Never ever edition>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to give feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>Latest Patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-15-2024-update.38925/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be autistic.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, play bot matches.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlocked.wiki/https://liquipedia.net/deadlock/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHcThreadlocked:>>498692368
Do you guys have a warm up routine before going into ranked?
Game needs 20 more characters.
>>498744395take an adderall ir
>>498744395no and i literally firstgamed two heroes in ranked earliert. 2400 negro
>>498744395Goon for an hour
>>498744492gooning messes up my aim for a few hours
>>498744547Once you hit the 1 hour mark, you'll stop shaking and it gets really easy to lock in.
>>498744420I wonder how many characters this game is really going to end up with? I doubt it'll be anywhere near as many as dota, since it seems like they're intending for every character to react to every other in their callouts and stuff
>>498745016Why is Lesh red?
When I'm Paradox and I want to feel like a badass, I have a cool maneuver that I do where I zipline to a fight, charge stop shot while on the line, throw a grenade at an enemy after jumping from the line, stopping them in the grenade, putting up a wall after hitting the ground, then swapping them through the all. My question is, should this combo be called the 3124 or the 1324? Because 3 gets pressed first but 1 gets thrown out first.
>>498744395Just a short session in the training map usually while in q.Couple parries, a minute shooting the orb vent(use the sign to block vision of the spawn then flick at mid height) then another minute moving around while tracking the running botNothing serious just a little so I don't start out mega wiffing
The black woman of Valve unoriginality.These are TWO different characters.
>>498745116he is very pink
repostLiterally every time I play now the game is uncontrollably laggy for me. So laggy and bad that I even disconnect some times. I do not have this problem in other games (I tested them by playing full matches with little to no problems of any kind), then as soon as I play one game of Deadlock it's like I have 9001ms ping, etc. What am I supposed to do about that? Especially since it wasn't happening at all before. I've tried all the basics like reseting my router, restarting PC, etc. But those have done nothing to help.
21 days and finally a jewtuber made a video on tank mirageGreat works are not preformed by strength but perseverance
>>498745820debuff removes you
>>498745820meh. just play abrams for more cc and instant damage and shiv for being shiv. mirage is honestly the worst character in the sense he is boring and doesn't even work the way hes supposed to (teleporting to enemies by revealing them, nobody does this his ult is used for backup only.) Rework beetles and make his ult something else like a large fog of war reveal around him.
>>498746208That's OK, spending 4250 to counter 1(uno)[singular] mark is fine by me
I don't remember the last time I won a match.
>punch the rejuvinator>nothing happens>Ivy steals>can't watch replay because it's bugged or somethingUgh...
>>498746618>32 kill spirit talonlol
>>498746618Have you tried playing better?
>>498746689I don't know how to.
>>498746613>markits for the nado nigger
>>498746715What's your negroscore?
>>4987467151. step would be to do more damage than the Paradox
>>498746618It's all so tiresome.(Infernus match was solo vs bots)
>>498745703If you have the game on low settings, try and set your render quality to 100%. There's some bug with it being set lower than that that can cause frame drops on certain hardware.
>>498746618That was 3 days ago, actually.>>4987467721239>>498746775How? Yamato is only really good for 1v1s, but there were almost no opportunities for that in that match.
So Paradox is not unplayable trash despite dlg whining about how trash she isAnd Vindicta is literally unplayable, worse than Grey Talon but dlg will swear she's in perfectly fine spot.This place is worse than reddit
>>498746761>he counter items the 1 second knock upLMAO I'm beginning to see why it took so long for the unwashed masses to realize
>>498746903Yamato is a great side lane ganker, a lot less possibility that someone will back enemies up unless people are aware of teleporters existing. Try playing in solo lanes and farming in those lanes post midboss spawn and buy mobility items in the case an enemy does bring backup. Use actives like slowing hex and such.
Ixia map next. Trust the plan
>>498746903I found your problem, yamato is best played as a rat
>>498746618>>498746853>>498746903Y'all should play a top tier hero
Remove Pocket from the fucking game already
>>498747104According to this general>Gun is OP>Wraith is stronger than Haze and Infernus>Paradox and Viscous (two of the best support characters) are unusable garbage>Shiv isn't OP>Vindicta is fine>Abrams is OPWhat other retarded shit am I missing?
>>498747107To be fair it made sense to get debuff remover when it originally lasted for over 3 seconds
>>498747569Sorry but my mmr is too high to play Vindicta in her current state
>>498747678vindicta is a good rescue beam support tank
>>498747569Post negroscore or it's all noobstomps
>>498744395just woke up and im about to jump into ranked to grief my first match of the day
>>498747678how do you build paradox? i like her kit but i cant get a grasp on her itemization
>>498747751>support tankShe had lowest hp in the game, then they cut her hp gain on lvl by 25%, nice tank with zero CC, zero hp, very short flight so you can't rescue beam people because you're on the floor 3/4th of the time
>>498747678It's retards who come in here who say shit like paradox is shit. People in inhouse know shes good. Viscous has always been considered good. Most heros in the game are good and all of them can easily topscore with a confident player. Lurkers who came in playing the game for less than 100 hours spew garbage and should be asked to post their hours played.
>>498747945initiate post
Viscous has the most oppressive lane in the game, 2 get out of jail free cards, and god tier support even if you fall behind in souls
I buy Weave on Wraith because she's black.
>>498747980Ah yes, all top players say she's now absolutely shit but YOU know better
>>498747775
>>498748079Ye honestly he should start with -15% bullet resist or something like pocket who also has 2 get out of jail cards
>>498748145I'm a top player and I say support vindicta is good so yes.
>>498748159Come back when you're 2400 negroscore
>>498747945I don't play support, but she has great CC, stake level 3 comes with disarm, and if you build CD reduce and duration increase you only have to spend like 1/3 of your time on the ground
>>498748495Stake alchemist fire vindicta is a pretty slept on vindicta build. Used to shred players when stake got maxed out and they just had to sit there but with no infinite flying im not sure how it is now.
>>498748495>but she has great CCHad>stake level 3 comes with disarmIt's duration and range were nerfed every single patch to the point people don't even bother buying debuff remover against it>if you build CD reduce and duration increase you only have to spend like 1/3 of your time on the groundFor mere 9375 souls you can spend ONLY 1/3rd of the time on the ground, please listen to yourself for a second
I thinks it's good that snipers are getting shafted they are not good game design.
>5man on enemy team>your team has a single duoWhat the FUCK
>>498749158Get ready to lose. Voice is unironically the best strat in the game.
what's the current good miku split push build? is it still just intense mag+healing booster+heroic aura+sus?
>>498749269I noticed too late, their vindicta went 23/2I couldn't keep a coordinated MonK and Warden off me long enough to try putting her down
>>498747908I have tried several builds and settled on a wallswap focus. Some example items good in this build are: Kinetic Dash and Warp Stone (to move behind your wall after swapping), Enchanter's Barrier+Improved Cooldown (Paradox has long CDs) and Diviner's Kevlar.
>>498748751>For mere 9375 souls you can spend ONLY 1/3rd of the time on the ground, please listen to yourself for a secondYes, being in the air doubles your damage output, increases your Headhunter proc percentage and allows all of your other abilities to be way more effective
Shadow Weave Kelvin with Alchemical Fire to throw down after I ult people... Never played him before but I'm considering this, is there something I am not taking into consideration? What's a good gun build for him to use as a base?
>>498747569I can't aim well, so I end up missing most Assassinations.
Ivy, my beloved Wivy
>>498747104whats wrong with vindicta right now?
>>498749681stop buying Sharpshooter the zoom is shit, and set your scoped zoom sens to 0.91 so that it's actually correct zoom scalingAlso there's a bind you can make for one button quickscopes, but I don't use itHonestly there's plenty of scenarios where you don't even need that great of aim to execute someone
>>498750131The completely removed her fly spirit scaling, nerfed her health increase scaling by 25%, nerfed her stake duration, made the bonus souls from Assassination stealable orbs, nerfed her gun item scaling by 24%, and made her gun shoot slowersee>>498749525
>>498749737It's like gardening!
>>498749295Probably want to add shadow weave, not showing on map is a big component to splitting effectively
>>498750316good
>>498750936
>>498750316>made the bonus souls from Assassination stealable orbsThat's good, if you die it can be picked up by Shiv in your team and you can win
>>498747558dota 2 would be like this if wasn't kept alive by russians game is absolute terrible rn.
>>498751490This is a state of Deadlock kept alive by Russian
>>498751160funny how shiv keeps jumping between S tier and D tier with no in-between. they either nerf him into irrelevance or buff him back up into being busted
>play against haze>since minute 1 he screeches in all chat to report his laning partnerkek
>>498751682He was never in D tier, Tank shiv was never changed
>Lost with a 40k soul lead because our picks weren't as goodThis game is absolutely dog shit right now. If you don't have the strongest characters on your team then you're just fucked. Every fight was a fucking struggle even with the huge lead.
>kelvin makes a spiral staircase to prevent the Ivy stun from getting to the rejuvThat's so good.>>498751942Show end screen. 40k lead is huge depending on the phase of the game.
>>498750134why do you use a trip?
>People already smurfing I fucking hate this game at the moment. 14 losses and 2 wins in my last 16 games is fucked. If I'm really that bad then just put me with other shitters.
>>498751942let me guess, you got shiv'd
My first ranked win. Is nice.
lol why do people not buy actives. my team was getting wiped by Shiv and Haze meanwhile I am laughing off their damage with metal skinis it too much for retards to have an extra button or two to press?
>>498752218>>498752023It was a 4 stack full of smurfs I found out.
>>498752284>shiv>metalskinwoodie...
shiv ruins every fucking match
>>498752343First moba? Abuse the OP character for high rank
Why does the game feels like fucking garbage right now? I haven't had actual fun since the last patch.
retards will really come here and post everyone clapped/strawman stories while never posting matchids. i pray "post matchid" or "post rank" will become a staple like /fit/'s "post body"
>>498752317he was spamming heavy punch, I just metalskinned and parried lol
>>498752413>really snowbally >games are dictated by whoever gets haze
>>498752536>>games are dictated by whoever gets hazeSee: >>498752224
>>498752384retard? even if i set him as my only purple i wouldnt get him half the time plus hes an unfun janky hero
>>498752459no matchid didnt happen
lawd I got carriedTheir vindicta and paradox in lane were a pain in the ass, it almost felt like it was a duo rather than solo in ranked
TOTAL HAZE LOVE. HAND HOLDING WITH HAZE. DANCING WITH HAZE. CUDDLING WITH HAZE. SNUGGLING WITH HAZE IN BED. KISSING HAZE. SWAPPING SALIVA WITH HAZE. MARRIAGE WITH HAZE. HAZE IN A BEAUTIFUL WEDDING DRESS. MATING WITH HAZE. IMPREGNATING HAZE. HAZE GIVING BIRTH TO OUR SMOKE CHILDREN. HAZE CRADLING OUR SMOKE CHILDREN IN HER ARMS WITH TEARS OF HAPPINESS IN HER EYES.
just pick a top tier
>>498752608seven + mcginnis = 1 haze
>>498752284unironically just wood MMREven in my shitter MMR people are already buying return fire early (e.g. 15k) vs. bullet heavy teams because it's basically an auto-win button early game, and it just needs metal skin to become an insta-win button middle-late game.
>>498752617here you go, anon
>>498752536Sewage mmr or a time traveler from 2.5 weeks ago. Haze is dogshit and there hasn't been a good Haze play in high mmr in weeks.
Is our comp really bad or were we just shit? We were 40k ahead with rejuv and couldn't win a team fight.
>>498753310Most likely bad itemizationSoul lead doesn't mean shit if you use it for bad items.
>>498752536Haze is not the issue right now. Shiv, Warden and Seven are way worse for the game.
>>498753467Shiv and Seven sure, but what the fuck is wrong with Warden?
>>498753467In toilet air freshener mmr Haze is the same problem she's been for months because nobody has ever tried buying a single item to counter her. Hence why people in /dlg/ still think she's busted overpowered.
>>498753454What items would've been good here?
>picks abrams>doesn't go inI am going to invent a device that lets you strangle these people over the internet
Since our ranked mmr is seeded from our unranked can't I just grind unranked then place high with only 7 games? Or is there some sort of soft cap
>>498753310Ginnis was probably stalling your base pushes and none of you had the brains to focus down turrets.Also I bet only one guy bought enough anti tank.
>>498753570Healbane, Decay, Toxic Bullets, Knockdown, Slowing Hex
>>498753516He has 1 functional build that dragged him out of f teir so naturally all the one tricks clamoring for nerfs
>>498753649Yeah I was the only one with toxic and i tried Siphon as well but it wasn't enough. I was gunning down turrets at every opportunity but her wall is just such a fucking problem.
>>498753516The ult + majestic leap/move speed maxxing build is ridiculous and if you haven't seen it yet youre probably still in pisslow where nobody knows how to move fast and everyone clumps up and dies around a single Haze ult.
>>498753772what is it?
>>498753889Ult maxing, majestic leap+ divine kevlarYou can channel ult mid leap so enemies have less time to react
>>498753885It's a Majestic Leap issue more than anything.
>>498750134>actually correct zoom scalingIs that correct for everyone or just for her?
7 games in the bag
I don't think I belong at 1900 MMR in OCE man. I can win lane alright and I buy actives but I just struggle to keep up on souls no matter what I do. The only way I stay equal is by ignoring all fights and just farming and even then I'm only breaking even. It sucks because I feel like I should be defending our objectives but it feels like a waste of time.
>>498752536>whoever gets hazelmao anon i won against haze 5 times lost 1 time and lost with haze on my team 1 time
>>498754158Stopping the enemy team from killing a walker is better then farming yourself a t3(excluding a core item that you need)Try to think of it in team networth terms also your macro probably needs work
>6 won, 1 lostsee you at TI mofos
Is Big Hat Rain?
>See Wraith fighting Mirage at the enemy purple walker>Go to help>4 other of the enemy team show up>Instant death
>>498753881>Yeah I was the only one with toxicThat's a huge part of it. Tanks in this game get really annoying without anti-heal.Maybe you could kill them, but you need to kill them before the other team gets numbers on you, or takes space on the other parts of the map.
>>498754610dw broI'll push yellowjust gotta clear this T3 camp near the 'porter
>>498754490this but the opposite
>>498752413They made it all about tropper / neutral farming. People can literally go 0/5/0 for the first 15 minutes of the game as long as they are Seven or any recently buffed hero who just goes into neutral camps and farms.
>>498752224This did not last.
>>498754528yes
games have been crazy terrible latelylike, 20 minutes in with 1 guardian down for us terriblenobody wants to walk at objectives as long as an enemy exists on the map, and everyone backs after every fight instead of pushing shit downand there's usually 1-2 players who lost hard and are sulking in their lane until late game farming waves but still having the least farm on the team
How do you say that you have an ability ready/on cooldown?
>>498755046The Rain?
>>498745016I expect like 40 honestly, right now half the cast is in every game and some heroes are literally omnipresent, 3 bans on each side with an eventual mode that has them and that's 22 characters that aren't constantly showing up
Reminder that Ivy goes cuhrayyyzeee with toxic bullets and ricochet
>>498754610im coming brotime to BROOL
>>498755308I think you just hold tab or alt and then click the ability(?)
i love playing melee paradox.
>>498755505no she doesn't that shit's retarded
Your lane, sir.
>>498756010this is aids to fight against
>>498753885I know about the Warden build and have played it, but putting it on the same level as Shiv and Seven is a bit of a stretch. It's strong, but gated by a fairly long cooldown ult and core items on a character that cannot farm nearly as well as others on the roster.
>>498756043>Save up for reactive barrier>Win laneI used to think Wraith and Haze were cancer to lane against when I was a shitter. Now try going against a Viscous and Yamato or Infernus
>>498756010*Throws sand at u*
>tilt the shit out of an infernus in lane>match ends up going 40 fucking minutes more and they 6 man push into base while 4 of my team run urn for some stupid fucking reason and end itW H Y
>Rape someone in lane>They hard focus you all game afterName a better feeling
>>498756116Viscous is genuinely the most obnoxious motherfucker to fight if he knows what he's doing, just constantly have to play dodgeball and not get punched then half the time if you think you've finally gotten him locked down no you didn't
>>498756285Getting raped by someone in lane then cursing them 20 times and winning
>>498756452I see you're looking to put someone on tilt!>>498756285The enemy wraith always saving their curse/ult + etc. combo for you and never anybody else. Really shows when they've identified there is only a single threat on your team (you)
>finally get a game where I win after 10 subsequent losses>it's 50 minutes long and we lost rejuvinator twiceHoly moly
>get haze on team>lose>play against haze>winfucking useless shit hero stop playing this garbage
These people couldn't balance a coin toss
what the FUCK does healbane even dofeels like it does nothing even when i buy it against heroes like abrams and infernus
/dlg/ in shambles.
>>498751682It's because his rage design is nigh impossible to get right. Withour it he is too weak, with it he is one of the hardest scaling casters in the game. Small tweaks to his rage generation will make him flipflop between extremes.I actually suggested that they should tweak the design of it so its more of a thing you build up in a fight with another player and that the buffs are sequential.
>>498756634>notice they start hardfocusing me and literally hunting me down on the map because I'm the one jumping around lanes and fucking them up the most often>get magic carpet so I can fly away just out of reach every time
>>498757428A cute girl
>>498757484I posted in the feedback section when Shiv was added that rage is a bad mechanic because it gives fuckhuge damage and tankiness just for existing and it just got hard ignored lul
This was the least fun I've had in a while.
>>498757282you stack it with something like decay or toxic bullets
>>498757282I always stack it with either toxic or decayHealbane by itself doesn't really do enough, especially if they buy heal booster
6-1 with Paradox and the loss was a massive throwI lied bros she's actually giga strong
>>498757282you actually buy healbane for the self heal
>>498757282It's a big item
>>498757597Yeah this basically
>>498758278For you
>>498757926>>498758080tyfrom reading the item description it also sounds like it only triggers from spirit damage?
>>498756285>solo laning against Bebop>buy reactive barrier>kill him a few times and push the walker a bit>every following team fight has him ignore everyone else and try to hook me
>>498758629yes which includes items, hence it being an automatic healcut booster for decay/toxic bullets. also triggers on stuff like tesla bullets
>>498756081wait till Hazes start buying majestic leap nobody in 2500+ will survive
>>498758976nice nice, so are item procs considered spirit damage by default then?i always thought it was dependent on what type of item/whatever the description says
>try dynamo>lose 300 games straightwhat the fuck do you do with this guy if you're behind? how do you build him?
>>498758976Healbane is also huge on Shiv since it effectively buffs the damage of his dagger dots. Normally regen mitigates the effect of a dot, so being able to halve their regen is basically a dps buff like arpen.
>>498759153They will still press metal skin anon. There's no active counter to last stand other than just avoiding the warden which is why it is so strong
my hagwife Geist is so strong now
>>498759703Pipe of insight is getting added in the next patch, trust the plan
>>498759559depends on the item, most of them do spirit anyway
why do people pause at the start of the game?like you could've done whatever before queueing?
Last Stand is basically Haze ult but Warden can move at full speed while shooting you at the same time, the only downside is the long activation time which is offset entirely by majestic leap. Anyone complaining about Haze in current patch is actually living in reddit gold mmr dreamland.
>>498759559gun items like headshot booster and lucky shot do gun dmgnot mystic shot obv
>>498760137anyone getting hit by warden ult is just afking in the middle of the lane or what? how do you pisslow trash kids not see him flying in?
>>498760127they want a lane swap or they're just trolling
>>498760137>actually unironically having problems with warden ultdust mmr
>>498757428>the monster girl looks like a monster :O
>>498759703mnk's ult turns it off
>>498760137>warden ult vs haze ultthis man is TWEAKING bros
>>498756419The amount of poke some characters have and if you're the unlucky one to lane up against em when playing someone like lash is just a specific kind of suffering. Viscous takes the cake though, being able to poke you with 2 different ability while having a self-heal / slighty worse eshift in early game is pure cancer.
>>498760137>Conical, tick-based spirit scaling ability with a wind up that can be stunned is the same as instant, circle AoE ability that scales with gun items.Do you eat paint?
>>498760137warden ult is also small as fuck lmaoooojust fleetfoot away nigga damn
im genuinely being targeted by the matchmaking for having 60%wr in 2500 elo and im going fucking mental3 times leaver in rankedthen another game lose with fucking friberg on teamthen another game my whole team crashes on midboss and enemy team doesntholy fucking shit im going straight up ape shit mental
>>498760137You're correct but dlg isn't ready for this conversation.
>>498760683Wardens cast their utlimate during their initiate with the majestic leap so usually it's really hard to stun them in order to cancel the cast
>playing Lash + Warden against Paradox + Geist>ask for a gank>never get one>we get fucking raped in lanewas the play to ask for a swap
We won, but I must say, these ranked games are some of the most unbalanced ones I've ever played.
>>498760874sometimes you just gotta let the guardian go and go win another lane with a 3v2/2v1
>>498760874you should've ganked other lanes as Lash instead before your guardian went down, your guardian being there is necessary because paradox + geist will leave your lane to rape another lane without it
>>498760991yeah good idea, I could probably have just gone over to the solo lane and shoved it hard
>>498760864warden's ult also does literally no damage, unlike haze's ult that has like 1k dpsand warden's ult it also has a smaller rangeand it also takes like 2 whole ass seconds to start cast instead of 0.5 or whatever it's almost instant for haze's
puts things into perspective
>>498761250>warden's ult also does literally no damage,I guess you have only played against wardens who go for a gun build? I don't know how you can think this
>>498761390tracklock says i'm around 1750 which makes me above average so you have to listen to my opinions no matter how bad they are
>>498761250>warden's ult also does literally no damageYou are fucking retarded. You are actually fucking retarded. Kill yourself.
>>498761472>I guess you have only played against wardens who go for a gun buildthose don't exist. he doesn't play the game is more believable
>>498761503>>498761472lol it genuinely does no significant damage, even with boundless/EE/extra duration you get out DPS'd in anything barring a 1v1, i guess unless you are in an mmr with IQ so low no one buys anti heal
>>498761390>elo tracking that doesnt accurately track every gameepico
when are they adding a dedicated healbot/buffbot so I can play
>>498761721That isn't nekoscore, that is valve api match scores from matches being pulled.
Ivy's ivy
>>498761827so are thwy changing hoĺmidays abilities or what?
>>498761860wings too small
>>498761694>this is the guy telling you Haze is still brokenly op and decides gameshow are the 1000 match score games going?
>>498761694An entire team of 6 people can out DPS you as a single person? Got any more nuggets of wisdom for us anon?
>>498761827i know but it still doesnt track every game only whatever is in the watch tab
>>498761767We have multiple heroes you can play as healbots, but no buff/debuffbots but you can substitute those with actives.
>half of my ranked games some faggy teen says something along the lines of "lmao I play for fun">somehow most of the team shares that sentiment >we lose despite me playing best games of my fucking life and 1v2 and 1v3ing until eventually getting gangbanged to death>the other half is an absolute breeze of a stomp, like playing vs kidsI think I've found the mmr trench, feels like dota years ago when everyone was a dumb shitter and for some reason played ranked
>>498762125The sample size is large enough that it works just fine for averages. Did you skip statistics class in school? If anything it's probably weighted towards the higher end more than the lower end, I doubt the watch tab shows games from 500 match score mouthbreathing controller players very often. There are probably much more low mmr players than the chart shows, which only enforces the point.
>>498762318my point was exactly thatthe chart is inaccurate due to how it measures games
>>498762125>>4987623181500 is the dead center of the bell curvethe reason the curve is top heavy is because the algorithm that selects matches for the watch tab favors higher MMR matches
>>498762072>this is the guy telling you Haze is still brokenly op and decides gamesi never said this, she's kinda dogshit nowbut her ult is way better than warden's>>498762121>An entire team of 6 people can out DPS you as a single person?also never said this>both retards making up scenarios in their mind to get madconcession accepted btw
>>498762385it doesn't really matter since the sample size is large enough
>>498762429>but her ult is way better than warden'sIt's not. Play the game outside of dirty dishwater mmr.
i went 2/5 in my ranked placements
>>498754610if im playing mcginnis and im ratting a walker i usually dont want help because that will just attract the whole enemy team. destroying the walker while being actively shot at while im in my little healing/turret nest usually lets me take the walker at the expense of me dying. even if the whole team still ends up coming ive attracted all of them away from something else more important. let rats do their thing
>>498762802just play more, all games are placement games
>>498762429>also never said this>>you get out DPS'd in anything barring a 1v1,This is ignoring the fact that what you said is wrong as well
>>498762802i lost all 7 lol
>>498762508warden's ult LITERALLY got buffed last patch because it was (and still is) dogshitand calling me a shitter is not an argument, it's a cope>>498763037ah yes, because you either are in a 1v1 or a 1v6 and no other possible situation
>>498762802bro im like3-11 rn
>>498763241and shiv was dogshit because he needed buffs
if you divine barrier someone you get assists from their kills no matter what for what feels like the rest of their life, at least far beyond the 5s shield duration
>try Shiv for the first time>solo lane>Wraith>can't out last hit her>can't damage her (she's always 20m meters)>get bombed by cards>miss my daggers cos she's tiny>have a miserable game>win anywayHow do I learn Shiv?
>>498763362>>498763116initiate I KINGS run this general!
>>498763446same with healing in general, I rake in assists with Dynamo's AoE
>>498763396he wasnt really dogshit just rage fell off too fastnow most of his items got nerfed but reddit is crying about him being tanky when that wasnt touched and even slightly nerfed with the EE + spirit lifesteal correctionsto sum it up reddit is full of shitters and shouldnt be a focus for valve when looking at gameplay changes
>Play Lash for 200+ hours>try to learn another hero>feel slow>can't fly>feel stuck to the floorit's just not the game
>>498763446>if you divine barrier someone you get assists from their kills no matter what for what feels like the rest of their lifedude i got an assist literally 30s after i died and was wondering how lmao>>498763560wraith is busted, buy more regen then like resto shot and play passive until you get more items, then you can bring her low and finish with ult
>>498764083That's kind of what I did. I bought regen, stayed back and farmed until I had ult and rage.
Haze ult>directly countered by any combination of metal skin, return fire and being able to dash jump or warpstone>she slows to a crawl while doing it, can't chase you once you get out of it, has to cancel it>she's squishy as hell in general and doesn't build green items because she needs lots of orange for her ult to do anything>knockdown or any stun cancels it because it's a channel, needs unstoppable to not get stunned instantly, can only cast unstoppable before starting itWarden ult>longer cast time completely negated by just casting right after majestic leaping>can move at full move speed while it's active, can chase after people very effectively if you bought any movement items>has 100% lifesteal on every enemy being hit by it by default>can shoot his gun while doing it>there's no counter items to deal with its damage output because metal skin and return fire don't do anything against the spirit damage, just have run away which takes a lot of effort and stamina if he's actively targeting you>it's not a channel, he can cast other abilities, use items, use unstoppable at any point during, knockdown or stuns don't cancel the ability even if he doesn't have unstoppable
every dashes distance should be halved.
Why does Ivy have a nose ring
>>498764326its a knocker
>>498764326because she was sculpted that way
>>498764326it's a cattle thing, gargoyle milk is used as cement in the deadlock universe
>>498764248And Haze ult is still better, crazy
>>498764248>>knockdown or any stun cancels it because it's a channelim pretty sure i mcginnis lvl3 walled a haze doing her ult and it stunned her but the ult continued after waking up. i can dig for the match and webm if need be
>>498764531Maybe in mud mmr where nobody bothers to buy counter items.
>>498764595>warden ult counterpress W
>>498761694this nigga trench mmr
>>498760806I think the conical part is what most people miss, if he is running at you then run at him, you'll get behind him and he'll have to 180 and hit only part of your team
>>498764583You are 1000% wrong unless she used refresher or something. It's a channel and if the stun goes off and she doesn't have unstoppable up it ends the ult.>>498764531Funny how ulting wardens win at the highest level of play in competitive while teams running Haze get stomped. Crazy how Haze is such a game deciding and game ruining hero that pro players just can't make use of against other pro players, it's almost like the ways to deal with her have been figured out for weeks or something and the people still hyping her up just refuse to buy the right items.
I don't understand how to win my lane ever since the guardian changes
You won all of your placement (career defining) matches, right anons?
>>498764326she's an art hoe
>ult is so good forces every member of the enemy team to waste at least 3k souls and a item slot solely to counter it with items that are otherwise mid or you eat complete shit to it>but it's bad because of thislol?
How do I keep Shivs rage up at 100%? If there's no neutral camps, what the fuck can I do?
>>498764248Does unstoppable even help you against knockdown? It might not stun you but doesn't it still interrupt?
>>498760806Oh yes the wind up that can be stunned. Let me guess, in paint drinker mmr that you're so familiar with the wardens you see just ult in a corner of a building while yelling beside the fight that's currently happening. That's not how the human beings who play warden do it, you'd know that if you were at sentient human mmr.
>>498765030I'm boosting in unranked so I seed high then I'll lose 7 games in a row but still rank higher than /dlg/
>>498765053it's tough for a wigga
>>498765047>with items that are otherwise midLol. In what world are metal skin or return fire "mid". They can dominate 1v1s throughout a game and still be off cooldown for the team fights where Haze finally decides to show up.>>498765106Yes. Knockdown stuns everyone out of channeling. Bullet Dance and Storm Cloud are channels. Unstoppable stops you from being able to be stunned and thus stops knockdown from going through.
>>498765053Camp mid lanes and rage on mid boss
>>498752023>not hiding enemy side vents and stone forming from there
>>498764326ENDURANCE RUN reference
>>498754528>>498755331total rainal PSG shit tsunami
>>498765047Are you the guy that exclusively plays in the mmr where the default mode of play is to 6man overwatch deathball shoulder to shoulder and get countered by a single Haze with ricochet?
>>498757428Just crank up the cute'o meter.
Is dying really that big of a deal. I see people die twice and act like the entire game is over, then win anyway
>>498765840Not really. The laning phase is practically irrelevant.
>>498765840only if you lose your balls or it's 30+ mins
>>498764798I saw a warden with 450 dps on his ult the other day, he was stacked.
>>498765840They should keep deaths hidden until the end game statsIt fucks with mental midgets too much
How do you fight Lash as Grey Talon?
>>498765968Laning is both irrelevant and extremely important and game deciding thats how fucked the game is right now.Losing one or even 3 lanes doesnt matter, BUT if you lose a singular lane + its walker Or you lose 4-6 lanes OR all the winning lanes rotate effectively then youre suddenly in the shitter
lady ghost fans be like"YOOOO SHE"S MY GOAT!!!!!"
>>498765840Consider that 2 deaths is 2 times my team let me down and 2 more kills I must gain for a positive K/D. It's less time for me to be farming Ricochet. It's more time for me to scrutinizing every single movement, stat, and play they make. And it's more time for me to be posting on /dlg/ about my braindead teammates
>>498765840dying only matters if you are literally feeding or if it's late game and it takes a century to respawn
People with low deaths are useless because they play like cowards and have no game presence whatsoever because they're too scared of the death number going up
>>498765168The ult channel is stunnable, that is a fact. Whether it's easy to do is another matter, but you made the comparison to Haze ult which doesn't have a stunnable wind-up. I didn't even say Warden ult was weak, just your comparison was fucking stupid because they are not alike.If you're so mentally unstable that stating objective truths make you froth at the mouth and start ranting about MMR, you have bigger problems than a shitter Warden reaming your anus.
>>498766773t. got picked off again and gave enemies midboss as a result
>>498766815t. slurping up all the farm and doing literally nothing with it
>>498766773T. Goes like 6/10 every game and loses if theres no one going like 17/2 carrying his mediocre ass
>>498766787Dog MMR, the entire Haze ult is stunnable and she needs a 6200 item just to avoid a stun for half of its duration at the start of it. If anyone has ever cancelled the warden ult with a stun during its windup then the warden made the misplay of trying to panic ult in a corner during an already ongoing fight. Buy some fucking items, retard. Nobody has ever stunned a sentient human warden player out of his windup because the sentient human warden players windup while flying through the air at mach-10, once his ult is off he can pop unstoppable literally whenever to counter any incoming stuns and it also doesn't even interrupt his ult. Please get out of stale bread mmr before blessing the thread with your pisslow wisdom.
>>498763560Shiv uses his daggers to put pressure on people when they go for lashits, but to actually win a lane you need to aim for an all-in. Because of that you should learn dagger first but actually upgrade your dash when you get points (it scales waaaaay better and faster). Then lnce you get the +75 damage you aim for an all in.
had a mirage in my game that went 0/0/3 and still fucking farmed on the other side of the map while his base was already down to its patron
>>498767214Post your MMR then buddy if you're so obsessed with it. Put your money where your mouth is.
>>498765030nah but still pretty good
>>498767353I play at 2400 match score where nobody has died to a Haze ult in an entire week, especially not these fantasy situations you come up with where 6 players clump up for her to die together and then complain she's overpowered because you're playing the game like Overwatch. I'm guessing your match score is like 1300 or so.
>>498763560You win orbs by default because you have a shotgun. Get resto shot and chip with daggers until you can all in her. If the enemy tries to melee because you keep hitting those denies with your shotgun, you win CQC because you have a shotgun.
>the same guy who has been crying about haze ult still being overpowered for the last three or four threads turns out to be a warden player who hasn't even tried the ultbuild that is rolling over entire teams in high mmr while Haze gets bullied all gameclassic /dlg/
>>498767878>making up some headcanon about the guy you disagree with to copeyou are genuinely pathetic, i hope you know that
>win several games in a row>none of them track on deadlocktracker or tracklock>win another game>+0AAAAAAAAAAA
>>498767878reminder that the average anon is in these threads who thinks their opinions matter are like 1500 mmr>>498761390
>>498761390consider this
>>498768032bro you have admitted to being a shitter warden who panic ults in the corner of a building next to a fight like three times already, nobody ever fucking does that outside of pisslow, PLEASE buy an active item like majestic leap
>>498767526You're schizo rambling, I made absolutely no claim about the strength of Haze ult at any point, literally the only thing I did was point out that your claim that Warden ult was "Haze's but better" was just wrong because they are fundamentally different in terms of effect, scaling and use-cases. I'm not the same anon that bitches about Haze ult, there are multiple people in the thread that quoted you to call you an idiot.Take your meds and stop pretending you're 2400. Or post proof you are.
>>498768256swallow rod is that you
I don't understand what happened. I used to be good, or at least not terrible, at Grey Talon when I was just starting to play this game. Now I can't get a single kill.
>>498768495>tfw being 2400 is such an outrageous and impossible feat to a shitter that he automatically assumes it's a lie and wants me to dox myself on 4chan for his pleasureLol. I'm guessing the 1300 guess hit the nail on the head, am I right?
>1600 nekoscore>win match>do well>geist on the enemy team had 1800 nekoscore>-27aight
>It's a "retard makes stupid statement and pretends all the people disagreeing with him are the same person" episode
when will valve actually allow us to alpha test these heroes instead of having them in limbo are we really alpha testing shit nano and astro are ready to play
>>498768715winning doesn't matter for NekoScore, your next match will be higher and it will raise it back up because you won the previous match
ok yoshi needs to add a 2500+ nekoscore requirement before being allowed to post feedback on the forumsthis is the only way we can get good feedback that will make the game better for everyone and make valve billions of dollars
>be bebop>bomb build of course because haha stacks>finally get in a solo lane against yamato for free hooks>dumb bitch even has her own hook to give me free bomb stacks>win lane>rest of her team just DCsI'm tired of the whole stomp or be stomped, can I get a decently balanced match for once?
Enemy team has:>haze>wrath>shiv>seven>dynamo>geistAll equally good, more or less. So what the fuck do I build as abrams to counter every one of them niggas and win the game? Shiv has already acquired Decay and targets me in every fight
>>498761390>>498768256we have a lot of 1% players here but the "low" mmr player group will be the one that discover tech for us to steal just like in dota unless its me since i been talking about shadow weave and magic carpet since day 1 now niggas are talking about how broken the items are
Why is there no option to wait twice the time for no russians in your team?
>>498768954Metal skin return fire is a good start for an Abrams against like 3-4 gun heroes
haze is a shit herowarden is op as fuckthis general is full of mud mmr takes where they think a haze who farms for 30 minutes uninterrupted happens in games with human beings
>>498768954You don't, you wait and go to another match where all of the nigger characters aren't on the opposite team
>>498769073warden is slightly bad in lane thougheverbeit so he sucksI will continue to farm games with majestic leap last stand
>>498765030there's no such thing as placement matches
>firerate spirit mirageI've seen the oasis in the middle of the desert. This is funny.
>>498769073Anytime you have a haze on your team you know you have a high chance at losing the game
>>498768896Balancing solely for the higher end is why DotA has absolutely no influx of new players and has been stagnant for years.League has the right idea of assessing whether "noob stomper" characters are egregious enough that it warrants nerfing even if they're fine on the higher end. Like it or not, you need shitters to keep your game afloat and ignoring their feedback, valid or not, is a sure fire way to alienate your largest consumer base.If you only balance for the top 10%, you'll only be left with the top 10%. It's a balancing act.
Just because you play this game like it's your job, doesn't mean anyone cares about what you have to say
>>498769038what good would it do for you? stop blaming others
>>498765247>>498765030Placement is a meme and "unranked" is ranked That ranked mode is just solo queue
>>498769404i play dota in miserably low unranked MMR and don't feel like any hero is overpowered in the trenches
>>498769243what the djinn
>>498769404i'm just joking around lil bro
>>498760773why is it always shit like lash and yamato where people complain about other laners even though those characters are S tier laners
>Warden>Point Blank >Slowing Bullets>Fleetfoot >Melee charge >Lifestrike >Mystic SlowBro you are not going anywhere I am going to beat you to death
>>498768352i'm sure you can point out exactly the posts that said this itt and it isn't your schizo delusions acting up
>>498769404how do you truly balance for "shitters" and the top 10% of the playbase and borderline not possible for icefrog games
>>498769645Lash downplayers are the most egregious. The moment Lash got the buff that allowed him to turn mid air during his 1 he went from "strong" to "batshit". Sure e-shift works really well into him and he does (eventually) fall off, but early laning against Lash is vile.
>>498768705Here's mine btw, since that other anon posted his like this. Not sure if this will be enough to convince you to buy majestic leap or not instead of panic ulting in corners and crying about getting stunned out of your windup.
YOSHI MY NEKOSCORE IS 2000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>498769645>>498769989lash bullies weak laners but gets bullied in turn by strong laners
>>498769287i played 10 ranked matches so far 7 wins 3 lossesi lost against haze 2 times out of 10 matches and she was in every one of themhaze was on the losing team 8 games out of 10literally 20% winrate hero LMAO
>>498768662I don't think I want to play as Grey Talon anymore. Not without simulants, at least.
>duo lane with Seven and me (Lash)>lane is hard with Wraith>Seven dives and feeds>eventually leaves lane at 5 minutes>solo defend lane >this guy vanishes to neutral camps>does nothing but neutrals and proceeds to feed>every ult he does is from ground levelSo this is what 1800 nekoscore games will be like. I'll never climb out of this shit.
>annoy opponent with decay>he buys it too
>>498770157Now consider that people like that seven post their balance opinions in this thread from the heights of 1800 match score and think it's physically impossible for people to be higher than 2000 and reject their opinions.
>>498770097Lmao idk if its the hero or the people that are playing her are no longer getting carried by her but all i know haze and dynamo are the only heroes that if i see is on my team i just turn my brain off and hope for the best because im not expecting shit from any of them and good luck if you get both a haze and dyna on your team at the same time you might as well have a surrender button at 15 mins so you can just go next before people say dynamo can insta win you games yes that maybe true but most 99.8% of dynamos are garbage
>>498770157It's with teammates like this I rush divine barrier and use it exclusively on them so they don't die like a retard. No way around it
>>498769989Lash players are easily the most character carried of everyone>piss easy burst>just jumps away if cornered>ult is an unholy mix of Magnus and Batrider>blocks mid attempts by mere presence
>>4987705592001 nekoscore-sama....... i kneel..................
>>498770157Brother you have 395 obj damage hit obj and you will climb
>>498769978The simple way is you have designated shitter characters that are mechanically simple but have predictable play patterns that good players can exploit.The more complex way is you skew any nerfs or buffs to the skill range you want to impact by assessing why they're overperforming in that bracket. Easier said than done but it helps avoid the "don't pick X past Y MMR" situation.
>>498770912hey... it's 2258 actually...Haze is dogshit and feeds every game. Warden is god and stomps every game. If 2258 matters...
>guy who never pushes and any lane>WHY DID I LOSE
>>4987711012258 is around top 2000 in Na
>Urn sprint changed from +3/5 for winning/losing team to +2/6>First flex slot is now granted after 3 Guardians die instead of 4>Urn now reveals you after 20s from initial pickupThis game is absurdly fun, I have 400 hours, but I don't like this method of balancing in an alpha of all things. If the urn is dominated by the already winning team, then that's an issue of how snowbally the game is. The solutions so far have been like this, just lower the numbers until it's actually not that good, but amazing if you're losing. The urn revealing you now only after +20 seconds seems like mechanics bloat of another problem: urn camping. If the urn is good, then both teams camp the delivery. I guess the 20 second delay is to nudge you into running the urn as fast possible I guess? But if they didn't want urn camping then why add the reveal at all. There's also no real feedback the urn is revealing you to the enemy players, and doesn't make sense logically. There's more intrigue if you simply know the urn is missing. As for the flex slots, there is no rhyme or reason why they would award flex slots. Again, if it's an alpha, it's preferable to have mechanics that are understood the first time you come across it. The slight twisting of dials and knobs on "it's now 3 guardians instead of 4" is weird. I guess there's more choice in what towers you take first? It's this problem of the towers not being interesting gameplay elements, other than if you kill them, you get a flex slot. If it's your guardian, it provides no tangible value other than denying the enemy team flex slots (which itself is a hidden mechanic hard to visualize in your minds eye)I guess my real criticism is that there's opportunity for the map to feel more 'alive' and full of interesting things to do, but it's really quite empty and just ricefields in between the lanes, which is the problem DotA had for 15+ years
>today Oathkeeper receives his payment in spadesI don't get it, is she going to suck off niggers in an alleyway
>>498771480it's an alpha
seven ult build fun.....refresher and diviners kevlar hehe
>>498771480Post feedback in the forums! (i will ignore it)
>>498771649No, she's hundreds of years old, she means she'll pay oathkeeper with the lives of nigger slaves like Infernus.
>>498755439Goodbye forever Dynamo, Seven, Vindicta, Haze, Kelvin, McGinnisSome of these are chosen so my teammates don't play them.
>>498771649>>498771809this. we all know geist is a doggy dick enjoyer, anyway.
Apparently you can rearrange active items with your mouse in tab mode
>>498769446half the game is about bantering about silly shit
people aren't really still complaining about haze are they? I genuinely can't remember the last game a haze made a game-deciding play, it was before the patch that turned her bullet evasion down to 25% at least, and now it's 0% until t3 ult I think, when was that?
>>498769009magic carpet is broken until you realise someone can just kd/curse you out of it
>>498770157Pushing help you win games you of still need to have the clutch gene but you will climb
Is it still worth running lifesteal and leech at the same time?
>>498770157yeah sevens are just always dogshit
>>498772375The problem with haze is that every time she's on your team, she's a useless retard who farms so much, you reach the defeat screen before she even finished farming jungle, and every time she's on the enemy team, she'll be the most obnoxious bitch shitting out sleep daggers every 2 seconds on your face and pressing 4 for a free kill.
>>498762287>>half of my ranked games some faggy teen says something along the lines of "lmao I play for fun"This is just a cope for being shit. Cheating is at an all time high with said faggy teens and these mongoloids just turn to cheating after they've been called shit enough times. But it's for fun. Haha.
>>498772749wraith is way more obnoxious to play against than haze in mid-high MMR (like 2200 or something), what are you at
>>498772663I been running leach lifestrike healing boost pulse on Abrams and it feels pretty good seen some top Russian player run it maxing out siphon then charge
28% cull is fucking retarded
>people really want to balance the game around high mmr play and competitive and not around mid level pubsEnjoy your league of legends levels of dumpster fire and forever getting pubstomped by OP heroes at that level (aka haze/shiv). NO ONE likes to play a game where it's only decent at a high level(which is not where you are and probably will never be).
>>498772663what do you mean "still", was it nerfed?
>>498764294>the movement should feel like shitkys
>>498773389>Haze should be useless because I don't want to buy active itemsReally insightful post anon.
>>498770760how do you do that when they aren't there though?
>>498773389But haze is actually like grief tier now lol
>>498772663Just replace Lifesteal with Healing Booster
>>498770917I know. I couldn't exactly push their guardian. I kept asking team to help. No one showed up. They pushed up to Walker even. I bought leap and ganked every enemy I could who was pushing but it never was enough. Our team didn't even have a 2nd flex slot until very late in the game. The objective damage only matters if you are winning anon.
>>498768518nah I'm the guy that spams ivy a lot
>>498773389If the game was meant to be balanced around pisslow 1250 mmr then active items would be deleted entirely because nobody buys them down there. And if active items were deleted entirely then Haze, Abrams and every other pubstomper would need to be nerfed into uselessness outside of that bracket because there would be no counter to them in the active items available to sentient human players.
>>498773785>>498772535Clearly not the case in we were down in this game 142k to 170k one push by me for shrines allowed us to win the game pressuring towers by yourself opens things up for you and your team especially you are playing lash and i know damn well niggas in your games dont buy knockdown so you will get away all the time trust me on this next time just hit towers it will force them to make a decision sometimes you gotta say fuck your teammates
that anon who said mirage is a tank is right. the multiplier deals a lot of damage even with just improved burst and improved spirit, but you need to be alive in the first place to stack it.
>>498773720The nerf to lifesteal unironically makes healing booster better since it's boost is independent of the diminishing stacking of lifesteal and obviously stacks with other healing effects like headhunter, healbane, etc
>>498772535Anon you realize that when you are doing this amazing "out of the box" thinking your team has to defend and work extra hard for you to even be able to do such a thing. Also only on toilet level games can you backdoor as hard as you are. In other games there's 2-3 people instantly on your ass and some people, like Wraith or Haze, will stick behind just to prevent this from happening. The amount of time you are getting there in that webm is absurd and I must conclude your enemies have to be retarded or shit, or both.
I give you a boop
>>498774536been saying this since day 1 or 2 when u look at the stats. High health + something that heals and steals health and he has a disable which temporarily gives him bullet evasion. Obviously a tank.
>game was fun for the first 60 hours>now all my matches are complete sweatfests>decide to check out that nekoscore thing>2216 I hate mmr, I'm not even a good player at all
>>498773481Last patch- Bullet and Spirit Lifesteal now stack diminishinglyFYI i have no idea what this means specifically
>>498774957Exactly. Now consider that most of the balance-obsessed opinion haver essay writers in this general are completely average and have like 1250 neko.
dead status?
>>498774575lol sometimes you just gotta say fuck your teammates and find a way to put your team in a situation to win take those 2 shrines was worth more then me being in the fight now it put pressure on them even when we are down plus it gave us flex slotsthe enemy were retarded lol they got cocky and thought they won because shiv and vindicta was going off but you can always win off of macro
What's the setting combination for double bomb bebop? Every time I do it, I refresh the fucking hook instead of the bomb despite casting it afterwards
haze buffs doko?
>>498775034we don't have the exact formula but it means 20 + 25 is actually more like 20 + 12 or something
who cares about your mmrif the game is not fun, it is not fun
>>498772535YOU CAN HIT SHRINES WITHOUT KILLING THE BASE GUARDIANS????!!!!!!
>>498775034It just means that the formula for calculating lifesteal factors in each instance of lifesteal i.e. if you have enduring spirit (10% lifesteal) + infuser (active: 20% lifesteal) then instead of getting 30% lifesteal, you would get 28%. idk how the formula works exactly but it just means that overall, you'll have lifesteal than you did before the more you stack it. This is inline with how armor works too.
>>498775576active items are fun thoughbeit, have you tried buying them instead of writing essays
>>498763993Play mo and krill, stack move speed items, become sanic mole
>>498775384make sure you have "double tap to self cast" off. it adds a delay to your bomb being cast because it can be self cast
>>498774957Lol according to that you are a top 2000 player all depending on what region tho
>>498775646NTAalso did high MMR guarantee you happiness
>>498775305I'm jealous, honestly. I loved being low MMR, I had fun.
>>498775034It means multiplicatively. So 23% and 10% is not 33%, it's actually 31%. You're getting less out of the subsequent 10%.
>>498775616Yes as long as you have creeps at the guardian
>>498775691europe
>>498775768If there was a deadlock stream that showed giga low MMR gameplay I'd watch it all day.
>>498775951Yeah you would be around top 2000 to 3000 player in Europe
>>498776136scroll in the watch tab until you get tired, you see a bunch of low mmr fiesta games
>Seven with 10k more souls in team has least damage doneEVERY FUCKING TIME
>>498775951>mortimer and klausI have no respect for anyone who plays them
>>498776518That's Mohammad and Kareem
>get Mirage who buys Magic Carpet>ask him why the fuck he has it>"im aladdin"
>>498776560nah its mandla and karel
Oh great, it's a shiv and his retarded OP ult and passive that has leech and colossus and has access to infinite uses of his ult. Whoever designed this NIGGER character has never played a video game of his LIFE.
>>498776832I wish I had a video game of my life
>>498775034before infernus would have 23% + 20% + 10% = 53% spirit lifesteal if he bought spirit lifesteal, infuser and enduring spiritnow he has 1-((1-0.23)*(1-0.2)*(1-0.1)) = 45% with the same items
>>498776832Shiv only gets strong if you let him. Your fault for not ganking him super early so he has no farm.
>>498776296oh god I'm watching a mcginnis tap fire her gun. I legitimately don't think she knows it's full auto. poor sister. 23193917
>Thread is once again full of toilet paper mmr npcs who huddle together waiting for the enemy Haze to walk up to them and ult, then come to the thread and complain how she is game-deciding and balance-ruining despite not even being in the top12 in top1% or top10% games.Sasuga.
>>498777162Damn Pocket fell off
>>498777018Oh shit sorry, I wish I could duplicate myself 5 times so I could do a 6-stack with myself only and not have to rely on the matchmaking not giving me degenerates who can't aim for shit or buy items.
Trivia time: Your duo lane just killed both the enemies and you do a little Guardian damage. However you are both very hurt and it's only 4-5 minutes into the game. What do you do?>A. Keep pressuring the guardian and look out for them coming from the zipline.>B. Stay in lane but from distance keep farming with low HP and regen.>C. You both clear troopers you can and head back to base to heal to full.
SOVL
>>498777292steal their easy camp
>>498777292C
>>498777292A if I have stamina to dash jump, B if I don't. Never C, buy regen or healing rite but never leave lane unless you have absolutely no choice.
>>498777162Lmao here comes another Abrams nerf what will they nerf next I wonder another hit to his passive or maybe a lifestrike nerf
>>498777292suicide tower after the assist timer runs out
>>498777292A. keep pressuring while the healing creep heals me and as soon as i see a blur of someone from the zipline dash jump awaythe guardian changes made them so much more valuable to break sooner
>>498777292bait my lane buddy into an awful fight and flame him when we lose
>>498777292brool is life, stay in lane and fightif I die I respawn with full health which is what I wanted anyway and I also get to buy stuff
>>498777292Depends on who is in my lane probably pressure guardian so A
>>498777292Yell into the mic that I need help and healing?
>>498777162>warden falls off to dumpster tier in the top 1%zozzle
>>498777292Depends on what characters we are, there are plenty who can make incoming players miserable having to try and fight from down the street regardless of their health advantage so long as friendly troopers are keeping the guardian's attention. If so then A. Otherwise we probably steal their creep camps/idols, cripple the next incoming trooper wave, and fall back to continue farming.
>>498777284Wonder if Deadlock could have a Meepo like hero. Since you can't micro, perhaps you can swap between two or three and the AI controls them while you're "maining" one?
>>498777292Clear the wave, steal small camp, zipline boost back to base and then either rotate if I'm significantly ahead or return to farm otherwise.
>>498777292In that specific scenario I'd clear the troopers then get healing rite. It pays for itself with the creeps you'd miss if you went back
>just lost a game to UI bug where it said our patron was not weakened when it washighly misfortunate
Oh my fucking god slowing hex just deletes Shiv completely lmao
>>498778053This one is a great answer ngl
I'm diamond mmr
>>498751490
>>498778039Calico was supposed to be like broodmother at one point before the change in kit so valve is experimenting on concepts like that
>>498778601she should give birth to kittens mid-game
>>498778308>can't dash when hexed>can't ult when hexedmonkebros...
>>498778601>Calico was supposed to be like broodmotherI know you are probably referencing a hero from another game (dota?) but I'm going to pretend otherwise
>>498744395play a non-ranked match
>>498778840Lol none ranked is ranked idk why people think its not ranked is just solo queue
I need at least 8 slots for active items
>>498746618just git gud nooblet
active items discriminate against people without mmo mice having an mmo mouse is pay to win
>>498779205What, do you use one of those 40% keyboards instead?
the current patch is shit. we're getting a new one today right?
>>498779771holliday today finally boys
these are the subhumans you get regularly matched with>yes i will specifically vpn to a server where nobody understands my nigger language>no i will not attempt to communicate with anyone because my zigger ego existsi want every "human" being east of poland disintegrated
>>498778601THE BOSS will be the dedicated summoner chump
As a McGunnis main, are there any spirit items that would still be helpful to me?Obviously I have Quick Silver Reload and Bullet Resist shredder, but anything else useful?
>>498779771we might but it won't be a big patch, the big one comes next week
>>498779771patches are every two weeks, it's next week
>>498779912slowing hex, boundless spirit, imrpoved cooldown, escalating exposure, improved recharge, diviners kevlar, echo shard
>>498779884he better put his hands in his pockets while his drones shoot for him
>>498776507anti-mage comic, but infernus, seven, and haze all at the same time
>>498779863red marks survive. I fixed europe.
>>498777292>duo laneI gank the solo lane if it's pushed up and then buy some form of healing there. If it's not, I try to take the small camp depending on the lane MU. If I'm more mobile than my opponents or I'm good at clearing camps, I take it.
>>498777292>Your duo lane just killed both the enemiesYour honor, tards in this thread will never be in this situation.
>>498776507I don't know why people think Seven does damage. He just doesn't. You can stack every damage amplifier in the game, he still does dog shit damage. The only buff he's gotten in the last few patches was increasing the size of his tesla ball and this is enough to make people think he's some high damage dealer???He's good at clearing jungle and waves, sure, but even with the extra souls he's not actually doing that much more damage. If you're building for giant tesla balls, then it's better to build for support/utility i.e. mystic slow, reverb, echo shard for stuns
>>498779863>you play games to have FUNyeah exactly and playing with russians ISNT fun
Is it time for forced50? How many 0-10s do you think I'll get in my next game
>>498780323i can understand the balts but what did the czechs and slovaks do to you anon?>>498780481try explaining that to that snownigger. its impervious to any arguments.
>>498780669shrug, just never met an intelligent person from those countries. they're hungary tier.
>shiv on my team goes full melee build>like literally just copy paste a melee abrams build unto shiv>goes 17-1 or some shitis this the hidden tech?
>>498780103Sounds pretty good, but explain why escalating exposure and echo shard would be useful on a Gun build
>Shiv delays 30% of damage taken as Dotok>When raging, it's 30+15=45% actuallyRetarded devs really fucking think adding percentages like that isn't impactful, huh?
>>498780802understandable
>>498780917with few exceptions, gun build for more than 4 gun items is a throw on most characrers, inuding ginnis
Hello, my name is Lash, I am braindead so when I see someone ult, I just press 4 and I get a free stun that bypasses everything AND throws them onto my team for a free kill, have fun.
Metal Skin or Return Fire when against a team with Wraith AND Haze?
>>498743891>check out my sweatyscore on that neko site for funsiesfucking how
Is it normal to lose 7 games in a row, 5 of them being ranked. I finally lost won my 8th game but goddamn I’m hesitant to play again
>>498781447>gun build for more than 4 gun items is a throw on most characrers
>>498780812As hidden as F button on your team keyboards
>>498781838congrats you are playing top 1% of games now how does it feel knowing that you are pretty much in immortal bracket in deadlock not sure what the equivalent of that is in league but welcome and enjoy your stay because you are stuck here
>get haze in my team>losefucking shit hero
>>498779863>pings are enough to win gameno they're fucking not lmao
I had a dream I was playing Dota and not deadlockI'm being called home...
>>498780323>Iceland survivesYeah, no. Iceland is definitely getting obliterated. Fuck those inbred retards.
>>498781959lmao you are always playing ranked niggas needs to start just calling it solo queue because that what it is your normal games are ranked games
>>498782512i had more fun early on just stomping with melee 'brams tbqh familicon. people get a lot angrier up here
It's out. https://youtu.be/SaPXlqwuOqw
>>498782590there's like 2 people living in there, tf is your problem with them?
>>498782269>"Just press F guys is that simple">Implying melee spamming retard can't just move his mouse so he whiffs his charged melee then proceeds you to melee you more while you're on parry CDFuck off.
I am glad that in pisslow nekoscore there are such amazing players with good accuracy like this.
>>498783051yeah melee needs to either have reduced turn rate or none at all, it's way too in-favor of the aggressor right now. Especially once you add in fags animation cancelling it
>>498782998I had a friend from there. He turned out to be less than a friend. Let's leave it at that.
>>498781785Both lol
>>498783137That seems 100% like a cheater dude.
>>498783430>shroud.pngI think he knows that.
>win some good matches>get put into the most garbage ass game where people sit in their lanes not communciating anything and just lose from laning phase aloneplease be more subtle with this shit
>>498780812>get 4k hp and giga resists from colossus and your kunka rum makes you unkillable>land two melees>executeits pretty ridiculous, you have to spend so much to kill him. he creates too much space built tanky, I foresee a change
>>498783182if they make it so you can't turn while punching then they got to reduce the amount of time you're stunned for if you get parried. nobody's gonna use melee ever otherwise
>>498783486you don't have to talk about yourself in the 3rd person dude not everyone knows wtf shroud is btw
>>498783183>basing your entire opinion of a country on 1 personi'd get it if it happened multiple times and consistently (COUGH COUGH RUSSIANS) but that's kinda retarded
>>498779026there's a ranked mode and a non-ranked mode nowwhat's the confusion?
>>498779863>East of p*land so a bunch of slavniggers still survive.>>498780323>Letting p*land (slavic shithole) survive but not sweden or the balticsI wonder who's behind these two posts...
>>498772535bro you aren't ratting shit in that clip, 3 of the enemy team are dead and two of the living ones have 1% health left, that is so wildly different from the scenario he described where his team is getting shit on, and probably only one person on their team was ever dead at any given time while probably half of his team was always dead
>>498783641That guy might be the only person who lives in Iceland.
>>498783790why are you so angry rajesh
>>498783790I never met a Pole outside of Polish TF2 community servers that speaks their language in voice chat
>>498783889well there's atleast one other person. he could be your friend. or wait it's gotta be a woman right?
>>498784087They have an app that tracks everyone's lineage to reduce inbreeding. There probably aren't any women there.
>>498782269>>498783051>not binding melee/parry to your thumb buttonsNGMI>>498783790>>Letting p*land (slavic shithole) survive but not sweden or the balticsNetherlands and Sweden are cuck fantasy countries. I've been there physically. I've seen it for myself. Polish people on the other hand are based and have good work ethic.
>>498772535Now imagine the damage you'd have done if you kept on top of spending souls. Please learn from this.>>498775616Anon you can literally kill base guardians before walker. If you push middle left/right lane into base guardians they're close enough to cancel the backdoor protection on a neighbouring lane. You can take two sets of base guardians before you've even taken the walker on that lane.
>>498784389>Good work ethicDelusional, we're overworked
>>498783889well when you put it that way, 1 icelandic dude is probably a higher percentage of the icelandic population, compared to 50 russians to their own population
How do I train to land more headshots?
what do you max on mirage first?scarabs and get more charges?
>>498784389>"Just press your parry, button is that simple"Still doesn't invalidate what I said.
>>498783956>>498784389>Basing your entire worldview on /pol/ shitpostsThe only difference between you and other slav subhumans is having better ping.
>>498785204if the lane, if they arent playing super compact, tornado to 2 so i can basically wraith ult and kill them, otherwise yeah scarabs first probably
>>498783697non-ranked mode is still ranked ranked mode is just the same matchmaking but solo queue
>>498785340ok punjabi whatever you say
>>498785340bladdy basterds
breastlocksexlocktitslockboobslockasslock
>>498784568you are right my brother thanks for telling me always room for improvements
>>498783430Yeah i was 50/50 on him being a cheater or a smurf. But since Mirage and his duo buddy Wraith actually managed to lose this game i would say it was a cheater with no macro.
>>498785340what part of "I've been to these countries and seen how they are" are you not getting
>>498785652leglock
You think we'll ever get something like eul's scepter? I can imagine it being really retarded if it worked 1:1, bringing characters like seven and warden up quite a bit
>>498786134what do you think ethereal shift is?
>>498786290Obviously not the same since you can't do it to enemies to set up combos
cocklock
horny bastards forgetting liplock as if youve never kissed a girl
>>498786520kissing girls is gay though
guys, really, i'm so bad at this game it hurts, i think that is because i suck at aiming so much, i've never played fps games ever
>>498743891>2nd ranked game, decide to play wraith (I didn’t touch her in months because I am too shit at her)>lose lane to pucket with the most retarded melee attempt known to both man and demonkind.>ask for help, suddenly get a rotation in, we kill pucket and push the tower >team even listens to simple calls, pushes together with WE ARE WINNING THIS, we even do misboss 2 times >have a mild performance outside of hitting objectives and buying shadow weave so I can unload ult and silence into either a pucket or dynamo (must do it fast or brain crashes to desktop in a hectic fight)>we winEither per hero MMR works properly now or my MMR will be driftwood 5. Holy shit I knew Wraith is strong but I didn’t know she is that strong if your team decides to coordinate just a bit. Also yeah, the enemy Shiv played like a retard.
>>498785471>>498785632>Everyone who doesn't like poland is a pajeet, but everybody who hates sweden is le hecking based!!!Holy reddit.
>>498786606just consider yourself based for being badonly nerds waste their time getting good at childrens entertainment
Paradox gameplan:1. Use walls to stake out a position and shoot at enemies from behind cover. While you're doing this, look for picks with carbine / ult.2. This will force enemies to either leave the area or move towards you to kill you.2.a. If they leave, you've won.3. If they run towards you, shoot them while they come in, then start charging carbine. Throw a grenade at your feet so they'll have to stand in it to get to you. Hit them with carbine once they enter your grenade's radius, then swap. Depending on the situation / how ballsy you are, you may have taken damage before you swap, in which case you'll heal up while doing damage.4. Finish them off by gunning + meleeing them down and continuing to use your wall to hurt them / keep them from shooting you.In short, enter areas, control the area with an overwhelming threat level, BROOL when necessary, move as needed. Don't use your skills unless it leads to kills.
>>498786816im glad we understand each other pajeet
>>498762287You play at your skill level
>>498786606Just consider yourself based for knowing that you are bad instead of being a dunning kruger like half of this thread suggesting balance "fixes" for "problems" only present in pisslow mmr.
>>498786816make me a curry
for some unknown reason, that nigger y4mz has me muted in game.
Charged melee should have CD, yes or no?
Activemaxxing on warden Right now I've got>fleetfoot (ammo and fast chases)>leap (rotations and ults)>return fire (bullet res and extra damage>knockdown (ez locks with 3 and slows)Any substitutions you'd suggest?
>>498777292A!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >it's warden and I have no staminaFUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>498786603you sure?
Maybe I'm playing wraith wrong but I feel like she falls off a cliff mid to late game.As soon as she gets her ult she's pretty fucking strong.
>>498787909maybe
>>498787909fuck no lol you have a parry use it melee is the most punishable action in the game
>>498788254wtf you get auto homing cards that you can spam that do fucking loads of damage late game with an amazing gun, support abilities and a get out of jail free card
How is this for a Grey Talon build?
>>498788019Divine Barrier for ability range minmaxing is nice for cuckcage and ult and lets you run down negroes faster
>>498787859maybe because of your casual use of racial slurs
>15+ min Q's for rankedamazing
>>498747558This is what Dota's numbers looked like while it was invite only.
>>498788019>>498788651seconding divine barrier, shit's great for how cheap it is. swap fleetfoot for melee charge to keep your ammo up.
>>498788641veilwalker, headhunter and sharpshooter are meme itemsreplace them with extra stamina, slowing bullets, and warpstone
>>498788651>>498788871True, but for fleetfoot? Not being slowed while shooting is pretty important to me
>>498788019No slow hex for the cuck cage?Withering whip is pretty cracked rn tooI wanna try out heroic aura(maybe rescue beam to take a dynamo or haze along)since a lot of time my team is running it down w/ me
>>498788815Lol that's nice cope but dota 2 avg number were higher and it maintained its players I don't see this game being bigger than dota 2 or cs it will 100% be bigger than tf2 for sure tho
anyone have reccs for a good mokrill build? the one I'm using relies too heavily on snowballing and doesn't really do damage if you dont, making you pretty useless except as a ultbot if you are only even or below the enemy's farm
Viscous ball should work on a meter that recharges overtime instead of a cooldown. It can be activated any time as long there is meter.
>>498789205you replace slowing hex with knockdown
>>498788689kwab
>>498789205I find slow hex to be not very impactful in comparison to other slows, and I'm fiending for purple slots as it is
>>498789031the extra range makes flask and chastity cage more likely to land, and presumably you're leaping in on people anyways.
>>498788937What about Fleetfoot?
>>498789696I'll take it into consideration.
>>498789606lets make the baby mode retard ult even more strong, you're right.
>>498788937>headhunter is a meme item
>>498789552Basically all his dmg will come from Torment pulse + escalating exposureSo after lane you rush those then stack greens to stick on peeps
you havent gotten nigger fatigue until youve played infernus echo shard. fucker just flame dashes away x2 at any possible threat and is impossible to chase or catch.
>>498788689i was thinking the same thing. i said nigger once or twice
>Vindicta, Haze, Viscous, Infernus, Yamato on team>Bully the enemy Lash for the entirety of the laning phase with bombs>Hunt the fucker down and hook his ass back to his spawn with 150+ stacks>He bought debuff remover specifically for me>mfw I'm already double bomb w/ majestic leap on his bitch ass by nowFuck you Lash, I hope you really enjoyed playing against me you piece of shit.
Why are whitoids so sensitive?
>>498788478>melee is the most punishable action in the game>Light melee is so quick you can't really react>You can change direction of charged melee to bait parries>Parry has a 5sec CD and you can get pummeled to death if you whiff it
Warden's bwc locking Infernus in the chastity cage while he blows wraith in front of him
>first ranked game>it crashes because missing sound file
Never using parry is the real mind fuck because they never know when to punch.
>>498791819>while he blows wraith in front of him
how do you dudes build kelvin? i like diving hard with beam and shutting people down for my team to pick off, but even building into that he doesnt do much damage.
>get Pocket for the first time in ten matches>enemy team has Seven, Talon, Yamato, Wraith, Lash
what are souls and why are random hotdog merchants on the streets using them for currency
>get urn>ping map to let team know i am delivering the urn>they don't give a shit and i always get gangbanged as the enemy is waiting on the other side>next game>tell team on mic i am grabbing urn >teammates immediately rush over there and keep the enemy away so i can deliverIt's like you have to actually tell people to do shit, because no one pays attention to in-game pings.
>>498792007I use it when they are 40m away to assert dominance
>>498792267pro tip use help command when carrying the urn (they will still ignore you)
>>498792087If you want to do damage with spirit, you need escalating, it's core not luxuryAlternatively buy crippling headshot
>>498792267Sounds about right. I don't care how well you perform, if you aren't on mic communicating with your team you don't actually want to win.
>crush 3 lanes>shiv on yellow is getting fucked pretty bad (0-3) but guardian is still up at 10 minutes so no disaster >We have 2 guardians taken>Unfortunately Shiv doesnt really recognise this and is getting on the mic screaming that we're noobs and griefing by not helping him (hes literally like 1.5k behind the mirage who hasnt teleported or done anything for his team)>I use teleported to go to lane after taking purple>he goes to the bottom right corner to farm the camps there >I say wtf >He says in his snownigger accent "go lose go lose idc idc">jungles the whole game while still managing to die 4 more times >at 30 minutes he decides to play because we hold the base 5v6 and manages to have impact because hes fucking shiv>Delay game for 10 more minutes >Still lose cause we're agaisnt last game haze and wraith >Ask Shiv why he decided to troll >"You no help my lane I ruin game" Alright man.
>>498793315mute everyone thats stupidif they have a point alright, but just being dumb is reason enough to never interact with these monkeys
From the 5th minute the enemy team was winning conclusively every lane thanks to the horrible matchmaking, but still despite never being close to a comeback it still lasted more than 30 minutes. This is not fun.
Is beam kelvin a meme now? Can someone post a cool build?
>>498793821>enemy team takes 10, 15, 20, 25 minute urn>you make an attempt to deny one or two and maybe steal some orbs>you are down 50k farm>your team did not take objectives during their urn runningthese games are just retarded now
>I need to LE WIN to have any funrat or brool your lost games i don't care, have fun
>>498794119>>498792087This is what I use and it's great for map traversal and initiating on enemies who are out of position, but the damage is low.
>>498794191b-but my rank
>weak alpha strike>can't flash farm>teleport is slow and requires a target >gun sucks>no base resistshow the FUCK do you do anything with this brownie without your whole team?
I am not fond of getting raped.
>>498794191I have fun either way, but if the game is a curbstomp, me or they winning is boring.
does anyone else get this fov bug?
>>498794897and yet you play pocketcurious!
>>498795021I got that once, but it was the opposite, the camera was way zoomed in the character.
>>498794767hey retard maybe you've forgotten the fact he can fucking disable enemies and shred 25% of their bullet resist???
>>498794897Bonus: some loving end game messages from enemy Bebop>Suck quietly>I fucked you while having ping>>498795056I play every hero.
>>498791236Bebop is that really you?
>>498795243>I play every hero.Toon*
You know what? I like just having Spectral Barrage as on "Aw shit, I'm out of ammo" button and basically nothing else
>>498743891Who is this qt?
>>498795662Yoshi's wife
>>498751160They were already split between the teamThey're getting stolen from all of you
I miss gun ivy
>>498796248i dont
>>498789519oh nvm it was actually doing way worst than Deadlock when it was invite only lmao
>>498794184>>498793821Next game was exactly the same except I was on the stomping team. I'm done for today
>>498797041I mean, the game also wasn't really sought after when Dota 1 was there.
>>498795021I've had this happen 3-4 times. Think it's triggered by the zipline while doing something that zooms in the screen
>>498795145I've had moderate success going melee but that's more because melee's overtuned as fuck than anything mirage does.
>tilt a Haze so hard they pick Curse and Slow Hex to kill your Lash from stealthoh boy some people are such fucking sweatshad no idea how to counter that
>>498798553>it's sweaty and tilt to counter someone You people say the weirdest shit
>>498798553>be oppressive to the enemy team>enemy decides to counter you>"wow bro i can't believe some people want to like play the game or something. you want to like, make informed decisions based on the game state? pshhhh some people"really getting tired of these kinds of posts
>>498795573I've just played 2 games with a ult build and it's great, you should try it out. It's ridiculously broken with Diviner's Kevlar, just put a wall behind your enemies and bomb them to death.
wooooooow you're tryharding it took 3 of you to kill me and win the game
>>498798553insecure post
I want ghost summons
My opponent just killed me and took my tower what a fucking tryhard piece of shit this is why the game is dying
>>498798553
>>498799070I know that feeling. I just killed a trooper and he denied me. Like bro, stop tryharding and just have some fun.
>>498798869>>498798890>>498798967>>498799090all me btw (Haze)
>>498799250this but unironically
>play one last ranked game after some decent games>get a onetrick dude who didnt get his hero and is on a hero he has 3 games played>goes 0-7-0 but is somehow less useless than the next agent>random polish(?) dude griefs the game by demanding lane swap then just running around after griefing his lane partner completely>griefed lane partner is upset and just afk farms the entire game until we lose>total of 3 agents in a single game a new recordgames are decided almost exclusvely by who gets the agent playing haze fucking up their game
>>498798553>>498799090>>498799250Everyone knows a guy like this
>>498797041The people in this thread are fucking retarded. Obviously that if Deadlock was doing as worst as these fags make it seem Valve would've canned it already like they did with their other games. If dota went from 10k average players to millions daily Deadlock can explode to even higher numbers than dota and clearly Valve sees that potential.
>>498799659oh and this was a 2300+ niggascore lobby
>lose all my lanes every game>start treating the lane like I'm playing dota>never lose again
>tilt some Haze nigger so hard he fucking starts posting on 4chanlmfao
lefaa got permad lmao
>>498800368Nice
>>498800368who and what he do
>>498800368lmao deserved
>he thinks heroes are all balanced and finelmfao
Did icefrog give special treatment to "pros" and unban them when they cried hard enough?
>>498800368racism? gonna follow now
>>498800368Qrd?
Why dont bebop players rush majestic leapIs it, let me guess, also a crutch?
>has literally zero ammo items>has almost 80 and can do this without itemsbalanced hero lmfao
>>498801518>71>almost 80?
>>498801658>too retarded to realize what hyperbole isalmost 80 IQ
crying about haze is like crying about seven's ult during week 1
What do you do when the enemy team is always together and they unleash an incomprehensible barrage of attacks?
dude btfo so hard he has to use his phone to samefag
lash is by far more cancerous to deal with than a haze.
I'm convinced the last 10 posts are all bots
>>498754142just her 4, right click scaling for all characters is 0.93
>>498801809>being disingenous
>>498801908when getting pub trained you need to observe where they are and try to rat or follow your afk junglers around so you dont get 1-2-3 v 4-5-6d
>>498801518>ammo scav>not an ammo item???
>>498802196>disingenuous>the fucking picture shows the actual amountsub 80 IQ
>>498801908Watch your team suicide into it and then scream at you for not doing the same.
I tried the crackhead speedmaxxing buildIt's okay but it doesn't feel great, the mobility ends up being inconsistent and you never have enough slots/souls for it to feel good unless you're fed, so I wanna go in a different directionWhat should I try?
oh yeah. I'm beginning to believe
>>498786072https://youtu.be/USCi-NmSGkk
ive griefed hundreds of games by now and havent been banned im convinced im untouchable only time i got com banned is when i typed something racist
>laned against Abrams and BebopI GOT FUCKED RAPED>just pa-I DIDN'T EVEN GET A CHANCE, I WAS STUNNED AND BEFORE I COULD EVEN PUT IN ANY INTERACTION I WAS GONE
>>498802454try putting a loaded glock in your mouth and pull the trigger
>>498802545reactive barrier would save you
>>498802492build-o
This was a good game, but then I stopped being able to keep up with their damage output.
>>498802545reactive barrier immediately
>>498802663I didn't even have a chance to buy it before my asshole was stretched
>>498802663>>498802804>up against bebop in lane>get reactive barrier as my third item>he never lands another hook on me after i buy it
https://youtu.be/_JasiSpmfsU
>>498802550say that to my face not online faggot see what happens
>>498803169But guess what?
>>498802358i accept your concession
>>498803428>>498801518both of you kiss and make up
>>498803605you want to watch boys kiss? ew
>carried to an absolutely undeserved victoryaw yea
Damn, reactive barrier works on a lot more stuff than I realized. Feel like I'm going to have this on me every game from now on.
>>498802454>ask this in the Deadlock Discord>they start talking about building crow and rushing EE so that you waste snipe on buildingsimagine how cucked playing rat vindicta must feel
why the hell there's random pouch on Haze ass? It literally serves no purpose besides hiding her pretty butt
>>498803730reactive barrier is one of the best early game items if the other lane has a way to proc it and their kill potential depends on it400 bullet/200 spirit shields is too ridiculous in the first 10 minutes
>>498803892It always feels funny when Mo's ult actually heals you.
>every patch makes lane kills mattering less and less in favor of uninterrupted braindead farming when the early game 1v1/2v2 is literally the most fun part of the gameif they keep pandering to moba diaper autists the FPS chads will leave and the game dies, calling it now
>>498803772smoke bomb
UPDATE TIME NIGGERS
>>498798906Well, let me see the build then, could end up trying it
>>498804234not this week
>>498804116are you the same guy I was commiserating about this with 12 hours ago?
>>498804116why would fps chads play a tps game and why would they be worth pandering to
>>498795243Why don't you go and complain to your compatriots
>>498804378No, I just also happen see the obvious
sick of these bebop unstoppable bug abuser faggots
>>498804502>use unstoppable before ult>abuse
Kelvin should be able to throw grenades and activate items during beam
>>498804564>beforebebop apologist or ignorant retard
First ranked match of the day and my haze went 0/13She was duo lane
>>498804234oh shiiiet they added wrecker and cadence
Holliday never ever
Is lash just awful in 1v1s?I feel like his damage after burst is mediocre and is only sustained is his 3 and once you use that once you right for the picking. If youre enemy buys gun/spirit armour then by late game you get fucked and against shiv or abrams it feels like you might as well be doing chip damage. Is teamfights the only options for doing well and every here else he sucks? I love playing him bud goddamn
Toxic bulletsHealbaneDecayPick one
>>498805159A good lash build specs into gun and spirit. Hollow Point Ward, Slowing Bullets, Headhunter, Warp Stone + mystic shot maybe. Gives him good bullet damage
>>498805210Decay because no one buys active items and I can use it on other characters when Abrams / Shiv / Infernus isn't running amok
>>498805159only if you're shit and don't build headhunter and other items, his 3 makes enemies gun very slow firing and 2 gives him good steroid
Just lost a game because i fat fingered windows+tab and died
>>498804116>1-2k behind>get lane kill>suddenly even
>confirm all my creeps>deny enemy creeps rarely>kill enemy 4 times>enemy is 0/4/0>farm his closest camps >he is 500 behind>die to a gank>he is now over 1k aheadheh
>>498805210Toxic bullets on pew pew ratatata characters. Decay on burst assassins. Healbane on DoT abusers and turret McGinnis.
>>498804116>>498805850if you don't know how to convert a winning lane into a long-lasting advantage don't blame the game for it
Shiv is unbalanced cancer.
>>498806038He's been a problem since he came out. He's never getting nerfed.
>>498806038>tfw every enemy shiv is 20/0>tfw every my shiv is 20/0>tfw im 0/20 as shiv after 30 games
consensus on hosting an earlier than usual inhouses?
>>498805210All 3 because team never buys any.
>>498806128He wise fine before they recently buffed him. Solid B tier>>498806274I'm down, got nothing to do right now.
>>498806128he was balanced for a while but then yoshi decided to buff him for whatever fucking reason
D8P7NShitters and EU welcome
>>498805210>pickwhy? healbane's just a free boost to the others.
>>498805210Toxic bullets just because I'm so starved for green slots alreadyt. Warden
>>498807249BECAUSE I DIDN'T SAY "PICK HOW MANY YOU WANT" I SAID "PICK ONE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
D8P7N 2/12
>>498805210Healbane+ decay is the most efficient. They cost less than toxic combined and also guaranteed to proc at the same time
toxic bullets always seemed like a waste to me
D8P7N4/12
i would like to offer a toast to all the shiv players in my soloq games nerfing themselves with the melee meme build.
>>498808163But the streamer said its poggers and epic
>finally get a non retarded lane random>take a fat shit on the enemy duo>get farmed well>still lose because every single other lane fed hard>niggers on my team still type out gg despite getting absolutely stompedi will never understand any of this
>Seven: Lightning Ball T3 reduced from +2m Radius to +1mIt's still way too big. Just fucking change the T3 to something else entirely
i still don't understand exactly what shiv's 3 does
>>498808402Me neither, but that doesn't stop me from complaining about him with my 500 bot accounts on reddit.
>>498808402it's petrified blood
>>498808163And another toast to those building Mirage as a carry rather than a tank. Here here!
>>498808290>Yoshi: okay>nerfs vindicta
>>498808402you get hit for 100 damageshiv's passive makes it so you only take 70 damage, and you take 30 damage over the next 10 secondsif you activate the 3, it will clear 40% of that damage over time, so you will instead only take 18 damage over 10 seconds
>>498808272The zen of solo queuing is in personal performance not score or wins.
>>498808680wtf that's insane
>>498808935yeah. 11 years of playing path of exile taught me how to decipher autistic tooltips quite decently
so what did the update change?
Shiv is a DLC hero
>>498809037Yeah this shit is fucked
>>498788019>fleetfoot>slowing hex>divine barrier>leapthis is the way to go about him. obviously pick up your enduring speed too. can also consider heroic aura instead of divine barrier if you wanna be more on the DPS side of things. the rest are all ESSENTIAL.
>>498808163yeah dude
>>498808680So it's functionally a 12% damage resist (18% at full rage), though a bit worse because you have to activate it to get the health back.
>Oh well a few of us just died. Whatever. Not the end of the wor->They just fucking end off of itName a worse feeling
>>498809271honestly, I've been playing him a lot and slowing hex just isn't as good as knockdown for catching people. Plus knockdown has more applications outside of the combo
What do I do against Djinn's mark
>>498788019leap is broken for initiating with your ult since you can channel it midairyou can even steer it if you do it fast enough, leap -> 4 -> double jump and descend after finishing the channel
>>498809313skill issue
>>498808163why would it be a meme? he's a close range character, tanky as shit, melee does a shit load of damage if you use it properly
>>498809496Just don't get hit.
>>498809759>if you use it properly>>>if you use it properlylmao >>498809313
>>498809867i mean if you bait with it and don't get parried
>>498808043>>>>>>lobby while ranked is out
>get parry baited once>now i'm completely fucked deadgreat system very good work yoshi
After comprehensive testing I've discovered that Paradox has the worst recoil in the game, for no reason. In fact, not only is it the worst recoil in the game, it's practically the ONLY recoil in the game? A good half of all the characters in the game have literally zero recoil at their base firing rate, and some of the characters (e.g. wraith) have "one-time" recoil, where they do recoil for the first few shots but stop after that, so if you lower your mouse to compensate you'll have perfect accuracy after that. Many characters have no recoil at all at any firing rate. Even with heavy investment into fire rate, the recoil "paradigm" never changes - you either have no recoil, extremely little recoil, or one-time recoil. It doesn't depend on your gun type, either. Lash has zero recoil despite being a burst fire weapon like Paradox.There are only two exceptions in the entire game - Paradox, and Lash, who has a fucking shotgun. These are the only characters with constant, unbounded recoil. If you buy fire rate and keep shooting, your cursor will keep going up forever. Because Lash is a close-ranged character with a SHOTGUN, and because he only has to control recoil between shots while Paradox has to control it DURING bursts, I'm going to conclude that Paradox, a long-ranged character with a burst fire rifle, has the worst recoil in the game. I genuinely don't understand who hates her gun so much. You would think you'd give the uncontrollable, difficult recoil to a genuinely gun-based character, to compensate for their gun's strengths. Instead they've given it to the character whose only defined role is to trade themselves for the enemy carry in team fights. It is a mystery.
>>498810008You can even parry light melee. Very nice.
>>498810031Oh, and yes - this means that Fire Rate is potentially actually a DPS LOSS ON PARADOX
>>498809759No disable and his only movement options are>One that's slow and doesn't really go that far without rage>Long cooldown (and requires line of sight/range)
D8P7N6/12
>>498809313punches like this have gotten me killed and its infuriating
>>498809313are they ever going to fix these retarded hitboxes?
>>498809313Shiv's got commando pro
>>498810395it's called melee charge
>>498810031>>498810195Just do a basic test on sandbox for dps. Buy fire rate item and shoot for 5 seconds then sell and buy another item to reach same waepon damage, then do the math, fire rate has at best 30ish% efficiency on her.
>>498810031And of course I meant Shiv, not Lash. I fucking hate the naming sense in this game.
any other lash players press their leap, get the sound and visual rope, but only bump slightly off the ground without it taking a charge? It happens all the time for me and it happened 3 times in rapid succession my last game.
>>498810586Yeah, it has low efficiency AND it increases your recoil to become difficult to manage, so it's entirely possible that you're lowering your DPS by buying it. Which is insane.
>>498807863It's good if you are already building gun
>>498810510he got hit 3 meters away
>>498810971>60ms
>>498810291Lads...it might be too early. I'll give it 5 more minutes then i'm going to go pub
>>498811035Something as strong as melee should NOT have client side hit detection
>>498811035that difference would make it 2 meters. The models did not collide on Shiv's end
>>498811035this shit happens to me in 17ms
I don't know how to handle Mirage in lane as Infernus
>>498811446dont worry no one knows how to handle mirage in lane
>>498811298It's probably part of the same hitbox/latency/movement prediction issue that's been present in every source game since forever.
>>498809496if he's markmaxxing then the rest of his kit is gimped, just beat on him.
>>498811838I think that bebop was trying to bait the parry
>>498811446Just focus on farming and buy Regen itema early. You can Naruto run + infuser to heal + push sometimes as usual BUT you cannot run at mirage or he will tornado and murder you.
>>498810395>look into it>melee is a cone so it has more range when done at an anglefucking hue
>>498811967He was doing a shitty job at it
God Geist is such a well designed character, I fuck up everything I do, I press 4, and ta-da, I get a free 2nd chance with zero consequence, how awesome.
>>498812062these devs need to hang themselves with their hideous character designs
>>498811838While you were jerking off with Bebop your team was struggling man.
>>498811967Highly UNDESERVED parry
>>498812170>shitter kept abilities on number keys
>>498812170Obviously you aren't fucking up if you're staying in range for 4 without dying.
>>498811967not the bebops fault, he completely missed on purpose and still got parried
>>498812373>>498809313Everyone at Valve should be locked in prison for 30 hours with only these two images on a wall
>>498811838>ttv namepromptly kill yourself lmao
>>498812763>>498812360>>498811967Not my webm, reposted some dude from discordI cant walljump kek
>>498812763why does this make people seethe so much? should I put TTV in my name if I want to bait spergs into raging?
>>498811838>tworetardsfighting.avi
>>498811838>Paradox>Needs to land everything up and force enemy to go through wall twice to do something>Bebop sticks a bomb or two on you to delete half of your hp (and your teams) in three key presses point and clickParadox is poggers you see
>>498809480I mean I love knockdown it's a great item cancels channels and all that jazz. I play it on my Ivy because knockdown cast is solid set up to ult people ever since the LOS nerfs. I just think nerfing people's dash range is very significant for how soon you get it up.
>>498812934>seething>implyingputting ttv in your name is sure sign of being a loser lmao. no one with an actual successful twitch career has ttv in their name
>>498812934Put it in so when they check after game and find nothing and seethe even more>>498808670Its brewmaster mastery, actually
>>498812062>its the pyro airblast hitbox all over again
>>498812934nta, but whenever I see anyone with "ttv" or "twitch" in their name in any game, I fully expect them to have a meltdown at some point or just throw the game
>>498812373Lmao when that shit happens to me I get mad af>>498812732Lol it's kino jank stuff do we really want it gone
>>498813219Just say nword couple.of times
>>498812934don't forget to also add some cyrillic script and use an anime avatar
>>498813016Slowing hex is more versatile than knockdown for sure while being cheaper. Knockdown is for very specific scenario and more of a straight duel item. Slowing hex is better lock down and chase. Slowing hex also silence "movement ability" and active like warp.
How long does it usually take for inhouse to fill up? I'm snoozin over here!!
>>498813229>Lol it's kino jank stuff do we really want it gonethere's nothing kino about shit like this
>>498813314This is an incredible idea and I'm going to do it unironically
>>498813460Normally its faster than that but they also begin later usually
>>498813460Not doing it when EU goes to sleep
post mirage builds
>>498813460you're only supposed to join when there's 1 slot remaining or else you wait for hours just to be played without
>>498813219in my experience theyre all just incredibly shit at whatever game theyre playing at that moment
You shouldn't be allowed to play this game if you're over 25. You can't aim. leave my games
8/12Gonna take a shit
is lash vs mirage lane pretty much unwinnable for lash? his gun murders you and if you try to go in and stomp he gets a free 1 frame knock up and some evasion
>>498813824You shouldn't be allowed to play this game if you're under 25. You have no macro. Leave my game.
wraith has too much in her kit
>>498813824I sucked at aiming until last year at 24 I got serious about aim training and am now the best aimer I personally know
>>498813946Just flog max bro
>>498813313>nwordjust say nigger you little bitch
>>498813824I don't need to aim zoomzoom. I'll just put you in the cuck cage
>>498814307Flogmaxxing will be the next meta build everyone runs when someone does it in tourney, I swear
>>498804298Sorry for the late reply, it's basically just this build but I rush Kevlar as my first tier 4 item.
>>4988143736-13 as Abrams is nasty work
>>498814508>heroic that early with no greensturrets will die instantly and you aren't shooting all that often with ult builds. Just buy something else.
>>498814373DAMN
>>498813824I can aim good or I can drink and I choose to drink.
D8P7N9/12 LETS GET THIS PARTY GOING!!
I'm laned against haze every fucking game no matter what character I play. Is this happening to anyone else?
>>498814668It depends on how the game is going but I usually pick fleetfoot early instead of late too. It's just a pre-made build after all, but the really important parts are >superior cooldown + improved reach on ult>diviner's kevlar>mystic slow>late game: escalating exposure >ultra late game: mystic reverb >how hasn't the game ended yet: refresher
Get out of spectator let's fucking go play already!
>>498814914thats a great thing haze is ass so it should be a free lane
Lefaa apparently was banned because he had a 20%+ report rate (according to staff on the official discord) plus one night he was afking almost every game that his team was losing
>>498814824just 1 more it looks like
duppy chose a character
>>498815091God I hope perma bans carry over to full release
>>498815091Deserved
Inhouse starting rnStream on cl_ogar0 with commentary
>>498815091literally who?
>>498815091He was getting banned back when the game had like 2k players, I think he's actually got something wrong with him.
>>498815294That "something wrong" is that he's a loser irl
I'm usually positive k/d, but my soulcount is lower in the pack. What does that mean?
>>498815091good, get fucked
>>498816190too much time brooling
>>498814962I usually go something like this. hasn't steered me wrong yet.
>even souls but handily winning team fights>take midboss, they respawn as soon as we kill it>fly up through hole and stake haze but they crash on us>team down in the pit just all walked away from the Rejuv and though someone else would get it and Warden just walks in and melees it for free>snowballs into them getting a second midboss and us losing off a strong leadYou guys were right, 2000 niggascore is still bad
>>498816692ok
MNAXXWELL WHERE ARE YOU
>do a PERFECT match with kevin, top souls>keep lane safe n sound>go through peeps during match ganking too>losehow?
HOLD ONI HAVE TO PUT THE PIZZA BACK IN THE OVEN ITS NOT READY YETJUST WAIT
>>498815091I tuned into one of streams a day or two before his ban and it was the funniest shit ever>lost kid you not 90% of his games (went something like 2 - 9)>complained about no duo queue (kek premade boosted shitter outed)>reported every game>called his personal army to report someone with match IDahahahaha all the ‘content creators’ are unfunny clowns pretending to be rank 1 pros in a playtest party game
>>498816190you arent picking a character that can 1 button press clear medium camps at 8 minutes
>>498816692if you're there 2000 is the new bronze
H6M77New inhouse
>>498817579>mediums>not hardsISHYGDDT
Was looking like a good game bros shame about the disconnects
8/12 H6M77
>do a gorillion damage as kelvin>Stomp my lane >do a bagillion healing>still lose because I have so little agency in a 6v6 gameI'm finally tired of this game, 250 hours was good enough. I'm also really annoyed of how fucking slow and safe the laning phase has become
>>498817802Join inhouse H6M7710/12
>>498815091I dont know who this is but he sounds like a massive faggot
Discord is such a fucking cesspoll. I can't believe people willingly dwell in this garbage
warning to not play ranked until they fix sevens ball farming camps without him needing to be present he will at minimun have 15k soul lead on anyone in the game
>>498817802i still hate that mcginnus has full lane control because of her wall choosing priority of where your minions meet the enemies so you can just hold under your tower until exactly when your strong enough to push and take the enemies tower after 1 kill.
Need 1 moreH6M77
>>498817985Just a random NA fag with ego boosted higher than his mmr apparently
>>4988180109 times out of 10 that 15k soul lead is 15k souls stolen from somebody actually playing the fucking gameseven is worthless to have on your team
>>498818010Aren't neutrals supposed to stay underground unless someone is nearby?
>>498817605I'm 9-5 in ranked :3
>>498818045Creeps should just unironically phase through wall>>498818147
>>498818223>>498818045i just made a feedback post suggesting a small gap for creeps to crawl under, i agree it's op. it also works when pushing walkers to keep creeps safe for a big double wave push it's really really dumb
>>498818106Only when the Seven is on my team.Seven's on the enemy team always use their soul lead to chuck giant fucking balls down lanes that slow you to a crawl and do half your health to make it impossible to defend or attack walkers. That stupid fucking ability is so braindead for area denial.
cl_ogar0Watch community streamer for inhouse commentary
all i wanna do is play the game bros
Who let the dogs out
>>498777292depends how much range i have. if im mcginnis (which i am 90% of the time) i fall back to the bridge/whatever high spot and fire at the enemy troopers which leads to my troopers damaging the enemy guardian while im in safety. im healing from my two while doing this
>>498814005As someone who plays her I agree. The crazy building damage she gets from Full Auto should probably be toned down. The AoE Telekinesis upgrade is also excessive when she's supposed to excel at bursting down 1 target.
>>498813456wait does slowing hex seriously stop you using warp stone?
>>498777292Healing rite
>>498819346Yes
>>498818010redditors lack the brainpower to complain about anything besides his winrate and previous ball range sizeas icefraud already revisited him he’s prob gonna remain the same too bad
>>498815091he's been banned like 6 times already. nigger just hops onto a new account every time. I've played with the guy first hand and he is the most insufferable cunt you can imagine. I'm put solo lane ivy, I tell my team I'm gonna get raped on my lane if I don't get a swap. no one is interested in giving me a duo. surprise surprise, Ivy can't do shit on a lane solo and I lose to a launch shiv. lefaa hops on the mic and starts screaming over the mic at me asking am I an agent and 'who is paying me to int his game'. I just muted him and got on with my game. but he literally had a sperg meltdown because I lost my tower like 5 minutes into the game. I hope some day these 'pro' faggots get kiwi threads made about them.
>intentional feeding in inhousesactual faggot behavior
reminder /dlg/ is a LIBERAL general
>>498817520>>called his personal army to report someone with match IDthe best part about this is that you can't even fucking report people in matches you weren't in. he's braindead.
>>498818010i use him to ricemaxx and set my goal to get EE and mystic slow before 20 mins then start running around deleting people who show up on the minimaphe doesnt need more nerfs because ball is the only thing he has left
>>498819490I just assumed 'movement based abilities' was limited to just actual skills. Does this mean Fleetfoot is silenced too? This really changes how I look at that item...
>>498819690Really puts into perspective the state of reports in the game. They really do literally nothing
>>498820083yeah like the russians you see abandoning games constantly literally have like 5 smurfs lined up ready to go incase one gets banned or they can't play. I've witnessed it on stream.
new bread?
hey nerds just played my first 3 ranked games and won them allhow come I can only play ranked for like 2 hours a day?I main Lash btw
>>498820207Sorry we all agreed this would be the last one, we're officially finished with discussing deadlock
HURRY THE FUCK UP MAKE A NEW THREAD
I CRASHEED
>>498820424Crasheed is unironically a 10/10 name for an Arab
>>498819690Simply win your lane, loser.
>>498820520Maybe if Yoshi listens to my post I will.
>>498813001Just use the simple argument of, you itemize against bebop but not against paradox, therefore she is shit.
vindicta is fucking traaash now holy shit what do i dodevs getting salty they're getting smashed up be people who can actually coordinate their hands so they buffed all the no aim characters and nerfed the aim ones. nice
>>498821136>>498821136>>498821136>>498821136You faggots wouldn't do it so I did it myself.
>>498779912rapid recharge, improved cd
>>498798553>they
>>498802746retards will really build life steal AND shields time and time again
>>498818358how fucking braindead are you that you're losing half of your health to a stationary ball?
