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Going to the beach with Yuyu...https://files.catbox.moe/98vfw8.png
let her cook
KNEEL.
Oh no no no no seiba bros???? What happened you said it was a sure thing????
>3* Sabre Gilles and 5* Dechi getting strengthening.Benifag will be happy I guess, but what happened to the Seiba strengthening?
I feel like im already getting elderly even though im barely even 30 years old.Is FGO stealing my youth?Is it possible for an app on your phone to suck out your soul?
what's your reply?
SEresh's NP actually looks cool
>>489056854its over.
>>489056752L mostly uses her MBA to advertize her onlyfans
Chat will na get the compensation too?
I really hope the Saber Gilles buff is good, I want that guy to be usable already
yasuke won
>>489056541>Append switch>Grail casting coins refund>More grails based on coins acquired>数カ月お時間をいただくことをご了承頂けますと幸いです>It may take several months to implement pls understand>120 sq gomenasorryEhhh it doesn't solve the actual problem on a second view...
I suspect that this was deliberate all along. They somehow managed to asspull this solution so quickly even thought normally they're so slow. Consider this: There is a trick in psychology. If you want to borrow $50 from someone but suspect they won't do so, you don't ask for $50. Instead, you ask for 200. The person will think it's too much, so you haggle it down till you hit 50. By then, people will be more receptive to lending you 50, your actual goal.They knew people will rightfully flip out, so they deliberately made a worse version, then claim to fix it, which was what they actually planned.
For me it's Morgan's flabby belly and smelly navel.
>>489056949Reminder that this isn't good enough and doesn't solve the problem.
No but seriously why does watching swans fly make Summer Ibuki sad?
>>489056978No.Its Japan exclusive.
>>489056979Gilles>16% 3T NP damage up to allies>50% 3T crit damage up to Lawful allies>+2 Overcharge 1 time 3T to Good allies>Add a trait on Star alignment allies 1 turn?>If it works, gain 20 critical stars>15 star regen for 3 turns on self
>>489056949>all the japs are bootlicking over this nowIt's over.
>>489057029They said more improvements are coming. We won.
>>489057003>Holmes stealing Ishtar's wisdomfucking hackfrauds
Give it to me hard and fast bros, is FGO cooked?
>>489056910sleepexercisenutritionthese are the pillars of health and performance that you can't escape if you want to maintain quality of life and are more important as you age
Death threat bros, we won.... Sort of
>>489057079>not that hyped up
>>489056949
>They will calculate the refunded coin amount based on your servants>Which includes limited 3-stars that originally didn't get retroactive coinsWooohoooo!!!
can we get some Fs for the ibuki/kama/okitabros that panic rolled for spare coins before this statement was released?
>>489057079HmmThis actually seems really good for him since he's Lawful Good, I bet he'll do some decent crit memes. It sucks that this wasn't an NP buff though, him becoming F2P Gogh would be awesome.
>>489057175This statement hasn't done anything to address the problem of NP8 though.
>>489057006>flabby
>>489057086Not quite, there are people pointing out nothing is solved, the system is still shit.>>489057091haha
>>489057175Nah, they're still not going to add blank coins so it's OK I guess
Ok so lemme parse thisThey're returning all the coins you've ever spentand just giving everyone every grail that could possibly have been cast from it's inception to now?Or is it some strange calculation based on how many coins you've gotten?Are they accounting for grails you've already cast?
>>489057240*Lick gently her belly
>>489057115if the japanese economy can't kill itnothing will
The real question will be whether the appends are switched as a one-time compensation, use limited resources per switch, or it is a genuine customizable append system. If the latter, it means it will be akin to command codes in flexibility and you swap to whatever you want for a particular team.
>>489056949do you think asking for demiya to be uncensored would be asking for too much?
>>489056910Same bro. I'm turning 30 this year but already have back pain for like 20 minutes when I wake up and my hair is greying. It's so fucking over
>>489056949Does the "more ways to use" refer to coins or grails? or ways to acquire coins?
I didnt book the ticket and they wont let me in. Im so fucking stupid.
>>489057036Lizard can't fly
>Beni got's 30% np charge
>>489057295Your loss, bro.I'm 34 and I look the same as I did when I was 25.
>>489057316It's Goghver...
>>489057175This statement doesnt change that you still need NP8 to max a servant.They didnt remove the 4 and 5th appends they just let you remove your append 1 and put it in append 5.If you want all 5 you will still need more copies.
he keeps winning
>>489057232There is no problem, you don't need to max servants autist.If it was something actually decent like 150 there would be a problem, but servants never have more than 2 good appends anyway, Gogh is probably the only servant in the game that wants more than that.
>>489057316steal someone elses.
>>489057254They are refunding every cast you ever made, and giving you the ones you didn't cast too. They had to do something because of the entire casting system recognizing "complete" servants as such and encouraging you to use their coins above anyone else's. This was setting the grounds for actual legal action and they actually had to do something to avoid it.
>>489057282fuck uncensoring him, give him his hair back
>>489057316His art sucked anyways Van brogh
>release a special weekly nodes where you can farm blank coins that you can use as every servant's coinsI just fixed the problem. Hire me lasagna.
absolutely massive semen build up in my balls right now
>legal action over a videogame
>>489057316
>>489057295>my hair is greyingAt least you still have hair...
>>489057402fuck giving him his hair back, give us original Emiya Alter (and Cu Alter)
>>489057376Maxing a servant should be an achievable goal actually yes. Even for F2P via saving. Pushing the requirement to NP6 was bullshit. Pushing it even further than that has no excuse and isn't defensible at all.
Mind's eye now has>Self 30% Arts up 3 turns>Self 30% NP chargeBenifag will be very happy when they wake up.
>>489057281From the description it sounds like you can switch it at anytime, but the level will reset so you have to level it up from 1 to 10.They'll probably add some shit to event shops and rp shop where you can switch it without level reset.
>>489057079>he now functions as a little boy buffer (Voyager)
>>489057402Lmao no
>>489057240>>489057270>flabby
>>489057376>QSH>KagekiyoGogh only really wants two. Soloers want 4/5.
is Eresh the Beast to end all Beasts
>Wake up>devs are panicking for a fix after the jp players started rebellingI can now sleep easily
It would be funny if only JP gets the coins back and Nobukatsu fags are fucked
WHERE THE FUCK DID SEIBA'S BUFF GO?!?!
>>489057605but you just woke up
>>489057126I love nurse's tits
>>489057501Wait Beni straight up has a 50% charge now. That's pretty good
>>489057639Nasu's personal seiba has seiba alter's 1st skill pls understand
>>489057295>back painstuart mcgillstart with big 3
>is still the only male beast
I HATE POOR PEOPLE
>>489056949Cool but I still need to get like 8 more copies of my wife to max her out when this gets implemented.
>>489057506The apolonews states you will be "retaining the unlock level of the skill already unlocked" first. Unless this line has been lost in translation, the context it gives for the second is that the old skill is merely locked and the level 1 thing is a formality. Theoretically it should have no effect if the skill is just disabled so if they can't cut out the level 1 part then its a case of Nippon spaghetti code.
>>489057668
>>489057316Cut off a ear and start yelling about how much you love Gogh more than anyone.They'll have to let you in, or call the cops.
>>489057391Theyre digital tickets...
HAHAHAHAHHA SEIBAKEKS?????? AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH WHAT HAPPENED
>>489057637Yui ShouSEXu
>>489057867steal their phone
but i want all appends unlocked
Saber is being mistreated...It was her turn for a buff...
>>489057764>Love>Spending money = loveClearly this zoomer hasn't heard that one Beatles song
I don't care that seibakeks got fucked it should have been arthur That would have been funnier too.
>>489057501Holyy shitto.
>>489057867Just sprint inside
IT'S OVER
>>489057880>Mordred stands still as the best buster aoe by a huge margin now thanks to cd reductionKinda funny
>>489057946she was buffed like 20 times already
Is she good now?
make the devs add sex scenes next
>>489057981aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAHAHA
>>489056949Uhhhhhh so are we gonna get that 120 SQ included in our 9th anniversary? Or is Albert just gonna leave that out?
>>489057764>That's just the extent of your love>If you are not an ATM you don't love him/herHoly findom cuck
>being able to switch appends doesnt solve anythingactually it does, noone is forcing you to get useless appends and its not Lasengles fault that you were born with autism and believe that you need to max out the png or else you dont love it.
Surprise Seiba buff when her VN is released on the 8thtrust the plan (cope) bros...
>>489057981Giles>16% 3T NP damage up to allies>50% 3T crit damage up to Lawful allies>+2 Overcharge 1 time 3T to Good allies>Add a trait on Star alignment allies 1 turn?>If it works, gain 20 critical stars>15 star regen for 3 turns on self
>>489057982Mordred still has the problem that she needs the cope grail, just like seiba.
>>489058086Don't get greedy
Another L for aLtria
>>489058086no reason to give it since the reason for it is because of the "anxiety and uncertainty" surrounding the coin update.with our clairovoyance we won't suffer the same
>>489057789They said that in the coming months they're going to make changes to the append system. Not just the swapping. They'll probably re-balance it so you can gigamax with an NP5.
How to resolve the problem, Me Edition:1. coins remain as is and can still be used2. instead append skills can also be unlocked with grails3. hence grail casting becomes the "universal coin" system4. calculated refunds of coins on append skills, they remain unlocked
Why is Agravain still not playable?
>>489058037Not enough
>>489058190>They'll probably re-balance it so you can gigamax with an NP5.haha
>The fucking bird is now the best st saberWhat the fuck lasagna
>>489058249because releasing unique characters doesn't predict profit, everything has to be a recognizable face nowadays
>>489058249He will only be rollable after you burn every single female servant you have.
>>489058249He would get roped into having a swimsuit.
BenisCHADS i fucking kneel
>>489057501Buff the other bird too, please!
>>489058190>They'll probably re-balance it so you can gigamax with an NP5.
NEVER BACK DOWN, NEVER WHAT?
>>489058160I also suffered from anxiety an uncertainty from looking at the update though, so I they just give me the SQ now?
I fucking hate long hair jalter
>>489058205Not a bad idea desu. There's a lot of solutions like the Blank coin shop, but i think that the "just swap the append LOL" approach that will probably be the one this retards end up implementing is by far the worse.
>>489058383
so can you now freely swap around appends for ever? Seems kinda good to be able to switch to the ones that are the most useful in a given situation.Like for example when you dont need append 2 for farming but are up against a class that append 3 gives you a bonus against.
Are (you) ok with this?
Bob love status?
>>489058157Incredible butchery of my mother tongue with that english
>>489057764I mean he's right. They released 2 new appends and let you freely trade out the shitty ones for the new better ones, give back all your coins incase you used them, throw in some free grails and SQ for kicks. It's almost like they upgraded appends. This is an issue only if you're autistic about absolutely maxing a servant. Admittedly it's predatory towards whales but paypigs shouldn't have rights so it's fine.Of course I'm not defending them as lasengle fully intended this to be the end of it and threw together this solution purely from fear of legal action.>>489058205This is actually a pretty sensible solution
>Best ST Saber Bow before your new overlord.
>>489058249Explain why he would answer your call when (you) look like this.
>>489058465I won't settle for anything other than Hayami nakadashi.
Stop making yuribait cosplay
>>489058447fucking lol first and third appends are now literally useless 99.9% of the time nobody will ever swap back to those
>>489058447>so can you now freely swap around appends for ever?No they worded in a way like every time you do it you reset and have to use materials to level it again to switch.
>Jalter somehow returned to being the strongest avengerHow?
>>489058525Why is he cosplaying Ereshkigal?
>>489058559she got a fucking 50% charge dude.
>>489058559Kama…
>>489058559She has 50% charge plus upgraded NP on JP. Also, a lot of people have NP5 Lv100+ J@alters.
>>489058383but her problem isnt her skills but her high party cost
>>489058507I KNEEL
>>489058383Giving her NP a 1 turn delayed NP charge in her NP would be good enough for me to be honest
>>48905855950% battery, literally does more damage than Kintoki
>>489058465Its a step into removing the damage done. So it's ok-ish. But I'd like to see more.
>>489058546No, they mention levels will be retained. Skills 1-5 will have individual levels but swapping to from 1 to 4 will NOT transfer the L1 A1, but L4 will start from 1.
>>489058638Shrek looks like this?
>>489058661L1 should be L10*
Is 30% crit damage better than 50% extra attack damage?Extra attack works every time as long as you get brave chain but the crit damage bonus does nothing without stars to crit with.
>>489058249He refuses to be summoned to a Chaldea with so many women
>>489058638
>>489058778Bro???Your crit from leading with Quick card???
>>489058778If your servant doesn't have any crit buffs, the crit will always be better.If you're not soloing, crit will always be better.
>>489058465why would i not be fine with it?
So can we just like, completely ignore grail casting now and get them all for free in 2 years?
>>489058683My cute intimidating wife Kuroha...
>>489058683She definitely had sex on the train.
>>489058683I'm gonna make her a single mother.Again.
>>489058778Extra attack only happens 2/3 turns with good rng, and has poor baseline damageCrits occur consistently in well designed teams and do good damage
>>489058205Do you just remove coin cost from >100 grailing or what? Because it'd still be an issue there, and moreso if they ever increase the cap/other uses for servant coins like they're suggesting they want.
>>489056808Do you have an archive of lewd yuyu?
>>489058778Depends on the servant. I think on arts dps, extra append is better since you will have your NP card available most of the time and the increase in damage is good. But for BQ and buster servants, crit append seems better
>>489058683Reviewbrah is so cocky
Wait, are they saying they have no plans for neutral coins?
>>489058809Hot body but meh face.Many such case
>>489058809
>>489058778One can only happen 1 time every 3 turns and does 50% more damage The other can happen 5 times in 3 turns and does 30% more damage each time. What do you think is better?
>>489058809>>489058960>>489058949She's why paperbags exist.
>>489058942seems like it
>>489056949Ahh, the wonders of threatening legal action...
>>489058942They almost certainly have no plans to hand out money for freeAppend utility is secondary, the true "system" is a money extraction method
does Kuroha have a bf?
>>489058638>>489058809>>489058852>>489058960Gu-sama...
>>489058683>be me>see kuroha and get excited>she caught me staring at her>she glare at me>sad>she later posts on twitter and calls me old guyBRUH
>>489058973It can happen twice over 3 turns bro.
>>489058683Fucking virgins looking away. I stare at them and then wave to assert dominance.
>>489059035Yes and it's me
>>489058778extra damage got buffed massively with the mightychain update, and ordeal class score, i imagine its better for crit orientated st servants, and vice versa with crit %
>>489058683Maybe she shouldn't dress like a whore
>>489056035JP has had servantcoin grail conversion for 2 more years than us. Many of them depleted their stock of free servant coins and started using their leftover SSR coins they were told they wouldn't need and encouraged by the system to spend them, only to be hit with this update telling them they need them.The grails, i can't really work out a reason for perhaps just an appology for making the system that was beyond many users ability to keep up with without botting a 2nd account.The append swapping obviously is because people leveled the fairly useless appends 1 and 3 to "max" their characters but now feel baited because appends 4 and 5 are a lot better. If you had to pick 3 appends, most would pick 2 4 5 just because 2 and 5 open up a lot of doors and 4 is the most controllable damage output in the face of card RNG and 90% of nodes not matching your randomly assigned attack boost.
>>489058086It's a question that whether NA will last for 2 more years in the first place
>>489059035yea me
>>489056949>SEVERAL MONTHS This game makes millions each week btw.
>>489059085Flabby tummy and smelly navy
My lesbian gf is so cute
>>489059134With how hard the Japanese economy is getting fucked right now, I'm not sure they can afford to drop the NA market.
My guess is they'll want to avoid this again and 150 will be achieved through special very limited super grails (that can also be purchased in the RP shop :^)), where each "super grail" increases the max level of a servant it's used on by 5 or 10, to a max of +30 from "super grails"
>>489059074They just looked away cause you're ugly sis...
>>489058465Its an alright start but unless they actaully do something about coins in general nothing has really changed. The fact that everyone was mad enough that they quickly responded like this means they felt some pressure which is good but we'll have to wait and see if anything come from it or theyre just lying again like the bond fix they brought up 2 years ago that we still havent seen yet. A bunch of grails would be fine compensation if it didnt take FUCKING COINS TO LEVEL PAST 100 but I'm glad they felt fire under their ass for a bit and decided to walk back one of the shitty things about the system even if its a late fix
>120 sq actually appeased some peopleGood lord, the end of the world can't come sooner
>>489059035
>We're going to rework the system >We won't say how Let me translate it to you imbeciles in a bit simpler words: fuck off.
>>489059035no, she's a single mother
>>489059085Why doesh she have a better jawline than me bros ? It's now fair...
>>489058960
what was the Gilles buff?also is he good on NA now with the rainbow chains?
>look at something>girl in your range of vision suddenly turns her head to you>you reflexively turn away>girl now thinks you were looking at her
>>489058960>>489058809She has the exact same face as my friend (male) and now I'm feeling confused
>>489059267what's wrong with his legs lol is that crab-man
>>489059289I can't believe I need 10 more copies of marie summer
I will marry Kuroha.
>>489059209Marriage material
Kuroha's gaijin fart
Important Announcement: I'm going to stop unironically playing the game and frequenting the general. Instead I will simply jerk off to doujinshi and fanart.The only thing I do here is shitpost and pretend to be a schizo sometimes so I doubt anyone will care, but just advising in case anyone wonders later.TLDR; I will now masturbate.
>>489059049>calling this uglyI mean, she's certainly nothing special, but any guy who sees this and doesn't immediately think sex needs to get his T levels checked
>>489059350
>>489059285Stop leaking my stuff.
>>489059128>they were told they wouldn't needthis never happened, there was never a promise the coin update wouldn't be expanded on.>encouraged by the system to spend thembesides greed for grails(which is beyond stupid for =>90/2000 of a grail), the only thing that "encouraged" them was the default filter, which any sane person would have switched to ascending by rarity
>>489059437Who are you quoting I would impregnate her on the spot
>>489056949this still isnt enough and this is just a panic attempt to try quell the people pointing out how shit this is.Also this still is breaking the gacha rules about paid currency I'm fairly certain.
Nobody asked
perhaps I was too harsh with 3dpd...
>>489059527me on the right
>>489059247When was this
>>489059527
>>489059483would just because her tits and ass
>>489059367>Best friend sits behind me in class>Turn around to talk to him>Girl behind him always makes eye contact with me>Every single time>Mfw it went on the entire semester
>>489059303Mewing and bonesmashing.
>521 days until FSR collab and alter bend the knee to Ushi-Gozen banner
>>489056949>THAT'S IT ? THAT IS THE SOLUTION TO THE COIN FIASCO ? 120SQ AND A BAND AID ?
>>489059579Any maxed Gillesfans here?
Doesn't this grail compensation mean JP will have 30 more max grails than global?
>>489059545The game told them they wouldn't need them when they pushed them to the front of the line anon. I know it's fun to play contrarian on the internet but there's a point where you're just being a retard.
>Beni and Gilles Congrats I guess. What was that thing with Seiba then?
>>489059649Surely you said "hello" right bro? Maybe even just a nod?
>>489059707Global players wouldn’t have any way to know about the new appends either
>>489059724what a slampig.Still would.
>>489059724pig
>>489059285A few minutes alone with this vixen would fix me
Andromeda-chan why you smile at me like that...
>>489059707No? They don't get extra grails. They get the maximum possible grails they could have attained through casting from its release until now. If they got the grails for a month, they don't get those grails again.
SHIROU OPEN UP! YOU PROMISED ME A CHARISMA RANKUP AND IM OUT OF TWINKIES!
>>489059752We got trolled, bro.
>>489058465until they add a "coin casting system" the system is fundamentally shit.anything short of that isn't enough.
That's a big anal plug
>>489059054In a solo scenario/getting servants killed/getting 3 cards at the ending and beginning of a new cycle. Yes.But that goes true for the crits. You could be doing 9 crits in 3 turns, and that would be more damage again.
>>489059729Thats beyond retarded reasoning that justifies using coins starting from SSRs rather than 1*s.
>>489059649Did you dick her down good, anon?
>he thought there would be a Artoria buff
>>489059832Not like this...
>>489059837I am more impressed with the size of these thighs
>>489059852no anon, by virtue of servants having 6 cards and not 5. You can make it 3 in 3 turns with BB and card change of course.
I'm about to watch pic related. What am I in for?
>>489059890That's what the game encourages you to do with servants who are no longer enhanceable.
>>489059579>Holy Maiden's Triumphant ReturnKINO
>>489059957Is she black in that one
>>489059905Kuroha's are better.
>>489059707Because the world is fucking weird they can't officially acknowledge clairvoyence EX, so when we get to them they have to pretend the appends 4 and 5 are something brand new that we had no idea was coming and compensate us accordingly.
>>489059905>>489059837For face sitting. Imagine the smell of after a whole day of convention.
>>489059957Tomboy Jannu
>>489060035>Is she black in that oneIt's from the 90s so she's blond and has blue eyes
>>489059664that was always the plan
>>489059957>>489060095Milla is so fucking hot i masturbate to her every day
>>489059983ok now bring up the retards complaing that they fed their enhanced servants to others or burned them. you're supporting my point.
>>489059756Yeah we talked occasionally>>489059893I wish
>>489059579lmao, his whole shtick is buffing up Jeanne. Gilles (Saber) S1: Tactics C > Holy Maiden's Triumphant Return EX Now Increases Critical damage for Lawful allies [30-50%] (3T)Applies 200% Overcharge on Good allies (1 time, 3 turns)When Star attribute servants are on the field, gain 20 critical starsApplies gain critical stars per turn to self [5-15] (3T)
Just got my 8th copy of Summer Kama.I'm safe bros.
>>489059919>6 cardsWhat? Servants have 5 cards. Are you saying the extra is a card?>3 in 3 turns with BBSame with a solo or card rng and support cycle. The point is the same. If you can use 3 extra cards you also have the possibility to do 9 crits.
>>489060185I'll bring up the retarded company that wants to squeeze people for their money with malicious design that they had to retract because of its malicious nature.
>>489059724
>>489060250Bro, your NP card?
>>489060178My childhood crush...
leveling above 100 shouldn't consume coins at all.If leveling above 100 doesn't consume coins then 5 appends require NP5 bond 15, which isn't that absurd.
>>489060236Get 9. 8 requires bond 15 and you'll stop using her then
>>489060250man I bet you feel really silly, having forgotten that servants have Noble Phantasms. In an average fight it's really 8 cards possible since it's a renewing card and all, but functionally equivalent to 6.
cunnychads...won...birb fags...won...nipwankers...won...
>>489060224And it still suck>NP damage wasted>Overcharge is a healThe only real buff are the stars and crit.
>>489060258the only ones being "squeezed" are literal mobros with 0 sense of foresight or value of coins.
>>489059579GILLESMAXXERS WE WON
>>489060021>Intentionally making it hard to grab so her hand touches yoursS-surely no one does this right?
>>489060331I'm okay with not using her as long as she's maxed out.
>>489060370>game tells you it's okay>turns out it's not okay>anon thinks this is good and that every company should be allowed to engage in scam practices because preying on retards is le basedyou think you're smart, but the thing is, you're actually the biggest retard.
>738 days until alter submit their defeat and kneel to Russian supremacy
>>489060307>requires NP5 bond 15That's so perfect I'm convinced it was the original plan and then they just tacked the coins on later when they were lazy and didn't want to program super grails or whatever for 120.
>>489060421>I'm okay with not using her as long as she's maxed out.Way to go and prove yourself as a kamafag (false)
>>489060406>you can now run Gilles with Bedi
>>489059724>>489060285What the fuck is this shit? Is she pregnant? that would be hot
>>489060287Yeah, you got me. I forgot.>>489060335Yes, I do feel a little silly. But evn with that, two extras are not enough to compete with 5 crits. And crits get buffed cards buffs and attack up, while extra only with attack up (and the extremely rare extra up)
>>489060421Here's a Kama there's a Kama and a funny Idolma...
>>489060517It's okay I can use her again once we get bond 20
So we can add>Seiba lostTo the anniversary list too.
>>489060454hold on i think theres been a misunderstanding, are you saying that once you've maxed a servant their coins dont give the slider warning that nobukatsu had? and that they usually do for? I havent even touched sr servants coin wise so im none the wiser regarding that.
>>489060568need a glownigger wife
>>489060683>hold on i think theres been a misunderstanding, are you saying that once you've maxed a servant their coins dont give the slider warning that nobukatsu had?Did you unlock all his append skills and level him to 120?
>>489060580Depending on the servant though it can be one of the better appends. Obviously, Aoko, which is why I had to point out you can get more than 1 in 3 turns by default. Crit is definitely stronger as a whole, and probably in any scenario except maybe Aoko, but extra attack can add up to a lot of damage on ST even for normal servants.
>>489060683it's big orange text slapped over the servant icons, which disappears when a servant is maxed - also the casting help menu has more elaborationsomeone posted screenshots of a SSR in NA doing this
>>489060760no.
>>489060691
>>489060809Then how are you so sure you get a warning once you do all that?
>>489060683> are you saying that once you've maxed a servant their coins dont give the slider warning that nobukatsu had?I'm saying it gives you absolutely no warnings and puts them to the front of your list with no more text over the servant saying it's enhanceable. Even a limited SSR. You can just feed them in, no warnings of any kind at all. And again, they are pushed to the front of your list, literally singling them out as having no more purpose.
>>489060370it's actually against gacha regulations to encourage people to spend a paid currency with an implication that you've fully used the currency for it's intended purpose and not save it, only to then introduce new uses for said currency. the grail casting system pushing servant coins of fully enhanced servants to the top of the list and not having a warning attached to using them is a blatant violation of this rule, it's not a coincidence they're specifically refunding all grail casting stuff, they're just trying to "solve the problem" before the regulators step in and force an even bigger solution.
>>489060683That's exactly the case. It even places them at the top of the list to further encourage their usage. The game in every way it could tells you "You no longer need these coins". People aren't kidding when they say legal actionable according to japanese law.
To be completely clear, it doesn't even matter what your filter is. Here you go, sorting for low rarity first. No, there is no warning or anything when I select Scathach and feed 180 coins into casting.
I would prefer an entire re-do of the appends, but this was nice at least, watch as they add the changes 1 month before EOS next year
>>489060889im not hence my question.
>>489060897>>489060902so this move really was just to avoid getting in trouble?
>>489061025yeah, they fucked up to a legal degree
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>>489058101That's only part of the issue, the real issue is that you need more than 5 copies of an SSR to max everything, making the copies past 5 practically useless. It's even worse for SRs and limited Rs.It's also not a purely gameplay thing, it's a matter of it being predatory, so if you're a completionist you're fucked unless you're a whale.
how will world war 3 affect fgo if at all?will we finally be able to get ww1 themed servants?
>>489060987It does give you a warning for limited servants, I got a warning or both Nobukatsu and Mayr anning coins, right before expending them and you need to move a bar for the ok
>>489060987Uhm, bro? Like, we already announced your fix? Why are you being so greedy? We even threw 40 rolls on top of that.
>>489061145Are they 100% maxed? Otherwise it's not the same situation.
>>489061145Are they level 120 with all three appends?Because I assure you, the game does not require me to confirm anything to use those 180 coins.
>>489061107if ME escalates TW will escalate too, best case scenario the content drought will make the covid content drought look like a joke
>>489061183You didn't give me my extra extra slot
My fellow bros:The extra append can allow your extra appends to hit as hard as a NP. Especially if you do a mighty chain. If you are already stacking crit buffs, the crit append gives you lower returns on investment.
>>489061025yes, and honestly I don't think it's going to be enough, I think the JP audience has finally woken up to how shit they're being treated.
Funny Vamp EX
>>489061281ordeal class score buffs crit as well and extra damage, so both get diminishing returns.
>>489061281How much total damage are we talking from an Extra card alone, brotha
>>489060790Yeah, I'm sure there might be cases where the team generates 0 starts and the crit buff would be useless. But I see we both agree that crits have a more general use, so this should be the end of this little argument.
>>489061098if youre a "completionist" in a game where compelting just equals spending a shitton of money instead of doing achievements or something you deserve getting fucked over
>>489061379I wasn't really trying to get in an argument, just correct you on a detail.
>>489059957Wew, this movies pretty edgy. It opens with Jeanne's sister being raped by soldiers while Jeanne hides in the closet. Jeanne's sister fights back, so the soldier impales her with his longsword to hold a wall, then he fucks her dying corpse.
>>489061272We'll let you roll for it in a special Support slot rate-up!
>>489060987Is your Scathach maxed?
>>489061456It should have been Jannu.
>>489061469bruh
>>489061375Regular extra card does base 200%Might chain extra card does base 350%>>489061360Yes but there are only ways to increase extra card damage, while face cards have more and easier way to do it. Not to mention class score can also buff card type crits as well
>>489057295>back painbro just walk more
>>489061469Yes. That's the only way you remove the "Enhanceable" text over every servant anon. That's why she's put to the front of the line no matter the filter. The only way she doesn't appear is if I filter out 5*s.
>>489061394Nigger, it works fine with beast paws and gold fous, so stop arguing in bad faith when it comes to servant coins. If I manage to get an SSR to NP 5, bond 15 and level 120, I also deserve to get every append without having to roll even more and have 3 fucking useless copies.If you disagree, you're a dumb bootlicker.
>>489061536>>489061360You run into a problem with crit damage since it also combines with power mod though and can't go past 500%. It's actually pretty easy to cap out.
>>489061536>>489061281The issue is, extra gets no buffs besides servants built around it like aoko. We're not exactly in year 1 where tamamo's arts buff is ridiculously overpowered, and most face card buffs only last 1 turn
>>489061536Problem is that everything else is buffed to hell and back with multiple multiplicative bonuses
WE ARE SOOO BAACK!!!!
vroom
It never, ever should have been acceptable to raise the amount of copies you needed to roll to complete a servant. NP6 was bullshit and should have caused this outrage in the first place.
>>489061619wholeheartedly agree. They should have given us 7 blank SC for reaching 7 days login and had more in the monthly shop for RP just like everything else. 365 blank coins a year, enough to get 3 appends or 120 uno servant, not counting the coins they already had from np levels.
>>489056949>we ask for your understanding that it may take several monthsOh, just a some months, huh? Hope everyone has gone quiet about the NP8 requirements, huh?
>>489061849>when he refuses to pay child support
>>489061915More likely they have no fucking clue how they're going to do the redelivery system of servant coins and grails.
>>489061849looks like a guy in a fat suit and a wig getting railed
>>489061915game will be so dead by then they wont get any steam from complaining. i call this the tourist gambit, where you stop being uppity during tourist season so you avoid backlash from a majority.
>>489061435Here you have the answer >>489060987>>489061585
>>489061840>Myst
U rike!?
>>489061840NA will not see a single one of those SQ,.We won't get the grails because we got grail casting early IE more grails by our 9th anni than jp would have had so its just course correction.The only thing we will get is a refund of the coins we've spent so far and a game alert letting us know tha appends 4 and 5 are coming and to be more careful with SC expendature.
I'm dumb, what exactly are they doing that will take months? Implementing the refund?
>Having to wait 8 more days just to see Ciel's kit and animationsThis is so painful, reminds me of the week before summer Kiara happened and I was praying for an arts aoe
>>489062070what did he mean by this
Can I get a word of encouragement? Thanks in advance.
>>489061585Well... what are you going to do now? Are you going to try to keep her maxed or are you going to give up to this bullshit?
>>489062170you're a disappointment.
Guess I'll do Ooku againPray for my soul and my sane mind, bros
>>489062093>We won't get the grails because we got grail casting early IE more grails by our 9th anni than jp would have had so its just course correction.Are you retarded?They stated they're doing it for pre coins limited 3 stars as well, as in it's basically the same amount of coins since the only difference for NA would be 1 year of fp gacha servants.
>>489062170kill yourself
>489061849I did this>>489062170Keep paypigging, good boy!
>>489062093We got grail casting at the same time as jp right after Tunguska you mongoloidNot even bothering to read the rest of your post
>>489062170good luck
>>489062170No.Get cancer.
>>489061213>>489061209OH I see, I only unlocked their appends, I didnt knew it would go away after 120
ARE WELFARES STILL FUCKED OVER THOUGH, I NEED TO KNOW!
>>489062170Stop being a fucking leech and kill yourself
>>489061619>and have 3 fucking useless copiesDon't worry, they'll raise the NP level cap on the next anniversary.
>>489062248they will purge every welfareproblem solved
>>489062248yesn'tyou can never unlock all their appends at the same time but you can get their 4th and 5th in exchange for sacrificing 2 other appends and all the materials you invested to level those (no refunds lol sorry)
>>489062097No, you'll get your refunds don't worry. The months is because they didn't expect the backlash and either>had zero idea on how to fix the system and will only start working on it from now on>hope everyone forgets about it eventually
O, lightless creature, embrace oblivion as shall I.
>>489062145It was a mistake on my part. Please laugh at how retarded I am.
>>489062248When in doubt, assume the worst.
>>489061358This thread was all good posts until you.
>>489062097>It's been more than a month and Bakin's 3rd ascension in My Room is still glitchedSmall indie company pls understand
am I fucked? I already used all my coins
>>489062248Yes, but fixing it is as simple as restocking the shop coins. Which means they won't do it.
>>489062170
Just woke up bros, what did I miss
>>489062417No, you'll be able to switch your appends in 2 years and get your grails refunded
>>489056949>redditors and japs will kneel to thisehhh>>489062248you will never unlock all their appends, so yeah they are fucked
>>489061007Here you have your answer>>489060987>>489061585
>>489062416No one cares about a servant that's not for (You).
>>489062416Nobody gives a single fuck about bakin thoUnless you write reports to the NA team they won't fix it in the same way that Romulus had his no dmg bugged until summer Kiara has the same problem and people noticedGod being Qirinus is so sad
Which servant that benefits from 1x 1turn cooldown reduction?
>>489062248We'll find out in 10 days when they get their anni ends and their summer begins and people can evaluate the event stock to see how many coins the new welfare gets. If it gets 720, it's a good sign that they will update evocation shop stock at a later date.
Why are so many people upset about the added appends? It's not like you need to do them. They're just extra content for whales. Servants are still pretty useable even without appends. This is still nowhere the same multiple copy scumminess of other gacha like Genshin.
>>489062173I already had NP8 because I got extra copies rolling for her CE at Shishoufest, so at least for her it doesn't really matter. Only change is that I've got to rush bond 15 now when I was going to let it take as long as possible before. Of course they say they want to do more with them, so I don't know. It fucks up my plans for basically every other servant I have though. I'm an NP level off maxing Medb and Ishtar right now which I was looking forward to doing, Jeanne and Jalter were about to start the road to 120 too, but now I don't know what I'll do with anyone else. I've got Jeanne and Space Ishtar eligible to be maxed under this new system if I wanted, too, but no one else, and not if they add more requirements. It all sucks.
>>489062465Extremely short version, if you had spent your coins before you're not longer fucked as you can just switch append skills. That's it.
>>489062416It's been more than a year and Vlad/Para/Geronimo/Ivan's battle line subs are still fucked
>>489062417you was fucked in a moment when you installed the game, bro...This is your Grand Order.
>>489062609muscled women sex
As long as 120-150 doesn't cost servant coins I have literally 0 problems with whales getting fucked in the ass by needing two more copies to "max" their servant.Append 1 and 3 were always retarded, especially 3, so it's actually nice to get two appends that have some semblance of a use case for many servants.
>>489062602expect new servants to require both 2 and 5 simultaneously to loop
>>489062689NP2 was always basically needed for loopers so this doesn't change much of anything.
>>489062569Good morning sir
Medea status?
>>489062609Yeah this suck ass. And what's stopping them from making up some other bullshit the next year to make you roll NP9? Now the trust in the company is gone.
>>489062446Cocoa-san...
>>489062446such wisdom in these words
>>489062785
PLEASE LET CIEL BE AN ARCHER PLEASE NO MORE EXTRA CLASSES
>>489062785Will they buff her np to 1500 or 1800?
>>489062785You know, Tanaka Atsuko must've required some heavy paychecks if they don't really bother with Medea these days
I've got a boner xuxu do you like it hehehehe
>>489062518I care>>489062524>>489062618Yeah those are true. If nobody cares then they don't even try.It's not like I'm a complaining faggot and doing nothing. I wrote them, multiple times and they just said "we are fixing it" without a time range every time.
>>489062839Sorry bro, single target avenger is inevitable
>>489062343Alaya you bastard, leave my servants alone!>>489062383The best type of hope is to always expect some level of doom of course.>>489062426>>489062476>>489062351Not a good trade off on paper then->but you can get their 4th and 5th in exchange for sacrificing 2 other appends and all the materials you invested to level those (no refunds lol sorry)Need lasengle members nuts ripped off for no refunds>>489062573>If it gets 720, it's a good sign that they will update evocation shop stock at a later date.I want to have hope but they have like a year left before part 2 ends. Doing restocks in waves won’t cut it, but I’ll doubt they would care. Their main focus is on whales.
>>489062446rest in peace tippy...
>>489062785Nobody cares.
Arts and quick servants need a cooldown manipulating servant!
>>489062689They always give a way to clear content with lesser teams though. You don't need to do the last node of an event to clear the shop or ladder. It just means you have better efficiency but it's just extra content for whales. Servants are still pretty useable even wtihout appends.
>>489062949>in exchange for sacrificing 2 other appends and all the materials you invested to level those (no refunds lol sorry)They'll retain their level if you switch back / unlock them again later
>>489062949Skills save their levels individually, you don't lose the progress for a given slot.
is it time to use JET again?
>>489056761>it's overnot>it's oberIt's trully ober.
To lighten the mood a bit, Do you think Space Ereshkigal's class being advantageous to all extra classes but weak to avengers has something to do with Alaya removing the avengers? Is it like a "i came prepared to defeat all of your extra classes... WAIT I WASN'T EXPECTING AVENGERS ALAYA TOLD ME SHE WAS EATING THEM ALL WTF TIME OUT!"It would be pretty accurate to Rin to be all serious but have a glaring vulnerability due to her own oversight. Eresh is weak to avengers, Rin is weak to anal, its all interlinked.
>>489063027>>489063046Okay then, thank you both for correcting me. Ahhh they could have avoided this shit with blank coins…
>>489062789The only reason they had any trust after introducing coins was they also floated the idea at the same time there was going to be further implementations for them and the possibility of event coin rewards etc. Now years have passed with no real iteration on it and now a demand for more. I wasn't happy about NP6 for maxing before at all, but this is that much further. Fou Paws are so much better an implementation than this and that's saying something.
>>489062949So why did he somehow the only Avenger that stay with chaldea, while the likes of Jannu Alter were left behind?
>>489062689So roll summer ibuki, who 2 years from now is still not surpassed
>>489062937Forget the image
>>489063130It's because she's weak to Space Ishtar and that's it, that's the deep lore that's coming, she's some offshoot of her or some bullshit.
>>489063185can i trade this nigga for jalterussy
>>489063185He loves Guda
>>489063185Angra is also still with Chaldea (but we don't know that)
>>489062949>Doing restocks in waves won’t cut it,I know companies are scummy whenever they can be, but I'd imagine if they release 3-4 more welfares with 720 shop stock in their evocation shop, they would bother to release the other 34 welfares missing coins at the same time, and not cuck people around for another wave of slow drip.>>489063231duh faggot, but that's fucking boring. I'm asking people to use their imagination for a fucking micron.
>>489063185Because he can cross timelines and realities like musashi, and he took a liking to you after prison tower
>>4890630043t requirements for 90++ nodes at full efficiency are very stupid though, and you can say "well you don't need to do that" but the fact of the matter is the requirements for full efficiency clearing of the best nodes have increased dramatically over the past few years.
She looks like this.
>>489063474yeah that's an easy skip
>>489063474mid
>489063185Easy.He is Sakurai character. They get a special treatment :)
>>489063474>Anniversary and summer hybrid is the norm nowI'm not sure how to feel about this
>>489063474Ereshpadsherchest
>>489063305Okay fine, here's what will happen>it's the end of the summer event, you and eresh enjoying a boat ride courtesy of gilkek>suddenly alaya appears>TIME TO DIE GUDA>you stand up and starts stripping>GUDA WHAT ARE YOU DOING>you repeatedly thrust your penis into eresh's butthole>GUDA STOP HER BOND LEVEL IS TOO HIGH SHE'S GETTING TOO POWERFUL AAAAAIIIIIEEEEE>alaya dies>world is saved>this track plays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoFvkvEQXwc>edison appears and starts clapping>the end
Clearly Lasengle's next break glass in case of emergency is bringing Musashi back
>>489063614>plapping rin's anus to surpass destiny and overcome #Fatekino...
>>489063614retard
>>489063614I prefer a scenario where we get to fuck the cups and Abi for the sale of mana transfering our way to victory
>>489063664Eresh is the last of the top 10 grailed servants without a swimsuit, the last break the glass are unreleased servants/pseudos like Shiki, Touko, Shinji or Agravain, but the appeal of these are niche as only a fraction of the fanbase would be interested in each of them.
>Its been more than 5 years and the musashicope is still going>Even after the samurai remnant collab comfirming she is NEVER coming backthanks for the laugh
>>489063723Abby getting buffed soon..By my penis and cum
>>489063767Eresh is just blond Rin, and Rin already has a swimsuit.
Are illyaposters actually growing more retarded with time?
>>489063723
>>489063857>Rin already has a swimsuitthe thing is, not really though. Rider Ishtar isn't much of one.
>Musashi posting our of nowhere>even 5 years after her death sceneMusashi is too strong for /alter/. Keep posting her, bros :^)
>>489062248
>The last High Servant "we" got in FGO is Xu Fu the Paisenfag
Kojibro buff soon?
So given the new 5 append update, where's the second Arc rate up? We ARE getting one, right?
The dream is real, chuds... 2025+2...
>>489063909One grail has been transferred out of your account Mr.Phantom while you were laughing huhuhu…
>>489064106no
>>489063945>The last High Servant "we" got in FGO is a servant who got her summer version announced literally yesterday
>>489064185walking talking onahole...
Just wait till you guys see the art for Grand Saber Musashi
>>489064025Yea, during the tsukihime event in 2 years +1-24 months
The priest is so based...
>>489064025Just roll 5 Arcs in the paid gacha, bro.
Okay fine, here's what will happen>it's the end of the summer event, you and eresh enjoying a boat ride courtesy of gilkek>suddenly muramasa appears>eresh says something clap >summer kama v2 moment
LEAK LEAK
Dream Musashi soon
>>489064308wanna make her leak...
good night bros
if Tony was legally married to you and loved you and wanted to fuck you, would you have sex with her?
>>489064374illya dreams
>>489064296Nah it's going to be a summer 3 rehash but instead of BB it's speresh and instead of MHXX it's Ciel.
>>489064374good tight bwo
THE LEAK IS REAL BROS!!! THE SECOND BANNER FOR SUMMER 9
>>489064134Yeah, it was transferred yesterday into Hans's ass. Unfortunately.
>>489064308>>489064464>summer of uohI'd whale.
>>489064490Welcome to the (Bro)nzegrailer clan
>>489064185What happened to her shirt? What is she doing with her hand? Why are they in the middle of the jungle?
>>489057501benibros we eating good
They would've been able to keep this up longer if they just turned this into self-contained episodes. Chaldea was supposed to be time-cop and there's a lot of points in history and even fiction that could be visited and they could just release several chapters for one of those per year. Except they raised the stakes with Lostbelts and they have to come up with a bigger bad guy and a more ridiculous situation.
Wouldn't you be able to max out all appends with NP5 now that you don't need the 300 coins for lvl 120?
>>489064679Chrissy looks like that?!
>>489064561Thanks bro. I may as well 120 him just for fun. One day they will buff him again maybe.
>>489057501This means she is getting a swimsuit version and this is the way to promote the character?Man, if that's the case I hope they dont give her tits.
>>489064737you still need coins for 120, what the fuck are you smoking mobro
>>489064542draco's super likely#beast summer
>>489064542This is how they drain my balls
>>489064308Nice
>>489064780motard read the part about grail casting and his pea-sized brain inferred it was about grailing servants to 120
>>489064730i like kagetora :)
>>489064730They can still go back to that. They could easily direct the plot towards that ending that enables us to keep being time squad forever. Make 1 permanent story and 3 event stories per year + reruns. Game could last forever.
>>489064737>now that you don't need the 300 coins for lvl 120?What are you talking about?
>>489064747There's nothing fun about farming 5* embers to 120 a servant. Like throwing ping pong balls into the abyss and expecting it to fill up.
>>489064308>wada servantcheck on your lippas bros...
>theres nips who whaled redditkigal this sunday and woke up with the japanese market crashing
>>489064762beni alter doesn't have tits despite being referred as an "adult", so yeah she'd most likely be flat no matter what
>>489058501wait, they are actually backpedaling on the append stuff?What happened while I was asleep? I mean, /alter/ was making a fuss of it but so far all I saw in twitter was people showing their newly adquired appends, so I assumed japanese were fine with it like they were fine with every shit before
>>489064928Chaldea the new counter force after usurping Alaya, done
>>489064730If fgo2 happens fgo will probably be relegated to isolated singularity time cop stuff like you've described for a couple years til EOS while Nasu / Sakurai / Higashide work on the larger fgo2 plot
>>489064960My second archive is almost full with All 5* EXP... and in general it's full with 5* EXP... Also I have quite a lot in my present box... Future seems bright.
>>489065053pretty much. the way I see it chaldea will have to hack alaya to create a new stable arrangement that allows for extra classes and basically take over as earth's manned defense system, because unmanned auto pilot was shitty and would have failed literally 20 times over if it weren't for your involvement.
>>489062093Is not as if 120 is lots, not enough to compensate the retards that already spent in np8 space eresh
>NO NO NO ITS NOT ENOUGH GIVE NP8 FOR FREE OH AND 999 ROLLS why is alter like this
>>489064931>>489064780>>489064894I misread the original message.
>>489064894>>489064780Not him, but that actually would be a really good way to unfuck this entire situation. Just make 120 no longer require coins, and refund anyone who spent coins. Bam everyone now has 300 coins, which is exactly enough to get the two new appends.
The beasts will be dealt with and the master of Chaldea will answer for their crimes against humanity.
>>489065215Remember when NP5 was all that was needed to max a servant?
>>489065090You remind me of myself before arctic summer arrived, confident that my hoard of 5* embers is enough to immediately 120 the welfare valk
>>489065215Gacha players are unironically very greedy. They dont like the gacha system at all in any game and should honestly just play normal games. As a 50k+ debt casinoCHAD these are perfect games for me.
>>489065276When?
>instead of King of Master, Gudao is gonna become the King of Beast and impregnates Alaya, turning Human Order into Beast Order
>>489065346Before servant coins retard
>>489065324I remember when I bought a game and it came with everything
>>489065382You mean the Best Order
I ran out of coins...My monthly grails....
>>489065276no. Silver fous always existed on NA, as did lv 100 black grail/extra protags/curse. IDK if JP launched without fous.
>>489065382>impregnates Alayanow THAT'S a twist
>>489065324>50k+ debt casinoCHADthats like one game away from being fixed
>>489058501>I'm not defending them, I just think it's okay to exploit people so I am defending them.weird take though honestly
>>489065276Thats why I never aimed over np2 or lv100. I knew trying to "max" a character on a gacha like this was simply impossible.It was obvious the very moment they locked first append and 120 behind nps.What surprises me is that people didn't realize before
>>489065450It's fine, you don't need to do monthly casting anymore. You'll just get all of them in 2 years.
>>489065301>120 the welfare valkHow is the progress bro? Honestly despite having 3 120, I forgot what it's like except sitting 3 hours to level up.
Has anyone actually managed to grail every single servant to 120? JP or NA of course.
>>489065324I'd rather play a fate mmo but one does not exist so this is as social as a fate game gets.
>>489065460The difference is that you don't need to spend money to get silver fous and Holy Grails.
>>489065575There aren't enough grails for that anon. Not even close actually, even though there are a lot of grails.
>>489065575I don't think there are enough grails for that.
That gold saber from the strenghtening js Jack, right? There is no way other ssr assassin get's it, right?
>>489057079They could have rounded up the NP damage...
>>489056949We actually did it?!
>>489065586you don't need to spend money to 120 or append a servant either.SQ isn't money anon. You can always save more. Most people didn't get NP5 before coins for the same reason you don't want to get beyond NP5 now.
>>489065567Currently eating apples to farm today's assassin hands, she's at 116 now. Thankfully I haven't unlocked her appends yet.
>>489065640based on the jp rateup and the timing, its kama.
none of the money this game generates seems to go back into it or fix it. really makes you think
>>489065528You can definitely max out characters in other gacha though.GFL for example, gives your dolls an upgrade that is similar to grailing, except it takes zero premium currency to max her up to level 120 and two skills to level 10.Well, maybe the SF doll is a better comparison as it requires quite a lot of resources (if f2p) to max out.
>>489065630Love !!!!
>>489065673They fucked themselves over legally with the warnings they put on the grail casting system. People noticed and trended a twitter (currently know as twitter) tag.
In 2 years everyone will have a level 120 max append Cu, just as Nasu intended.
>>489065684A lot of people were okay with getting to NP5. A lot less people were okay with being asked to go past that. Way, way less people are okay with being asked to go even past that. "It doesn't affect me and it's just an option so it doesn't matter" is just stupid thinking.
>>489056949There's too many words, someone dumb it down for me!
What would you do in this situation?
NPC Jail…I’m leaving…
arent they going to double up everyones coins since they cant tell who used what coin for grails? so now you dont even need np8 you only need np4
>>489065564Oh shit, thanks.
Post your 90++ comps
Based ?
>>489065854start pissing
>>489065854Pat her head and cup her cheek.
>>489065883The figuring out how to refund coins and give grails is why it's going to take a couple months
>>489065854open his pants...
>>489065910Oi saber cast cast xufu
https://x.com/tokitugukosuiwi/status/1820293599789191224
>so now you dont even need np8 you only need np4Keep waiting and hoping
>>489065854thishttps://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/119278075
>>489065910*uses Golden Apple**selects final 40AP**picks 10/10/10 Waver with MLB HNS**loading before battle for another 30 seconds*Battle startsWave 1HMM, DEWA KOUSHIYO>ATK up, ATK Plus, NP GainHMM, DEWA KOUSHIYO>DEF up, Damage Cut, NP GainKUDARAN>Critical Up, NP GainIKU ZE>NP Gain, +3000HPSTELLAAAAAAA*rapidly tap to skip Arash death animation*Wave 2*plugsuit swap noises*TSUMANAI RENCHU DA NA, HOKA NI YARU KOTO NAI NO?>ATK up, ATK Plus, NP GainJA, KO IU NO WA DOU DA?>DEF up, Damage Cut, NP GainMAKASE NA, KAZE NI NARU ZE>NP GainMAKASE NA, KAZE NI NARU ZE>Quick Up, C. Star Drop Rate UpSONJA KATTOBASOU KA; BEAR HOWLING, GOOOOLDEN DRIIIIIIIIVE... GOOD NIGHTWave 3JA, KO IU NO WA DOU DA?>Critical Up, NP GainUFUFU, SATE>Ignore Invincible, Quick UpTAMA NI WA JOUHIN NI NA>Target Focus, Critical Up*plugsuit buff noises*KAGE NO KUNI E TSURETE IKOU; GAE BOLG ALTERNATIVEMADA MADA, HATERU NA YO*CE doesn't drop*over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
>>489065854Unzipped his pants.
>>489065703NP5 wasn't even that steep an ask. Hard, certainly. But not exactly unachievable as F2P, not for your favorites. NP8 is just stupid, especially sprung after so much time of "finality" being established. The inherent inequality of the system being sprung this way makes it worse. People who just rolled 6 copies of Aoko can't feel good about having no idea when they could even max her fully now if they wanted to. It's all just so stupid.
We got coins and appends one year early. We might get the new appends, as well as the 120 SQ and the coin refund and the ability to switch and the grails one year early as well (though it'd be less grails since it'd mean less months).
>>489066107sovl back when the hardest farming node was easily farmable as f2ps
>>489065854Shout surprise! because I am Aoko and I am playing a funny prank on my good platonic friend Sono-G.
what would you do in this situation?https://files.catbox.moe/ub0p4y.jpg
>The seething has been brewing for two years since the coins were introduced>The system is crap and is aimed only at milking those who are worried about lost profits>Not to mention that 90++ are just quests inflated in terms of HP, which require more and more NP5 servants2-kun in very bad position... Even SlavKANGZ know coin system is too jewish...
>>489066157>as well as the 120 SQ and the coin refund and the ability to switch and the grails one year early as welllollmao evenyou'll get your early 4/5 appends and you will like it.
>>489065854
>>489066135>np5>not that steepTha vast majority of your SRs are not fucking NP5, saying SSRs at NP5 is not steep is insane unless you are a megaluckgod.
>>489065854Whip out my dick and tell her to start sucking
>watched ufotable fate's>read tsukihime>read mahoyo>watched garden of sinners>in the middle of tsukihime remake, in the middle of FGO pre lost belts, on day one of FSN visual novelWhat do I do lads?
>toggleable Bond CE effect>Bond 10 and 15 voice lines>actual big increase in stats so 1* at level 120 will have the same HP and Atk range of 5* at level 120>more welfares and events in shop so latelet or newbie will have a reason to keep playing>Pity for SR: each 300 quartz will always give the SR on rateup, then the next 300 quartz will always give the other SR if it's a two SR rateup>Step-Up: 90-180-270-360-450-540-630-720-810-900 quartz, each level will increase the chance to get the SSR and SR on rateup from the original to 100% at 900 quartz>instead of 20 ember, you can jam in 100 ember to level servants and CE
>>489065779before coins, most people only did NP1, maybe NP2 for the ability to overcharge and the 30% damage boost, but it wasn't necessary. Even we changods said np1 was enough np5 was the realm of mega whales.Now its the same. just +2. Most people just go for NP3 to hit 120 and get the most useful append. Even after this change most people will still stick with np3, and its only the tryhards and whales that will push for NP6 for the superfluous max.In the future it will still be the same. Very few relevant characters actually need that 1 turn CD reduction. Arc and Ibuki can use it, but Arc doesn't need mana loading so np3 is enough, and ibuki does pathetic damage in that meme setup someone posted earlier. Regular players will stick at np3 and be completely unaffected by this change. Only the whales and completionist autists will suffer.And before you say it doesn't affect me, I'm locked in going for np24 later this year my guy. It affects me a lot. I'm in a shitty position here where whatever their "fix" is probably won't be deployed or even detailed to the players before my rateup happens, and its been 4 years since the last one on NA and another hasn't come in JP since, so I don't have the option to not roll. I just have to swallow cock and hope their fix will make it right.
Japanese fans status?
Morgancucks...
>>489065419Damn Lauren a granny.DLCs have existed since like the 1990's
>>489066315It's a year's worth of quartz on average. It is demanding F2P, but in the years-long-progress treadmill that is a mobage it's achievable for your favourite. Especially for us with 2 years advanced warning. Different ballgame for JP who has to ride the waves as they come.
just let us use extra np levels for bond levels 15+
>>489065854thought that was charlotte from the thumbnail. now i'm not even interested
>>489066403and I was born in 1990
>>489066324Finish the VN so you can move onto the kino that is Hollow Ataraxia.
>Um, sorry...>Is it true that from now on, to perfect a Servant, you will need a Noble Phantasm level of 8...?>I just spent 340,000 yen to upgrade Aoko and Alice to Noble Phantasm level 6 in May...>Aoko confirmed 2000$ slutIT'S MAHOYO TIME!
>>489066382If it were any other servant I might care but morgan gets so many rateups this fag can just save 1800 SQ and wait 3 months and he'll get another banner to roll the last 2 copies.
I'm gonna be genuinely pissed at this point if the 5 star rider isn't a DUDE upgrade that makes his buster skill a 3 turn buff and adds a 30-50% battery to it.
>>489066425i only roll on gssrs and decided to just save to max out my favorite servant instead of rolling on everythingi knew it was going to be long but was okay with it having to go for np8 to do that now just depresses me since i was finally close to being done with it
>>489066640Arc and Aesc definitely need the paypigging though.
>>489066640>just summon more copies brothis is not a solution to the coin problem
>>489065703Thats why I said "on a Gacha like this"I have no problems in maxing my BA girls for example.I think I already have enough Hina coins for ue50 from spooks, but if not I could always buy them with the "blank coins"But FGO was obvious since the beginning they didn't have the intention of letting you max for free
>Still needs NP8It's over
>>489066737But it is.
>>489066679It will be Medb.
BENI BUFF FUCK YEAH, THAT'S ALL I WANTED.And it's so fucking good too.>>489064636ALWAYS HAVE
>>489066737It is, just get 10 copies. It's that easy. Don't tell me you aren't an ATM for the fate frenchise?
>>489066714Does it even work with Aesc? Does she spawn in with 1 less turn CD on her 3rd skill if she has 5th append? That's actually pretty solid. She's decent by inches. that probably pushes her into greatness if it works. if not, eh i'd need to reread the rest of her kit to see why it might not suck.
>>489066760Commahime, gudaguda 7 isn't here yet! Now get back into the throne!
>>489065852https://litter.catbox.moe/pbjwli.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/z6qhjr.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/kq35q5.png
NOT. MY. PROBLEM.PEDOCHADS. RISE. UUUUUPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>489066873
funfact: Arknights lets you max out characters without having to roll for extra copies
>>489066360You're lumping a lot of people in as one way, but the thing is, when most people play these games they have faves. And it is natural to want to invest and make these as strong as you can. Going for NP5 had real benefits that varied from servant to servant, but most people aren't actually playing this game, or most mobage, so seriously for the gameplay. Some people do, certainly, but more people are interesting in investing into the character they like the most. People aren't getting outraged at lacking the append for gameplay purposes. They're mad at saying roll more copies to max your fave. All of this did change. It changed with coins saying NP6, and now the rules of it changed again. Look how big our own chart is of people who have maxed, or very nearly maxed, a servant. We're just a small fraction of the playerbase, and one of the more autistic english communities, but we aren't that unique. People everywhere are concerned about how to farm 90++ nodes, but that's still second to their broader goal of, generally, wanting whoever they like the most to be as strong as they can make them. And when that treadmill extends to "actually now you have to roll 1.5x as many copies as we originally said" it's a major change. This idea that maxing a servant is some totally optional thing is missing the point that it's what most people WANT to do.
>>489066324Tsukihime into KT
Aoko in 628 days
>>489056997>120 sq gomenasorryImagine spending 1800 sq for 2 additional nps for new appends.They refund you 120 sq
>>489065689Stay strong bro, and don't overeat apples.
>>489066943Fun fact:
>>489066943But it's chinkslop. China bad.
>>489066806god please just let her first skill confer all benefits to herSHE HAD FAIRY BLOOD IN HER FUCKING LORE YOU HACKS GIVE HER THE FAE TRAIT
>>489066943>playing Chinkslop
No i will not play Blue Archive.No i will not play Arknights.Stop trying to shill your garbage to me im not going to play it.
>Extra attackmeme>Mana loadingGood>Bonus damage vs XDepends on X and the servant, usually a meme.>Crit resitance vs XExtremely shit. Not even a meme>Crit damageWay overrated. It's a meme on everyone who isn't a soloer or Gogh. >CooldownMeme on most servants.
>>489067091>>489067032Isn't half of FGO development outsorced to chinkland?
>>489066923Void Chadius Maximilianus report in.#NotMyProblem
hehebro
>>489066526Ngl I'm more intetested in HA than I am of base FSN>>489067000I got a big into KT but I think I fucked up my save file so I haven't played it since.
>>489066863From what I heard, it won't affect S3 because the cooldown reduction only becomes available after you use the skill.But her S1 now goes from 7 turns at level 10 to 6 turns, allowing her to use double Koyanskaya + Oberon where it previously did not work.
>>489067252Bro, don't point out inconvenient facts that go against the narrative...
>>489067217>memeExtra attack is very useful for solo servants.
Eresh's wacky economy crash is kinda scary bros...
>>489067328Yes. On everyone else it's shit.
>>489066519Nta >older than me I always thought almost every /alter/bro is younger than me...
>>489066923EA GG!AUO HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THIS ONE!
>>489067293You'll enjoy HA more if you finish the VN. It's worth it.
>>489067217For all farming purposes the only ones that actually matter nearly-universally are mana loading and bonus damage against class. The latter is rarely bad but also rarely good, but none of the others except the couple of skill CD use cases matter for automated farming at all.
>>489067407/alter/ has a lot of 30+.
>>489067407Bro you're like 30 not MethuselahThere are several 50+ year olds here
>>489066923>150 announcedwhere are your coins now
>>489066923MusashiGOD report in!Not my le problem :P
>>489067440>No grails
>>489066519Gilf Lauren...
>>489067217>Meme on most servantsActually any quick or arts servant with 5 turn cooldown skills are worth examining to see if atlas beats out other non plugsuit variants (since nothing will ever beat out a 3rd skadi or oberon)
>>489067440>tfw jobgamesh would still job to Liz!
>>489067443HA is so fucking kino
>The Saint......REPORT. IN.VIVA LE FRANCE!(before immigrants took over our country)
>>489067091Turns out you will never max out your Circe, fraud
I burn all the extra copies of the SSRs I roll...
>>489067450Manaloading is usually required for farming.Bonus damage only matters for some farmers. CD will matter for some, like Arc.
Habbycat
>>489067714Evil Marie trying to bait us with coloured contacts? Cause good mary has a plank for her chest.
>>489067509>>489067552I hope all alterbroomers are safe and take care of themselves.
>>489065564as someone who never cast any grails really, how many grails would that be like 60?
>>489067407Im 70 years old.
>>489067925SEXOOOOOOOOOO
>>489067927Post hands and timestamp.
>Dobrynya get more art than XucuckZ
>>489067824Right. But actually like 90% of servants won't truly care about Skill CD at all. Anti-X for basically any AoE servant is an investment that can easily pay off. Whether it makes a real difference? Rarely. I know Space Ishtar with A3 had an easier time farming one of the Christmas nodes I want to say, some Archer node. It can be enough to make up for an NP level against those classes or thereabouts. It is simply the only one that will come up other than mana loading for 3t automata farming. Relying on crits and extra attack is RNG and the skill CD just doesn't really change anything for most.
>>489062839Assassin
The new appends in JP increase the servantcoins to max from 660 to 900180 comes from bond, so the amount required from NP levels is 720For SSRs that's 8 copies at bond 159 if you want it by bond 11At 0.8%, on average NP8 costs 2727 SQ. Infinite Pity creates a hardcap of 7200 SQ.For Limited SRs that's 15 copies at bond 14.16 copies gets it by bond 11At the solo rate of 2.1%, on average NP15 will take 1948 SQ.At the 2-way split-rate of 1.2%, on average NP15 will take 3409 SQAt the 3-way split=rate of 0.8%, on average NP15 will take 5114 SQFor Permanent SRs that's 24 copies at bond 15.27 copies gets it by bond 11At the solo rate of 2.1%, on average NP24 will take 3117 SQ.At the 2-way split-rate of 1.2%, on average NP24 will take 5455 SQ.At the 3-way split rate of 0.8%, on average NP24 will take 8182 SQLimited Rs give the same coins as Permanent SRsAt their rate of 4%, on average NP24 will take 1636SQ.Now you know!I look forward to seeing a twitter post from some jp player claiming they hit pity 8 times and provide the receipts to prove it.Officially requesting for any AI bro to generate a few images of Jets, or any other common pool SR, committing suicide.Average SQ calculated as 100% / rate% / 1.1 x 3 x copies. Does not account variance AKA terrible luck.
>>489068109Space Ishtar is an omnilooper, though. She's the exception, not the rule.
>>48906789024 per year. JP should be getting 48, I believe. We will get more unless we also get it early, since we got coins and casting earlier than they did.
>>4890681340% chance they give a clappy anni servant such a shitty class
>>489068183oh yeah that's why i was thinking 60 because we got it earlier. so like 48 probably
>>489068163There are a lot of servants that can omni-loop at this point though, it's mostly just a matter of damage. And getting the extra damage can open up use cases for them. The name of the game for most loopers is neutral damage to begin with.
>both the summer slavcat and Xu Fu instantly got memoryholed due to this fiasco
>>489068109in morganfest you can max arash's append 1 and give him a level 100 CE and he can take out the first wave without grails or gfous just barely.
>>489068143>I look forward to seeing a twitter post from some jp player claiming they hit pity 8 timesNo one deserves this much suffer. Except some people but they are very rare to meet. >7200 SQHow much is it? 4000$?
>>489068143>NP24fuck me...
>>489068491Ok.*fucks you*
>>489061840I hope some retards on NA will start dumping all their coins expecting to get them back in the future.
>>489068143Now calculate how level 150 will grind everyone's souls into dust if it follows the same rules as 120.
I need bond level 9 in order to unlock 2 append skills at NP2 for an SSR?
>>489068491bareback? Slut.
bros....should i get 2 more copies for NP8?or should i wait for universal coins?
PHH has fallenMillions extra class servants must be summoned
>>489068413Why would you max append 1 for Arash
>>489068472>>489068143Didn'' we already have someoen who spent 10k Quarts and didn't get the servant?
>>489068264We didn't get it early. We only got servantcoins early. Coingrailing we got right on time. We just had a year of extra time to build up a stockpile of coins that could hold out longer than jp originally could.
>>489068556Universal coins aren't coming bro, you gotta roll if you want her maxed out.
>>489068556>or should i wait for universal coinsWill never happen.Roll for 2 more copies if you want her maxed.
>>489068567Yes
>>48906847280 USD = 167sq IIRC. You can pretty much just halve the number.
>>489064490You got a 0 there...
>>489068675...That one doesn't count.
>>489068228They will just give her ridiculous stats to counter the shitty multiplier and a skill to chance class affinity
Liz (Yasuke)
>>489068543I did that earlier. I believe it was NP13, 25, and 39, respectively. i don't feel like remathing or checking the archive.>>489068582because it's anti-rider damage and the 90++ node wave 1 is riders.
>>489068556Dont roll more because you shouldnt love this raitabortion
>>489068793Thats append 3 bro
>>489068556Save your SQ for Lip.
>>489068819I thought 1 was anti-class, 2 was mana loading, and 3 was extra attack.guess i got it backwards?
>>489068793>39 copies of a non-limited SR to guarantee your safety in the 150pocalypse that's comingPouring one out for Bobbros everywhere.
>>489068910yup. A3 is anti-class/crit def by class.
how is the Caster Cu system affected by skill cooldown reduction?
>>489069012Bob is Story-Locked and Story-Locked SR servants get the same Servant Coins as Limited SR servants.
>>489069081Oh sorry. Circe then.
30m hype let's gooooooooooooooooo
>>489069232Youll get a ticket which gives you 10 coins of ANY servant you want :)
>>4890693129 whole coins? Whatever did the playerbase do to earn 8 servant coins for free?
>Bought a bug swatter>spent the evening sitting in my yard just killing mosquitos
hope they increase the bond cap
>>489069619it's fun
Never hope, never lose.
>>489069619>Ah yes, the destruction of the meteor...>Is just like the electrical popping of the mosquito swatter...
>>489069619Poor mosquitos.
>>489069619literally me when I was 12yo killing rats with a air gun
>completely revamp coin and casting system>coins are melted down into general coins now with rarity giving modifiers to amount>general coins can be made into holy grails or converted into specific coins at a conversion rate and heavy QP cost>general coins handed out in eventssimple fucking as, the system doesn't have to be totally fucked, there's good in there. It is nice to have things to do with excess servant copies, to melt them down into resources. Lower the cost of monthly grail casting and give some other uses for servant coins like buying RP or something. Tie everything in together and make a functional fucking system out of what's already there. Bad game design, which is all too common in long lived live service games, is stapling systems atop one another over and over again instead of coming back and unifying systems.
>>489069182>Circefags will have less money to spend on dick ratings
>>489069619whats your NP called?
Servant for this feeling? >>489069619
>>489069878Pop Pop Pop Watching Malaria Drop
>>489069637Make it unlimited or something like 100.
>>489069637120 servant coins to unlock every extra bond level past 15
>wake up >coin hotfix, grails and sq gift>beni-enma buffwowstill problems but this is a big step imo
>>489069954Anti-Army(Mosquito)
>>489067764>MUH MAXXING!!!How does Albert's cock taste? Have fun rolling for NP8 SSRs and FUCKING NP24 FOUR STARS! >y-you don't love her!Giving greedy Japs your money isn't love lol.
>>489069619is that thing actually electrified? why? Just get an actual bug zapper at that point. If you're going to use effort and swat something the impact will kill it, there's no reason to electrify it.
>>489070116I look like this
>>489070102>If you're going to use effort and swat something the impact will kill it,No it won't
>>489069816yep this is the best thingyou could even inflate the coin cost of appends/grails given that coins would be highly accessible
need to cumpost your best doujins
>>489069829>paid to get called a dicklet>this can't be realI used to believe the same about dragon dildos, I was it was a joke. How naive I was
>>489056949>Still need !!!NP28!!! for perma SRs>all welfares still beyond fucked>Trashu still turbofucked>retarded bandaid append swapping new feature to treat symptom instead of treating cause(COINS)>Retroactive grail refunds spanning years, rendering the entire feature pointless>A coin fix is coming in the future, we promise you ;) Japs will see all this, the most ridiculously greedy gacha in town, and still EHHHHH 120 QUARTZ SUGOIIIIIHow this grandpa game continues to be greedier than any Ch*nese gacha is truly amazing, jesus fucking no other game requires DOUBLE DIGIT dupes lmao
>>489069012They probably can never pull another "you need to roll more copies" deal ever again after this. The trust is gone. If they release anything that makes you roll more than 8/15/24, people will learn. third times the charm. they'll understand it will never stop and they'll just quit.Frankly anything short of reducing those numbers to 7/11/11 (<2500 SQ average) is a disgrace. Fucking imagine the audacity of the numbersman that decided a servant being locked to split rateups or common pool should deserve further punishment
>>489070102>no reasonIt sounds cooler and has a higher kill rate.
>>489070167every hunk of junk dollarstore fly swatter I have ever used to swat any flying insect disagrees
>>489070102>bug zapperIt's a meme. The light attract dumb insects like moths but it's not actually effective against mosquitos since they tune into human's body heat, breathing and odor.
>>489069637I would rather prefer them to make it meanful.Like it increases the attack or at least it open some special lines
>>489070283Screencap this post and look back at it when in 1-2 years they introduce some other massive jewshit into their game.
>>489070315There are specific types of lights that work for them but have fun finding bug zapper with them
>can max my van gogh appends now>can switch them to crit damage / cooldown when those go livestill going to work towards megamaxxing
>>489070076Why are you seething, fraud? Do you even love her?
>>489070298You need to swat that against a surface. With the electrical swatter, you don't, you just wave it around and ZAP, it's dead.
>>489070483>>489070483>>489070483
>>489070102>no fun allowed
>>489070430No you don't, the sheer impact force they receive when it hits them mid air kills them
>>489070417i'm not saying it won't happen, i'm just saying when it does it'll cause mass uninstalls that'll make this debacle look like a joke.
>>489070076Stop seething
>>489058113Yui a cute, Milly a cute.
>>489058559Teen Mom at the top of the pack.
