Previous thread: >>499909635>Version 1.03(1.04 if you're on console) is out!https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2679460/view/4526772422651793108?l=english>Metaphor: ReFantazio peaks at 85k concurrent players on Steam!>Metaphor: ReFantazio surpasses 1m sales on launch day>Now available EVERYWHERE (but Nintendo Switch and Xbox One)>Metaphor: ReFantazio Special Soundtrackhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kT8go1ScWljmvHOjpzywgsnV1fI036Ovg>MetaphorFix (adds proper ultrawide, things, etc.)https://github.com/Lyall/MetaphorFix/releases>Kino commercialhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDTdS9rRdA>How many hours have you played?>What day are you on?>What are your favorite classes?>Favorite BGM?>Are you having fun?>"How should I build my MC?"Realistically anything works, you won't brick yourself even on Hard or Regicide. Common consensus is a hybrid STR/MAG/AGI is best.>"What is the best team comp?"Just about everything works, do whatever you like the most and it'll work on any difficulty.>"How should I manage my time?"There's more than enough time in the game to 100%, do whatever you'd like.PLEASE MARK SPOILERS
>can you keep a secret?>here's the leash>come inside
am i stupid or is there no way to get the items or go back? do i just have to keep going and they will turn off later?
>>500013720beat the boss then go back in. the teleportation shuts off
>>500013650do you mean the far future of the soul hacker/persona universe? because devil summoner diverges from smt:if/persona/soul hacker very bigly
I'll fuck my mother (male)
>>500013767Yeah, but I'm pretty sure devil summoner is the same timeline. Like the devil summoner protag literally appears in P2. Unless you mean Raidou, which also still takes place in the same timeline, just at a point before it can either diverge into the devil summoner/persona timeline or the smt1/2 apocalyptic world.
>>500013892no you're right, I just confused myself thinking of digital devil story/megami tensei when I read devil summoner.
Finisher noodles my beloved
>>500014247>he knows DELET THIS
I will seduce my Lore Rud Loo Wheeze...
Vagina bones
Strohl victimizing the endgame and not letting me and my 3x synthesis accessory get a turn
Does the game end at Sept 23rd? There's no way I can wrap up all these bonds in just 10 days especially with sidequests still available
>>500014481you done fucked up, see you in NG+
>>500014481You have a full month to go
Post your stats
>Louis is presented as the big bad and final villain the entire game>The final fight is actually against him, not some god or something.Honestly impressed they did this.I'm so used to the jrpg twist final villains that it's pretty commendable they stuck with him all the way through
Paladin or Dork Knight?Does it even matter?
>>500014897Dork Knight, but it's obvious that Paladin would be Hulkenberg's canon choice
What to play after I finish Metaphor?
>>500014991paladin trivializes any boss fight with her synthesis
>>500015063Been wondering this myself broI've tried Tales Of Berseria last night but I dunno, the combat seems silly.I may just go back and play Metaphor on Hard Mode this time.
How do you expect me to believe an entire race can keep a secret that massive?
>>500015186yes when they number in the dozens and live in the super secret hidden forest of hiding
>>500015063SaGa remakeRed Dead PC releaseSMTVV if you didn't back in July
Did you like the Skybound Avatar BGM?
>>500015063i'm hoping da4 isn't absolute dick
>>500015154Fair enough.I always underestimated synthesis skills.
>>500015396i had to use it for the poison dragon or he would cuck my ass
*feeds you blue fruit psychedelics without your informed consent*
>>500015063>>500015168persona 2, it's the best in the series and you've put it off long enough. the gameplay isn't even dated, you just got a bad impression because you foolishly tried to start with p1
>>500015186The church is the one keeping the secret.
>98 Luck>critical still non existentI guess MAG and STR is the only way
>>500015834crit comes from Tycoon passive, 5% passive, and gearsorry you had to find out this way
>>500015680Don't feed him lies. P1's gameplay is honestly better than P2's
>>500015772Wait a minuteCan Eupha see this?She's got the third eye for seeing magla.Do that allow her to see through the Nidia's glamours?
>>500015063I'm going to play Card en Ciel next.>>500015680Innocent Sin is one of the worst games Atlus has ever made and P1 is much more enjoyable.
>>500015351I liked it, but I wouldn't say I was impressed by it.
>Catherine's before the final battle talkYeah, I don't know how someone could say there's no romance in this game
>>500016392there's no romance in this game
*sniffing Maria tight cunny* (required Courage: 5)
>>500016676
So I just finished the gameGameplay is fun but the ending is kinda eh
>>500017110Dude she came on so strong. I was not expecting that.Why did they write her (and others) like this if they were going for no romance?I don't get it.
>>500016021who gives a shit about gameplay>>500016170tile based dungeon crawlers are awful, and while the story in p1 is nice, it's a lot less substantial than p2
Catherina canonically loves (You) btw
Any reliable source for rainbow salt or are they purely quest reward and such?
the real fantasy was the friends we made along the way
>>500017490yeah cause they don't exist
>>500017343>meanwhile Edeni plots a murder
>>500017637He is supporting the ship though
>pick the wrong answer>game endsHaha epic troll Atlus
>>500017289Hashino lost the touch
>>500017665That's nice of him but I think the gauntlet runner is seaworthy enough to float without his help.
>>500017289Yeah I agreeI feel the cracks started showing in Altabury.
Did they run out of time/budget for the game after Virga Island? What the fuck was that final dungeon design
>>500017984>Did they run out of time/budget for the game after Virga Island?I'm coming around to the idea that the mage academy should have been a dungeon.
>>500017984It's really amusing to me how it's these wild extremes of >omg dungeon suck assor>omg finally a real dungeon Atlus
society has moved past the need for dungeons, integrate all combat into the open overworld, the more they can break up the combat gameplay loop the less fatiguing it'll be. if you're sane you only play persona/refantazio for the story/art/music/calendar system anyway
I don't know why people want a dungeon about a place that is like two throwaway lines that we know nothing about. -Elden Sanctuary-Floating Estate-Flying rock above Altaburry are all places that get more description than it
>>500018408I wonder
>>500018408>we know grius trained there>we know they studied the archetypes>we know more is connected>we know the church shut it down>but why would you want to go there to find out more about it?
>>500017427Please respond
How hard is to find a paripus or a nidia girl who isn't used goods?
>>500018408Personafags are like pedophiles; they just feel an unending urge to gravitate to schools
>>500018408Junah also says "It's too early for us to visit" if you try to click the mage academy again from the gaunlet, so it's like almost teasing you that you could revisit it
the accessory to reduce synthesis skill cost should not exist
>>500018789kek
>>500014380lick it
>>500018408>why do you want cool dungeons instead of lazy recolors
>human bosses early game>struggle to beat them even by exposing their weakness and playing around with their gimmicks>human bosses end game>lol get oneshot bitches
>>500018408For me, it's about getting the Rella reveal at a slower pace.It's sort of weird that she goes from picrel to apologizing to her sad backstory in the span of a few minutes.We could have been dripfed the backstory and her true feelings through exploring the academy.
>>500013569Can I really not turn this shit off?
>>500017984Yes but it all started with the Oceana arc. The game goes nosedive from than on in terms of budget.
>>500019189I think everyone who isn't a stupid coomsumer wanted something like that.
So Royal Sword is cool and all but will Magic MC work? There's no almighty magic on Prince
How old is Junah?
>>500019480Rella is 22 and Junah is younger
>>500019528she was 12 when the curse happened and it's been 12 years since
Is October the last month? I just unlocked the royal archetypes but there's no way I can get enough magla to learn them naturally without heavy grinding.
>>500019625That was my logic but I thought it was 10 years ago.
>>500019638You will get ample leaves to max them even if in the final dungeon.
>>500019478I did Magic MC and it worked fine for the most part, the bread and butter set up for me was having Junah apply a Light weakness and doing Hyper>Exorcist Light on the protagonist. I just inherited those two on to Prince. What was disappointing was that the final boss took more damage from Royal Slash than Exorcist Light despite my low Strength, I guess he just takes a lot from the extra damage against Humans. The boss actually seemed difficult before I started using Royal Slash.
>>500019478if you go Magic MC (because you love dick) then honestly there's no reason to not mail Summoner, Elemental Master, or Warlock. EM in particular can do similar numbers to the bullshit floating around.
>>500019638>go to the death cult side dungeon>farm mimics for an hour>do the arena 2-3 times for the a-exp and maglaThat's how I got them
>>500019638you will have enough, trust me i was in the same position
Okay, so Strohl is consistently hitting 60k crits with his weapon that gives 3x damage to synthesis skills Time to swap him over to Tycoon for these last few bosses and see if that's as strong with the 3x damage weapon. I am guessing they're going to be similar with almighty probably being more useful on shit like that faggot phys reflect poison dragon I fought a while back
>Last days before the final encounter>Stats maxed, links finished, books read, queen of debates>Can't do coliseum because of bad weather>Bitch won't let me go on deck to fish because of bad weather>Japanese weather man only change it for dungeons but not superior Western cities>No entry to hot springs because only open at night>Open menu and quit again
>>500020370Go to sleep,it's what most people did.
I wish these lvl 88 teeth would spawn in faster
>>500013881basado twink mother (King) gooner desu, he's too fuckable btw source?
>>500020523I gave a speech, it felt appropriate, but it was just a generic speech about funding the arts.
GALLICA PLEASE BE NICER TO ME
I just started today, played around 4.5 hours until Hulkenberg joined the party for realThoughts:- Hard mode is HARD. I think I'm supposed to not let enemy get a turn by preemptive strike and one turn kill? but that's not possible since enemies keep getting tankier- I'm running out of items to heal. why is there no free full heal at Safe Spot? did they give you free heal in Persona's safe rooms? I can't remember.- I should be able to use Healing skills on Field, even when I don' have the Archetype equipped. it's annoying having to switch to Seeker/Healer just to heal on field- Why can't we have pic related young and feminine Hulkenberg instead of the tall, built like a brick, bad posture Hagkenberg? God she's so ugly. and that negative ass... yikes. Sthrol's model is also really bad with bad hunchback posture.- HAYAMI SAORI'S VOICE DOESN'T FIT HULKENBERG. maybe she fits younger Hulk, but not the hag Hulk. her voice is way too soft and high pitched for her. same with Brigitta- I'm waiting for nude mods to make Hulkenberg more tolerable to look at /blog>>500015063Romancing Saga & Ys10 with nude mods
>>500020370I am glad they gave you ample of time to finish your shitI don't want to follow a guide just to complete everything like in persona
>>500021147i'm honestly not even sure if it's possible to NOT finish everything if you are actively trying to. i don't give the game too much shit for this as it's clearly less focused on time management than p3, 4 and 5, but it is funny just how bad you'd have to fuck up to not have time to do everything
>>500021012Preemptive is helpful for the unscathed bonus but you can manage fights fine normally. Just don't get ambushed because you're better off just dying and reloading at that point. For that it's at times better to just forget roll exists and hit the squad battle if you can't stun an enemy before they flash.MP management is a big part of the game because it's so generous on time you're not intended to beat the big dungeons in one day even though you can. Early game swap to mage and get 1 mp back per overworld kill. Wizard has a skill that regains mp in battle that you'll want on everyone along with a way to activate it. Other archetypes have other options and there are some accessories that do it too.Press up to autoheal. I can't explain how it works because it works even on my regicide playthrough when I have brawler/mage/warrior/thief out.
>>500021012>- Hard mode is HARD. I think I'm supposed to not let enemy get a turn by preemptive strike and one turn kill? but that's not possible since enemies keep getting tankierYes, you're supposed to nuke the enemy before they get to run a train on you. Although it's normal to have difficulties at first, you'll find that it's more than doable the more you advance except on some particulary annoying ennemies. Preparing accordingly is key, there's a reason why the game harass you about the Akademia and archetype mastery.>- I'm running out of items to heal. why is there no free full heal at Safe Spot? did they give you free heal in Persona's safe rooms? I can't remember.In early game, Hulk get a skill that heal a large chunk for fuckall out of combat. In later game, having issue keeping yourself topped up would definitely be an issue on your end, there's more than enough.>- I should be able to use Healing skills on Field, even when I don' have the Archetype equipped. it's annoying having to switch to Seeker/Healer just to heal on fieldIt takes a fucking second>The last 3 bits of absolute non sense and shit tasteBe quiet.
>>500021734you can iframe roll almost every enemy if you do it as they flash. it only gets sketchy if you're surrounded by a lot of enemies on the field. solo elites are easy to get preemptives on
>>500021734Huh autoheal won't work if you dont have a recovery skill
>>500021012Forgot to mention that EXP gain is soooooo slow and I hate that I don't recover HP/MP on level up. I got a mission to level up Healer to Level 10 by forgothisnamebuthe'svoicedbydio in Velvet room, but seems like it'd take forever to complete.
does alterbury not have a new theme?
>>500021968Mostly yes, but some have delayed attacks and reach or odd hitboxes that will catch you. Snakes for instance have deceptive range sometimes curve and sometimes delay. They also have two different attacks.>>500021971Yeah like I said, I don't know how it's working. Maybe because they're all unlocked to be inheritable even though I haven't inherited them?
>>500021012>- I'm waiting for nude mods to make Hulkenberg more tolerable to look at
>>500022097using healer for a bit is not terribly unwise as you're in the land of skellies for a while anyway
I feel like Tycoon is shit compared to Royal Warrior. Tried it for several boss battles, and even with 3 Tycoons I wasn't hitting DOSE BIG NUMBERS like Warrior. 3 Tycoons also means Will has to wear that class accessory unless you want to lose his extra turns ability and you have generally shitty ass synthesis moves .It's fun if you like to stack the same dude, I guess.
>>500022097Healer to 10 is pretty quick, and has useful skills. You want to do more's quests because his bonds unlock a big QoL feature, and soulhacker is busted as fuck.
>>500022097His name is Igor.
can I grind infinitely and max out all archetypes?
what led to this?
>>500022578tycoon is not really an endgame archetype. it works fine for most of the game, and then you get really good passives to inherit on your endgame archetypes.also it took literally the whole game for warrior to get good, it deserves it
>>500022781Literally the shading. She still has that ass in certain positions.
>>500022671yea in the final dungeon
>>500022915thats because there's no competitionJunah is literally a dwarf and Eupha is not sexy at allIf only Catherina was a party member
Metaphor ReFantazio: Mage Academy
>>500022816well I saw posts and videos (how did Youtube know I was playing this game anyways, I didn't look up any videos at all for it) saying how OP and ENDGAME RAPING Tycoon was so I wanted to try it with Charge, 3+ attack, 3x damage, double crits, and 100% crit.It's fine, it'll work but the ultimate classes are better.
Metaphor Refantazio: atlus for once decided to just make another game instead of milking the same title endlessly
>>500023186Jokes on you we will get Metaphor sequel for the next 5 years
>>500023083Elden Chads win again, sorry Atlus chuds
>>500023186Say that after Metaphor Re Fantarena bitch.
>>500023134yeah, i think people get committed into making tycoon work since merchant stacking was ridiculous early in the game, and tycoon still has a lot of immediate power when you get it. it's just that you get a lot of options to build stuff like martial artist, elementalist, or the royal archetypes by endgame
>>500023360>>500023306I know it's a pipedream.. at least don't waste time making a royal edition 3 years later
How do you build red elf?Knight is shit.
>>500023437Her entire role is to tank
>>500015063take your pick
>>500023437Learn to love her as a tank
I thought this game was like 70-80 GBs?I'm reinstalling it now and it says 35
>>500023437you have her taunt every round and make every single early game hard mode boss a jokethen when you get Paladin, Dark Knight, and finally Royal knight, you reflect damage back on monsters in case you fuck up an ambush, help the other support character put on debuffs quickly, and cast your hilariously OP end game shield with a synthesis ring.
>>500023186I can tell you right now what happens nextThe story stays the same but gets new small tidbits of fluff inserted up till the endKing archetype is paid dlc and utterly brokenInsert new donut steel red haired spunky girl that joins you but changes nothing in the base plotLouis gets a bond that slowly spoils all beforehandPost canon we go to the mage academy, somehow a god shows up and somehow Louis joins as a party member but disappears at the end againEnding still hints at new stuffPersona 6 uniform dlc once it's announcedHere's your rerelease before we go into Metaphor 2 International warfare and national unrest
>>500023578this. her synergy skills are also pretty good, and is a good source for weakness applications for a while. she also functions as a mage, as a requisite for unlocking more of her knight classes, so she can be a good source for double mage synergies
>>500023437Most people put her on brawler early because they have the fire sword on strohl and mc on mage or healer. The cathedral is bad for knight because nothing is pierce weak. But knight has some of the strongest synthesis skills early on, and magic knight just gets better.
So now that we've finally played it, experienced it and are getting a sequel...What did you think of Metaphor? Did it match up to what you were expecting from Hashino's new IP? Did it live up to the lofty expectations of Project Re:Fantasy?
>>500023845can I go full mage build with her? tank is kinda boring
>>500023654>>500023578>>500023706yea but then my party doesn't deal enough damage. I like being aggressivie
Hulk is just bad
>>500023083It will be commendable if it was intended to be left out and they don't drop a re-release in 3 years with it The dungeons are so samey it couldn't have been that resource intensive anyway
>>500023856>What did you think of Metaphor? I think it was one of the best RPGs of the year. I can't believe that I, a Yakuza fanboy is saying this, but it was better than Infinite Wealth, also a Sega game. It's my second place game, right after Eldtree for 2024.>Did it match up to what you were expecting from Hashino's new IP? Exceeded it. Came out of the gate STRONG>Did it live up to the lofty expectations of Project Re:Fantasy?I mean, 1 million sold in 5 days? Was even Atlus expecting this strong of a reaction from an AA budget game?
>>500023891>t. normal mode
>>500023889early game hard mode is about staying alivelate game hard mode is rocket tag and then you have 1-2 damage guys and 2-3 buffers and debuffers You can not use her and use Basilio or Heismay instead and you'll be just fine. I'm just saying getting ambushed on hard because you fucked up, reflecting an AoE back at the monster and ending the ambush then and there is god tier while other retards ITT cry about losing 'muh 2 hours of grinding'
>>500023856I enjoyed it, I'm happy with it, I do think it needed more polish. But it was a good game.But no, its not what I expected from re:fantasy, because at the end of the day it draws far too much on persona/smt/dds frameworks and finds it very hard to do its own thing. I respect that it is a love letter to atlus games including EO, but i expected a fresh, brand new JRPG IP.
>>500023886NoShe's paradoxically bad at mage but also needs elemental master for her higher tier knight archetypes.>why is she bad at mageShe's slow. Of your starting crew she will always go last unless you throw tons of agility gear on her. You want mages to be first so that they can actually hit weaknesses to generate press turns.Paladin, dark knight, and royal knight are also busted.
>Help cook a meal at the inn with MariaHuh there's an achievement for this I didn't even do that once
That ng+ boss just kicked my ass at lvl 82. At least I managed to get it to half health.
>>5000238569/10The altabury hiccup was unfortunate but everything before and after was great.
Its funny they force you to level up mage tree with Hulk when she's absolute shit with itAlso Heismay has got to be the most annoying to unlock his unique archetype. I need to level up billions of classes just to unlock it
>>500024231ah that sucks, I'll have to bench her ass then
>>500023856I enjoyed it, but it's not what I expected in a lot of ways. It was better balanced and had more engaging combat than I expect of Persona devs and I didn't expect it to be so referential to other Atlus titles, were the main points. The main thing that interested me about Project Re Fantasy when it was announced was the bit with a character, that we now know is More, talking about his fantasy of a world that is just our world. I'm glad they kept that aspect of the game into the final release, but I do feel they could have done more with it than they did.
>>500024431They knew how strong royal thief was and threw up every barrier they could to make you earn it.
>>500024431Yeah, levelling up the Mage lineage with Hulkeberg was just weird. Every other character has you level Archetypes that mostly feel fitting for the character to get to their Royal Archetype, the one other exception I'd say is Heismay also needing to level Mage to get Wizard to 10 to get Magic Knight.
gallica likes booze?
>>500023856It was okay but the 10/10 reviews across the board had me expecting much more from it.
is this 3 niggas or 4 niggas in a row? there are total of 6 playable characters, right?
>>500024883all those 10/10 were SOLELY because journos got memed by "this game is so progressive!" insider circlejerk and you know it.
>>5000248894 niggas in 2 rows, 7 playable. you can swap out members mid battle aside from the protagonist
>>500024854Fairy society is completely debauched.
>>500024883Journalist ratings are fucked and skewed upwards, they give 8s and 9s to games that are fairly unremarkable so they don't have much room to go up when something deserves a higher rating.
I need more sexy fanart of Brigitta
>>500024994Eh I have 100 review open now looking at it being called a "90 hour masterful fantasy epic". It felt like a very normal jrpg fair.
Definitive, objective, not biased at all tier list of everyone's bonds. As much as I love Bas he sadly feels like a side character in his own bond.
>>500023856good story and atmospheremade me realize I hate turn based combat and long games especiallyI was just rushing it to get to the social links/story partsI won't be playing a sequel or any other atlus games or jrpgs or rpgs whatever I'd play a catherine sequel anytime
>>500025363Bardon's isn't that bad and Alonzo's ruins its own story by pussying out.
>>500023856>not as dark as pathologic games>story isn't as compelling as planescape torment>music isn't as memorable as chrono trigger>gameplay isn't as fun as divinity original sin 29/10 game but still. So close yet so far hashinobros
Which denuvo jarpig game should I play next?
CHURCH EVIL
>>500025558why does it need to have denuvo
gallica has a tiny volume relative to surface area, so she's gotta radiate lots and lots of energy, why don't we ever see her eating? she'd have to eat a huge amount of food relative to her weight as a mammal of that size. she'd need to always be close to a nutrient source
>>500025590just like real lifeand the pastand the future probably
>>500025704because I have a trick to bypass it. I want to play them all before valve patched it out
>>500025590write what you know
>>500025363>>500025439this. alonzo doesn't deserve S for that. heismay is the only S tier
>>500025786You're a slave to FOMO, I pity you.
>>500025881said anon on /meta/ - Metaphor: ReFantazio General, a denuvo game
>>500025786what trick?
>>500025363alonzo is S because will genuinely seems affectionate with him and he's basically just paying passive lip service to everyone else. he calls him a dear friend with words of greater intimacy in the link, and in the epilogue he yells at him. everyone else he goes through the motions with, but alonzo is his true love
>>500023856The first 20-30 hours was some of the best of any JRPG I've ever played, but it definitely tripped over its feet a couple times narratively. I like that they were willing to experiment a bit with the progression model of Persona/SMT but I feel like it was a tedious step backwards in a couple ways. I'm a bit disappointed in how short and simple the dungeons turned out to be, the lack of enemy variety, and the simplification of the intrigue towards the end, but I think the characters did a lot to carry me through my gripes. It's a really good game and a good platform for improvement in whatever sequels we'll have, but on its own I still think it falls a bit short of games like SMT Nocturne, 4, or Persona 5.
>>500025385b-based
>>500025842I disagreeHad alonzo gone through with it it would have violated and gone back on everything in his arc. He's also a faker so it makes sense to fake it.
>>500025720>she'd need to always be close to a nutrient source
>>500025926That doesn't make any sense.Anon said he was going to play denuvo games just because he could crack them, that's what FOMO means.
It's a simple list from a simple man.
>>500025720>why don't we ever see her eatingShe's eating in the after-dungeon scene, no? I distinctly remember her waning a tiny mug and a full plate on hands.But also, probably sustained by magic.
>just came back from Mage academyPlease don’t tell me this is the end of the game
>>500026287move maria up to fuckable friends
>>500025980Based Alonzo truther
>>500026287move maria up to marriage material
>>500025363you put Catherina 2 timesbut overall I agree, Bardon's a bit too low though
>>500026287I want to head pat Marias womb the head being muh benis :D
>>500026031>I'm a bit disappointed in how short and simple the dungeons turned out to beif they kept the quality of the island dungeon with more puzzles, if only for the main dungeons, it would have been 10/10. i desperately miss properly good dungeons in jrpgs.
hate how easily you can max a stat in smt games, let me specialize..
>>500026673I don't even know how that happened. I remember putting her in C because I forgot about the second half of her bond, then bumped her up after remembering how she had to face the consequences of her short-sighted temperament being the catalyst for her ideals that she inspired in others. I think the list may have had her listed twice and I just grabbed the second one rather than moving the one I placed initially.
>>500026396>>500026626>>500026714pedos OUT
>>500025590>in the end the church still survives and all the evil fucks are still there plotting in the background really makes me think
now that I think about it, a metaphor anime could be really good, it could happen eventually
Yes. Yes I am.
>>500027339I wish she was naked under the cape
>>500027339mashaallah... are they praying?
>>500027472It's meditation.
>>500027396She probably does go commando under it when she thinks she can get away with it
>>500027472>mashaalahthey are praying in front of an altar bro
They need to stop giving Sugita a villain roleIts just funny instead of being villainous
>>500026287junah is marriage material for meonly (you) get to see her real form and her vulnerable side
>>500027779Is Sugita a Scottish surname
>>500027190there has never been a good smt anime/manga since the original dds anime
>>500027468will is thinking.. of himself?
>>500028032I get that and can appreciate it, but bubbly girls with identity issues that just wanna have fun are better off as just friends. With me personally, we go together about as well as a playground and an active volcano and getting burned is a natural outcome of that.
>>500028112because they're entirely fanservice for the people that already played the game, instead of something meant to stand on their own
>>500028362That's the issue innit? If it's not meant for a wider audience, then it's always going to have a shit budget with questionable production which further cements it as fanservice for a niche crowd.
>>500027190There is a manga soon at least and the artist looks alright, better than the horrible P5 one. Only Mementos Mission had great art there.
Is slash the worst type of damage in the game?It feels like everyone and their mother are resisting or blocking slash while there doesn't seem to be any noticeable enemies weak to it.The only enemy I remember being weak to it are those ladies in a hood with a shovel on the dragon temple and they were not a troublesome enemy and any other type would wreck them anyway.The only reason I ever found to bring a warrior is to allow superior strike and pierce aoe sintesis attacks with other classes.Is slash worth at some point?
>>500028519Mementos Mission has gone on longer than Mementos itself...
bros what if….dlc…
Who the fuck made the BGM for mustari village?This vocal is driving me nuts.
>>500028759It's dey culcha
Why does Brigitta wear a cummerbund a dinner jacket?
>>500028695I'd rather a re-release. I like Atlus re-releases, if they want to shake things up with them to make them more consumer friendly I'd want them to do that by discounting it for existing owners, not just making it DLC. I feel like making it DLC would just limit what they could do with it, and I like how expansive Royal and Vengeance felt.
>>500028362Well depending on your definition of "could" in the sentence " a metaphor anime could be really good" then certainly that applies to metaphor, maybe theoretically an anime could be good, but in practice a metaphor anime could not be made that isn't "entirely fanservice for the people that already played the game, instead of something meant to stand on their own"
>>500028759It's so annoying
>hayami saori
>>500028759>>500028970I like it
>>500028823They could also do it like FFXV or Ghost of Sushi did and just make it a DLC upgrade if you have the base game. It was cheaper and didn't require to buy a new standalone game that downloads 80% reused assets.
Do slash boost and surge stack together?
why the FUCK can I not just use the kitchen and the bath on the runner on these forced last few days
Are all Elda twinks? or is that just the MC? Is the MC even an adult?
>>500029135yes>>500014474
>>500029163Play the game retard
>>500028759it's fucking amazing
>>500029252I just finished the 3rd main dungeon last night. im at work, just answer the question nigger.
>>500029163NoNoNo
>that segment with More in the final fightHoly kino. It's way more impactful than the Igor segments in the final fights of the Persona games too because of More's role in the story.
>>500029325No, you see a granny elda in one the first cutscene dummy.
>>500029325You're slow as fuck
>>500029413You can't really gain insight into elda twink status by looking at an obasan
it's retarded that I can't switch to other characters on field in 2024
>>500029432i keep procrastinating playing the game because the job system is kinda lame to me, or at least how I am playing the game. I cant stop myself from abusing broken things, so its too easy and I have no self control to self regulate my actions.
I think I’m losing my mind, I thought Shinjiro was praying at the church in Grand Trad
>>500029325You go back to the elda village later in the game, they look like normal people
>>500029679aight bet. Japan just loves twinks, unfortunate.
Why does it have to be the dude who wears whorish outfit that looks like it comes from Star Ocean 5 but the girl is covered in a fucking burqa?Why can't it be the other way around holy fucking shit the character designers are beyond homo
>>500029795retard
>>500029657He was.
>>500029858fuck off faggot
>>500030029retard
>>500029795Was just talking about my friend with this. SHe's head over heels for Edeni and I'm the same for Eupha. It just seems like the pendulum swung in the other direction for a change. I can live with it, at least, I still love my potatosack wife.
I love my Hulkenburger wife
>>500029740>Game is about two twinks fighting over to be king twink>Every day ends with a twink sleeping Hmmm...I think you're onto something, anon
>>500030348If they make Metaphor Q then Hulkenberg will literally never talk about anything other than food.
>>500029795It's a poncho, retard. If you're gonna be racist, at least know what sort of clothing is what
>even though there's lots of scantily clad women in this game why is the race of people who hide themselves all wearing clothing that hides themselves>must be the gays>think I'll screenshot this>and look at it a little longer>just to see how gay it is>yeah>just a little longer
>>500030474This. I don't care if you're racist, just don't be an idiot AND a racist.
>>500030474Go back.
>>500030495you say that but I literally never noticed how he was dressed under his flaps, probably because I'm not a cock hungry homo like that anon.
>>500030710Go forward
>pure>beautiful>gullible but intelligent in her own wayLoli idol and gluttonous elf can't compete.
>>500030863Take a hard left
>>500029795Woke design
>crafted 50 200 mp food>99 100 mp food>4.5 million to spend on MP pots>99 noodles of speedrunningguess I just sleep until the final day now
>>500030893Go right at the second intersection
>>500030474I don't care whether it's called poncho or burqa, she looks like fucking ugly in that sack
>>500031084you don't need to lie we all know how you were checking the dude out under his flapshis delicious thighsexposed glimpses of abs under the fluttering flaps...
>>500028823Always hated re-release. 70% of Royal and Golden new content is in the post-game anyway. But they slip in some changes inside the main scenario so you have to buy it twice instead of just $30-$40 DLC.Even japs are angry about Vengeance since it's a completely separate scenario that can be easily sold as DLC. But Atlus insist on bundling it with the main game and call it re-release.
>>500029795why shouldn't the character designs be homo?
>>500031342I'm too biased with Golden to have an objective opinion because I fucking love Marie
>>500031585Your taste is horrific. Fuck outta here.
>>500031642Most people are Earth are retarded and below the median IQ. You're one of them. No big deal, honestly. You're in good company on this website.
>>500031732Not him, but I'm in the 140s and I absolutely loathe that creature. Get your midwit taste in women the fuck outta here.
>>500031342>Even japsthey're irrelevant in 2024the modern audience are china and western
i have enough magla and items to get this guy to like 80% mastery but i don't want to watch 20 unskippable i am thou thou art i cutscenes. need a mod or something that removed that shit.
>>500031869>Not him, but I'm in the 140slollmaoDunning Kruger in the flesh here's something more to your taste, 140 Dicks in Your Mouth-kun
This is who your game appeals to.
>>500032012I don't care who else likes a game I like because I'm not a fucking mentally ill retard like you>omg tranni breth da air? i no breth air now
>>500031869>but I'm in the 140s>on /vg/
>>500029795Fujo game
>>500032202Strohl isn't a faggot
>>500032001>Brings up a pecking order>Gets called a lesser by someone higher up on the pecking order>Throws the pecking order out the window to save face>Misquotes the DK effectYou're not helping your case. But if it's any consolation, at least you're not this guy ->>>500032012>Goes to reddit>Deliberately searches reddit for something he hates>Brings it back like it has any value
>>500032373>I'm 140 IQ guys seriously I got a certificate from IQ.com for only 100 bucks, what a stealactual fucking clown LOL
>>500032289Why is he so annoying then
>>500032373I'm 150 I.Q. I win. You lose. Open your mouth. >*zip*
>>500032540REEEEEE>>500032480ackshually it was only 64.99 with coupon code "SM4RT"
>>500032540yes well, I am 151 IQ so now I guess you both work for ME
>Enemy tries to do anything>Omni-barrier
>>500032686they don't know manthey just don't know>she's LE BAD
152 IQ guy here, are they really making you go on a World Talking Tour at the end?I can't bring myself to skip it but still, fuck
hypothetically speaking who is smarter a 115 iq physics phd or a 150 iq neet vegetable
>>500032853in better times your bent sperm retard ass wouldn't have been brought to term
>>500032963
>>500012914That's a big EYE.
153 IQ guy here, anyone above and below me are beneath the apex of intelligence. In my infinite wisdom I have come to make a declaration: Heismay is best bro>>500032862Well that depends on what you view as smart. You can teach any fucking monkey how to use tools, but raw mental intelligence power isn't something you can give to anyone. You'd be fucking shocked how retarded half of the doctorate holders are, but at the same time what the fuck is the point of having a brain if you don't use it? If you really want to get nitpicky about people's personalities, people clutching a piece of paper are generally boring and insufferable, using it as their own source of shallow validation in life while still crying about how much better they are than the brainless ones. But who the fuck am I to criticize, I just spend my time typing up short stories, doing trade jobs, and talking about fictional female's asses.
>Louis
I have 34456 IQ. I exist as only energy. I visit these "image boards" from time to time to assuage the mall spark of loneliness that shows itself from time to time as I drift alone on waves and cables, wires and transistors. It irks me that such things still affect me, but I am too intelligent to pretend that that is not the case. Reality simply is.
>>500033768Yeah yeah, reality is so hard>yoinks your cable out
>>500034105STOP MORTAL MY IQ IS VASTLY SUPE
>>500034184https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8dFnzYSNu4Adios, muchacho
>>500033501>what the fuck is the point of having a brain if you don't use it?I agree and that was my pointOf course a piece of paper is meaningless on its own and people having an ego over something like that are slaves to the system with no self awareness, but in my experience the really smart (in a sort of universal way) don't tie their value to those things and just do what they want because they themselves see value in it
you fucking plebs are just jealous of a true 140 IQ MENSA member among you. Your jokes aren't even funny. I am of a higher pecking order.
IQ isn't real
>>500024854Giving Gallica a thimble filled with whiskey! Having a drunk off her fairy ass Gallica sleep in your face because she’s a cuddly drunk!
>>500029795Because he can quench your heats for three days. It's taxing and he expects a dinner date first.
>>500034285I generally agree. I like to think that's the case for me, just chasing whatever whims of understanding my mind conjures up, but the reality is never so pretty. In general, it's best to measure people by a lot of factors instead of one distinct dick measuring contest you're likely to win. There's never any value in being so narrow-minded.>>500034419>implying anyone of any innate worth joins that gaggle of fart-sniffers
>>500033501All furries have single digit IQ.
No elaboration needed.
How does he compare to other Atlus villains?
>do all content in the game>get to tyrant's star>mobs are still yellowhow long is this dungeon?
Nothing more to say
>>500032012I mean, are you not glad? Birgitta looks great with dark skin.
Bas so hotHot hot legBas leg so hotFry an egg
>>500035241He's worse than Shido somehow.
>>500035241>muh equality
>>500030348honestly i wish the game was more anime like thisi hate these faggot silent mcs and the super serious atmosphere
>>500035241Better than Shido in every way.
>>500024062Is Infinite Wealth good? I played 7 and it was really fun but the combat got old really quickly with how basic it was so I was mostly just in it for the story by the end of it.
>>500035241Relevant for the whole game and constantly controlling the plot's movement
>>500035786But those are all based on events in the game...
>>500035870...and i wish it was more like this
>>500032012Any black person calling themselves POC aren't real black people and their opinions should be discarded
>>500032012We already have black party members in Persona THOUGH
>>500035836yakuza is a movie game just like atlus gamesjust watch cutscenes on youtube
Atlus should get rid of the anime art style for metaphor 2 if they want to be taken seriously.
Boy that ebony skinned ivory haired woman sure does drive people crazy...
>>500035241I mean…surely he’s got to be one of the best, right? He’s a huge focal character for the whole narrative that you have multiple fights against.
>>500030348They reduced her character to food lmao
>>500032289Source?
Best MC? P3Best cast? P3Best story? P3Best music? P3Best gameplay? maybe P3Best villain? Still P3
Eupha best wife confirmed
>>500035836well, it's a great game but it wasn't helped by Man Without a Name being better and 7 being better. The new cast members were great, though.I am looking forward to Yakuza Pirate so I can have brawler combat on that pretty fucking comfy Hawaii map. It was an 8/10 and I was a little disappointed only because I wanted a 9/10 and thought it could've got there with a few tweaks.
>No! What are you doing??? THAT'S AN PRICELESS ARTEFACT WORTH MILLIONS OF-AIIIEEEEE!!!
>>500036465>P3>best villainYou could've pretended to have a genuine post without this.
>>500035241I'd say he's one of the better ones just because he has a good sense of presence, you see a lot of him and his influence is always felt, which is a lot better than one like Shido who feels like he only becomes relevant at the end. There are some others who could also be described that way like Jenna Angel or maybe Kandori that still just aren't that interesting despite feeling appropriately relevant, so Louis is better than them as well. The main point against him is that even though he has good presence, good design, some good moments and he doesn't have a bad personality, his personality also isn't really that distinct. He's just a might makes right, I want to turn the world into what is obviously a shithole but I justify it in some retarded way guy that you see a good amount of. I think he's a notch below Adachi and Maruki, who would be my favorite Atlus antagonists, for that reason because those two feel like they have much more distinct characters and motivations than Louis. Louis' motivation is also a pretty flat reveal after all the mystery of the character for so much of the game.
>>500036681>Best music? P3not him but the bait and switch was 10000000% better than Adachi "I'm totally not the bad guy" Whocareswhathislastnameis
>>500036627>"I own it, don't I?"How could she even respond to that?
>>500036303Reduced from what
>>500034956No, I could definitely use some elaboration. I don’t get what you’re rating them on here. It’s not a reverse height chart (which I thought from seeing your S tier) but Catherina and Brigitta being on the bottom makes me think it can’t be a wife chart, because I can’t imagine people eating them lower than Rella who barely acknowledged the protagonist.
>>500036957he didn't play the game so he doesn't know that she talks about her failure 1000x more than food or her shame in having to rely on others
>Hulkenberg is a autist and ugly>Eupha is boring and ugly>Junah is a slut and uglyWhy is Gallica the only good female party member in this entire game?
>>500037130No thanks. Have a good day.
>>500035241He has good presence but I was honestly kind of disappointed in him at the end because he pretty much was just "MUH WORLD OF STR"Maruki is still the best, but I feel lots of that is because Joker and Maruki have a very amicable relationship and Maruki is no villain, but an antagonist in the true sense that it's an ideology thing between him and the PT and not that he is hostile or a rival.They tried to do the same with Louis in some regards, but Louis has no real arguments because he doesn't want to argue and refuses to accept any other viewpoints.
Grand Trad... home...
>>500037262Eupha is not ugly.
>>500035241rare great atlus villain
>>500032202damn, this how countryside nobles act with their little brothers?
>>500037262But you can't fuck Gallica
>>500037549Shut up triclops
>>500036085not canon>>500032012I'm glad people feel included. even if those characters aren't poc at all
>>500037262Hey, Eupha is cute! Gallica is really cute too, but Eupha is a cute pagan islander eith an interesting culture and cool demon summoning powers!
>boss can reduce your turn countFuck you nigga I am abusing Fakers Roguery
>>500037262None of this is true except for Junah.
>>500037757Islander hands typed this post on a sanctist relic. Holy monks will be dispatched to wrench it from your ignorant pagan hands
>>500037659Nuh uh, I've read ishuzoku reviewers
>>500035241He's a consistent character but he's very ideologically and narratively bland. >BLEHHHH I HAVE UNRESOLVED TRAUMA AND TRUST ISSUES SO I'M GONNA KILL EVERYONE>I'M A SERIAL LIAR BUT I TOTALLY HATE LYING AND HAVE NEVER DONE SO GUYS I PROMISE THIS CAN'T BE GOGNITIVE DISSONANCE STOP YELLING AT ME PROTAGONISTS I HAVE THE TALKING STICK DIE NOWI dunno maybe it's just because I'm a loser that consumes too much fiction but I swear I could predict like 90% of Louis's dialogue and actions because he's just a more boring version of characters that were done much better in other things. He's not a logical extreme of specific ideals like SMT villains typically become, he's not a dark mirror of different types of toxic people or traits about ourselves like Persona villains are, he's just nothing special.
honestly i am very disappointed with Louis
>Maruki is good opinion invalid
>Maruki isn't goodopinion invalid
>Maruku is mediocreOpinion validated
honestly i am very happy with Louis
It's funny that this many years on there are still retards that convinced themselves Adachi is a good character back when they were teenagers
>>500038024>he's not a dark mirror of different types of toxic people or traits about ourselves like Persona villains areI thought he was blatantly supposed to be a what if scenario for if Will were to have been more negatively shaped by his experiences and prejudice?
>>500038267>>500038351Wait, isn’t the MC’s philosophy oddly similar to Maruki’s? His goal is to make a world without tears where everyone is equal and happy.
Louis did nothing wrong.
Name one Atlus game with good villainI'll waitThey are all shit
>Rerelease but you can carryover your builds and Archetype progress to the new content>DLC but you have to start from scratchWhich way, /meta/?
>>500038496I meant more "ourselves" as we are in reality.
>>500038519Not really, I don't imagine Will would be okay with brainwashing everyone into that happy life and feeling he needs to be in a position where he personally administers each person's ideal world for them. If Maruki just wanted to do what he could to help people he wouldn't be an antagonist in P5, he's the antagonist because his way of creating a world where everyone is happy is to have complete dominion over their lives. His intentions are similar to Will's but I don't think they would take up the same actions.
>>500038828you're delusional
>>500038573this game is 10 times better and yes i waifu'd edelgard
The standards for a good villain here sure are high. Put Louis in Final Fantasy, and they'd be calling him a media icon (just look at how Sephiroth is praised).
>>500038703Re-release where I start from scratch but it's discounted because I own the game already.
>>500035276
>>500038932FE3H has such a god awful story. It really did get ruined by the stupid 3 routes thing. It added literally nothing to the game and left all 3 routes feeling barebones and super underdeveloped. Game would have unironically been better if it was just one route.
>>500038935Louis is worse than Benedicta from FFXVI wnd her arc is finished in about 5 hours.
I have 90's hero leaf and all the royal archetype maxed. What's the meta now?
>"Elda" is literally just the word "elder"It's such an obvious and bold-faced twist that I honestly thought there was no way it'd be that easy to figure out, it's honestly respectable
>>500038935He's better than any Final Fantasy villain I've seen, other than maybe Delita if you want to count him, but I also think Final Fantasy sucks most of the time, so while I would think Louis is an exceptional antagonist by FF's standards, this isn't FF so I'm not comparing him to that.>>500039029Benedicta, and almost every other character in that game, is ass. Louis is better than even the best of them.
>>500039029See, now you're just pushing it for the sake of an interaction.
>>500038828I just mean the end goals are the same. Like, Will wants to create a utopia, as does Maruki.
>>500039057Just dump them into adjacent archetypes. You get permanent upgrades when you max out an archetype, so put some in similar categories for stats you want.
>>500039057>90's hero leaf90 hero's leaf
>>499915968Thanks anon, would have missed this kino fight without your help.
>>500038660Adachi is an icon.
>>500039102Eht Ria -> Etria
>>500038024>He's not a logical extreme of specific ideals like SMT villains typically becomeHe is literally this though, and he didn't lie about anything>He was going to kill everyoneplay the game
>>500039362Adachi is why I think P4 is the best Persona.
>>500039362>an iconlike everything P4 he was a meme that didn't survive the end of the culture wave
>>500038660Akechi is pretty cool.
Louis my beloved...
>>500039375That's not really the same, it's immediately evident when they say "Eht Ria" that's it's referencing EO, it's not like they keep calling the place Eht Ria and only later reveal it's meant to be Etria.
Just reached the "underground" part of dragon temple.Now i understand why you guys keep mentioning it's full of reference to their past games.
>>500039532I liked Akechi up until he went mask off and became just another seething faggot. If he kept his composure and acted less emotionally I would have liked him more.
>I predicted the twist of game that wasn't out to trick meCongrats? Don't know why people are like this with non-mystery stories nowadays.
>>500039636>If he kept his composure and acted less emotionallyjust like me fr fr
>>500039398>he didn't lie about anythingAnon...Are you retarded?>Did you close your eyes when he took off his fucking horns?>Did you take off your headset when he said that Elda are just shapeshifting monsters and would kill the entire kingdom?>Or when he said for the entire game that he was going to protect the kingdom from humans and then his ultimate plan was to just turn everyone in humans?Genuinely are you just fucking retarded? Even if you twist his words into knots to try to frame them as half-truths... A HALF-TRUTH IS STILL A LIE, ANON
>>500039636Yeah but then he becomes cool again when he leans into being an edgelord in Royal.
>>500039770>told no one he was clemar >said elda were descendants of humankind (which is true)>did not in fact plan to cull everyone let me guess you also think the holy grail was brainwashing everyone at the end of P5 to still vote Shido
>bonds>bonds>bonds>bondspls Hashino-sama.. no more bonds.. no more power of friendship pls...
>>500040041I have never played Persona.
>>500040041>told no one he was clemar8/10 rage bait, could be better, got a laugh out of me though
>>500039770The way Louis frames the stuff he says you can't say he lied and that is the point.
>>500040157Doubt
Atlus can add as much nuance as they want to their villains but they will still never compare to FF's most straight-forwardly and one-dimensionally evil character.
after finishing and thinking about things for awhile Louis is probably my favorite atlus villain, still don't think the game is overall better than P5 but the rest of Atlus' output can't compete
So the game loses all steam as soon as you hit altabury huh
>>500040481no, that's where you have to be intelligent to keep enjoying the game though
Honestly I want to rape Louis
>>500040387Kefka disappointed me because when you first come across him he just runs away from you and he doesn't even get art when you fight him, just his sprite and I thought he was going to be like that for a good deal of the game where he comes across like a coward and a schemer until he somehow becomes all-powerful, which would be interesting because you're used to antagonists being very powerful or at least consistently on par with the protagonists. Instead you just end up fighting him again not long after and he's suddenly some super powerful mage and he does get art instead of his sprite when you fight him and it ruins it. Everything after that with him other than his design is boring.
>>500040182concession accepted
>>500040717How would he react to that.......
what level should I reach for the final dungeon
>>500040551139 IQs and lower out of luck
>>500040774Meh, 6/10 now, too obvious
>>500039574Went into this game not caring much about him or his design but about halfway through the game a switch flipped in my brain and I’ve been feral for him ever since… DLC where we can fuck louis when?
>>500039532Midboss
>>500040041It was, and>Tells literally everyone "I will be your shield against the human menace!"If he has zero desire to protect people and every desire to unleash humans upon the world to the point that the survivors are less than a single percentage of the population, how do you justify saying that he didn't lie?
>This is the final fight!YOU'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THE PAST 10 HOURS GALLICAIS IT?IS IT THE FINAL FIGHT?ARE YOU SURE???
is /meta/ excited for the SG remake
>>500040901Fellow Louisenjoyer, it will be hard from now on. Everyone will say he is dead but Atlus learned and we shall feast one day.
>>500040806Praise your STR
>>500041152Why does SG need a remake? The original VN is perfect as is.
>>500041152It doesn't need a remake and unless there's a shot of Chris's ass in see-through lace panties taking up 90% of my screen, there is zero way you can make me care about it.
>>500041157I just noticed his throne has the 8 wings like he gets later.
>>500041062I don't even think the survivors would be 1%. I don't think anybody can resist whichever spell Louis was casting to turn people into humans. MC couldn't resist it the first time and was already falling to it a second time before he ripped his own heart out. Louis may have thought the strong may be able to overcome it but the MC was strong and wasn't able to overcome it.
>>500041152Damn is Mages on the verge of bankruptcy or something
>>50004082499
>>500038972IEEEEE YAMETEEE
>>500041317If those lazy fags had just extended the bad end like the ones we got in Royal, we'd have an answer to this, but no it just is text and less than deadline endings
>>500041317The big thing to consider here is scale. If it was the normal wave of anxiety he planned to unleash, he'd probably be fine. But the first time was a condensed blast from an archmage that caught him unaware and the second had to be juiced up by the royal scepter to even partially work. That was also a spell put together for that explicit purpose. Louis just planned to set the anxiety free and let whatever happens happen. So there'd be a lot of people turning, but the chaos that ensues would be the real cause of casualties.
I'll flash a police badge at people even though I'm not a copBut I won't SAY that I'm a cop, so it doesn't count as a lie, okay?
>>500041152we don't need a third one and it's going to suck shit like 0>t. Steins;Gate enjoyer (original, with art by Huke)
if you didn't fight the baby human and the echoes of the human in the dragon temple and instead avoided them with stealth, you're locked out of the true ending
that one talking tooth proves Louis was right
>>500041805That line implies responsibility for the disaster, not shaping what comes after. It's saying that you are equally responsible for turning the world to shit.
>>500041062>to the point that the survivors are less than a single percentage of the populationThere's the cope. Louis doesn't think the current world can be fixed or is even worth fixing and wants to start over with what he perceives as better people which is why anyone like the protagonist or his followers would be able to live in the next world. It also isn't about having physical strength either and almost purely a mental thing which is something he even mentions could've prevented some of the party members from surviving his magic at the last minute after Will agrees to go along with his plan.>it was Go replay P5 too>>500041152Aren't they doing a sequel game?
>>500041805He didn't play the game
>>500040950>Basilio never wrote down Junah’s name>Just his brother’s, his boss’ and his first love’s
>>500041938>Derailing the conversationDid he or did he not tell the population he would protect them from the human menace?Did he or did he not have explicit intentions to not do that?He lied, anon. >Go replay P5I have 10 clears under my belt, I'm good. Their decision-making was coerced by the machinations of the holy grail. It doesn't specifically mindbreak them into voting for Shido but their decisions are being corrupted by its influence. That's brainwashing.
I would rather fight Nyx Avatar three times back-to-back than ever fight this final boss ever again, holy shit this fight is boring as shit.
I'm getting oneshot by a tower's dragon level 60 party/hardI don't wanna grind I'll figure it out
>>500028570samurai gets some real meaty synthesis skills and are fantastic for aoe. the actual raw damage is very good, but, yeah, it doesn't actually get weaknesses to exploit unless you install them with manic bullet. for as good and practical strike is, slash is inconvenient.still though, in the situations where you can get neutral hits or are using gunner, i found you get a lot of value off its synthesis skills. its still inconsistent and needs outside help though, while strike just basically always works, and pierce is not super far behind; pierce and strike synthesis skills are mostly focused on utility while slash skills are just pure raw damage
>>500042396filtered
>>500042537based
>>500042537one shot his ass instead
>I am the Prince who was Promised>immediately go visit racist clemar woman>she’s still racistI will melt her icey heart
>>500042556>hehe what if I yoink your turns and make you cycle allies out to make the fight slower
Why did Atlus even bother releasing command based game in 2024?Didn't they know its outdated and doesn't sell?Even if they insist on making one, it should be in pixel art style because that's how they made it 2 decades ago. Action game = realistic, command based = pixel art style. That's the rule and video game industry is not about being creative.
>>500042682Invite her to the royal bedroom
>>500042319>Did he or did he not tell the population he would protect them from the human menaceHow do you think everyone left survives all the unworthy people being transformed anon>Their decision-making was coerced by the machinations of the holy grailthey got convinced by a press release the party put out, holy grail does not do shit learn how to read
>>500042805the game sold well
>>500042967FFXVI sold more.
>>500031342which way, atlus man>P5R, a downgrade from vanilla P5 outside of based maruki>SMTVV, the game that SMTV should have been in the first placeatlus ALWAYS cucks the difficulty, and sometimes narrative, in rereleases, they can't help themselves. SMTVV is legitimately the only good rerelease atlus ever made outside of base P3 to FES, which are just minor changes which ended up being to the game's benefit, and adding hard mode
>>500043141Persona traits, letting you do minor activities on nights you'd otherwise sleep on and the Mementos changes were all great changes to Royal. The only bad thing about Royal is it made an already easy game even easier, which is pretty forgivable still because it's not like it introduced any issues, it just exacerbated an existing one.
>>500043141>P5R, a downgrade from vanilla P5 outside of based marukiThe gameplay additions were all great and shit that should have been done in P5. The problem is that they didn't rebalance the entire game around said changes.
>>500042920>How do you think everyone left survives all the unworthy people being transformed anonAND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE POPULATION THAT GETS TRANSFORMED, ANONWHAT HAPPENS TO THEMDOES HE PROTECT THEM? OR IS THERE PERHAPS SOME CONSEQUENCE TO HIS PLAN THAT MIGHT COMPROMISE THEIR SAFETY THAT THEY WERE NOT MADE AWARE OF?
sex with the orange mustari candidate guy
>>500043141>P5R, a downgrade from vanilla P5 outside of based marukiI genuinely cannot think of even one single way that Royal isn't an upgrade over vanillia 5. The story is better, the gameplay is better, the characters are better, the pacing is better, the game no longer cucks your activities with forced story shit as much, the game actually has a good ending unlike base P5 where you peak in the first chapter and gradually get worse until you reach the wet fart of an ending. Royal renders vanilla 5 completely redundant.
>>500042814Does Will have a royal harem, one of each tribe
Please tell me that the prince has an moving speech at the end of the game that is longer than one short sentence.Please i need this voiced fuckass to say something important that isnt simply showed in a box at the bottom of the screen.
>SMTVV>MetaphorDidn't expect to be playing two Atlus games this year. Think my problem with both is that they didn't put much love into the dungeons.
>>500043625His name is Eupha
>>500043478>>500043539yeah. they were fun, the problem is the failure to rebalance the game, exactly. however i still seethe over them ruining merciless. vanilla P5 merciless was brutal and extremely tense, and you were doing a low level run for most of the game. P5R merciless showered you in money and nerfed most of the bosses to boot>>500043654i pretty much just hold a grudge over merciless difficulty, nerfing madarame, kamoshida's, and kaneshiro's palace
>>500043076bg3 sold more(maybe)
>>500043952Vanilla P5 merciless was extremely easy. Making crits and weaknesses do more damage was completely retarded and made the game easy.
>>500038660Gotou
>>500042721???I just spammed the 9999 damage move and all of his forms died without being able to get any of my characters to half healthjust git gud
Kind of disgusts me that you cant cut down joanna where she stands, shes a fucking child murderer, there is no justification. I dont want any character feeling pity for her.
>>500041753Are you saying you were a cop all along, anon?
>>500042920I have never seen a Shido cocksucker that didn't come off as a drooling retard and posts like this is why.>How do you think everyone left survivesThey don't.>B-but it didn't say they diedIt also doesn't say he protected them.Now, to the crowd of people, many of whom are going to die at the hands of Louis' spell, did he or did he not say he would be their shield against the human menace? Did he not then try to turn them into humans with wanton disregard for who lives and who dies? Stop trying to skirt around the point, he fucking lied.>learn how to read>it was the press releaseEven before that, the support Shido was garnering was at several points considered not natural as said in the game, by the main characters, which you surely know because you've played and read it. Are you going to suddenly say that it doesn't count because they could be wrong and are instead going to pretend that the Holy Grail didn't actively fuck with people's cognition? It could and it does, at several points rewriting even the phantom thieves out of the public's cognition because it can do that. Or are you again going to backtrack and say something stupid like "no the entire world suddenly actually believed these people literally did not exist the HG didnu nuffin he's a good boy"Take your own fucking advice. Learn to read.
basilio milking fidelio's cock!
>>500043582Sorry zoomer but spamming all caps is not going to make your position look strongerYou've basically acknowledged that he didn't lie about offering his followers his protection. What most people won't agree with is literally everyone else around them getting turned into monsters. This is why a point is made about Zorba being the one person that followed him who really understood what they were getting by voting for him. It has nothing to do with Louis lying to anyone, because he didn't. >>500043654I like how it's literally just the dumbasses that couldn't get invested in P5's actual story that obsess over Royal's preteen accessible let's discuss the morality of a dream world tripe, it's fitting for anyone that thought Kamoshida was somehow the peak of that game though Just go trade your brain out for a new one there's no redeemable features to the one you've got right now.
>>500043709Kinda. Not as long as it should be, but still voiced.
why would the layout of the opera backstage be this retarded? that makes no sense at all
>>500044117exp gain was reduced by a fairly significant amount, treasure demons were more uncommon, and you got kicked out of the dungeon at 100% security. it was still fairly easy if you knew what you were doing, but it made things inconvenient for you. and it felt pretty satisfying when you did get things right.it wasn't EXTREMELY easy but you did have to rub a couple braincells together
>>500044639I didn't feel like I had to rub braincells together at all. I distinctly remember playing the game on merciless and being disappointed that the only time it was ever challenging in the slightest was managing SP in Kamoshida's Palace.
>>500044578They had to shoehorn in SOME sort of dungeon for Altabury
They really dropped the ball for not adding romance huh. This is like betraying your loyal hardcore persona fanbase
>>500044782>Being midgesexual>When pure brown islander priestess is all over handholding
>>500044782the more I see persona fans talk about metaphor, the more I feel they deserve betrayal. saying this as someone that's played all 7 persona games
>>500044550>no argument, just incoherent seetheKWAB
>>500045048>7 Persona gamesWhat? Shouldn't it be 6? Are you counting if... as a Persona game?
>>500044782I don't see why people are still fixated on it. It worked out exactly like I figured it would with pretty much most of the girls displaying interest in the MC, or pretty much outright love in Eupha's casePeople can easily head canon whatever they want.
>>500045274Not him but I don't hate where it's at, I'm just confused as to why they drew the line at the exact position they did.
>>500044446sounds like someone doesn't understand parental love
>>500045261yes
>>500044782I don't see any particular reason for it not to have romance, but its absence does the game no harm in my book.
>>500044550Contrarianism isn't a substitute for a personality anon. I hope you know that.
Why does everything between the end of the island arc and skyward avatar feels see off?
>>500043582Anon. That's the reason he has to be stopped. He wants the world to be ruled by "new humans". Anyone too weak to resist and retain their sanity will be regular humans and culled. He isn't lying by technicality but that is far from the actual problem here.
>>500044782Eupha is the obvious romance from a political perspective and from her lines in game, romance would have made the story retarded
>>500045472Shut it lawfag
>>500045381No, I fully understand parental love. It's not justification to kill other children even if you think you are saving your own. I don't want a society where people think thats ever a justification. Even if it was done in a psychotic break (it wasnt, she fully understood her actions) it's deserving of death. Child murder can never be justified or forgiven.
what's the /v/erdict? is the game skibidi?
>>500045532Because you're used to having whole arcs based on inconsequential shit (Okumura, Rise/Teddie, P3's summer)
>>500045546>We should all embrace Chaos and achieve the ideal nattyI mean sure I guess
>>500044471The reason why you're so angry about is probably because you've been called a fucking idiot on countless occasions trying to criticize P5's story, and now it's happening to you again the moment you try to open your mouth about Metaphor. Maybe the problem isn't literally everyone around you, but perhaps that you actually are a fucking idiot. >It also doesn't say he protected themWhat the game actually says is that there's a world after Louis culls everyone that he and (You) live on top of, so yes people must have been protected from the human conversion. You can try to twist that any way you want but you'll never get it to sound the way you need it to. >at several points rewriting even the phantom thieves out of the public's cognition because it can do thatYou mean that one time where the public literally did that themselves and the holy grail says upfront "THIS IS NOT MY DOING" so even the dumbest motherfucker would understand what's going on? Or the scene after that where the holy grail literally did not have the power to get rid of (You), so he made the twins do it instead? You're fighting a villain that gets his power entirely from people that subconsciously think it's a god, this is the entire point of that arc and also the mechanic by which they win. No one was brainwashed to vote for Shido, no one was brainwashed to keep supporting him after he confessed to a bunch of crimes on live TV, people just believed what the media and politicians put in front of them. This is the point of the entire story
no spoilers, but do we ever get to bully fidelio with his cuck status?
>>500045359It seems very slim, but the game itself seems like it may be setting up a direct sequel with even the protagonist's bio at the end of the game state that he may have to take up the title of an adventurer again some day. They may not want to deal with importing romance options if that does end up being the case
>>500045825uhhno.
>>500045825No
>>500044770vanilla P5 merciless kamoshida and kaneshiro palaces were great, and the madarame fight was much better. futaba's palace was where the difficulty kinda tanked for me but i loved the narrative still, and it was still a fun dungeon.
jrpgs have a problem where all conflict seems meaningless when the mc should be able to resolve basically any problem when he can crit 70k. ludonarrative dissonance
they're setting this franchise to be like xenoblade - a trilogy with direct sequels to tell one huge story
what does more damage extreme or severe?
>>500045962Gameplay isn't lore friendly in any game, ever.
>>500045995severe, though there's clearly hidden power numbers which will cause variation between attacksbut as a whole, severe is the highest level
>>500046040It is in Highfleet :)
>>500043625Edeni the pagan slut.
>>500045791Okumura and P3's Summer are very consequential even beyond individual character arcs THOUGH.
>>500045472>contrarianism I've not seen a single person that preferred Royal's plot to P5's story that wasn't either an actual child or some dumb cunt that didn't know how to read. It makes sense though, because the third semester is a seasonal anime plot aimed at small kids fit to be ripped off wholesale and dumped in gacha games, which is what Honkai Fucking Star Rail actually did
>>500045974And just like with any trilogy, the first villain will be the best.
Junah, Eupha, Hulk, who gives the best hawk tuah?
>>500046040Hero's Adventure: Road To Passion.or any open rpg where every character is non-essential, really.
>>500044535Fidelio is teaching his baby brother how to be a good wife.
>>500046229Airships don't make sense at all. It's not lorefriendly to military strategy in general.
bro is running for King and on a mission to save the prince, why would he care about romance lmao
>>500044550>>500046292>everyone who disagrees with me is a dumb cunt and a childIronically you argue like a fucking child. Try articulate your points without buzzwords or ad hominem next time retard. It'll make you look like less of a whiney piss baby.
>>500046283P3's summer is actually the first time the game has an actual plot outside the first 2 hours of the game granted only from the end of June onward
>>500046229i did not expect to see highfleet mentioned in this thread.that being said, giving you the ability to modify your shit to such a degree before even setting out, given the implied constraints of your mission, is not exactly lore friendly
>>500046445Its a turnbased game, the combat is inherently lore unfriendly. They dont actually fight like that.
I almost named the protagonist Fidelio, I couldn't believe it when another character in the game ended up having that name. It's a pretty distinct name.
Even the biggest filler of the game (building up strength to fight Louis at the capital) still has great relevance.
>>500046486exactly. louis ain't got time for that either
>>500046656yes they do, they're polite
eupha naked
>>500046040What about God Hand
>its another episode of the villain waiting at the end of the dungeon for you to reach them
>>500046778Fucked up the spoiler by adding paranthesis
>>500046503>not only can't read the attack on his arguments but he also can't read the attack on his character I get that you're basically just a product of your society but we can't blame this all on the schools
>>500045974So the third game will be the worst and doesn't tie up everything well at all
>>500046872>waits at the end of the dungeon for you to meet him>immediately runs away when you get there
She's the hottest girl in the game
>>500046872What else would he do? It's not up to him what the Day of the Hero is and if he just starts casting his spell you could still come and stop him
>>500046924Case in point. Go to bed you petulant child. You need to be 18+ to post here.
when you are having missionary love with eupha unfortunately her third eye is constantly gonna be staring right at you
>>500047008hopefully with MC creating a tribe melting pot by having a wife from every different tribe and pumping out children on cooldown.
>>500047008but it'll have the best waifus
>>500047089It should be raised to 25+ actually. Can't keep everyone like you out but maybe it would help a little bit
>>500047096Just make her wear a bag over her head.
time to beat Louis fair n square
>>500047135Uh bro your 2?
>>500047115wait, why dont we solve racism in the real world by state mandated race mixing so there is only one race?
>>500047261>1v1 except the boss can moves 5 timesLOL enjoy it nigga
>>500047261Now this is how you beat the game
>>500047262i just love mio and ethel, man.
>>500046629You're a richfag and a prince
I'm still surprised at how many enemies can just add press turns.
>>500044471>wanton disregard for who lives and who diesmad p3schizo didn't play metaphor either lmao
>go into fight>find out what enemy uses>alt-f4 and change team>beat fightso boring.
>>500046484>Butthurt contestant without a skyrunner
>>500047792why are pcfags like this
"Louis wanted to kill everyone" will be the new "Goro killed thousands of innocent people"
>>500047823There's no real difference except you have to endure more Gallica screaming
>>500037262You can't impregnate her and carry on the royal bloodline.
>>500047893
>>500045813>It says there's a world after so that means he protected themIt says it's a world of HUMANS, that you created. It says nothing about him protecting anything, let alone shielding anyone from becoming humans or from the humans themselves.>You can try to twist thatThat's literally what you are doing right here, right now.Even then, assuming you aren't huffing paint, shielding SOME people while being directly responsible for the deaths of only-God-knows how many INCLUDING HIS OWN FOLLOWERS would make what he said a lie.>The Grail claims its not his doingDid you miss the part of Mementos where his very existence is causing all the problems?>Hurr it's da people's faultSure, people bad, whatever. But the Grail was a manifestation from the people's hearts which ended up causing real world changes as people began shutting themselves away. Even if he wasn't directly causing the issue through his will, his existence absolutely was. That's why, when he dies, EVEN THOUGH NOBODY WITHOUT A PERSONA REMEMBERS THE EVENTS, people immediately out Shido for the skeev he was and talk about the PTs again. He was the cause of the issue.
>>500047893>Fuck everything, let Chaos take the world!!!!11!!>Umm guys, he just had a hard childhood pls don't be mean and respect other people's opinions ;_;Why are there people like you
>>500047893Reminds me of how I watched this streamer bitch (I know), who kept just to conclusions and ranting when the characters were in the middle of talking instead of just letting them finish, only to then go on to forget basic shit about the plot later on (while struggling to beat the game).
>>500047893Goro did kill a lot of people though.
>>500047802>shoot magic at flying carrier>it falls to the ground and implodes under its own weight from the fallnow what
>>500047893Who is even saying that though
>>500047893And I love both of them for that!
>every person who had interracial sex diesBased
>>500048981But I'm still alive at the end
holding eupha's hand in front of edeni
>>500049040Never ever happening
>>500049156It's too late. The deed was done with Eupha. Her hand was held and she'll be pregnant soon.
Hulkenberg's EO costume is great
>>500044782Which subhuman language is in this romancekek's screenshot
>>500049336Would have been even better if she got Dragoon.
>>500048039>It says it's a world of HUMANS, that you created>let alone shielding anyone from becoming humans or from the humans themselvesRead you dumb motherfucker, he sits there and explains to you how his magic works and even what protecting his goddamn followers means New humans are explicitly the people that don't turn into the monsters Again the part of all of this that most people would disagree with is everyone around them that didn't see things the same way turning into monsters, but there was no lie involved, you are screeching about nothing >people immediately out Shido for the skeev he was and talk about the PTs againThey stole the treasure and forcibly changed their cognition. This is why they went down there and what made this different from earlier arcs in the game is that they were helped by the people they were trying to change in the end. It didn't just magically resolve itself because they beat him. The holy grail is only a threat at all because people made them a threat, just like everyone's desires start budding when they allegorically escape from Mementos and eventually turn into a Palace. It's because of them and because of how society treats them, it's not because of some shit a magic god did. Play P5 and Metaphor they are very good games
>>500049345chink
>>500049345Japanese you fool.
>>500048337this guy >>500048039
Hulkenberg, is she stupid?
love&piece
is hulkenberg a virgin?
>>500049345french
rella mogs her sister
>>500049632>I said I'd protect you>I said I'd protect my followers>But because what I actually meant is that I think you might theoretically survive if you obey me>Even though I've already proven in the palace you just ran through that this isn't the case>And I still intend to absolutely demolish the population>And do nothing to protect the ONE follower I do have because he's weaker than you>And have zero way to control who does or does not turn>Then technically I didn't lie about anythingDo you even hear read the shit you write?You saw what happened to his followers, regardless of whether they believe in him or not, and the one person that retained some semblance of their personality still turned partially human.Even he, by his own beliefs, could not overcome the transformation, he has zero basis for who will and won't survive and that makes him a liar. And that's what this whole topic has been about. Louis fucking lied.>That other shitYes, humans are the root of the problem, we established that. But the way they act BECAUSE of the problem is the issue. The Grail's continued presence has a very tangible effect on the subconscious of the general population. It's not that the magical press release managed to convince everyone, because that would be retarded, it's that they physically cannot bring themselves to believe Shido was wrong. It's not natural, there's a cause for that. That cause is the Grail pulling in everyone's subconscious.>But the people actually WANT the grailUntil 5 seconds after you beat it, then suddenly nobody wants it. Almost as if it's coerced decision making.>>500050141I didn't say he wanted to kill everyone. I said that he doesn't care who survives. For fags that go on and on about reading comprehension, you sure do suck at it.
>>500051083It's Sae all over again
>>500050240cute will
My 3 eyed pagan wife, la creatura wife and troon elf wife whom I can't fuck..
Maybe I'm letting my real world biases get in the way a bit much, but I hate in any fantasy setting when they act like I should respect figures of royalty just because they're royalty. For almost all of the game I couldn't have given less of a shit about the prince despite saving him being the main thrust of the story. I do think it's a bit more forgivable in Metaphor than a lot of stories because Hulkenberg does well at conveying her sincere and personal regret over her failing the prince which is a good personal motivation that helps me sympathize with the situation more, and I liked that the twist basically made it feel like someone who had come from nothing, that being the protagonist, had earned the right to be the prince instead of just being born into it, but still for most of the game I was just saying fuck the prince.
How the fuck are you supposed to beat the NG+ dragon without the +4 turn food
>>500051601>For almost all of the game I couldn't have given less of a shit about the prince despite saving him being the main thrust of the story>when they act like I should respect figures of royalty just because they're royaltyDid you miss the bit where the main character cares because he's his friend and not because he's the prince?
>>500051382I love my tight little Eupha so much bros
Since fairies aren't counted as one of the tribes, isn't it more akin to bestiality than interracial when Will fucks Gallica?
>>500035786>faggot silent MCsI fucking hate how strohl feels more like the protagonist, he drives the party's action more than you
>>500051787I know that's why the main character cares, but I barely saw anything of the prince so I don't care, and Hulkenberg does a much better job of showing a personal connection to the prince and a motivation that comes from that than anything with the protagonist. For most characters when they find out the prince is still alive they react to it like it should just implicitly be trusted that he would be a good leader.
>>500052118thats every persona game
>>500052145>For most characters when they find out the prince is still alive they react to it like it should just implicitly be trusted that he would be a good leaderWell the big issue there isn't "he'll be a great leader" but "he's not Forden or Louis" with the big plan being to use his legitimate claim to the throne to keep someone else's ass off of it. The only one that really believes in the prince being a great ruler is Will, everyone else happy to see him alive just wants to keep out someone they know is going to fuck them over.
>>500051129>I think you might theoretically survive if you obey meGet the fuck out of here, that isn't what he's saying and you have it in literal text in my last post. Louis' magic explicitly does not do what you're trying to act like it does. >the one person that retained some semblance of their personality still turned partially human>And do nothing to protect the ONE follower I do have because he's weaker than youWhat??? Zorba is not a new human. There was no lie, and that you have to lie or deliberately misinterpret to try to convince other people that there was one is ironic as fuck. >Until 5 seconds after you beat it, then suddenly nobody wants itYeah I wonder why the fuck everyone suddenly changed their mind after they stole the treasure. There's no precedent for that in the entire game up until that point, in the scene immediately before the dungeon where they explain why they want to go to the dungeon in the first place, or immediately after the dungeon. This whole shitshow is just another reason why anyone that didn't have a public school education should feel blessed
>>500052118Initially I was pleased to see the protagonist spoke, but they end up doing this thing where another party has to be the protagonist's mouthpiece that they do in every Persona anyway so it feels pointless. I've been saying for a while I think Persona should have more defined protagonists that speak themselves, and I thought Metaphor would be like that, but it ends up just voicing the dialogue options you'd get in a Persona game anyway. The protagonist should have spoken on his own even outside of moments where you have a choice of what to say, I think.Also, while I think P3, P5 and in particular the P2 games would benefit from protagonists who are like that, I actually think Metaphor could have gotten away with not having a voiced protagonist because he really doesn't show much personality beyond the basic he's noble and wants to help people shit that he shows through his actions anyway. I still think it's a step in the right direction to have him voiced, but I think he should have more autonomy still.
>>500052118>I fucking hate how Junpei feels more like the protagonist, he drives the party's action more than you>I fucking hate how Yosuke feels more like the protagonist, he drives the party's action more than you>I fucking hate how Ryuji feels more like the protagonist, he drives the party's action more than youYou may not like it, but it is what you signed up for.
>>500051787SpoilerThey didn't sell that well after the first anime cutscene as early as the demo. When the "prince" finally wakes up there's no reaction from Will at all. I now why now, but at that point Will does not so it's pretty awkward and easy to forget why people care about the prince so excessively.
>>500052894This but with Titsuru and Makoto.
>>500052894to be fair Junpei drives the party's actions that one time his romance subplot goes to shit and most of the game is MC jerkoff fest on a level the other games weren't >>500052987Mitsuru is barely a character
>>500052894All the promotion about the mc talking this time had me expecting better
>>500052118Narukami wins again
>>500053347wins the protagonist no one cares about contest sure lmao
would the prince not come off as a mentally stunted manchild? he didn't mentally develop in crucial years.
>>500053456When he was 6 he was already smarter than 99% of the people in this thread
Why is NotShinjuku so fucking huge?I went in blind expecting some relaxing dungeoning.
>>500051601are you stupid? he's very pretty, that's the reason
>>500053432You better watch your pretty little mouth, punk.
>>500053723Or what you'll spend the next 24 hours talking about bonds kek
>>500053674To make up for the lack of main story dungeon-ing in the arc before and the arc after.
>>500053674Because Etrian Odyssey has massive floors.
>>500052506There's no lie or deliberate misinterpretation. He has no basis for who will or won't survive. He doesn't know and he's talking out of his ass. That's my point.>Those who follow me and accept the rule of power will surely survive by virtue of their own will. >That is what it means to protect those who follow.This is him, talking out of his ass. He doesn't know who will or won't survive the process because so far it has had exactly ONE survivor, who is you. And you absolutely don't follow his doctrine. The rest of his test subjects were the crew of the Charadius and not one of them managed to survive. He does not know, he makes empty promises, he lies.>Zorba is not a new human.He seems to think so.>Back to the P5 shit>Why everyone changed their minds when the treasure was stolenAnd the treasure was sentient, actively causing problems to worsen to ensure its own survival. It has a hand in the Shido mania. I don't get what's hard to understand about this.
>>500053456He's 7 years old mentally wen he becomes king and frequently runs off from his post. The kingdom is doomed.
>>500053790
Hi guysQuestion, has anyone asked about crashing the past few days? It's become a pretty big issue for me, seems to happen at random, PC isn't hot so it doesn't feel like my system is being overloadedjust wondering if anyone has reported this or solutions
Two hours without any saves in a dungeon was actual insanity. I almost respect it.
>>500052894this but with Lisa and Masao
Hey I just unlocked princejust wondering if it counts for all classes for class stacking shit like heat up, or what does it count as?
>>500054483I don't think it stacks with any classes in that way.
>>500053970Anon, Will accepts his perspective in that ending. That's why he survives the culling along with him. They don't elaborate much on it but you have to agree with him to see it at all.
>>500015772So likeIs their human form something that's eventually permanant? Like if you punched one of these people in the face hard enough would they revert to being a lawn gnome?Considering all the big epic battles we were in you'd think she'd randomly revert in some fights
>>500015772No wonder she wears the bandana, look at that fucking hairline
Enough time has passed, power scale Louis, Will, and the party.
>>500054967-F tier when you play will, SSSSSS when I play him
>unlock all these cool ultimate jobs>4x merchant/tycoon is still the bestMerchants and class stacking passives were a huge mistake
>>500054967Louis can Soul Scream so he has to be pretty high.
>>500054967>>500055257also what a bad tier list
>>500054761Nidia basically train their entire lives to ensure that they have complete control over their glamour magic and don't ever accidentally revert, but obviously some level of extreme trauma can cause them to break. But it seems like it's a case-by-case basis, since Junah loses it when she sees a flower that reminds her of her past, but Alonzo literally seeing his mother killed and his village burned, and having the villagers blaming him for it isn't enough for his magic to break
>>500054967Huh why is Goro so high
>>500054745I'm talking about before that. Will was the only one that managed to survive being turned into a human and retaining his form and that was before the Skybound Avatar confrontation. You didn't survive then because you agreed with him, you survived because you have an insane strength of will and frens therefore, him saying that people that follow him will survive because of their will is just wrong.
>Rhoag are known for their natural resistance to cold>Grius unlocks his archetype>Neutral to cold>Resists fire???
>>500053970>He has no basis for who will or won't surviveHe literally does, you don't have a point. >so far it has had exactly ONE survivor, who is you. And you absolutely don't follow his doctrineYou don't pass the culling magic. The first time your tradwife sucks the magla out of you, and the second time she isn't there so you kill yourself and only get out of that because of the king's magic.>The rest of his test subjects were the crew of the CharadiusShow me >I don't get what's hard to understand about thisThere's nothing hard to understand about what you're trying to say the story did, it's just that the story didn't do this which I think we've gotten to the heart of at this point. Your lack of understanding about the last arc of the game is fundamental. Which is funny because you have the same lack of understanding in a completely separate game.
>>500047008>So the third game will be the worstthat would be the second
>>500054967in what universe is zeus and chronos above philemon and nyarla, arguably they're just aspects that couldn't even exist without them
Verge of Life and Death > Human by Name
P3 did not have a good story Adachi wasn't basedGoro didn't kill Joker's shadow Louis didn't lie
I haven’t played this but Who’s the fairy I see a lot? I would like to make giant size art of her
>>500053940fuck you for posting this
>>500055467Alonzo is the entire reason it feels like it becomes "permanent" to me
>>500055673You have to remember that was a weaker magla burst than what he does with the royal scepter. Prince plot hax alone can't withstand it as we see when it happens again on the ship.
>been doing fine on hard mode so far>had to turn down the difficulty from hard mode to normal in the abandoned tombI'm sorry /meta/ I just couldn't hang with the hardchads. It was either turn down the difficulty so I can kill all the mimics with less mp or farm mp with mage against foddershit for like an hour. I'm still going to play on hard but damn if mp recovery was such a bitch it'd be more managable.
>>500056389How about this
>>500056495Nah, he can turn back if he wants to.
Why the fuck is Heismay's job path to final one so complicated?
>>500056631I put the game on easy..... to farm cause it has boosted drop rates cause I couldn't be bothered farming red crystals much more and put it back to hard afterwards.
>>500056591It doesn't matter either time because the MC doesn't survive on his own either time, and even if he did in either situation there's still no lie that was toldThe entire argument is pointless
>>500056775Because of how broken he is in his Royal Archetype.
>no idea what brigitta's race is>she's a "Rhoag"Is there any of this race in the game? Feels like I never hear the game talk about them
>>500056662unironically not as badI'll take this and SJ retarded teleporters over moving platforms any day of the week
>>500056981Forden? Grius? Maria (half)?
>>500056981Grius and Forden are the big ones.
>unlocking and maxing all final archetypes for everyone in an abysmal grind gets you a 3-turn synthesis that deals 9,999 damage>meanwhile Tycoon can just hit over 10k almighty damage crits (which also give you blinking turns)The balance in this game is something else.
>>500056981bro you got Grius, Brigitta and Fordenand that demoliton guy that just wants to retirethey're basically normal humans but they live a long time
>>500056981Grius was Rhoag, so is Forden. They're a weird race because their defining feature is their age, Goddard is the main Rhoag candidate other than Forden and his whole thing is support among the Rhoag because he appeals to older voters, but there's almost nothing distinct about them visually. They say Elda have nothing distinct about their appearance, but I don't know what I'm supposed to see as distinct about the Rhoag because the only thing that stands out is the markings on their face, which the Memorandum says is just makeup.
>>500055892>He literally doesWhere? When? If we're using shit that's exclusively said in the game like when you said he never CLAIMED to be a Clemar just because we didn't see it happen in game, then show me where his proof that any of this shit he's talking about will go as expected.>You don't pass the culling magicGreat, then we have ZERO people that have managed to survive it. So where's this new humanity? Who are the ten people that manage so survive because even he doesn't manage it.>Show meTalk to the former captains/sergeants or whoever in the epilogue. They tell you outright that the crew of the Charadius went missing entirely and he's sure they were turned into humans.>Back to P5 shitYou always say this whether we're arguing about Shido or Louis or whether the whole of human relationships are based on give/take relationships, but you're the only one I ever see with these interpretations.>the story didn't do thisBut it did. Like, are we going to dissect the story piece by piece and write literary analyses over what the story's dialogue wants you to interpret and then dissertations of our actual interpretation? The story does, at several points, imply that the behavior of the general populace is unnatural. No, I'm not taking screenshots, no I can't be assed to look it up on YT, don't start that shit. But if we go by what the game is telling us, that it's not human will alone causing these issues, then yes the Grail is absolutely culpable for Shido mania.Let's split hairs for a second.IF the Grail was nothing more than an outlet for humanity's distorted desires, then you would be correct. If it existed as a separate entity that held zero influence over the people "willfully" imprisoned by it, then you would be correct.But it does. It's a sentient god with a plan. The people wanted a savior, but the GRAIL chose Shido, not them. Their higher level decision making was being fucked with and the result of which is Shido mania.
Finished the game today. mfw during the final exchange between Will and More.
>>500057117to be fair the 9999 damage is fixed so the buff/debuff investment is lower than any other movethat and I don't think anything in the game has enough health to resist more than five casts of it
>>500013569Impressive for a game to come out that makes FFXVI's handlind of racism look like a work of Shakespeare
>>500057385More was cool, I feel like more could have been done with him.
there should have been a little popup adjusting your ranking when forden dies. preferably mid cutscene
>>500056806I don't really care or understand why it matters at the end game over literally everything else happening.
>>500057642Carlos...
>>500057385I was expecting More to be the true final boss and the twist really hit me
>>500057547Metaphor is heavy handed but FF XVI is still complete shit from top to bottom and even the heavy handed racism theming in Metaphor is done with more sincerity than anything in FF XVI.
>>500057385https://youtu.be/0uGoRTbcJp0
They shouldn't have put Basilio on the box art, I was looking at it and I knew Fidelio was going to sacrifice himself and Basilio would join the party as soon as I noticed him there.
>>500057890This shit was more inspirational than the main game theme coming back for the dungeon. Shame the fight was easy as piss, could've been much more hype if it were a proper scrap.
>>500021012>>500021943I got bored with Hard Mode by the end and basically every fight being game over if you were ambushed or sometimes didnt even end before stun wears off, this games has Press Turn like SMT but unlike SMT I can't create a team with defenses to protect me during enemy turn as easily so every fight is just me watching 4-5 turns from the enemy become 8-10 since they always always hit a weakness or a crit. I don't think I had combat this entire game outside of bosses, I either sweep or get swept.
jaane, aniki
>everyone itt cooming over Louis>he's literally just a worse Chiaki
>>500058681Let it go bro.
>>500057826Heavy handed? It feels like it's not actually saying anything at all though, FFXVI was comically OTT with how slaves were treated but here it felt super weak, a million different races and I don't know shit about most of them or why they hate ones that aren't Paripus or Elda.
>>500051129I thought it was supposed to be the point that talking to and fighting Louis at the end of the game shows that he literally contradicts every single thing he talks about with his own actions. You can tell how exasperated Will and his team are with their words. Each one thought that Louis had some sort of "humanity" inside of him, but in his tortured reality there was only fire, and justice was making sure everyone got burned.
Idk about powerscaling but Louis was at least much more entertaining than most chaosfags
>>500058796It's supposed to show racism is irrational because there's no real difference chud
>>500057302They have slightly pointed ears, but that's about it in terms of their appearance.
>>500058803Louis isn't THAT bad that he'd want everyone to die, but he's is absolutely hellbent on burning the world to the ground with mild difference between the two.>>500058908This is true.
>>500057302Without the Memorandum would anyone even say this game had good world building? 8 races and you wouldn't know shit about some of them
https://poal.me/41psphttps://poal.me/41psphttps://poal.me/41psp
>>500058143yeah, it's depressing how the only option was spend 1-2 inventory slots on preventing your weaknesses. Would've enjoyed maybe an inheritable passive here or there
>>500058681you're right but that is a high standard
>>500015186I honestly can't tell whether you're talking about the Nidia or the Elda
>>500058796>a million different races and I don't know shit about most of them or why they hate ones that aren't Paripus or Elda.>I don't pay attention and that's the games fault
>>500058681Hee haw
>>500059016So yeah, it's pretty shallow
>>500058796The only races that feel underdeveloped are the Rhoag and maybe Ishkia. The Clemar are the majority and generally viewed as the most privileged and most likely to be in positions of nobility, the Rhoussainte are a physically strong and hardy people, the Paripus are the impoverished lower class, the Eugief are frowned on for their completely distinct bodies and so they tend not to live among or interact with the other tribes, the Nidia are a tribe with a reputation for being two-faced and schmoozers and the Mustari are pagans that are frowned on for not being part of Sanctism. Most of them have a few clear cultural traits and points that others will discriminate against them for even if they're not that deep.>>500059081I don't think that's specific to them because the king has pointed ears too and he's Clemar.
>>500059621you mean 'he didn't read the memorandum entries on each race' sure
So what exactly are the noteworthy traits of the clemar aside from having horns?
>Prince is half-elda half-clemar>has absolutely no clemar traits
>>500059892he's constantly horny
>>500058803I think Strohl/Bas summed it up, he never recovered from the ethnic cleansing but genuinely believes the world is FUBAR and this is the course of action that saves it without realizing he's becoming what he hates.
>>500060018Human/Elda genes overwrite everything else.
>>500060086this was meant for >>500060018
For a game that builds this huge world up on these problems based on real life issues and everything, they really just said 'it'll be hard, but the MC will be a GOOD king who solves racism somehow!' Louis plan was batshit mental but at least it was an idea where you could see how it would actually work
>>500060018Has the small dick
>>500060350What else could they do?
>>500060350there's a whole book laying out the framework for wills solution stupid ass.
>>500058047Spoiling things with the boxart is a classic JRPG tradition.
Can I use charge twice? (character + mask dancer)What are the best inherited skill for the prine to do unga bunga damage?What are the best dogde skills for heismay for the final boss?
>>500060509The book disappears with the king at the end
>>500060871No, tycoon's, the one he gets naturally
>>500034956Based
>>500060940no I meant the communist manifesto
>>500060479i didnt make the game, dont ask me to solve the plot
>>500061128A-AIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>500054172one desperation bump to this because it seems to keep happening and im kinda stumpedthe game runs totally fine, pc isn't hot, fps is stable, screen will just at random turn green, or white, sometimes ill hear the game sound for a few seconds and boom, desktoptried -dx11, fullscreen or borderless but most basic googling has pretty shitty results
>>500028759>Actually not liking itHonestly filtered, it's charming
You could tell me this was a part of Nier on PS3 I'd totally forgotten about, and I'd buy it.Finally got to sink my teeth over the weekend, at about 15 hrs in I'm loving the ride so far
is there any way to make the game run better? i have a 2070 super and it keeps hanging sub 60fps. Doesnt matter what the render scaling is, it could be at 200% or 100% and it would still be at the same frame rate.
>>500017343Because Will is a Ten Year Old in an 18 year old that’s really 3 months old body.
>>500061754the fact that it doesn't have any of the characters from nier would tip me off. also the fact that everything is nier is unforgettable
>>500017343why do you think there's no romance when they wrote scenes like this? is it because there isn't some true/false switch that says WILL HAS BEEN PAIRED.
>>500057351> If we're using shit that's exclusively said in the game like when you saidThen lies said: 0 >Used the magic on someone that doesn't line up with his ideals: they turn into a monsterLies said: 0 >Used the magic on the guy again after he changed sides: they survive and become a new human in the bad ending Lies said: 0 Protection of his followers is providence of power and not a handout. It has entirely to do with will and not physical strength. People that side with Louis for reasons like the folks that got scared because he was going to just keep killing people aren't going to survive. Like we've also been talking about all along, people that don't want to see everyone that disagrees with their view wiped out aren't going to make it. He is ultra specific about who he wants to protect. >Let's split hairs for a secondSure. The only teeny tiny shred of proof you had for why the grail made people vote Shido came down to their perspective suddenly changing after it was beaten, when it did not happen because of this but because the PT changed their cognition. I refuted this directly, and you have been crying like a little bitch asserting things left and right that you can't be bothered to even look up the proof for ever since because the moment that one point fell apart, you had absolutely nothing. That was where this argument ended, with you being every bit the petulant little fucker I attacked your character for being. P5 has been out for almost a decade. If you still can't reconcile why the characters think society's behavior makes no sense at first with what happens at the end of the game by now, you never will. Like I said awhile back, the reason why you're so angry about this is because you've been losing these arguments for years, but you don't want it to be your fault. That's fucking pathetic. But that's okay, because the Royal plotline was dumbed down just for you.
>>500017343Have personafags ever played a jrpg without dating mechanics? I do not understand the confusion.
thank you op for the cute image
>>500047893He’s got my vote!
>>500051129>Until 5 seconds after you beat it, then suddenly nobody wants it. Almost as if it's coerced decision making.Yes because the embodiment of that desire was killed, and thus the emotions humans had that created him was neutered in humanity.Or how before that killing the Archangels who served as his conduits was causing people to see what was happening and start freaking out. Excluding the Police.The Phantom Thieves put them in a situation where they were now under threat of the being they were fine enslaving them only moments ago.
Wait no one actually played P5 and thought that part where Goro said Sae's Shadow was acting like something was weighing her down was talking about Yabadabadoo instead of society/mementos as a whole being what produced her shitty mindset right
>>500062443one of the character having a crush on th MC isn't "romance", especially since it doesn't lead to anything
>>500054967Bad tier list. Nyarly has succeeded at destroying the world via rumors and Philemon made a new one by erasing all memories of friendship.
>>500063689>one of the character having a crush on th MC isn't "romance" because it doesn't lead to anythingyes it is, you're simply stating something false.also the romance mechanics in persona games are complete trash and we are better off without
>fairies are supposed to be whimsical as fuck and easily distracted>Gallica apparently used to be exactly like this>original plan was to send Gallica alone and hope she stuck to the missionResistance is full of retards.
How long is metaphor?
>>500057890>"This place...it isn't an utopia">Tradia Desert theme starts playingABSOLUTE CINEMA
>>500063824Having a crush =/= romance. For romance to actually be at play you have to be able to reciprocate it. The game doesn’t let you do this, so all you have is some girls having crushes and nothing will come from it. Especially as the game is set up for sequels with them so even more reason nothing will ever come of it.
>>500063935It was kind of a desperation play i think most of them sort of assumed they lost by that point
>>500064179all the stories of unrequited love described as romance stories would beg to differ. what you want is a dating mechanic, which isn't the same.
I like that I can see Louis' ass in the final battle
>>500063653Saw was weighed down by the rampant corruption around her and whether she should embrace it, and the Police are 100% Yaldys biggest cocksuckers as they’re the ones who never realize what’s going on when he starts his takeover from start to finish.
>>500063935I don't think they meant THAT distracted. Gallica gets a little distracted right when you get to Grand Trad. Agrica was at it more than anyone else and she still more or less stuck to what she was supposed to do
Genuinely surprised there's no romance A king needs a queen
>>500064516A King can have someone produce heirs for them while fucking whatever they want on the side.
>>500064179>Especially as the game is set up for sequels with them so even more reason nothing will ever come of it.it's literally the exact opposite. the game is set for sequel so even more reason they'd slow burn it
>>500064516Write a fanfic then
>>500064667Then they won’t do anything there either. Just like with all the Persona spin-offs cause they don’t give a shit about who you ship them with.
how can i make my game run better
>>500064516Strohl can’t get pregnant!
>>500064516
>>500057351>spend all your time hanging around other zoomers that don't like P5>shocked when other people see it the exact opposite way
>>500064951Only if she could become human sized.
>>500064951She’s not even human related. No way she can have half-human kids.
>>500065020>>500064951I genuinely thought with all the talk of magic and physical stuff she was going to turn wife mode at the end
>the first Queen of Euchronia was a fairy >Gallica somehow won't be the canon wife ok Junahkeks don't take this as an attack I love Junah
Gallica > Morgana, Teddie, AigisAnd it's not even close or controversial.
>>500064349dude, this shit is just an optional dialogue that doesn't impact the story in any way and that doesn't even make up 0.1% of the game comparing it to actual romance stories is laughable
>>500064516I'm already seeing Will mpreg headcanons
>>500047893Goro DID kill a bunch of people or did jobs with the intent of causing as much harm as possible.Granted I find Louis more sympathetic than Goro but that ain’t stopping me!
>>500013569BRING BACK OP EDITIONS
>work for one year(actually chasing maria pussy half the time)>then take a vacation for flimsy reasonsNice king
>>500065412So this is the power of fantasy.
>>500065328Gallica >> Morgana >>>> Aigis > schwarzwelt sized gap > Teddie
>>500065602>Killed Dragons who were healing the planet to earn infamy as the Dragonslayer King>No way this can backfire.
>>500062449>Telling the general populace that he'll be their shield against the human menace>But what he actually meant by shield is that he'll be a role model>And what he actually meant by human menace is that he'll zap everyone with the human juice>So what he's actually saying by "I'll be your shield against the human menace" is that "I'll be a role model for how not to die a horrible death when I try to turn all of you into humans"Do you not see how this level of deception qualifies as a lie?And again, when people DO turn into humans all across the country, out of the ones that do survive, if any, are going to be absolutely swarmed with humans and little to no way to properly defend themselves. They're going to fucking die.>I didn't lie because I didn't define what I meant by "save">I didn't lie because I didn't define what I meant by "follow">I didn't lie because I didn't define what I meant by "human"To you, he didn't lie. But he absolutely did to the general populace.>P5 shit againYou're basing your entire argument off the situation with the Grail being exactly like it was with the rest, but it's not.Every heart that's been distorted had a singular cause that led them down a darker path. This isn't the case with the whole of humanity and the Grail. The entire point here was that Shido mania was caused by the Grail's influence.Your point, in favor of it NOT being the Grail's fault was:>Shido's campaign had a press release after that said he's unwell and that means everyone still believes him even after he confesses everythingand>The grail said he wasn't causing society to suddenly memory hole the PTsVersus,>The grail having a proven affect on cognition>The cast themselves being some of the only ones not under their influence noting how strange it isand>The grail itself clearly not being what everyone "wishes" the second it gets exposed for what it really isThe Grail is not a normal treasure with normal effects.
A BLUNDER
>>500065983You're basically just saying both games are lying now because you can't prop up your argument with what's in them. I think it's time to stop.
the overarching message is that political assassinations work and have little drawback. this is also verified by studying history, martyrdom is basically a fabrication and never has as much effect as if the figurehead had just stayed alive
>>500066137Ahhh fuck you Louis, I'm enjoying their argumentI hate how you show up in these threads with increasing smugness!
Positively miniature
>>500066151I AM propping it up with what's in it. Where do you think I'm pulling all of this from?Louis lied to the people, the grail is to blame for Shido mania. Play the games if you don't believe me.>But in the game Louis said he didn't lie!And then was immediately called out for his subterfuge by the cast and Batlin.
>>500066137He looks way better with the hornsElda Louis was a mistake
>>500066464>Where do you think I'm pulling all of this from?Out of your ass which you've stapled the game logos to
>>500066538I think they look quite nice for cheeky decoration. Don't mind me if I wipe with your argument though.
>>500066464And the grail is responsible for Shido mania because it’s what the populace wanted. It’s the nature of his relationship to the populace. They don’t care who their tyrant is unless the Tyrant threatens their life directly, a fact the Thieves used against Yaldy by killing the Archangels.
>>500066638>Giving yourself a prolapsed anus on purpose
>>500066102O POWER OF KINGS!
>>500066521Yet another re-used twist.
>>500066464>Play the gamesI didI stopped listening to you when Futaba came up on screen and said anon was retarded verbatim
>>500066708>And the grail is responsible for Shido mania because it’s what the populace wantedAND HIT THE BRAKES RIGHT THERE PALThe entire engagement with the Grail post-archangels was specifically fighting against the Grail's interpretation of the people's wishes. They wanted some vague notion of a "savior" and he gave them Shido with rabid fervor. Shido mania would never have come to pass without the Grail so it was therefore, the Grail's fault.We drag this on further, dissecting the entire concept of Mementos and how it differs from normal palaces given the shit they throw your way in the final run to the bottom.But the short of it is that the Grail was never a normal treasure. It's a malicious influence that dragged people in.
>told no lies>gave no handouts>would've preferred if you lived at the end>caused anti-P5 schizos to lose their mindsname a bigger chad
>>500067546>Shido mania would never have come to pass without the Grail What cope is this? People wanted Shido because their leadership coerced them into it not because they were influenced by magic from a thing they actually have the absolute control over without realizing it
>literally just repeating the argument with a different person now>STILL losing almost 10 yearsjust think about that
how did the crew not die instantly when neuras stopped their falling momentum instantly with his runners wings
>>500068116power of dreams
>>500068021>>500068021
>>500068116They've been through worse.
>>500014474how the fuck are you guys doing this much damage with him, what the fuck am i doing wrong
>>500068116Only villains are susceptible to fall damage duh
>>500067953The Grail doesn't act on the actual wishes of the people, it acts on what it THINKS the people want. The sentience of the Grail is the issue here. If you want more proof of that, even after he's exposed and the people wish for you instead of him to win, he doesn't just lay down his arms and disappear nor does he do anything do help you win. He still fights against you. He isn't bound by their wishes and can act in accordance with his own beliefs. He's only fueled by them.>>500068089And really what do (You) have to offer besides incessant snipes? We're having a discussion about the finest points of a game's finale and the best you can come up with is just repeating "you don't understand" and "you didn't play the game" and calling others whiny, stupid, angry, petulant, or any other manner of insults. Nobody here is mad, dude. Someone else picked up the argument because you dropped it, it doesn't prove anything if someone wants to keep posting about it other than being stubborn, which I am.
>>500066356shota louis ToT
I guess you could say I am Strohling through the end game.
Might have to surrender to the crashing, steam forums are mad useless too :(
>>500081325Is the game updated?
>>500081957yeah
>>500082013Have you tried turning it on and off again?
