappa and teahouse guy?
>>738535917take it back the story is fucking amazing both in 1 and 2
>>738535013they decided to sell overpriced piecemeal for retarded prices instead of a complete editionin before some sonyfag tells me people should have expected to be buckbroken like them
>not enough enemy variety>what enemies are in the game are underutilized, gotta have fucking gaki and jailer oni everywhere>some enemies are nerfed to shit compared to the previous games, yet ALSO aren't put in more encounters with more enemies to compensate- look how often you'd fight Tengu with other shit in 2, compared to 3 where you either fight it with fucking Oni-bi or a mission boss fight against a Tengu and a Yama-Inu and that's it AND you have another guy with you!>It's easy to see everything in the open world in one playthrough, so there is absolutely zero "Oh did you see ____?">The time travel shit in the story should have meant a lot of variety, yet somehow we got FEWER characters than before (AND THEY'RE ALL FUCKING HIMIKO)The Himiko's time level should've been full of youkai in bigger numbers, and varieties we've never seen before, along with a decent selection of ancient gear, really show off the difference. Instead, you get sentries out the ass and that hateful fucking Tsuchinoko.
Playing nioh 2 for the first time and mission 1 is kicking my ass. How long did it take you to git gud?
Nioh 2>Wo Long>Nioh>Nioh 3>Stranger of Paradise
>>738546754I'm still shit.
>>738546754>kickingIt'll take a couple hours to adjust to the timing for any particular souls game IMOMezuki and Gozuki will teach you the fundamentals for burst counter and the basics but a lot of what you're going to unlock will come later as you advance so don't worry about it
>>738535013Sorry. Waiting on a sale. Will discuss once I get it.
>>738546914>>738546917I'm having fun so I'll stick with it. What are your thoughts on the sword?
>>738535013i almost hate saying 2 is the best because of how popular of an opinion it is among the fanbase, but it really is. 3's okay, but it's just okay. it doesn't feel like an improvement the way 2 did to 1, just a bunch of random bullshit tacked on like jiggling keys in front of a baby.also, i really fucking hate the open "field" level design
>>738535013Already beat it on NG+, I will probably play more when all the expansions come out
>>738547078Haven't used it yet, so far only used Fists and Switchglaive, but love both weapons, both have so many cool mechanics, but I assume every weapon is like this. Used dual swords briefly for one sidequest too.
>>738547078Which sword, katana? The single normal size katana? It's one of the funnest weapons once you unlock iai stance which lets you do unsheathe attacks and chain them into other things. Probably the most surgical weapon. A favorite of mine but for a new player you should experiment. You'll probably find another you like more.
>>738545548iirc, he was in 1 as well
>>738546816Nioh 2 > SoP > Nioh 3 > Nioh 1I haven't played wolong or the ronin game
can Jack Izuna Drop?
>>738547378I vaguely remember that, yes.
>>738547250Yeah, the katana. Although I was also considering the Odachi...How do you determine what stance you should take against what and when? Right now I'm pretty much spamming high stance against big tanky enemies and medium stance against basic enemies. I'm not sure what I should use low. The tutorial mentioned medium prioritizes defense and low prioritizes dodging, but how?
>>738547378Absolutely.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1DGypNAbZU
>>738546754it always gets easier once you start unlocking skills, ninjutsu and omnyojust make sure you equipment updated to the best you can equip without fatrolling
>>738547535>>738547560Goddamn I need to play this
Does ANYONE feel like the samurai/ninja split was actually a good thing? I only ever see disdain for it, which I agree with, but I'm curious if there's any disagreement.
>>738547543You can use low for mobility and slot active skills for ki damage. Switch to high once they're ki depleted and stun locked.Most weapons have skill trees for mid revolving around weapon parrying. Kicks in Nioh are meant for ki damage so if you see a simple kick move in the skill tree most of them are quick hard ki attacks that do minimal damage but are heavy on ki depletion. For katana Sword Ki is another heavy ki depletion that can act as the starting point for some good follow ups.Stance doesn't impact active skill damage so if your weapon has hard hitting active skills that you can chain from low stance you can still deal solid damage with mobility but most lock their hardest hitting skills to high but you will figure out how to handle stance swapping during a fight over time. Unless you're really into weapon parrying mid stance will be rarely used as a newer player. You can just focused on low to high while managing enemy ki and you'll get the experience.
>>738545718It's nothing special, everyone else is good though
>>738548071I would up liking the martial arts gauge a lot more than the ninja stance. It's a lot of fun to manage it and chain these really hard hitting combos so quickly. Ninja stance isn't bad, but it's not as fun as 3 stances for all weapons. I don't mind Nioh loot and in fact I like it but having to do it twice as much is a little too far IMO.
>>738543339Are these controllers any good? I've seen them advertised a bit. I am tired of dualsenses and their stick drift nonsense.
>>738535013I enjoyed it (samurai-only) but I'm now waiting for the DLCI will say it's probably 20% too long
>>738544778It's funny how TN are very willing to try new things and experiment with each game to improve their skills, but they hardly ever actually carry forward the things they learn.>Rise of the Ronin has the best story/writing/characters yet>But it has a terrible open world that is clearly made by people who are not good at open world design>Nioh 3 has a much better open world that doesn't waste your time and is much more dense and filled with meaningful rewards>But the story is total shit and there is like one half-decent character in the entire game
>>738535013Test
>>738535269Wtf are you talking about liar Nioh 1 and 2 were far more popular
>>738548743how did you even play it that long?
>>738547634>>738548526I see, thank you. It seems like there's a little more depth here than From Souls.
>>738547337Wo Long feels like shit for like 3-4 hours where you get your ass slapped until it clicks then it's fun as fuck. I get the impression KT didn't give a fuck about whether people liked it or not. Enemies move very quickly and have very little cool down between combos. It's actually kind of fucking crazy how hard it pushes the player so early.Even the most basic enemies have 6 string combos and they can choose at any part of the string to stop. They can choose do the same with red attacks so sometimes they'll use a red attack and the same attack can have 1 or 2 parts to it and it's on the AI to decide if they want to do 1 or both. It's a good game but the impression I got was "fuck you, figure it the fuck out or stop playing. We don't give a shit". Great game though.
>>738548071I don't like it, I exclusively used samurai because ninja just felt cheap and shitty.
>>738549031don't worry about set bonuses so much until you decide to keep playing newgame+ onwards
>>738548990I dunnoI don't rush any levelsI kill everything I see even if I'm retreading an areaI check every corner even when its obvious nothing is thereI spend time going over the minutiae of weapon upgrades even though I know it ultimately doesn't matter in NG
>>738548071I like it on the surface for the added variety in gameplay and increased mobility options, also for how it lets you do cuhrazy combo stuff, but in reality I just played samurai for 95% of the game because I am so used to it and the martial proficiency damage is absurd.
>>738548071I've been with the series since the Nioh 1 alpha and I thought the ninja weapons were a fun way to mix things up. I liked the aerial focus of them. I wouldn't be okay with Nioh removing stances at all but since ninja was a separate "job" I was okay with it. I would've kept stances on them however and instead have ninjutsu take up the ranged weapon slot on L2. I'd probably be more annoyed with it if all my favorite weapons were ninja only but I still had my 2kat in samurai mode. I was a huge hatchets fan in 2 but they were still fun in ninja. I wouldn't say it was a good thing but I wouldn't say it was this catastrophically bad thing either, the game is still Nioh at it's core. But like I said above, you could actually just fuse ninja weapons into samurai mode by having them keep the aerial focus and perfect dodges while also adding two stances and changing ninjutsu into an L2 modifier to replace the ranged weapon. I think it would've been received better if all weapons still had a samurai version.
>>738549325What about agility rating and Defense? I'm assuming the vs stats like physical are damage absorbtion, but what about defense itself?
>>738548845I love how much effort they'll put into something then just never fuckin use it again. Entire weapons+all their animations and attacks for 1 game then they'll never touch it. Most of their games are similar to each other but they do put effort in. I'm surprised they aren't more popular. For the past decade they've released big, solid single player experiences.
>>738549638Agility is based on your equip load. Some people insist heavy armor is the best. I always keep it at A or AA. It impacts how far you slide when dodging and what type of dodge you get in each stance.Low equip load/high AGI in low lets you slide twice instead of roll and the slide carries you farther so you can literally zip all around an enemy very easily and avoid everything.
>>738549638Defense is not as important as Toughness. Agility/Toughness is the balance you want to pay attention to. If you have B agility, then you want A toughness. If you can't have A toughness, just go lighter and aim for A agility instead.Agility is stamina recovery speed and dodge, Toughness is stamina loss on block and armor. Personally I find B/A to be the best balance.But if you're still at the very start, you may just not have enough variety to choose from to achieve that, so don't worry about it too much in the very early game.
>>738535013Nioh 3 is considered the dishonorabru black sheep among a family of franchises that was already controversial among the hardcore gaming communities. People hate it because of the fundamental changes it does to it's gameplay systems, and many think that it's too easy. A few shoobies also complains about it discarding the more linear mission based structure for a sandbox hybrid that sort of brings it closer to the Dark Souls style of play.
>>738548696Yes, the dpad is clicky/tactile and is kind of mid. You can swap it out and you get 3 dpad layouts.
Massive Nioh 2 fan, completed Depths 30, still didn't finish 3.Ran like shit on my linux machine so I decided to just shelve it for a while, when the DLC hits hopefully the performance will be a bit better.
>>738550020I mean, I don't think it is bad, just not as good as I expected it to be, 2 and SoP set the bar too high.
>>738550020Every franchise has its dark souls 2. How long until fans wake up to the greatest of its trilogy?
Should've let us have sex with Himiko
>>738550020Nioh was never "controversial" and 3 was solid overall. I don't remember ever seeing a consensus that it was a "black sheep", stop it with this shit. The difficulty was fine for a Nioh game without it's expansions and while I do prefer the mission based style of previous games, the world in 3 was still enjoyable.
>>738535013I think there's a few reasonsIt's incredibly easy which isn't a bad thing but the problem is that takes away from most people who liked 1 and 2 The open world is hit or miss if you like th e collection part The big problem is the areas themselves, they just have little in them. You might see 2-3 yokai with the big heads, 3-4 human enemies and that's 'done' and you go onto the next area but there's alot of travel timeIt's like taking a generic nioh 1 or 2 level, making it 3 times as long solely due to space between enemies taking up travel time but have the same amount of enemiesNinja mode taking some weapons and making their skills even less was a retarded idea. Ninja 1kat is barely functionalYokai abilities now being fucking casting and limited along with onmyo even more limited was retarded. Ninjutsu only being 3 items in battle (ok you can technically swap in a fight but it's not ideal) is retardedNinja stance is broken or baseline balanced depending on how you view things with it giving you i-frames against everything as opposed to samurai's deflect that only blocks one attackNo good post game shit yetAll in all it's just nowhere near as good an improvement as 2 was
>>738550486My biggest problem with 3 personally is you can tell when they increased player speed so much with ninja they wound up in play testing unable to use like half the established Yokai. And the ones they could use are just way less of a threat because they're still based around 2 earlier games where you're restricted to ground movement more and generally just much slower. Ninja has so much more maneuverability they probably couldn't figure out how some of the Yokai could stand a chance at all.
>>738544828>>738545548>>738545695one thing I'll give to 3 issat' we get to see the origin of dung eater. __The guy is inmortal thanks to the power of shit__ top tier writting there team ninja. He has been alive since the damn heian period... and was pretty much alive well into ieyasu's time.>>738545695I... never got to see saito dosan on the interim. HOW!?
>>738550427They'll probably set her up to be one of his concubines in the Keian Uprising DLC, and probably be the mother of Ietsuna Tokugawa
>>738550789Pretty sure some spirits in The Interim are linked to completing certain prerequisites in missions and sub missions. I don't remember Saito in The Interim.
>>738550789>>738550862Probably confusing Saito with the Tea Guy
>>738550650at the same time samurai can deflect spam and power through enemy hits with the powered up special attacks
>time periods are all designed as open worlds>except Antiquity which is a linear corridorOdd design
>>738550951yeah sounds like that other guy mixed the viper with the spider.
>>738551024>oh shit we need to introduce a supporting character that is actually relevant to the plot somehowI think it's the first time you see the real villain behind the villain too
>>738550569It wasn't "incredibly easy", that's too much hyperbole. It provided a fair enough challenge for the first difficulty. You also had GS skills which functionally served the same purpose as what yokai skills did before.
>>738550992Yeah they buffed the player so much they probably did have to cut some Yokai. That's my biggest problem, I wanted more not less. The bosses in 3 are also just not up to par for Koei Tecmo. Not in terms of pure difficulty which i think is overrated anyways and then overcorrecting would be likely if it were the sole complaint they heard. They're just less impressive than the 2 boss roster. A couple of them stand out and they did the right thing by cutting some, but they definitely cut too much when they couldn't figure out how to get their existing models and animations compatible with player ability.
>>738551191The GS skills all being burst counters opposed to 3 distinct offerings felt wonky to me. I prefer 2 where you pick between feral/brute/mystic.
>>738551191GS are nowhere near as useful as yokai abilitiesAnd yes, it's incredibly easy compared to 1 or 2. People got filtered as fuck with Enenra and Yatsu-no-Kami in 2 and Hino-Enma and to a lesser extent, Nue in 1.3 has no shit like that - it's mostly just a straight walk outside of Bloodedge Demon and that's completely optional>>738551487GS aren't burst counters - burst counter is still a thing, it's the button with stance switch (ie ninja/samurai, not high.medium/low) but can be alterted to press only and holding for stance swap
>>738551537You can burst counter red attacks using GS skills in 3. They're effectively all burst counters.
>>738550861They could've had handled himiko better. Sure, I get she was a character all across history, from Himiko to Shizuka Gozen, to Li Naotora (a nice hint there honestly) to Oryou.But it feels disconnected, too disconnected.I will say, the one thing I love from this franchize is when they remember their roots and connections.Nioh 1 and 2 had that with Tenkai/Akechi Mitsuhide, the revelation in Nioh 1 made a whole lot more sense in 2.Or Saito Fuku helping you in Nioh 1, while you faced her father in Nioh 2... to being the wet nurse of Takechiyo as Kasuga no Tsubone in 3when they want to use history as a tool they are great... the rest of the time they forget their shit.
>>738551579Burst counter is a different thingJust because it can be used as one does not mean it's burst counter. Burst counter is its own unique thing
>>738551537>People got filtered as fuck with Enenra and Yatsu-no-Kami in 2Does it matter if the devs just nerf the shit out of them in response? Played 2 for the first time this year and those fights were piss easy.
>>738543037His son should be the MC of Nioh 4.
Nioh 3 is my first Nioh game
>>738551537They have more utility than yokai abilities because they can burst counter as well and just like yokai skills, they're zero ki combo extenders. If you're concerned with people getting filtered then a lot of people had trouble with the very first tutorial boss, Demon of Pride, and Kunimatsu. I think 3 might be "slightly" easier overall but it still provided a fair enough challenge to be fun and engaging. Many people seem to always forget about the fact that they improve at games over time.
i love open world slop but this game suffers for it. nioh 1 and 2 had damn near perfect level design.
>>738552103what's the thing you have equipped on the left?
>>738546754>mission 1 is kicking my assThat's expected. Just keep playing and don't get discouraged.TN has this issue where they design a combat system full of parts that are meant to interact tightly together to be smooth and fun, just to lock most of it away at the beginning of the game and not let access all the needed skills till halfway through ng.So don't worry about getting good, you don't even have the tools to get good with yet.
>>738548071I like recharging ninjutsu and I like the relatively large focus on air combat for ninja, but I don't really think it was worth the split.
>>738552367Sorry couldn't tell you. That screenshot is over a year old.
>>738546241If you complete one of the DLC3 missions the kappa will bring his friends
>>738535013A game made by faggots, for faggots. Nioh 3 made me black list nu-Team Ninja.
>>738552987It's time to come out of the closet, anon
>>738552750should have let us have sex with our mom in the past
>>738552367>what's the thing you have equipped on the left?You mean the life leech talisman?
>>738553537Ah, nice, first time I actually see the sprite, thanks.
>>738549774based misinformation spreader
>>738535013I was hyped ror the game but it ran like absolute dogshit, so I had to drop it early into the demo
>>738535013>Nioh 3 Lmao
>>738535013it's uninspiring, 1st one had a character, second expanded on the first, third one is just a cash grab
>>738535013I don't know about 2 and 3. I got filtered by 1.
>>738554159Nioh 1 is naturally going to be the hardest due to less gameplay options and less refined systems. "Less is more" plays a role in those seeking a more hardcore experience. If you're looking to go from easy to hard, you should probably play the Nioh games in a reverse order.
>>738554950>1>hardliving weapon is hilariously broken
>>738555290So is the sloth talisman in every game, but for those looking to not rely on abusible crutches will still find this to be true.
Too hard (as samurai)Odachi is garbageNinja plays for freeNo content
>>738535013Not buying a Nioh game until the DLC is out.
In Nioh 2 the game definitely struggles (and fails) to keep up with all the options the player has, and it's very easy as a result. But I wouldn't change that, personally. It's really satisfying to play, you get out of it as much as you put into it. The game won't play itself, you can shit all over the bosses but you have to do the heavy lifting yourself, it's not pressing one button and winning. It's challenging enough that you'll still die to complete shitters because you went too auto pilot or got greedy and wanted to save an elixir when you haven't used a single one in several hours.Also there's the issue with "the average player", sometimes I check people playing Nioh 2 and they're sitting on dozens of unused points, keeping a distance from the enemies, reacting by rolling and only doing XXX in mid stance. If you make enemies that can even begin to deal with a player who knows how to play, you're filtering 90% of your potential consumer base, and you can no longer justify the budget required to make the game.
>>738545718Yes, it takes too much force to press a direction, useless in any game where you need precise tapping.
>>738535013I'm waiting for the DLCs. Don't want to get too burned out before it.
>>738535013>What did this game do wrong?I don't think it did anything wrong, but it didn't do anything new or interesting enough for a sequel. It's just sort of mid, and the recycled enemies and time travel story make it very forgettable. It was easy to get at least a little bit attached to hide/yoshi in 2, and especially since you had family members involved.There is just nothing going on in 3, no actual stakes for the protagonist, all the enemies get up and walk away after you beat them down since they are historical figures and 'didn't get assassinated'. Also its been said before, but the open world design doesn't do the game any favors and feels shoddy. So that stuff just makes the player not care about the game very much.>>738548071I think it's a silly gimmick. It's never explained how or why you can do it in game. Just that you can. It feels cheesy being able to flip between high mobility evading and heavy armor.
>>738551786>those fights were piss easyprobably because you know about the burst counter, and the people who got walled by those fights never learned how to do it and went insane
>>7385556272h axe is the new odachi
It's insane how much wasted potential the open world had. There are hundreds of spots that would have been perfect for little carved out side missions with different enemies. Instead there are only like 5 side missions in the entire game that involve going back to an area with different monsters. I think the whorehouse is the only one in the entire game that blocked off the easy route and forced you to go through a stage backwards.
What are the missions they added with the latest patch? Any new enemies? Saito Toshimitsu?
>>738556334Then I imagine better tutorials were part of the patches, because as the game is right now it's not really possible to miss that mechanic.
>>738535013>What did this game do wrong?They added censorship I believe. Someone posted a screenshot of Fuku, and apparently they covered the windows on her pants. I love those side-openings on female ninjas!
>>738555627>Odachi is garbageOdachi is delicious like usual. It's just undertuned in raw damage.
>>738556778it bounces off blocks more than ever
>>738556589I invite you to take a quick peek in this thread >>738524092
>>738535013When I said I wanted Nioh 3, what I meant is that I really wanted a Nioh 2.5. Nioh 3 is just boring, and lacks alot of the soul Nioh 2 had. The open world is just awful. I actually enjoyed the recycled levels from Nioh 2, as we were given new perspectives from existing areas.
>>738556865KEK alright, I will
>>738556471They're all gauntlets where you face multiple regular enemies and/or bosses in an arena
>>738557005I sleep
How do I make Spears good in Nioh 2I'm on a new run at KashaSo far all I do is Mid Stance Heavy 3x or Piercing RainBut the damage feels like shit compared to other weapons I tried in the past
>>738535013I dropped it when I realized how fucking incredibly easy it is. It's the easiest soulslike I've ever played. I hate games with artificial difficulty, but the opposite isn't good either. There's literally no encounter design, just random enemies placed here and there. The enemy AI is braindead, faggots will literally stand there for 20 seconds doing nothing while you stare them down. The aggression is gone, the challenge is gone, and the level design is a barren, open-world wasteland with no thought behind enemy placement. It feels like Team Ninja took all the tight, punishing combat of Nioh 1 and 2 and just shit all over it with lazy open zones and passive trash mobs with even more dumbbed down combat because you never even need to care about stances!!! You can spam basic combos and melt bosses because player damage is through the roof while enemy health is paper-thin. I one tried almost every single boss I've seen before dropping it. It’s not a game about skill anymore you outlevel the entire world before the story even kicks in. The only thing that's new in this entry is how fast you can power through N1/2 content and everything else isn't interesting memorable. They ruined most of the weapons. What a fucking waste, what a disapointment. And I noticed that this isn't just Nioh 3, Team Ninja is nerfing the difficulty and depth from all their games, for NG2B to Nioh 3 to even fucking Fatal Frame. This studio is dead to me, it's crazy that NG4, which was already sorta/a lil bit disappointing, might just be the last TN game I will even have enjoyed because at least Platinum had the balls to make a properly hard game when TN clearly doesn't anymore..
>>738543037No character creator = No buy!These types of games should always have a character creator, instead of a dedicated main character.
>>738558182William can shapeshift, just have the intro be him shapeshifted and let the story roll with that.
>>738558716People hated that shit about some of the SAO games, nobody wanted to be Kirito. What Nioh 4 could do is setup a dual protagonist system where you can swap between William and a custom character. William would play like a dedicated Samurai while the custom character would either be a ninja, or a hybrid similar to Nioh 3.
>>738535917Every idea from every other game TN has worked on since and condensed it all into one game?
>>738542390I'd be concerned about the enemy spam in Nioh 3 if the enemies weren't comically brain dead. Half the time if they're aren't getting stuck on the environment, they're idling in the background waiting their turn to attack or even act. Which is wholly unlike Nioh 1 or 2 where they were out for blood, and brother there's a sale going on in your general area.
>>738535013Every Nioh game sucks.
>>738559172I remember Nioh 2 enemies being like that as well when before the DLC difficulties.
>>738559489I replayed Nioh 2 on a fresh save after doing the current NG+ for Nioh 3, it's a night and day difference in enemy aggression. The fuckers will routinely attack through each other if you're in range and within their line of sight. Sometimes a fight with just 1 flying bolt and 1 ubume is a god damned nightmare as both with keep trying to back away or be pushed back as you attack. All the while the other is still trying to perforate your posterior, and the bolt is priority with her ability to slow you down.Meanwhile in Nioh 3, there are several fights where big bird from the First Samurai appears and instead of constantly filling the room with yokai piss pools, he will often just stand around as other enemies in the area do their thing. Bastard used to feel like a pseudo boss and now he's just a bigger punching bag.
>>738535013i stopped playing half way through because im waiting for the dlc
>>738535013not paying $70 for an overworld checklist that I'll be done with in a weekI'll wait until the game is finished and buy the complete version I can actually do endgame content and make proper builds (unless they fuck that up too)
>>738535013I'm still on Nioh 2I stopped playing before reaching Nioh difficulty due to burnout and is been like 3 years where I keep saying I'll get back to it.
>>738553901Nta but elaborate for a scrub
Nioh 3 is a fantastic game that just needs more content and less jailer onis.Sour grape poorfags that can't run it (because TN can't into PC) can't and won't convince me the game isn't great.
i'm amazed ongbal of all people has the best nioh 3 videos.
>>738562114why'd they re use bossfights but didn't improve them? Having one or two new impactful attacks could make them different enough
>>738562114Sex with Ibaraki DojiImagine the lightning empowered hip slams
I like the open world approach myself, I just wish there was a few villages here and there filled with non-hostile NPCs similar to Rise of the Ronin. Game is more or less a big post apocalypse with a select few survivors.
>>738563668That's how you can tell it's shit lol. I guess TN finally got the shitkiro crowd to come to their game.
>>738535013The open world caused levels to blend together so the area’s werent as memorable to me. The game was also easier so I didnt stick to most enemies or bosses as much. Story was also dlc tier desu. Nioh 2 had more memeing desu.I liked it, Ive never tried to many weapons .
>>738535917I liked Nioh 1s story, it was neat
>>738564354RotR actually had a decent story and characters, especially for a Team Ninja game and benefits from a setting that hasn't been done to death. Like what other game lets you team up with Ryoma Sakamoto and Matthew Perry, the premise is almost ridiculous. The actual experience of playing the game is middling, and one's enjoyment will probably scale with how much they like games like Assassin's Creed 2. It definitely falls short if Nioh in terms of combat. I think if the game was 1)not hard to run on older hardware, 2) not locked to fucking playstation 5 on release and 3) not as expensive as it was it would have been received better
>>738563668I follow most of the online Nioh players and 99% of it is in livestreams I'll never watch
>>738535269I missed 1's threads, but I assure you there were plenty of 2 threads that lasted months when it first came out, with discussions from gameplay and still autism, to post your Hiddy, to actual historical debates. Nioh 3 threads were kind of a wet fart in comparison.
I only click on one shot nioh build videos to downvote them
>>738552153Now go back and play 2
>>738535013nioh 3 is just a fighting game, so you have a very niche target audience. and nioh2 was never beloved: you just had a lot of darksouls contrarians. see also owlcat vs bg3
>>738535013Runs like shit so half of /v/ me included can't play it.
>>738535013They've run out of yokai to use. Almost no memorable new enemies except the sand throwing old lady. Antiquity era looked amazing visually and aesthetically but it was the shortest
>>738566161Just turn on the fake frames lmao.
I should finish this. I just got to the tokyo town area where you fight some guy who has a gun or something, I forget. How close am I to the end
>>738563643give me a new processor and I'll change my review to positive
>>738563617Encumbrance only affects ki recovery, consumption, and dodge distance, not "what type of dodge you get in each stance":Low stance has chained dodging and some weapons have special dodges (sword and spear have short distance twirls, tonfas and dual swords have an automatic dodge during their dodge recovery).Mid stance has a dodge you can chain into roll.High stance has rolls.This happens whether you have C agility or AA agility.
>>738566976Do those help with certain areas in the open world dropping me to 12fps and making everything move in slow-mo?
>>738567430It does until the final open world area which will shit itself no matter what.
>>738549774>>738549945>>738552382>>738567156Thanks again for the debrief. Will reread tomorrow.
>>738542351The game ending with his irl death poem is actual kino, I agree
>>738535013I enjoyed it but it really is too long, I got burnt out in the final region and haven’t even finished it yet. It’s an issue with me and open world games where I have to do literally everything available and unfortunately here doing that just burnt me out. Also the story is kind of ass and I don’t really care so I’m not feeling very compelled to finish it because of that as well. Not that 1 and 2 were master classes in story or anything, but they were fairly compelling and had very good finales. The last few levels were typically epic and cool, but this last region in 3 started pretty strong and after that is kind of shitty.
It's probably a stupid question but can I enjoy Nioh 2 if I don't want to be bothered with building. Like I just choose armor and weapon with the highest stat and don't choose between>2% electro resistor>5% faster dodge
>>738568690Yes, don't bother engaging with the effects until you've reached the hardest difficulty, or the one before it.Just sort by level and pick what you like, i.e. heavy vs light armor, sword vs axe, etc.
>>738568690You can do that for that first playthrough, and maybe on NG+ and NG++ too if you're skilled enough at the game. It's only on NG+++ and the final cycle that you need to engage with the loot autism.
>>738563736But they did. Hino-enma has like twice as many moves compared to Nioh 1.
>>738535013It's a real mixed bag
>>738535013It's an okay sequel to a great game.Nioh 2 was a massive improvement over Nioh 1. It took 10 steps forward and a few steps back (mainly in the story department).Meanwhile Nioh 3 is like 5 steps forward, 5 steps back, and 10 steps to left/right.The open world felt unnecessary, like the addition of deflect and ninja style.It also didn't do very well sales-wise. They announced a million sales, but that's not that much considering it's multiplatform and Nioh 1 & 2 managed to reach that milestone in similar timeframes despite launching on 1 platform only so now the future of the franchise is uncertain.
>>738568690The worthwhile stats will be very obvious. You can safely ignore 2% running speed, of course, but you don't need to be crazy about the build part of the game to see the appeal of "life drain on yokai ability hit" and stuff like that. The progression of the RPG parts is pretty intuitive, you'll engage with it at your own pace.The only thing I think is worth going in knowing beforehand is that scaling is not nearly as important as you'd expect coming from other games. Having stats to use anything is FAR more important than having extra scaling on your main weapon. A completely valid and strong build to aim for on the first NG would be 20~30 on every stat.
Every pro of the game comes with a con.Like:Pro: Open field works pretty well over the old mission select screen.Con: Means things are less varied and interesting, the open world map areas don't have nearly as much care put into them.
>>738535013Fucking gaslighting niggers made this out to be the best game ever,I fucking called it and KNEW it would be forgotten fucking dogshit due to the awful Indian mad tacked on and shitty open world,and the casualization and shittification of the weapons and locking them to retarded styles(ninja being infinitely far and away better than samurai). Disingenuous niggers can vouch for samurai all they want,ninja had ZERO downsides compared to sam.
>>738539187Filtered brownoid
Pro: Storytelling is much much simpler and easy to follow.Con: It's a 1:1 rehash of Nioh 2's story but with less pathos
>>738569703>Fucking gaslighting niggers made this out to be the best game ever,I fucking called itNioh fans on /v/ have been doing that since the first one came out.
>>738535013All the Nioh games are boring as hell
>>7385697593 barely has a story.
>>738569946Correct. It's suzuka vs. otakemaru 2 stripped of everything.
Game still has not gotten a single actual balance patch yet.
>>738570032https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/1swus5w/nioh_3_v105_patch_notes/
>>738569682The scaling in Nioh isn't as important compared to other souls likes because most of your damage will come from the weapon itself and your stats just augment that. The higher the item level is on the weapon as well as its rarity will determine how powerful it will end up being. The scaling usually ends up being a nice bonus on top of that, but not the key part of its damage.
>>738570148>Fixed an issue preventing the>Fixed an issue preventing the>Fixed an issue preventing theThat was a bugfix patch.
>>738568690Nioh is a game you only have to be retarded about if you want to be. A full NG clear takes probably around 50 hours if you do every level. You can get ever single achievement. You can beat everything. You only have to go deeper if you want. Even at full price you get your money's worth.Probably not even 2% of players ever even see the depths and I'd bet 50% of the players who bought it don't even know they exist at all.
>>738535013People mostly look 2 in high regard because they can make their weifus.
>>738535013Hard to be forgotten when fags like you make weekly threads about it being forgotten
The DLCs actually make the nioh games
>>738535797Same, I got to the last region and I just couldn't be bothered anymore.
combining the styles into modes is stupid
I played the demo but the rpg aspect was dogshit. A samurai or ninja dichotomy is heinously limited. Imagine a dark souls game where your only two choices are dex build or strength build. and your fashion is trash
>>738569946I couldn't stand the brother or whatever. He's such a bitch. Waaaah I wanted to be da shogun Only japs could find that relatable or tragic at all Shut up faggot
>>738538007Based.
I think Nioh was a novelty for it's time, because it was the first semi-decent soulslike that expanded on the formula by allowing player aggression in a way that Dark Souls didn't. Since then much much better Soulslikes have come around and Nioh 3 comparatively didn't improve at all.
>>738575195Nioh 3 ng is literally crazier than nioh 2 endgame because of the new mechanics you fucking retard.
>>738569529uh no she doesn't
>>738535013>forgottenIs it? I dumped 100 hours into it in release and am back now just 3 months later. Rpg systems don't feel as compelling as 2 but the combat is so satisfying I can't stay away. Stone of penance has done wonders for my experience and I think dlcs might make this the best ACTION rpg for me
>play 400hrs total of nioh 2 between base and complete edition>consider it a top 5 game>pogface at nioh 3 announcement and excitedly buy it on release>drop it after initial playthroughyup its over
>nioh 1 and 2 had empty soulless hellscapes for levels but you just assumed that you were in battlefields and other places were fine>in nioh 3 the capital of japan gets genocided to extinction every 100 years and somehow recovers with zero consequencesThere really needed to be actual towns and npcs instead of 3 npcs per region and then some random ghosts.
>>738576295>3 npcs per region and then some random ghosts.This is honestly fine. What 3 needs is way more battle scrolls. The newly added scrolls in the recent patch are just boss gauntlets. There's 3 massive maps they could make condense into dozens of small segmented battle scrolls with more interesting enemy variety and composition akin to nioh 1/2 side missions and it would cost them nothing. The open world slop needs to die but is a decent potential foundation for side content
>>738535013sengoku zone actually had a pretty good open world but then they dropped the ball really hard on the heian and bakumatsu zones and antiquity just made me wish the whole game was like that insteadthat said i still had a lot of fun with the game but i dont really have any desire to play it again until the dlc is out
They toned down the RPG aspects but the action is the best its ever been. I just wish it wasn't open world. Complete edition might end up being best nioh in the series if they get it right.
One thing I'm hoping for with the DLC is that they give us Takasugi's moveset. I'm a sucker for sword and gun and I fucking hope to do some Rising Zan shit
>>738576785I think if they did it would be universal revolver ninjutsu that could be used with all ninja weapons
Not enough new weapons.Same level of disappointment I had with the recent Monster Hunters that refuse to make a new weapon type.
>>7385350132 was hated on /v/ very frequently and to this day the only way to get a consistent nioh discussion is to rage bait with op
>>738577214It's a game with actual gameplay and not a screenshot simulator or a waifu gambling casino. Of course twitter retards hate it.
>>738577539And what a gem of a game it is
>>738575195>Since then much much better Soulslikes have come aroundLike what? The genre is still virtually non-existent outside of Fromsoftware's catalogue and 99% of those are shit.
>>738578109I've seen that comment in every nioh 3 thread since Feb. It's just bait.
>>738547560God Jack’s the best.
>>738575195>Since then much much better SoulslikesLike what
>>738578382Yes
>>738569740Nioh is without question more popular in 3rd world just look at the stats of the subreddit
>>738535013Too many mistakes/downgrades from 2. Still one of the best games of the year but also one of the most disappointing ones.
>>738569703Samurai objectively does more damage when fully kitted out people have matched this out and shown this in practice.Also anyone who pretends we had constant threads for nioh 2 are gaslighting
>>738568690You can ignore basically all effects. It's like wondering if you have to actually learn advance cancel techniques to enjoy DMC. I can't combo for shit and I've hundres of hours in action games. I don't enjoy learning combos I just enjoy cool shit and stuff dying
>>738576054She doesn't have burst attacks in 1.She doesn't shit out corruption bubbles in a circle in 1.She doesn't have the umbrella laser move in 1.She doesn't have homing paralysis balls in 1.She doesn't have the dive kick in 1.She doesn't do the sidestep while shooting spikes in 1.Why lie?>inb4 D-DOESN'T COUNT
>>738575195>Nioh 3 comparatively didn't improve at all.True>Since then much much better Soulslikes have come aroundLOLNioh 1 and 2 are the only good Souls-inspired games to this day. Every other Souls clone is derivative slop for cretins who never understood what made Souls games good and will play anything with a stamina bar and a roll/parry
>>738555627>Too hard (as samurai)>Odachi is garbagelol?
If I were to play one of the new TN games, should I play nioh 3 or ninja gaiden 4?
>>738535269nigga, people did talk a lot about nioh 1 and nioh 2 especially. Not just about builds but characters and story itself.>post you're hiddylove those shitposting and derailment moments.
>>738535013>already forgottenYeah I did everything in the game already, waiting for the DLCs
>>738581098Okay now do that to an actual boss that fights back and not just some braindead human "boss" holding block.
>>738582161okay lol
>>738582286>didn't bring it out until the final hit of broken ki after using twin axes Have to say, you're the most disingenuous faggot I've ever had this argument with. Good job.
>>738582426sorry i didn't make any more webms and thought it would be funny to post one immediatelyyou're right it doesn't prove anything BUT i personally didn't have any issues using samurai or odachi, though admittedly i did enjoy switching between samurai and ninja throughout the game.
>>738535013>nioh 3>forgottenthere's always atleast nioh thread on /v/. Unlike that forgotten overrated piece of shitkiro as it deserved.
The game is fine, I like it a lot. It does new things that made it feel fresh to me. People act like Nioh games can have the same kind of discussion around them as souls. They can't, they don't have the worldbuilding, they don't have the memorable characters or locations. It's why the open world feels like a con for most. Once I got to practicing bosses and trying out weapon loadouts it became ton of fun and I realised it can stand on its own and not just be Nioh 2.5.People who engage in the whole ninja vs samurai debate are probably one weapon users who don't even know what a flash attack is.
>>738583490I actually enjoyed the open world, but that's probably because I'm an explorationslop enjoyer at heart
>>738555627These are the exact criticisms I'd expect from someone who is genuinely bad at nioh
>>738582286Very cool. I love the flow of combat in 3. So much potential to be creative. Wish there were more interesting guardian spirits. I have the exact same ones for my ninja/samurai. Funny how hatchet was such a perfect fit for ninja style. Even more so to take advantage of aerial play
>>738575195I feel the exact opposite. Time has only made Nioh comparatively better. Everyone called it a soulslike back then because we barely had anything other than Lords of the Fallen, but this "subgenre" went on to be so derivative that if Nioh came out today nobody would call it a Soulslike. Mission-based structure, face button combat, player dictated pace in a more proactive than reactive style, direct storytelling, diablo loot, and so on. It's the only one with an actual identity.The things that make it distinct and nowadays are reasons why people love playing those games like the loot and RPG systems used to be considered negatives by many people who would beg for them to remove those elements. The major appeal of the NG+ cycles would go to shit if you remove the itemization and just make it more like Souls like many people wanted back then.
>>738586934Same, Nioh series are pretty much the only roll sloppa adjacent games I'm willing to tolerate at this point.
it needed more content and fewer options. ninja was a mistake. i dont need a trillion different ways to do the same content. i need the content to be deeper and more challenging. they could design a game with zero dialogue/cutscenes and id be happy
>>738535013it's the dark souls 3 of nioh franchise
>>738588359Na Dark Souls 3 is an unfun boss rush slog where you enjoy it by just running to the next boss. Nioh 3 is at least fun to play moment-to-moment
Behold: The only good modern Team Ninja game.
>>738538918I fully agree, but I also bounced back from nioh1 the first time around. 2 clicked, and then I could go back and enjoy 1 for what it was.I could see new players stick to 3 since it's similar to elden.In short, who the fuck knows what will happen, and if dlcs will fix everything or just add better designed areas and fuck the main campaign
>>738589775Struggling to think of a bad one
>>738552153You can only go up from here
Never played a single Nioh game. I want to ask...Will I like Nioh 1&2 if I enjoyed Dark Souls 3, Sekiro, and Elden Ring? From what I understand it's more focused on combat combos and looting.I play on PC and use mouse+kb.
>>738590376Nioh is very different from DS so it's hard to say. Do you>like DS's combat because you like learning bosses' attack patterns and react to them like rhythm game more than an action game?>do you think DS's combat would be better if its weapons have 3 modes: high stance with slow but hard hitting damage, mid stance for the middle ground, low stance with quick movement but weak attacks>do you think you can tolerate needing to press a button or two everytime you finish your attacks just so you don't run out of stamina immediately?>do you like or at least tolerate Diablo loot autism?>do you tolerate exploring not netting meaningful reward (due to the Diablo loot system)?>do you like the Feudal Japan historical setting?>do you tolerate having some really kino monster boss fights inbetween some really bullshit humanoid boss fights?If yes to all of the above, then yeah, you'll probably like Nioh.
>>738590376look at this and see if you'll like it
>>738591892I know you're a sperg but posting that shit aint it friendo
>>738592070kysys
>>738591892they butchered his fight so hard in 3
>>738591281>>738591892What I like most is that it's not too hard and not too easy. I like to see new bosses, areas, enemies. I've looked at some benchmarks to see how it will run, but I try to not spoil too much. The webm looks good. I guess I'll just go for it. Should I skip 1 and go straight for 2, as I've seen people on Reddit say that 1 is not too good?
>>738592383I feel like you've missed out on a lot more by having started Souls with DS3 than you would by starting Nioh with Nioh 2, so just go with 2, yeah.
>>7385923831 and 2 are great, just start with the first. Only like a handful of franchises arent worth starting with the first
>>738569703People forget the golden rule - it's shit until proven otherwise.
>>738592236His brother is a decent fight at least. You can disrespect Yoshitsune in 3 just as you can in 2, nothing has changed. He has always been a lenient boss
I HATE enkis
>>738592383always start in release order, if you don't like 1 it doesn't take that long to finish one run. Yea nioh 2 is generally better but 1 has some good shit in it too (also the game doesn't evolve that much from 1 to 2)
>>738548071There was no need to half the fucking weapons movesets. Just give us 3 stances for all weapons like Nioh 2 and make new 1 stance special ninja movesets for all weapons.
>>7385923831 generally feels like they couldn't quite do everything they wanted. 2 sure doesn't. It's also basically got everything fun from the first game, so it often feels like a straight upgrade. There are a few unique things in 1, and it has the story basically showing what happens before 2, but if you're only going to play one, that should be Nioh 2.
So what do you guys think they'll do next (after the DLCs)?>Nioh 4?>Wo Long 2?>Ronin 2?>More Nioh 3 DLCs?>Something new entirely?What are you hoping for?I'm hoping for SoP 2
>>738599602SoP 2 would be my favourite thing for them to do. I think they will do Nioh 4 but not for a few years. I think the most likely next game is Wo Long 2.
>>738599602Wo Long Johnson
>>738544778rotr open world was fun since it was immersive nioh 3 is just horrible
>>738582061ng4 since it isn't a TN game and actually respects you as a player
>>738599602Rise of the Ronin 2 is likely off the table unless they go into the earlier Edo period, and Squeenix would have to request a sequel to Strangers of Paradise. Wo Long 2 would likely be the next game since Team Ninja has pretty much exhausted all of the more popular civil war eras. Either that, or probably a Medieval Europe game.
>>738599602Drakengard 4
>>738599602nioh has run it's course, I don't really like chinese history or mythology, and ronin was fun but I'm not sure it needs a sequel.Ideally I want a new IP, but SoP 2 would be great.
honestly 99% of the real plot really really depends on the DLC considering all of nioh 3 is just you stabilizing the timeline and what the real Iemitsu does is far far more touchy then what normal society can bring youyou can call the majority of nioh 3 practically an asset flip apart from lilbro's spurging yokai fitting the past time travel shinianigans
>>738535013it was like a hundred buckaroos, what did they expect? aint no one paying that much for a jap game
>>738600702>For SOP2 we've decided that you can access a third job and can swim. Also we have a dedicated a stance where you can be a pirate
>>738604778Team Ninja pirate game would be so fucking kino holy fuck
>>738604874yeah but they choose chinese pirate style instead
>>738535917body type
>>738543339saaaaar
>>738549638>I'm assuming the vs stats like physical are damage absorbtion, but what about defense itself?It's similar to how you have %damage reduction from armor in DS3/ER but also passive Defense from leveling up and Strength/Vit that effect damage taken as a ratio, except here it's from gear levels
>>738535013>>What did this game do wrongcensorshipbody type mental illness
>>738535013Personally I stopped paying attention once I saw type A/B
>>738555627Outside of bouncing from midstance, I don't really see the problem with Odachi. In fact I prefer it to the previous games because frost moon and arts proficiency fixes a lot of things about it
>>738569703>and shittification of the weapons>(ninja being infinitely far and away better than samurai)
>>738574335It's more like choosing between STR and DEX+INT
>>738599602SoP flopped so it'll be Rise 2 or Wo Long 2. Wo Long actually did pretty good for a one off entry. Last reported player count was like 5 million over its lifetime. Probably from gamepass psn and steam sales making it cheap but still pretty good for a one off.
>>738535013Site in general is nearly dead compared to when the previous ones released.
>>738608051SoP didn't flop, it's the people's champion
>>738608334I thought square said it underperformed? Maybe I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong in this case.
>>738608785google says it seld really weld
>>738609548>seld>weld
Hot take but I think Nioh 2 & 3 being set in ancient Japan was a mistake. They should've made it about exploring other mythologies. Kind of like folding Wo Long under the same brand instead of being a separate thing. With Nioh 3 I can really feel the fatigue setting in despite otherwise liking the games and Japan setting. I just don't think I can keep doing it ad nauseam.
>>738610412What other settings would you like to see them explore?
>>738611076I remember after Nioh 1 there was a fake rumor being spread about the sequel taking place in a mythological Ireland. That would've been cool. I also wouldn't mind to see the Middle-East with all its cool creatures and weapons and armor designs adapted to this type of game. Personally I'm not picky, I like all historical settings, Japan included. I'm just not sure if redoing the same samurai Japan setting over and over again is the winning long term strategy here, even if it does help cut back on development costs.
>>738610412Don't really agree, Nioh is bathed in mythology, sure, but it's even more guided by history. Japanese history specifically, they shouldn't be expected or required to invest as much into other place's histories to craft historical drama for them.It's so ingrained that the actor they got to play Hideyoshi is well known in Japan for playing Hideyoshi, they went with what the collective unconscious would think when they thought Hideyoshi for his image.Japanese history is rich enough that they could find a lot of variety in their settings without having to adapt other people's cultures. I don't want Nioh to just be japanese God of War.
>>738610412Just make a new IP at that point, the japanese yokai and war stuff is too ingrained to it
>>738537918anon did you think Itagaki was at Team Ninja until he died...?
>>738612314Itagaki invented videogames.
>>738612334i never said nor even remotely implied that he didn't, friend.
>>738535013Team Ninja wants the open world clout but they just aren't good enough at it. They're infinitely better at making missions and it probably, artistically frustrates them.
i hate this modern trend of dogshit games getting a lot of sales the first week/month then slowing down to a crawl since they're actually horrible games but hyped up by everyone
>>738613091>Team Ninja wants the open world clout but they just aren't good enough at it.Literally every open world maker ever.
