This is how you translate Japanese games!>CEDEC, a game developer conference in Japan, featured a lecture on Umamusume: Pretty Derby's English localization this year, complete with an English version of the slides.
>umautist
No one knows gyaru, chud!
-"Christmas", "date", and "master" are censored-Many romantic scenes are toned down-Helios' dialogues are butchered-"We think carefully" and leave a bunch of errors unfixed
kill all localizers
>>745377413>Gyaru=gen ZThese localizers are seriously retarded
yops get what they deserve
>>745377292It's fucked up how localizers of similar quality touch other company franchises and IP's
Just running the thread back huh?
>>745377292Are the other CEDEC presentations also public?
>>745378187I cant find any previous thread about this topic
>>745378470>>745352110
If you're not willing to learn the language you don't deserve to experience the original script.
>>745377413>To compensate for the people's lack of knowledge for gyaru culture, we'll just simply erase it for ghetto Gen Z speech.What the fuck is their problem? Is this how millennials see Gen Z?
Good.Learn japanese or FUCK OFF.
>>745377361Maybe it's supposed to be hard to understand in Japanese too, but I have no idea what the hell "I'm in the soup" supposed to mean.
Why would the japs even use translators, AI will shit out better translations than these trannies
>>>/trash/
>>745379012The slides explain that it's an old expression
>americans won't understand kansai>also there are southern-american horsesSo how do the Japanese translate the southern-american accents? checkmate
>>745377292Reminder they use literal MTL and don't even know japanese.
>>745378283Yes they are. They have a website and videos.
>>745379386They probably throw a lot of "YEEHAW, BUTTER MUH BISCUIT" shit in there.>>745380178Funny story. A while back I machine translated an episode of a JP show using google translate and deepl and some on-screen text recognition tools, as well as manually looking up Kanji. I don't know much if any JP, and it took me a while to translate everything since I had to re-feed the machines some text it kept screwing up, but the end result was surprisingly good. So good, when a "real" translation came out later, it was only slightly different in a few areas.
>>745380178>DeepLlmao!It's all jewish translation anyway
But how will they translate the current KFC collab?
How would YOU translate gyaruspeak then anonNote that Helios' gyaruspeak isn't even 2026 gyaruspeak but a form of 2015-2016 gyaruspeak that even most japanese would be unfamiliar with
>>745380906...if most japanese are unfamiliar with it why should westerners be?
>>745380906Trust on the intelligence of the player/reader/watcher and translate it as close to 1:1 as possible, including honorifics and pronouns.By treating the audience like mature adults and not toddlers you build a loyal following.
Sometimes I kinda feel bad that I just skip everything in this game. I just want to see numbers going up and don't give a shit about anything else/
>>745380993>>745381179I agree in principle, but I'm asking how the fuck are you going to translate it?I have issues with using Gen Z speak as well, so what's the alternative?
>>745381179>>745381279forgot to mention, what do you mean by "translate it as close to 1:1 as possible, including honorifics and pronouns."the meaning is easy enough to translate but the problem is how to translate the unique register she speaks in and all the jp meme lingo she uses
>>745380178Are you retarded? Literally everyone in this business uses or has used DeepL and its alternatives
>>745377413Japanese games and their localization is not targeted at nerds like it was in the 90s and 00s. This is the unfortunate reality of it becoming popular. Nerds were on the internet talking about games and anime and they learned what a gyaru was through cultural memes or TL notes (which no longer exist). It's true that most people don't know what a gyaru is, even the hoards of people now into "anime aesthetics" because it's cool. Gyaru aren't even in modern Japan any more than punk or scene girls are in the US. It was a culture/fashion of a moment in time that anime still uses because its creators don't want to accept the modern world any more than anyone else in the world does.
>>745381362>Literally everyone in this business doesn't know Japanese.We can tell.>>745381565>Japanese games and their localization is not targeted at nerds like it was in the 90s and 00s.It was never targeted at nerds, it was always plagued with westoids trying to pull a cultural imperialism.
>>745377292This slide is right at the end just so you know how proud they are of their work
FUCK OFF
>>745379012It's not, "Dousuriyaiindaa" is basically her saying "What should I do!?” like she is in a pinch and don't know exactly what to do, the original expression is just normal talk, it's not a slang of anything, the translation is retarded like the people who did it.
>>745377292yes, please teach the stupid japanese that all the horses are LGBTQ+ icons and men must be erased from the world
>>745381604It's funny you bring up Lunar because that was the game that really solidified my love for RPGs at the time. The serious moments were still serious, but yeah the shitty memes were not good. Luna's boat song was treated with respect and it became the basis of some early /f/lashes on 4chan.Truly it boggles the mind that those stupid jokes... I hear it was one specific guy that wanted to do that, but the rest of the team seemed committed to telling the story outside of the background characters.
>>745377470dyke or troon?
>>745381335umm post some of her dialogue for reference
>>745380906Even the valley girl speak was better than gen z lingo. Don't fucking try to shove in the whole set of gyaru speak into something totally different like zoomer speak.Or find the closest equivalent per term, I thought these localizers were failed linguists/writers? Should be easy for them to translate gyaru speak set into a new localized set instead of being lazy like this.
>>745377470LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>745377413>denpa slang -> gen z slang>gyaru slang -> gen z slang>otaku slang -> gen z slangI have the impression that the localizers only know gen z slang and are just too lazy to research anything else
>>745383283Nobody cares about valley girls and they aren't any closer to gyarus than 67 zoomers
>>74538419767!
>>745377470Dykelator-chama... I kneel...
>>745377470>it's a lgbt againAt this point I hope we elect someone even "worse" than Trump who will take all lgbt rights away and hopefully put them in a mental yard where these creature belong. You're a fag/troon? You aren't human.
>>745384530nah, i want trump to have a third term or at least have vance on the seat after trump gets luigi'd or impeachedi want amerimutts to ban all japanese products so their influence in japan stops overnight
>>745384597Nah, rather have someone who makes troons mass suicide.
>>745384668Banning japanese stuff overseas and japanese media going back to japanese pandering would in fact make troons mass suicide, starting with trannylators losing their jobs and offing themselves instead of finding real jobs (they won't find any).
Man I was bitching about this shit back in 2014.I'm tired boss.I already learned moonrunes.It's never EVER going to get better.
Man this shit sucks.
>>745384816why didn't you use your moonrune skills into becoming a translator to save japanese games, bro??
>>745384795Or we could make troons a mental illness again so they'd stop ruining western games.
Someone who actually knows Japanese, explain if this is a good translation or not.
>>745385449>Don't hate, let her cookNope its shit.
>>745385449The plain translation is tampered to make it more bland than the actual Japanese line
>>745385449It's retarded and I don't mind localization, but it's just too much. They should go with plain, but the troon in charge will ruin everything forever.
>>745385639How would you translate it instead?
>its always themsigh
>>745385639Tampered how? Explain it EOP's like me
>>745385449The plain translation doesn't convey how she's talking but it's still much better than whatever the fuck the bottom is, out of context memes and lingo never make a good translation.>>745385807Imagine using deepl to translate a country bumpkin to plain english and it spits out a formal sentence, you get the idea.
>>745385639Seems to be what I gathered as well when I put the original line through multiple AIs. The actual direct translation seems like it would be something more like "Turbo, you're really riding a great wave~! If that's how it is, then there's nothing left to do but make a 'Mega-PegasusRainbow Katsu Curry'!" The "Cygames Translation" is based on their "Plain Translation" which kinda just screams genuine language incompetence more than anything, even beyond the Gen Z-ification. I don't understand why they would simplify it so much.
>>745377413finna deadass ong type shi
>>745385792a tranny wrote that btw
>>745385989I don't know if I would translate 盛り as mega>Turbo, you're really riding a great wave~!This sounds incredibly awkward too
>>745377531the game has multiple types of gyaru. showa gyaru, heisei gyaru, reiwa gyaruhelios is reiwa gyaru, basically unintelligible babble. there's genuinely no way to translate it.
>>745386218Yeah because its more literal. This is what it gave as something more "localized": "Whoa Turbo, you're really on a roll~! There's only one thing to do now… make the 'Pega-Size Rainbow Katsu Curry'!" Pega playing on "Mega Size" and "Pegasus".
>>745385989>I don't understand why they would simplify it so much.straight up malice to prop up their fanficsleaks show westoids have been doing this since the 90s, and people like jello even even straight up bragged about how they are used to straight up lying about properly translating stuff when asked for vertical slices of the scripts to hide the trannyfication of the TLs
>>745379386>So how do the Japanese translate the southern-american accents?English phrases in katakana. ハウディー and shit
>>745385956>Imagine using deepl to translate a country bumpkin to plain english and it spits out a formal sentence, you get the idea.Wow, it's almost like it requires some form of... localization
>>745377470That is a 12-year old boy
new EOP ragebait just dropped, let's goooooo!
>>745386359>There's LITERALLY NO WAY to translate it AT ALL so just destroy and replace it with zoomerniggerspeakfuck off
>>745386579dunning kruger retard-sama
I'm usually a chill guy but whenever I see these official posts about Japanese translation in media, and how they outright admit they just make things up on the fly, I'm generally about to burst a blood vesselThis is the kind of shit that would be deemed unacceptable at any academic field and for any foreign language for the matter.
>>745377413gyaru should be 90s/00s valley girllike "legally blonde"
You golems barely even speak 英語, let alone 日本語, and you sure as fuck don't understand パリピ語
>>745385989>ターボいい波ノッてんね~!>こーなったら、『ペガ盛りレインボーカツカレー』 作るしか!>eng "plain translation">remove mention of who is presumably Twin Turbo>simplified the goofy gyaru wordplay and starKuso localizers...
>>745386806the character is explicitly not a 90s/00s valley girl though. there are other characters like that.
>ctrl+f yeppers>0 results found
>>745377312You know this slide alone proves how retarded the translators are. We live in an internationalised world where not everyone who speaks English knows everything about American culture, so a southern American accent would be just as foreign to them as a Japanese Kansai accent. The translations they make are made for a very specific audience, one that probably doesn't even play these games. Their theory works when you're translating for American kids, not for the kind of people that would play Umamusume.
>>745377413People who are even remotely interested in Japan know what a gyaru is and people who are interested in the game 100% know what a gyaru is.Basically, total localizer death is the best way forward.
>>745386894I genuinely have no idea what this post is trying to say. What the hell are you talking about?They make a good point. If one character is supposed to be from Texas and one character is supposed to be from Osaka, and both characters have others remark upon their unique way of speaking, giving them the same generic accent in English is a shit translation when they speak vastly different in Japanese.
>>745386894How would you translate Kansai dialect then?
>>745386463There is no problem in finding ways to convey a character in a different language and to do that skillfully you need an understanding of both languages and cultures, the problem is translators for a lot of Japanese games don't understand any of that and cover it up with total rewrites and defend it maliciously even as the game faces backlash and suffers losses for it.
guy who used to watch anime 20 years ago and can't read kana>gyarus are basically just valley girls right? and kansai-ben is cowboy talk, remember azumanga daioh? haha
GOLD SPICE
>>745379298It's REALLY old as far as slang goes. Did a check and it's mid-late 1800's with its origins unknown, Ive only seen it less than 5 times in my life, usually used in a nautical setting to say someone went overboard or in a military setting to describe the worst fighting.
>>745382095>I hear it was one specific guy that wanted to do thatIt's likely enough; seems like a problem that plagued quite a few companies back then.Tokyopop in particular was really well-known for it. Their translations weren't good in general, but there was one or two memers on-staff who just had obsessions that they could not fucking leave out of the work. Like the Ikkitousen manga and the editor's pee-stained-panties fetish.
>>745387006The fact they're saying kansai accent=southern american accent in the first place is the issue. Why does that have to be the standard? They're supposed to be translating for an English speaking audience, not for an American one.>>745387035I'm not a translator so I don't know, but I would avoid a connection with real existing things.
>>745379012>>745381902The character in question is from Iwate and speaks in a Tohoku dialect. Hopefully I shouldn't need to explain the implication.
>>745387354They speak like they did during the Meiji restoration in Iwate?
>>745387190it fits better than zoomer lingoif localizers were actually skillful they would use their deep understanding of both languages to make entirely new speaking mannerisms to cover the weird edge cases that don't translate cleanly instead of going hurr durr X=Y
>>745377413I have yet to meet a weeb who doesn't know what a gyaru is.
>>745377361Retarded. Just keep the top, it's not like we don't have ears to hear what the characters say. Even if there are unvoiced sections, your understanding from what IS voiced should carry over. Sucks for deaf people but it can't be helped.
>>745387496I think the idea is that most people don't know the slang terms that gyaru use, they just know what they look like
>>745387457>hurr durr X=YThis is the easiest way out so it shouldn't be surprising that in an industry of talentless hacks this is the standard solution.
>>745387580Gyarus have been translated to be like totes valley girls for longer than 4chan has been around. But I don't know if Helios uses newer gyaru language so it wouldn't work anymore or something.
>>745387457>it fits better than zoomer lingoit literally doesn't because she talks in zoomer gyaru paripi-go and other characters don't know what the fuck she's saying half the time.people hate memes so much that they can't admit it's an actually fitting translation. it's a fucking meme character. she's a young trendy idiot that uses inscrutable terms like ベッケンバウアー and フロリダる
>>745377292>>745377361>>745377413>>745377470>gacha gets global version>everything eventually becomes pozzedlmao
>>745387728>ベッケンバウアー>「ベッケンバウアー」とは、ドイツの伝説的なサッカー選手・監督であるフランツ・ベッケンバウアー(Franz Beckenbauer)の姓(人名)です。
When's the nuclear holocaust?
>>745387924Just when I finally understood クレメンス...
>ponies:|>ponies, japan:O
>>745387924えーMJK?! おっさんウケるー「ベッケンバウアー」は「別件がある」www
>>745388113And how would an EOP retard know that the original writing in JAPANESE, a language he doesn't speak was "mid?" Aside from the fact he's clearly a nigger.
>>745377470Arda Guler...
yeppers
>>745388113jesus christ
>>745387252The character is a country bumpkin that's supposed to use weird slang so it is an in character translation
>>745387728>>745387924>>745388041I don't play Uma and I don't know Japanese but even I get the joke here with Beckenbauer and I know what that MJK (ie maji ka) basically means "Seriously~?". But instead of proper translations that don't shit on the source, the original language, and its culture we get dogshit jewish globohomo localizations.
>>745388554thanks for your input, cletus
>>745388113What's crazy about this notion of "plain" is that the original dialogue is just regular talking, not every line needs a stupid joke or quip like a marvel movie. The end result of these localizations is that it projects an image of Japanese games being childish and silly when ironically they're more mature than AAA western games because they don't do marvel quips and treat their setting with sincerity.
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>>745388583You deserve to be skinned alive and regenerated in an infinite loop
>>745377292Now if only that effort wasn't put in for gachaslop that one day will eventually cease to exist and be made unplayable for everyone.
>Thirld worldies are crashing out because Cygames localization is aimed at a first-world audience instead of themStick to your Hoyo games, brown trash.
>>745389330There's no Christmas in your imaginary first world?
>>745389330the first worlder writing is getting """localized""" for the third world THOUGH???
thanks god I skip every lines I have not read a single line or watch a single races playing this game
>>745389369No. My father died in the War on Christmas.
Censorship sucks but localization is legitimately something you have to work on for culturual differences and you retards need to stop sperging about it.Yes, doing shit like removing holidays or toning down emotions is shit. Inserting narratives is shit.Making the gyaru, an archtype that screams loud retad spout gen z dialogue is pretty spot on for an adaptation right now.>it won't make sense laterNeither would implementing some slang reference to current japan where everyone would be equally confused.I get wanting the intent to be as pure as possible, but every time this discussion comes up, it feels like everyone demands the letter of the law and ignores the spirit of the law.Proceed to reply with how based you are for that, I guess.
>>745387273What else would an equivalent to "hick" be? You want the fucking irish in the booth?
>>745389640The thing is the lines they're supposed to translate in the powerpoint document aren't even accurate, regardless they're the "plain" or "localized" TLs.
>>745389640Why is every 'King' character is anime always one of the best characters in their shows?
>>745389886you can portray a rural person with "old fashioned" or "quaint" vocabulary without copying a specific accent or dialectgood fiction authors make up cultural and language mannerisms all the timelocalizers, being talentless wannabe writers, are unable to create
>>745380561>US4How are niggas getting this high
>>745377413Gyarus are ditsy cheerleaders
who fucking gives a shitcygames has always been terrible at translationhttps://shadowverse-portal.com/card/131611010?lang=entaking this card from old shadowverse as an example>私は悪魔なのに、助けてくれたの?優しいんだね!>ねえ……お兄ちゃんって呼んでも良い?えへへっ、ありがと。お兄ちゃんって、格好いいね! turned into>You saved me... even though I'm a devil-chan?>Oh, my, brimstone! That is sooo kakkoii! Wanna be my new onii-chan?
>>745390084I mean the most iconic old fashioned quaint english bit in culture is absolutely the antebellum american south.You could create an entirely new accent every single time you make a character but it's quick and easy for someone to hear an accent and go>ah okay they have these traitsoff the rip.It's the reason they have those accents in the original work.>>745389961I'd have to look at more of the comparisons but I didn't see anything particularly egregious compared to, like, >>745381604I won't defend their work specifically, I'm just tired of every thread about localization being a bunch of anons asking for the most stilted dialogue humanly possible that will fail to deliver the cadence of the original in the name of purity.>>745389968I rolled both the cheerleaders and I love them so.No matter how shit they are, especially King Halo.
>>745380178Not to defend trannylators, but real translators that work with legal stuff also use translation software like Deepl or Linguee.
>>745390178>that's an official translationWhat the shit?!
>>745389640>>745381215>>745390178https://mobumamusume.net/usalist/>one time USA get their own event>make most of the American this
>>745390416why are you lying?there's only like 1/5th that are niggers, which is still too many but not nearly as bad as you say
>>745390217I'm talking about the examples in >>745377361 and >>745385449 where both the 'plain' and 'cygames' TLs are not accurate, although the former is definitely less offensive than the latter. But I suspect the "plain" translation was maliciously done on purpose to make the viewers believe the Japanese text is "stilted" by default, since it's the favorite argument of English localizers to defend their job. Neither of the two types of translation shown in the powerpoint document would fly in an academic test I passed once (in an attempt to become a English teacher) because you're supposed to be faithful as much as possible.
y'all complain about TRANSlators but cheer for shit like Homura/Hikari, Ace Attorney, Danganronpa rewrites
>>745390732Those are much better names though, Yuzuriha sounds retarded
>>745390732>cheer for shit like Homura/Hikari, Ace Attorney, Danganronpa rewritesI don't do that though
>>745390732>but cheerNo I don'tdo not try to talk on my behalf, nigger
>>745390653You don't even need to know Jap to realise how disingenuous the plain translation is.The okay has way less personality than the hai, even the Cygay translation has less personality than it
Translators ruin everything from Japan
>>745390763I can understand prefering "happy holidays" to "merry christmas" as a general purpose greeting but fucking santa claus himself should say "merry christmas" not whatever this crap is
>>745390732I don't?
>>745377292Killing localizers isn't enough anyone who plays this trash needs to die as well.
>>745385198I tried. Unfortunately I had to get a real job to pay denbts.My fan translations are by far my greatest contribution to humanity in my entire life. Everything else has failed to measure up.
>>745389968Pro-monarchist propaganda>>745390217Her Cheerleader alt should work this CM, actually
>>745390882They didnt change it for any reason other than the mere mention of 'Christ'mas made that jew seethe.
why did this mindbreak tranimefags so much?
>>745387035I most likely wouldn't because, especially in Umamusume's case, you have an actual character from Kentucky that says southern things in Japanese. Combining them makes it extremely confusing. At best you just add 'ch' or 'cha' at the end of words. Kansai dialect isnt that much different aside from some very specific phrases.
>>745386413seething>>745389330kek it do be like that, fucking spics and brazilians
>>745389968They just are
>>745390178also not the first time they've translated gyaruspeak as zoomer slanghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8WBR72tEVI&t=2238spicrel was originally>わっかんないじゃん。>そんなの。https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jmKxgfk0O0&t=2483s
Personally I like Helios being a Zooma, her speech IS supposed to be near incomprehensible because she isn't just any gyaru, she is amekaji I believe, and zoomer slang does fit well with her high energy mannerismsYes, I know some anons can't handle cringe and are old, but that's how life is
>>745391305because it exposes how lazy they arethey supposedly care so much about based japanese culture that they demand accurate translations, but they can't be arsed to learn the language instead
>>745390763I'm seriously convinced the only people that get offended by Christmas are jews and they specifically infiltrated the localization sphere so they can force their jewish shit on people.
>>745391625why are japs going on about christmas anyway? they're fucking atheists or polytheist spiritualist typesalso take meds schizo
>>745390178They've always been shit at it, and I hate how they change character names just because they feel like it, from just completely throwing out names to replace them with others like the jewtenshoes, or even just changing Charlotte to Charlotta, any EN translation from that company is just an official fanfic.
>>745391520How are you still repeating this retardation?Nigger it doesn't matter if we know Japanese, these subhuman localizers and their masters still exist and spread their evil.
>>745391665Its basically second valentines day with KFC flavouring over there, its not a real holiday, that's new year later on
>>745391747>and their mastersWho? Cygames who looked through their localization and approved it?
>it's daaaa jooos who are trying to make media not require a PhD in being an autistic tranime addict who has posted on 4chan for decades , they're after us o algo, trying to ruin our cartoons
>>745391665>they're fucking atheists or polytheist spiritualist typesThey're Buddhists or traditional Shintoists, jew. There's more temples/shrines/religious buildings per square meter in Japan than anywhere in the world, and they're visited regularly. Thats not an atheist country, they just dont believe in a jewish storm god.
>>745391665They just like the celebration and feel to it. That's why they also marry in churches, they just like the vibes.
>>745391820take meds paco
>>745391871Gas yourself, jew.
>>745391882kek doesn't deny being a spic
>>745391803https://www.cyberagent.co.jp/en/ir/stock/shareholder/
>>745391305>>745391520>English localizers are bastards with no (or a very basic N4 ~ N5) knowledge in Japanese and who obviously hate the medium for being most often problematic>translations in other languages will generally stick to the official English TL as a source, regardless of the quality, as it's easier to find employees with a proficiency in English than Japanese.>>745391665>you need to be religious in order to greet Merry Christmas to others and spend a festive moment with your relatives or lover
>>745391903doesnt deny being a kike
>>745391747>spread their evil to subhuman lazy retards who don't know betterdo you go all bleeding heart fag for drug addicts or retards that buy feet pics from OF whores as well?
>>745391909Ah yes uhhh...tsk tsk tsk...Norway?
>>745391943NTA but>drug addictsI do think they should get help, yes>retards that buy feet pics from OF whoresNot really comparable, so if they aren't bankruping themselves I don't really care
>>745387035Heavy Brooklyn accent, matches the stereotypes way better than southern anyway.
Based tranime chuds deserve to be humiliated and have things they cherish taken from them
>>745377292Localizers changing Maruzensky's original nickname Supercar to Hot Rod just pisses me off because not only is that literally historical revisionism but Hot Rod does not fit Maruzensky at all, when she was considered a bleeding edge horse when she made her racing debut in Japan and nobody would ever describe a supercar such as the Lamborghini Countach as an America hot rod car. In fact, the strict definition of a traditional hot rod refers specifically to American cars built before 1948. Maruzensky was born in May 19, 1974, the same year the Lamborghini Countach LP400 model first rolled off the assembly line. Despite all this background information, localizers still insist on retconning Maruzensky's nickname to Hot Rod despite characters and Japanese dialogue in the game mentioning Maruzensky's Supercar nickname
>>745392003>JP Morgan Blackrock>The Master Trust Bank of Japan, LtdBlackrockBNY MellonBlackrock>Nomura Asset ManagementBlackrock
>>745392112take meds retard it's a shitty anime gambling game
>>745391909>>745392003>>745392121>>745391807Really makes you think
>>745377413>Gen-z are gyaru equivalentkek zoomies you gonna take that lying down?
>>745392130>goes on a thread about a game/topic he dislikes>continuously try to tell others to take medicationsprojection much?
>>745392130take your meds schizo
>>745392121>JP MorganBlackRock (6.66%)(heh)>The Master Trust Bank of Japan, LtdMitsubishi UFJ Trust and Banking Corporation (46.5%)Nippon Life Insurance Company (33.5%)Meiji Yasuda Life Insurance Company (10.0%)Norinchukin Trust & Banking Co. (10.0%)>Nomura Asset ManagementBlackrock isn't even listed lmao>>745392210>5%Whaow, if 5% is enough to command a company without issue I wonder what other 95% are doingYou moron
>>745386872Oh yeah? Well...take this!
>>745392210>5%Uhh vey, that's nothing. We at BlackRock don't even need to do anything,We'll just let the liberal retards in the government ruin Japan for us.
>>745387580Being fair gyaru is broken down into like 7-8 different subcategories and I think there's like 5 different variations based on era. Not changing that they should've done their homework better.
>>745392438I think every gyaruma represents a different version, and beyond original 4 we get Pandora, Ebayan and Espoir for are also gyarus
>>745392379Yeppers?
>>745392329>>745392402>The Master Trust Bank of Japan, Ltd>BNY MeltonPartners with Blackrock.>Nomura Asset ManagementSubsidiary of Nomura Holdings... which Blackrock has taken stake in.Wow that 5% is looking a lot different now. Funny how it it went from them having nothing to do with anything went to "uh actually it's just a little" even discounting everything that happens behind the scenes and out of sight. Boiling frog.>We'll just let the liberal retards in the government ruin Japan for us.IronyWho am I kidding you're either bots or a retards.
>>745392568I just don't think Blackrock is some insidious boogieman you believe it to beFrankly I consider such worldview to be childish
I'm sure Blackrock's tiny stake in Falcom had nothing to do with any of the changes in the TITS remake + localization either
>>745381707https://youtu.be/C3_-WUFal8cI'm still shocked at how loud were the cheers when she said Umamusume lol
Very poor damage control, merry christmas
>>745392003>Norwayhttps://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/16/norways-sovereign-wealth-fund-tells-firms-to-put-more-women-on-boards.html
>>745388113If we're posting twitter screencaps. People(Some of the posts are by the same guy) are pointing out multiple issues with the translation . This isn't some nebulous "localization vs translation". It's just sucks. It's just bad translation.
>>745392835Its august
>>745391708yeah the name changes are very stupid. they omit the name and simply call the horned big bad black boss monster from hell that puts demons in your deck "ruler of cocytus" when his actual name in japan is satan. fucking clowns.
>>745392868If you legitimize altering the translation, it is no surprise that translators will feel empowered to care less and use "localization" as an excuse.
>>745393107Generally the issue is not localization when it comes to these "translations". It's really a mix of poor reading comprehension, and not giving a fuck(with some occasional Japanese proficiency issues). Localization is not supposed to be an excuse to alter the translation, it's supposed to be a tool to communicate the meaning of the source text.
>>745377292Why am i not surprised a woman is in charge...
Is it true localizers changed Special Week's Supreme Commander nickname to Ruler? If so, that is outrageous because it appears the localizers don't know the difference between a commander and a ruler
>>745390802YeahFuck ninas
>>745393191Dunno, can't be arsed to read main story, I just don't care for the Spechud
>>745388554Okay, how would you translate it?
>>745393341>Situation so bad we need to crowdsource the translationThis is has actually happened
>>745393191These localizers don't know how close they are to pissing off Japanese horse racing fans considering they dare to retcon Special Week's nickname to essentially Emperor of Japan. You think shogun rather than emperor would been their first choice considering shoguns had the authority to summon and gather all military forces in Japan but then these localizers just went ahead to falsely portray Special Week as Japanese royalty.
>>745385704"You're on fire"I don't entirely object to using that particular meme, but it suggests the good idea is yet to happen, contrary to what seems to be being said. It's also not something I'd expect to hear from a fashionable girl, but rather from a loser boy
>>745388113>>745388812Whenever localization defenders and localizers critcize the original writers and original writing. Always be skeptical. Metal Gear Solid 2 had an infamous localizer who did a hateful interview with HardcoreGaming101 where she sperged about Kojima. For a related blog, she proudly leaked her original localization prior to being tard wrangled by Konami. Therefore, we can see what she considers good writing. See image attached.Note: the blue "literal translation" is a strawman of faithful translations. However, even with that, Agness Kaku's pre-tardwrangled localization is obviously awful and arguably vandalism.Funnily enough, the same HardcoreGaming101 interviewer hired her because he believed her bullshit. Afterwards, John Szczepaniak quickly realized she's incompetent, unprofessional, and vindictive. Once fired, she became increasingly deranged. Agness Kaku sued him three times and lost.https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1748556728/the-untold-history-of-japanese-game-developers/posts/1628237I recommend reading the 30 May 2014 Kickstarter update by Szczepaniak regarding Agness Kaku. She's very deranged.
>>745386218It's SUPPOSED to sound awkward though. It's all disconnected hyperlatives. Like if you'd hop a 5-year old up on sugar until they race across the room, and then you listen to them rattling off a story. That's actually the correct tone and voice to reach for. Not fucking Gen-Z -isms.
>>745393606 (me)Agness Kaku also leaked all localization files related to her work at Intac for Konami and Metal Gear Solid 2. The files included Konami's tard wrangling. See image attached.Thankfully, she was tard wrangled. The tard wrangling was established after Metal Gear Solid 1 Integral (Japanese release of MGS1's English dub) because Kojima disliked learning about all the specific changes Jeremey Blaustein's localization made when retranslating the English dub into Japanese subtitles. Many years later, Jeremy Blaustein became the cofounder of the infamous Dragonbaby. If you know about that localization company's recent controversy with YunYun Syndrome (https://steamcommunity.com/app/2914150/discussions/0/805723552519171798/#c805723552519172860), then you'll know Kojima was right about Blaustein. It's also worth mentioning that Blaustein had oversight from Konami's Scott A. Dolph and Satoshi Hirano. Without those two, his Metal Gear Solid 1 localization would've been as unfaithful as his prior localization of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.In general, localizers claim there's an unpoken nuance between the source language and the target language. They want the public to think that they are the only ones capable of deciphering it. They aim to establish themselves as a unquestionable authority to avoid being held to any serious standards. These people are professional liars. After all, they lie about authors' words. Localizers just want to protect their own freedom to graffiti someone else's work, and they want the credit for doing so. The following article regarding the Funimation localizer for Dragon Maid's dub is an excellent example of this:https://boundingintocomics.com/anime/former-funimation-script-writer-jamie-marchi-doubles-down-on-her-infamous-anti-patriarchy-localization-of-miss-kobayashis-dragon-maid-this-is-what-happens-when-a-script-is-dubbed-into-a-diffe
>>745393606John Szczepaniak didn't hire Agness'. I believe he hired Agness' sister and 2 other interpreters. They were recommended to him by Agness though. One of the interpreters was decent but the others sucked.
>>745377361>character says "kyaaa">translation: "Oh goodness gracious, by the queen!"
>>745393606Blue is much better. Humility is a virtue.
>>745393606Was Kojima the only nip to ever care about the english version of his games?Lots of the trannylators who worked on metal gear openly hate him and even David Hayter got into fights with him.Every other nip company, simply hires the cheapest retards that show up and let's them do whatever the fuck they want.
>>745388113If Japanese is so plain and boring why bother learning let alone translating Japanese? These troons are a walking contradiction. They like Japan but hate everything to do with Japan from its culture to even the language.
>>745394078They like the idea of Japan but not what it actually is, the concerning thing is that they try to change Japanese things to fit their vision rather than find something else.
>>745377470Ah yes the typical Lesbian prebuperty boy look.
>>745394078They believe their job is to "improve the original".
>>745394078Nigger all these people do is latch on to nice things and corrupt them, I don't even think they do it on purpose, it's in their nature
>>745393606 (me)>>745393687 (me)I forgot to attach the image to my second post.>>745393752You're right. He hired her sister, and it says so in the first kickstarter update.21 November 2013>My coordinator Hanako Abe / 安倍華子 (maiden name Hanako Kaku) failed to live up to her part of our agreement, was excruciatingly intolerable, made thinly-veiled threats, and demanded advance payment for services she later failed to provide and sabotaged.>Prior to Agness putting me in touch with Hanako to act as coordinator, I was securing freelance interpreters.It was within the working relationship between John Szczepaniak and Agness Kaku that he learned she was incompetent, unprofessional, and vindictive.30 May 2014>Hanako Kaku and Agness Kaku have data-mined the comment sections, using people's real names and personal details to intimidate them through LinkedIn, sending messages threatening to drag the backers into alleged legal proceedings.>Agness has gone to great lengths to paint herself as the victim, accusing me of sexism and ending her career as a writer in games. She had no career at Square-Enix. The company's head of PR, David Yang, officially confirmed Agness was not an employee, just a contract worker doing part of the text translation.>Furthermore, Agness keeps claiming that I ruined her reputation. And yet in an email dated 3 June 2013, Agness openly admits to having a bad reputation in the Japanese games industry and warned me that she might ruin my campaign due to her bad reputation.A former coworker of Agness said...>My initial “learning experience” with Agness primarily consisted of pretentious and incessant babble about how she is “One of the best in the (localization) business.” and about how her close friends are established professional localizers. She always talked to me like I was a simpleton and never with me; only at me. Hell, she even corrected my speech mid-sentence.
>>745379012>but I have no idea what the hell "I'm in the soup" supposed to mean.
>>745377413>gyarus are dumb as bricks>genz are dumb as bricksWell, they're not wrong.
>>745393687>Many years later, Jeremy Blaustein became the cofounder of the infamous Dragonbaby. If you know about that localization company's recent controversy with YunYun Syndrome (https://steamcommunity.com/app/2914150/discussions/0/805723552519171798/#c805723552519172860), then you'll know Kojima was right about Blaustein. It's also worth mentioning that Blaustein had oversight from Konami's Scott A. Dolph and Satoshi Hirano. Without those two, his Metal Gear Solid 1 localization would've been as unfaithful as his prior localization of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.Even with oversight Blaustein bragged about plainly not understanding the point of the dialogue he was changing at all.
>>745390763......Why change Christmas to "Hollidays"?This is not even localization, this is just anti-Christian seething.
>>745393597>"You're on fire"Or: "you're on a roll," as the original is about riding the crest of a wave and the implication is to keep it going. Which is captured by "you're on a roll," but not by "you're on fire.""Turbo's on a roll! Keep the momentum! Now we really gotta make, like, Pegasus Rainbow Katsu Curry Deluxe!"
>>745394367AI will probably improve translations
>>745389640You really don't. Anyone following or watching anime should understand Japanese culture after like 3 years of watching and learn about the other culture. I started watching anime when I was like 8 on German TV. I'm Croatian with it I learned the German language by 15. Just from watching TV. Shit like Anime, Stargate, Star Trek, Mcgyver, Stefan Rab and so on...Then I moved to English and watched Japanese with subtitles. It wasn't 3~4 series in that I understood the hierarchy of -san -chan -kun -sama that older men could call girls -kun and so on... It didn't take long for me notice the different ways of saying things by goofy characters versus serious ones. >>745381902Dousuriyaiindaa isn't something a grown man would say unless it's in a comedic I'm in a dai pinchi sense. It didn't take long to leanr this by simply being exposed to a few Japanese movies and anime and learning what Real Japanese is like. Instead of locazing we should return to the good old TL;Notes of old where people teach culture and how to stuff works. I don't care if the normies who use dubs don't play I don't want them to play it anyway.
>>745394370It really is especially since Christmas is Valentine v2 like event in Japanese culture and has nothing to do with Christianity.
>>745390178>cygames has always been terrible at translationThis.Pic related is a case where they misunderstood who Zeta was talking to and made up dialogue with that assumption in mind which then makes no sense when it shows up in-game as a non-sequitur.
if there's ever a Purge I'm heading over to trannylator HQ at cygamesat least the cancer got me to both stop playing gbf and help spur on nip study
>>745381902It's not 'normal talk' - it's heavily embellished for use in comedic situations or to be used ironically, and its other use is to hit home on the helpless-damsel archetype. It's the last one here and it's an internal thought:> "O-okay.. !!"> (Oh no-- How am I going to get myself out of this mess ?!)
>>745388113These are the kind of people that watch Youtube Shorts unironically.
>>745393606the books she lists as reading are the most conventional normie slop, its an immediate redflag that the person has zero philosophical sense.
>>745385449They need to start to make an international english version that no americans have touched. They can keep their fat retarded shit to themselves.
>>745388113I want the "mid text of the original author", thanks. Not the "improved version" of some Americam SJW.
>>745394025>Was Kojima the only nip to ever care about the english version of his games?The only reason he cared was when he was planning on releasing MGS Integral (ENG dub, Japanese subs), he thought it would take over a week to check everything and then release. Then he found that Jeremy made so many changes that Integral took 6 months to release and after MGS2 he hired someone that would only do 1:1 translation and kept working with him.
>>745394647Yeah I still remember shit like Vampy Vania. They always sucked.And hilarious how people are acting like it's trannylators making the games pozzed. Cygays games were always full of this shit, even more than Mihomo.
>1990s: wow these translations are terrible, you should learn japanese>nah things will get better>2000s: wow these translations are terrible, you should learn japanese>nah things will get better>2010s: wow these translations are terrible, you should learn japanese>nah things will get better>2020s: wow these translations are terrible, you should learn japanese>nah things will get betteryou chose your destiny
>>745394929Nah, now it's>2020s: wow these translations are terrible, you should learn Japanese>nah, AI will replace them
>>745394929No one knew that the late 2010s and 2020s would result in trannies intentionally sabotaging everything and being extremely neurotic. 2000s had some bullshit but was still infinitely better than every other period.
>>745394367Blaustein was a hack, but he was generally right when it came to MGS1. The absolute SLOP that came after him proves that, his rewrites lead to Konami and Kojimbo clamping down hard and created hideously wooden translations. TTS had some absolute dogshit lines like "when death is entreated, the battle is decided" (and because only the cutscene dialogue was retranslated, they fucked up that it was a callback to an earlier Miller codec (although Blaustein missed this too and it's only in the original Japanese, so in English there are FOUR different translations for this line)).The dude still claimed he invented the HALO jump and he completely raped SOTN, so even ignoring Dragonbaby, he's retarded.
>>745394929Anyone watching anime long enough can just hear when something is obviously mistranslated. The only issue is slop without voices I guess.And no I'm not going to learn incredibly archaic and complicated writing system to have slightly better translation.
>>745394929>>745391747Also you really thought you could throw in those previous decades as if the situation is even remotely comparable
>>745394929ゲームと漫画のために日本語もう勉強したし、余裕で対策済みなんだがだからお前の言うこと聞いたわ
>>745394929If a translation is to exist at all, it should be authentic and accurate.>>745395008If you're going talk shit about MGS's writing in Japanese, you should atleast post examples of Japanese writing.
>>745394986It wasn't, you were just young enough to not care. Translation work has always been awful.>>745395031It was far, far worse in the 80s. You had massive cuts in movies, shit like fucking Robotech where they just stuck a bunch of unrelated shows together to make something long enough to hit syndication, amazing fun changes like making a chest into a gold vortex and requiring you to equip gasmasks because a party member starts farting when you teleport, but hey, according to you it's all good as long as there's no troons!
>>745394929Translations were actually getting better for a while in the early 2010s, along with there being less censorship. Then everything suddenly reversed course and things are as bad now as they were in the 90s.
>>745389330How did World Flipper treat you, "first worlder"?
>>745394929You can already use extentions to translate manga and hentai automatically though the translations are pretty shit. A couple more years and troonlators will be a problem of the past
>>745395139Funny as fuck that the same guy responsible for this is the one who fucked Uma Musume
>>745395079>If you're going talk shit about MGS's writing in Japanese,Where the fuck did I do that? Blaustein was right when it came to LOCALISATION. Konami and Kojimbo got it completely wrong for a dozen games afterwards, MGS1 is the only MGS title where you can make an argument for the English version. The accents are fun, the changes add some awkwardness like Raven not reacting at all to the "muk-tuk" jab but they're generally at least entertaining. The rest of the series was massacred.
>>745395103>It wasn't, you were just young enough to not care.So true xister.
>>745395187>The accents are funMei Ling having a stereotypical Chinese accent also contradicts her upbringing.
>>745395187>MGS1 is the only MGS title where you can make an argument for the English versionHi Jeremy, still seething that you are only working on small and menhara indie games?
>>745395103>>745391747>>745395131
>>745395187Yeah I didn't read past the slop part. Just assumed it was another Japanese bad. I don't think Jermy localized as much as he claimed too. You think back to MGS1 being a little unique in terms of Snake being a parrot and that's the "literal" translation boogyman translators cry about. In Japanese it's more common to repeat back what was said. When you wouldn't in english. Translators always claim they did all this work when in reality they phoned in most of dialogue and whatever they couldn't bullshit they just did a basic gloss that still misses a lot.
>>745395141They're actually really good if you give them context. Like you can use gemini/claude and google lens to OCR to basically translate manga 1:1 with very little lost in translation. I'm saying this as someone who speaks Japanese.And honestly I'm shocked how few people do this. Most retards on say manga dex just use google lens and go page by page. Or OCR and then use google translate or DeepL. If they just copy pasted the OCRed Japanese text and added a few prompt lines explaining the scene the AI does a ridiculously good job. It will explain everything from onomatopoeia to slangs and it even understands a lot of the context since it's also trained in Japanese on LNs and WNs and so on. So it knows all the weird kanji writing for skills or concepts that have been used before and translated correctly.
>Now that I have learned japanese, I can finally experience umamusume as intended>Only the english version of the game is available on steam and you need to fuck with vpn and a separate launcher/another steam account to get the japanese one
>>745395247Who cares? It's cute. The accents only started causing actual problems with MGS2, which is why they were excised from that point on. >>745395372Blaustein did a lot of work. Snake in MGS1 is nowhere near as much of a parrot as Raiden is in MGS2, Blaustein changed a lot of lines but when 90% of Snake's dialogue is repeating the last word back to someone, there's only so much you can do.Did he rewrite the whole game? Obviously not. But he did a much better job than all the other teams, because those teams were under much stricter instructions to be literal with their interpretations, which lead to all the other MGS games having fucking dogshit translation work.>>745395479If you're too stupid for a VPN, you're too stupid for a second language anyway. Just play on your phone.
??? How are AI translations not ALREADY good enough to obliterate localizers?Despite all the hysteria about AI taking everyone's jobs, one of the jobs that should have disappeared first still exists.Weird, why is that?
>>745391747It's a bad faith argument that defends the status quo and pushes responsibility back onto you to avoid it, it completely disregards the influence awful localizations can have which can affect the future of the series.
>>745395503> too stupid for a VPNshut your ass nigger I just want the game on my main account
>>745395019>to have slightly better translation.More like to have the original script instead of a low effort abridged parody/
>>745395503>Who cares? Average localizer tranny supporter, everyone.
if you actually play this shit instead of gooning to the horsegirls you've already lost
>>745395479>he thinks steam actually has JP text versions of gameseven people in japan bitch about thisyour only option is either DLsite or the nintendo jp eshop
>>745395503>which lead to all the other MGS games having fucking dogshit translation work.post examples or fuck off, jeremy.
>>745395543>nooo I need everyone to see the gachaslop I'm playing on steam!!!God, zoomers are done for.>>745395559Meanwhile you'll never see anyone complain that Olga has a Russian accent. Even though that completely ruins MGS2. Mei Ling having an accent has no actual impact on the game.
>>745395585what were they thinking
>>745387035jamaican venacular righteous me bredda
>>745394625It's like this everywhere else too. Christmas is pretty much just an American holiday like 4th of July. It's not foreign and unique to Japan for people to treat Christmas as the American day with the red-dressed Santa Claus and his elves who make presents.The point of Happy Holidays was to be inclusive with ease. When you can't exactly ask everytime what people are celebrating in December, Happy Holidays can be used. However, when characters are celebrating a specific day where they talk about Santa and presents, that can only be Christmas. They even call it Christmas. And the Christmas they are refering to is the American Christmas, which was culturally exported to Japan.>>745395008I'm skeptical on the Twin Snakes being retranslated with the intent to be more accurate. It kept Jermey Blaustein's line where Liquid claimed Big Boss was in a coma when he was cloned. That is a line in a cutscene. The rerecording process for the Twin Snakes allowed them to change lines. Are we sure they didn't just simply change the lines because they could?
>>745384530>Wanting to rush your country into even more ignorance, corruption and burning the world to own the libs.Sasuga chud.The world will turn into Mad Max before you are satisfied. We are almost there desu.
>>745395374Yeah with a bit of effort you can make it good but people like to take the lazy option and in a few years even the lazy option will be good enough.
>hates localization>still does not want to learn japanesethis is all but your fault
>>745395727>>745391747
>>745395585it's because cheap ass japs dont want to re-licence japanese script for overseas pc releases. it's what happened with mary skelter nightmares on steam as well.
>>745395727>>745395535
>>745395641>post examples or fuck offYou've never seen the Agness tanker script draft?>>745395679TTS was being made during the production of MGS3, isn't that kind of shit expanded on in MGS4? Kojimbo probably hadn't rewritten it yet. They didn't even change Dr Clark into being a woman, and that should've been decided by the time they were doing the voice work.I think only certain lines bothered Kojima, I haven't been over the whole cutscene script with a fine tooth comb. Most lines were left as is, just key lines were changed to be "closer" to the original. None of the changes made were changes a native English speaker would make, because they purely make the lines crappier.
>>745377292I used to screenshot every grammar error I found in each gacha game I played, sort them by folders and send them to the global team to get the translations fixed, but they never did. Now I just skip the story entirely. The translations change the original meaning so much that it completely breaks my immersion, so I just treat it like its own thing.
>>745395529>??? How are AI translations not ALREADY good enough to obliterate localizers?Imagine there's a hospital where there's a 90% mortality rate even for benign ailments. And people want to replace the staff with robots who will drop the rate to 50%. The problem, The only people going to the hospital in the first place are lunatics and to normal people, even the improved mortality rate still looks really bad. So the people using the hospital don't want improvement because they're "satisfied", and the improvement isn't big enough to bring in anyone sane. The only chance of robots taking over is the hospital wanting to cut costs and even then, they'll still retain some of the old staff who are going to continue their killing spree.
>>745395814>Agness tanker script draftEveryone knows she messed up but Jeremy is on the same level which confuses me as to why you keep defending that hack. Remind me of the retards that love to worship Alexander O Smith on everything he touches.
eternal reminder that (((localizers))) and trannylators deserve to have their limbs slowly chopped off one by one with a butter knife followed by a bath in boiling nitric acid
>>745395529Japanese usually doesn't use “you,” “he,” or “she,” and even “I” is often omitted from sentences. If an AI isn't given enough context, especially from an image, it has to guess whether the speaker means “I,” “he,” “she,” etc. That's why MTL translations can often mix up genders and even who is actually being referred to.
>>745395931And what if you explain the scene to it? It is ridicilous good if you do that btw.
>Blaustein was right when it came to LOCALISATION.
>>745390648He is not lying intentionally. He is just unaware he is spreading disinfo. He probably don't even play Uma and is unaware what mob uma are
>>745395917Blaustein has been wrong on everything else he touched as far as I'm aware, I just don't hate his work on MGS1. VS was fucking atrocious, anyone defending O Smith is beyond retarded.It's fine to argue that Blaustein's changes directly LEAD to how dogshit the rest of the MGS translations were because they pissed off Kojimbo, but as a product, MGS1 is a reasonably fun experience in English, and everything after is only good DESPITE the translation work. MGS1 is the only one where you can argue that it's transformative. Is it as good as MGS1 in Japanese? Obviously not. But the rest of the series isn't worth playing in English, while I occasionally have the desire to replay MGS1 in English.
Cygame's translations have always been garbage, and translators have been taking liberties since GBF back in 2015. Anyone who played Relink can tell you that what the characters are saying in japanese and what you're reading in the subtitles are different.
roundhouse kick localizers
>>745396043I want to say I'm surpitesed he can feel shame but I don't think he actually feels shame. He just knows he can't possibly defend that shit and is just picking the "correct response".
>>745396043> I just don't hate his work on MGS1
>>745377413fuck this
>>745396043>>745396163>He just knows he can't possibly defend that shit and is just picking the "correct response".This is something even his worshipers like that one anon ITT can't do, so props to him I guess.
Literally just fucking learn japanese. It's super comfy to read things in japanese
>>745395224based localisers adding anti-miscegnation truthnukes
>>745396258People who don't speak Japanese deserve to have authentic and accurate translations too.
>>745396043>>745396181Oh look, Blaustein making shit up again. The line was in the original script.This is what I mean, why are you listening to a guy who claimed to invent the fucking HALO jump? He has delusions of grandeur.
>>745395224no way this is real lol. there has to be another text box switched around
>>745396023>And what if you explain the scene to it?Then you're still paying a localiser to oversee and edit the machine's output and that's where the problem comes in.Also it's been made clear several times that not only will AI translations hallucinate and completely make shit up, they're also programmed to make the same kind of text alterations that localisers already do.
>>745396313Assuming any of the EOPs here can even read katakana.
>>745389330>typical localization thread>le hoyo kvetching out of nowhere Well that was random...
>>745396043I'm confused. スーパーベイビー法 is in the original script. What did the deleted poster say?
>>745396339>no way this is real lol. there has to be another text box switched aroundhttps://www.twitch.tv/demolition_d/clip/RefinedSuspiciousCattlePhilosoraptor-VHdzaVrwbUe_r7mc
>>745396258what's a good software to quickly capture or translate japanese text from images?I already know very basic grammar, but looking up kanjis/ new vocab constantly is really annyoing.
>>745395727>learn Japanese>Japanese games are getting fucked in Japanese by localiser input anyway
>>745396043>>745396313>Jeremy is ashamed to leave the ORIGINAL line inLook I liked MGS1 when I played it but the more I see Jeremy's quotes and his justification the more I want to disassociate myself from liking MGS1.
>>745392003>>745392867Norway government also funded Dustborn. Why are they like this?
>>745396539It's possible for a guy to do alright work on a game and also be a complete fucking gibbering moron. The accents are fun, and despite his retardation he couldn't have known that they'd fuck up MGS2.
>>745396539The deleted post must've had something else because he whatever he's talking about is something he "wrote". Unless he's just completely delusional and can't distinguish to Japanese from his rewrites.
>another culture war slop thread hits bump limit while regular uma threads get deleted instantlyJannies have completely destroyed this board with their retarded faggotry.
>>745388539That would only be true if she herself were using weird slang.
>>745396603>Unless he's just completely delusional and can't distinguish to Japanese from his rewrites.I keep bringing up the fact he thinks he invented the HALO jump, he not only thought he had the idea for it, but it was in MGS3, a full 2 games after he got fired. Maybe he was referring to another line, but it's quite possible he thinks that "super baby method" is an inside joke to a line that doesn't exist in a movie he hasn't watched.
>>745390101Just train your horses. You'll get up there.
>>745396802I think this is the scene>https://youtu.be/x3XkdsVfINkIt would be really funny if he was that off his rocker, but that's impossible. It'd be beyond the pale.
>>745377413If you're playing Umamusume or watching anime, odds are you're already know what a gyaru is, and if you don't, we'll god forbid you learn a new word
>>745377413kill me, death please.
>>745396990I assume it's the "you're pretty good" line, then. OG in MGS1 was いいセンスだ.
>>745377413the localization is horrible but genz for gyaru is a perfect fit
>>745392868This guy doesn't know Japanese, seeing as he just blindly nodded his head to a mistranslation of いい波のってんね
>>745392210Bodied those tranny freaks.
>>745377361>Hiiiiii~~ (Whatttt am I supposed to dooo)my translation of what i read
>>745396734translation quality issues is culture war?
>>745396313Woah. You noticed this too. I knew スーパーベイビー法 was in the original script because I researched the line where Liquid stated Big Boss was in a coma when cloned. TheSnakeSoup (https://thesnakesoup.org/myth-articles/myth-big-boss-was-in-a-coma-when-he-was-cloned/) covered this. Because Liquid mentions the Super Baby Method first, I knew the line Solid Snake must have readback that.I think Jermey Blaustein is complaining that he left the line as-is without vandalism. Then, the deleted poster showed Jermey a different line. Then, he responded by bragging that it was his graffiti which referenced media he likes.Metal Gear Solid 1's translation was definitely saved from further vandalism by Konami's Scott A. Dolph and Satoshi Hirano. Localizers like Jeremy Blaustein are very intentional about all their decisions. Their effort can create good prose; however, they produce shit and graffiti without the required tardwrangling.P.S.Since you know Japanese, can you translate Liquid's line for me. I'm learning Japanese and I'm skeptical about TheSnakeSoup's transcription and translation. Their transcript adds punctuation where the Japanese subtitles didn't have them. However, this could be because the voice itself has punctuation while the subtiltes don't. The bigger problem is their final translation doesn't reflect the punctuation they added.Taken from the subtitles, here's Liquid's lines:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avv8tShjGgI&t=185355:08:55>だが親父は戦場で負傷 既に不能者だった>だから俺達は親父の体細胞を使って造られた>前世紀のアナログクローン技術とスーパーベイビー法によって
>>745397197>From 1992 to 1993, just after the Japanese bubble burst, high school girls with short skirts, loose socks, and wearing uniforms appeared, which began to attract attention from the mass media. This pivotal movement marked the definitive rise of modern Gyaru lifestyle trends across Tokyo's youth districts.>1992 to 1993>>745397235He knows Japanese. He's the guy that streamed VC1 and 4. Different people find different translation errors more offensive or more needing of explanation
>>745394370Its literally because a jew is the localization manager. Isolate the 50 jewish localizing companies and all bad translations will cease.
>>745397357>Jermey Blaustein is complaining that he left the line as-is without vandalism>That line by me was because it was an inside joke like so many of my lines areHe's either talking about a different line(there's a deleted post) or he's delusion. Most likely the former.
>>745389110What effort? They're basically going by vibe rather than the meaning of the words.
>>745380178Ummm bros I was told that AI will make trannylations obsolete??
>>745397357Huh, I never noticed it before. Yeah, the coma part is just a misinterpretation of 不能者. The translation on that page is accurate.>>745397443I already stated it's most likely >>745397187 in the deleted post. It's an obvious change.
>>745396752If noone understands the slang than it isn't better than looney talk
>>745397514translation jobs are 70% "babysit the ai" now, but the babysitters are still the same agenda injectorsunironically nothing will change outside of maybe dlsite porn devs adding their own mtls
>>745397443Yeah. Specifically, Solid Snake's line "Super Baby Method?" was faithful to the original. That readback by Solid Snake was left as-is, but Jeremy Blaustein wanted to change it. However, it's notable that he butchered Liquid's dialog which brought up the Super Baby Method in the first place.Anyway, the deleted poster that Jeremy was responding to 100% brought up a different line that nobody in this thread knows about. However, we know it was a reference to a movie and Jermey bragged that many lines were localized to be vandalized with his personal references.
>>745377413this is literally just excuses for their own ignorance
>>745397608I'm pretty sure that's closer to dialect than slang.>はい but there's a ひ>すれば becomes そりゃSimilar thing happens with それは becoming そりゃ. It's just pronunciation.
Super unpopular take:transwoke "localizers" are still 800% better than a fan translation made by a 17 year old indian kid who understands neither japanese or english enough to understand 1/10th of the social context of either.>bonus pointsThe shitty translator kid is so high on his own farts you'll never convince him it's 100% grade F dogshit
I really don't see a point to localization. Just translate the foreign language and let the viewer/player figure out its meaning. It's part of discovering new cultures by yourself.
>>745397825Sure, but something 8x tastier than dogshit is still something I don't want to eat.
>>745397187>snake always told them he liked their stylewe were robbed and force fed some boomer ass reference
>>745397884Yeah, MGS is kind of spoiled as a series when you find out that Ocelot was just jealous of the sneaking suit drip and Big Boss was just jealous of the GRU uniform though.
>>745397831Localization is required. For every explanatory dialogue that's a simple "The river was used by fishermen before the bandits took over." there is a deeply culturally specific phrase that would directly translate into total nonsense, like "The horse's wind past autumn, peasant strife." or some other nonsense.>>745397867hey, agreed I hate all of this
>>745397825Pic related is a 0% F. A zero is a zero, who the fuck is going to pretend one is better than the other.
>>745398026Ain't happenin', Buddy!
>>745397947>無い袖は振れぬ>I'm broke, nigga
>>745397825>fan translation made by a 17 year old indian kidName 3
>>745394505You listed a ton of things I would also keep in with editor's notes.But at the same point, people will be out here telling you obaa-chan and ojii-san have such cultural difference from grandma and grandpa and I refuse to take them seriously.>oh but it can also refer to someone who's simply oldThat's a bit of the actual cultural difference bleeding in, but yeah.It doesn't need totally redone but literally every sentence has to get checked by sheer virtue of the sentence structure being inverted, which leads to some horribly cringe dub stuff people mock but it's literally how it is.>this plot element... it has to be the work of [noun[Sucks and is cringe but needs to be done that way because otherwise you'd get shit like>"The World is the name of... his stand!"with the stinger at the end.Small bits.
>NYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! FOREIGN LOCALIZERS ARE RUINING ANIME/MANGA AND VIDEO GAMES BUT YOU SHOULDN'T USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO SUPPORT FAN/AI TRANSLATION!!!!!!!!!!! JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! *angry Japanese noises*
>>745397825>transwoke "localizers" are still 800% better than a fan translation made by a 17 year old indian kid who understands neither japanese or english enough to understand 1/10th of the social context of either.Retarded and out of nowhere comparison because transwoke localizers are ruining products you pay for and they are aggressively against the consumer while gloating they're ruining it to "own the chuds". A fan translation of a niche game might be shit but it's free and anyone else could do better anyway. Kill yourself you dumb cock sucking tranny lover.
the jew's having a meltie again
>>745398278>he types out angrily while raising his blood pressureIf you're so awesome why don't you learn Japanese well enough to crawl up the ass of a japanese studio and do their translations properly?
>>745377413troonma goysune keks, our response?
>>745398238>>this plot element... it has to be the work of [noun[>Sucks and is cringe but needs to be done that way because otherwise you'd get shit like>>"The World is the name of... his stand!">with the stinger at the end.Reversing the sentence structure and fucking up the timing/impact because of it for the sake of """sounding more natural""" happens all the time in localisations and it's stupid as shit.
localization autists are fucking annoying
>>745377292Seeing weebs about shitty trannyslations will never not be hilarious lmaoYou get what you fucking deserve
>>745398352>"NOOOOOOO LET ME RUIN EVERYTHING DON'T MAKE ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY ACTIONS!!!!"
>>745398348Yes but it's an inherent element lost in the transition between languages due to their structure.You could raw translate it and ruin every dramatic scene ever, or every dramatic scene can have cringey dialogue that fits the emotion.Once again, letter of the law vs spirit of the law.
if youre a neet then you have no excuse why should not learn japanese
>>745397825>transwoke "localizers" are still 800% better than a fan translation made by a 17 year old indian kidthey're both the same thing in terms of quality.
I'll play japslop on occasion but I don't respect their culture or language at all.
>>745387214It should be G. Rizzler
>>745398185uma musume pretty derbygranblue fantasy relinkshadowverse worlds beyond
>>745396258No, I want these people to keep getting gatekept from actually enjoying the original scripts. If they STILL don't want to learn japanese despite warning them for decades then that's completely on them.The seething in these threads is always funny to read, as if bitching about it on fucking 4chan out of all places was going to accomplish anything.
>>745397514>>745397621there's been mass firings of trannylators but this isn't an overnight thing, especially when the trannylator industry was already 99% nepotism
>>745397357>>745397516What's very strange is that the coma thing is kept in the French version, and according to Solid Snake's French VA, it was the first western translation/dubbing of the game to be done by Konami, and while he doesn't say anything about the translation per se, he says the actors had the japanese cutscenes as reference, as the english dub didn't exist yet. I also checked the Otacon anime scene, and it's pretty much 1:1 with the english version.
>>745398256>already going full mask off with racist cartoons that wouldn't be out of place on ww2*taps sign*
>>745398895I checked Wikipedia, which says that Meryl/Sniper Wolf's French VA participated in the french translation, and changed some lines depending on the actor dubbing them. There's a half hour interview as a source, i'll try to get AI to summarize the relevant parts.
>>745398895It's not uncommon for every other language to have a more faithful translation. This applies even when the english is used as the base. Final Fantasy 14 is a good example.
>>745398895The French like to claim they did everything by themselves and never rely on the English version for things, I generally just ignore them.
>>745377413This one isn't wrong though, especially with the with the weird Gyaru sublanguage
>>745398731The existence of unfaithful localizations is a problem. The audiences cultivated are taught to be intolerant to the original work and authors. When these unsustainable audiences outnumber those in Japan, they will be foolishly appeased. The domestic work will be transformed. This has already happened to Sony and Nintendo.As these anti-Japanese scum are continously given official positions, they will enforce their will. They have used community management, localization, consultancy, and censorship to change art. Image attached is relevant. It's from Umamusume's official discord. I will respond to this post with another relevant image.We must ensure our allies informed rather than put them down for being lazy dummies. Global audiences are affecting Japan, and anti-otaku gatekeepers are cultivating unsustainable audiences while gatekeeping us. We have to gatekeep the anti-otaku, but that starts by empowering the non-Japanese-speaking otaku however we can.
>>745398994>>745399017>>745399020I got the interview down, turns out the french -translation- was based on the english version, which was ready before the english dubbing began, but the -dub- was based on the japanese one. Seems we got the worst of both worlds.
>>745399325 (me)
Just learn Japanese ;^)
>>745399325>The existence of unfaithful localizations is a problem.Now see that's funny because I remember people from your generation pitching a fit when the likes of Final Fantasy and Super Mario RPG got their localizations reverted to match the JP scripts.
>>745397825Your take is super unpopular because it's stupid.Bad translations and bad localizations are equally bad.
>>745399325That's nice, can you explain how you're going to solve this problem by consuming them?
>>745399537They're all bad. What EOPs don't tend to comprehend is that a best case, world class translation is like 90% accurate. A dogshit one is like 70% accurate. If translation work was food, I would not feed J>E or E>J work to my fucking dog.
>>745377470"Christmas" being taken out of the dialogue is what pushed me to drop this piece of shit kike game so thank you Mr. Trannylator
>>745399373>they are all depicted as being underage No, Maruzensky, you just larp as student
>>745399373>as they all are depicted as underage
>>745398919I'm sorry that my shitpost triggers youOr maybe it's because of inappropriate image choice>>745399373This Discord server is run by yurifags lmaoThey even think Trainer x Uma is forbidden
>>745377312the least offensive somehow>>745377361>>745377413>>745385449thats just a rewrite
>>745399691>He considers that shitposting
>>745399325>We must ensure our alliesOur lazy and retarded circlejerk*
>We have to gatekeep the anti-otaku
>>745394025Shigesato Itoi was hands-on with Mother 1's localization and approved of all the changes that went in, but that could be considered a special exception because Mother 1's Famicom version was unfinished and the localization provided an opportunity to add a proper ending and tweak other features. Some of the additions were made by NoA such as the addition of a run button (which was only added for debugging but kept in because it felt good to use), and the Japan-exclusive GBA rerelease of the game was directly based on the English localization.https://tcrf.net/EarthBound_Beginnings/Version_DifferencesHe was not personally hands-on with Earthbound, but his main collaborator when writing the script moved to the US for two months to work with the localizer for the game. It had an ethos of>The localization needs to besomething that the English-speaking audience will enjoy.which was pure-intentioned for the project but which has obviously been corrupted by modern localizers, as seen in this thread. Porky doesn't look at the camera and tell the player his acts of villainy are the results of late-stage capitalism.
>>745399639Highschooler btw
>>745387035Give them a boston accent
>>745389886Osakans aren't hicks though retard.
>>745399639>>745399890Air Groove and Super Creek where?
>>745377470Oh, that explains the retardation.
>>745378901
>>745379012You're in a bit of a pickle
>>745377292I played GTA IV in french and the subtitles translation was mostly accurate, and felt very natural sounding. There's one line they changed though: in TLAD's final mission they changed the line "Traitorous fucking bastard." To "Fucking right-wing sex-partying dinosaur." Which is taken word from word from a french parody movie from the 80s titled "La classe américaine". The French translators seemed to like that movie, since they replaced Joe Pesci’s Goodfellas quote in one of GTA Chinatown Wars' boat missions with another quote from it.What does /v/ think of that?
Trannies spent literal decades worming themselves into the industry, what have (you) done besides seething about it online? You won't even bother learning enough japanese to correct their shitty translations.
>>745399890She is actually mistaken for teacher without uniform by other students
>>745400107Huh, I must've missed that event, granted I haven't seen her outfit events either so far, rng and all
>>745400104self improvement irl
>>745399947Spoken like someone from Osaka.
>>745400204No you're just a retard. The "Hick" accent comes with a lot of connotations that have nothing to do with Osaka and isn't even close to the stereotypes that actually apply to Osakans. So no, it's not a good stand in for an Osakan accent. Hicks>rural >backwards >xenophobic >conservative >guns guns guns Osakans >funny >loud >shrewd >cosmopolitan >deals deals deals
>>745400315>osaka stereotype is actually japanese jewswhat the fuck
>>745400359Yeah pretty much, but without all the evil baby murdering.
>>745396447https://github.com/AuroraWright/owocrhttps://github.com/rtr46/meikipophttps://github.com/kha-white/manga-ocrhttps://github.com/kotcrab/ocr-readerhttps://github.com/SethRobinson/UGTLivehttps://github.com/moheladwy/OCR4Linuxhttps://github.com/mayocream/koharuhttps://github.com/RapidAI/RapidOCRhttps://github.com/bpwhelan/GameSentenceMiner
>>745400315>>>xenophobic >>conservativeThis is every japanese person?
>>745400315so osakans are the dutch of europe
>>745389597Merry christmas anon
>>745377413I don't understand why they didn't just look up what a gyaru is, look at their equivalent in the west, and then used that.Gyaru culture is heavily associated with fashion and clubbing, so why not just use that? Helios is quite literally dressed up for a rave.It helps tie in her artwork that usually shows something about clubbing.By making it gen z, it also strips her from the connection she has with Daiichi Ruby, which represents the Lolita Fashion that reigned along gyaru fashion that were THE two popular subcultures in Heisei era.
>>74537747013 or 30?
>>745400727Main dynamic of an energetic party animal hitting on a prim and proper lady is still there tho
>>745381279I'm tired of everything having to be catered to retard normies. Why is there such reluctance to let any bit of culture, mannerisms, or attitudes of the source of the game/movie/whatever come through? It's doubly retarded to worry about that when the game in question is an insane anime Japanese horseracing horse girl game.
>>745390763>not all people celebrate christmasBut the Umamusume obviously do.
Merry Christmas
I've asked multiple times and noone has yet to post how they'd translate Helios' gyaru speak instead
>>745401084erhm who is helios
>>745401084Whatever some random AIslop model spews out so they don't have to pay your tranny ass.Then play it in japanese instead and tell people to play it in japanese as well because westoidese is a dogshit putrid language with zero room for nuance after the last 2 decades killed the very little nuance it did have.
>>745377312This is fine. Turning Kansai into a Brooklyn/New York accent has been a staple in localizations for a while, and it kind of fits Tamamo Cross' personality anyways>>745377361Not a bad way of getting Yukino Bijin's bumpkin personality across, even if some of the expressions are super-archaic even for her (I think she uses "Zounds!" at one point, which is like from Shakespearean England)>>745377413I'm still not sure about this, but if you want to get her incomprehensibility across easier to a mass audience, Gen Z nonsense slang isn't a bad compromiseThe only thing that really annoys me is the "Christmas" downplaying. If you have a game where Santa is a constant presence, XOguri's ultimate has her climbing a Christmas tree, and numerous characters have vocals where they literally say "Merry Christmas" IN ENGLISH, I somehow doubt seeing the word "Christmas" in text would cause much outrage.
>>745377292>>745377312>>745377361>>745377413>>745377470The CyGames SEA English translation used to make an ok job, did they replaced them all? GBF ReLink also had an embarrassing translation.
>>745400448Thanks Anon, I'll check em out later.The last one I tried a while ago constantly bugged out, whenever I tried to scan something at low res or if the text was small or also had furigana.
>>745400484You understand that's a stereotype that non japs have about japs, that's not a stereotype japs have among themselves.
>>745401286the california/portland localizers have all been deeply imbedded by trannies, faggots, commies and commie sympathizers, and other people of ill repute.
>Nikke localization first had the MC get called a they/them>Later on is strictly called a heWhat happened to the localizers of Nikke?
>>745401009Its not really religious in Japan, its Valentines Day 2 with KFC flavoring
>>745400969Okay yes, I agree. Now how would you translate it?
>>745400969Because they want to make money
>>745401227so your solution is to not translate it?
>>745401313Don't worry, these one are better.I'll suggest you another one, for videogames:https://github.com/matt-m-o/YomiNinjaIt's basically abandoned, but it still do its job.
>>745400903You are mistaking cause and consequence. They decided to pair Helios and Ruby together because they represent each the gyaru and lolita subcultures that were extremely popular during the Heisei era.And the consequence of that is the dynamic of one being the party animal (again, gyaru is closely related to clubbing culture) and the prim and proper lady have a tea party.I like it, but this connection is completely lost on localization, and it often comes as if Helios likes Ruby for no reason at all.
I always assume they get paid for each "correction" like the 4kids anime localization studio team used to and thats why they go out of their way to meddle with it as much as possible
I thought the whole happy holidays thing was their attempt to not offend conservative christians because Japan don't really celebrate christmas to honor the birth of our lord and savior Jesus Christ.
How funny that lots of people in this thread claim they can do a better job at localizing/translating, yet they are still unemployed. Why is that?
>>745401446Correct, westoids deserve nothing.
>>745401227>a putrid language with zero room for nuanceBehold, the ramblings of an insane turd worlder.
>>745401084Do you think she only speaks nonsense? Everything she says can be translated into perfectly readable text without memes or completely changing everything she says, here is how I'd like it to be translated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOgA4NaadPc
>>745401705*amerifats deserve nothing
>>745401370And could put your neurons together and tell me what this mysterious holiday that is not very religious in Japan, and considered Valentines 2 with KFC flavoring is called in Umamusume universe/Japan?https://youtu.be/E7fdO6OnhQI
>>745377413kek'd hard
>>745401750Finally.And yeah I agree that is a bit better, even if you lose the "tf does this mean?" factor if you're just listening to or reading the japanese
This is the Reddit Horse Game all the Indians and shills on X were pushing, huh?
>>745401925Shouldn't you be getting ready to go back to school, summerfag?
>>745401750This is miles better than what we got, you completely lose the feeling of being roped in by an easily sociable gyaru when it's just gen Z slangs, especially when gen Z are the farthest away from being easy to socialize. Just make it more like slangs, or even shortening the words, something that was common among gyarus.
>>745401987Only a Summerfag would say something like this, old/v/ hated mobile slop. But the neo/nu/v/ of today...
gachafags deserve to get shit translations
who cares, it's gacha. it's not a masterpiece of writing. 99% of gacha writing isn't worth reading even if you knew Japanese
>>745396447Japreader + JGlossator + Anki is all you'll ever need.
>>745401454Abandoned but still the best one from all you posted.It's the only OCR that actually works without having to remove my CRT filter on emulators.
just learn japanese, bro. it's not that hard.
>>745402202the trannies cared enough to vandalize it
>>745401659That would explain why they change skill names like "Kaibutsu" to "Beast mode", or "無我夢中" to "Claw forward".
>>745402296but I don't care enough to look up the original
>>745402296they were being paid
>>745402097this.
>>745378901/thread
>>745402202/threadPeople treating games and especially japanese games as anything that's so valuable it's worth respecting are beyond laughable
>>745377413They did this shit with a gyaru in Princess Connect too by the way, if anyone remembers before that shit died in the west.
>>745397825thisgo fash, no cash
>>745389330>Thirld worldies are crashing out because Cygames localization is aimed at a first-world audience instead of them>Stick to your Hoyo games, brown trash./threadESLfags btfo
>>745377292I pray CyGames fires all these faggy localizers and just has machine translation handle it. AI is good at reconfiguring contexts. It would turn out far better translations and localized dialogue basically 100% of the time, and for much less cost.
>>745387035Like they're human beings speaking their own language. How's that for a wild idea? Individual voices will still come through if you're a competent writer adapting competently written material.
So, it seems that they also did this same presentation in Japanese. You know what that means? Time to critique the English-Japanese localisation of their presentation! Well, only a couple of stand-outs, since I don’t have time to go through it line by line.Slide 7 They left “Recognisability“ and “Authenticity” untranslated in the JP version of their presentation. And put a whole-sentence caption over “Recognisability“ like a god-damn 2005 fansub (“一目でそのキャラクターだとわかること”, something like “The quality of being able to understand that character in one glance”).Very interesting that when it’s their own work they’re ’localising’, they decide that some terms are untranslatable and need translator‘s notes, like perhaps they know what they’re doing is vandalism and are unwilling to vandalise their own work.Slide 31 The already memed-upon line about gyaru culture being poorly-understood overseas is instead explained to the Japanese-speaking audience as ”伝わりにくい”(Difficult to convey), which, due to how understatement works in Japanese corpo-speak works, probably means something more like “totally untranslatable”. They are not framing it as lack of knowledge, as in the English version.Also from that same conference:ゲームシナリオライターを支援するAIツール開発の実践 (Practical development of AI tools to support game scenario writers)コードレビュー支援ツール開発から学ぶ (Learning from the development of (LLM) code review tools)The writing is on the wall for the job in game development most easily replaced by LLMs.
>>745380290Can you link it?
>>745399421There has been a intolerance for faithful localizations because of how audiences were cultivated. English audiences were cultivated with Funimation's dubs and Square's Ted Woolsey. This differs from Japanese audiences whom are cultivated with the original creators' expression. With their own disregard (and sometimes hatred) of Japanese expression, localizers have cultivated audiences whom equally disrespect the original creation even when these audiences are ignorant about the Japanese release.This situation is unsustainable. There must be a realignment of audiences or else the environment of Japan's fiction production will be destroyed. The market won't shrink because of faithtful localizations. However, it will be destroyed by unsustainable audiences. Global "fans" that target Japanese expression with cancel culture is a result of localizers' cultivation.Super Mario RPG and Final Fantasy would be just as successful without Ted Woolsey's unfaithful localizations. However, localizers like him have thoroughly raped the entire global market for Japanese media by cultivating unsustainable audiences. Localizers are a cancer that corrupt normal, healthy audiences into unsustainable audiences that demand the destruction of anything Japanese. Once all cells become cancer, death is inevitable.
>>745399421A couple erroneous rewrites were removed but the still match the incorrect original translation overall. Same thing happened with Symphony of the Night. Yeah some of the plagiarism was removed in the PSP translation, the PSP translation is still hot garbage.
>>745402202>>745402873>who cares about itYou obviously care enough to reply. You are free to prove that you don't care enough to reply.
>>745404620This set of slides, right? https://speakerdeck.com/cygames/cygames_202607_cedec2026_05
>>745382310>>745377470Ear checkIm going with JEWISH.
>>745394214>instantly thinks of trannies.what's wrong with you?
>>745396468censorship localizers are panty-thieves, figures.
>>745391903>>745391927>Quickly he turns the attacker’s charges back on him and the attacker becomes the liar, the troublemaker, the terrorist. Nothing could be more mistaken than to defend oneself. That is just what the Jew wants. He can invent a new lie every day for the enemy to respond to, and the result is that the enemy spends so much time defending himself that he has no time to do what the Jew really fears: to attack. The accused has become the accuser, and loudly he shoves the accuser into the dock. So it always was in the past when a person or a movement fought the Jew. That is what would happen to us as well were we not fully aware of his nature, and if we lacked the courage to draw the following radical conclusions.Never defend yourself.Always attack
We don't need IQ tests anymore; anyone that enjoys and/or relates to localizations is an imbecile.Simple things for the simple minds.
>>745404620>And put a whole-sentence caption over “Recognisability“ like a god-damn 2005 fansub (“一目でそのキャラクターだとわかること”, something like “The quality of being able to understand that character in one glance”).Classic ateji.
>>745396403You can learn katakana in a single day.Its incredibly easy its just phonetics, granted you wont be able to read japanese in a day, but you will be able to sound out the words.Same for hiaragana.
>>745406580>censorship localizers are panty-thieves, figures.lol
>>745407361>I'm in soup=しまったI want to die
Is there a single game localization that meets the quality standards of /v/?Hard mode: Must be from the 2020s
>>745409502Star Ocean 2 Remake
>>745395374This is true. The problem isn't that the current-generation LLMs are incapable.It's that they need to be given the context within which to translate. Both the current scene AND the details of the setting. E.g. if a character has a typical personality quirk, speaks in a certain dialect, has certain archetypical mannerisms, etc. then you need to TELL them that.
>>745409502You say this like /v/ or really anyone has high standards. Just don't do stupid shit or make basic errors and most people would give the benefit of the doubt.
>>745394929And translations keep getting worse every single year.Sadpanda is full to the brim with ESLs, rewrites, AI translations, and low quality/troll translations, and the horsefucker refuses to do anything about it.
>>745409502I was going to say Blue Archive, but they do take some liberties and turn almost every distinct laugh into a stupid "heehee."
>>745409502Hayasaki no KuroyuriKugayama Shiori's Death DiaryHookah HazeThe Great Villainess: Strategy of LilyKemono Teatime
>>745409860lol
>>745385449I don't even need to know Japanese to know it's shit
>>745404620>They are not framing it as lack of knowledge, as in the English version.Someone should counter-publish a proper back-translation of their English-speaking-world translation for the Japanese professional audience. Show them what's actually being shown to the English world, through a lens they can understand.And then hope it lands on some executive's desk who will end up connecting the dots. That'd result in shitstorm-in-T-minus-10, and it has precedent of having happened before.
>>745410321>Someone should counter-publish a proper back-translation of their English-speaking-world translation for the Japanese professional audience.Will never happen because people only want to complain than actually provide an argument worth a discussion.
>>745410321>someone should>not me though, fuck that effort lmaoThat's why you people never accomplish anything
>>745409852>low quality/troll translationsSomeone posted this panel. An english translation of it. And just looking at one part not the whole, this 立派で。。。 was translated as well-endowed. Which is definitely wrong. She says まじめ, 誠実. She's saying his earnest, sincere, upstanding. Not how you would translate probably just that's the idea. Well-endowed is way too explicit. Even taking the wealthy meaning it doesn't make sense. He's rich doesn't fit with the other complements. Yeah when she says 立派 she's obviously referring to his specifically his dick but it's still implied because it could plausibly refer to just him as a whole. Don't know when the translation came out(source is COMIC 高 2016年11月号) but what the fuck.
>>745379042Japanese business boomers are literal retards and uncritically believe everything that American consultants tell them. There might be a change once Japanese boomers die (they are never going to retire even if they go senile) or the Chinks and Gooks finalize their takeover of Eastern game industry.
>>745407707I unironically find katakana harder than kanji whenever it shows up during reading.
Never forget Esty Dee.
>>745411028It's either the easiest or completely impossible to interpret. Crazy how that goes.
>>745411028That's the sign you're past the baby play area and are actually approaching fluency.
>>745409502Nioh 2/3.
>>745387006>I genuinely have no idea what this post is trying to say. What the hell are you talking about?Are you a trannylator? He's obviously saying that, just like not everyone knows how kansaiben is different from traditional Japanese, the type of brown ESL third worlders who play gacha games might not know what a "southern" American speech pattern is.
>>745409502Sonic 1-3 were decent.
>>745377361>>745379012>>745400093Yeah, "in a pickle" would have been the correct translation here. This entire power point is just the trannylators fellating themselves, as they are wont to do at any opportunity.
>>745395689I can smell your artificial estrogen from here.
>>745377470>-"Christmas", "date", and "master" are censoredI've seen the "Christmas" slide, where the Japanese is literally saying "Merry Christmas" and "Santa", and then she censored "Christmas" but she didn't censor "Santa" for some reason. Anyway, what are "date" and "master" changed to? And why are those censored?
>>745377413I like how many are seething about this, but also how the localizers act like this is a revolutionary idea. People have been translating Gyaru as whatever the current nu-generation slang speak is for ages now. It wasn't uncommon at all in the 2010s to see Gyaru translations speaking in exaggerated slang with an overuse of words like "totes" or an excessive amount of cutesy sounding idioms.
>>745387273>I'm not a translator so I don't know, but I would avoid a connection with real existing things.So instead of using an accent that only 99% of their audience will understand, you want them to make up a new accent that nobody will understand?
>>745412364>datecan't have romantic relationships with teenage horses or else they'll get flak>masterprobably something to do with slavery
>>745412745So what was "date" and "master" translated to then? Or did they just change the subject entirely and create new, unrelated dialogue for those scenes?
>>745412827I think know about the master thing. In Japanese, Mihono Bourbon calls the trainer Master, in English she just calls the trainer Trainer.
>>745412524Kek, I remember an attempt at this using nonsensically placed umlauts to "show" that a word was being spoken differently than it typically was
>>745412880>In Japanese, Mihono Bourbon calls the trainer Master, in English she just calls the trainer Trainer.Ah, so the "unique speech of Umamusume", as depicted in this slide (>>745377292) is not actually as important to the trannylators as they want you to believe.
>A asks B to show his fighting ability, B agrees and responds "胸を借りるよ" lit: "I'll borrow your chest"Do you guys think idiomatic expressions such as this should be translated literally? this is an idiom originated from sumo, I believe. A practice in martial arts where a junior takes on a senior to test their own skills and learn from them. It might not make much sense unless you know, so would it be better if it was TL'd as something like "I'll take you on"?
>>745413096I think we should destroy the concept of christmas
>>745413096>実力の下位の者が実力の上位の者に相手をしてもらう。もと,相撲の用語。
>>745377470retarded butch cuntwhy the fuck cant Japs just use some jap English-language philologist???
Way too late to the thread but after hearing they toned down the intimacy and has actual censorship should i just switch to the JP version?
>>745390763Damn that Canaanite rat phenotype is strong in this one....
>>745414331Yeah, its time to learn Japanese
>>745392003>ignores JPMkys kike
