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>>483642114It's complicated, since they call it "Super Saiyan", but the aura and moveset is pretty much Super Saiyan Rage.
>>483642236You think Anilaza is just going to have infinite jumps or is he going to bring out his wings so he can properly fly?
What do you think of Goku Black's model?
There is still more than a 0% chance that we'll get Great Ape Nappa and Raditz.
>>483642440I like what they did with the eyes. Outside of that, I'm not a fan.
>>483641254>>483641667I would say Beerus or Buu but there's no way someone like Cui would know about themThere's also scaring Frieza with the Super Saiyan, but I don't remember Cui knowing about the legend
damn Lunch is busty in breakers
>>483642623No offense, but why do you keep insisting on Oozaru Raditz and Nappa? I know the game needs more giants, but Kid Goku, Bardock, and Bergamo are right there, and Cell Max is pretty much locked for DLC.
GOKU (SUPER) ULTRA INSTINTO -AUTÓNOMO-
>>483643340Why did they go for Autonomous, both Sign and Omen are right there?
>>483643340Why does he look so weird?
>>483643340I'm glad they just went with Ultra Instinto instead of Doctrina Egoista or something like that, the former makes more sense
>>483643563Basing the game off of Shintani was a mistake. All it did was give everyone huge noses, weird faces, and take away the muscles.
still no lolis in sparking ?????
>>483644181This is the closest thing you have
That Blast 1 for Blue Vegeta? A nod to the manga form, True SSBE will be confirmed in the next trailer
>>483642670Fuck... no future Dragon Ball game will surpass Fighterz's graphics, we've already reached the anime limit
I hope everyone gets to play with their favorite characters by the final dlc. Anyone who showed up and raised a fist at any point should be allowed in.
>>483644181Kid Chichi will become DLC and you know that
>>483642670That Fighterz Black is awful, I'm sticking with Sparking for this one
>>483642236>>483642440He looks really fuckin' good. The hair physics on him are pretty sexy>>483642670I think this is one of the few times where Sparking Zero looks better than FighterZ
>>483642670I think all the girls in sparking zero look weird, don't know why
>>483644181You will need to wait until they add Pan in the Super Hero DLC.
>>483644363I always thought it was spelled as Rozie.
>>483644687Thank you Goku!
>>483642670I think FighterZ looks better (objectively better skin textures, lighting, face, hair-work/lining, etc) but SZ is closer to the anime.
>>483645274English Dub being English Dub. just like "Toppo" and "Top" (They're using Toppo here though). Could be worse; They've spelled Anilaza as "Agnilasa" before..
>>483644890They gave him the same hair physics as Corrupted Zamasu. It’s ant-Zamas propaganda to make him look more unhinged.
>Dabura vs Mr. SatanI just got the joke.
This trailer confirmed that this is Spopovich btw. You can see his teeth, bottom lip crease, eye shape, pupils and cheekbones.
>>483646619Pui Pui bros... we lost...
>>483646619There is probably a what if of videl winning
>>483646619You can see his nose as well.
Is licensing the reason why Xenoshit can't do things like vid related?
>>483646945Is it? They have SSJ3 Bardock.
PuiPui jobbers…not like this…
>>483646945I think it is a lack of creativity, yeah that much lack
>>483625843her smug voice before transforming is godlike in both languages, wish there was more emphasis on that
>>483647261He’s probably just going to remain a cameo apart of Babidi’s moveset. Playable Pui Pui (Heroes and gacha aside) is still but a pipe dream…
>>483646945Lack of talent Probably a ghost crew still working on the game while the rest are busy making XV3 (COPIUM)The fact that the playerbase is fine with it as long as they get shit for their cacs and another long-overdue character that should have been in the base game
>>483647073He's from DBO though
I'm calling it now, there will at some point be a character-reveal trailer that is themed around the Z storyline next month.It will confirm all of the unconfirmed Z forms for Frieza, Cell, Buu, Gohan and any other characters relevant to the story of Z.Will probably be called something like Heroes vs Villains.
>>483644825You want to be special so bad.
>>483643293>No offense, but why do you keep insisting on Oozaru Raditz and Nappa?nta, but I've seen people saying that because they were in the previous BT titles. Frankly I always thought they were a waste of space.>>483646619Like this guy. Fuck Bamco and fuck all of you who wanted this nigga.
>>483636164Breakers and Sparking don't share models dumbfuck, Breakers is Dimpslop.
>>483648850Cope.
>>483649264drone.
>>483648235Most of the heroes have been shown already. I can see a transforming villain themed trailer like the fusion one. Between just Frieza, Cell, Buu and Frost you've got plenty to fill a trailer.
Whaaaa? Chronoa confirmed for Sparking Zero?!!!!
Sign looks way better than Mui
>>483649336>GT/Movie/Supertard who only cares about """""badass""""" characters calling anyone else a dronelollmao
What's the consensus on Baby raider? Broken? Seems like it >>483649550UOOH CHRONOA-CHAN
>>483649550don't you even joke about that man
>>483646945Probably a mix of not having enough resources/saving shit for the third game. Xenoverse, for a game that has been supported for almost a decade now, has always kinda pulled its punches as far as what-if shit goes, for some reason, despite being probably the best method to introduce DBH concepts to a western audience and get them popular. Like, this last DLC is the first time we've gotten anything what-if related and it's basically if Vegeta went Super Duper Villain mode
>>483642236SS3 Broly was the sickest shit to me back in raging blast 2.
>>483650069Inevitable DLC
>>483647434Man, I wish she fought some battles in her base form. It would have given them an excuse to be in the game. I would never transform her.
>>483650790Broly looks good in every form. It's like they were made for him.
>>483651224I wish he slimmed down for SS4 but everyone loves Broly because he hulks out, i get it.
>>483648706Kill yourself
NINGENS NINGENS NINGENS NINGENS NINGENS NINGENS NINGENS NINGENS NINGENS NINGENS FILTHY DIRTY NINGENS!
>>483649576t. mangafag
I hope we get him instead of Oozaru bardock, Oozarus all played the same anyway
>>483644393>Vegetafags are still coping
>>483653743What does that have to do with anything?
>>483653348t.
>>483653963He's still mindbroken over the manga.
I have not seen a single match where Baby didn't reach level 4, good lord
>>483654387Almost like Baby is broken as a raider
In my opinion, the way the camera is set up here is reminiscent of the intro dialogue animations at the start of a battle. The camera never zooms in on Bulma like that in the cutscenes we've seen so far.
>>483654387On one hand I think he get's from stage 2 to stage 3 to easily. On the other hand, people are completely retarted when it comes with his stage one right now. I had a game where I saw him trying to pretend to be a civ while I was flying above him, pinged "Let's escape" over and over the, and some dumb ass STILL tried to rescue him. Then when he died, a guy came over to review him all while I was still pinging.I could see him taking a while to get out of lvl 1 on groups that aren't brain dead on him.
>>483654762That still doesn't explain Shenlong. There's no way he's in the gameplay.
>>483654762It just feels odd that if Chi Chi is playable, they use her Buu/Super version instead of her EoOG version which was her at her prime.
It could just be multiple costumes. Every version of Chi-Chi has fought at some point in the anime.https://files.catbox.moe/vhq2k7.mp4
>>483654387>>483654479Have you guys forgotten ranked so soon? Ranked is over, so we're back to random retard survivor queue. What's more. Baby is brand new, so it'll take time for people to figure out how he works. I fully expect games to be back in Raider favor. Games are going to be tough, but I think it's best that way. During ranked, holy shit, survivors just abused the raider so hard. It was so difficult to win as raider in Z rank. It's a breath of fresh air to actually dominate people again.Premades > Raider > Randoms. That's how it generally is.
>>483655330True but the handful of times you play as Chi Chi is mostly in her EoOG version with her kid version being second place. Essentially it's mostly just her OG variation.
>>483655461Because survivors had more advantages over raiders.
>>483655002Shenron isn’t a regular NPC, he’s directly tied to gameplay unlocks.
>>483653781Frankly, I hope we get one "Oozaru" character for all the generic Oozaru transformations with just a bunch of costumes.Like I get Vegeta's Oozaru having it's own transformation because he mastered it and can talk, had unique moves, etc but all the other Oozaru we see in the anime (both filler and canon) never speak and use the same generic moves (Mouth Beam, Rock Throw, etc). So just make one character and give it costumes to make it look like Bardock/Fasha/Gohan/Goku/Nappa/etc.It's just so much more efficient that way.
>>483655760Yeah and you can't use the cutscene NPC excuse because every other character on screen is playable. Unless Chi Chi is tied to some mode.
>>483653781>>483655954You people are cancer
>>483654762Actually, it looks like the same pose she's in in the BT3 menu.Different outfit yeah, but that pose is etched into my mind from the menus in these games.It's not a fighting pose I guess is my main point.
>>483656275I'm not talking about her pose.
>>483655002What? You don't want playable Shenron?
>>483655758The biggest problem was mostly the endless DC charges. Second was how easy it was to stall. Now both of those are reduced pretty hard, but not out right fully gone so it should be in a pretty good spot right now. I haven't run into any try hard premades yet though to fully judge.
>>483655758they certainly didn't nerf Immortal Champion, Memories of Battle, and Unconscious Control. Survivors still have a lot of shit. It's way too early to say anything about the state of the game. I wouldn't call for any kneejerk buffs/nerfs right now. I "hope" that the game stays slightly Raider favored. I think it makes the game more exciting that way (speaking as somebody who enjoys playing both sides).
>>483656204Why do you want five duplicate versions of the same character with the same voice lines and the same moveset?
>>483656421>>483656475I think it's going to be hard to try and equalize things so survivors and raiders won't feel too busted over the other
>>483656475They indirectly nerfed all of those though. They nerfed IC by giving raiders good snipping tools and a little faster movment. UC was nerfed since you can't spam vanish anymore and have to try and time your damn dodges now. MoB was the least nerf but you can't pre load with an energy drink, so in theory a raider should get a chance to kill you before your next DC can come up. I think the biggest threat might be the damage stacking passive that can murder you very fast.
I like the inclusion of Roasie and other minor characters from Super because it upsets black people.
>>483656204Whats the point of having the same character over and over again? People unironically wanting the generic frieza soldier or characters like Babidi to come back are at least getting a singular character with those, not a literal model swap with skills that barely change that takes up a whole slot.
>>483642623They can mostly hit copy and paste on those so I wouldn't be shocked.
>>483654895>>483655461The problem is the Lvl1 Baby can instakill any survivor who gets within like ten yards. It's a powercrept version of Saibamen. His level 2 also levels up to 3 very quickly. He has to be the fastest-levelling raider whilst having above average health. It reeks of power creep to try and counter the influx of premades absolutely demolishing raiders.
>>483657197But Black is also in the game...
>>483652748Nah I'm happier than you and have more money than you and I'm better at video games than you.
>GOATpovich is back and ready to be used in custom battles to beat the shit out if all-female teamsYep, I'm thinking GOTY
>>483659504>Make a custom battle where you play Spopovich>Enemy fighters is literally just every female character in the gameHonestly would be really fucking funny lmao.
>>483659504embarrassing
>>483657197She's not that minor character though
>>483656557>>483657838>Because the old BT game did it!Nostalgia is hell of a drug>>483657197??? The fuck are you talking about?
I just wanna know if they fixed her model
>>483657197>I like the inclusion of Roasie and other minor characters from Super because of this weird thing I made up in my headThe overwhelming majority of Super fans are white zoomers.
>>483663719>The overwhelming majority of Super fans are white zoomers.That's exactly what the other post says
>>483657197What characters do black people like?
>>483665063GT characters.SS4 GogetaThe pre-super version of Bardock that was a shitty, neglectful father who was too busy committing violence and murder to care about his kids.
>>483656275Did you miss the part where she’s in the wasteland stage and not on some menu?
>>483665747>The pre-super version of Bardock that was a shitty, neglectful father who was too busy committing violence and murder to care about his kidsAll saiyans in planet Vegeta were like that tho
As of today, Breakers isn't working on Linux / Steam Deck. Stupid ass fucking nip developers.
I just notice that there is a perfect amount of slots between Z End Goku, Early Goku and Super Goku to fit Kid/Ozaru/GT/SSGT/SS3GT/SS4 and Gogeta 4 right next to the other Gogetas. The only detail is how both forms of Goku Mid are far away from the rest.
>>483667727Have they still not added Great Saiyaman here?
>>483668885Nah, they only add 'officially confirmed' characters to the roster screen. Which only includes characters confirmed through an official trailer.
>>483669010Which is dumb because it's not like anyone imagines that Base form Melee Trunks isn't going to be in.
>>483669189Yeah, it's pretty annoying. I would rather they just filled out all the obvious slots without worrying about a trailer for it so we can all focus on the slots that are actually worth speculating about.
>>483669010Can anyone post the full list of confirmed characters please? There’s also Dr Gero whose unaccounted for.
>Super's Vegeta has been done so dirty in terms of transformations that it goes down his bloodline and affects his son.
>>483669842Yeah there's a few characters from the demo who aren't there.
>>483662878Smelly monkey and an ugly stick.Those abs? FAKE.FRUADfla will never be as Strong as HEROku
>>483670130His normal Super Saiyan and God look just fine honestly, it’s just Blue that got screwed over. My main issue with Trunks (Super) is that he only has basic stuff like Final Flash and Galick Gun as supers. At least make it the Father-Son Galick Gun or something.
>>483669842>>483624565
>>483670673Thank you
I always feel so bad for attacking the boss in xv2, she's so cute and has a cute voice I sometimes hold back...
>>483669189>it's not like anyone imagines that Base form Melee Trunks isn't going to be in.I don't know, have you seen some anons here? Pretty sure if you go back a thread or two there's some anons posting stupid shit like>Um...guys....is there no Base Melee Trunks...? They haven't shown him yet...>Ultimate Gohan....?>Omen isn't in.... it's a skill/alt for UI....>No SSJ1 Caulifla or SSJ2 Kale, but we get all of Kefla's forms....?
>>483663719Latinos and Mexicans love Super because it is apart of Dragon Ball. When I was at a Mexican restaurant once and the Mariachi band was passing out their cards in case you wanted to hire them, the card had Granolah, Goku, and Vegeta in the same band outfits they were in.
>>483671439I saw a video of someone making a roster prediction where they forgot to add him at first. Take a guess who was in his place, or rather, which "era" they came from.
>>483671672GT.It's always fucking GT.I saw a roster prediction where the guy forgot to add fucking Super Buu AND Kid Buu entirely because he was too busy padding the roster with GT and movie characters.
>GT still causing much ass painsome things never change eh
>mini princessoh no..not again
>>483672689When you mean GT padding do you mean everything within the BT3 roster or going beyond that? And I’m not just talking Rildo and all his different forms either, I’m sure some of these fags are trying to sneak guys like Luud and Ledgic in there too.
>>483642670I'll side with Fighterz, Sparking Zero has too much glow for me.
>>483642670Kinda want a side by side comparison with Rosè Black’s 3D model in each game now. (XV2, Breakers, Legends etc)
>>483646945Non shit qualityhttps://x.com/DBHBrasil/status/1806133933660139666
>>483673891>Luud and LedgicCool choices.
>>483646945Why does Xenoverse have such odd looking hair for SSJ4 Characters? They look very inaccurate and no one has modded more accurate version.
>>483642670Fighterz has the better facial definition while SZ seems to be trying to mimic Super and Z's shading styles.
>>483679302*mimic Super and Z's shading styles from the anime.
Nova Goku? He's in
>>483667727Why is UI Goku not connected to DBS Goku?
>>483662878>big green lips
>>483679504The think I didn't like about Fusions is how most fusions are in base
>>483679516Either it's a separate character or we take the grid placement way more seriously than Spike does. Probably the later.
What if Krillin was trapped and betrayed in the time chamber for 3 and a half weeks?
>>483679958By 18?
>>483680129By Vegeta.
>>483679958>>4836801803 and a half weeks from his perspective or in the outside world?
>>4836803833 and a half weeks.
>>483680447He would be pretty annoyed
This is the power of Gogeta
How do I control my ki?
>>483680801Like holding your poop
>>483680801start with deep full lung breathingthen unleash a kiai with all your might
>>483664268You're right I misread
>>483673203>gets ridiculed>"h-heh so much asspain"Keep coping.
>>483682237oh noes not the ridculing!
>>483680739>The Ki Aura forms an Infinity symbol behind Gogeta SSJ4HOLY STRONGEST
Every officially revealed character, including the characters the trailer forgot. That leaves 54 character slots left. Pretty sure we might be getting another trailer at Anime Expo, so couple more weeks.
>>483658782Cell is still the fastest evolving raider but yeah his level 1 is retarded, at the very very least it should make more noise than it does now
>>483643293>series mainstays>easy copy-paste models>giants in a roster that's still lacking them>grid hasn't locked either one outHe's right. So long as Nappa and Raditz have space by them on the grid, they have a chance. Especially when fucking Spopovich and Omen just got in.
>>483686483I know that, but Oozaru Raditz and Nappa are TECHNICALLY what-if characters, and we haven't seen any what-if characters in the game yet.
>>483684889Jeice and Burter but no Ginyu yet it's still crazy.
I stole that another anon's character list and made some improvements but then it was too long for one post fuck this gay site. Part 1/2Currently confirmed characters (113/164)Goku [Child]Goku [Early Z]Goku [Mid Z] (base, SS)Goku [Late Z] (base, SS, SS2, SS3)Goku [Super] (base, SS, SSG, SSB, UIS, UI)Vegeta [Scouter] (base, Great Ape)Vegeta [First half Z] (base, SS, Super)Vegeta [Late Z] (base, SS, SS2)Majin VegetaVegeta [Super] (base, SS, SSG, SSB)Gohan [Child]Gohan [Teen] (SS2)Gohan [Adult] (base, SS, SS2, Great Saiyaman)Ultimate GohanGohan [Future] (base, SS)PiccoloKrillinYamchaTenshinhanChaotsuTrunks [Sword] (base, SS)Trunks [Fighter] (base, SS, Super)Trunks [Future] (base, SSR)Trunks [Child] (base, SS)Goten (base, SS)Vegetto (base, SS, SSB)Gogeta [Super] (base, SS, SSB)Gotenks (base, SS, SS3)VidelRoshi (base, Max Power)YajirobeZarbonFreeza [Z] (Final form, Max power)Freeza [Super] (Final form, Golden)Cell [Perfect]Majin BuuMr. SatanBardockRaditzNappaSaibamanBurterJeice#17 [Z]#17 [Super]#18GeroSpopovichDaburaBroly (rage, SS, Full power)BeerusWhisGoku Black (base, SSR)ZamasuMerged Zamasu (base, Half corrupted)HitCaulifla (base, SS2)Kale (base, SS, Out of control)Kefla (base, SS, SS2)Jiren (base, Full power)ToppoDyspoBergamoKakunsaRoasieRibrianneAnilazaProbable Characters (23 -> 136/164)Gohan [Teen] (base, SS)Zarbon (Monster)DodoriaRecoomeGuldoGinyuFreeza [Z] (First form, Second form, Third form)#16Cell (Imperfect, Semiperfect, Super perfect)Super Buu (base, Gotenks, Gohan)Kid BuuFrost (1st Form, Final Form)Cabba (base, SS)Toppo (GoD)
>>483687931But anon, they're all Ginyu!
>>483688807I stole another anon's character list and made some improvements but then it was too long for one post fuck this gay site. Part 2/2Potential Characters no ToP (20 -> 156/164)Demon King Piccolo (base, Giant)General BlueAraleKing ColdMecha FriezaKing VegetaGoku [Child] (Great Ape)Gohan [Child] (Great Ape)CuiAppuleFrieza SoldierEvil BuuNailBabidiSaiyaman 2TagomaJacoChampaVadosPotential ToP Characters (15 -> 171/164)LavenderBasilKatopeslaGanos (base, transformed)Maji-KayoKahseralSaonelPilinaFrost (Assault)CawayBergamo (Giant)MagettaBotamoCabba (SS2)
>What do you mean people actually WANT to play as Great Apes?>Uh...>Better copy paste Vegeta doing the same basic combo and destroying some miscellaneous in the process>Yes, that should do it
>>483688807I think they might only do Frost's Final Form since it's parallel to Frieza and they're already not doing 1st Form Super Frieza. Also "Xenoverse 2 did it"
>>483688807>>483688905Also, while making/filling out this list it became increasingly apparent to me that GT and Z Movie characters are exceedingly unlikely to be in the base game.Like look at that shit, I barely included 4 OG characters and didn't pick anyone too crazy and I still ended up at 171 characters. 7 more than the actual roster size.And that's basically just all Z and Super characters.No fucking way are we getting GT in the base roster. That's just not going to happen.I mean fuck I just realized that I forgot to put Shin, Kibito OR Kibitoshin in the list too. There's probably other characters I forgot as well.There's not going to be any GT or movie characters in this game. There genuinely just isn't any space.
YESSSSSSSS WHO CARES ABOUT THOSE AWFUL MOVIE CHARACTERS WHEN WE COULD HAVE MORE SHITPER
>>483693520t. Bandai Namco.
>>483692820You okay? I mean maybe I'm just taking your lingo at face value but you kinda sound like you're freaking out
https://youtu.be/lATKhpHYx3E?si=ZeWGKGacQeZ-30kC
>>483694289Not clicking your clickbait
>>483694289The never-ending stream of cope content continues to spew forth from the mexican community.
>>483694289>SS4 Goku was in the teaser trailer where they were showing footage of the old BT games and just cycling through characters from those games>Therefore, all of GT is comfirmed and I have cut Piccolo from the game to compensateFucking lmao jesus.
>>483684889I thought 100% power freeza was naked jiren for a second
>>483693520t. Me. Unironic Barry Kahn Watagashbro btw.
>>483695073I couldn't get a good shot of him, Goku was beating his ass in that trailer.
>>483695073>Jiren (No-Pants Form)Would you main him?
Tournament of Power is the worst thing to happen to Dragon Ball
>>483695416Tournament of Power was based and I like how many characters from it we're getting.I hope we get at least another 10 ToP fighters in the base roster.
>>483695493actual unironic bot post
>>483695231>he’s so super he memorized the name of a filler villain because all of super is filler
>>483695532I think you mean unironic based, correct post.
>>483695574Barry Kahn is from Dragon Ball Z.
>>483695231I fucking hope he's in.Imagine the confusion, the butt-hurt, the rage of getting Barry Kahn (Possessed) revealed as a playable character in a trailer.It would be like getting fucking Purple Jelly Vegeta as a separate character.Fucking glorious.
just remember, if we weren't getting these ToP fodder now we'd be paying for this shit later
Funny how even for UI Goku (both versions) they haven't shown the one from the anime once, he always wears DBS BR/SH clothes.Also I SWEAR TO GOD I will murder someone if they do that shit of making UI Goku always have torn clothes instead of being normal battle damage
>>483695887You would, I could give a fuck about anallaza
https://youtu.be/z5T0PX3ISTIsharing this because its weridly hard to find this particular version of the dub, the kid buu voice coming from fat buu is bone chilling
Huh, the pic with all hexagons of characters separates UI-S Goku and UI Goku from the other Gokus from DBS, but the official site has them together, and more importantly the nomenclature is the same which indicates they aren't separate characters, there are only four playable untransformed Gokus so far>孫悟空 (a・前期)Son Goku (Z Early period)>孫悟空 (a・中期)Son Goku (Z Mid period)>孫悟空 (a・後期)Son Goku (Z Late period)>孫悟空(超)Son Goku (Super)I wonder how will that work given the transformation wheel. Maybe you just can't go UI from the start and you always have to go Sign first?
>>483697186>a・前期>a・中期>a・後期I don't know why those "Z" got turned into "a" when posting them (I literally copypasted from the official site) but you get what I mean
>>483697186Yeah, it's listed as if they are transformations for Goku (Super).I think using their positions on the hex grid to 'prove' that they're separate is sketchy at best. Especially when every other assumption people have made about the hex grid before this has been horribly wrong (remember when everyone was convinced that it was split up by Series/arc).
>>483695887That's precisely why they are doing this, they know nobody would pay for these trash characters so they are filling the roster with them and have people pay for what they actually would wantClassic Bandit Scamco
Hey I justed realized Goku and Vegeta now have the same amount of characters, and when kid Goku gets confirmed he will have more characters than Vegeta
>>483698756Daima will fix this
>>483698884I doubt Daima will have transformations, it will be just Daima Goku and Daima Vegeta. Even if you add GT they would still have the same amount>kid Goku>Goku Daima>Goku GT>SS Goku GT>SS3 Goku GT>SS4 Goku>Vegeta Daima>Vegeta Baby>Super Vegeta Baby>Super Vegeta Baby 2>Golden Ozaru Vegeta Baby>SS4 VegetaKnowing Toriyama, even if Daima has forms it will be just SS, meaning Daima's Vegeta would have two slots too
>>483698884>Goku (Kid) (Base, Oozaru)>Goku (Early)>Goku (Mid) (Base, SS)>Goku (End) (Base, SS, SS2, SS3)>Goku (Super) (Base, SS, SSG, SSB, Omen, UI)>Goku Black (Base, SSR)>Goku (Daima)>Vegeta (Scouter) (Base, Oozaru)>Vegeta (Early) (Base, SS, Super)>Vegeta (End) (Base, SS, SS2, Majin)>Vegeta (Super) (Base, SS, SSG, SSB)>Vegeta (Daima)That's 18 Gokus and 14 Vegetas. Even if you add GT Goku (Base, SS, SS3, SS4), GT Vegeta (Base, SS, SS4), and Baby Vegeta (Base, Super, Super 2, Super Oozaru), it'd still be 22 to 21.
>>483692820People were pointing this out even before Future Gohan, Bardock, Spopovich, and Yajirobe were confirmed. Why didn't you believe them?Hell, I'm surprised we might actually be getting Kid Goku.
>>483688905Kid Gohan doesn't need Oozaru, past games just had Oozaru Kid Goku in his place during the story mode. Also, I have a gut feeling Saonel and Pilina could be put together as a 2-in-1 character, with one summoning the other via supers Babidi-style. Also, since Tagoma died in the movie and got Ginyu'd in the anime, I feel like they could make him an unlockable Ginyu alt rather than his own character.>>483699915>>483692820Honestly speaking, with 54 character slots left, there's plenty of space to put all the remaining OG characters in while having more space left for others. But yeah, GT and Movies are definitely going to get the short end of the stick. Though I guess it makes sense from a business standpoint, people are gonna pay good money for Cooler, Janemba, and SS4 Gogeta.
>>483699495Ozaru isn't considered a Goku character since it's used for Gohan too, and Black isn't really Goku.
>>483700910Kid Gohan didn't transform into Oozaru outside of Tenkaichi's story mode, it's usually Kid Goku's transformation. Also, I added Goku Black the same way I added Baby Vegeta. Possession or not, they are both variations of Goku and Vegeta.
This trailer confirms Goku (Super) and Vegeta (Super) can fuse into SS Vegetto from Z, do you think Goku (end) and Vegeta (end) can fuse into the same Vegetto that can go SSB, or will they just make Vegetto and Gogeta exclusive to the Super versions of the fusees? Would be pretty funny if you were forced to pick up the Goku and Vegeta from Super to play as the Vegetto from Z
>>483701134>possession or notBaby is Vegeta possessed. Black isn't Goku possessed, he's not Goku at all, he only wears his flesh suit, no different from Ginyu after a body change.
>>483701213Goku (End) can indeed fuse into Vegetto, he has enough transformation wheels for it.
They buffed raiders too much in breakers. Only old weak raiders like Cell and Frieza should have gotten buffs like increased speed and instant descent. Shit like Broly is impossible to fight
>>483642440>>483642670Honestly, he looks pretty fucking good. Though I have to agree with (((my))) >>483644539 previous post, the FighterZ model is still the visual style I prefer. Shintani's style was nice, but I'd rather it didn't become the status quo over the more bulked up style in Z. SZ's style looks awkward at times with heads and chins in particular with some of the models but it's far from bad.
>>483701398Considering canon Gogeta is called "Gogeta (Super)", that could be Gogeta (Z)>main wheel = transformations>left wheel = fusion>right wheel = change characterCouldn't it? Or maybe the change character wheel looks different and I just don't know, I haven't checked many gameplays focused on the HUD
>>483701397Body Change IS possession, it's literally one person possessing another body in the simplest terms. And the flesh suit argument also works in favor for Baby since that's LITERALLY how Baby's possession works, smearing his own self into the open flesh of people's bodies, either through orifices or scars.
>>483701134Goku Black maybe counts as a Goku variant but Baby Vegeta is so wildly different that he should count as a separate character. Especially after he tranforms and the 'Baby' side overpowers the 'Vegeta' side.
>>483701649All of those are transformation/fusion wheels, character switching uses a diamond-shaped menu.
>>483701884No it's fucking not, Zamasu and Ginyu trade bodies in an equal exchange, Baby possesses a target, it's completely different.Baby Vegeta is Baby and Vegeta. Goku Black is Zamasu with Goku's body, Goku himself no longer exists there.
>>483701649i could see the (Super) being mostly to do with the inevitable Gogeta (GT) since Vegito doesn't have it, and Gogeta (Z) being the only movie character in base game (and an unnecessary one at that) would be pretty weird, but man it's gonna be strange having two Z characters fuse into a (Super) character
>>483701905Yeah, Baby does pretty much overwrite everyone he takes over.>>483702091I mean, by that definition, Baby Vegeta sounds more like a fusion than a possession.
>>483642670>>483642440>Fighter Z looks too bulky and plastic, SZ looks genuinely better.
>>483702259I hope they do like FighterZ and just use canon Gogeta instead, have a movie DLC trailer and when Janemba shows up have it fight pic related. No reason to ever bother with "Gogeta but with less personality, receding hairline and a different colored outfit"
>>483702259Z broly was already confirmed, one of the songs is named after him. Everyone is just being retarded doomers.
>>483702017>>483701398So it really works like pic related and you can have SSB Goku drop the form and fuse into SS Vegito or have SS2 Vegeta drop the form and fuse into SSB Gogeta. Weird, but nice, imagine if they let you mix them up and you can have Super!Goku and Z!Vegeta fuse
>>483703885>one of the songs' name kinda sounds like himThat's called copium, anon.
>>483703885Speaking of the song list, do you have the screenshot of it?
https://dragonballsparkingzero.com/charactersPost your main's pic.
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>>483703517Ah yes less personality, as opposed to literally just Vegito again
>>483705323>>483705412BASEDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSm2ilnNzhM
>>483705323Worship my radiant splendor, ningens.
>>483706043Yes I want my Goku and Vegeta fusion to have the fun, charming, smug and cool personality of a Goku and Vegeta fusion, rather than no personality whatsoever (Fusion Reborn) or being a glorified Gotenks (GT).They will never surpass this chad.
>>483705323>>483705412>>483706514>fusionnegrosKneel to the bean.
>>483706537Hmm well if you want that maybe you should ohhh idk BE a Vegitofag instead? Gogeta is Goku's righteousness and Vegeta's ruthlessness, DBS Gogeta is an improvement over the red-jobber but he still doesn't have the same AURA as Fusion Reborn.
>>483705323The slayer of Beerus, Broly, Jiren, and UI SHITku
>>483688905Why did you give King Piccolo a giant form?
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>>483642440I'm glad he got treated nicely, he's looking smoking hot.
>>483706514I’m really happy they added in his Angel Bird Avatar in this game. Has that ever appeared in a game outside of gacha?
>>483706873I don't have to pick, I like Gogeta and Vegito because both are cool as fuck. Z Gogeta falls short in comparison.>"aura"You sound like one of those guys who post Super screenshots redrawn into "Z style" but it's just everyone looking angry and constipated.
>>483703517This idea might work anon if outfits changing Supers is a thing for more characters. Just give Gogeta (Super) the orange vest and halo as a costume and he’ll be able to use the full Stardust Breaker combo.
>>483643340>>483643668>I'm glad they just went with Ultra Instinto instead of Doctrina Egoista or something like that"Doctrina Egoista"? What the fuck are you tal->FF 5 secs laterOh no... oh nonononono, it's Onda Vital all over again.This can't be real.It's the Onda Vital all over again!Hahahahaha, holy shit.
Anyone notice how DBS Future Trunks' ultimate is the attack he did on Android 14?
>>483705323I'm going to slap some bitches like it's 2017 XV2, respect the fucking grace of the gods or I'll spam Heavenly Arrows and ToD you with God Splitter.
>>483709665wonder why they didn't put that on DBZ base trunks, especially now lightning sword slash is just a super for DBS trunks (which is probably weirdly long since they just reused from DBZ base trunks)
>>483644687Thanks man, likewise.
>>483709540Egoista = Selfish?
>>483709916Not sure, though I have a feeling Lightning Sword Slash will still be DBZ Future Trunks' ultimate. If I remember correctly, his regular supers in BT3 were Finish Buster and Burning Storm.
Casual reminder that Toei’s blatant favoritism towards one piece is the reason why Dragon Ball Super had production issues and looked like trash and why Daima won’t be as impressive as it deserves to be. Toriyama literally died and they refuse to give it any kind of promotion. Hopefully the whole Capsule Corp thing finally means they can give the anime IP to a studio that’ll treat it right.
>>483646619The face and the Majin mark were a dead giveaway.Did anyone somehow think that wasn't him or something?
>>483710406Someone thought it was Pui Pui.
>>483705323Damn, Videl looks really good in this
>>483710590Spopovich...
>>483710268You dumbass, Toriyama's death IS the reason why Daima's promotional schedule has been backed up. Toriyama was practically the poster boy for the show, saying that he helped write and supervise everything, but then he died. It's kinda hard to promote a show with the creator's heavy involvement, only for him to die mid-production.
>>483709916Maybe Z base Trunks will have Burning Storm as his ultimate instead?
>>483710206Yeah."Doctrina Egoista" in English could be something like "Egoist Doctrine", "Selfish Doctrine", "Selfish Teaching" and there's a few other ways to go about it which I'm not gonna waste my time mentioning.It could also be twisted a bit. "Egoist's Way" or "Egoist Path" sound less bad for example, I guess.All of these, but more specially "Doctrina Egoista", sound worse than and lame compared to Ultra Instinct/Ultra Instinto though desu.
>>483710973What'll replace Burning Storm?
>>483709308That sure is a guy you made up in your head, but just for you I'll play the part and call you a Superbab.This is the objective ranking btw:Z-Gogeta > Z-Vegito > Blue-Gogeta > Blue-Vegito > GT-Gogeta
>>483711081Masenko maybe? It wouldn’t be out there for him to have it and I don’t believe they gave it to Trunks (Super).
>>483710490How?There's literally no way in hell anyone could confuse them.Look at Spopovich's and Pui Pui's faces for half a minute.
>>483711071That's more of an actual translation of Migattenogokui than Ultra Instinct then, what's the problem
>>483711330It sounds super lame and makes no sense in relation to what the form does in an actual fight.I personally don't see the relation betwen fighting by clearing the mind and being guided by your instinct and the idea of "being selfish".
>>483709269His Ult. in FighterZ.
>>483711252Base DBS Trunks has Masenko
>>483711706I don't know about how it sounds in relation to the rest of the dialogue but if it says roughtly the same as in japanese I don't see the problem
Yajirobe should shoot ki blasts in Sparking Zero.>b-butSaibaman and Guldo can usually shoot ki blasts in games despite never doing it in the manga or anime. Yajirobe can sense ki in the Saiyan arc, so he should be able to use blasts. Throwing rocks is retarded.
>>483712705Doesn't he shoot out blade slices?
>>483712964Only for the charged Ki Blasts.
>>483711974>Trunks>Solar Flarenani
>>483713350He had it in the DBS manga.
>>483653781I hope we get both.Giant characters are a staple of the BT series, so the more of those, the better, reskin or not.But I love me some SS1 Bardock. Chances are he'll be in regardless, the question is whether it'll be added as a usable character like in XV, Legends, Dokkan, Heroes, etc, etc or as an ultimate move like in FighterZ.
Are they reusing voices in Sparking?
>>483714983Yes.
>>483709308>it's just everyone looking angry and constipated.Buzzword for everything that isn’t waku waku retardation or thumb pose smirk smugness
>>483695851>3 forms, even a giant one, would actually fit perfectly within the gameWataGODS, we're in.
>>483646619cutscene only btw
>>483695851To be fair, Barry Kahn and Copy Vegeta do have more screentime than DBZ Gogeta.
I guess story mode/singleplayer content will be packed
>>483706873>Gogeta is Goku's righteousness and Vegeta's ruthlessnessHeadcanon due to the fact that the movie had to end in 5 seconds. Just because Goku and Vegeta get serious in fights when they have to doesn't mean that's how Gogeta actually is all the time. Even Toriyama's napkin sketch of him from like 2005 understood what a fusion of Goku and Vegeta would be like
>>483716929Gogeta smiled after dispatching Janemba, I see no incongruency here. The point is, if you think Gogeta should be indistinguishable from Vegito, apart from their appearance, then that's an unenlightened opinion.
>>483706537>rather than no personality whatsoever (Fusion Reborn)He has less than 1 minute of time on-screen.It's easier to think FR's Gogeta takes after Vegeta being more serious than playful.>or being a glorified Gotenks (GT).You mean like Goku?>They will never surpass this chad.Your "chad" is a redesigned Vegito, funnily enough.
>>483712054You mistake was expecting better. The spic doesn't care about accuracy or quality, the spic has such an inferiority complex they ditch actual spanish translations if they don't align with the english ones, regardless of which one is correct.
The thing is, it's not so simple. Ultra Instinct is called 身勝手の極意, the mastery/control/perfection/secrets/arts (極意 gokui) of the selfishness (身勝手 migatte), but there's a pun here since the japanese term for selfishness is written with the characters for "a body moving on its own" (身+勝手). It can't really be translated properly and convey both meanings at the same time. English one chose a "translation" that tries to convey the "moving on its own" part but unfortunately misses the chuuni while the Spanish apparently is a more literal one that misses the practical intent
Will we get Cauchunkla as a form?
>>483721272big boobs are problematic
>>483721407Not if you're fat.t. Ribrianne
>shenron hasn't shown up in at least 30 of my last 10 pulls in breakers This game needs a pity system so bad
>>483718826>thinks the Gogeta who literally plays with confetti is "like Goku" and not like GotenksDiscarded
Probably a little late but I made a list of all the blasts of the characters in the demo (sorry if some names are different in the english version, I mostly watched japanese videos)Goku (Z - Early)>Kamehameha, Kaioken Attack, GenkidamaGoku (Z - Mid)>x20 Kaioken Kamehameha, Kaioken Rush, GenkidamaSS Goku (Z - Mid)>Super Kamehameha, Meteor Smash, Kamehameha of FuryGoku (Z - End)>Kamehameha, Meteor Smash, Super GenkidamaSS Goku (Z - End)>Super Kamehameha, Super Energy Wave Combo, Instant Transmission KamehamehaSS2 Goku (Z - End)>Instant Transmission Kamehameha, Meteor Crush, Super KamehamehaSS3 Goku (Z - End)>Super Kamehameha, Super Dragon Twin Fist, Dragon FistGoku (Super)>Super Kamehameha, Dragon Burst, Super GenkidamaSS Goku (Super)>Super Kamehameha, Dragon Blast, Sonic BlastSSG Goku (Super)>God Kamehameha, God Impact, God Burst KamehamehaSSGSS Goku (Super)>God Kamehameha, "No Hard Feelings" Hit, Limit-Breaking God KamehamehaVegeta (Z - Scouter)>Garlick Gun, Final Garlick Gun, Dirty FireworksGreat Ape Vegeta>Super Mouth Gun, Continuous Super Mouth Gun, Super Garlick GunVegeta (Z - Early)>Garlick Gun, Super Energy Wave Combo, Super Explosive WaveSS Vegeta (Z- Early)>Maximum Flash, Cosmic Impact, Big Bang AttackSuper Vegeta>Big Bang Attack, Spirit Breaking Cannon, Final FlashVegeta (Z - End)>Double Garlick Cannon, Infinite Blaster, Big Bang AttackSS Vegeta (Z - End)>Big Bang Attack, Infinite Blaster, Infinity FlasherSS2 Vegeta (Z - End)>Final Flash, Infinite Blaser, Cosmic CircleMajin Vegeta>Final Impact, Big Bang Attack, Final ExplosionVegeta (Super)>Garlick Gun, Absolute Rush, Final FlashSS Vegeta (Super)>Garlick Rush, Garlick Uppercut, Final Garlick ExplosionSSG Vegeta (Super)>God Shine Attack, Gamma Fist, Prominence FlashSSB Vegeta (Super)>Final Flash, Gamma Burst Flash, Final God Explosion
>>483723750Gohan (Child)>Masenko, Gekiretsu Madan, Bakuretsu RanmaGohan (Teenager)>Bakurikimasen, Bakurikijungeki, Super KamehamehaSS Gohan (Teenager)>Bakurikimasen, Full Power Continuous Energy Bullet, Fraternal KamehamehaSS2 Gohan (Teenager)>Super Bakurikimasen, Super Bakurikishungeki, Super KamehamehaPiccolo>Bakurikimaha, Bakuretsumakoho, MakankosappoKrillin>Kamehameha, Dispersion Energy Wave, Continuous KienzanYamcha>Kamehameha, Wolf-Fang Fist, SokidanTenshinhan>Dodonpa, Kikoho, Shin KikohoTrunks (Future)>Masenko, Lightning Sword Slash, Shinning SlashSS Trunks (Future)>Garlick Gun, Final Flash, Final Hope SlashGogeta (Super)>Super Kamehameha, Super Explosive Wave, Big Bang KamehamehaSS Gogeta (Super)>Super Kamehameha, Meteor Attack, Stardust FallSSGSS Gogeta (Super)>Stardust Blaster, Meteor Explosion, Ultimate KamehamehaFreeza (Super)>Death Beam, Super Nova Strike, Super Death BallGolden Freeza >Great Death Beam, "No Hard Feelings" Hit, Earth BreakerMajin Boo>Boo Boo Game, Super Kamehameha, Angry ExplossionMr. Satan>Dynamite Kick, Present Bomb, Mr. Boo Pays a VisitBurter>Full-Power Energy Ball, Space Mach Attack, Purple Comet AttackAndroid 18>Infinity Bullet, Energy Wave, Sadistic 18Android 17 (Super)>Hight Power Blitz, Super Electric Strike, Barrrier ExplosionDoctor Gero>Full Power Energy Bullet, Bionic Punisher, 20 Draining LifeBroly (Super)>Full Power Energy Bullet, Gigantic Crash, Gigantic ImpactSS Broly (Super)>Gigantic Cannon, Gigantic Rage, Gigantic BallSS Full Power Broly (Super)>Gigantic Cannon, Blaster Meteor, Gigantic CatastropheBeerus>Sleep, Verdict of Destruction, Sphere of Destruction, Hakai Headshot, Super Sphere of DestructionBergamo>Wolfgang Penetrator, Danger Knuckle, Triangle Danger Beam
>>483723437>thinks the Vegito that literally vored Buuhan then defused in Buu’s stomach is “like Goku”Ignored.
>>483723750>>483723978I do like how despite some characters sharing the same attacks, the animations for them are more varied this time around.
>>483724419I don't know what's worse, that you are literally putting words in my mouth or that you didn't even type that correctly but I honestly don't care, take your "this fusion is more X than Y" headcanon back to /dbs/
Damn you guys hate /dbs/
>>483719959That's interesting.
>>483711071>All of these, but more specially "Doctrina Egoista", sound worse than and lame compared to Ultra Instinct/Ultra Instinto though desu.Both sound the same but Ultra Instinct sound generic. It's like calling a move 'Super Punch'.Doctrina sound less generic but also sound more like an all around fighting style rather than a state of being.Anyway the technique should have been left untranslated. Having 'Goku' in the technique's name is funny to me.
>>483725571We hate shitper here
>>483692820>didn't pick anyone too crazy>Giant King Piccolo>2 basic great apes>Maj-Kayo>Caway
>>483725998I agree, doctrine of selfishness sounds actually interesting like Migatte no Goku'i (goku isn't gokuu btw, but yeah it's close enough).Ultra Instinct sounds generic as fuck and it's a shame it's the official english name picked by nips, like how they also want jinzoningen translated as "androids" even if it's incorrect
>>483705323I'm glad they kept his roid rage form in the game
>>483725571We actually like DB here, so naturally we hate the DB shitpost general.
>>483719959Yeah, that is correct, and I personally value much more the practical approach over the more literal one."Doctrina Egoista" laughably bad and lame."Ultra Instinto" good and cool.
We?
>>483727780>Literal 'Latinx' tier cope
>>483692820You talk like it's either all of GT being base game or nothing, they can just add Goku, Vegeta and Gogeta and still sell DLC later, same way I don't expect there to be any Dragon Ball characters in base besides Kid Goku and Taopaipai
>>483726414>it's a shame it's the official english name picked by nips, like how they also want jinzoningen translated as "androids" even if it's incorrectFrance has been calling them 'Cyborgs' for decade and never budged from it.But then again, we don't even get dubs for the video games anymore.Half the country use the japanese name for UI.
>female character overload as the survivors (victims) in Breakrs>mind control, corruption, voreIs it me, or is Breakers a fetish game?
>>483727780I mean this with no ill intent, genuinely, but are you a spic? Because I don't see how could anyone see "the ultimate martial arts technique that separates the body from the mind to move it automatically in the best way possible" and think Doctrine of Selfishness doesn't work better than Ultra Instinct as translation of "Mastery of Selfishness" unless they are the kind of spic who posts stuff like SS4B or UISS.
>>483728498IIRC france calls ALL of them cyborgs, even the ones that actually are androids (like number 16 or number 19) so at the end it has the same exact problem
>>483723750where is the Goku End gameplay?
>>483729104Not really because every Gero work has a biological component, even 16 had blood. That's close enough.
>>483729525That's false and I don't know what adaptation you took that from, but in the original manga 16 is explicitly said to be completely mechanical.
>>483729870It's not false, we literally see his blood and his skin clearly is actual skin, just like the Terminator.Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3W-kW7bVDQ
>>483726647>grade 3 with Bojack unbound outfitI'll nut
>>483730171See >>483729870>I don't know what adaptation you took that from, but in the original manga 16 is explicitly said to be completely mechanicalI don't care if the anime adaptation made you think he's not 100% mechanical, the manga says otherwise (and I'm sure the anime actually adapted that line). Also IIRC Vegeta's line about 19's "blood" being possibly just oil is also in the anime too.
>>483729486Found somehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PdsUEFGE2Q
>>483724768I can think of something worse, taking it upon yourself to police the thread as if anyone gives a fuck about canon or sucks Toriyama dick like you and then samefag endlessly to pretend you’re not alone writing gay ass fan fic
>>483732850>babbling about canon and Toriyama out of nowhere just because I told him to not force his fanfic interpretationsThe meds, anon. Don't forget them.
>>483655569>but the handful of times you play as Chi Chi is mostly in her EoOG version with her kid version being second place.Really? I thought grown up Chi Chi was only playable in Super DBZ and I think Legends... But then again I can only think of BT3 where kid Chi Chi was playable.
>>483725571If you know what /dbs/ is like, you'd hate them too.
>>483654762Oh now I can see her... Took me days to actually see Chi Chi in this.
>>483733550Adult Chi-Chi>Super DBZ>Legends>Heroes>The Breakers>EvolutionKid Chi-Chi>Tenkaichi 3>Heroes
>>483702574>FighterZ >PlasticSZ is the one with the plasticky sheen. Just look at the shadows on his hand.
have they talked about the campaign for sparking zero? i kind of want to buy the ultimate edition but i would most likely just play the campaign and never touch it again.
>>483734808Lmao no, look at Black's stiff face, look at his hair, he literally looks like a plastic model. A good plastic model, don't get me wrong, but SZ Black looks way better, he looks like an actual being that moves and flows
>>483680801Off-screen, like everyone else.
>>483733964Isn't Kid Chi-Chi in Fusions too
>>483735772You can dress your character like her (no helmet tho).
>>483735772No, but you can unlock her outfit and attacks for your CAC if I remember correctly.
>>483736314It's weird, because I remember some of the OCs in the game have her helmet.
>>483735348>have they talked about the campaign for sparking zero?It's separated by characters like Budokai 3 (8 characters total, only confirmed one is Goku). You pic events from a grid, no world map free roaming. At certain points you can make choices that change the story, the one they have shown is refusing to work together with Piccolo at the start, which result in you fighting Raditz with Krillin instead. The trailer also shows Goku going Super Saiyan against Ozaru Vegeta, and Vegeta and Trunks defeating Cell with a Father/Son Final Flash.
>>483642670Left looks like Goku Black in a standard (badly animated) episode of Dragon Ball SuperRight looks like Dragon Ball Super if Yamamuro was still good and Toei cared enough to put more effort into anything other than One Piss.
>>483643340Legends >>>>>>>>
>confirmed (113/164)Goku [Boy]Goku [Early Z]Goku [Mid Z] (base, SS)Goku [Late Z] (base, SS, SS2, SS3)Goku [Super] (base, SS, SSG, SSB, UIS, UI)Vegeta [Z Scouter] (base, Great Ape)Vegeta [First half Z] (base, SS, Super)Vegeta [Late Z] (base, SS, SS2)Majin VegetaVegeta [Super] (base, SS, SSG, SSB)Gohan [Child]Gohan [Boy] (SS2)Gohan [Teen] (base, SS, SS2, Great Saiyaman)Ultimate GohanGohan [Future] (base, SS)PiccoloKurilinYamchaTenshinhanChaozuTrunks [Sword] (base, SS)Trunks [Fighter] (base, SS, Super)Trunks [Future] (base, SSR)Trunks [Boy] (base, SS)Goten (base, SS)Vegetto (base, SS, SSB)Gogeta [Super] (base, SS, SSB)Gotenks (base, SS, SS3)VidelMutenroshi (base, Max Power)ZarbonFreeza [Z] (Final form, Max power)Freeza [Super] (Final form, Golden)Cell [Perfect]Majin BooMr. SatanYajirobeBardockRaditzNappaSaibamanButtaJheese#17 [Z]#17 [Super]#18GeroDabraBroly (rage, SS, Full power)SpopovichBeerusWhisGoku Black (base, SSR)ZamasuMerged Zamasu (base, Half corrupted)HitCaulifla (base, SS2)Kale (base, SS, Out of control)Kefla (base, SS, SS2)Jiren (base, Full power)ToppoDyspoBergamoRibrianneKakunsaRosieAnnilaza>likely but not confirmed (28 more)BlueGohan [Boy] (base, SS)Zarbon (Monster)RecoomeGuldoGinyuFreeza (First form, Second form, Third form)#16Cell (Imperfect, Semiperfect, Super perfect)Super Buu (base, Gotenks, Gohan)Pure BuuJacoCabba (base, SS)BotamoFrost (base, assault form, final form)MagettaBasilLavendaToppo (GoD mode)
>>483739030uhh kid buu?
>>483741459He's using the Japanese names, Kid Buu is Pure Buu in Japan.
>>483736820i never played budokai 3, how long were those campaigns?
>>483739030>51 more character slotsFunny, there are 51 canon characters that appeared in Sparking Zero and are yet to be confirmed into Sparking Zero>Ozaru>teen Gohan>teen SS Gohan>fused Piccolo>Nail>Great Saiyaman 2>Shin>Kibitoshin>Ozaru Raditz>Ozaru Nappa>Freeza soldier>Appule>Cui>Dodoria>Monster Zarbon>Ginyu>Recoome>Guldo>1st form Freeza>2nd form Freeza>3rd form Freeza>Mecha Freeza>King Cold>King Vegeta>Ozaru King Vegeta>Android 19>Android 16>Imperfect Cell>Semiperfect Cell>Super Perfect Cell>Cell Jr.>Babidi>skinny Buu>Super Buu>Buutenks>Buuhan>kid Buu>Ozaru Bardock>King Piccolo>Tambourine>Pilaf Machine>Pilaf Combined Machine>Ackman>General Blue>Tao Pai Pai>Cyborg Tao>Chichi>Grandpa Gohan>Namu>Android 8>AraleWhich ones are getting cut for more Super characters? At least four of them are all but guaraneed to go (so Cabbe, SS Cabbe, GoD Toppo and Jaco can appear)
With DBS BR being the actual end of the story mode they really should add King Cold and King Vegeta (with his DBS BR as an outfit, same for Bardock), and I pic related makes it too, I want all daddies
>>483742491They are saving Freeza, Cell and Buu forms for the last huh
>>483742473Depends on the character. Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta got the longer campaigns while everyone else got increasingly shorter campaigns.
>>483695493>U4 and U10 still doesn't have any fighters (outside of Zamasu but I was talking about the ToP for the latter here)Yeah they should fix that
>>483728498>Half the country use the japanese name for UI.I fucking hate this. "Le Mi-Gâté"
>>483742491I could see ways to trim some fat...>Merge Appule and Frieza Soldier, while also giving him more alts like Raspberry>Since there's only one Piccolo in the game, Piccolo (End)'s moves will definitely be unlockable for the one Piccolo>Make Great Saiyaman 2 an alt for Videl, and her attacks as unlockable custom moves>Same as above, make Mecha Frieza an unlockable alt for Final Form Frieza>King Cold, King Vegeta, and Skinny Buu could easily be cut without many people caring>Oozaru Raditz and Nappa are what-if characters, so they could be cut too (maybe added back in a what-if DLC pack?)>Shin is a 50/50 chance, he's either in the base game or relegated to DLC (especially since he's a main character in Daima)
>>483731069>the manga says otherwise (and I'm sure the anime actually adapted that line)The manga doesn't say otherwise, you're just trying to force a false interpretation of a line there to mean '16 wasn't made from a human like 17 and 18'.
>Slug>Janemba>Hirudegarn>Baby Oozaru>Dr Wheelo>Cell Max>Orange PiccoloThere will be more giant DLC than in the base game itself...
>>483742491>that appeared in Tenkaichi 3 and are yet to be confirmed into Sparking ZeroSorry, brain fart
>>483745756I am surprised they made Giant Ribrianne an ultimate rather than her own playable character, but I guess that saves up a slot.
>>483745287I love it because it's objectively the best name.
>sword vs fists trailer>no Tapion/Super Janemba vs Hirudegarn/JanembaSucks to be the movie characters I guess
>>483745747First of all, yes, it does, read the manga. Second, even if you ignore pic related, your phrasing also confirms Android 16 wasn't a cyborg. A cyborg is a natural biological being enhanced by artificial parts, if Android 16 doesn't have a human base, if he wasn't a human modified by Gero, then it's by definition not a cyborg, even if they put real flesh and blood in him (which they didn't, but it wouldn't matter).
>>483746978Movie Bardock is in and the Japanese site finally added (Super) to DBS Broly. It's probably going to be the top 3 most popular movie villains with the third one being Cooler.
Considering how long lived Xenoverse 2 is I can see Sparking Zero adding manga characters after some years simply because they will run out of mainstream characters soon at this rate but sadly there's no way they will make enough characters for proper representation of the arcs, it would be too much work considering only a few would get proper attention>elder Moro>goatee Moro>adult Moro>prime Moro>cyborg Moro>angel Moro>Saganbo>Saganbo Moro mode>Seventhree>Zauyogi (for Tien, Chaozu and Yamcha representation)>Miza-Kikaza-Iwaza fusion (for Roshi and Krillin)>Yuzun (Zarbon asset flip)>Monster Yuzun (same)>Merus>angel Merus>Ultra Ego Vegeta>Granolah>Granolah (awakened)>kid Gas>kid Gas (berserker)>young Gas>adult Gas>adult Gas (awakened)>old Gas>undead Gas>Black Freeza>Saiyaman X1>Saiyaman X2And I would still leave behind some characters like Yunba, Shimorekka, Maki, Alpha 12, Beta 1, Dinodroid... The day they make a manga DLC it will probably be like 10 characters at best>prime, cyborg and angel Moro>Ultra Ego Vegeta>Granolah>adult, awakened, old and undead Gas>Black Freeza
>>48374574716 was a fucking full blown robot, manShenron couldn't even bring him back because of that very fact
>>483747593>Movie BardockWhat? No he's not, at least not y-oh you mean OVA Bardock. OVA Bardock's appearance is canon so he has a pass.
>>483742473>>483744861>Depends on the character. Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta got the longer campaigns while everyone else got increasingly shorter campaignsEven the "long" ones can be completed in 1 hours or so, but you need to play then multiple times to see al alternate paths.
>>483747584Any mix of mechanical and biological parts is a cyborg.
>>483748353As long I can kick UI Goku, UE Vegeta and Beast Gohan's asses with UI Moro, old Gas and Black Freeza I will be happy.
>>483748498He was a fully artificial being with skin and blood, that's what is said and shown.
>>483646945>Fu turns someone purple and/or makes the person fighting them weaker>TP sends you to fix it>TP also sends special guest star to help>You beat them together and a cool pre-rendered cutscene (which I swear is looking worse these days) plays>Fu sneaks away and does it all again half a year later>And you get a handful of characters, some of them long overdue and should have been in the base game That's been the DLC for the last 6 years. Now they just added a new Supervillain mode
>>483748767No, anon, you could built a robot and slap a real human heart into its chest and it wouldn't be a cyborg, but leaving aside the fact you don't know what you are talking about I just gave you proof of Android 16 being an entirely mechanical construct.End of discussion.
>>483749176>No, anon, you could built a robot and slap a real human heart into its chest and it wouldn't be a cyborg,If the heart is working and connected to the machine, it would be.>I am wrong so End of DiscussionAn attempt was made.
>>483749176Any mix of human and robot is a cyborg, be it robot-base with human stuff or human with robot stuff.
>>483748925I'm gonna break your legs artificially
>>483749891>>483749679Samefagging won't save you, and no definition of cyborg would, either, since the manga outright states Android 16 is entirely robotic >>483749176 >>483747584Not "robotic with x exception", but "entirely robotic". No more (You)s until you learn to read, frog.
If 17 and 18 didn't have bombs, they wouldn't even count as cyborgs since they have 0 mechanical component outside of it.
>>483750241Yeah, 17 and 18 are more like... that Armstrong guy from Metal Gear. The enhancements are almost at the cellular level. But not like Cell, that guy was grown to be that way, and the twins were kidnapped humans.
>>483750241No, they are still cyborgs because their modifications were done to a celular level, the bombs are just the only "basic machinery" part they had, hence why Shenron could remove those but not turn them back into natural human lifeforms.
>>483750082Yes, 16 wasn't made from a human, he is an entirely artificial being with blood and skin.>>483750186>The definition of the word doesn't matter because I'm pretending I can't read and don't understand the clear intent behind my shitty Viz translation>I am running away until you stop proving me wrongCool story, anyway any mix of biological and mechanical makes a cyborg.
>>483750485>No, they are still cyborgs because their modifications were done to a celular levelDoesn't matter, those modification are purely biological and thus they aren't cyborgs outside the bombs by any definition of the word.It's not like their cells were replaced by nanites or something.>>483750478Cell is a purely biological artificial being who also only qualify because of the bomb. Otherwise he wouldn't be a cyborg at all.Just like 16 wouldn't qualify outside the blood and skin.Hell, Terminator playing with that is literally how the T 800 could time travel despite only organic material surviving time travel.
>>483750969We don't know that, Gero could have used nanomachines on every cell of their bodies for all we know.
>>483751526Doesn't Bulma say their modifications were organic after looking at their blueprints?
Waku! Waku! "The boss", huh? Sounds tough! Lemme have a go at'cha, Kai lady!
>>483646619
>>483646619o
>>483753176>>483753423Give it up, retard. You lost.
>>483753627Will you bow and apologize to Pui Pui Chads once he's confirmed?
>>483754228No because that screenshot is Spopovich.
>>483753627Where's his ears??? Spopuivich is real, and when the game comes out you will look such a fool.
I'm seeing some confusion here so I will post what the manga says>#16 and #19Entirely mechanical robots. Look pretty similar to humans, but are built from nothing.>#17 and #18Former humans modified at celular level with organic components and a few mechanical parts (suicide bomb and shutdown circuits).>#20 (Gero)Former human modified mechanically into a robot (only confirmed human remain is his brain).
Maybe I just got lucky but second day against Baby already feels better. Fellow survivors actually pinged his location in my games and people obeyed those pings. People sure adapt fast in this game
>>483754872And partially unrelated but both Cell and Cell Max are original lifeforms born of cultivated cells of other species. No, Cell Max isn't mechanical, the cells thing is actually mentioned by Hedo.
>>483756732Why did Hedo give Cell Max timbs?
>>483756732Beasthan is probably the strongest of the group there
>>483756732>Angel perfect Cell vs Daima Gohan
>>483754872This is as explicit as it gets. Frenchfag... LOST
I'm surprised no one's brought up that they totally just slapped King Vegeta's voice line into the Dabura section by accident, cause that certainly isn't Rick Robertson at 1:36 (not even modern Rick), it's Sabat.https://youtu.be/NDGeWO_am1c?t=93
>>483761805Someone mentioned it last thread, but unless that's an actual reused line from Tenkaichi 3 I will just attribute it to Dabura's actor being fingered while recording
>>483756732>>483754872Android 8 = Robot based on Frankenstein's monsterAndroid 9 = Robot based on Red Raibon (according to DB Online)Android 13 = Modified human (supposedly since he can be affected by Babbidi's magic in DB Heroes)Android 14 = Robot (apparently)Android 15 = Robot (apparently)Android 16 = Robot based on GevoAndroid 17 = Modified humanAndroid 18 = Modified humanAndroid 19 = Robot (apparently)Android 20 = Modified humanAndroid 21 = Homunculus based on VomiAndroid 25 = Robot (supposedly since she's based on Android 19)Android 26 = Modified human (supposedly since he's based on Android 17)Android 33 = No idea, DB Fusions stuffAndroid 44 = No idea, DB Fusions stuff Android 55 = No idea, DB Fusions stuff Android 76 = No idea, DB Fusions stuffAndroid 8000 = Robot (supposedly since he's based on Android 8)Android 19000 = Robot (supposedly since he's based on Android 19)New Android 16 = Robot based on Android 16Hellfighter 17 = Robot based on Android 17Doctor Android = Clone of Android 20 (whatever that means, DB Online is weird)Alpha Androids = Modified human (corpses)Beta Androids = Modified human (corpses)Gamma Androids = Robots (apparently)Cell = HomunculusCell Junior = Homunculus clone of CellNew Cell = Homunculus based on CellCell Max = Homunculus based on CellGenome = HomunculusThose should be all Gero (and Hedo) "artificial people" and derivates, I think I'm not missing anyone
Baby is so broken in the breaker, haven't won a single match against him, he always downs 2-3 players before even hitting lvl 2
>>483761805>>483762378Here's some King Vegeta voice clips from BT3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUIm9BEgOew
>>483762960If you see him, leave the area immediately and ping location to teammatesIf a teammate pings his location and he's near you, leave the area immediatelyIf you hear his teleporting sound leave immediately and ping the area you were inDon't enter caves or buildings if you hear any foosteps at allBaby has a long cooldown for his fake scream of help, if you notice a civilian only talks once and then stays silent for like 10 seconds leave and pingAs you can see sharing info is key so here's the most important tip: pray your teammates are competentI think he's going to become worse as people get used to his level 1
>>483710921Even before Toritama died, they still didn't advertise it much, it only got two trailers and not much was talked about it.
>>483765938What more could they show without spoiling, I remember when people deduced Superhero’s plot through the poster but then we got Beast and Orange so I’ll keep my fingers crossed for SS4
>>483710268I'll never understand what happened for One Piece to suddenly get pushed so much while DB was gimped like crazy.>>483710921Nah, that stuff has been going on since at least Super Hero and even DBS Broly has issue in terms of not being released in enough theaters.
why do some people call it SS and why do others call it SSJ?
>>483766546>What more could they show without spoilingLiterally anything? What do we know beyond Goku and co being turned into kids? We don't know even 2 of the main characters this time around if the leaks for Magic at still valid and they didn't change since.
>>483767131I'm pretty sure SSJ is a term mostly used in countries where spanish is the main language
>>483767131Video games. Some translations had the characters called 'SS X' and others had 'SSJ X'.The fact that romanization is not an exact science and you get one version that says Supa Saiyajin and another that says Supa Saiya-Jin.
>>483767501I don't remember any official translations using J, or even abbreviating Super Saiyan at all for that matter. I don't think that started happening until the west adopted Japan's usage of SSGSS.
the answer is always spics
>>483767131nipponese purists
>>483767349Not really, it's also used in most of Europe.
>>483767131It depends on whether you know it as "Super Saiyan" or "Super SaiyaJin".
>>483768003Most people during '90s internet had their style guides, independent of official translations. Folks online were talking about stuff like super saiyan before it ever aired on Toonami, and a bunch of their translation choices could be very weebish, for lack of a better term. Lots of saiya-jins and Bejitas and Burumas.>>483767131The "SSJ" abbreviation from old weebs spread across discussions and fanfics like wildfire. People outside of their circle didn't question where the "J" came from, they just knew it meant super saiyan, so that was what they used. Anyone who personally abbreviated it without any prior fandom interactions would've used "SS", and it's the same today.
>>483767501Don't forget old school fan subs and scans for the english version.
I'm disconnecting every time I come across one of these ugly ass super characters
>>483769379If you insist upon it as "SaiyaJin" you're doing it wrong, and you're a clear gaijin.Japan never abbreviates it as "SSJ" because "Jin" isn't a separate word; "Saiyajin" is one whole wordMuch like "ESL" is the abbreviation for "English Second Language" and not "ENSL"
>>483769727>Burumas.That's objectively better because at least it's stay close to the japanese word.Personally, I'd have never made the connection between Bulma and Bloomers, they don't even slightly sound alike.
>>483769727SSJ is definitely more weebish, and that's a good thing.
>>483769876You don't like kung-fu magical girl?
>>483769876Easy wins against this cuck, everyone spam the monke girls, Blacks, and Jacos at him!
>>483769953Japan never abbreviate it as SSJ because that's not how kanjis work so they just copy paste what the US did.They do that even when the US blatantly get shit wrong.
>>483769876>turning down the opportunity to ryona the shit out of the ugly super charactersyour loss, man
>>483769876I'm picking one of those cute Super characters whenever I come across you.
>>483770196Why you lyingWhy
>>483769992Blame Toriyama for putting "BULMA" on her dress.
>>483769876I would have prefered the pink cat, the tree guy and the dragon guy, they look cool
>>483770721Still enough room for all of them
>>483770438>so they just copy paste what the US didWhy can't you read?
>>483770593I still don't get how you go from Buruma to Bulma but I'm not japanese so maybe it made sense to them.
>>483770886Maybe one of them
>>483770959That's not "what the US does" though, that's just how they abbreviate "Saiyajin" into the Latin alphabet.
>>483767131It's just how I always saw it written so I'll just continue to write it like that. Everyone knows what you mean when you say SSJ, so I don't see any reason to stop adding the J just because it upsets some fags
>>483770721Maybe as DLC
Osu~
>>483748353They will add manga characters once those arcs get animated.Which will probably happen in another 4-5 years.
>>483771347Do you call the blue haired genius slut "Bulma" or "Buruma"Do you call the fight happy monkey boy "Son Goku" or "Son Gokuu"Do you call the short angry jobber prince "Vegeta" or "Bejita"
I use SSJ because SS was already taken by Nazi Germany and I like being clear.
>>483771378I doubt it bro, no one would buy them, that is why i am happy everytime an unpopular unexpected character is in the base roaster, gt, the movies, all that shit as dlc will sell like warm breed
>>483770593>>483771152He was just trying his best without knowing English. He wrote it as "Bloomer" on some newer stuff, which is much closer to what her name actually is.
>>483771636>"Buruma">Son Goku" >Vegeta"Is how I roll personally.>>483771439I hope not. Those characters suck.
>>483771684...warm what now?
>>483771636Buruma.Songokuu.Bejiita.Kuririn.Tenshinhan.Chaozu.My heroes.
>>483771860Bread lmao
>>483771684Maybe once Superhero and Daima are out of the way, they could sell packs that have both popular and obscure characters bundled together.
>>483771740Forgot to add, when you consider her name is actually "Blooma", "Bulma" doesn't feel like it'd sound too far off to a Japanese guy.
I have audio proof of Vegeta calling it "Saiyan" in Japanese, pronounced "Sai-ya-n"
>>483733964Ah thank you. Wasn't aware adult Chi Chi showed up in so many games, much less Breakers.
I don't mind either names for basically any of the characters (even if Tien is dumb to me).Only thing I can't stand is making up family names for the characters like Videl Satan, Bulma Briefs or Ox Chichi. It's literally a plot point that the vast majority of the DB world doesn't use family names and thus Goku's family is a rare case.
Noa sdbh has uploaded some SEC footage for those that want to see some new cards in actionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTSVZk4hCLg
>>483772054That actually sounds possible
>>483772086It is funny how aside from Tenkaichi and Super DBZ, every other game Chi-Chi appeared in were developed by Dimps.
>>483772162I like how this Scouter Vegeta actually looks like he did back in the day, round beady eyes and oversized armor.
>>483752007Yes.
>>483772107The name thing isn't a concept that exists in the dub (Z and Kai both rewrite the scene where Videl brings it up), so anyone who doesn't read the manga or watch the sub wouldn't know that. Plus, the dub really likes giving characters last names, and while Funi seemed to be doing away with that post-2010 (save for "Tien Shinhan"), they brought back "Hercule Satan" for Super Hero, so...That said, I've never seen or heard anyone use "Ox Chichi".
>>483757125what are timbs?
>>483771636>Bulma or BurumaBulma>Son Goku or Son GokuuSon Goku>Vegeta or BejitaVegetaLike I said, it's just how I saw it abbreviated back in the day all the time, so it stuck with meNo deeper weeb meaning behind it. I don't even think the "Saiyajin" part, it's still just Saiyan in my head when I read SSJ
>>483771636はい!!!
>>483773845Lumberjack shoes
>>483771426this goku doesnt feel right... i dont like this...
>>483769876Roasie is cute.
>>483772364I didn't even notice that, there must be a few people who like her.
>>483774575Every moment you spend making Chi-Chi is time that could be spent on giving Jiren jiggle physics.
>>483774981I think it's hilarious Freeza found this planet and left it at best a few hours after Gas' wish to become the strongest in the universe was made.
>>483769953I don't know what to say bud. Some translation just call it saiyajin, I didn't do it. I think it just works better in some languages than others. For english I personally think just saiyan sounds the best.
>>483774981>10 fucking years in this place
>>483774237
>>483775251you see freeza really hates those monkeys and 10 years in that place is nothing to 15 years stuck in a cocoon with a bunch of fairies and happy creatures
>>483773823Which is why the dub is shit.
>>483775285Oh what the fuck
>>483775251Given it was 10 years, it's clearly a little different in the least.
>>483775153Yeah. Of course Elec had no way of knowing this would bite him in the ass because he had no idea where Frieza was at the time. Had he made his wish on Gas *after* Frieza finished his training, his plan might have worked.
>>483774981Frieza did 1 push up each year.10 years = 10 push ups
>>483767131Canonically there was never a J
>>483775520The chamber Goku and Merus were in looked very similar to the one on Earth. It's safe to say Frieza's chamber follows the same aesthetics.
>>483775285Can you also coerce Dimps to make the blessed WM2 so that I can give the you and friends the SECs you all deserve? Maybe it's something to ask Bulma about? SDBH WM2 would sell a lot better than whatever her bootleg is.Cooked up a couple of decks for the SECs, Vegeta truly is pants on head retarded but all is fine as SS4 Gogeta picks up the slack in power and grace while the god-ki retards either try to break the law of physics or rewrite our comprehension of the human mind.>Linkhttps://rentry.org/mm5roundup
>>483767131SSJ means Super Saiya-Jin. It's the Japanese terminology, weebs use it because they think it makes them cool. >>483769992Japanese is syllabic, so they pronounce Bloomer as Buruma (they're also non-rhotic, a relic of British influence on their 'official' English in the 19th century). Because Toriyama doesn't speak English, he tried to guess how to properly write 'Bloomer' in Latin and guessed wrong. He assumed that 'bloo' was 'Bul' and 'mer' was 'ma'.
>>483775609>Had he made his wish on Gas *after* Frieza finished his training, his plan might have worked.the wish would have killed gas. black freeza was on a different realm of power. the wish to surpass his power would have reduced gas to ashes. an near dead old man at best.
>>483775825>10 push-ups in 10 yearsThen what the hell did he do for the remaining 3,640 days?
>>483767131
>>483776248beat up on the punching bag of goku he created.
>>483773845>what are timbs?
>>483776248He started breaking it down. Where do you think Ginyu got his moves?
>>483776007Weebs use it incorrectly because it's formally "Saiyajin" and not "Saiya-Jin" or anything of the like. It's part of the whole word.
>>483776486>spend 3,640 years beating up on a punching bag based on your mortal enemy >becomes strong enough to oneshot mortal enemy >doesn't finish him offFrieza must have been having a really good day.>>483776876>dancing in the void I guess he just misses the Ginyu Force.
>>483776248They were very big pushups.
It's SSJ because the J stands for Jiren and they were foreshadowing Jiren the grey.
>>483777271>struggling to do a pushup Weak
>>483777518>puts the entire dimension on his back>weak
>>483777341I contacted Toriyama via a seance and he told me this was true.THE J
>>483776891I wrote it that way to put emphasis on the J.
>>483777174>guess he just misses the Ginyu Force.i'd miss them too if my current force is practically a joke. the freeza force lost so many of their elites and prospects to where they pretty much have no one else of value who can be considered of elite quality. sure there's macki and oil but those two are wageslaves in the kitchen. imagine if freeza somehow manage to bring back the ginyu force and had them thrown in the room of spirit and time in order to boost their strengths. they're mutants like freeza so they should see substantial gains. enough to threaten goku's pals on earth.
>>483776408>ssdsolid state saiyansuper solid statesolid snake saiyanSuper solid snake
>>483777713>THE Jhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNm5eb97Y0g
>>483777692>can't properly pace himself Foolish.
>>483775285hmm yes very good
>>483775487I see you're a Broly kind of guy>>483775886Anything for you, Heroesanon
When sparking Zero comes out I'll only play hulking BEASTly Super/z/Bio ALL of them.
>>483777928Since Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo are all relatively close to each other in strength now, the Ginyu Force's training might not be enough to surpass those guys and would need Frieza to handle them. They could deal with the weaker guys like Buu, Goten, Trunks, 17, 18 and the Earthlings.
>>483778609freeza managed to raise his strength from weaker than a super saiyan from namek to stronger than a super saiyan blue with just 4 months of training. since the ginyus are also gifted mutants like freeza, they could potentially see similar gains in a shorter time. maybe not as high as freeza's but enough to give the big dogs some trouble.
>>483778563No! NO! THIS IS NOT MY BROLY!!!
>>483778563Hot
>>483778563Why would Paragus dress his daughter this way
I like doing these joke screenshots, gives a smile once they're done
>JOBren the GAY
>>483779801He's still stronger than Goku.
>>483775853>>483775251My head canon is all the entrances are in the same dimension but the distance between the entrances is the same as it is outside
>>483779657The photo mode is quite powerful. I'll tell myself I'll be quick with it and then end up spending like 4 hours working on something
>>483780320Not a bad theory.
>>483780320I guess nothing disproves that theory. No one has been crazy enough to go far out from the entrance.
>>483780409The only gripes I have is that you can only use 2 characters and you can't make 'em pose, would love to some fusion poses while the enemy looks on in amazement or fear, I hope SZ has a better photo mode than Xenoverse's
>>483779801You won't say that when he comes back stronger than ever
>>483780829He's weaker than all the U7 big dogs now
>>483775520it might not have been ten consecutive years
>>483767131Because some people (the ones using SSJ) are wrong and gay and stupid and mexican.
>>483781161Isn't the time limit cumulative though? That's what makes me think it's something different.
>>483781161I'm pretty sure it was consecutive. Frieza's dealt with being stuck in a place for a long time for many years. He can handle this.
>>483781414iirc popo says you can't spend more than three years in there at a time as a rule, because you'll go insane
>>483762551It's my personal headcanon that Dr. Hedo's Alpha and Beta series androids are made using the same methodology/technology as Android 8 (feels like it would make sense since they're both cases of early models from their respective creators).
>>483781414Frieza's chamber might not have the same limits the chamber on Earth has. I don't remember if there was a limit with the chamber Goku and Merus used.
>>483781979Well that and the door apparently disappears on you and you can never leave that place.
>>483781979Probably due it being a white void.Maybe Frieza took his whole ship and just lived in it comfortably working while having training montage music blaring since no one can stop him.
>>483762551The Cell Juniors actually aren't clones, they legitimately are Cell's children. After absorbing Android 18 he became capable of asexual reproduction.And no, asexual reproduction isn't the same as cloning, similar, but not the same (most importantly, the offspring with asexual reproduction are not genetically identical to the parent, clones are identical).
>>483782282>says he spent 10 years training there>actually trained for like 2 and the rest of the time he was just sitting back in his ship sipping wine and OHOHOHOHOHO'ing
>>483782261>the door apparently disappears on youI don't remember that
>>483782282Ehhh idk. If the chamber Frieza used has the same door like the chambers on Earth and with the Galactic Patrol, I don't think his ship could fit....
>>483776023Yeah, that's the important part to remember about that "I wish to become the strongest in the universe" thing, it's not free, it consumes your lifespan equivalent to the power you obtain.Just becoming stronger than Vegeta and Goku cut his lifespan down to a fraction of what it was. Surpassing Black Frieza probably would have cut him down to a few days left to live at most.
>>483782110>I don't remember if there was a limit with the chamber Goku and Merus used.that chamber has it that three days of training inside counts as one day on the outside. so time works differently there compared to earth's.we don't exactly know how time works in freeza's chamber. he said he got 10 years worth of training inside but we don't know how long that was on the outside. 10 days? 3 days? a day?
>>483782803If gas was smart he would have wished for more hidden potential then unlocked his powers without killing himself.
>>483782495>2 years and drinking wine made him strong enough to oneshot UI/UE/Gas with no effortinsanity
>>483782601Could have sworn Mr. Popo told Vegeta back in the Cell arc that if you exceed your time limit, the door disappears on you and you can't leave.
>>483783097You misread 2 years of training 8 years of drinking wine likely losing muscle mass from not training.
>>483782803surpassing black freeza would have just flat out killed him imo. at best, he'd be a walking corpse or a near dead old man. there is no way he'd survive a day. surpassing goku, vegeta and granolah made him into an adult and then when those guys got stronger, he also had to get stronger which drained more of his lifespan. freeza is eons above goku, vegeta and granolah so trying to surpass his power would have taken practically all his lifespan.
>>483782985the thing is, he didn't make the wish. elec did.
I don't understand this move. What happened to Yajirobe's sword?
>>483783324he might as well had just left after 2 years inside that place. spending 8 years drinking wine is too excessive and colossal misuse of the chamber.
>>483783714it flew out of his hands because his grip slipped. the second half is krilling coming in with it and attacking your foe from behind
>>483783714I think it might be part of one of Yajirobe's supers.Yajirobe often has comedic attacks where he fucks up but it somehow still manages to hit his opponent.
>>483783714still surreal they kept yajirobe and spopovitch. so happy.
>>483783489How much do you think Goku and Vegeta have managed to catch up with Frieza since the end of that arc?We know they've been working towards that, but it's unclear how much time has actually passed in the manga between the end of the previous arc and the ending of the Super Hero arc.
>>483784168>How much do you think Goku and Vegeta have managed to catch up with Frieza since the end of that arc?given goku voicing his uncertainty in fighting him to cheelai, i think he and vegeta are still far behind freeza.i think the gap between the end of those arcs are by several months to a year. super hero takes place in 783 and iirc, granolah is somewhere in 781 or 782.
>>483784168Frieza had 4 months and he managed to surpass their SSB forms the first time and spent months in a cocoon again doing image training in order to match their powered up SSB forms. 10 whole years of training in the RoSAT. There's no way Goku and Vegeta will catch up to him that fast. The gap is too big.
>>483783934>Yajirobe often has comedic attacks where he fucks up but it somehow still manages to hit his opponent.That's dumb though because he's a professional swordsman. He was only clumsy against Base Vegeta because he was scared of him and started attacking with his eyes closed.
>>483785228>oneshotted one of King Piccolo's kids who gave Goku troubleYajirobe was wasted potential. Imagine if he wasn't so lazy.
>>483783832>the second half is krilling coming in with it and attacking your foe from behindThat would be lame, I hope it's Korin trowing the sword back at him so Yaji deals the finishing blow himself.
>>483785381>Yajirobe was wasted potential. Imagine if he wasn't so lazy.He would be Krillin tier at best, humans are hardcapped
>>483785462might also just be the sword falling down from above if it flew up into the sky
>>483785634I doubt. I feel he would have been stronger than Krillin tbqh.
>>483785634wasn't yajirobe already stronger than tien, krillin and yamcha at his debut? goku seemed real impressed by his strength.
>>483785806He climbed Korin's tower with Goku on his back faster than Goku did and Goku was slightly stronger than Tien who was stronger than Krillin and Yamcha.So yeah. Yajirobe most definitely dunks on the other Earthlings and he doesn't even use ki.
>>483786051Chiaotzu’s Dodon Ray was stronger than Krillin’s Kamehameha according to Roshi.
>>483786729And Krillin won by having more skill and intelligence so it doesn't matter.
>>483786729So? We know specific ki-attacks are much stronger than the users themselves.
>>483786051My headcanon is that if Yajirobe actually trained like Goku he would be the strongest being period.Limitless potential that he just never uses or taps into because he's lazy.
>>483783097It was really good wine.
>>483787170it is a colossal waste of the chamber's usage. goku, vegeta, gohan, trunks, piccolo, goten and trunks have all busted their backs in that chamber and freeza just sits and drinks fucking wine in there? he can do that in his ship already. what a fucktard lizard.
>>483785634Yajirobe is a mutant like how most of the Frieza Forces are to their respective races.
>>483787013Exactly. Yajirobe is a lazy genius. His laziness won out in the end but had the guy really applied himself to training, he'd have been a monster I feel. Even for a human. He's fast and crafty enough to cut off Vegeta's tail even after Vegeta managed to evade a sneak attack from Krillin prior to that.
>>483787440this. had yajirobe not been a lazy asshole, he'd be a beast and be the only human who can still contend with goku.
>>483787440Zarbon and Dodoria are mutants too?
>>483785634>humans are hardcappedThat's not true, Krillin was relative to 18 after training with her and Goku before the ToP. Majora one-shotted 18 out of her guard but Krillin was able to exchange blows with him and defeat him. Krillin also kicked Cell Max hard enough to make him spit and he was able to lift Max's foot further when he helped Orange Piccolo.Back in Z, the humans didn't even bother with gravity training or the RoSaT. Tenshinhan declined the room because he thought it wouldn't make a difference against Cell. The human's problem is literally just that they don't try hard enough after Namek. We already know they have high potential because they got better gains than Goku did with Kami's training, and Kaio said Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chaozu and Piccolo all reached his planet much faster than Goku did.
>>483787856yeah. zarbon has the ability to transform and back then, that was a big deal because not every being had the ability to multiple their power further through transformations.
>>483787878>We already know they have high potential because they got better gains than Goku did with Kami's training, and Kaio said Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chaozu and Piccolo all reached his planet much faster than Goku did.Yeah. This alone pretty much shows that the humans COULD have kept up with Goku and showed better results and higher gains than Goku did when utilizing the training methods he used. It was like they gave up after Super Saiyan became a thing and then didn't utilize any more efficient training methods. No gravity rooms like what Goku and Vegeta used and skipping out on the RoSAT(which Tien was offered the chance at it but he chose not to and chose to keep training with....Chaotzu). Because they lost the resolve to catch up to Goku, they just stopped taking on better opportunities to increase their strengths. It feels like a waste especially for Tien who was the most determined to catch up to Goku back in the days.
>>483787878yeah. i think krillin's training with 18 atleast did him some wonders. helps given 18 was way stronger than krillin.
>>483787856yes. the average member of their species is way weaker than them
>>483787987>>483788808Zarbon also used to be the prince of his people iirc. Explains his appearance. But Frieza or Cold ended up conquering his planet and took him along since he was the strongest of his race.
>>483788335Chaotzu holds Tien back.
>>483788994yeah I was just thinking the majority of the frieza force were probably living as kings before aliens came down from the sky and forced them to join the army
>>483789179Tao said as much as well. Even when Tien forbade Chaotzu to join in the later fights, Tien's training options was handicapped by Chaotzu.
>>483789315Yeah. Frieza likely kept Vegeta around for the same reasons as Zarbon and other elites. Strongest of their race which would make good soldiers for the Frieza Force. Nappa and Raditz were just extras who were lucky to be with Vegeta at the time.
>>483788335>then didn't utilize any more efficient training methods.Those methods were more efficient but 1: Harder to actually do, 2: Harder to figure out in the first place and 3: Required more skill to get the most out of it.At the end of the day, Goku was the most determined and skilled of the bunch, it's really that simple.Goku's only really pure advantage he has as a saiyan was the SSJ and even that isn't really a hard wall, since moves like the Kaioken exist.Hell, Krillin's 'Nothingness State' form in DBS seemed just as good if not better.
>>483789592goku's pure advantage is that his damaged brain lets him train himself to near-death nonstop for years without experiencing the least bit of negative consequence to his mental or emotional wellbeing. no matter how grueling the training is,
For the record, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chaozu had no problems standing and floating in 10 times gravity while Goku could barely move.They should improve with gravity training just as easily as the Saiyans.
>>483789592>1: Harder to actually do,You could have said the same with Kami and Kaio's training too and yet they managed to get it done. >2. Harder to figure out How?>3. Required more skill to get the most of itI think they were plenty skilled enough that they could have found ways to make it work.Goku ended up being the most determined due to his Saiyan blood. But that isn't an excuse for the humans to just give up. As you mentioned, Kaioken and other special techniques exist and Krillin acquired that Nothingness State you mentioned as well. Showed there were still avenues for the humans to get even stronger.
>>483790097And both sides all had training under Kami so this is a case of the humans simply being better than Goku in this instance and had the potential to keep up if they tried. Bulma could have gifted them with the gravity room. Yamcha was still sorta dating her at the time when he came back to life so he could have just took advantage of that.
>>483785228That's the thing, his ultimate is literally a reference to the Vegeta "fight", at least it was in BT3.
>>483790167>Goku ended up being the most determined due to his Saiyan bloodGoku's saiyan blood has nothing to do with his determination to improve himself, Saiyans just like fighting, they don't care about self improvement. He got that from Grandpa Gohan and Roshi.>You could have said the same with Kami and Kaio's training too and yet they managed to get it done.Yeah, after following Goku's footsteps, that's no way to progress long term...unless you're Vegeta but I'd assume the humans have more dignity.>I think they were plenty skilled enough that they could have found ways to make it work.I'm not saying it's impossible for them, just that there's a reason Goku is in the lead and it's not because he's a Saiyan.Honestly DB is quite clear on the fact that races don't have power ceilings.Hell, just look at Jiren as a whole, dude doesn't even HAVE a transformation, he just inflated his stats to the point it doesn't matter.
>>483658782If they do nerf baby, I would want them to start just by making you need more energy to go from 2 to 3. It feels like he just gest out of 2 really fast which makes the monke all the more faster. I feel 3 to monke in itself is fine.
>>483790049You say that like Yamcha didn't go and spend like 3 years in the Forest punching trees.
>>483790595Yeah that sounds like a thing they'd do.
>>483787878>>483788481I mean, Toriyama did keep calling him the strongest human for a reason. He may be a bit cowardly at times, but he can also pack quite the punch when he needs to.
>>483790605>Goku's saiyan blood has nothing to do with his determination to improve himself, Saiyans just like fighting, they don't care about self improvement. He got that from Grandpa Gohan and Roshi.Saiyans love fighting and they like getting stronger so they can keep fighting stronger opponents. It goes hand in hand.>Yeah, after following Goku's footsteps, that's no way to progress long term...unless you're Vegeta but I'd assume the humans have more dignity.They follow his footsteps and end up doing better than he did when taking those steps.>I'm not saying it's impossible for them, just that there's a reason Goku is in the lead and it's not because he's a Saiyan.Goku's Saiyan blood gives him the advantage. His race gets stronger even from getting injured.>DB is quite clear on the fact that races don't have power ceilings I agree. But there are races that do have certain advantages over the other.>JirenCould easily just be a race thing as well.
>>483790895True. I used to think Tien was the strongest human because he's always training apparently while Krillin isn't, but Krillin also got his latent potential unleashed and has a SS1-tier wife to help kick his ass into gear if needed. Training with 18 would produce better results than training with Chaotzu. So really, it makes sense why Krillin's the strongest......until Uub shows up.
>>483791056>Saiyans love fighting and they like getting stronger so they can keep fighting stronger opponents. It goes hand in hand.Not really, they were more than happy to stomp on weakling all day and call it a fight.>They follow his footsteps and end up doing better than he did when taking those steps.Yeah, because they can just follow the exemple of a stronger Goku than the one who started the training. Same reason Goku start progressing a lot faster once he has someone stronger in sight.>Goku's Saiyan blood gives him the advantage. His race gets stronger even from getting injured.Not really. Zenkais haven't mattered or been mentioned since the Namek arc and you need to be near death and then healed, it's more specific than just 'get injured' and it's not like humans don't get 'Oh fuck I'm about to die' power boosts too, fucking Krillin did it.
>>483791389>Not really, they were more than happy to stomp on weakling all day and call it a fight.Guys like Goku and Vegeta shows that Saiyans like fighting strong opponents. Why do you think Vegeta let Cell become perfect?>Yeah, because they can just follow the exemple of a stronger Goku than the one who started the training. Same reason Goku start progressing a lot faster once he has someone stronger in sightGoku never taught them tricks on his training methods so that's not relevant>Zenkais Because they had all their fancy Super Saiyan transformations.
>>483789179>>483789316>>483791246I think the reason why Chiaotzu isn’t as physically strong as the other Z-Fighters is because of his size. Guldo was also the weakest of the Ginyu Force, probably for the same reason.He didn’t seem to be insanely weaker since Krillin couldn’t tell whether the huge power levels Vegeta and Nappa were heading towards were Piccolo and Gohan or Tien and Chiaotzu (and he knew how strong they were since they trained together for a year straight) and Chiaotzu was apparently keeping up with everyone else when racing to King Kai’s planet and he didn’t struggle with the gravity, but I think his size stops him from being just as strong as Tien and the others.Tien and Chiaotzu both need different training methods that play to their individual strengths in my opinion.
>>483792017Or Chaozu can just wish to be taller. At least being as tall as Krillin could help.
>>483792017I'm sure Chiaotzu would be stronger if he utilized his psychic abilities more. Didn't he hold Beerus back with his telekinesis once?
>>483792481He held back Goku, and in the Moro arc he held back a metal Man that Tenshinhan was struggling with.
>>483792017Chiaotzu kind of like Guldo. His strength lies in his abilities. He also seems to have a massive pool of energy when you think about it. Dude is always floating around and stuff.
>>483792686>He also seems to have a massive pool of energy when you think about it. Dude is always floating around and stuff.He was also constantly shooting Dodonpas at Krillin during their fight without tiring.
>>483792017Size has nothing to do with it. It's just simply Chaotzu feels like an accessory to Tien instead of his own fighter. That's probably what has him not really shine and it ends up hurting Tien too. But yes, if Tien and Chaotzu trained separately for awhile, it could do wonders for them both. Chaotzu's psychic abilities could develop.
>>483792578Yeah, if I remember correctly Chiaotzu even got after him for it. With that situation and Roshi beating his ass a couple arcs earlier, Tien ain't looking so hot anymore. How long before Yamcha surpasses him?
>>483783489I had a thought about the whole "wishing to be the strongest in the universe" thing.The Namekians could totally cheese the hell out of that wish with their ability to fuse.You get one Namekian to wish to be the most powerful being in the universe.Then, when his lifespan has been reduced down to almost nothing to become the most powerful, you just have him fuse with another Namekian who's standing right next to him, both agreeing to use the body of the Namekian who DIDN'T make the wish.Then boom. You now have an EVEN STRONGER Namekian due to the fusion who also has a full 500 year Namekian lifespan and there is absolutely no mechanical reason why this wouldn't work.
>>483792578>and in the Moro arc he held back a metal Man that Tenshinhan was struggling with.It's surreal they let Chaotzu do anything in DBS. I'll give the Moro arc credit in letting the human fighters like Chaotzu and Yamcha shine.
>>483792804Well now that he has a wife, soon.
>>483792853Yes but then the problem is if that Namekian manages to get killed or sealed or whatever, then you pretty much wasted two Namekians for nothing.
>>483793073>soonHeh
>>483792853>>483793084This is how you become a Demon King.
>>483793303King Piccolo or Dabura?
Chiotzu is werid, the guy is at least 40 but Tien treats him more and more like a kid as time goes on.
>>483793780Yes
>>483793819I sometimes wonder if the writers at toei forgot that chiaotzu being a child emperor and tenshinhan his bodyguard prior them running away together was just something toei made up for a movie
>>483793819Don't kink shame them.
>>483793819Well he has to or else Chaotzu will die again.
>>483793819It's possible that he just doesn't age, he's based on the Jiangshi.
>>483794039>chiaotzu being a child emperor and tenshinhan his bodyguard prior them running away together was just something toei made up for a moviedamn that movie was funny. it was basically a retelling of the 22nd tenkaichi arc but with these wacky changes.
>>483794396Given Tien's also based on a similar Chinese motif, it's likely the case. But I'm sure he could die of old age because nothing said he was immortal in the aging sense.
>>483794396doing this to chiaotzu
>>483794869To be fair, that's just the mafuba.
>>483794869>Manual Mafuba
What's with Tien and Yamcha living in isolation with their little bros? Bit weird. Kinda gay and sus.
>>483794480Most of the movies are alternate retellings of the canon arcs.Blood Rubies more or less follows the Pilaf Saga, Sleeping Princess is the 22nd Tenkaichi, Path to Power is both Pilaf and Red Ribbon sagas, Dead Zone is the Saiyan Saga mixed with Piccolo Jr Saga, Tree of Might is the Saiyan Saga again, Lord Slug is near 1:1 with King Piccolo Saga, Cooler's Revenge and Revenge of Cooler is the Namek Saga, Android 13 is the Androids Saga and Cell (and inspired the Super 17 Saga), Bojack Unbound and Fusion Reborn are the Buu Saga. Bio Broly is a mix of Cell and Buu sagas. World's Strongest has elements of the Androids Saga and even the Baby Saga but predates it. I dunno what Broly; Second Coming, and Wrath of the Dragon are meant to be.
>>483796536Puar can transform into a girl, and probably does for his mate Yammers. I wouldn't mind a retcon of Puar being a girl, not like his gender ever comes up in the narrative anyway
>>483796784>Blood Rubies more or less follows the Pilaf SagaI don't remember this.
I want Chaozu to have that Masenko-like move from Tree of Might.
>>483799186that's just a full power energy .wav
>>483796784>Sleeping Princess is the 22nd TenkaichiHow? It's just based around the trial Roshi gives Goku and Krillin with a little bit of Pilaf's arc sprayed in with the part where Goku becomes Ozaru.
I'm still relatively new to XV2, but I don't understand how raid rewards work. Some things drop randomly, while you get others in the mail when the raid ends? How do you make sure you get all of the things that you can that are related to that specific raid?
>>483796784>Bojack Unbound and Fusion Reborn are the Buu Saga.Bojack predates Buu saga, by the time the movie came out, the latest chapter was 429, one chapter before Goku even returned.I'd say Bojack is closer to King Piccolo, specifically it even has a tournament that the villains suddenly invade, similar to what King Piccolo's minions did at the 22nd tournament. In the Japanese version, Kaio even directly compares Bojack with King Piccolo directly, by saying he's more powerful sure, but it feels like a nudge about his similarities with King Piccolo.>I dunno what Broly; Second Coming, and Wrath of the Dragon are meant to be.Broly is his own thing, taking the basic idea of a super Saiyan who's a villain. I hear he also has some elements from Son Wukong that Goku lacked.Wrath of the Dragon is a mix of Buu (Old dude trying to bring back an ancient evil) and Cell (Hildegarn steals life force with his tail, and looks more insectoid once he evolves, while also having a face similar to Super Buu's).
>>483787878>>483788335It's worth noting that the transformations give the Saiyan characters a huge leap in power when applied, and also they just get free base power boosts when they get their asses kicked. So we have a problem that has layers. One of which is that even if the human characters train their asses off, the Saiyans will still end up pulling ahead of them in the long run, and the other being that because marketing means that transformations are needed to combat new enemies, humans won't be able to meaningfully contribute even if they do train.Tien actually never does stop training. He's the only human character who never stopped training, and he was factually the strongest human character during the Saiyan Saga. He still was, until Krillin got his Potential Unlocked by Guru, but Krillin still had periods of not training. The only reason that Tien isn't considered the strongest human character now is that he's been made irrelevant by the writers. For all of his effort, they don't want him in the story, and they don't want him to accomplish anything. Even if they keep trotting him out out of some sense of obligation, just so he can stall for time and ultimately fail.
>>483801759Yeah that is pretty much why I found it hard to believe that the complacent Krillin was still somehow stronger than the ever training Tien even with Krillin getting his potential unlocked.
>>483801131>Some things drop randomly, while you get others in the mail when the raid ends?yes>How do you make sure you get all of the things that you can that are related to that specific raid?you look up how many points you need to earn get each thing you want in the mail
>>483802165It's just bad writing, which Dragon Ball has tons of. Tien was introduced being better than Goku originally, having genius-tier fighting skills and the ingenuity to create and master a lot of really bizarre techniques. He could even copy moves he saw other people use because he was just that good. He was STILL stronger than Goku, up until Goku got special training on Kami's Lookout so he could fight Piccolo Jr.Since Z, Tien rarely pulls out his skills, because he's so outclassed. The power gap is so staggering, and the writers care so little about him, that he generally is only shown using Tri-Beam/Kikoho, a move that is extremely powerful at the cost of taking up the user's life energy in the process. But he also ends up being relegated to using this against mooks in Super, because they don't care to have him do anything else. He can use the Dodon Ray just fine, which is actually better than the Kamehameha (according to Roshi). His other biggest hits (Solar Flare, Multi-form) end up being used largely by other characters instead.Tien was left behind in terms of relevance intentionally. There's no two ways about it. This gets really obvious in Super too, where he's introduced back in before the Tournament of Power just so he can play an irrelevant second fiddle to other characters who are shown to have improved a lot, including Roshi who used to be irrelevant too (but is more beloved by the writers). During the tournament, he barely accomplishes anything, and none of the characters really care when he gets eliminated in a way that makes no sense regardless.
>>483801759the other other thing is that even if the humans spend time developing super advanced techniques that ignore or bridge the power gap, goku and vegeta are skilled enough that they could just copy those techniques anyway after seeing them
>>483802893Where can I look that up? Is there a chart somewhere, is it on the website and I just missed it?
>>483800540Princess is the one with Tien and Chiaotzu, ain't it? >>483802972Remember how Tien could grow a second pair of arms and drastically increase his fighting ability?
>>483803431Honestly, that was one of the more interesting things. Three eyes, four arms. And let's not forget that he could kiai to counter ki waves, which is why nullifying Kamehameha skills is a Super Soul for him in Xenoverse 2.
>>483803431>Princess is the one with Tien and Chiaotzu, ain't it?Sleeping Princess is the one where Roshi sends Goku and Krillin to look for a sleeping princess in a cursed castle and the fight a Vampire. The one with Tien and Chiaotzu is Mystical Adventure.
>>483801759>and he was factually the strongest human character during the Saiyan SagaAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEE
>>483805487If Yamcha wasn't killed by a cheap shot he would have defeated Nappa...
>>483802972Yeah seems like the only time Tien is respected is during OG DB. After that, it's just downhill for the guy.
>>483805487I don't get how an arm can be straight cut off like that just from being broken. I get not wanting to show some gruesome gorefest of blood and boneshards, but Toriyama had no problem drawing Yamcha's mangled leg in the 22nd WMAT
How many dlc seasons till they add him to the game?
>>483802972>Tien's episode for TOP it's just a Roshi Wankfest>Tien who's never stopped training goes "AIEEEEEEeeeeee GOHAN-SAMA SO STRONG I'M GONNA DIE!!!! I'm so FUARKING WEAK!!!!!"They actively pissed on him,It's honeslty super funny seeing everyone get their dick sucked and pussy ate by Goku going >"Waku Waku look how strong you are!"And Goku not once acknowledges Tien's strength, he's just allowed on team because why not?? Goku could have had Majin buu and saw how weak Tien was spit in his third eye and got Frieza and it would have been more respectable way for him to go out.
>>483806383Should have made it a Ki blade/hand chop would make it at least look more natural
I'm reading the Dragonball Super Manga for the first time since I'm bored.I find it really interesting what they did with Bardock in the Granolah arc. Particularly with how it ties into his decision to send his son to Earth in the Broly movie.The events on planet Cereal seem to be what reminded him of his family and motivated him to give enough of a fuck to keep his kid alive.It ties together nicely honestly, I don't get why people hate on the manga so much, it's been pretty decent so far. Not perfect but far from bad.
>>483806782He's far too powerful, they could never add him to the game.
>>483807572Granolah arc was just doing what Minus and Broly did which was destroy Bardock's character even more so yeah. Other than that, the whole fight dragged on too long and Frieza pulling the plug on that snoozefest was the best part.
>>483807162Yeah ToP arc wasn't really kind to Tien in both the anime and manga. Pretty sad. Even sadder that the Moro arc had Chaotzu perform better than him in the fight against Moro's goons.
>>483807762>Destroy Bardock's characterBardock had no character before the DBS Broly movie.The Bardock from the OVA was literally just Angry Man Musclepunch.I prefer the new version of Bardock, he's an actual character with texture rather than a flat piece of angry cardboard with a cool headband.
>>483807572by that point hating on the manga was the mainstream opinion /a/
>>483808426Well then I'm glad to have the exact opposite opinion of the complete schizoids that populate the DBS general on /a/.Those people are fucking insane, degenerate lunatics.
>>483808084>The Bardock from the OVA was literally just Angry Man Musclepunch.Better than the wannabe Superman's dad. And you clearly didn't even watch the OVA. Thank goodness you're part of the minority as most people prefer the original Bardock to this dogshit new Bardock.
>>483807572DBZdock was a piece of shit saiyan scumbag, DBSdock looks to soft and that's what people don't like.He's still a murderer and burned in hell. But at least he Produced Goku so all is good.
>>483808084>he's an actual character with texturewhat does this even mean
>>483808858you can feel the bumps and ridges
>>483808823This. I miss when they wouldn't hide how awful the Saiyans were in the olden days. Now they pussify them.
>>483808858He was an asshole murderer who had no real issue with killing people in both stories, however his DBS incarnation adds texture to him as a character by having him care about his family. His choice to spare Granolah and his mom on Cereal on the surface appears to be an act of good, but it's actually a selfish choice made because they reminded him of his own family.This moment of hesitation, followed by seeing Musli (who reminded him of Gine) die created cracks in his worldview as a savage conqueror and this leads to his decision to later send Goku away for his safety.He doesn't become a good person, but he experiences what could be seen as a beginning to doubts about his saiyan mindset.THAT is texture and organic character growth. It's something that the OVA iteration of Bardock lacks completely.
>>483808961>All of the unredeemed Saiyans just stay dead, no new arcs where we can see if they could change>Bardock gets glorified because he's Goku's dad and the movie about him was really popular
>do raid with Japanese players>they spam lines every time someone does somethingheh
>>483809395His DBS self ripped off Superman and made him into a pathetic character compared to the badass the OG Bardock was. People like you have this hyperautistic desire to try and make every character "deep" or "multilayer" and you just end up ruining the character entirely.
>>483810196ah I see. yer a The Punisher fan
>>483809395caring about his family is why he was shit. the og bardock went with the typical saiyan mindset of not giving two shits about families.
>>483810278And I see you're one of the many autists who glorify """""deep"""" characters.>>483810316Exactly.
>>483810316>typical saiyan mindset of not giving two shits about families.headcanon
>>483810614Thanks for proving DBS was the only DB media you ever consumed.
>>483810316If he didn't give a shit about family why did he have a family?
>>483810879>Goku cares deeply about grandpa gohan>Raditz cares enough about his brother to seek him out, and is incredibly frustrated that his offer gets rejected>Nappa finds it weird Vegeta isn't interested in starting a family>Fasha finds it weird Bardock doesn't give a shit about his son >Paragus is extremely attached to his son and only tries to abandon him when he's lost is mind and can no longer be reasoned with or controlled >for all his tough talk seeing future trunks die because of him breaks vegeta's heart
>>483811914>Referencing Kid Goku, the angry midget who was bonked on his head to be nice>Referencing Raditz, the picked on lowest of the totem pole dork of the crew>Referencing Nappa, when the thought process could've been how it's important to have succession in the royal family>Referencing Future Trunks WHEN THAT WAS AFTER VEGETA SPENT YEARS ON EARTH AND ALREADY HAD KID TRUNKS WITH BULMAI'll let you have Paragus (though if referencing DBZ, there's probably a power hungry argument there, in that Paragus wanted to be ruler of something instead of the meekly scientist dork who had to be exiled/threatened with death) and Fasha (the main hiccup being Fasha being a female, those tend to be the more family orientated partner of a species, don't fuck with momma bears, doesn't really say anything about the male saiyans that would be of the 'proud warrior' caste) but holy hell make better points, especially since the discussion was on old saiyans of the Planet Vegeta culture, no clue why you referenced earth-raised saiyans like Goku and Vegeta (android saga).
>>483767131I saw this on twatter
>>483814540I'm listing off the only reference points we have in Z. oh wait I missed one, Frieza having Vegeta IV as a hostage being super effective at keeping King Vegeta III from getting too uppity with him. Yet we have not a single example of saiyans not giving a shit about their offspring being normal, unquestioned behavior. They're spartan about their offspring for sure, but all the ones we've seen gave a fuck in one context or another.
>>483814856>Ego has no JFake transformation no wonder it jobbed.
>they're still spreading lies about SaiyansYour fucking monkeys were SHIT and the savage apes you worship were a blip on the radar at fucking best. The objectively greatest thing they ever did was produce Goku, who is the only reason they ever actually amounted to any fucking thing, and he did that by NOT acting like all the other simians but a God damned Earthling. If there were no Goku their final legacy would be being slowly crushed under the heel of Frieza.
>>483816507but gokua shit!
>>483816507Too many fans want edgy Gokus that act like how they imagine Saiyans "should" act, that's why they keep trapping and betraying him in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
>>483816946Nah Goku is a shit and must suffer.
>>483816717>>483817043You leave Goku alone!!!!!
>>483816946Modern, even more poorly written Goku, is a lot more like what those fans think Saiyans should be like. He's still tempered by living on Earth, but he's deeply selfish and battle hungry. He literally defied his own universe's god of destruction because he wanted to fight people, and then when that tournament ended up threatening several universes, he wasn't really apologetic at all. If anything, he was excited, and he even leaned into everyone else hating on him because he knew that would motivate them to fight him.
>>483816507You could basically use the same reasoning about Frieza. He and his family are mutants that are exceptionally more powerful than others of his own kind. If not for that, the Saiyans probably wouldn't have been subjugated, because they were closer to par with other strong alien races and still had their giant ape transformation to more than settle those odds.
>>483817370good times
>>483815390>only reference pointsIn a discussion about Planet Vegeta saiyan culture, Earth raised examples doesn't matter (and yes I'm counting the Vegeta that 'gently' put a bun in Bulma's oven as earth-raised, Saiyan Saga Vegeta/Nappa slide as examples of Planet Vegeta culture, even if a chance of not 'pure' PV culture since they were in the Frieza Force for however long).>King VegetaEasily be the case where the King, proud of his dynasty, didn't want it to end with his eldest son being executed. You're proving that Saiyans can care to families on some level but not to the warm ideal Earthlings like us think of, with a father having love for their son just by the fact he's his son and not any other circumstance. DBS Bardock has more of the caring father we think of when we think of loving fathers whereas DBZ Bardock was more stony, especially to Raditz (even if only in the what-if material for the games, didn't he have a thing about Goku being Bardock's favorite and getting side-lined hard).
>>483811872Saiyans don't have families and neither did Bardock in the original. Eggs and sperm are preselected by saiyan scientists and the embryo is raised in a test tube whilst the mother and father continue fighting. It's implied love and romance and domesticity either don't exist in saiyan society or is a minority. You think a nuclear family that loves their children would willingly banish their newborns to far-off worlds with the "sink or swim" mindset?The stuff shown in Super is a complete retcon to try and make the saiyans more sympathetic, but in the process it destroys both Goku's and Vegeta's character development.
>>483782295Anon reproduction is literally cloning. Imperfect, since it's a natural, non-conscious process, but the entire point of reproduction is the self-replication of an organism.
>>483816946I like to think of the Saiyans as naturally just a race of amoral battle-autist monkeys who don't actively try to do good or bad, they just enjoy a good fight; it was only after King Cold conquered and recruited them that they were warped into being planet-destroying monsters. This aligns well with how they developed in Universe 6 without King Cold there to lead them.
Man I can't wait for the Sparking Zero mods
>>483807572The author also made an illustration (many years ago) of Bardock's classic squad saying something like that they were buddies and when they were killed by Dodoria (like in the OVA) and the communication with them was cut abruptly Bardock started to get suspicious of Freeza's reasons to summon all saiyans and that's why he sent Kakarot away. Between that and Elec teasing Freeza's plans of getting rid of the saiyans you can tell he wants to fix the whole "Bardock is somehow the only saiyan who seriously thinks Freeza might be erasing them all"I also liked there's an entire page of him saying "wtf are you talking about I'm not repenting for my sins or trying to be a hero or anything like that right now I just want to kick your ass because I'm a saiyan and I'm fighting you"
>>483820374Bardock said in DBS Broly that saiyans conquered planets before being employed by King Cold, it's not like in the Z filler where they were barbarians who needed others' technology, they were always galactic conquerors.The reason U7 saiyans are more evil than U6 ones is because the few good saiyans they had in Sadla were killed and the planet, ruined, so the survivor evil saiyans moved to another planet, named it Vegeta and became conquerors
>>483705323Gonna start in base and amp up as the fight continues. Hopefully the moves get stronger. I can't remember if transforming affects stats or not in this game.
>>483822310I ignore whatever canon I find disagreeable. Same reason I ignore the "Goku has brain damage, that's why he's not evil" angle.
>>483819914>Saiyans don't have families and neither did Bardock in the original. Eggs and sperm are preselected by saiyan scientists and the embryo is raised in a test tube whilst the mother and father continue fighting.pure fanon. you don't have anything in the manga to back that up
>>483823965In the manga, babies with low power levels are canonically banished from saiyan society, which is why Goku was originally sent to earth before Super retconned it.Toriyama also wrote and designed the story/art in the Bardock special, and in fact probably played a larger part in the production of the Bardock special than he did in the Broly Super movie.
>>483824630>babies with low power levels are canonically banished from saiyan societyand if they successfully conquer or clear out a planet with their oozaru form they are brought back into the fold.and that is far removed from your fanciful tales of a post-pregnancy society where all saiyans are grown in a lab using preselected gametes
>>483825387Because the point of the banishment is 'sink or swim', as I explained. If they can prove themselves worthy, they can join back in. If they die, then good riddance. >uhm that's headcanonEven fucking Super confirms it, test tube babies are prominently shown in Broly Super movie. Gine and Bardock's relationship is openly stated to be an anomaly. Watch the fucking show
>>483826805>test tube babies are prominently shown in Broly Super moviekids in nutrient tanks are shown. not fetuses or embryos. and no lines like 'we paired your seed with a good match from our genebank'> Gine and Bardock's relationship is openly stated to be an anomaly.that's just evidence that the culture found monogamy weird. plus Gine says 'it's weird for you to show interest in your kids'. singular. she didn't say 'it's weird for a saiyan to show interest in his kids'
>>483822310>it's not like in the Z filler where they were barbarians who needed others' technologyFrieza giving them the scouters says otherwise lmao>the few good saiyans they had in Sadla were killed and the planet, ruined, so the survivor evil saiyans moved to another planet, named it Vegeta and became conquerorsWhen was this stated? This is an s-cell tier retcon and even if it was directly stated in the story it would be the point I would put dragon ball down for good and so would anyone who grew up with the original series; the mystique and aesthetic of the Saiyans made the show feel grittier and made Goku more interesting for deviating from the norm. We lost all that for what? To prop up shitty dragon ball minus with its boring Bardock and fanservice Gine? So we can get more whitewashing shit like episode of Bardock? Its one thing to to make everyone generic good guys that are drawn like stick figures but no tails and no violence? They’re not saiyans, just super.
>>483829440>mystique and aestheticway to self report
>>483806383The idea is more that the part of the arm Nappa hit basically exploded from the sheer strength of the impact but Toriyama didn't to go full Baki / Kengan and actually show it in detail, either to not get too gruesome or just didn't want to bother.That or it's a Ki version of Sikorsky's cutting punches. Because yes, you can cut with a punch to some extent.
>>483829440>just super.You finally got tired of your new shtick of samefagging about the DBS manga not being shit?
Kakarot and Sandland are both on sale, which one should I get?
>>483834470sandland
>>483782261Not that such a restriction matters anymore.
So...let's entertain the idea that the roster is ignoring the DBZ movies (We're not having the Bardock/Future Gohan argument again). Do you think that our homeboy Pikkon has any chances? He's technically a DBZ character with connection to both the Android Saga and the Majin Buu Saga but that never really matters to the rosters he makes it in since they always count him a a "movie rep" due to his appearance in Fusion Reborn, even though outside of Raging Blast 2 they never incorporate elements from the movie into his moveset.
>>483837472Yeah I think he has a decent shot, he has material from a filler arc to work with after all.
>>483837472eeh, i can see him being a dlc pick honestly, throw him in the fusion reborn pack and there you goraging blast 1 didn't have him either so he's not likely a high priority pick, and why not take the free opportunity to pad out a janemba pack? of course this goes out the window if they decide janemba's popular enough to get in base game anyway, but we'll see
>>483829176They're explicitly infants, not just "kids". Furthermore, it's stated that they are divided on a strict hierarchy based on strength, with both Vegeta and his father making it very clear that highbreed saiyans see their lessers as a disposable serf caste. Meaning there absolutely is some degree of selective breeding going on. >Gine used singular second person pronouns when having a casual conversation with a single personNo duh, her suddenly talking on a grand scale about saiyans as a whole would've been clunky unnatural dialogue to expositing past Bardock to the audience directly. You're supposed to read into the context clues.
>>483838226>They're explicitly infants, not just "kids".Goku was 3 years old
>>483837891tbf RB1 had some BAFFLING roster ommissions. Saibaman, Cell Jr. , Mecha Frieza, Dabura and of course the most outrageous of the all , Ultimate Gohan.
>>483838629Not in the original canon>SuperNOT IN THE ORIGINAL CANON
>>483839053>SaibamenJoke character, understandable if cut>Cell JrJoke character, literally just Saibamen 2.0 and even serve the same broad role>Mecha FriezaNever really fights and even if he did his moves would all be the same as normal Frieza; just a reskin at best>DaburaShould've been in>Ultimate GohanUnbelievable he wasn't in
>>483838226strong saiyans choosing to fuck strong saiyans is already a given but you still haven't proven any kind of test tube babies institution was going on, nor have you proven that saiyans don't give a shit about their strong children
>>483840003>I'm right if you ignore Toriyama's own work proving me wrongCope
>>483838226lol superbab
>>483840239I listed the first 3 characters because RB1 was the game where they prided themselves in doing every possible fight in Story Mode, even anime filler ones like the Ginyus on King Kai's planet. So to offscreen Yamcha's death, not giving SSJ2 Teen Gohan the same treatment SSJ1 Goku got with a whole cutscene and still having the Goku vs Trunks fight (with no Yardrat Goku) without the context of Frieza only makes it stand out more. Also skipping from Gotenks to Vegito is criminal and should never happen in a Dragon Ball game ever again.
>>483840282Yeah I have. Saiyan infants are shown in vats and are said to be incubated in them. You just keep shifting the goalposts. >>483840728>Toriyama's own workToriyama didn't write or draw Super, he just gave Toyotaro a once-over to keep him in line. Funny how people will talk about how Super ruins the canon and shits on the characters but the instant you point out the retcons people fight tooth and nail to defend it. >>483840856Bardock special* you are the superbab because Super is where the idea that "young kids" get put in rather than babies. It retconned Goku being a lucid toddler when he was sent off to earth, and also retconned it to being his parents sending him off to save him from Frieza rather than him being banished as "just another low-class saiyan not worth raising".
Sparking Zero > Budokai Tenkaichi 3 > FighterZ > Xenoverse 2 > Kakarot > Budokai 3
>>483840862ultimate gohan's omission stands out even more BECAUSE they skipped the fight, throw gohan in a goku gi against buu and it wouldn't be so horrible but instead they just completely skip the whole thingbt2 got away just fine with doing the future trunks saga without even having future gohan since at the very least they subbed him out for regular buu saga gohan, so full on skipping buutenks entirely was a bizarre move
>>483840239The Saibamen and Cell Jrs aren't joke characters, they're minions. Also, the Z Fighters had legit trouble fighting the Cell Jrs.
>>483841853In terms of narrative the Cell Jrs existed for SSJ2 Gohan to rip apart as a warmup for Cell. For gameplay purposes they are joke characters, weak disposable little shits that exist to job to the main character.
>>483841269Youtubers and twitter users aren't 'people', stop using their shit takes to justify your delusions.Official info proved you wrong, get over it.
>>483842765In terms of narrative the cell jr’s can be golden Frieza tier if Toei wants and you’d slurp that shit right up fucking shill
>>483843581holy fucking meds
>>483843581Cell Dorado's Cell Jrs would be unstoppable.
>>483843213You've offered no official info. The official info (including in Super) is that saiyans do not form nuclear families and instead leave their children to be raised in a lab. You sticking your fingers in your ears and going "nuh uh" is not an argument.
>>483844112Be patient, he doesn’t know how to argue besides mangling Toriyama’s words and obfuscating involvement to push whatever headcanon he feels like at the moment. Shame that the dad he wishes he had is no longer here to protect him, maybe he will grow up this time? Who am I kidding, he’s still going to be going on on about Sandland and DBO for the rest of his life.
>>483844112>>483844112How is that supposed to change that Goku was 3 years old in that fucking incubator, you schizo samefag?
>>483834470neither keep your money.
>>483844953NTA but when you throw out samefag accusations you forfeit any right to call anyone else a schizo
>>483845840>When you notice my blatant samefagging, you're badCool story.
>>483845904Yeah you tell em, me.
>>483845840NTA but you do seem like a schizo and a samefag.
>>483844953He wasn't in the original canon, amigo. Super retconned it.
I am the anon, I've been arguing with myself..sorry.
>>483844112The claim being questioned is not 'saiyans don't form nuclear families' but 'saiyans do not give a fuck about their offspring'saiyans demonstrably consider strong offspring to be a source of pride and joy. and even when a saiyan offspring seems week, they still give them a chance to prove themself by conquering a minor planet as a child, with the desire that they succeed. Do you have any conclusive evidence to the contrary?
>>483846202>I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!Okay, retard.
>>483844112newborn children being put into nutrient rich tanks until they are capable of fighting is not being doubted. but this notion that saiyains are injecting egg cells with sperm cells and cultivating embryos in a lab is unsubstantiated.
>>483846202/dbs/ is that way.
>>483846202I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, in what 'original canon' did we see Goku in an incubator and what age did he have?
go back to /reddit/, you know who you are
>>483846528The only saiyan family shown to even remotely care about its offspring is Vegeta and his father, and that was more because of the royal bloodline than out of any semblance of love. You prove this in your very next sentence, by stating that they have no problem leaving their children to die on alien worlds. >>483846572>projecting>>483846829Given their society and their technology it is a very small step to make. They already have babies growing in incubators left in the care of scientists whilst the parents go off to do saiyan stuff, you have conceded this point. They already preselect parents at the bare minimum based on power level, you have conceded this point as well. >>483847095Bardock special is where the concept is introduced, and that special was considered canon until Super retconned it 25 years after the fact. Goku was either at or around newborn age when he was banished to earth. >Nb4 unironically defending Super again, pretending that 20+ years of canon didn't exist, exposing yourself as a zoomer who didn't start watching Dragon Ball until the 2010s and therefore was literally was not there
>>483822310>>483820374There's a teeeeny little bit of implied lore in the manga when Kale transforms into SS and Cabba finally recognizes the legendary crazy battle-maniac saiyan, except according to him and Caulifla it's called "Demon Saiyan", nothing to do with the "Super Saiyan" they didn't hear about until U7 saiyans. It seems to be the same legend except the evil saiyans from U7 called that monster "Super" and the gentle saiyans from U6 called it "Demon" which honestly tells you a lot of the differences between them, for the assholes of U7 the legendary saiyan is the coolest motherfucker, for the good hearted people of U6 the legendary saiyan is a blight
>>483849096>Bardock special>Original canonBait used to be believable.
>>483849096>it is a very small step to makeso your claims are unsubstantiated and nothing but pure conjecure, and as such, have no more weight than any other unsubstantiated conjectureFurthermore you still have no evidence to substantiate your initial claim that it is the mainstream saiyan belief that a parent should not care about the well-being of their offspring,Unless you have some new evidence you would like to present?
>>483823642>I ignore whatever canon I find disagreeableThat's a weird way to say "I like dick" but okay anon there are countless guys like you (in both senses)
https://x.com/DBSparkingNews/status/1806707917594243261No bang gohan
>>483850065Probably a costume for Buu Gohan and confirms Ultimate is just a transformation
>>483850065is it Gohan (Super) or a skin for Gohan (Z)? Or they're gonna have a Gohan (Super) which is literally the same as Gohan Z but with different skins? And then a Gohan (Super hero) too?
>>483850391good to see honestly, always annoyed me how they divorced ultimate gohan from normal gohan in BT and RB2
>>483850440could be Gohan (Super) to rep his ToP appearance and then the dlc adds the super hero stuff to him, so he gets a piccolo gi skin with ruffled hair and glasses at base and beast as a new form, while again ultimately still just being "Gohan (Super)"
>>483850440DBS Gohan (aka Superhero) is going to be DLC, ToP Gohan is a an alt costume for Buu Gohan since he has the same moveset as seen previously.
>>483850440Those are base Gohan (Z) moves from the demo. It makes sense, Gohan did nothing remotely new in the anime so they will just keep the same Buu arc Gohan the whole post-Cell story mode until the SH DLC
>>483849253Yes. It was the accepted canon until Super. Sorry you missed out on DBZ back in the day.>>483849620>pattern recognition is beyond himAs expected. We have already established that it was the mainstream belief, here: >>483838226Did you forget?
>>483850958all that was put forward in that post is that they have a caste system, which nobody is denying. and supposition that saiyans prefer strong mates, which again nobody is denying.So again, where is your evidence of this imaginary scenario where all saiyan babies are grown in a lab without concepts, and that it was the mainstream culture for saiyans to feel nothing for their children.Do you have any new evidence to add? any at all to substantiate your claims as absolute truth?
>>483850065Here's a whole blog post with better footage:https://blog.playstation.com/2024/06/28/dragon-ball-sparking-zero-battle-training-mode-gameplay-revealed/
>>483851773k
>>483851510It also canonically states that saiyans do not form nuclear families, because it's explicitly pointed out that Bardock and Gine's relationship is exceptional. It's a major plot point that they formed a family in a way saiyans normally do not, which is why they risk their lives defying Frieza to steal an escape pod and send Goku off to earth. What is it with ignorant retards getting more aggressively smug the more ignorant they are?
>>483851773>>483851951fucking lmao
>>483851773KEK >>483851951What a fucking faggot. Shithan did nothing remarkable in the entire anime so he gets nothing until the movie DLC
>>483851773KWAB
>>483761782>french>losingA tale as old as time. Did you know the french translation was not only infamous but also used as base for other european translations of DB/Z, ruining DB in multiples languages? You had shit like Goku charging up his Kamehameha against Perfect Cell and saying "LUMIERE!!!" out of nowhere
>>483852092Nobody is asserting saiyan cultural norms involved nuclear families. Do you have new evidence to present to substantiate your claims or not?
>Gohan (Super) is DLC exclusiveHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>483852704We knew that since Gamma 1/2 were on the DLC ticket cover and Gohan/Piccolo were exempt from the actual game cover.
>>483852704>outfitSo Ultimate is not separated I guess
https://files.catbox.moe/koaw92.png
>>483851773>Gohan (Super) [Base, SS1, SS2, Ultimate] isno, only one SS is enough, don't remember if he used SS1 or SS2 in the movie
>>483854968yeah he only used ss1. the movie more or less went with the idea that saikyo no senshi is a flat upgrade over ss2
Case closed
>>483855291What case?
>>483854968>>483855134Yeah, Gohan (Super) will most likely be (Base, SS, Ultimate, Beast).
Now give me the green outfit, because I hate his purple clothes
Feels kinda bad that Xenoverse 2 is this averse to characters who weren't the most important or iconic to fight. >Freeza is missing forms, even though that would have actually been a good opportunity to power him up instead of just going to villain every time. His stat spread and move list could have been varied up a little bit for variety in the roster.>Out of the first two Androids, they didn't include either, even though 19 basically bodied virus-beaten Goku and that could have been dramatic for the timeline if he was about to do the same for Vegeta, or 20 who is literally Gero out for revenge. >Semiperfect Cell is in some content, but somehow still isn't playable.
>>483855765Will it be a Base Gohan alt, or a Saiyaman alt?
>>483854968Just like Super Goku and Vegeta, probably only the important transformations (SS1, Ultimate and Beast).
>>483856585the most iconic time he fought in it was when he went super saiyan against kibito, so I hope it's a gohan skin and not just a saiyaman alt.if saiyaman has an alt it'll probably be his bandana and sunglasses version
>>483856654it'd be pretty funny if one of dbs goku's unlockable attacks was based on his 'woops didn't mean to go ss3 there' moment without him having ss3 as an actual form
>>483790049What does his him hitting his head back then have anything to do with it? Goku’s not the only Z Fighter who can train for a grueling amount of time in isolation. Just think of all times the gang split up to train for each Budokai, or all of them going in the HTC for Cell.
>>483857810It's not out of the question, there are already a handful of attacks in the game that have the player transform mid-attack. Which moment are you talking about, though?
>>483858387When Caulifla and Kale rush Goku and after throwing him into some rocks he goes SS3 by "accident". It only serves to teach the pair that a level beyond 2 excluding the God transformations exists because Goku acknowledges the transformation is trash and reverts right away.
>>483858535How would that work as a super?
>>483856585>>483856836isn't great saiyaman a transformation though?
Holy fuck, unlocking Potential Unleashed is a bitch. Is there an easy way to score high on the advancement tests?
>>483858920a counterstance maybe, like if it get procc'd goku goes ss3 and does a super explosion wave then reverts back
>>483859209land the first hitdo three grabsland three supersland three ultsland a 30+ hit combowin while transformed and with an ult3+ perfect guards and than kind of thing also help
>>483858940He is, we're talking about form-specific costumes.
>>483852704Who is gonna use that skin? Is like the worst gohan has ever looked
>>483859687People who want Boo arc Ultimate Gohan.
>>483859687just transform him in ultimate
hello, new thread?
>>483850958>It was accepted canon because I said so>Until something actually canon came outSo Goku was indeed 3.
>>483761782>>483852517>I am coping, that mean you lost!Anyway as actually shown and stated, 16 is a cyborg with skin and blood.
>>483864498Let the /dbs/ schizos finish their spamming before making a new one so they go away once the Sparking 0 news wears off.
>>483865506yeah, and the DBO schizo too
>>483704716Dude tenkaichi 1 only had broly bojack and cooler, were atleast guaranteed them and ss4 gogeta.
>>483870125xv2 STILL doesn't have full power bojack, the age of bojack is long over
>>483864498I'm at workOne of you do it
new thread>>483873259>>483873259>>483873259
>>483807852Even with his shitty treatment overall I appreciate the anime letting Tien contribute to some opponent ko’s and found some use for the multi-form technique again. In the manga he gets knocked out in like the first chapter the tournament starts and has Frost completely tank his Tri Beam without so much as a scratch.
