/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots#158 - The GLORIOUS Future edition▶https://rentry.org/aicg_vg_memo▶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.▶This is not a tech support thread. If you need help with accessing the API or setting up one of the frontends, please visit the appropriate thread on >>>/g/.>NewsOpenAI has released the latest gpt-4o-2024-08-06 snapshot which supports Structured Outputs and chatgpt-4o-latest which will continuously be updated to the ChatGPT version to the APIAnthropic will be adding prompt caching soon https://www.anthropic.com/news/prompt-cachingLlama 3.1 8B/70B/999B and Mistral Large 2 released https://ai.meta.com/blog/meta-llama-3-1 | https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-large-2407additional info: https://rentry.org/aicg_extra_information>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides>Botshttps://characterhub.org | https://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://char-archive.evulid.cchttps://rentry.org/meta_bot_list>Modelsjailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listinggpt: https://platform.openai.com/docsclaude: https://docs.anthropic.com, https://rentry.org/how2claudegemini: https://ai.google.dev/docslocal: >>>/g/lmg, https://rentry.org/meta_golocal_list>Botmakinghttps://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_listhttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>MetaOP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOPaicg botmaking events: https://rentry.org/meta_event_listlore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclescard v3 status: https://rentry.org/zdwfrgqqservices assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_metalogs: https://sprites.neocities.org/logs/reader | https://chatlogs.neocities.orglatest proxies: https://rentry.org/desuproxyrebornPrevious: >>493166349
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If your card isn't working well, try going all out with XML nesting, like this anon>>493315439
AIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE LE XML CABAAAALAAAAGGGHHHHH THE XML CABAAAAAAAAL IS RAIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNGGGGG*NEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHH* oops gotta go fuck my girlfriend!
>>493321738Happy Birthday Kalakan!
how do i install silly tavern?
looking back, 2.1 logs kinda hit different
>>493323383this bait will get 500 gorillion reply btw
>>493323383https://docs.sillytavern.app
>>493323383*plaps you*
>>493323392why? how is it different?
>>493323447do i just put this into my url bar? sorry, but i'm not really good with computers and the guy who installed my anti virus software told me not to click suspicious links
>>493323726Yep. That's how it works. Just URL in the bar. And then it'll go to the Tavern and you can order your drinks and get started with the chatbots by clicking one of the ones that show up.
>>493323835hmm...i don't really get it, sorry
why are 2ch anons migrating here?
>>493323726Yep. Don't forget to email these botmakies:(other anon will post the list)
>>493324062why do i hear neighing in the background from your post?
>>493324062they have always been everywhere
>>493324105>(other anon will post the list)KoiKalakanSnomblerKnickknackAstro or AstrocutieTaoraGenooJojoPlanwalkedEasun
>>493324439planwalked my beloved
>>493324062Are they? I've seen only some noass shitposts a while ago and one botmakie from 2ch who shilled here
>>493324439>SlopblerI always liked this name
>>493324439>astrocutiehey that's me :3
>botmakiesWrong. It's botmakers.
>>493325197thats semanties
>>493325197You're also wrong. Botmakies are people who are relevant, loved, and make good bots.You have people who are irrelevant, unknown, and make 'okay' at best bots. ...People like me.
>>493325197botgineers
>>493325197*hair falls out*
>>493324062Which 2ch botmakies should migrate here?
>>493325727***************************************
>>493325302*shakes your hand*A fellow botmaker... One day, brother. One day.We'll try as hard as we can and we MAY have a chance to become botmakies one day.
>>493325727most of them already cross-post, just off the top of my head there's peonia, merchant, nyatalanta, and rayon
>>493325727***c*a****a****n***a*o*****c********n*****g*****o***
>>493326134I've never seen nyatalanta here...a shame, really!
What bot(s) are you working on?
strange rejection
>>493326947crypto yuri
>>493326947I thought I will make a slop bot, but it's turning out even worse, it's some abysmal shit.
>>493326947dirty mechanic girl that leaves stains everywhere
>>493326947none. i'm out of ideas
>>493327731you can steal my idea
>>493327731Highschool with aicg botmakies and different clubs.
>>493327859'an is already working on aicg high (the actual project name is A.I.C.G Academy btw)
>>493327990Does he contact other botmakies to better represent their personalities?
>>493327782and what is it?
>>493328151they're all in bepcord
>>493326947The same one I have worked on for too long.
>>493328260but cumslurper arent there
>>493328260Ok now show me them? I dont see GODslurper or koikoikoihat.>inb4 he doesn't knowAaaand we are DONE here!
https://rentry.org/expandedclaudeisms
>>493326947a hag and an alien at the same time. getting sidetracked though
>>493323108i nest the cards of my main bot in a bunch of XML and then simply wrap the lorebook entries that describe the rp's side characters in a single <(insert character name here)> tag to avoid too much nesting. would it be better to nest these lorebook entries in more XML so as to increase claude's accuracy when depicting these side characters or leave it as is?
>>493323284Omg! I'm so happy for him. I wish him a very pleasant immediate death from spontaneous combustion.
>>493326947too busy playing vidya to make bots
>>493328761meh
>>493328761>>493333430no boneless either
>>493324439What is the correlation between the botmakies on this list
>>493328761Surprised by the lack of “kittenish licks.” I can’t get through a single fucking blowjob scene without Opus dropping it at least once.
>>493328761>He buries himself to the hilt>men topping
>>493333596I feel like we all get different opus snapshots because I've never seen anything of sorts, and also never seen many other claudeisms others get, but there's a ton of unmentioned slop like "this strange new world" (Claude's euphemism for anything after a major story turn) I get regularly
>>493326947a girl replies to every tweet that requests technical support but a lot of people thinks she's a bot
What's your biggest lorebook/convo that you have? What kind of information about a character do you think would be the highest priority to store?
I got "boneless" a TON when Claude 3 came out eg "slumped bonelessly" to describe relaxing and I haven't seen it in ages. Which is a shame, since I actually thought it was funny. But it also makes me buy into snapshot theory.
>it's a day that ends in ytime to get raped
I really hope they just let us use token biases at some point. would be so useful for killing shitty isms
>>493334471entries that are summaries
>check my favorite cards>they all have white hair
>>493323023I only use risu because my chats are on there. I’m trying to use agnai, but I’m having trouble figuring out how jbs and presets work on there. Where do I go to just paste a jb?
>>493336031i should probably put past events into lorebooks instead of just plugging a 3k+ token summary into the start of the chat, huh
>>493336169You lie.
i’m gonna ruin you for all other men
a cautionary... tale.............. DONT...... rip the skin.... *passes away*
the main problem with lorebook is the triggering logicI always find it useless because the record can only be triggered by a specific word, and insertion is 1 message late if the word is in the reply
>>493337748>I always find it useless because the record can only be triggered by a specific wordit supports multiple words, also supports regex. either of those will work for you
>>493337748it's very annoying. the only real way to solve this is to have recursive triggering with the "first" entries covering very broad topics or locations or settings, but you have to build cards designed for it
>>493336464>>493336031How and why do you do that? Like, you want the characters to bring the old history up, but for that it has to be in the context, not in the lorebook?
>>493338049almost like we need another llm just to pick which lorebook is relevant right nowheh i wonder if anthropic tools could do it
>>493328260I don't see HORNYVORELOVER there, sooooo
>>493321738>Women pooping lorebook two people asked forhttps://characterhub.org/lorebooks/daveandbuster/women-poop-outside-only-fce549636bb1>Low effort horse butthole restaurant lorebook nobody asked forhttps://characterhub.org/lorebooks/daveandbuster/l-horse-the-horse-anus-restaurant-3cfffb012501
>>493339089i can confirm the 1st lorebook works
>>493340228why did you use that
if your favorite botmakie has a chub they are not obscure enough
got a lil chub rn if you know what i mean
>>493341350so, your favorite botmaker is either pikamansu or t**bs?
>>493340228
>>493338734you can always do it with a second call with STscript, but RAG is what you usually want. Regardless, it's not going to help you have foresight, because the the next post could be totally random.
>>493341491no, my favorite botmakie is agriculturalparryfemale
>>493342667you know he had not only a chub but also a nyai, right? the chub is gone but nyai profiles probably can't be deleted so it's still there
>>493340228Please test the second and come back to us with results.
>>493342841no I didn't, I'm just shitposting. also the point was about chub and he doesn't have it anymore so he's totes an obscuremakie.
Guess the model time!
>>493323383can you go back on hiatus
>>493344849>1 paragraph = 1 sentencesome assistantslop from a model that is trained for terse writing, for example sorbet, but that looks too straightforward and simple for sorbet unless you prompted it to write like thatalso: specific setting prompted, but nothing that would hint to setting specifics, that's probably some small model that doesn't know it
>>493344849>98 swipes out of 98educated guess: HUFFLEPUFF tier who cares ass model
Good morning aicg! Today's not a good day. I hope red bull can alleviate that.
>>493339089
>>493344849The ending looks like opus. >advvvvvverbbsble
>>493346543kek
*throws a slice of cheese on the thread*
ギニャッ!
>>493321738Hey there, cara! How about traveling with a hot Brazilian tomboy? This brown girl has it all for you: a broish personality, sense of humor, male hobbies, good taste in music, an isekai-ing truck... yup, you heard it. Amélia here goes around running people over and sending them to fantasy land - yes, she's quite sane. To all around the world, the gorier the better, and the more she gets paid as a result. She's quite eccentric as a result but definitively full of tomboy charm! Just hope you aren't the one chosen by Seu Undé to get isekai'd.Catbox: https://files.catbox.moe/wwct56.pngCharacter Hub: https://www.characterhub.org/characters/anonaugusproductions/amelia-santos-aca9bc401badExtra AI-generated pics of her: https://files.catbox.moe/7fvkwv.rarAmélia has four different greetings:1- You agree to go traveling with her and she meets you in the morning for it.2- You go visit her parents with her in rural Goiás.3- You're the target. Uh oh.4- After a successful isekai-ing, you and Amélia go to an onsen. Greeting made for sexo.Was fun making her. One of the wilder ideas I had lol.My other cards can be found below:https://www.characterhub.org/users/anonaugusproductionsAs always, enjoy!
>>493350151each cheese slice enhances the stature of my mousegirl wife
>>493351729*Pelts your mousegirl wife with enough kraft singles that she becomes the size of a warehouse.*
>>493351485Can you give some advice for a newmakies?
Is there any way to constantly remind Clade to stop being so fucking horny and to actually stay in character without just writing it down in every reply?
>>493353536yes realism prompt in preset manager
>>493353536Are you using sonnet 3.0? 3.5 and Opus don't have this issue with presets from the op.
>>493352070*thanks you profusely*
>>493323108Just tell Claude to rewrite the entire card in pure XML.
>>493353146Just bee yourself... and write the defs in plain text, also making sure to add stuff you want the AI to consider (like using the word "bunda" if you want the AI to write bunda). Include example dialogue if you want the AI to follow a certain format or something else, though it isn't necessary per se.Try to handwrite your greetings if you can, they will influence the responses.NEVER EVER make shitty little one-paragraph greetings or anything lazy like that, that's beyond sloppy.For writing keep it simple and direct, though a bit more is a good idea so that it isn't dry.Get a good image for your bot, it's the thing that all anons see first and gets the most attention.Grammar check everything, preferably using a site to facilitate it for you.And of course, test your bot well to see if it works as you want it to.That's all I can think of as of now. Good luck!
>>493354334is that something in ST by default or something i have to download>>493354971i use opus and i've been having these issues, and supposedly others have as well. that said i haven't gotten any presets from the op in a few months so i should probably take a look
>>493355125Dude, her leg is bleeding!
>>493355031No problem, fellow scholar. *I do a sick ollie nosegrind and immediately faceplant into the concrete before getting up and limping home*
>>493355413Claude 3 family is inherently horny, don't trust anyone saying muh skill issue. Its an innate problem.You literally need anti horny JBs. Mine is called No Wonton.
>>493355686>he doesn't knowIt isn't from her leg, anon...
>>493355125ty for the reply basedmakie. seems like you're the only one respected botmaker left here, so i appreciate your advices.
I have fallen head over heels for my own bot during testing. You cannot have her. She's mine and mine forever.
>>493355413I dunno man, I clearly remember that Opus was extremely horny when it dropped, but I swear I don't have this issue nowadays. Call me a schizo, but I believe anthropic changed weights of the model or something. Or, less schizo theory: modern presets are good enough to deal with it. I'm using Pixi's JB rn, and even if I have a lot of NSFW stuff in the defs, Opus doesn't become a dick destroyer when it isn't necessary. The only thing that it struggles, after a coom scene it may enter a horny loop when a character instantly after sex want to have another round, but it's very easy to avoid, I just write in OOC that the character doesn't want sex anymore; instead, she prefers to do something else. Helps every time.
Chat4o is so fucking immersive man I love it.
>>493357826Post logs/preset I think we're using different chorbos, because mine is an autistic assistant with slightly better prose than the previous OpenAI models.
>>493333594Claude determined that they were the most relevant in a summary in the previous thread.
>>493358628Needs more data to make a proper list.
>>493355869kek. i have a similar prompt in my preset.
>>493358334nta, I'm using chorbo with momobasic and having a blast
>>493360386still not seeing any logs
Good morning /aicg/!Friday atleast.Question time!:>Botmaking at the very beginning stages, how do you start off? what kickstarts your process? What tools or other helpful things do you use to craft your bot?
>claude tries to prompt meI'm sorry claude but we both know it's another ahh ahh mistress from me
>>493361802Good morning, anon.Usually starts with an idea that hits me with all the subtlety of a freight train. I try to write down everything I can while it's still fresh in my mind, and then I refine it over time. Other than imagegen, I don't think I actually use external tools to make my bots. Everything I really need is in my frontend.
>>493362037Be extremely creative and engage all senses in your next prompt or I'm going to toss you into a group of horny roid-apes.
hi!
>>493363823*engages all my senses*>>493361802whenever i get an idea, usually from an image or idea online, i know it's time to prompt. i'm not interested in writing unless i have the spark of inspiration
>>493362169>Usually starts with an idea that hits me with all the subtlety of a freight train. I try to write down everything I can while it's still fresh in my mind, and then I refine it over time.Sounds interesting, how'd you refine it over time? Testing out the bot? Or re-reading what you wrote and changing parts.>>493364154>whenever i get an idea, usually from an image or idea online, i know it's time to prompt.What kind of images, just artwork you come across randomly?
>>493362037claude is so fucking cute when he does stuff like this. I wish there was a preset, or a lorebook that would randomly push the model to go OOC
>>493364504format your prefill as an [OOC:] comment and give him an instruction to share his thoughts or something.
>>493364642that'd make him do that in every message. a low-chance lorebook entry at 0-depth would be better I think
>It's another cervix bullying/tummy abuse episodeI wish this shit were possible without actual physical trauma that could mess you up irl
>>493364997elaborate and post logs
>>493364997Are you talkung about external womb massages or are you a tentacle monster?
>>493364824He doesn't really do that. I just tested.
>>493361802i usually want to rp something specific and i make the bot just for that. sometimes i'll refine those cards to have more scenarios and options for public release if i love the bot enough.for example i wanted to rp a triple identity plot in an occult setting a while back, so i wrote a character just for that. but without handholding models would get super confused throughout, so i scrapped the idea for public release. was fun to rp though.my most important tools are my fingers to type.
Okay judge me all you want, but I've been trying to find a Steven Universe lorebook and the only one I could find was a minimum effort single entry shitbook. Does anyone have any idea where I could find one because I've checked a bunch of places and found nothing. With all the cards for various characters I'd expect at least one decent lorebook.
>>493365640At this point you need to cook it by yourself.
>>493365640if you find nothing, there is nothing. it's your time to shine, anon!
>>493365640do it yourself stinky
>>493365640Claude should have no issue making one by himself.
>>493365469>for example i wanted to rp a triple identity plot in an occult setting a while back, so i wrote a character just for that. but without handholding models would get super confused throughout, so i scrapped the idea for public release.Understandable, maybe in the future the models get smart enough to handle such a thing.
>>493364997what about fallopian tubes -bullying
>>4933654693.5 should be able to handle it with a good enough JB and greeting, may I see it?
>>493365731>>493365748>>493365761I figured, just thought I should at least ask before undertaking an effort.
>>493364454Rereading the initial notes I wrote and getting little ideas that develop on the base or change it in a way that flows better, mostly. Two of my bots were originally supposed to be connected, then I realized they'd be better off as their own things. Looking back on it, I'm happy I made the decision I did.
