>>738752206I'm going to try to play some RTS games on my steam controller when it arrives
>>738752502Let me know how it goes, that might be the only way I can keep playing. Fucking carpal tunnel.
The only RTS worth playing now are Company of Heroes 3, Men of War 2, Age of Empies 2 (4 if you are a contrarian) and that's it. ZeroK and the other free one are overrated attack move slop.Tempest Rising and the other nuCNC wannabe are shit.Starcraft 2 is megashit for small peen koreans typing War & Peace between commands just to raise their APM.
reminder that if you can type at 60 wpm that's over 200 actions per minute. if you are playing at sub 60 apm you are either literally crippled or your mind is the bottleneck.
The only way to save RTS is to make them work on consoles.
>>738753109>ZeroK is attack move slop.pretty retarded opinion there m80
>>738753109Warcraft 3?
>>738753160my apm does suck, i feel like if i try going too fast my mouse clicks stop registering
>>738753109i play(ed) all these toobut also zerokive heard they keep shitting the bed with coh3. balance wise anyway. does it at least feel like its out of early access now?
>>738752206You know what I'm dreaming of, bros?I'm dreaming of a 2D fantasy RTS with an engine that can handle a MASSIVE AMOUNT of units, like Cossacks.
>>738753325I only played a bit of Cossacks but the massive armies was a very fun part of it.
>>738753245It's been nearly 30 years nigga>>738753294It was good for a while, then they shat the bed last patch. Hoping the patch this week is better.
>>738753109You have never played Zero-K before. It is the purest form of RTS to exist. Nothing comes close. Grouping Zero-K with BAR shows you know nothing. You have never won a competitive match of RTS in your life. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UeFfu0CI0Y, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHCXLuTix58, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVzOQMr5ZSE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An-25Vby7nY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq82O91JBHcYou need absolutely everything to win a match of Zero-K. Strategy, tactics, micro, just absolutely everything. You need to do everything. It is for the most fit of men. Complete and total human utilization.
>>738753160Not equivalent. Processing a sentence is not the same as processing an RTS match and actions you need to take. 60 WPM is also using both of your hands with a vastly superior input method to half keyboard half mouse while the 200 APM doesn't take into account mouse or camera movement at all.
>>738753325Just play Dominions
>>738753109>Company of Heroes 3*2
>>738753109All of these get turboshat on by Rise of Nations.>>738753325Isn't Cossacks 3 highly moddable? Should be possible to mod this into existence. Also, Heroes of Annihilated Empires is a fantasy game on the Cossacks 2 engine and it sucks.
>>738753512Don't care. Giant robots are gay and haven't been done well since Metal Fatigue
>>738753579>the p2w trash played only by cheating slavs and chinamenHaha no
>>738753724Then you do not care about RTS. Get out of this thread and start a MOBA or milsim one instead.
>>738753584Cheating AI ruins RoN
>>738753528if you are good at rts the actions you take are as automatic as typing a sentence. the reason you are slow is because you are trying to compose the sentence while you are typing, while a skilled player already knows what he wants to write.
>>738753796I named 4 RTS games I consider better than zerokaka. You are the one who is obsessed with one game and claiming anything else should leave the thread. You are the fake RTS fan faggot who should leave
DoWchads how we feeling about 4?
>>738753528In fact I think this is why Spring games' post game readouts are superior to APM even if they're not instantly readable. It tells you key presses per minute, mouse pixels moved per minute, mouse clicks per minute, commands per minute, and the least useful in average command size.
>>738754021Looks awful. I'm glad, too. Fans of the franchise deserve to die after clutching their pearls into dust over a perfectly serviceable DoW3
>>738754021it cant be worse than 3... i am probably the minority that wants a dow2 styled campaign and it isnt happening... i hope a modern big budget rts can do better than some faggoty string of story missions. for a campaign. im too old to care about competitive
>>738753928>if you are good at [reductive execution-based rts]Fixed that for you.
>>738754003Men of war isn't even RTS. It is RTT at best. Not even close to a real RTS. The games you listed neglect too many parts of what makes an RTS an RTS. Zero-K is a real RTS. Real strategy, real tactics and real micro. Not just one part and neglecting the rest. Zero-K is the definitive RTS. Nothing comes close. You do not want to play an RTS. You do not even like the idea of RTS. Get out of this thread.
>>738754156dow 3 was one of the most disappointing games ever... at the time. plenty giving it arun for its money now. if you actually fucking knew, man. what shit taste. what ignorance.
>>738754242cope
Zero-K should be renamed Zero-P, in honor of how much pussy the playerbase gets.
>>738753109>Company of Heroes 3, Men of War 2Gates of hell supplants those, it's the best WW2 tactics game now.
>>738754369when he said mow2 i just assumed that included goh. goh is so good. i wish it had better sandbox sp content though.
>>738754292Over what, being right?
>>738754369Runs like shit and has broken AI. More than an actual game it's a sandbox for guys who think using Rommel as their profile picture is hard
>>738754369Dogshit AI, same as MoW. Whatever unit you aren't babysitting in direct control is useless trash.
>>738754520>Runs like shitpost specs
>>738752206This is Zero-K?God it looks worse than I thought.
>>738754021Nothing, its insane to me that people are still getting hype about these games because dow 1 was a good game 20 years ago. These bloated corpo structure companies cant make good games because the people in charge simply don't play games. There is 0 passion for games from these people. Middle management men and women who will collect a pay check if the game is good or bad. These people will literally ask chat GPT what to do then force it into the game to justify their salary. They have an IP and that will be all they need to sell a game. dow3 was on sale for 5 dollars not even the 40k IP cant sell these games to people with a brain (RTS players). You want a good rts game thats coming out? Look at dust front or DWARF.
>>7387546173070 and a 3600X. Doesn't matter either way, game runs like shit soon as you have more than 3 AI in a match
I wish American Conquest was good (and playable).
>>738754456over being a brainlet
>>738753448and it's been 27 years since the release of aoe2 but aoe2 and warcraft are still goated>>738753584ron tries too hard to be civ, aoe, and empire earth but fails epically
Are there any GOOD jewtube channels that focus on reviewing released/showcasing upcoming Strategy games? Something like what Mortismal gaymen does for RPGs. Every single strategy game channel is usually autistic hyperfocus on one franchise/game.
>>738757117perafilozof
>>738754021I'm 50/50. The devs seem to know which direction to take the game and what the fans want, I just don't know if they have the competence to deliver, based on their previous game that was mid. Trailers are hit or miss, the gameplay they show is probably at this point a year out of date, so hard to comment on that.At this point it's pretty obvious that the story is gonna be. Mechaniggus fuck around on Kronus and wake up Necrons that survived the blast from Dark Crusade. Necrons are gonna be two factions; the Kronus natives, and they're gonna explain away the basedcron retcon by them being a Destroyer Cult, and another faction of off-world nucrons that wanna find the Void Dragon shard or some shit. Blud Rahvens are deployed to assist Mechaniggus, get intercepted by Gorgutz. Gorgutz is gonna have a tussle with Guzcutta, Ork native on Kronus, you gonna pick which one you play with. The Blud rayvens can't handle the Void Dragon, so the Dork Angels come in to save the day. If it's going to be as corny as it sounds, then at least this won't be a downgrade from the campaigns in Dow 1
>>738755213
>>738753325>like CossacksMy friend played the shit out of that game. He OD's on heroin btw.
>>738754935>These bloated corpo structure companies cant make good games because the people in charge simply don't play games.They're also very risk averse.
i've been banned for calling people retards in Eugen games...
>>738758969>>738754935But dow4 devs are not some bloated gigacorp, they're a fresh AA dev with one game under their beltThat game being Iron Harvest is, however, a problem...
>>738759724It's only natural. A dev that aped Lelic's Company of Heroes will now be aping Lelic's Dawn of War.
>>738759931lelicpilled
Nothing is cooler than Zero-K.
>>738753109>Age of Empires 2.>Better than SupCom FAF.
>>738753183PC makes about as much as all consoles combined.
>>738753724Lull.
>>738761202>eastern-asia ledthen you need to make a gacha RTS
>>738761124Yes, AoE2 is a lot more fun and SOULFUL.
Quick, post a memorable SupCom unit quote.
>>738761702Have fun start-stop microing instead of dodge-microing like a superchad.>>738761767It's all memorable. You can hear the battlefield in a video. Lines would kill the fantasy of a futuristic battlefield and drown out sounds you actually need to hear. You're not going to hear people one-lining repetitively when you can build and control whole armies.
>>738762594plus they're all robots except for the commanders and support commanders.
>>738763187and that's why the game is boring, there's no pathos
>>738763453Your performance is directly tied to your social identity. Killing is stupid. Pathos that.
>>738763583>Your performance is directly tied to your social identity.Does that mean I should be sad for my robots?
>>738763453I don't know about you but I don't feel anything for any RTS unit beyond what they can do.
>>738753574>DominionsAh yeah, this one was fun, yeah
>>738763807It would be better than feeling sad about yourself.
>>738766041Universe at War did giant crab tanks better.
>>738753928It doesn't matter how automatic something is when there's a larger travel time between the actions. It's like typing sentences then switching to the numpad midway through and back over and over. It's going to fuck your WPM up no matter what.
>>738766276This is also why games switched to grid keybind style because it is objectively faster than having to move over and hit P for patrol or M to queue a unit or whatever.
What are the best RTS games for someone who has never played one and is below-average IQ?
>>738766371Red alert 2
>>738766276no it's like saying the reason you can't type even 10 wpm in a language you don't speak is because qwerty is an inefficient layout and not because you have to look every word up in the dictionary before typing it.
>>738753325I can get some nice big battles in modded total warz darthmod fullstscks with 41 unit army mod gives 10,000 vs 10,000 pretty often
>>738766371StarCraft 2, BAR
>>738767990No it's not. You're assuming the ability to hit keys with both hands is correlated to APM. It's not, because you are using one hand for something other than hitting keys entirely.
>one of the best RTS campaigns is a GBA gamehow did they do it
>>738754021Looks good. Will be the first RTS I will buy since DoW 2.
>>738754276You are not special, tranny. DoW 3 was DoW 1.5 but with 2's heroes, nothing more and nothing less. In fact, DoW 3 looks shockingly close to the original vision of DoW 2, before it had to be downscaled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzVlpUf7e5wThe insanely performative, hyperbolic response to DoW 3 is nothing short of cringe. Shitters out here pretending that it's a worse game than literal soulless junk like Grey Goo and WW1 games made by some guy in a shed.
>>738752206>Real time shit
Most fun historically accurate game with battle scenerios similar to ones rhat happened? Im completely new to rts..
>>738769986>launched with 3 races instead of 4
>>738770058aoe2
>>738770058Not too sure on modern ones but Close Combat 2-4, Rome:Total War and Medieval 2 Total WarThey actually used Rome: Total War for history channel stuff (mostly background stuff)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTMllYhqQtM&list=PLuPmbAiTys7-woCrAdiIbdWDa7x-2zCVM
>>738768876this was using my left hand only. again unless you are totally crippled you can easily play at over 100 apm. if you are slower than that it's because your brain can't think of what to do fast enough, not because your hands are too slow to keep up.
>>738770432forgot picture. step up bitch nigger.
>Literally no good RTS games coming out soon>Want to make my own>Literally zero coding skillsend it
>>738770473Got 60 and 95%. My hand was also about to seize up near the end of the minute.
this game was fun
>>738752206>tranny colors
>>738771967Aliens dark descent was fucking awesome, girl boss storyline asideThe game nailed the tension and vibe of the 2nd movie so hard it was unrealI really wish there were randomized areas to go through
>>738773328The story missions and cutscenes feel so disconnected from the actual core of the game, I completely excised them from my mind, feels like some kind of corporate mandate they had to include them in.
>>738753574Whenever you try to run a large army in Dominions, it causes your formation to be squished into a box because the battlefield isn't actually designed for thousands of units on each side so unless you're a chaff-spam nation you're going to resort to a few big, strong units and mages.
Zero-K and BAR are both really fucking poorly designed
>>738773560you can't say that
>>738773560>>738773619Of course you can, you are just objectively wrongIf you don't mind saying objectively wrong things, you can say it as much as you want!
>my face when I see a low effort mechslop game with no originality and character
>>738773708Why? It's both just infinite resource no-stakes stalemates, almost every game looks the same. The designers did not really explore the possibilities of the medium in the slightest.
I'm too lazy to play games now. What games let me watch the AI fight itself?
>>738773973See? Nobody can stop you. You have all the power! Just keep going!
SC2 feels unplayable now that 75% of players are mentally unstable Mexicans and Brazilian faggots who’ll grief and teamkill the moment you say something or they blame you for them losing all of their units 1v4.Is AoE 2 DE still worth getting and learning once it goes on sale again?
>>738774373>SC2>TeamkillWhat
>BAR chads >actually playing and enjoying the game>zero k shill>just spamming the same shit over and over instead while his game is dead
>>738773973You have never played a match of Zero-K.
>>738774218There are No Orcs
>>738753579>>738754369My niggas
My favourites in no particular order are:Tiberian sunAoe2War wind 2Men of war assault squad 2Company of heroes 2Cnc3HomeworldCall to arms: gates of hellWarhammer total war 2Is my taste shit? Idk but I certainly like the second game in a series best in most cases.
>>738774218Look up Behold Battle.
>>738775102>Is my taste shit? Idk but I certainly like the second game in a series best in most cases.besides company of heroes 2 nah thats pretty good
>>738774218Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator 2
> they traded it for esports
>>738775102I've played about 200 hours of Gates of Hell recently and been having a good time
>>738752206what are the dots?
>>738774510>play anything other than 1v1>mexican teammates will grief you by attacking your shit with their units/workers if you so much as even slight them>they’ll attack you and blame you as the root of their faults even if you’re 1v4ing the enemyThey’re insufferable small-dicked bastards with zero chill and low impulse control
Gonna replay CoH1 campaigns. I haven't played it for like a decade
>>738776091Haha thanks bro. Yeah CoH2 is a guilty pleasure just for the multiplayer with my mates. It's objectively broken, and has the scummiest monetisation, but for whatever reason I just really like it!>>738776713It's fuckin great aye. My bros and I frequently play against a bunch of the hardest bots just for a neat way to hang out online and chat shit.
>>738757670On one hand, I fully understand that previous works will give a good barometer for future works. On the other hand, sometimes it takes a creator making a bunch of shit before they finally hit gold. I want to be optimistic for DoW4 as well, but it's also nu40k with modern GW. I know there's going to be some dumb lame and gay shit that just has to be included as some kind of matter of fact now.
>>738776492Lankletbros.... how did the manlets win...?
Been playing a shitload of this recently, makes me wonder what they could've done with the universe (lol) that they built if Sega didn't pull the plug on sequels.
>>738752206Why do all modern RTS games have poor unit visibility?
>>738754021I saw a sheboon blasting necronsthat's enough for me to be skeptical at best
>>738777658Nonwhites aren't very good at design in basically all forms, and visual design is just one among many of their failures.This fact combined with the fact that browns are the primary source of game development teams in current year and you get shitty games
>>738776492I like the one where Tomb Spyder does some fingerplay in front of disabled Dread before ramming his whole claw through that small visor hole
I like Starcraft 2.I think the campaigns are fun and I like playing lots of different modes with my friends who aren't experienced in strategy games.
>>7387776583d is worse than 2d for clarity + most devs are more interested in making grafix that look good in trailers and store pages than ones that aren't as impressive but are better for gameplay
>>738776747The clip is probably from a replay and the dots are probably player cursors.
>>7387794193D can be fine for clarity with RTS games, devs don't seem to understand that you need to exaggerate certain parts of the model to make them stand out when you're looking at them from the standard over the top view in RTS games. Obviously they won't be "realistic" but it will make them identifiable at a glance.
>Brood war still huge (in Korea)>AoE2 maintains a large boomer playerbase >WC3 still around despite blizzards attempts to kill it Meanwhile SC2 is basically dead without any major tournaments.
>>738754563wut gaem?
Did anybody play this? Someone just made a thread about it on /vst/. I've never even heard about this game before
>>738770473>>738770739I got 60 while backspacing for 100% accuracy and pic rel not caring about fat fingering.Starcraft 2 is the best RTS
>>738782970Fug
>>738752915stop using wireless peripherals (and wifi and bluetooth on your phone, 5g is fine), it causes or worsens carpal tunnel. it causes constant oxidative stress
Most of your starcraft micro is equivalent to controlling your character's heartbeat, breathing and blinking. It's artificial micro. Nothing impressive compared to the real micro seen in Total Annihilation, manipulating your units in 3D terrain, dodging projectiles, kiting, skirmishing, retreating, repairing and moving your army around to have as favourable engagements as possible.
>>738783163I admire your effort to keep this up for years
You niggas better go play Universe at War: Earth Assault right now.
Most of your total annihilation micro is irrelevant because nobody plays your shit game lmao
>>738783703
>>738754021Not feeling it or 40kTW, my favourite DOW was 2.
>>738783703Now what would the Starcraft population be like if you didn't count all the koreans you will never meet?
>>738754549best thing is if your tank turns its turret to look at some infantry 500 meters away so a inferior tank can penetrate that side and rack it.
>>738753724Ignore him, he's just a dumb SEA monkey spammer
>>738784101>my favourite DOW was 2.Exceedingly rare based /v/igger
>>738753325Black Moon Chronicles was the shit when I was a kid
>>738770408new territorial conquest mode was kinda boring. i played it for like 2h then quit.
>>738770408>>738787221which game?
>>738754369Gates of Hell is ruin by its shit AI
>>738787274starship troopers terran command
>>738766041Here's the best it could do for an Ilshavoh.
>>738789141
>>738773973>cant refute argument>cultists seethe impotently in the woodworks
>>738786163still a whole lot larger than TA niggers
>>738789539You'd be surprised.
>>738789462Your argument has already been refuted though. You never played Zero-K. You heard it descended from Total Annihilation then made an assumption on what it is. Effectively you created an argument about something you made up in your mind.
>>738777658>>738780616That's one of the reasons, but also modern devs can't into foreground vs background colour design. Even 2d RTS can suffer that issue, but it's less pronounced because it doesn't have realistic lighting so all the units are rendered in perfect brightness no matter what. You need high vis units and low vis background.The other thing they fuck up a lot - and this has been happening for decades at this point - is that they design factions too rigidly around a single visual style. Making the factions identifiable is one thing, but when each unit is coloured the same, a similar size and made out of the same materials it makes them all blend together in a mess. I've been playing C&C3 recently and it's in full force in that game.
why does this autist spend all day posting zero-k on /v/ where nobody else likes his ugly game and everyone makes fun of him
>>738790969This is an RTS thread. If you do not like Zero-K, you do not belong here.
>>738791050Zero-K is one RTS (that nobody except you likes)
>>738752206So you guys know how some RTS game have AI assist options like letting it run your military or auto assigning your idle workers to jobs?What if there was a game focused on managing AI ran nation or whatever? Kinda like Majesty but with different scale
>>738766041>AI generated image shameful display
>>738753512People don't like RTS because of how stressful and tiring they are to play. You aren't winning them over by posting videos of competitive play. People don't want to be competitive; they want to have fun.
>>738791104And this is?
>>738791102Zero-K is the purest form of RTS. If you do not like Zero-K, you do not like the RTS aspect of RTS. Stick to MOBAs, autobattlers, movie games and console games.
>>738791186>Zero-K is the purest form of RTSso why are you the only fan lmao
>>738791175We don't want you here. Stick to MOBAs, autobattlers, movie games, console games and tower defense games. You weren't built for the genre.
>>738791269I'm not sure what you think you're achieving here but you aren't.
>>738791216/v/ doesn't play video games. They play moviegames at best.
>>738791269>We
>>738791314Keeping the trash like you out.
>>738791183Concept art of supreme commander 1 from one it's artistshttps://www.artstation.com/artwork/r4rA5There are interesting things here but the current posters in this thread prefer using AI than looking for art of supcom
>>738766371starcraft 2 campaign
>>738754813Yeah, this shit is always shilled on /v/. I tried it and it was horrendous, like every SPRING Engine game.
USEYOUR FILTERS/Zero-K/i/BAR/i
>>738791554The next RTS threads will include these words to keep the garbage like you out.
>>738791623why dont you just start a Zero-K thread?
>>738791645RTS threads are intended to have the interesting RTS games in it. Not autobattlers, MOBAs, milsimshit and other forms of garbage.
>>738790823Units in C&C3 still at least have very unique and identifiable silouettes.
>>738791784why dont you just start a Zero-K thread?
>>738777008>It's fuckin great aye. My bros and I frequently play against a bunch of the hardest bots just for a neat way to hang out online and chat shit.bro, you are exactly the same as me and my bros, 3-4 people just playing against hardcore German bots lmao, we've got hundreds of hours, only touched PVP a couple of times
>>738791554Why do Zero-K and BAR cause so much asshurt in these threads?
>>738791813Because this is an RTS thread.
>>738791873but Zero-K is the only game you want to talk about
>>738790969Years of being here have led me to believe that some anons have been mentally reduced to little more than a basic algorithm when posting here, repeating the same routine over and over without really thinking what exactly they do or why. This place reinforces this behavior by obscuring the public opinion behind the veil of anonymity, and thus rewarding the most persistent and aggressive retards pushing whatever agenda they wish. Lack of personal consequence behind internet communication has bred the biggest imbeciles the world has ever seen.
>>738791915There are other worthy games to discuss, just not the trash you post.
>>738792017>There are other worthy games to discussname one that isnt zero-players or some other total annihilation ripoff
Whats an rts where I can play a swarm based army like real scale HOTS. I love throwing 10,000's of fodder into the meatgrinder.
>>738792119>name one RTS game that isn't an RTSGet out.
>>738792192thanks for proving my pointgo make a Zero-K thread and leave the RTS enjoyers alone
>>738792254I have made an RTS thread. You should leave the RTS enjoyers alone. >>>/trash/MOBAG
>>738789094Have a better pic
>>738792309You made a Zero-K thread because thats the only game you talk about
>>738792372The point of an RTS thread is to discuss RTS. >>>/trash/gsg
Friendly reminder that it's just a few autismos with loud mouths who speak like this
>>738752206rts and fps
>>738792435All RTS not just one
>>738753183Single player RTS already works on consoles. I played through C&C, RA1 and War2 on PSX back in the day. It only doesn't work if you want to go full competitive MP tism mode.
>>738753183>consolesThey tried to do that and it killed supreme commanderMobile is where the money is rñat
>>738792776>ñ
>>738754021Not interested because it's modern 40k primarishit/primarchshit.
>>738792776>supcomfag is spic
>>738792137Try playing as the undead in Heroes of Annihilated Empires. It sounds like exactly what you're looking for.
>ñ
>>738792776>Spic wants to tell you mobile is where the real money is>Fucks up post and gives him away (most likely written from his phone)AmazingMight as well just say you like gacha as well
>>738773560All units there look like toys for children.These games at least know their audience.
>>738752206I could never grasp the scale in Sins of a Solar Empire. Also, space pirates.
>>738792597I wish Supcom didn't have the slowdown late game issue it has. I'd still be playing it otherwise.
>>738773560While Supreme Commander and Total Annihilation are not?
>>738793512Those were made by practically the same people so they know to make good game, they have flaws of course but they aren't flawed like BAR and Zero-K are. Which were made by amateur devs might I add too.
