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what's lil nigga mooj's deal?
he's the most retarded character in ffxiv?
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SPOOKED YA
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>>738938304
While you were insulting him, he studied the blade
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>>738938875
Damn right.
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>>738938304
Lil' mooj gets eaten by another reflection portal at the start of the next expac then mid-expansion you find 30 years have passed for him and he's got a cool af armor and studied the blade, he joins the scions.

Would be neat, hate Danwtrail but I liked this lil' guy.
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in this thread you will have the ones to the side coping, seething and malding over the game and deranged playerbase
you'll have hornyposters going on about fictional women of various ages, or just gushing over the races in general
you might even have some gameplay discussions going on
some avatarposting, usually the same ones every thread
and you can't forget about the schizoposters
there, i have summed the thread, unless i forgot something else
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>>738939507
What did you do in Final Fantasy today?
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>>738938304
>the most retarded character in ffxiv
Wrong image. Meet Brandon from Kentucky.
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>>738939774
fuck 4chan
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>>738939737
see, i'd consider that gameplay discussion, loosely anyway
but i've been suffering through post shb msq
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>>738938875
Unironically a decent piece of writing that a little whiz-kid with tech ("reason") wants to become a swordsman ("resolve") to follow his father and grandfather's legacies
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>>738938304
>he's the most retarded character in ffxiv?
no, that's nidhogg
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>>738940289
Nidhogg would be an utterly shit villain if not for one thing: making sure to characterize both him and the similarly obsessed Tiamat as being completely fucking bonkers even by dragon standards
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>>738940363
Tiamat is such a fucking foid I swear.
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Alisaie anal
Alisanal, even
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>>738940479
>Fucks her brother
hmm
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>>738940512
Alisaie painal while I strangle the life out of that obnoxious pig.
The look in her eyes when she realizes I'm not just playing rough but I'm actually, really going to kill her.
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>>738940538
Mono-sexed species, albeit
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loving marriage with Alisaie where she continuously feeds (You) homemade cookies to deliberately fatten you up so you can't leave her
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>>738939737
got castrum abania on a roulette. killed all 8 pods and cleared the dungeon in 14 minutes

that will be the last good dungeon i get for like a month

i didn't take a screenshot so here's a cool unrelated picture
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>>738940690
This ruins my belief that Ysayle is a size queen who physically worshipped Hraesvelgr's-
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>>738940976
Imagine if the Evercold Au Ra is Shiva. 8.0 will really be Heavensbringer. (3.0+5.0)
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>>738941159
Odin and Shiva
Sitting in a crystal tree
K I L L I N G E A C H O T H E R
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>>738941159
Would be amazing
my hype for Heavensward 2 is maximum
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i hope it's more shb than hw
i thought hw was meh
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>>738941282
fuck off shadowbabe
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>>738941282
it feels more shb than hw as is
reflection stuff
following an expansion that was maligned that had a monster hunter crossover
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guys? we already HAD a femra party member, remember? her name was... uh...
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Why was he such a shitty villain?
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>>738941978
daddy issues
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>>738941829
Yugiri my beloved...
>>738941978
Kate and Hiroi
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>>738941978
Filler arc villain both in purpose and in actual writing
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>>738941159
we're bringing heaven to the godless realms
kino
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>>738941978
Wasted design. Actually crazy how much random art he seemed to get for being such a shitily written and utilized villain.
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>>738941978
He was like Garlic Jr. tier filler but Garlic Jr. was actually kino and exciting.
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>>738942304
Man, I had recorded Dead Zone from Toonami and watched the crap out of it as a kid. With the surfer dude sounding Goku
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>>738941978
>they didn’t let us do the cooking challenge with him so we get to know him better
>waited until we were close to fighting him to tell us about his trauma of feeling like he wasn’t good enough
>had a whole ass kid he just abandoned for ??????? reasons
>died like a bitch
His wings and theme are good tho
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>>738941978
He was "the raped".
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>>738941978
he was zenos but sad
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>>738941978
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>>738942260
That's what happens when you're voiced by Jotaro.
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>>738942571
kek
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>>738942542
They're basically nothing alike.
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>>738942723
both annoying faggots that were fundamentally broken from birth
just that one tried to be cheeky about it while the other was just a sad sack
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>queue pops
>suddenly have to take a shit
Anyone else know this feel?
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>>738942837
In that sense Zoraal Ja is closer to Vauthry than Zenos.
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>>738942542
Dude is nothing like Zenos, he has a huge daddy issues and Zenos is completely apathetic towards everything but stuff that give him joy aka fighting strong people like the WoL
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>>738942951
Vauthry was told he's a god. He's basically the opposite of Zoraal Ja.
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>duude all new villains are Zenos
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>>738942951
Vauthry's definitely the closest allegory, got fluffed up as enormous from birth
Vauthry treated the fluffing as self-evident because of his sin eater nature, Zoraal Ja was constantly trying to prove it to himself more than anybody else
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>>738943118
Gives me a lot of Boss Baby vibes
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>>738943118
not hard to draw comparisons when their main trait is being single-minded and inexpressive and their only real difference is motivation
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>>738943118
I think it's more two annoying faggots with no real raison d'etre are equally gay.
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>>738943282
So you think they're the same because they're both boring and one dimensional?
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>>738943295
Not having a reason is the entire point of Zenos at least. He's a much better embodiment of Venat's ideals than wol.
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>>738943448
>and then for no reason at all that light-aspected skank made me *GULP* walk
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>>738943448
>He's a much better embodiment of Venat's ideals than wol.
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>>738943118
>>738943282
>easy to draw that conclusion when both of the evil villains are evil villains
wow
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>>738943439
no, I said it's possible to draw conclusions when they feature many similar traits even if the reason for those traits is different
sort of like how every second worlo villain is some grand schemer who planned everything all along
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>>738943814
remember, jay'lor's similarities to thanos in avengers endgame means absolutely nothing
they're both villains after all
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>>738943814
>when they feature many similar traits
the many similar traits of not really having any traits
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Final Fantasy XIV: Y'shtola's Last Egg
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>they share one trait
>they're exactly the same

>>738938541
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>>738939264
Yeah that would be kino.
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>>738943954
Shaking the paint off her walls should probably knock a few more eggs loose
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Let me date the npcs already.
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>>738944013
>they share one trait
>they only have one trait
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>>738943954
We have to freeze her last egg in Evercold
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>>738944013
nobody said they're exactly the same though
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Hey TJ. It's another XIV thread.

What's wrong with /vg/? Anyone else noticing again?
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>>738944232
nobody says a lot of shit doesn't mean he's right
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>>738943954
isn't she like 25
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>>738943121
Thing is if Zoraal Ja just fucking talked to his father just a little bit he could have been normal but his father also isn’t that good, he jist should have talked to him like because I’m 100000% sure he seen his son slowly becoming unhinged
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>>738944308
lol
lmao even
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>>738943448
>>738943642
He is but the Venat simps are also the Garlemald seethers and they don't want to hear it.
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>>738944327
Could have stood to lampshade it a bit more that Zoraal Ja never really sought help
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>>738944308
>25
too old
that's hag territory
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>>738944374
>Venat simps are also the Garlemald seethers
"Zodiark Trancers are Venat fanboys"
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>>738944308
Think in her late 30s to early 40s so she can still get pregnant because my 40 year old nurse friend got pregnant few years ago
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Video game ge nerals belong on /vg/
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>>738938875
Is he gonna get shot trying to charge at policemen with his blade
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>>738944308
One of XIV's strengths is how believable the characters are
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>>738944503
Did this actually get added to auto-mod filters or are you trying to avoid being filtered poster-side
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>>738944509
Lil' mooj, NOOOO
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>>738944386
Yea think Gulool Ja Ja just isn’t the type to bring stuff up unless you tell him even if he sees going wrong
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>>738941829
salsa?
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>>738944438
Do the trancers love Garlemald or hate it? You gotta pick a narrative little buddy.
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>>738944374
>He is
It's funny that you think that, anon.
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>>738944552
She's 32 at the beginning of ARR. Same age as Thancred
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>>738944801
>32 at beginning of ARR
She's 35 now then since Dawntrail mentions it's been around 80 years since Ketenramm
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>>738944728
we all love Garlemald here
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>>738944878
What's surprising is that Urianger is younger than both
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>>738944552
>claims to be 23
CUTE HAG CAT
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Come to think of it, if someone wanted to shitpost, it'd be pretty easy. You just say anything negative about Zenos.
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>>738944991
It’s probably because dude loves to talk silly is why he feels older than you think
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>>738944991
Urianger sounds much younger in nip. He's just giga autistic.
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>>738945010
Meanwhile, F'lhaminn is 5 years older than Y'shtola, and she dresses and acts like a fucking elderly woman
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>>738945036
the easiest shitpost is asking someone what they did in the game who's thread they are in

like you anon. what did you do today?
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I stopped playing at the end of Dawntrail with everything at 90. Saw there's a free login campaign but is there even anything for me to do without having to pay for the new expansion?
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>>738945163
>I stopped playing at the end of Dawntrail with everything at 90.
anon, the cap in dawntrail is 100
I assume you meant EW, and the new expansion in this case wouldn't be EC, but DT.
And I think you should be able to access Cosmic Exploration, Pilgrim's Traverse and Merchan's Tale?
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>>738945159
Everything here is a shitpost. Especially since TJ here hawks these threads 24/7 protecting the usual actors
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>>738945163
Solo Eureka Orthos
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>>738945323
TJ?
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>>738930831
You should add in the raid (specifically 8 and 12) have visuals from jecht. M8s especially has close to the same model.
M12s is directly garland sure, including model, dragon, shapes, and ideal final mechanic 2 worlds.

Also dream zanarkind city matches the golden land quite heavily.

Id say its a 9 and 10 mix.
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>>738945365
why would you do this to him
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I thought everyone I don't like was Barry or Pablo
who the fuck is TJ
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>>738945376
dude trying to force himself into becoming a thread personality with a pet name for mods
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>>738945531
There's also Frederick.
And of course Sena and Kate.
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>>738945106
I miss 1.0 F'lhaminn
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I'm gonna be honest
I genuinely missed the part where we first saw Halmarut in Treno because I was on the phone, and I was genuinely so confused when they showed Halmarut running and hiding in the final cinematic, talking about how she made eye contact with the WoL. Had to look up the cinematic on YT
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>f'lhaminn is an old cat hag she's minfilia's marm she's an old ditty!! she dresses like a grandma!!
>look inside
>37
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>>738945742
Didn't ask
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>knocked up all these women
>daughters are all terminal femcels
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>>738945578
That's pretty sad.
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>>738945742
>on the phone while playing a video game
thats straight up not bussin, on god
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>>738945752
F'lhaminn literally slid off the pole she was dancing on a second ago, put on a frock and some glasses and began LARPing as a granny.
And people fucking bought it.
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>>738941978
>no screen time because Wuk Lamat hogged all of the screen time for the entire expansion
>completely nonsensical motivations that flip-flop constantly (like five or six times over the course of the expansion despite the dude having like 70 minutes of time on screen including his ten minute fight) before eventually boiling down to daddy issues
>bizarre fluctuations in his personality between being honorable/pragmatic and just being a completely unhinged psycho
>entire character hinges on daddy issues that came out of nowhere and are focused on a character that we are otherwise told is explicitly an amazing dad
>give the people war so they learn to hate war
>only actually sympathetic qualities are purely accidental (i.e. being snubbed by his adoptive siblings, the unintended implication that the cat tribe is just racist and set him up to fail)
>try to cram in a weird sympathetic sob story at the eleventh hour after already displaying how completely unhinged he is
>off-screen character arc because he spent 30 years in the hyperbolic time chamber
>the story never even pretends to consider who his mom is or if she's in any way relevant to him despite his entire character being centered around how miraculous and unique his birth is
>simultaneously portrayed as the ultimate badass but is actually a total jobber
>all of his efforts get embarrassingly crushed in a way that make his motivations and plans look comical
He may genuinely be the shittiest villain in the entire FF series, and all he has going for him is a little bit of aura because he's kind of like Vergil. It's kind of baffling how they managed to make such an atrocious villain on every front. I have to think a lot of it is do to sloppy rewrites, because it feels like his personality and goals change on a whim in a way that reeks of being altered later.
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>>738945752
getting teen pregnant by thancred ages you
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>>738945975
>we are otherwise told is explicitly an amazing dad
If all your children are massive fuck ups you aren't an amazing dad regardless of what everyone says.
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>>738945975
>give the people war so they learn to hate war
It's a stupid motivation for Senator Armstrong too and is explicitly framed as such that both the player and Raiden know he's a lunatic Much like it is for Zoraal Ja
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>>738945971
I'm not gonna hang up or not answer a call because I'm playing a fucking videogame
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>>738943108
Zoraal Ja's entire issue, though it's portrayed poorly, is that he has the high expectations of being called the Miraculous Son and being the child of the coolest dude that ever lived. So in that regard he is similar to Vauthry, though Vauthry is an infinitely better villain.
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>>738946115
Koana has Sharlayan pawtism, Wuk is kinda stupid but fine otherwise, Zoraal is the star child but refuses to get help for his issues. Of the three, Zoraal is the biggest fuck-up, but pretty specifically because he /won't/ get help.
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>>738945915
>le career woman
>le career woman
>whore / whore / whore
>y'shtola (le career woman) + le career twins
>stuck in a dead end job
>lesbian
>got fucking yeeted into a different dimension
>studying to be le career woman
Let this be an example to every would-be nunh to not fuck Sharlayans, they are genetic dead ends as they refuse to have sex.
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>>738946230
Yeah, I know. He's got impostor syndrome and blames daddy for it.
Also I wouldn't call Vauthry a good villain at all.
Neither
>Ran'jit
>pre-Pandaemonium Lahabrea
>Nidhogg
>Thordan
>Zenos
Same for Valens, but in his case, that's the point because he's the comically evil bad guy made to make people forget Gaius' crimes.
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>>738943108
Yeah, and Zoraal Ja was told he was the Miracle Child. Two Headed Mamool Jas cannot have kids. In his mind, he shouldn't exist, but he did. So that meant he was destined for greatness, and he was destined to be 10x the man his father was
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>>738946335
Wait, Y'nazqha is a dyke?
Lame.
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>>738946428
Not really, she just takes the part of Romeo in a Romeo & Juliet style tale in the Merchant's Tale who wishes to get the attention of the maiden, it's more she plays the role of the male character to help you get through the Dungeon like a CYOA book.
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Don't forget you can play for free right now
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>>738946115
The narrative portrays GJJ as a good father, just like it portrays Cahcuia as a good mother (despite being absentee). The implication that they're not is unintentional and a writing issue. Koana and Wuk Lamat are supposed to be good, and ZJ is supposed to be a psycho purely of his own fault, despite the reason being daddy issues (for his father that is meant to be a good father). It's just a bit messy and weird writing.

>>738946137
They're quite different. Armstrong's goal isn't to show people how good they have it by causing war. It's also better in his case because
>he has a greater motivation beyond teaching people to hate war (he wants to use war to cause a reset)
>he wants to tear down a system he thinks is corrupt and rotten (whereas the system ZJ lives in is perfect and flawless and he just wants to remind people how good they have it by ruining it all)
>Armstrong is consistent in his goals, ZJ never mentions "create war to make people hate war" ever again because his motivations change constantly
>Armstrong's unhinged plan fits his greater ideals (Social Darwinism), whereas ZJ's greater ideals don't seem to exist or are never really elaborated on (because he just wants to be the strongest, actually)
Beyond the surface level of at some point mentioning the idea of starting war to achieve their goals, they're not that similar.
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>>738946725
Kate just can't stop doing it.
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>>738946775
At least GJJ seems like a good dude.
Cahciua just seems like a shitty mother who got an unplanned kid and then didn't wanna bother raising it.
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>>738946775
>The implication that they're not is unintentional and a writing issue.
Literally every character Hiroi writes has mommy/daddy issues. Its all he fucking does.
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>>738946943
she did raise him though, they just lost contact after he left for Sharlayan
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>>738946369
Vauthry is a good villain just because of how it ties into the Sin Eaters and their concept.
>born as a Sin Eater because Emet-Selch turned him in the womb
>thus he was born without Sin, and becomes "Innocence" when he turns (whereas all of the other Sin Eaters have to be "Forgiven" for something)
>it's a double meaning because in all honestly Vauthry is totally innocent, since he was cursed to be a monster and a tool for Emet-Selch from birth (effectively born without true free will)
He doesn't need to be anything deeper than a megalomaniac that was never given a chance to be anything else.

I would say Ran'jit, Nidhogg, Thordan, and post-EW Zenos are perfectly fine villains. Maybe not super deep but they have solid, consistent motivations, understandable goals, realized personalities (that might just be two-dimensional but that's not necessarily bad for a villain that shares the stage with other villains). There's nothing wrong with a villain that's just a giant evil dragon that's been so consumed by righteous vengeance for thousands of years that it's poisoned his heart and turned into an all-consuming, soul-deep racial hatred that won't be sated until he's either purged the bloodline of his betrayers or died himself. His personality isn't deep, but it's a compelling, cool fantasy story.
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>>738947098
It's all pretty boring to me.
And it doesn't need to be. I don't really care for Ilberd in terms of who he is as a person, but I think he's a good villain.
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>>738945975
It felt to me like he was never supposed to be a full villain, and be more like Bakool. The entire time I thought for sure they were setting up for all three of the kids to lead after dad dies and their respective development forces them to step up.
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>>738947091
It's mentioned that GJJ spent more time raising him than Cahcuia did because she was often going on adventures. It's used to explain why he's so close with Wuk Lamat, but it isn't really treated as a criticism of her character or abilities as a mother.
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>>738946775
>he wants to tear down a system he thinks is corrupt and rotten
>Armstrong is consistent in his goals
>Armstrong's unhinged plan fits his greater ideals
Armstrong wants to be the god-king of America by turning his capital into actual physical power, using technology that's so fringe even in a post-uplifting scifi setting with the Patriots gone that Doktor, a foremost expert on android/cyborg technology, has to take guesses on what Armstrong is and how he works. Literally everything the man says is ideologically barren if not outright craven, reflected in the game deliberately not dwelling on what Armstrong's ideals even really are outside of the final boss, or the Winds of Destruction not talking about his ideals in any depth (including his adherent and lover Mistral, whose song lyrics talk about being given an ideological backing for senseless murder), or Sundowner being an open warmonger, or Jetstream Sam having never been an ideological follower in the first place. Of the Winds, Armstrong shares the most ground with Sundowner, a Southerner who despises any power dynamic where he's not on top and is quite transparent about wanting power and being able to kill whoever he wants, whenever he wants. Armstrong puts a philosophical veneer on it, but doesn't have any deeper desires, really. Even social Darwinism is a petty pretense for trying to take the country by force once subterfuge fails.
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>>738947098
Ranjeet was a good fight, I enjoyed the instanced fights but thematically and as a character, I thought he was fucking useless and made no sense.
I still don't understand the Dragon shit around him. Has that ever been explained how he was so powerful?
Because in the previous expansion to Shadowbringers, Stormblood we killed Zenos who had two echos I think? Used that power to merge with Shinryu and we defeated him.
But then we instantly got smacked down again by Ranjeet, again I just don't understand what made him so powerful from a lore/ in game theming reason.
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>>738946164
so pause the text?
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>>738947201
yes, and she's the one who taught him everything he knows about the wilderness
which implies they spent significant amounts of time together in the wilderness
also she's a rabbit, getting raised by some random dude is literally dey culcha
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>>738947294
>Has that ever been explained how he was so powerful?
HE HAS THE POWER OF GUKUMATZ ON HIS SIDE
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>>738947294
It was because he was using new techniques that caught you by surprise. Notice you can’t see the AOEs the first time he does it. Then in the second fight you’ve already adapted and can see them. It’s that simple.
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>>738946787
yup in the original japanese Y'nazqha has you jump into one of her yuri manga so she can fuck the princess
Kate localized it so the story is about Alladin and she's just acting the role of a male lead in a straight reelationship
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>>738947294
>I still don't understand the Dragon shit around him. Has that ever been explained how he was so powerful?
Ran'jit is a combination Reaper and Monk who's had close to a century of practice fighting sin eaters every day, his Reaper partner is a dragon-like (but not dragon) creature. His tutor's abandoned wyrm partner is a Hunt mark last I checked.
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cahciua is a shitty mom and fucking ugly to boot
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Did you get your chicken emote bros?
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>>738947514
Yea, I bought a shirt since there are no Jollibees near me.
The shirt quality is actually pretty nice
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>>738947294
I don't like Ran'jit, he's easily the weakest part of ShB. But his character makes sense. He'd been fighting the sin eaters his entire life and had raised and watched die several generations of Oracles of Light before Ryne came along. At some point he just gave up and started eating the meol like the rest of Eulemore.
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>>738938304
Nah, the most retarded person in the game is yoship himself
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>>738946230
The problem with Zoraal Ja is that all his issues are just what he personally says and we are shown the exact opposite of that for the entirety of Dawntrail so he just comes off as a cripplingly autistic and retarded when his explanation is clearly pushed at the last minute of his life as a play for sympathy.

Fucking Wuk Lamat has a better explanation for why she feels pressure and inferiority toward her family and society. Bakool Ja Ja has the same exact motivation as Zoraal Ja as "the chosen son to bear a culture's legacy with an overbearing parent" but all of that is actually shown by the story and he's LESS evil than Zoraal Ja.

That fucker is the WORST written part of the worst expansion story by far. Him even being beloved by the Turali public doesn't even make sense because he's shown being an asshole to every citizen throughout the whole contest.
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>>738947514
I stopped caring for emotes/glam/mounts/minions after realizing my legacy tattoo is the rarest of them all and everything else pales in comparison.
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>>738947630
you forgot to call him "yoshitpiss"
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>>738947438
Wait, Kate made it less gay?
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>>738947656
>legacy tramp stamp
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>>738947656
Thats why I don't get mounts
I use my legacy chocobo
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>>738947514
Since when does Casca ASMR youtuber care about FFXIV?
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>>738941978
theres literally zero conflict in Tural so his save the world scheme of starting a hyperwar is complete nonsense, along with any semblance of his motivation because no one suffers under his fathers completely pointless rule
Bakool haha serves up every plot point and semblance of friction Zarool should have had to establish himself while still being written like garbage, but escapes scrutiny because he just gets turned into a different character after you help him and doesnt eat up the remainder of the expansion run time being a toothless threat that (You) get to fight once and immediately decimate
Tural has the typical "should have been a full expansion" problem but CS3 either got raped by culture sensitivity advisors, had no actual ideas for it, or genuinely got wrapped into the semi-cancelled IX remake merchandising train and rewrote everything from it into irrelevancy so we could get eternal speen instead
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>>738947514
Yeah, I went on the second day because it was probably packed.
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>>738947656
>the rarest of them all
ENTER
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>>738947662
Too easy and too low brow.
I prefer "kuso-p", shitty producer, as its japanese nature will sting him harder.
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>>738947716
Same here, I've never cared about mounts in this game since I have the 1.0 Goober and Legacy Choco, not like you can really show them off though since you can't summon them in most places where people are. I do like to collect glams/Adv. plate stuff/hairstyles though.

>>738947706
You sound jealous
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>>738947760
Bakool is basically the story arguing that Zoraal Ja's viewpoint of "two heads' inherent greatness! I must live up to it!" is a horrible argument since Bakool is kinda pathetic, before even getting into the endless stream of abortions needed to get to that "greatness"
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>>738947931
honestly didn't even know there was a title as meta as that
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>>738947656
I played 1.0 for a bit but never got any legacy tattoos and shit
I was robbed
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>>738948030
Zoraal Ja doesn't have that viewpoint. His complex comes from his birth being supposedly impossible and everyone else calling him a miracle. It's a complex about everyone's expectations for him, not any belief of his own that Gulool Ja Ja is superior.
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>>738948323
If you still have access to the account where your 1.0 character is it should have the tattoo
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>>738948387
His complex is still rooted in two-heads and their greatness at the end of the day, regardless of it not being the most immediate impact on his psyche since his actual inferiority complex takes center stage. Otherwise his trance form makes no sense whatsoever, he very clearly equates Gulool Ja Ja and two-heads with power and maturity, self actualization, his "true self"
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>>738946775
>just like it portrays Cahcuia as a good mother (despite being absentee)
It didn't portray her as a great mother. Erenville is clearly shown with conflicted and resentful feelings toward her, and his memories of Tural as a whole, the entire time because of her. When we meet her we can clearly see how she really is only capable of superficially connecting him as a friend or "cool mom"" and not an attentive mother.

She 100% came off comparable to a real parent who had their child young but still had their own personal ambitions that they couldn't really balance, even down to a family friend that puts in a lot of work to help raise him. Their ending is sad because she's gone before they can ever properly sort everything out so Erenville has to make peace with it and do his own journey to try to understand her.

Certainly the best character writing moments in Dawntrail and one of the better moments in the whole game and I do not like Dawntrail.
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>>738947514
>bought the meal
>chicken is pretty good
>get home to redeem
>you need some number that’s on the fucking receipt that I threw away
Shit is so retarded. Closest jollibee is like 2 hours away too
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>>738948030
Zoraal Ja's problem isn't with two-heads being superior, as he is almost immediately shown capable of subduing Bakool and referenced as regularly dealing with much stronger vidral. His problem is with his own existence and being in his father's shadow, except its never showcased in a meaningful way because nothing about either of them is. We just get Gulool Jaja dickriding for 25 hours and then he dies, with not a single character in the story presenting a meaningful narrative about why he warranted such worship in current times because all he did was tussle with random tourists and sell his kingdom out to his retarded kids.
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>>738948613
It makes the helper-bot keychain seem a lot less disingenuous with the angle that Erenville probably knew his mom better when she was dead than when she was alive
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>>738948696
don't you remember anon, he taught them how to make zippo pibbles
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>>738948807
Unironically yucatan pork is delicious and that makes up for half the writing faults
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>>738948540
because the complex is about his dad and his dad happens to have two heads. He wasn't from mamook or ever express any care at all toward the Mamool Ja cultural hangups towards the two heads. After getting raped he names the baby after his dad. The dude is basically a primal made up of all the different types of daddy complexes.
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>>738946738
I see you and raise you
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>>738948323
Did you opt in to import your character from 1.0 to ARR? I still dont understand why people ditched their 1.0 character to start new.
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>>738948929
Permanent free trial up to level 75 is better news than this
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>>738948929
did they ever fix the download time thing
I'm not going through the trouble of account recovery if it's still going to take 4 days to actually log in and play
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>>738948929
RETVRN TO SVPERIOR GAME VVVGHHHH (/v/ posters continue to not play FFXI)
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>>738948613
>Erenville is clearly shown with conflicted and resentful feelings toward her
justifiably. and i don't even like erenville.
>a real parent who had their child young but still had their own personal ambitions that they couldn't really balance
More like a party girl who would leave their child crying in the crib when they went out to go party, but yeah.
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>>738948929
I'm hodling for the extended free trial
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>>738949097
I play both
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>>738949097
>i don't play it so nobody does
Why is the XIV fanbase so full of narcissists?
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>>738944150
>still can't dress M'naago up
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>>738948613
In my opinion, the "camera" or narrative of Dawntrail never engages with the idea of Cahcuia actually being a poor or absentee mother. She is, factually, not very good, but it doesn't seem like the narrative thinks she is. We can give the writing more credit than it deserves and say it was intended, but I'm not convinced that it was.

This is a frequent problem with DT, where there's a bit of dissonance between what the narrative is trying to say and what actually comes across. Like how they accidentally made the Hrothgar village seem super racist to lizards even though that wasn't intended. Or how Wuk Lamat comes across as a lazy do-nothing that never cared about her subjects until she had a personal incentive (rulership) to get involved and learn about them, even though she is MEANT to be portrayed as really caring about her people.
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>>738949097
I will probably never play XI. Just not the kind of thing I feel like playing. It sounds like a chore.
>he he he zoomie doesnt want to play a REAL game huh just idle in limsa
I play a game to enjoy myself, so if the entire draw of the game is "look how much of a hassle it is and how many SOVLFUL it has to make sure you feel like you're constantly swimming upstream", I'd rather not waste my time.
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>>738948512
>>738948981
I just played the 1.0 beta never actually subbed since it was shit
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>>738948929
does 11 have an extensive story you can singleplay for hundreds of hours for quality stuff like xiv?
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>>738949318
You wouldn't have to have subbed to get the legacy tattoo though
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>>738949367
You can play XI MORE solo than XIV
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>>738949285
>She is, factually, not very good, but it doesn't seem like the narrative thinks she is.
Erenville's constant spergies about how she's blatantly unwilling or unable to recognize how much he's struggling and how frustrated he is with her is I guess the closest to that.
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>>738949367
it has the same "teleport here to watch cutscenes" gameplay but it takes 45 minutes to walk to the waking sands instead of 1 minute
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>>738948929
I'm using the free XI login to play The Voracious Resurgence right now, it's peak
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It's out
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>>738949426
Actually it's pretty quick to get around in XI these days.
This is the power of crystals. Transcendent. Sublime!
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>>738949367
Yes
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>>738949613
He looks so plastic
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>>738949405
It feels like that's portrayed more as something HE needs to get over, rather than a failing of her as a parent. It's similar to how his annoyance at Wuk Lamat being a fucking idiot is portrayed as him just being fussy and a worrywart. He is presented as wrong to be frustrated at Cahcuia and the issue is that he is struggling with coming to terms with her loss, rather than it being shown that she's failing to understand her son's emotions and care for him properly after being a neglectful mother. So the problem gets resolved when they have an amusement park ride and he gets over his mom dying when she shows him that there's a world for him to explore out there. Whereas if the story was meant to be that SHE was in the wrong, the conflict would resolve with her providing closure to him by apologizing for her failings and somehow proving that she did love him and was just a flawed/unprepared mother, for example.
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>>738949613
the clothes look painted on
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>>738949185
i played ffxi up until a year ago and it was fucking dead as shit lmao. literally the only people playing it were mid-40s divorcees, wizards, or dads who kids are going into college
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>>738941978
>>>"""FFIX themed expansion"""
>the only new character who has a prominent, genuine struggle with how the circumstances of their birth have affected the trajectory of their life is one of the worst written characters in the entire game, if not FF franchise as a whole
I think the people writing DT may just be stupid
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>>738949678
soooo just like XIV then
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>>738949663
>It feels like that's portrayed more as something HE needs to get over
For me, that's definitely not the case. He basically looks and sounds on the verge of melting down trying to get her dense self to understand how he's feeling about this all.
I mean, you've been a child, and maybe you've had a child. In this case, let's go for the former.
Have you ever tried felt frustrated with one of your parents' inability to get you? You know, without you having to spell it out?
The concept of a parent who just refuses to acknowledge the feelings of their child (and this works vice versa as well, so don't see this as me trying to demonize parents) is commonplace. Especially in parents that don't know exactly how to deal with having a child. Sometimes, it's more egregious, like a parent who tries to treat their child as an extension of themselves, including their ambitions, revoking their personhood. But other times, it can just be a sort of social unawareness, often attributed to being of an older and more stoic generation that sees emotional turmoil as something to just stamped out, even when clearly stated.
In this case, Erenville was tagging along with essentially a re-killing of his mother, and it was clear he wasn't mentally or emotionally prepared for that, but neither did he want to impose his own will on his mother. Especially since keeping her around 'against her will' would also have an influence on the world around him (Queen Eternal's whole harvesting thing).
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>>738949952
What you say!?
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>>738949678
In the past year there have been so many newcomers they had to close three servers from character creation.
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>>738949561
i know about all the QoL thats been put in since my time. level and gear syncing, crystal teleports, gil being handed to you like xiv gives company seals, exp grinding being more akin to adventurers log spam than raw grinding

my buddy who still plays got this sword the other day. this is fucking insane. i had a nobles tunic and an apollo staff when i played. i felt like a god. this is a gear treadmill i'm not willing to get back on, even starting over with the ample amount of guides that exist

that roguelike mode is pretty fun
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>>738946115
It probably was a huge blow to ZJ's self esteem that your own father wouldnt choose you, the miracle child and blood son, to be his heir and successor and rather make a contest you have to compete against your adopted cat siblings.
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ffxi doesn't have jumping (no your meme emote doesn't count) so therefore it is an inferior game
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>>738950346
It does actually
They macro'd a jump emote lol
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lil nigga mooj
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>>738950346
>xiv doesn't have dating sim gameplay therefore bad
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>>738950393
read nigga read
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>>738949996
Oh, I fully agree that it comes across that way, but I think it was unintended by the narrative (again, like a lot of things in DT). I fully understand and agree with Erenville's situation and think it'd be way more interesting narratively if it was sympathetic to him and portrayed Cahcuia as a bad mother. Which is how it comes across to me. She seems like a bad mom that's oblivious to his emotions. I just don't think that was the reading intended by the writers or the narrative, and it only comes about because their writing is sloppy.

DT tends to go with the less interesting narrative path every time it can, and I think in this case the idea the writers had was not that Cahcuia was a bad mother that didn't see how her son was struggling and instead that Erenville is fussy and has emotional struggles that he needs to overcome that are NOT his mother's fault. Again, there's never any dialogue that explicitly says that Cahcuia was a bad mom, she doesn't apologize for being neglectful or struggling to connect with him. Erenville kind of fusses at her over it, but it feels like the narrative is trying to paint it as him having an emotional outburst because he's sad about losing her, not because she's failing him.

To put it one way: Koana is meant to be seen as very heroic, noble, and self-sacrificing when he throws himself in front of a T-rex to protect a cow he met three minutes ago, even though to the entire playerbase it makes him look like a total fucking retard. The writers and the narrative are completely disconnected from what the story is actually portraying. I think Cahcuia is another case of that. She is portrayed as a bad mom ACCIDENTALLY, and the narrative and writers think she's just a fun, sweet, loving, and goofy mom despite that not being what's really shown.
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>>738942935
for me it usually happens in reverse
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>>738950049
You have no chance to survive make your time.
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>>738949285
Erenville is our narrator for the expansion and he's the main person we know in the entire continent. We are meant consider his feelings foremost which aren't outright hatred but are pretty negative every moment leading up to meeting her and after meeting her Erenville is very on edge and snippy. No the game doesn't hit you over the head with "she's an evil bitch whore" but it doesn't need to do that for you to draw a conclusion about her as parent. I mean Erenville and his aunt talk about how hands off she was generally or how Erenville as a child basically had to chase after her to get her attention. The narrative clearly lays out how she wasn't mom of the year but it also does not suggest she's a bad person, I think that is what some people wanted it to do but that would make it a different storyline completely.
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>>738950238
That's pretty much it.
Putting aside the fact that Wuk is shit in every way and we all agree on that from a meta perspective.
From a narrative perspective, Zoraal Ja is this dude with impostor syndrome who was told he was special from birth, and followed the path laid before him to succeed his father. Biologically (as a legitimate child of Gulool Ja Ja and as a resilient son), he was basically tailor made to inherit the throne, and he always believed the most important part of being a ruler was physical might, because when people talked about how great Gulool Ja Ja was, it was usually because he was strong enough to intimidate or fight people into yielding to him.
When his retarded illegitimate half-sister that nobody likes or believes capable then wins the throne, it feels like he got backstabbed by his own father, and that every bit of doubt about his capabilities was founded.
Then he goes nutty and pretends he doesn't care about daddy's approval, kills daddy, and now there's no one left to offer him the approval he craved.
Something like that.
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>>738945975
Hiroi is a shitty theater writer.
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>media literacy these villain ballwashers have ABSOLUTE ZERO
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>>738950452
I don't think Erenville comes off as unjustified in his frustrations, though. No one goes and tells him he's selfish. They just don't seem to get what he's tussling with. (Have some patience with me here, it's been like 2 years since I played this, and I'm not gonna replay it.)
I think it was just a conundrum, all told. It's like if your mom (assuming you have a somewhat good relationship with her) told you she desired euthanasia, but you didn't actually want it. You can't object to it, since it's your mother's choice, but you also don't want her to go through with it. So you bottle it up, because you feel selfish for even thinking of wanting to stop her.
Having said that, the writing is definitely sloppy. It only deals with vague notions, and where it doesn't, it absolutely fails to execute it in a sensible and/or satisfying manner.
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Fussy little bunbuns
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>>738950678
Dawntrail inherits a lot of media-literacy problems that were starting during Endwalker
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>>738950420
Based and true.
I miss dating Arciela...
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>>738950678
>>738950773
These anons are writing lengthy analyses about the story. Where are yours? Or do you have to outsource your understanding of the story to the crowd which is why you can only mumble about muh media literacy (consensus).
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>put a Japanese Communist Party voter in charge of writing Dawntrail alongside his enabler foid cocksleeve and her nepofriends
>surprised that the fucking expansion bombs
yoshitpiss never fails to amaze
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>>738950476
Captain !!
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>>738950858
>speak about it generally
>yeah well what about this fricking epic debate in this thread
Speaking of media literacy
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>>738950869
How does that faggot show his face around work. He should sudoku
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I will always believe the 9.1 dungeon boss was intended to be Cahciua in some way.
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>>738950238
which is fucking hilarious when wuk and koana go
>Oh yeah Zoraal Ja was always really autistic, he wouldn't speak at family dinner unless he was spoken to. Neither of us really know anything about him because he never talked to us.

You make a point about the true blood son thing. I think that is a big cultural thing that comes up alot in JP media, very often they'll have stories put a lot of drama on adopted vs blood children as like an intrinsic thing but that really doesn't translate to an audience that doesn't really make a big deal about that.

The problem is that the characters in the story also don't put a big emphasis on that, it's literally just ZJ that cares and talks about it endleslly. Gulool Ja Ja is shown loving all the kids equally and all the other characters say he's always been like that and Tulioylal being a mixed society support for Gulool Ja not putting an overemphasis on blood legacy. So the sperg out when he asks all three of his kids to earn it just comes off as weird.
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>>738950924
Time traveler, how was Evercold?
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>>738950894
>retard whines about people trying to understand Zoraal Ja ("villain ballwashers")
>you agree with him
The type of retard who needs explicit words to reach a conclusion has no place speaking about literacy. Sit your stupid ass down if you have nothing worthwhile to say.
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>>738950976
War was beginning
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>>738951003
Play debate moderator on your own time
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>>738950924
I could see them originally intending it to be Cahciua but having a realization halfway through that this doesn't really add anything to either her character or Erenville's without also tying Erenville much deeper into the MSQ where he doesn't belong, leaving it as an implication or breadcrumb to maybe follow through on in five years' time would be the best move if that were the case
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>>738938304
Vivi if he cold blooded...
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>>738951018
WHAT YOU SAY
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>>738951034
>doesn't have enough understanding or intelligence to join the conversation
>has to mumble on the side about how everyone is wrong like a pissy little girl
Gachafag too to nobody's surprise. You done PMSing yet?
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Oh frick Vizex Xene on the scene
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>>738945975
that's not aura zoraal ja you fucking smell bad, take a bath.
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>>738951203
Do you think Zoraal Ja does the bathing dance?
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>>738951148
All your base are belong to us
You are on the way to destruction
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>>738950976
My bad. I meant 7.1.
>>738951109
I assume it's more to show how far Preservation went. Maybe they didn't want to make Calyx quite that evil, or something.
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>OUR WHOLE RACE OF PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL TO YOUR CONTINENT AGREED TO TALK LIKE SAVAGES BUT WE DONT REALLY DUDE WITH MAGIC TRANSLATION POWERS.


holy fucking shit.
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>>738951534
The Echo can't inherently tell if somebody is lying, same deal
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>>738951534
That was.... yeah that blows. Another Kate special, I surmise?
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>>738950682
Yeah, like I said, I think Erenville comes across as 100% justified and correct in his feelings. My entire point is that what the story seems to intend and what actually comes across is dissonant. The INTENDED meaning is that Cahcuia is a good mom and Erenville needs to come to terms with her loss, because he struggles emotionally and he's a fussy stick in the mud or whatever. That is his character throughout the story, and it comes to a head with Cahcuia. The source of conflict is that he is hung up on his mom, and the narrative is convinced that it's not her fault that he is, even though to a lot of the playerbase she comes across as a bad mom and Erenville is totally justified.

That's why I think it's sloppy writing. What the writers intended doesn't match the actual story (again, like Koana coming across as a total retard with the T-rex when he's meant to be noble and just). Good writing has the intended meaning shine through, rather than the writers being oblivious to the actual story they're constructing. For another example, it's like how the Hrothgar village is meant to show how Bakool Ja Ja and Zoraal Ja are unfit leaders that don't understand cooperation and peace, but there's an unintended side that comes across as the Hrothgar just being insanely racist to lizards and intentionally setting them up to fail.
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>>738951534
*renames Beast Tribes into Allied Societies in your path* nothin personnel, c*l*n*z*r...
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>>738951534
This is only as confusing as you want to make it, the Echo isn't a lie detector. It translates the spoken word and not the intent.
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>>738951667
i still call them beast tribes

i still call anyone who's not a lala or an elezen a beastman

hyurs are ok
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>>738951598
no, just a generic rewrite like 80% of the expansion
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>>738945915
>One of Y'shtola's sisters is apparently an armor autist
Fuck why didn't they just make her an important npc? That's way better then some boring hag, and her boring hag sister that is a forgotten job npc.
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>>738951791
She was placed in a HW Idyllshire vendor a decade ago
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>>738951667
I'll forever call them Beast Tribes, 'Allied Societies' sounds like some shit European Communist meeting.
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>>738951667
Its funny how despite being the official term literally no one calls them that. Even legit trannies still call them beast tribes.
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>haven't played since July 2024
>log on for the 4 free days
>barely make it through 3 MSQ quests
I don't know if I can do this, this game is fucking trash.
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>>738951768
Is it a rewrite or is it Anon misremembering what the Echo does
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>>738939264
Sorry, no beast races allowed in the scions
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>>738945915
Let this be a lesson that if you want to have as many children as possible, then spreading your genetics by travelling and fucking without condom the local women of whatever country you're in, is the best way to do it.
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does anyone here know all the names of tural and know where they are?
uhhh shaoolonibaloney - western place that was shit
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>>738951664
how old even was he when she started fucking off to adventure
every time they're on screen together she's bringing up "hey you remember when you were 5 and blah blah blah" which read to me like she didn't start to really become distant until he was a young teenager
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>>738951875
no, I think anon only brought up magic translation powers because the magic translation powers would presumably make the caveman-speak sound like a normal person trying to explain something to a drunk
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>>738951938
>Tuliyollal
Main city
>Yak T'el
Lizard inbreeders and hrothgar fursuiters
>Urqopacha
Peruvian midgets and giants
>Kozama'uka
Parrot vanuvanu and gob-- moblins
>Shaalaoni
Cowboys and injuns
>Heritage Found, Solution Nine
Cyberpunk 2077 where Sphene told me "WHY DID YOU CUM" and then the beat dropped
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>>738951664
I don't think it's anyone's fault.
Putting the whole fact that the terminals have to be shut down to try and fuck Queen Eternal over aside (a necessity), if we return to the more personal notion of a parent wanting to die (euthanasia), then neither side is wrong. Erenville isn't wrong to not want to let Cahciua go, and Cahciua isn't wrong to want to die. Ultimately, though, it's Cahciua's choice, as it is her life to end. But that doesn't make Erenville wrong for feeling the way he does over it.
The writers can't rightly admonish either side for feeling how they do.
But I do feel it's presented as Cahciua not grasping that Erenville feels torn over this at all, because she's not even considering his feelings, and therefore there can't be any resolution. If Erenville smiles and waves, hiding his true feelings, then he will have essentially lied until the very last moment to prioritize the comfort of his mom, and I think that is what he was trying to do. But it got to be too much, and deep within, he was unable to play along, hoping that she'd notice that something was off, and ask him, so he had an excuse to give his opinion.
But she didn't. She barrels along, assuming everyone is happy with the arrangement, until basically the last moment, where Erenville has his micro-melty and forces Cahciua to acknowledge it.
All of this + amateur writing, of course.
>>738951705
I still call them beast tribes as well.
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>>738951938
>place that was shit
that describes all of Tural, what an awful continent, it really was true to irl south america
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>>738951938
I remember them, which is more than the writers/localizers can say.
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>>738951938
I know the general names, but not the subzones.
Like >>738952085 said.
Also to just add in that little "well ackchually element", I can mention that Heritage Found was originally called Yyasulani, before the Everkeep sat its fat ass on it and took all its levin braps with it.
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>Characters name is Lilith
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>>738952270
Knowing status?
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>>738951938
I only bother to remember Alexandria and call the land next to it Texas.
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>>738952270
I saw a Lilith _____ and a ______ Estrabloom in the same dungeon the other day
I don't like being reminded these people exist
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>>738952270
>>738952312
Daemon worshipper porn addict is what I see, A Slaneeshi cultist
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>>738952270
>Lilith, Zoey, Lily, Luna, Amber, Ruby, Celeste
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>>738952463
le emprah protecc
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>>738949097
>>738949315
>>738949426
>>738949678
XI will always be the superior MMO, sorry zoomertranny.
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How do we feel about this?
Based? Cringe?
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>>738952270
>>738952514
I don't get it
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>>738951938
pretty funny that they even managed to make cowboys lame and gay
like come on, how do you fuck that up?
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>>738952550
Why did you respond so hostilely to me simply saying XI isn't for me?
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>>738952564
transgender/feminist complaining
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>>738946738
What does "eligible players" mean. Not logged in in the past 6 months?
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>>738952553
Cringe. Doing it for modern glams is based though.
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>>738952564
common troon names
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>>738952270
Lilith my beloved
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>>738952646
Yes, don't know the actual number though.
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>>738952553
can't have sexy belly attire anymore what has this world come to
>>738952657
>Doing it for modern glams
link for this mod?
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>>738952646
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>>738952630
What did you do in XIV today?
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>>738952768
I'm sure it doesn't exist since trannies fucking love modernslop.
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>>738952553
>snip tool accidentally covers crybitching
Woe is me,.
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>>738946738
>here's 4 days to skip cutscene through 7.0-7.5 so you can forget about it by January and don't have to do it in December
sasuga... yoshi-p dono thank you....
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>>738952868
but the cutscenes are the point of this game
what are you skipping them for?
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>>738952782
Why did you "what did you do in XIV today?" me for simply asking why you were unnecessarily hostile to me?
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niggas here be like "how do you pronounce tuliyollal???" and then turn around and perfectly pronounce Svartalfheim, Dyskrasia, Rhizomata, Fimbulvetr, and Jourmangundarok without skipping a beat.
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>>738953012
I say that.
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>>738952517
You fucking faggot loyalist Imperial. I'm a Necron.
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>>738952965
>Why did you?
>Why did you?
>omg he's so calm and reasonable, you win le argument!!
Go back to l*ddit. You're not playing XIV because there's nothing to do, but you know admitting it makes XIV look like shit so you avoid the question. You may now proceed to make up some activity you did and I will accept that fake story as your concession.
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>>738953012
Yes, I am in fact white.
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>>738953012
Did you know Chef Boyardee is a phonetic spelling of the name for dumb Americans and the actual spelling of his family name was Boiardi
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>>738952095
>yeah dude, free palestine
>erm, why are you pointing out that 2% of the population controls 90% of all news and media and have bought out all of the politicians?
>so what if they have dual citizenship with Israel?
>you're being a heckin nazi
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>>738953082
Tomar's green jew-el.
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>>738952095
>>738953245
go away please
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>>738953138
Are you okay?
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>>738953286
>Yeah I just support current thing and don't think about anything at all.
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>>738953516
I'd rather talk about the game
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There seems to be a wall in my path. I cannot go any farther.
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>>738953509
>yeah I'm so calm rn... I win...
Concession accepted.
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>>738953649
better dig, claude
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>>738953012
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>>738953729
I'm sorry to hear that, anon.
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>>738953509
>>738952965
That's a janitor trying to falseflag as a poster he doesn't like. Don't mind him.
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>>738953967
It's an easy question to answer though? Look how calm I am while asking it.
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>>738954087
>>738953967
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>>738952553
Cringe
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>>738954120
lil gup....
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>another Joe thread
goddamnit i thought we got rid of this guy
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>>738954192
>that graha
zamn
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>>738954370
I'd like him a lot more if he actually looked like that.
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I haven’t caught up with the story but can somebody please tell me we get to keep sphene or zero or somebody cute going into next expansion. So tired of the current scions, especially graha because he’s such a loser, he has no life he just follows us around 24/7 to suck our dick.
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>>738954538
Like a girl?
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>>738954814
we've said goodbye to everybody BUT sphene. which means either she's coming with us (we fly into a lighting storm in the evercold teaser, lightning is the opposite of ice on the elemental wheel so we might fix the 4th with the 9th's lightning) or the writers just forgot about her.
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>>738954814
>please tell me we get to keep sphene or zero or somebody cute going into next expansion.
doesnt seem like it jim
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>>738955019
not surprising, she's very forgettable
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>>738955019
>we fly into a lighting storm in the evercold teaser
means nothing
what causes lightning
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>>738954814
I sure fucking hope not. I don't want a single reminder of this expansion ever again
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>>738955378
warm air
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what was even the point of the cowboy zone
we got done dirty americabros...
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>>738955428
Oh, can it.
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>can't do patch msq because of ilvl to enter new dungeons/trial
>crafted gear costs a shitload of gil

what do i do? just spam the same dungeon over and over and hopefully get upgrades?
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Whoa shit we getting DDOSed
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>>738955539
Wild west is tired.
Just play red dead, or fallout.
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>>738955539
to make you seethe
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>>738955539
k8 and her friends at the consultation company.
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>>738955728
Given the option I'd much rather spam a dungeon over and over than give 1 gil to craftertrannys who have been subscribed over the past two years. Imagine what kind of people those players are, lmao.
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>mfw miamira's kemono page isn't kept up to date and the old links are all dead
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>>738955728
get mathematics tomes and buy historia gear with that
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>>738955948
kemono as a whole hasn't functioned as it should for months.
there hasn't been an update to any page for at least 3 .. months I wanna say? Maybe 4?
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>>738956020
Last import anywhere was a month and a half ago, probably importers died again on top of the owner facing some kind of server maintenance problems. Owner is still active and alive, he took down the Partychan links and other socials because they kept getting CP spammed in response to the service being down
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>>738955539
>Um ackshually it would be very INSENSITIVE to show heckin western culture in the SVPERIOR and DIVERSE NEW VVORLD (VGH)
>anyways my tranny best friend who is white as snow with a norwood only replicable in the ancestral deep forests of britannia wants to voice the big character of this expac and she insists she is latina (believe all women)
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>>738956142
There's that Wuk Derangement Syndrome again
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>>738955539
every expansion is mandated to have at least 1 zone that is pointless and will never be relevant again
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>>738956130
Thanks for the update. Here I thought the partychan links were removed so people couldn't ask what's up.
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>>738956207
>alamhigo, kugane, garlemald,uldah

lmao the shitter cities.
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>>738954814
liking zero is like this games biggest midwit identifier.
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>>738956130
Supposedly someone stole the domain name because the owner is a retard who didn't renew it. Dunno if there's any truth to that though.
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>>738956171
There's that Chaser Defense Force again
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>>738956362
>i'm not deranged, you're just an online defense force
LMAO
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>>738956312
Not true, Kemono would be resolving to some other website if the domain name were taken. Don't know what his deal is with media fileserving not working though, the servers are online but unresponsive and whatever service or server that serves thumbnails he's using still works fine
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>>738956412
Do realize you're talking to someone who believes he's in an eternal tug of war and if he tolerates anyone who says anything positive about DT for even a second, the tide will shift and everyone will suddenly love Dawntrail and his two years of toiling will be for naught.
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>>738956412
>replied within 40 seconds
He's not gonna fuck you tranny lover
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God damn I just did Dzemael for the first time since they made it trust-safe and it is soulless now.
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>>738956737
It always was soulless.
At this point they should just commit to redoing some of those dungeons to give them some teeth.
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Just a few more snarky dismissals of criticism and some namecalling and everyone will love Wuk Lamat. Believe.
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>>738956604
Even worse is he'll pretend he wasn't on an autism crusade for two years the instant Evercold launches
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>>738956821
I don't honestly believe that.
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>>738956273
Opposite actually.
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>>738956737
>>738956774
nah you guys are trannies. you dont play the game.
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>>738955539
Cute Tifa cosplay
The "Cowboy zone" sucked ass. Unironically this. >>738955906
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>>738956932
>nah you guys are trannies. you dont play the game.
I don't know what you are worked up about. Are you thinking it is not soulless now? Now that the eye doesn't chase you around and do AoEs, the boss fights have no mechanics anymore and max pulls do a fraction of the damage they used to?
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>>738955539
it was the only tolerable part of the expansion
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>>738956925
>*tips hat*
>Food and friends are good. Did you play ff4? I am cecil get it?
Brilliant thank you hiroi
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>>738956604
Do you realize that this little slapfight occurred at all because someone said something bad about Kate and Sena and you in turn called him deranged? What positivity is anyone shutting down here? Where is it? In reality YOU are the one terrified of letting a certain opinion go unchallenged.
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>Literally 2 years oh "um actually DT being bad has been debunked and it is actually GREAT and everyone loves it!! My proof? Well um... my proof is that it's been a year or two since it released therefore... GET OVER WUK?? you're not allowed to dislike it if it's two years old. Also my other proof is that I... le enjoyed the raiding!! Yes I'm using my raiding enjoyment as a measure for how good the game is because it's subjective and can't be argued you against, checkmate, DT is good!!"
There's someone on here pretending the exact opposite is what's been happening here for two years?
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>>738957297
>>738957252
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>>738957297
Good job on your tug of war, anon.
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>>738957297
>literally 2 years of "it's been 2 years since it released"
I am genuinely serious that you need to take your meds.
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>>738957332
I wonder if you're even capable of engaging with anyone honestly.
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>>738957297
bunch of normies slobs trannies coming back for shiney new evercold so theyre back with a vengeance and gas lighting you for hating kate, wuk, and the trash that was dawntrial.
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>>738957406
What happened to not taking people seriously when they said they were being gaslit since it meant they were hysterical
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>when the atmosphere is positive about the game, "critics" mock the notion of 'everyone one person' when it's thrown at them
>when the atmosphere is negative about the game, "critics" can't stop themselves from 'everyone one person'-ing everyone who disagrees with them
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>>738957449
People who talk about Elpis? Garlemald expansion wanters? Wuk detractors? Sena haters? Kate refusers? Lyrics posters? Lalafells? Ryne enjoyers? That guy who asks what I did in the game today? That's all dumpy.
If you see the same snarky language with the same image macros responding angrily to posts shitting on Wuk and ESPECIALLY posting that line count chart? Those are different people and you're doing me a poopsickschizo.
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Speeeen my beloved.
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>>738957589
>no actually you're the one doing 'everyone one person', you are ACTUALLY one person
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>shitposter with a persecution complex
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>>738955019
Thancred and Urianger never even met her yet. Think Thancred would do flirting like Zidane did in 2026?
Actually, has Thancred done any flirting since Shadowbringers? I guess he stopped doing that after adopting Minifilia.
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just dump your folder
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>It's okay when *I* do it because I am convinced you are actually my singular archenemy.
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How does one have below 30 battle high as a NIN when theres only 4 minutes left in a FL match.
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>>738957660
>janny who melts down when you say a magic spell making fun of his fetish
LMAAAAAOOOOOOO
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>>738957668
no thancreds been a week faggot since shb.
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>>738957745
what
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>>738957739
AFK
Retarded woman, tranny, or faggot
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>>738957756
Honestly i don't think he's done any flirting since HW. In fact, he was called "old man" by Hilda.
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>>738957817
He has a side piece in the Crystarium in Shadowbringers
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>>738957739
>make BH easier than ever to get and keep
>15 minutes into a match and half your team is BH 2 or lower
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>>738957297
I thought you were exaggerating in the past, but that guy has actually been running damage control for the horrid MSQ and Wuk since launch
I can attest to that
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I actually got the game improved by complaining about the ways in which Dawntrail and Kate's nepotranny pet were a demerit to the game (they were: half of the playerbase was lost)
Your cultlike whiteknighting only keeps the game shit. I've already been proven right by Evercold.
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>>738957739
im just in it for the tomes bro
pvp is dogshit bro why are they wasting resources on this
where do i go i need callouts bro
im """defending""" the node bro
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>>738957956
Your friend there seems to have some mental damage. I wouldn't egg him on like that.
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>>738957968
^ TRVKE
>>738958005
If you haven't noticed the lone guy running damage control for DT the past two years on /v/ you're either him or a faggot tourist.
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When I see a Vizex post, I always gotta wonder if it's really him or his skinwalker.
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WE ARE VIZEX XENE
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>>738958003
I want the mounts, which require wins.
I also appreciate the job skill experimentation that happens in PVP, but its netcode and lack of any 2 team mode outside of CC holds it back.
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>>738957297
that dude has probably spent 500 hours of his life sitting in these threads the past 2 years doing this shit and pretending he's not. it's genuinely concerning
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>>738957968
I was just talking to my co melee last night about this while we were reflecting on Dawntrail's failures
He pretty much said that "Dawntrail lit a fire under their ass" and it's only because people stood up and said how bad it was, and I agreed
>>738958005
I've been here long enough to notice patterns
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>>738958346
>>738958003
>>738957874
>>738957801
>Silence Arrow
>Silence Arrow
>Silence Arrow
>Silence Arrow
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>>738958525
I did notice the pattern that that guy has a screw loose, yes.
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>guy who flips out about the same shit every thread and then accuses anyone telling him to stop sperging out of being his personal nemesis accuses others of doing what he does
I sure hope it's just genuine derangement, because deliberately being disingenuous is very, well, you know what.
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>>738958710
projection and troll's remorse are very closely linked
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>>738958737
Isn't troll's remorse when you end up cucking out about your "past sins"? (You just keep acting like a wart, but against the 'other side' while pretending to be more righteous)
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>>738941978
I wish we chilled with him instead of wuk and it turned out wuk was the villain all along and was only pretending to be retarded.
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>>738958846
it does still also apply to when you know what you're doing is a total waste of time and you don't want to do it anymore but you keep doing it because ???
though some would also just call that "autism"
personally i'd more call it "troll's suffering" or self-inflicted boredom
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>>738958939
>and it turned out wuk was the villain all along
Wuk was the villain all along.
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>>738958972
>it does still also apply to when you know what you're doing is a total waste of time and you don't want to do it anymore but you keep doing it because ???
That's called sunk cost? Right?
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>HOLY MOLY IS THAT SOMEONE RIGHTFULLY MAKING FUN OF DAWNTRAIL AND CALLING IT BAD ON /V/????
>YOU'RE MY ARCH NEMESIS DUMPY MAN AND I AM THE HEROIC WUK CHASER AND SAVIOR!!!!!!!!!!
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>>738959507
that's crazy
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Shale status?
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How exactly will old tomestone gear work with the new system?
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>>738959875
They'll have to keep poetics in because of how many systems use tomestones.
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>>738959875
Probably keep Poetics and nothing else
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>>738959875
I assume poetics will stick around relatively unchanged and they just won't add new ones. You'll still be able to buy old gear with them and hunt currency.
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>>738959990
With the stated changes to how zones work and a change to a weekly system I could see them completely killing hunt marks and sacks of nuts in favor of working off of poetics too
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>>738959875
Poetics will probably remain.
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>>738959875
It's a little convoluted. The current poetics will stay as is, but the new gearing system also effectively make it somewhat redundant since you can reflect your highest ilvl onto your other jobs with lower ilvls. But that will only be relevant if you're already max level and caught up with the content, so newbies will still have a reason to do roulettes and the like.
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>>738959801
plot advancer for tech useless.
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Wonder what they'll do about new crafting mats assuming only poetics stick around. Will they all be tied to a new fate/hunt currency or just moved to poetics as well? Moving them to scrips will really hurt the average poorfag who's only got a couple combat jobs.
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Is there a reason why Minfilia and Yda are both white blondes while every other person from Ala Mhigo looks like Iraqis? Just thought it was odd because there was no indication that Minfilia was also from Ala Mhigo until this scene
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>>738960312
They were introduced to 1.X before highlanders actually had models
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>>738960312
there were no highlander models when they were introduced or somethig.
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I'm skipping 8.0 msq story. I regret not skipping 7.0
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>>738960312
There are lots of fair skinned sandniggers thoughbeit
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>>738960312
Ala Mhigans are literally tanned whites. Yda's dad is dark as fuck but still blonde, it's just because they do hard labor outside. Raubahn is the exception because he's implied to have Thavnairian ancestry. And Minfilia and Yda are from 1.0 before female Highlanders existed.
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>>738960038
I don't have much faith in this open zone rework shit desu. how do you effectively make max level (110) content in the 5 lower level (100-108) zones without cordoning the high level stuff off through flying, just like hunts? if they make world bosses it's just going to be hunts 2.0. I'd much rather they give us more bozja-likes rather than try and ape WoW and XI with open world stuff that is either going to be dead or grindy + unfun.
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The Lindwurm theme kinda fucking sucks
And it feels so fucking out of place too
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>>738960312
they were made before highlanders even existed
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>>738960535
You lost chud
We'll never let the opps win
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>>738960535
Tom Morello made it and gave it to the game royalty-free just because he liked it and they had to figure out where the fuck to put it
Song wasn't made for anything specific about the game and it shows, most people interpret it as a WoL character theme appropriate for the Arcadion but that means it has nothing to do with the Lindwurm
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>>738960535
NEVER LET THE OPPS WIN
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Nobody cares faggot
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>>738960358
>>738960364
I understand that but why no darker / tanned skin then? Literally every single Ala Mhigan refugee is dark. Minfilia stays inside a lot so I can see that, but Yda is constantly out and about, but she's somehow paler than Minfilia
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If they don't pull a final twist with Wuk actually be an ascian and having us kill her in 7.56 it'll be unironically over for this game with her shadow looming over us for the rest of its life.
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>>738960535
Song is a banger
you are a retard
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>>738960535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJrN3nys7f8
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>>738960535
I just don't care for that genre of song
Especially the vocals
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>>738960659
Yda works out of the Black Shroud. Also Minfilia's dad was just pale as fuck. Look up Warburton.
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Tom Morello is headlining Evercold
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>>738960312
Ala Mhigo is kind of meant to be Turkey with a dash of Scotland (though obviously not a direct 1:1 analogue because it was made when the lore made locations more distinct from the real world). Just like Turkey, there's a lot of ethnic natives with blonde hair and blue eyes, but also some swarthier, and even the fairer people tend to tan darkly. It's also just got some variance, especially because it's situated right at the land bridge connecting Eorzea to Ilsabard, which means it has a lot of travelers and trade and why it was strategically important for Garlemald to capture it.
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>>738960607
>>738960630
The smartest thing whoever sung The Mirror did was just mumble out modern English slang deep in the mix so people can't hear it. Can't bitch about something you can't hear right. Not only do they sing about an A-frame wave, meaning English alphabet exists in some form in S9, it's a mack A-frame, like a Mack truck. That one company has made it across realms, mad respect to them.
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>>738960535
it was also made by a commie
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>>738960038
They might keep nuts for all the cosmetic stuff and materia, and then also have "kill hunt targets" in the list of misc objectives you can do to fill your weekly power upgrade bar as the replacement for the upgrade items.
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>>738960854
The Mirror is my favorite song in the raid series, but I am heavily biased because I like pop punk
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>>738960869
I genuinely have no idea who Tom Morello is
Never heard of him before
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>>738960626
>they had to figure out where the fuck to put it
Never had a choice...
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>>738960626
What's funny is that's how Uematsu operated for 1.0. He was commissioned a bunch of songs, he pumped out a bunch of shit, and that's where all the classic 1.0 themes come from.
Sometimes it's more fun that way. I remember during alpha/beta of 2.0, Yoshi-P talking about he was working closely with Soken on how they wanted the new town themes to sound, which is why they're more thematically accurate.
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>>738960920
an anti-american communist
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>>738960854
>meaning English alphabet exists in some form
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>>738960869
Everyone involved in making Bulls on Parade can be gay and retarded, it's a worthwhile exchange.
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"opps" is more egregious to me because it's literal zoomslang
it's like having skibidi in a song
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>>738960920
Rage Against The Machine guitarist
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>>738961082
okay, I know that name.
But I never cared about them enough to learn the name of every band member. Not exactly my kind of music
anyway, not a fan of his XIV song
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>>738960997
But it's called an A-frame wave because it makes an A, like an English A. It wouldn't be called that with letters that don't make that shape. I don't particularly care all that much because I like all the Arcadion songs but they're full of terms and slang they otherwise shouldn't. You just have to suspend disbelief.
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>>738960312
Godbert is Ala Mhigan and white.
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>>738961081
you know "skibidi" just comes from scat music, right
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>>738961283
... fine
"rizz" or "bussin" then
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>>738961215
I just think of it like that's Alexandria's slang for that aspect of life.
Really it's just Koji having fun for most of em, I won't worry about it either. I just thought it was cool how every char had a theme. Huge shift from back in 2.0 using the same songs for all raids.
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>>738961081
>>738961361
>zoomslang
You can just call it niggerspeak
nigger worship in america has gone way too far
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>>738961418
We'll never have a star like Michael Jackson ever again so obviously we're not worshiping them enough instead
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>>738960535
A Hroth player having bad taste, who would have thunk. I do agree that it feels out of place though, especially compared to the other tracks in the raid series
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>>738961418
same difference
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>>738941978
3 minutes in you know his world conquering plans are retarded as fuck because it's on the level of anime team rocket saying they're gonna conquer the world with their ekans and koffing when enemies have liberal thermonuclear bombs ready to drop on their asses if they ever wish to.
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>>738941978
The lion of tural
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>>738961572
I disagree.
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>>738961710
>rectally violate zoraal ja so powerfully he dies and leaves his empire to his estranged son
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NEVER HAD A SKIBIDI
NEVER LET THE ÚNCS CAP
MY NERVES ARE NOT BUSSIN THE WORLD FINNA BE WATCHIN THIS CRINGE ARC UNFOLD
NO CAP WE'RE ENTERING THE MAIN EVENT RN AINT NO STOPPIN THIS SKIBIDI MOMENTUM
ONLY ONE SIGMA PATH FR
LET'S GET LITTY
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>>738961897
busssssin on GOD FR FR sheeeesh us zoomers spittin FAX
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>>738961897
thank you kate
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>>738961897
he do be fresh doeeee check dat fit boy
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>>738961897
>>738962273
>>738962462
How do people manage to type like this without wanting to immediately kill themselves? Even if it's ironic shitposting
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>>738961897
EVERYTHING BUSSES
GYATT IT UP LET'S FUCKING GO
GYATT IT UP LET'S FUCKING GO
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>>738960312
I miss her
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Another one to bump limit....
Where's the biased moderator work? Still looking for it...
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>>738961897
Soulful lyrics honestly
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>>738962853
Should we be amazed that after years, xiv threads are finally treated as they always should have been?
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>>738962853
He was fired 3~ weeks ago sis. Keep up.
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>>738962853
It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.
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>>738963160
I think you're in the wrong thread, my good Chud
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how the fuck does daichi hiroi still have a job. corporate bullying should be in play for just this occasion.
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>>738963283
I identify as chort now.
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>>738963672
SE isn't run like Blizzard albeit
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>>738963672
have you seen hiroi recently?
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>>738963672
The majority of DT's problems weren't his fault though. Its the woke consultants for demanding multiple rewrites and management for putting a mediocre writer like him in charge in the first place. Dude was set up to fail from the very start.
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>>738964073
well, he doesn't write a good story either
but yeah i dont think it was him who decided to make tural disney mexico where everyone leaves in piss and happiness and eats tacos
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>>738963672
He might legitimately be gone, they have always trotted out the writers and he's very much absent
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>>738938304
He's a kid
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>>738964073
>IT WAS SWEETBABY THAT MADE HIM WRITE A SHITTY STORY
His track record was fucking dire when they made him the lead for DT
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>>738964179
Unironically I think they all hated him. He's also the one who was always forced to tard wrangle Matsuno.
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>>738964073
reminder that ishikawa was "woke" too, but no one cared because she's a great writer. the only thing that actually matters is how good the writing is
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>>738964356
>a couple of SB and ShB patches
>sky pirate kino
>kinomonium
>6.2 tataru
>bard quests after ARR
>black mage quests after ARR
>dancer quests
>shadowbringers caster quests
none of this is bad
>palace of the dead
mediocre
>matsuno slave for ivalice and bozja
matsuno's fault

hIs TrAcK rEcOrD wAs DiRe
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>>738964356
Which is why I also blamed management in that same sentence. You can't put someone who's at their absolute best only ever made 6/10 shit in charge the product that makes 40% of your company's profit and then be surprised when it fails.
>>738964454
?
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>>738964517
sb and shb patches were dogshit.

magic rolequest, sky pirates were good though.
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>put a good writer in charge of story writing
>everyone likes the story and more people start playing your game
>replace her with someone who hasn't written a single beloved storyline
>everyone hates the story, people stop playing the game
why are japanese corporations so retarded?
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>>738964454
To even pretend a hardcore fujo like Ishikawa and what we got in DT are the same levels of woke is baffling ly disingenuous.
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>>738964356
>4.4
good
>5.5
alright
>sky pirates
fine
>pandaemonium
good
>tataru's grand endeavor
fine
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>>738964782
"woke" seems like an is/is-not affair and not a sliding scale
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do we need more characters like this
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>>738938304
WHERE MY NIGGA?
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Ishikawa is Dark Woke
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>>738964975
coombait? yes. thankfully they listened and are giving us an expasion of nothing but femras and hebes.
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>>738964782
i'd honestly argue that ishikawa's stories (especially shadowbringers) are more woke than dawntrail. she seems pretty critical of authority and the capitalist ruling class with how she wrote things like eulmore's hierarchy and profiting off the flood of light. meanwhile dawntrail seems unironically pro-colonialism with the scions going to the new world populated by retarded backwards baby killers who cant even grow crops on their own and fixing all their problems for them
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>>738964975
Not until they update her bogged face.
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>>738964975
>Nomura designs a character for FFXIV
>made her look like an absolute whore
What did he mean by this?
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>>738965135
"sex with shibuya street teens"
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>>738965135
more like makes her look like a drug addict
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>>738965101
Eulmore is literally a communist society. You have to surrender all property to the state to be distributed in order to live there. It's part of the analogue of Eulmore being a shitty copy of Amaurot.
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>>738965101
yeah but tacos and wuk has a trans va
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lalapedo
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>>738960535
Kneeling in honor of a based take
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not even the avatarfags hating everything burns can get me to like everything burns
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>>738955539
I was expecting kino but all I got was rubber bullets
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>>738965725
Same.
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>>738956207
>every expansion is mandated to have at least 1 zone that is pointless and will never be relevant again
Dawntrail made it an entire expansion!
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EVERYTHING TROONS
TIE THE NOOSE LET'S GO
TIE THE NOOSE LET'S GO
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>>738966029
xd
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>>738965954
>troon outside
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>>738967242
>look at anon
>troon inside
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>>738967537
just you lol
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