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Fresh
21st

Previous: >>502750079
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>sod changes brought to classic fresh
>threads are more active than 2019 launch
I knew this place was full of ledditors, but holy shit y'all are pathetic.
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>convince soddies to accept "qol" changes like dual spec (free 100g a week to play arms) and debuff cap (massive buff from deep wounds)
>get AGGREND of all people, king retard himself, to disavow class changes
warbvlls won bigly
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jHwFgo270Nblz0ygs9jjhliLWaDdqwhswxA1J7lqwBI/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0

WSG gender and race jump differences
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Ummmm orcbros?
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who would win in a fight, the Greek or Sheenboomer?
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>>502783821
>unfunny fake Chinese copypasta
>y'all
>calling others redditors
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way i see it, it's further away from SoD and closer to era so i'll still play fresh, but man it's disappointing that they caved to redditroons
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>he's toling warrior, rogue or mage
>without any parses from 2019
>without either being a GM or best friends with the GM
Bruh what are you doing?

Mind you leveling from 50 to 60 in vanilla takes more XP than from 1-50. You dadgamers will all get filtered come 21st as always. Just go play Resto shaman or holy Sissydin for us brownbulls, you'll never be hardcore adn as a dedicated playing 18 hours a day like us. You won't even make the three week cut, miss the first raid and start cryboomering again. Pathetic. Weak. /spit. Do NOT play brown, yellow or blue. You've been warned!!!
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>>502784068
turning up with pre-bis is enough lil bro
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Yeah I think I'm going Orc rogue
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>>502784068
I have 99/100s from both 2019, SoM and TBC. But uncapped debuff slots means debuff ticking properly, dual spec and we're getting easier ranking. It has literally never been a better time to be a warrior in nilla, than right now.
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>>502784068
i have mythic parses from TWW nerub palace, is that enough?
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>>502783929
I forgot about these from YEARS ago. Funny that people are still doing them
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*shadowmelds on your corpse*
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>>502783790
I look like this
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>>502784215
Female, of course? I mean, who would choose to be a MALE orc rogue! They can’t even swing their offhand! Haha!
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>he uses the same name in every game in the off chance someone cares about his retail/sod/cata/hc/era/overwatch 2/warcraft 1 rank/parse/dildo
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>>502784363
proof?
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who else #readyforfresh?
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>>502784419
reported
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>>502784506
oh no!
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>>502784419
what? you wanna trade gold or something?
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>>502784292
Literally every single aspect of vanilla is solved.
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no GDKP no play
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>>502784543
yeah
lil headstart on lionheart
the rest in super sekret gdkp's with the boys (unbannable btw)
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>>502784419
We'll see how the trading ratios are on the Wow market discord. I definitely have enough gold on other versions of the game, to get me my epic mount.
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>>502784558
https://youtu.be/R4YOowFq4KI?si=yM9yESqJNhEsp-Es
>1 year ago new tech was discovered
lmao cope.
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>>502784270
People will meme about retail, but obviously yes.
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>>502784376
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>>502784670
yeah thats the best way to do it
i'll probably buy a shitload of retail gold and trade it for a fraction of FRESH gold value but idgaf, making fg is ezpz
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>>502784676
Lil bro that was discovered on Kronos.
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>>502784578
Falafel is vegetarian tho
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We don't even know realm names yet. Blizzard are you okay?
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>>502783929
https://youtu.be/HY_7Navr6yo?si=nxgNcnKrHLy5Xeci
add the video to your pasta.
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>>502785103
Who cares
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>ignore all classic discussion for 2 days
>come back
>Blizz has kneeled to my dual spec demands
Feels good.
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>>502785103
Aggrend (PvP), Kottick (PvE), Hellscream (Hardcore)
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Blizzard the community wants 150% experience buff

This is not just me that wants the 150% experience buff but the community as a whole. It will be easier to level which is a great quality of life change.
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>>502785235
Bobby would sue for psychic damage plus intergenerational trauma tip
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>>502785215
weird response
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Now that debuff limit and dual specc basically confirms this as Classic+, can they fix the hybrids and itemization?
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>>502785320
This, also 150% currency drops to train
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Yeah, I'm thinking I'm going priest and being the best healer on the horde in every Classic Expansion
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>>502785396
This, add Draenei and Blood Elves too thanks!
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>>502785320
Let me be serious for a moment, the game absolutely flows better with double xp, but that doesn't mean i think its something that most people agree with.
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>>502785395
Alright, "why care?"
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>>502785519
this is what A/B testing is for
if vanilla launched with 150% bonus exp people would riot if you nerfed xp
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>>502785396
A handful of qol isn't classic+. You're never getting classic+ lil bro.
>>502785504
Draenei is a fanfiction race that doesn't exist.
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wat is the result of a dwarf (male) impregnating a nightelf (female or futa)?
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>>502785503
I think tier probably looks best on UD
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can i show people my ffxiv logs to get into raids
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>>502785103
I mean there are only one type of each server...
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>>502785645
That's how the Frostmane were made
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>>502785619
yeah, i definitely agree with that.
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>missed 2019 classic
>interested in this one
>literally everything I've seen makes it sound like gold buying/bots/the economy is fucking abysmal
How hard is it to actually purchase shit if you don't swipe for Chinese gold? Don't think I'll have the schedule to raid so I'll be happy if I can just get my mounts
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Orc
Fem (futa)
Warrior
Personality traits: reserved, stoic and fiercely loyal
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>>502786014
Just quit once they get a foothold, that hamsterwheel isn't worth it
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>>502786014
gdkps literally banned now, what are you talking about?
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>>502786014
just level up to 60 at your own pace, and join a dad guild or do a pug raid have an awful experience and logout forever.
like most people who don't care about parsing or streamers.
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>>502786131
publically banned yes, but there will be private gdkps for sure
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>>502786131
If you don't advertise in LFG or anything they can't exactly prove you are doing it unless someone in the group snitches.
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I’m watching asmon’s vod of the 2019 fresh launch and half of it was just sitting in queues and the other was farming a murlock camp with ohter streamers in elwynn forest for like 5 levels
this fresh won’t be like this, right?
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>>502786198
most of his shit got delisted or weren't made probably cause it was him just spamming dungeons and blizzy didn't like seeing that's what this shit game is
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>>502786183
>publically
this is how I know you're in at least one of those discords.
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>>502786183
>>502786196
pretty sure blizz can track how people are trading thousands of gold inside molten core for some reason. Not saying they will, but they definitely have the power to stop gdkp for good.
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>>502786416
>don't enforce tos at any point in the past unless it's related to arena boosting and rmt/wintrading
>surely this time they'll ban RMTers
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>>502786493
nigger sod had literally no gdkps after that announcement
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>>502786570
hear no evil see no evil.
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>>502786298
old me would've been in them yes but i've broken free of trooncord cliques. just a solo casual gamer now
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I dont plan to play this fresh past aq40, once im bored of bwl im probably quitting and playing other vidya. my backlog is huge.
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>>502786653
Not him but I don't care if some people run underground gdkps, I care about having old school ms>os pugs at level 60 instead of only gdkps spammed.
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>play on a PvP server
>it'll be FuN
>it has sovl
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>>502786778
the sovl of classic dies with nefarian so good choice
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how do I unsubscribe from your blog
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>>502786570
LOL
>t. discord gdkp'er
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Male, Night Elf, Druid.
Druid of the Claw.
Druid of the Talon.
Malfurion Stormrage.
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>>502786862
See you at Tarren Mill
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Male, Night Elf, Hunter.
Legolas.
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taren mill is an alliance town
cope seethe cry piss
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male human warlock riding a dreadsteed with T5 armor and a felguard by my side
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>>502787373
You can't even hold Goldshire, Wrynneth
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Human Male
Arms Spec (DPS Specialization - TOP DPS)
Blacksmithing for the Blade of the Lionheart (Executioner)
Group play - designated Tank - Protection Specialization (Immovable)
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>Diet SoM without the good changes
I don't get it.
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>>502786932
blogposting *is* /vg/ culture
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what professions are best for holy pala?
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>>502787649
Unironically true, should've kept in the SoM raid mechanics
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>>502787681
What is blogposting.
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>>502786778
this:
>>502787758
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Best professions on a druid?

I was thinking skinning+mining while leveling, sending the ores to an alt, then drop skinning for engi at max level.
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so what does each class ackshually do in wpvp/zergs?

>Warrior
dies.
>Paladin
repentance, white hit for 400, bubblehearth.
>Shaman
Chain Lightning HEADSHOT MULTIKILL.
>Hunter
AWPing mid doors from T-spawn on dust2 with single digit ping.
>Rogue
DARKNESS, YA BLACK MOTHAFUCKA!
>Druid
can't catch me, I'm the gingerbreadwoman(man).
>Warlock
spread more disease than a pride parade.
>Mage
somebody has to stop the warriors from playing the game.
>Priest
combo a single target and drink, get ambushed while drinking and die before your character can even finish their stand-up animation.

am I missing anything here?
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>elwynn
>westfall
>redridge
>duskwood
peak comfy zones, and hordeniggers have what? deserts?
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>>502787867
Proofs he used Deadly Boss Mods?
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>>502788040
>mulgore
>silverpine
>stoneatelon
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>>502788040
Tirisfal-Silverpine are kino
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>>502788040
mulgore is really peaceful. I grew up in prairies with buttes like Thunder "Bluff"
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>>502788175
admit it, silverpine blows. elwynn westfall mogs it
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>>502788293
I will not. Duskwood is cooler, thoughever
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>>502788040
duskwood is the best zone in the game and hordies will never know
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>>502788040
westfall kind of looks like a desert
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>>502788293
why do you have to talk like that, it's so difficult to quantity what you mean
but, no, silverpine is a good zone and definitely better than westfall
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>the only good early horde zones are Tirisfal -> Silverpine -> Hillsbrad due to it being in EK and therefore the team who made the alliance zones worked on them
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>spend 9 months developing the 4 Human starting zones
>management says that's nice but we need to launch the game
>slap the others together in a month
>think 6 races is too few so add 2 more
>don't have time to give them unique starting areas
I wonder why people would like the Defias questline and everything related to it.
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>>502787882
if you plan to go bear druid at all, I would run enchanting / skinning until you get your heart off the mountain, then drop one of them for LWing. I typically drop skinning once I gather enough to just buy the rest of the mats
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the most comfy zones are the areas that feel dangerous but have some sort of safe zone to rest in
think darkshire in duskwood, nethergarde keep in blasted lands, booty bay, etc
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>>502788293
The one thing I really like in Westfall is the golums
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>>502788594
>even doe barrens is comfy leveling 10-25 or however the lok is tar'd
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>>502788596
it's also clear that a lot of the stuff in the alliance zones was a test bed for ideas and much less standard and refined, where the horde stuff is more straightforward and less constrained but certainly lacks in the crafted story side of things
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>>502788596
Night Elves have an okay narrative through-line of dealing with corruption and stuff all the way through Felwood. Not as tightly designed as the Defias narrative arc for Humans but still pretty good if you're a NE fan.
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>barrens chat became a thing because of how bored players were while leveling in that zone
you can’t make this shit up, even hordies hate their own zones
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Some people are saying the buff/debuff cap removal is only for hardcore?
Are they trolling me or is that true?
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>raids will be significantly easier with no debuff limit
>healers will be much more individually powerful since they can spam hots
>every raid will only need like 3 healers now

based fuck healcucks good luck competing for those few spots lmao
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>>502788848
Anyone seen the defias messenger?
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>>502788903
why are you so bitter man
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>>502787882
enchanting and herbalism, then drop herb for eng later on at cap. the way I made mount money back in 2019 was stealthing through rfd and killing bosses for small radiant shards. glutton, the rare if its up, amennar, and then mordresh. 5 runs an hour. easy to do. with herbing you get a decent amount of grave moss, too. I was selling those shards at like 3 to 4g a pop
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>>502788903
>dress status: removed
soddies win again.
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>>502788903
Damn thats true didnt even think about all that without the som changes of no world buffs and buffed bosses
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>>502788903
Does this mean I can be a Retardadin?
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I love logging out in that goblin bar in ratchet with the butt ugly elf
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>>502788860
yuge troll
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>>502788941
because ledditors dont think about the ramifications of their actions

>>502788968
no one will take you over a real dps class lmao
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>>502789063
>>502788968
no
especially with debuff cap removal your priests will swap to shadow before your holys swap to ret
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Man lucky I won’t hardly need to step into a raid this time around
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1 - 5 nelf hunt
6 - 0 ud priest
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>>502789125
>>502789169
>3 healers
>N-NO NOT THOSE HEALERS
takes more than 3 paladins to buff the raid.
you want to give them taunt instead?
cope. seethe. dilate. brownoids.
your reign has ended.
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>>502789007
yes ledditors and the current dev team are retards who knew

>>502789063
unless they cave in some more and start adding sod abilities no, theres also no reason to play a hybrid anymore with the addition of dual spec, the warrior mage meta will be even worse
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>dual spec
It won’t be available at launch so wear a fucking dress pinkcuck
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>>502789209
you should unironically play alliance if you don't have any friends pulling you to horde
hunter is probably the most fun class in vanilla, too, because of all the weapons and tricks they can use
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>>502789265
>hmm should we get an extra warrior for a ton more dps or an extra paladin for a small buff that will amount to almost nothing
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>>502789265
>takes more than 3 paladins
does it? salv+kings+might sounds like 3 buffs to me
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>>502788903
>spam hots
t. never played a healer in vanilla
unlike later iterations of the game hots are less mana efficient than direct healing spells
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>>502784068
>full purple parsies from 2019
browns are the niggers of vanilla
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>>502788848
>biggest zone both in size and level range
>practically mandatory for every horde player
>accessible within the first day of playing
of course it's going to have one of the most active general chats
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>Friends want to play PvP
>All they did throughout SoD was seethe about how degenerate wPvP is now with DK-baiting and layering
>Also want to roll Alliance in advance for TBC
About to roll PvE Orc Warlock because I know they're all going to quit two months in.
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>>502789430
theres no buff limit anymore retard thats a massive difference to healing especially with priests
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>browns benefited more than anyone else from the changes
>s-seethe b-b-brownoid!
never forget who the main character of 'niller is
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>>502789607
yeah but what about stacking buffs/debuffs?
does each warrior have their own deep wounds?
can you have 5 rejuvs now?
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>>502789430
I don't know i see some naxx druid videos where they spam hots a fuck ton without going oom
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which expac gave a boat connection to southshore?
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>>502789667
correct
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>>502789667
Presumably so
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>>502789607
it isn't. priests are also the least mana efficient healers. even if every tick of a renew never overheals it still is less mana efficient than a downranked greater heal
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>server isn't even out yet and all the trannies and liberals are already seething about <BIGPPvP>
I've joined the correct guild.
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does anybody have the poll of who is going to pick what class?
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>>502789746
prooves?
because buff/debuff limit removal doesn't mean that. that means you can get buffed without it knocking off your world buffs, and warlock can cast corruption without it knocking off sunder.
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>>502789814
Fayg news
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dual spec is unacceptable, UNLESS there is a substantial quest chain required to acquire it, equivalent to the dungeon 2 set chain. once the ability is acquired, it should require some kind of farmed reagent, maybe crafted by some profession to use.

dual spec as it is reduces player incentive to farm and has no integration into the game world or story. I am completely opposed to the implementation of systems that have no RP element in the actual game itself.

death by a thousand cuts.
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>>502789667
>>502789724
I remember stacking trash buffs so that the resto druid wouldn’t push off my world buffs in naxx. Good times. Except for when I lost my world buffs. Those were bad times.

>t. Ank
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>>502789814
literally who?
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>>502784030
The whole reason SoD had 20 man Molten Core is because redditors whined that "muh 40 man raids are too hard to organize!!"
Dual spec will be the only the first of the changes. Get ready for summoning stones, and 20-player Molten Core.
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>>502789762
But it can heal while you do something else....
Imagine not needing any tank healer because every one just stacks a hot on them
i wonder how powerful hots are when stacked enough
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>>502789975
>20-player Molten Core.
Hate to break it to you bud but that’s how we did every MC from AQ onwards.
It’s a pushover raid even with semi afk shitters, let alone geared 60’s.
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you know, i didn't play warrior in 2019 because i thought there would be too many but it looks fun as fuck. how much of a pain in the ass is it to really gear a warrior?
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>>502789819
Someone in the old thread said they tested it with rejuv on ptr and it worked but idk if we can trust a random anon
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>>502789724
they're downranking in order to maximize the dreamwalker 2 set bonus. they'll have lower personal hps as a result but the set bonus is nutty for everyone else so they want rejuvs blanketing the raid
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>>502790130
you're not getting geared.
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>>502790130
It's only about 400k gold to get to preBiS!
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>>502790139
If there's a PTR it's free
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>>502790090
They didn't change it because it was "too easy with 40" they changed it because Redditors whined that it's too hard to invite 40 players.
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>>502788014
>warrior without support
sits in frost nova/sheep, dies
>warrior with support
unstoppable rape machine
the rest are of little consequence
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>>502790130
You have welfare r14 now so it doesnt matter
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removing the buff cap does not mean that you will be able to have multiple renews on the same target. it simply means that world buffs, for instance, will not get knocked when a certain threshold of buffs is reached. this mainly affects druids, who were encouraged to avoid using hots for this reason. basically, the only change will be that druids will become better healers who can more effectively use their toolkit.
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>memespecs think they're getting a raidspot after the debuff cap changes
sorry bro we need another warrior to dual-wield annihilator and rivenspike
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>>502790285
A random anon said they tested it on PTR and found out rejuv stacks.
But its a random anon so take it with a grain of salt.
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>>502790285
that's the logical conclusion of an English first language speaker.
but this game is developed and populated by thirdies.
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>>502790285
Debuffs stack though so raids will be way easier and warriors will be even better
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>>502789819
I actually played Vanilla from 2019-2021 and I never knew this shit until Naxx when I was raiding and saw one of my buffs fall off because I popped a trinket or consumable or something. I did not know you could knock off self buffs
No one fucking told me that shit that entire time and I did all the raids and had 90+ parse on everything mostly 95+'s
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>>502790130
Getting dungeon gear is easy, just tank (with arms spec).
The only hard piece is Savage Gladiator Chain. Lionheart Helm is expensive as well, but that lasts you forever.

As far as getting raid gear goes, it depends greatly. If you’re literal who warrior #18 in a “semi-hardcore” guild, you’re not getting shit. If you’re in an uber sweaty guild, you’ll all be geared from running splits. If you’re one of a handful of warriors that show up with buffs and consumes in a shitter guild (or friends with the gm), you’ll get gear too.

HOWEVER,
Rank 14 gear is free as fuck now, so yeah go for it. Insanely good for warriors.
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>>502789607
>proving him right
Good job, tardo.
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>>502790425
I think most people slap a bunch of /cancelaura lines into their macros on their main abilities.
but lul get fukt.
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Last classic, my guild was horde on a pvp server. I started with an undead warlock and then had to reroll on another server and wound up as a troll priest. Then paladin in TBC and somehow rogue in WoTLK. I probably wasn't going to play this time, but some friends are all hopping into a PvE alliance server. If I play, what should it be this time? Nelf Hunter maybe?
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>38 warriors and 2 healers will now be the meta

KINO
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>>502790676
Hunters are only good for being bots.
But you will have a fun time questing at least...
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>>502790758
Which healers tho
And do you not want buffs still from some hybrid healer classes?
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If I want to play a Rogue mainly for open world ganking purposes, is Ally or Horde better?
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if you could add a new class to Classic WoW, what would it be?
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Why did redditoids claim dual spec will be good for hybrids when theyre the ones that get cucked the most by it and its mainly pure classes that benefit?
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>>502790760
That's probably fine. My work schedule rotates all the time, so I don't even know what kind of raiding I would do anyway.
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>>502790758
>pArse
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>>502790876
dwarf
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>>502790880
One whose abilities are based off the momentum of rocking on your filled diaper
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>>502790003
>just have hots rolling
I have visions of the firemaw fight. damage doesn't seem all that bad on the tank, and then all of a sudden the boss thrashes and flame breaths in like a 2 second window. that single fight made me respect deep resto for swiftmend because having a dedicated pw shield priest being ready still wasn't enough to overcome some of that stupid burst. swiftmend was also great on nefarion as well, fortunately
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>>502790871
>which healer
1 priest to spam hots, 1 paladin for salv
>buffs
Why would you waste a slot for an insignificant buff instead of another warrior?
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>>502790880
None of the stupid hero classes from retail.
Instead of new classes you should just rework some of the useless talent trees so we have more options on old classes.
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>>502790894
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS ONLY BENEFITS WARRIORS AND ROGUES AND NOT ANY OTHER CLASSES?
LEDDIT HAS SPOKEN, CHUD.
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I can't be the only one so uncertain of what class im going to main...right? I've changed my mind like 6 times already and I still am not sure. The only class I'm sure I will like I have doubts because I played it last fresh and I'm concerned I'll get bored of it.
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>>502790894
Because they're retail players? FFS they keep asking retarded stuff like "what's the best rotation for a prot warrior?".
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>>502791057
Renew is not that powerful buddy...
And they would just go oom
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>>502791138
Ranged is safe
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What's even the point of discussing gameplay changes when playerbase changes are responsible for 1000% more severe aberrations than anything they could actually change in-game?
Classic Classic is going to look a lot more like SoD than Classic, and once again nothing remotely like Vanilla, but Dual-Spec and Deep Wounds aren't going to account for 1/10th as much difference as 90+% of the playerbase being unhinged turbo-autists.
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>>502791415
I wanna main hunter but I'm concerned I won't find a raiding spot as most raids take 2 hunters 3 maximum.
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i wanna play a caster this time
lock or mage? which is guaranteed to be MORE FUN
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Where the fuck on the blue post does it say you can stack rejuvs now on people?
It only says buffs/debuff cap removed.
Am i blind? can someone screenshot me where it says that hots stack now?
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>>502790894
>Warrior
can't PvP in Fury.
>Paladin
Holy Shock is both specs. ret and reckoning aren't real.
>Shaman
you have a minimum of 20 points in resto in both specs. this just lets you have elemental mastery on one spec and natures swiftness on the other. irrelevant.
>Hunter
same spec.
>Rogue
can't PvP as Combat.
>Druid
fucking beautiful talent trees that give you freedom to make one build that does it all has perfect class fantasy of being the swiss army knife NOPE NOT ANYMORE YOU BETTER BE HYPER OPTIMIZED FOR ONE CONTENT!
30 balance 21 resto for ns.
31 balance 20 resto for chicken.
30 feral for heart of the wild, omen of clarity or ns.
healing builds only require ns from resto, but you can go to swiftmend if you want even more healing
NOPE NOT ANYMORE YOU WILL RAID AS SWIFTMEND AND YOU WILL FARM AS A CHICKEN AND FUCK THESE DUMBASS DEVELOPERS LISTENING TO PLAYERS PLAYERS ARE FUCKING RETARDED NEVER LISTEN TO THEM.
>Warlock
fire destro will be playable in raid now, but their pvp spec is definitely not their raiding spec.
well some people liked to pvp as deep destro for big crits.
>Mage
same spec.
>Priest
OH WOW YOU GET TO GO SHADOW BECAUSE A FUCKING 2004 VIDEO SAID SHADOW PRIESTS WERE OP WHEN ALL YOU GET IS SHADOW FORM AND MIND FLAY WHOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
bitch shut up and cast fear ward and power infusion. your holy spells do more damage.
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>>502790894
they didn't think that far ahead to realize that warrior/rogue get to freely take pvp dual spec while every hybrid (and mage lmao) is cucked into a second pve spec
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>>502791421
it is possible to design the game so as to encourage people to behave in a certain way. the hardcore addon was an example of this: it ensured that people could not spam dungeons, could not buy gold, and forced them to engage with the world without shortcuts.

dual-spec encourages bad behaviour, the very mindset you lament. blizzard's goal should be to guide people toward the classic spirit by encouraging gameplay that is beneficial for game as a whole in the long-term, rather than immediate short-term satisfaction. but as we all know, this is impossible.
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>>502791729
It's impossible because convenient also means better for the bottom line
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>>502791565
Warlock is more fun, unless your idea of fun is aoe farming forever
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>>502790758
vgh.. just the way the warriorGODS (Tigole and Furor) wanted it
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>>502791867
that doesnt sound fun at all! ive decided
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>>502791673
Well shadow priest is pretty good in PvP tho.
There is also a insta kill shaman build
It does give shaman and priest a way to swap from healing in PvE to blasting in PvP
and you are ignoring that like a retard
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>>502791972
priests will have a holy spec and a PI spec because that's what the meta will demand
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>>502791972
shadow priest is a fucking joke that gets shit on by everything.
I literally talked about the shaman build but elemental mastery is dead without batching. they're all going to be running NS now to launch instant chain lightnings after they lightning bolt while running in for a shock.
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consider this: Reddit
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>>502791972
its a meme duel spec thats only good for 1v1s youre going to be oom and useless most of the time in bgs
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>>502792158
fuck yo couch, nigga.
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>>502792117
honestly like playing NS more but when batching was in EM was so broken you were retarded not to spec into it
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which is better paladin or priest for healing in pvp?
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>>502791673
yeah basically warrior is the only one who benefits since you can pvp or pve on demand now, based leddit!
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The only way I see this going is hybrid classes will be forced to have 2 pve specs, and pure classes get a pvp and a pve spec.
If you can swap specs in raid there is no other outcome. Hybrids were screwed enough as it was
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>>502792117
You must have not faught any good ones then.
Because shadow priest can melt people in duels with the right gear
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>>502792318
ohhhhhhhhh wowwwwwwwwwww a DUEL HOLY SHIT HOW MUCH HONOR DID THAT GIVE ME?
bitch shut up and give me PI.
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>>502792270
AND the get the most benefit from debuff cap removal out of anyone (besides still a memespec shadow priest) AND they get a huge buff with the removal off buff cap
based reddit! reallg showed those woyer chuds!!!
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>>502792162
As long as i melt you in our duel i will be happy :)
stay mad nigger
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>>502791673
>31 balance 20 resto for chicken.
>chicken
you will be asked to respec to heals
and for pvp chicken is substantially worse than ns
>healing builds only require ns from resto, but you can go to swiftmend if you want even more healing
>NOPE NOT ANYMORE YOU WILL RAID AS SWIFTMEND
No! The other healing build, which has a higher throughput than swiftmend, is 24/0/27. swiftmend is just a clutch spell - but only when a fight's mechanics require it
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>>502792278
>The only way I see this going is hybrid classes will be forced to have 2 pve specs
yep hybrids are the ones that got most fucked up by it, their talent builds were already extremely versatile, paladin for example only needed 20 points into holy to be a full healer and could do the ret or prot meme otherwise
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>>502792267
Both are pretty equal.
Paladin if you want to be more tanky/defensive they have bubble, freedom, higher armor, can cleanse poison/magic/disease
Priest if you want to be more offensive they have offensive dispel, mind control, fear, mana burn, can deal some damage with mind blast and holy fire
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why do retards think their leveling spec is supposed to be their end-game spec?
>pinkies->ret
>noshoepinkies->enhance
>albinos->shadow
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>>502792318
>>502792412
*puts up dots*
all right guys now just give me 20 seconds to get my mana back so i can keep fighting
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>>502790876

Orc (Hardiness is retarded, Bloodfury is a little bit extra damage) > UD (WotF trivialises Priests/
Warlocks, helps vs Warriors) = Dwarf (stoneform + vanish helps a lot in resets, Finding Treasure is not a pvp ability but helps make money).

Human is very strong in mirrors, NE is not a bad choice either as they get better stealth and 1% dodge but neither as good as above. Troll is probably worst but Berserking helps in solo scenarios. Keep in mind Rogue will be overrepresented on Horde side
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>>502792249
please consider the following
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>>502792434
yeah I'm never going chicken that shit is terrible.
but all these fucking clowns will because it's good on retail.
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>>502790880
God I hate the look and feel of WoW Death Knights. They were so kino in Warcraft 2 and 3
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Kinda wanna roll UD instead of orc on warrior. like to be special
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>>502792482
sounds like i'll go paladin then i'm a sissy who just wants to press heal and never die
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>>502789729
It's not there in retail, i don't think that was ever a thing,
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I think I’ll play priest this time around
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>>502791972
>There is also a insta kill shaman build

EM

DOES

NOT

WORK

ON

ERA

SERVERS.

IT DOES NOT BATCH TWO SPELLS NOW. YOU ONLY GET ONE CRIT
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>free r14 gear
>more buffs
>can actually use deep wounds now
>get to pvp or pve whenever you want

based this is world of WARRIORcraft now thanks reddit
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>YESSSSS GREAT JOB FELLOW REDDITORS
1 month later
>We need PvP->PvE transfers. The open world is unplayable, every rogue has prep and I can't even beat warriors any more because they're all MS spec with FAPs.
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>>502792843
no no chud, this is a nerf to warriors and a buff to ret paladins!
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>>502792863
its going to be hilarious watching their seething in a month lmao
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undead mage or orc warlock cant fkn decide
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i'm gonna soulfire crit these niggas
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>>502792516
because every meme spec retard watched those pvp videos of some guy who massively outgears everyone and think theyll be le ebin retgod too
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>>502792863
holy fuck thanks for reminding me there's 0 chance I roll PvP.
literally every rogue will buy dual spec and run around with prep instead of just a handful respec for a few days of the week.
I'll stick to battlegrounds.
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>>502792783
Anon, no matter how many time you repeat this, they will never understand.
>>502792843
see >>502783841 Aggrend and reddit have redeemed themselves, kek
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>>502792863
>>502792986
this turn of events has changed fresh for me, now i cant wait to victimise these people. these reddit niggas don't know what they wished for
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>>502792249
flying mounts too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would agree with something changing respeccing and the problem was the costs. they want everything 1 click and its going to turn to shit. i would rather play a good private server than deal with all this bullshit.

chronoboom - the problem is, guillds all wait until a certian bsos so they can 1 shot him. ragnaros was kind of hard if you didnt get to him under 1 hour. or if you lost buffs. you would go back out and get a head buff or something then go back in and maybe a flower buff. but now hey no worries take all the itme you need on those easy bosses.

chronoboom is bs just tried to think through this but, thought was no chronoboom inside raid. the way to trick it is, everyone walk outside before boss and then pop your chronoboom. utter bullshit.

dual spec - the probme they were trying to fix was costs. one time cost is nothing. but why not just lowered costs? 5g respec works great on private servers. WHO THE FUCK even needs to dual spec? or respec that much? if your warrior and going pvp, just walk to a trainer then go to the bg dude. no need to do it instant anywhere.
maybe healers would. but if your grouping who needs it? stay heal. only pvpers needed respec costs to go down. instead we get this shit. pvp should have never existed or at least not the damn loot you can get from it. its not being looked at now as a PVE game which it is, they ruined it with pvp and especially the gear. making 1 button easy click for idiots to get gear. who cares if its 1 click to get. oh and the no life waste of time you put into it but thats all you. wasting my time with a shit game so you can waste your time pretending barbies.

this is why all games are going to shit. its the thought blueprint of these all morons
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Epic pvp level gear shouldn't even be obtainable until the AQ war effort
Prove me wrong
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>>502792903
Lmao, we're gonna poach all your geared warriors and stack even harder, now that deep wounds is fixed.
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>>502793094
youll also have every single mage running pom pyro in the open world

enjoy lmao
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>>502793242
Basesd, all early raid gear should be blues
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>>502793279
>polymorph
>pyro
>pom
>pyro
holy shit fuck that funserver.
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>>502793242
I'll just ask Blizz to change its stats and add resilience and PvP power :)
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>>502793279
if they did just 1 fucking thing. there was a whole reason to go back to a trainer to respec. to keep it from being a 1 trick pony to pvp. you had to go out of the way to do that.

this is like basically no limits on pvp. catering the game around pvper's who are the worst players in the world. they are just basically griefers
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>>502792318
>viper stings you
Rofl
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>>502792576
Just remember why I will never play melee alliance in classic. Be a human or do 20% less dps lmao
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>>502792863
>balanced population and everybody running in a pvp spec
Yeah its going to fun for the real wpvp enjoyers (see: nobody, lol)
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>>502792576
Why would you not even mention Gnome it's the best one because you can escape artist mage nova.
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>>502793435
>Be a human or do 20% less dps lmao
It's nowhere near close to 20%, stop the cap
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surely they dont me change specs anywhere right? surely they aren't going to let me game the system this hard right?
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>>502793590
>retail dropouts that couldn't cut it as mythic raiders
Isn't tht literally what SoD is about? How does one lack this much introspection?
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>>502791673
>fire destro will be playable in raid now
I rescind this statement. you still have nothing to do once you cast immolate and conflagrate.
but you can pick between sacrifice and shadow mastery now.
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>>502793590
>pinkie realized he still can't rer with dual spec
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>>502793590
>blizzard forums
Might as well post a youtube comment too.
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>>502793435

It's not that bad if you get Edgemasters... which, admittedly, is not a realistic answer. Supposedly Expert Goldminer's Helm opens some options and it "spares" you from shelling out a shitton on LHH

>>502793518

I forgot, my bad. Just remember, EA now has a chance to fizzle (fail)
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Warlock or Paladin?
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>>502793751
erm ackshewally, thats wowhead
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>>502793751
>blizzard forum
While your point still stands, please put on your glasses anon, that's wowhead not the official forums.
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>>502793696
>ret with FREE rank 14 gear for pvp
>wear the dress for pve
Problem, no-shoes?
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>>502793802

DPS or heal? PvP or PvE or HC? Alliance only or do you consider Horde?
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>>502793852
no problems, you know your place - which is in a dress casting heals :)
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KINO KINO KINO FRESH FRESH FRESH
Everyone cryingbooming about retoilet changes nilla this nilla that muh slipperyslop i dont give a FUCK im playing for 2 months and unsubbing and in that time i will have fun. WAAAH WAAH Muh parsies gotta clear naxxy waxxy for millionth time fuck you
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>>502793852
Wearing a dress at all is definitely a problem, sissy boy.
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What is the optimal duo for leveling on horde? Tauren warrior + troll priest?
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>>502793818
>>502793834
Well, I stand corrected. Same shit tho.
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Undead shadow priest or orc bm hunter for total PvP domination?
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why don't the rets simply just play warrior?
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>>502793971
Hunter
Shadow priest you will end up playing a healing spec because shadow is overrated
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>>502793934
You've never cleared Nax once lil bro
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>>502793946
Go orc warrior + orc shaman and become green twins
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What's the point of night elves besides druids and being the coomer choice? Their racials suck
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so warlock talent suppression is spell hit? or is this comment inaccurate.
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>>502793952
do be same shit, different smell
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>>502793971
>optimal duo
Truth of it is, it literally doesn't matter. Any combo works more than fine.
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>>502794104
Best alliance hunter race
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Good change.
Now delete weapon specialization racials and maybe vanilla will actually be alright. Fem human warrior parsefaggot mass obliteration.
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>>502794104
>muh racials
Unless you're a speedrunner or a pvper, metagaming is pretty much cringe lil bro
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>>502794171
put on the edgemasters cuck
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>>502794042
surely
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>>502793971
Ofc hunter, Spriest is a meme spec
>muh pvp
Just pop a GSPP and dab on shadowcucks corpse lol (yes he is easy to counter if you have an additional 3k effective hp)
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>>502794171
Cataclysm fixed that
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>>502793852
>retpinks in pvp
Lmao
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So with the recent reddit changes

Winners:
Warriors
Mages
Rogues

Losers:
Everyone else

Is this correct?
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>>502794107

Yes, it's spell hit. Keep in mind Shadowbolt and ImpSB don't benefit from it. As a result Warlocks suffer terribly from lack of hit - for impSB to apply, the SB has to hit first, then be a crit, then the impSB has to hit as well.

Robe of the Void may mathematically be bis but I wouldn't dismiss Felheart on every lock just to push spell hit higher. Of course, Robe of Volatile Power is significantly better but expect it to be snatched by mages...
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>>502794468
So it's just like vanilla is already. Wow.
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>>502794468
swap mage with warlock, but otherwise yes
mages are going to get cucked into running 2 pve specs. meanwhile lock gets to play SL and be a fat useless piece of shit all day that people just run away from
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>>502793852
>wow thanks for the changes reddit now i can play a retGOD
>gets ACKED by every single arms warrior

hahaha
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Guys shaman or priest?
Which one will give me more raid spots on fresh?
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>>502794469
hmm yeah I missed that it's affliction specifically.
I don't know what else you would do if you go down to shadow mastery though. improved drain soul? improved drain life? in a pve build.
I think nightfall and shadow mastery will be better than sacrifice.
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>>502794468
actually begged for a change that only favours the current meta
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>>502794587
>mages are going to get cucked into running 2 pve specs
literally no need to do that when warriors will just carry raids even harder, every mage could get by with 2 pvp specs now if they wanted
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>>502793279

pve server chads win yet again
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Considering rolling Tauren Warrior instead of Orc for the Warstomp. How good actually is it? I've never tried.
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>>502794515
yeah but now the meta is favored even more and other classes get cucked even harder lmao
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>bring 30 warriors
>max dps no down time
>bring m*ge
>w-wait I have to drink!
>slows raid and does shit damage
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>>502794693
you could also bring a bunch of useless rets and have your warriors carry them but you aren't going to do that either
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>>502794758
it shares DR with other stuns like intercept so its not that good
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>>502794758
you roll tauren for the larger hitbox, so longer attack range.
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>>502794815
rets are literally useless though a pvp specced mage still deals a ton of damage and has aoe for fights that need it
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>>502794821
Damn, that kinda sucks. I like the Tauren model and I wanted to be a big guy instead of a fucking Orc again.
>>502794856
How much of a difference does it actually make?
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>>502793946
warr/sham
druid/rogue
two of hunter/druid/sham
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>>502794852
>healer
>doing dps
>>>/vg/wowg
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>>502794852
>healers
>dps

lol these retards think theyre playing soddie or retoilet
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>>502794871
and they do less dps than a pve spec one
you will be pve fire/pve frost and you will like it
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>>502794883
just roll tauren and enjoy the larp my man. also you'll have to think about edgies if you care about that
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>>502794883
1.5 yard larger hitbox.
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will there be oce servers?
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>>502794656
sham. min 5 raid spots, but more likely closer to 8
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>>502795053
No.
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>>502794680

https://classicdb.ch/?talent#IEMbmRbkVZZxx0tMbz

This is not a finalized build but is close to the typical SM/Ruin. Fel Concentration, CoExhaustion and even imp. Drain Soul can be exchanged for something else (with imp. DS least likely since it helps a tiny bit when you drain mobs in dungeons/raids to recover lost soul shards). You may consider taking imp. CoAgony but this only increases the curse's base damage (does not benefit from spell power). In raids, only 4+ Warlock can cast CoAgony (other 3 cover Reck, Shadow and Elements) and only for bosses as mobs die way, way too quickly for it to do damage (it ramps up over time). Even then I'm not sure whether it will outdamage a Shadowbolt.

The good news is, this is a much better dungeon/pvp spec compared to DS/Ruin and can be further tweaked (but you cannot deviate from 30/0/21)
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>>502795053
no
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>>502794976
>and they do less dps than a pve spec one
so?
>you will be pve fire/pve frost and you will like it
no thanks i can also just get my free welfare r14 gear too
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priest leveling is still disc until 40 then respec to shadow?
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hate to validate the stereotype, but is there a discord for NA fresh PvP that isn't full of extremely weird unmoderated racist people?

title. there's not a ton of them, but I'd rather have a server discord without edgy teenagers spamming the n word.
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>>502795053
Yes
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>r14 on my chadow priest
I can already smell your tears lol
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>>502795237
Is this a troll post?
Why would you ask this question on 4chan.
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Do male Taurens and fem Taurens have the same extended hitbox?
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>>502795127
>https://classicdb.ch/?talent#IEMbmRbkVZZxx0tMbz
similar to what I was considering.
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warlock/3532203012201105--50502051020001
idk there's just so many junk talents in all the trees for warlocks.
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>>502795336
eh I think I like it better shifting the 3 points from weakness to fel concentration.
not convinced on improved drain soul but I'll think about it later. only other place those points would go is fel concentration or take out of both to get improved drain life.
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>>502795258
>ACK
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>>502795145
>>502795102
is rogue pvp still fun on 200 ping?
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>>502795527
Speaking as a fellow kangaroofucker, ping in banilla doesn't make that much difference, I'm gonna be real. Then again I'm in Sydney so, I get less ping than someone in WA, so maybe it's my east coast privilege speaking.
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>>502795498
>can’t generate rage because I am shielded 24/7
Get rekt goy
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>>502795498
>assuming you’ll even get to touch me to get a mortal strike in
lol
lmao even
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>dual spec means i can finally play ret or soidow and heckin dominate bgs
>everyone else also has their pvp spec and the ledditor gets ACKED

what did leddit means by this?
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So how long until they introduce the WoW token
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>>502795527
i get around 150-180 ping on whitemane using exitlag and dont really notice a difference. its not like this game requires low ping inputs anyway
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>>502795127
nta, but I prefer DS Ruin for wpvp because of potential double voidwalker sac, 15% more stam, and imp succubus. and someone needs to be the raid's imp healthstone bitch.
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>>502795336

Imp is rarely expected to cast spells, even in dungeons, as it's too easy to get it killed. Even then it runs out of mana pretty fast. Searing Pain has quite a lot of threat but it's not a bad spell to use if you're worried the SB won't reach the target before it expires and you have threat to spare. Curse of Weakness is useless in 99% of scenarios, unless you're explicitly asked to cast it (like early Broodlord attemps) and even then I wouldn't talent it (if your tank is skimming the line of life and death, it's typically either his or healer's problem). I would only skip 2 points in Suppression when you have enough natural hit to reach ~10%, until then it's really annoying having to reapply Curse on boss pull. Keep in mind this also boosts Corruption and you want 100% uptime on it and as few resists as possible (it's how you proc Nightfall)
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>>502795669
>shield that dissipates after 1 auto attack that costs half your mana bar
lol
>>502795691
yeah youll be busy hiding and drinking most of the time lmao
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does this mean I’ll get to play spriest in raids?
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>>502795808
>shield that dissipates after 1 auto attack
Stopped reading here clueless retard lmao
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>>502795863
reddit says yes, people who have played vanilla before say no
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>>502795863
>does this mean I’ll get to play spriest in raids?
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>>502795863
lol
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>>502795863
Yeah.
If you're the lucky one person per raid.
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>>502795863

You might unless you're in a speedrunning guild. Even semi-hc guids should run enough warlocks to warrant it, unless they have a healing priest doing shadowweaving.

Just keep in mind this is probably a 1-per-guild application
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>>502795889
oh im sorry i meant half an auto attack because the hunter behind me managed to get an auto shot in before i charged
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guys should i play this or that
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every classic stream is alt tabbing between clients now
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>>502796037
>brown zugs dogpile a single clothie
typical no shoes niggers
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>>502796087
do you want to play the hero class? warrior
do you want to play as the hero's companion? any non-healing classes
do you want to play as a cuckold? any hybrid class or priest
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>>502795230
5/5 wand spec
5/5/ Spirit Tap
Then disc to 40, maybe 45 to keep wand spec
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>>502796147
thats how its going to go for you in every single bg youll cast 2 spells then go oom and get instagibbed by the nearby arms warrior, dont fall for the leddit meme and play a soipriest
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Just reading the wow classic blizz forums for 15 mins has pretty much killed my will to play now. It's fucking grim over there
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>>502796037
>brownoid monkey can’t 1vs1
Not my problem, my raid group would corpsecamp you until blizzard enables PvP—>pve transfers where you would run asap subhuman rat
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>Want to play Warrior
>Have to actually level the fucking Warrior
Grim.
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real horde nigga hours
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>>502796376
>my heckin 1v1s
wow you can heckin duel people while being useless in actual pvp since youll be drinking most of the time bravo
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uhh ohh hybridcuck melty
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>>502790439
fuck it, i’m going woyer. tanking lower level dungeons can’t be that difficult
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>>502796528
embrace the pain and enjoy the ride anon. it's the most fun you can have in vanilla by far, topped only by finishing your bis grind and ascending to god hood
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>>502796141
I don't watch streamers, what did anon mean by this?
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I look and act like this.
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>>502796597
You are dead brownoid lol
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>>502796528
Warriors are neither painful nor hard to level, i don't understand why so many people cry salty tears about it. It's not that fucking hard lil bro
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>>502796528

1h + shield until 20
DW 20 to 30
30 WW to Bonebiter/Ravager at 40
40+ you get MS so any 3.5 and slower 2h

It's not that bad, remember to use Sunder Armor for more rage generation/fishing for OP procs. Stack spirit and use Demo Shout/Tclap if necessary
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>>502796901
>DW 20 to 30
lol, lmao even. Dual wielding warrior is entirely an end-game thing.
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>>502795939

you'll still be oom kek
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>>502796635
bshoud does surprisingly good threat at low level, based off how many people you buff with it. you can almost spam it to hold aoe aggro
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why is azshara so unfinished?
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>>502797139
Designated horde gathering zone
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qrd me on this shit
ranking is apparently made into some casul mode so everyone gets r14?
does that mean autismos are getting r14 on alts aswell?
dual spec seems whatever since it mostly would have benefitted the old autismo rank grind
debuff limit removed makes dumbasses think they will raid as a shadow priest instead of just having one disc priest go for the debuff?
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no one cares about pvp incel
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>>502797139
Designated zug zug zone
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>>502797382
t. Brownoid shitter
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>>502797345
god I hope they bring back 5 hour turtle AV's to ruin you niggers who plan to AFK ur way to full epic pvp gear
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>>502785504
>>502785396
And death knights. Leveling from 1-60 is bit tedious, I think its only fair to start with 55.
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>>502797570
bring back premade AV's
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>>502797570
no im genuinely clueless on how they changed ranking and dont plan on doing it if i can avoid it (on alts atleast)
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>>502797345
>ranking is apparently made into some casul mode so everyone gets r14?
>does that mean autismos are getting r14 on alts aswell?
yes it means warriors will be even more in demand since everyone will have free r14
>dual spec seems whatever since it mostly would have benefitted the old autismo rank grind
it means warrior chads can pve or pvp whenever they want
>debuff limit removed makes dumbasses think they will raid as a shadow priest instead of just having one disc priest go for the debuff?
it means warrior chads will deal a ton more damage now from deep wounds
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>>502797345
>debuff limit removed makes dumbasses think they will raid as a shadow priest instead of just having one disc priest go for the debuff?
No its so people can do pvp and pve, or raids and farm. shadow to farm runes so you can play holycuck in raids. Restodruids would also love being feral for the same purpose.
Fuck dual spec tho.it enables pve cucks to perform better in pvp without the necessary sacrifice
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>>502784305
>>502784578
good thing im not horde then
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>>502797570
i wish i payed the retail anniversary version and it was fucking KINO, we were actually making use of turn ins and using npcs to turn the tides every match lasted a couple of hours and i had a blast in each one
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>>502797778
it could be only available on trainers so you cant just swap on the go
essentially a large upfront cost for stuff people were going to pay for anyway in smaller increments to farm
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>>502797778
>shadow to farm runes
what
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>>502784042
>3 million honor total
my last fucking week from r13 > r14 on 2019 was 2 million it really is free now
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Why are people so convinced there are not going to be OCE servers? I can't find anything about any server locations anywhere on any of the posts about anniversary so far but people seem to be convinced the only servers will be NA East and EU. How does anyone even know this?
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>>502796793
she looks like she fucks orcs
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>>502797998
he solos scholomance like a chad
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CLASS

RACE

FACTION

WHY

POST EM... NOW!!
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its finally time to get my discount r14 gear. i cant wait to clear all the raids and then realize i cant get better gear until Naxx. oh boy!
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>>502796681
really? You guys don't even play together anymore?
Back in my day we always played in /vg/ guilds. I'm not playing this game again if I can't freely say nigger without getting gkicked.
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dual spec is going to be great, people who dont buy gold can finally pvp

you weird old boomers that are mad over dual spec are the gayest retards lmao literally the most dogshit thing about vanilla was respect cost
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>>502798241
human
male
warrior
needs no explanation
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>>502798285
based not like i was getting gear anyway as a warrior
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PvP dual spec chads won

Cope seethe and dilate
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>>502798303
no one needed dual spec to pvp except mages warriors and rogue tho
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>>502798241
paladin
human female
alliance
i want to be manhandled by big strong warriors
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>>502798241
Male Orc Warlock
>why
Because i like it
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>>502798241
WARRIOR
NIGHT ELF
ALLIANCE
COOL
WOW
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>>502798241
nelf hunter
pulling dogs into the raid in molten core
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>>502798303
>>502798338
based us warriors chads can pvp and pve at anytime now i sure hope you werent planning on playing a hybrid cuck lmao
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>>502798313
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I accepted my fate, I’ll play priest and my only purpose will be to heal brown bulls… I kneel
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>>502798680
hot~~
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>>502797998
>>502798141
Dumbasses, its definitly easier to farm satyrs in felwood as shadow than as holycuck
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Race: Human
Body Type: One
Class: Warrior
Specialization: Arms (Big Dick Pumper DPS)
Group: LF2M Tank and Healer (We're all warriors)
Yep.. it's time to game.
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>>502798816
it's definitely easier to spam scholo as a healer with 1-2 guildmates than to go into a designated pvp hotspot and contest mobs as a shit geared spriest
just admit you never actually played vanilla
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>>502798816
>dies to prep rogue #738
great job dumbass
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>>502798241
ORC
FEMALE ROGUE
BECUASE FUCK BROWNIES AND ALLIANCE SCUM I WILL GANK THEM TO DEATH
I spent year on hardcore, clearning naxx and being the ultimate PvE god. Now its time to show you babycore sissies your place.
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>heh im going to be an epic soipriest and do the big wpvp watch this
>*activates shadoe reflector*
>NOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT AGGREND-SAMA TASUKETE
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>>502796793
nice one sis
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Newest pilav video is funny as fuck.
>inb4 some hillbilly in his trailer complaining about ecelebs, when the video makes fun of them
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can you remove people's hard earned buffs? is that still a thing on pvp servers?
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how do you guys setup your chat?
for me:
>one tab for general stuff (lfg, world chat, zone chat, trade chat etc…)
>one tab for party
>one tab for guild
>one tab for raid
>one tab for whispers
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>>502799018
>prep rogue
>MS war
>SL lock
>etc

Can you faggots please stop interchanging entire talent builds with the name of ONE fucking ability? It’s not a “prep” rogue, it’s subtlety rogue or “sub”

It’s not an SL lock, it’s demonology

Fucking retarded niggers
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>>502799018
>>502798984
Isn't the fucking point of shadowpriest exactly to kill those cucks trying to approach you?
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The only based 4chan & /pol/ tier streamer for us!
Rise us Alliance chads!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxflPLeMmyQ
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>>502799259
You're gonna have to put LFG on its own tab. Especially since this is going to be a megaserver, LFG is spamfest.
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where do you think the highest amount of (bio)female players will be? something tells me it may not be pvp.. it may even be hc?
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>>502799279
>kill 1 mob
>now youre oom
>rogue kills you while you drink

lmao
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>>502799339
>trans flags on the wall
i dont think so
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post addon list
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>>502799279
>rogue opens on you with GSPP and reflector while you're drinking
great spec lmao
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>>502799339
>>502799395
>plays as rule63 version of himself
yep
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>>502799383
the only time ive seen a guild full of women was a shitty dad guild that couldnt even clear MC
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>>502799278
It's not a Sub rogue because cb/prep build is 21 / 7 / 21
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>>502798241
human
Male
priest
or
gnome
male
warlock

PvE server cause WPVP is a meme

cant decide which first but I'm going engi mining on both cause goggles and teleports are cool and get even cooler in tbc. You can make your own wand with just 60 linen then drop enchanting so I won't need to pay out the ass for a wand early on in a fresh server

>>502798963
Holy fucking based. make sure you roll on or reserve ashkandi every time you do BWL. Take every piece of leather/mail that's a marginal upgrade/sidegrade also

>>502783821
these fake chinese copypastas are the most reddit thing in classic aside from naming yourself "frostitute" or "____qt" with 4 special characters cause you want the funny xd random name along with 7 other people on the server.
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>>502799471
>>502799395
THAT'S THE ROMAN FLAG! CHUD! HE IS BASED TRUMP SUPPORTER!
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>>502799475
If it's full of women wouldn't that make it a Mom guild?
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>>502799279
you talked about runes and the fastest and easiest rune farm is grouping in scholo as a healer
so we're back to dual spec being a pvp feature? you can easily pvp as a healer and make way more hph
you want to pvp as shadow?
cool, you still need caster raid gear and gdkps are banned
is zg out and you have decent off pieces and maybe blue pvp gear to you can pvp as spriest? good, you should have enough money that 100g/wk in respec costs isn't that much money (or just quit raiding and stay shadow)
dual spec is pointless for healers, it only helps rogues and warriors
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>>502799339
kind of disgusting how all of these WoW channels that built their sub counts regurgitating Wowhead guides since 2019 are just re-releasing the countles guides they themselves already made for the first iteration of classic servers.

I sincerely hope their sub counts fall off and they have to go back to a real job.
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>>502799457
elvui literally does everything for me
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Will I really have no PvE options if I roll Rogue
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All I want is Vanilla, but without Dishonorable Kills.
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wait so this freshfresh is coming out tomorrow? maybe I should resub after all.......
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>>502799630
>dual spec is pointless for healers, it only helps rogues and warriors
B-BUT THATS NOT WHAT REDDIT TOLD ME
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>>502799696
lolwut
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>>502799468
A rogue is willing to spend 5g (or whatever the inflation will bring him to) just to own one shadow priest who will be back one minute later?
>>502799630
Nigga ZG isnt out, you just get blue pvp set
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>>502799696
you wont get invited to any dungeons because the warrior chads dont want gear competition its like playing a dps only warrior with no way to tank
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>>502798241
undead
male
warlock

orc
female
warrior
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>>502798241
druid
night elf
i dont know just how im feelin
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>>502799696
become the expose cuck so warriors dont have to sunder
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it's going to be so much fun shitting on undead players who think my gnome lock is a free hk
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>>502798241
MOHAWK

NIGHT ELF

ALLIANCE

MIND YA DAMN SELF
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>>502799839
*to own one shadow priest that is now getting corpse camped
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>>502799839
if youre going to do bgs then why not actually be useful and heal instead of playing a meme spec?
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>>502799018
hey retard we will all have a pvp spec now so it wont be a big deal
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>>502800093
your pvp spec wont counter 1 shot builds like pom pyro or prep rogue good luck retard
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>Gonna roll PvE
>But don't want to be Alliance
Well this sucks.
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>>502800093
>reddit really believes this
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Best Alliance areas to hang out and socialise?
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>>502799921
or maybe priest instead of lock, fuck idk
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I'm Tank. Where do i find party for 58-60 UBRS....
No one wants to DPS or heal....
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>>502800270
ironforge
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>>502800270
The redridge graveyard
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Best professions for a Nelf Hunter? Skinning worth keeping while leveling?
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>>502800360

5000 Warriors and Rogues want to since Dal'Rends are what you're going to be wearing until AQ if you're unlucky with weapon drops
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>human
>female
>priest
>tailoring
>enchanting
need I say more
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>>502795863
No.
I like how people pretend meta will change in any way when we literally had som proving it'll be the exact same, except warrior will lead with even bigger margin.
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>>502800443
skinning is a bit of a pain on hunter because you're automatically down a bag for your quiver
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>>502800501
everyone gets R14 for minimal effort in P2
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>>502800501
I'm a Tank. No one wants to 54-58 Emperor runs........ No one wants to DPS or Heal....
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>>502800527
but the heckin debuff limit gone. ever heard of corruption buddy?
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how bad is the WotF thing for ally warlocks

given everyone is going to be pvp specced in the open world how do i counter it? also how do i counter rogues?

i actually fucking love wpvp its my favourite part of the game tbqh
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>>502800674
We had this in som baka
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>>502800687
> i actually fucking love wpvp its my favourite part of the game tbqh

Then play horde, dumbass
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>>502800654

It still takes what, 3 months to hit r14? Couple that with the fact p2 is unlikely to be out earlier than late January and you'll probably hit it around AQ release
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>>502800687
Literal non issue
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ranking 3 characters at once is gonna go crazy
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>>502800742
my guild is going alliance

also hordies pvp more so there's more opportunity to wpvp
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Cant wait to pom pyro all over fem hummies
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>>502800687
It's not really that bad because Warlocks are overpowered. And you will outgear all of those rogues you'll have full raid gear while they are in blues because warlocks on alliance get geared very quickly.
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>>502794104
A good Hunter with static stealth on a 10 second CD is incredibly scary in WPvP. You can put your stealth pet on aggressive, AFK on a rooftop in Thousand Needles or Hillsbrad and literally shut down an entire questing hub for hours on end.

They have a troll niche with priests too, Shadowmeld into MC is a classic.
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>>502800549
That's just going to be true no matter what. Maybe I full memed and tailor enchanting while leveling
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>>502800687
you just have to play around knowing your first fear/seduce will be instantly broken. I like casting seduce right before cheap shot ends so you can interrupt their combo, and coil right as they use wotf. then you use EA, CoE and get your grenade ready if they sprint to you with wotf still up.

it doesn't always work out exactly like this but it's just one example.
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>>502801025
this is why i want to play warlock, the potential for high iq gameplay to learn properly sounds class
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>>502800749
I didn't take into account how fast the progression is going to be on these servers but even then we'll likely only be in BWL still
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>>502801025
Use gnomish net projector instead of grenade, as long as it doesnt backfire its a guaranteed kill
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>redditors whenever blizzard adds "QoL" to classic
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>>502800687
It's not bad, you can spam your CC and play around it. With trinkets it becomes a non-issue.

Now alliance priests....
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>>502801425
yeah you have a bunch of options, saving EA for after net gun is good. it really depends on the level you are, before coil it kind of freaking sucks!
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>>502801489
what is EA?
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>>502801489
>>502801425
>needing engineering just to win 1v1 as the strongest 1v1 class in the game
lmao, and pvpshitters have the gall to act high and mighty about being pvpshitters
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>he will play alliance on a pvp server
lol
lmao, even
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It’s crazy that after waiting 5 years and enduring 3 separate classic fresh + changes server launches that we are being deprived of a fresh no changes relaunch.

I’m really sad. This is probably the biggest let down for me in my entire 20 year history of playing the game. My heart actually dropped when I started reading the changes. I just don’t get it. We did SOM we did SOD we did hardcore. Some people just want vanilla, The original game or at least as close as we can get. We just want a refresh. I don’t care if it’s a low pop server. I just want to play the original game without changes that alter the meta.

At this point it feels like I have to give up. Like 5 years later how is this possible? How much longer can I wait for vanilla?

People are going to try to gas light me. Tell me to go back to era. Whatever. We all know what happens next. People are already asking for it. More changes. This isn’t vanilla. This isn’t a re release of the game I love. It’s a bastardization of something that was actually great. It’s devs that are literally butchering the greatest mmo to ever exist because of a bunch of people who sit on Reddit and forums and complain while they are logged into SOD.

I’m hurt. This sucks.
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if i go prot pala
and gonna big herb-alcs for mana pots and elixirs
should i get skinning or enchanting as off profession?
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>>502801663
I like a challenge
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>>502783790
will there be a good guild on eu pvp?
don't want to play with redditrannies and dadgamers
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>>502801663
EU Alliance on PvP servers are crazy motherfuckers, just look a the shit <APES> did.

Don't know how it is on NA.
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>>502801676
This is the most pathetic thing I've ever read. Your childhood isn't coming back, no matter how little changes bro. Go outside. Touch Felgrass.
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>>502801810
i heard apes got farmed in classic
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>>502801804
prob
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>>502801810
>just look a the shit <APES> did.
what did they do?
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>>502801676
Hahahahahahaha what a fucking loser you are
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>>502801745
>if i go prot pala
>>>/vg/wowg
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is there any class, beside mage, that can often pull 2-3 mobs at a time while leveling? or is every class besides mage stuck to fighting single mobs?
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>>502796681
>>502798297
lets make one then
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>>502801971
warriors are such pussies they cant even tank
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>>502801620
engineering
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>>502802017
warlock can level by killing 3 mobs at the same time
1 mob is dotted and tanked by your pet
1 mob is dotted and feared till death
1 mob is dotted and drainlife tanked by you
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>>502801620
escape artist, gnome racial
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>>502801663
Not all of us like to play games on easy mode desu
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>>502802017
paladins can do aoe pulls too once you get seal of wisdom and light
just need to specc into consecrate and have a good shield
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>>502800687
>how bad is the WotF thing for ally warlocks

It fucking sucks big time.

You seduce them when they CS to disrupt their stunlock then try to gain range (which is hard given that you're slowed by poison), then cast Corruption into Fear. Rogue WotF fear and most likely CS you again into Kidney. If you Deathcoil while WotFS is active long enough to cover the next Fear (basically, if it will last for more than 1.5 second) then you will most likely fail to cast it since delaying it means Rogue can Blind or Vanish you or just run up and Gouge/kick. Keep in mind you pretty much only have a single DoT on him and he'll keep hitting you for shitton of damage, unless you run SL. Rogue can also use Engineering (Grenades and Shadow Reflector), which make the whole fight even worse. Your best help will be Limited Invulnerability potions, grenades and Goblin Rocket Helm (this assumes Rogue is not dotted, so it's a different play than the one I outlined). Tidal Charm and Arena Grand Master are bis trinkets but good luck getting those.

Best part about all this? Even if you prepare your gear for a Rogue/have the right demon out, you will get fucked over if you run into a different class (other than Warrior) - Mages, Priests, Hunters will fuck you up big time if you have Succubus. Trust me, I rolled an Alliance Warlock on Gehennas EU and it was painful the two years, no matter how good my gear got.

>the potential for high iq gameplay to learn properly sounds class

Classic is a terrible game for that type of thinking.
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what actually makes horde so much superior to alliance ?
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>>502802347
yes i am aware there are people who have a cuck fetish and get super hard when they get ganked by horde bulls
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>>502802240
>tanked by your pet
this is how you know someone never played lock
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I miss my bpd ex bros, what race/class for the feel on fresh?
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>>502801676
maybe kronos 5 will open. im thinking if this really goes bad that a fresh actual vanilla realm will open on a private server and shit all over blizzards cash grab and show their stupid ass echo chamber shills who wants that dumb crap that no matter how much ppropoganda you put out there to push shit for the idiots to paypig to you, it won't make it work.
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>>502799259
>party whisper guild raid
>everything else hidden
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>>502802448
ally is better in every way
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>>502802098
can you make the blizzard group already so its easier to add people
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>>502802523
same for me, I’ll just make a female char that looks like her and play as that
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>>502800443
skinning to get devilsaur
mining to farm up for engineering
drop skinning to get engi
drop mining to get enchanting after dire maul releases
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Is there a tldr guide on anniversary servers?
I am kinda interested to give it a try as priest
>>
male human warlock
male night elf druid
male troll shaman
the ULTIMATE adventure experience
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>>502802448
Will of the Ancients
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>>502785396
Sure. Redditors are already demanding paladins get a taunt, to make them viable tanks, while unawares that the majority of raid bosses are taunt immune. >>502785504
I demand transmog and multi-person mounts.
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>>502802805
>male
No
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>>502802878
i can't immerse myself as an adventurer if i'm some stupid weak female character
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>>502802485
voidwalker easily holds agro with 2 dots while you drain tank another yourself
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>>502802819
i swear to fucking god if they start making class changes, whatever they are, i'm dropping this shit
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>>502790880
plebbit moderator
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>>502802778
>only one server of each type (pvp pve hc)
>era client with little to no changes (instant mail, debuff cap removed, dual spec)
>forced faction balance on pvp
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Do I need enchanting for jumpies? My master will be disappointed if we don't make the maximum amount of gold per run
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>>502803194
Early on its worth it. Later on vendoring is barely less gold
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>warrior is the only hybrid that doesn’t pay the hybrid tax
What was Tigole Jew thinking?
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>>502803117
Dual spec fixes one of my fundamental issues with the game, so I might stick around.
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what is it with blizzard’s obsession to make warriors the strongest class?
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>>502803293
Since when was warrior a healing class?
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>>502803417
>Warriors sucked in TBC, Wrath and even on Cata
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>>502803293
He got assblasted by shadow knights and paladins too hard in EQ and had to give warriors reparations
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>>502803496
5/10 ragebait
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>>502803429
Hybrid doesn't mean healer. It means two roles. But in vanilla warrior is a healer too with flask set
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>>502802448
Less trannies. Less sperging. Better pvp racials
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>>502803659
Only one of those is true
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>>502803619
Hybrid functionally means healer
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>>502803619
Hybrid stands for healer you dumfuck. Who do Hordecucks have so fucking low IQ?
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>>502801961
>>502802542
>>502801869
>newfag can't tell an obvious copypaste from reddit
why are there so many newfag retards here? i noticed people can't even use reaction images appropriately
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>>502803429
>dps (fury) PvP (arms), tank and diamond flask healing spec
>not a hybrid
Ok
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>>502803746
>>502803852
Does not, open a dictionary. And I already said warrior can heal anyway. Flask set is a thing and these brownies are always needing on healing gear. Cope retards
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>>502803935
>fresh = new influx of players = newfags
don’t have to be a nuclear engineer to figure this out
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>warrior is a heckin hybrid because... BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY???
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>502803978
>502803659
>Horde is filled with low iq third world underages
imagine trying to LBRS with these fuckers
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yet another thread of the ELITE being shitter shattered, i see?
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>>502801810
no its no eu alliance bunch of pussies ive played ally almost every fresh and they suck shit im going horde this time cause im tired of playing with spastics
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>>502804140
really why?
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>>502800181
>>502800234
Still better than being a walking free kill cus no one can afford to respec

dual spec is good for the game cope and seethe all the boomers with your shit opinion can go back to playin era lmao
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>>502804140
gotta be farming av then those bombs hit
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>>502803935
FUCK YOU FOR SAYING THAT OPINION IS OF THE REDDIT-TIER.

Yea i almost want to bail out of joining nu-wow shit and you call me fucking names. fuck yourself.
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>>502804082
>>502804115
how you use 4chan is retarded
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>>502804543
i will bring my laptop/steam deck and a starlink and be fine
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>retail
>cata classic
>era classic
>hc clasic
>sod classic
>fresh classic
this is gonna get worse and worse
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>>502783790
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>>502805010
>wod classic
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Will i find raid spots as a druid healer or should i just give up and go shaman?
I feel like i will have more fun leveling as a druid
but my guild seems to want shamans more
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>502804748
hope you kill yourself nigger
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Absolutely nobody wanted Cata classic and they still did it and now nobody plays it, what was the point?
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>>502805115
You are still using it wrong retard
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>>502805115
meant for >>502804748

>>502804115
meant for
>>502803978
>>502803659
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>>502805160
They wanted mop classic and couldn't just skip cata.
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>>502805105
There is nothing more degrading than playing a shaman. You are literally useless outside of pressing WF and Chain Heal in raids.
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F R E S H
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>>502805681
>prot palas can actually tank and heal
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>>502805160
>was the point?
The same that TBC has and WoD will had, shit filler expansions between the good ones.

>but pandas and lelgion are shit!
Indeed, but nu-WoW zoomies love them.
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>>502805105
Druid healers are so ass, but battle rez is useful, you shouldnt have an issue finding a spot, very few guilds will optimize a 40 man raid team.
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>>502804140
the only way to "win" is to use nukes and xi is gonna hit him up on the phone to quit that shit before he starts
nothing ever happens
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>>502803659
Until TBC comes out and you get literally all the trannies playing Blood Elf
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we are going to get wod, legion, bfa, shadowlands, dragonflight and tww classic at some point in the future. classic is just their name for progression servers that go through older expansions and have them be the current content for the servers.
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>>502805942
They will stop after mop
There is no way they go for WoD
WoD literally killed WoW for a while.
It was like the worst expansion
If blizzard does WoD i will be mind blown at the brainrot
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whats the addon that lets you link items
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>>502806028
They will do WoD to reach Legion.
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>>502805160
I honestly don't understand the Cata hate. It feels mostly the same as WOTLK to me, I don't get how you could "Love WOTLK" but then hate Cata.
If anything I like Cata better because transmog is fun and the dungeons are less gay, WOTLK 5-mans were all trash.
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>>502806174
its something you wouldn't get.
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>>502806174
Let's put it this way. People still remember fondly the OG zones and they hate the revamped cata zones.
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>>502806174
because i'm a fan of warcraft and cataclysm marked the end of it as an interesting fantasy world
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>>502804543
Trump will fix it
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>>502785320
They did 300% exp bonus during season of mastery and it actually felt nice. The game was just a fucking slog to play through again so soon.
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>>502806338
Well it's not like you spend any time in those zones in Wrath anyway. Wrath content sucks so bad I'll probably just stop with TBC desu, even though I never got to play ICC I don't think I can bear doing all those shitty quests and dungeons again to reach it.
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>>502805770
I never said that. The faction specific classes on both sides are miserable in vanilla, paladins simply have the woese rep as the single most insecure class because Little Timmy sees a HOLY WARRIOR and will huff so much copium he actually starts believing that the class outside of Holy is viable. Shamans usually are played by older boomers who shut the fuck and just wanna raidlog and press their chain heal, maybe play the slotmachine sometimes in a BG and get a 1 in 100 triple Windfury Crit and insta-delete a clothie from this world.
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Never played classic, is the 10-19 pvp scene active?
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>>502806475
Chain heal is one of the best feeling spells in the game
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>>502806028
they're just copying what everquest does with their time locked progression servers. there is absolutely no reason to think that after them doing cataclysm that it isn't the plan to just keep going through all the expansions. this lets them continue to recycle content while still giving players something to look forward to.
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>>502806534
About half a year in yeah, plenty of people make 19 twinks to fuck around with. Not on release, too expensive and everyone is rushing to endgame.
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>>502806596
>healing feels good
do females (male) really?
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>all these people bitching about a non issue like dual spec
>completely ignoring how R14 changes are about to completely ruin raiding and BiS
Fucking retards
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>>502806701
good brownie now keep carrying me through scarlet monastery
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>>502806727
>just because I hate [retail shit] means I don't hate [retail shit]
fucking retard
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>>502806727
servers are progressive, r14 gear doesnt come out til AQ. It's not going to matter. All the turbo sweats you were competing with would all have r14 anyways even with the cringe system.
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>>502806727
Now brownies have another way to get gear instead of stealing others gear. Everyone will gear up faster. It's a win-win
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>>502806727
I would really prefer that you got a job and moved out son..
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>>502806942
>r14 gear doesnt come out til AQ
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>vanilia good
>TBC best
>WOTLK good
>Cata boring
>Mop okey
>WoD dogshit
>BfA retarded azerite
>legion people say it was good but it was not
>shadowlands feverdream
>dragonflight soulless
>TWW is this dragon flight 2?
Fuck this game
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>me at level 24 arriving in Southshore ready to skullfuck every UD mage I see
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>>502806727
its going to be prebis molten core + onyxia and bwl before you got the golden clowns running around and by then the game is over as you do your zul gurub rep and finally AQ40 once or twice and quit the game
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>>502806727
>about to completely ruin raiding
Not having your future gear held hostage by rng and shitbag raid leaders is a bad thing now?
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>>502806727
even with the changes it still takes bare minimum 8 weeks, only starting when phase 2 drops, and the time investment for the last few weeks will be too huge for casuals and they'll be mindbroken from av spam. If they decide to just wait until av weekend to grind hard that still only happens once a month, meaning by the time they'll get it we will probably be in AQ40 or naxx.
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>>502807318
You don't go to Southshore until level 30
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>>502806727
r14 wont be here until bwl
and you still need to raid for shit like onslaught/qsr/dft, even if you're a pvp chad you're fucked if you dont raid. you can kind of cope before aq40 but afterwards lmao
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>>502808220
why tf would anyone wanna play that long? games ends at aq40
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>>502808346
because i need you to queue into BGs so i can one shot you with my MoM
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>>502808346

Because this fresh is also a waiting room for TBC
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>>502806918
Dual spec was widely praised since it was released day 1 of its creation. Shut the fuck up you faggot.
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>ask for fresh
>complain about shit on reddit
>get aids changes introduced
>quit at level 40
>cry some more on reddit
>come back for tbc
>get even more cancerous shit added
>quit again in hfp
>do it all again for wrath
>and the first meme season
>and the second meme season
>start over
r-reddit sama... i kneell....
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>>502808346
Naxx comes after aq40
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PVE server looks DoA
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asmongoldsama... please save us.
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>>502808876
Horde PvPers can't play for the first month and since they are crybabies that don't want to fight vs horde racials themselves they might as well just roll horde PvE, it'll happen.
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Why the fuck do we have so little info on whats going on 2 days before launch?
Fucking billion dollar company go make a tweet for fucks sake.
My hype is dying because blizz is waving red flags and giving no in depth info around them. I already trust this company less than a convicted pedo as it is.
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Redpill me on ele shaman. Is that shit even remotely viable and do they benefit from no debuff cap?
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>>502808876
big facts
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>>502809234
>do they benefit from no debuff cap?
A little bit. They can use flameshock now at least.
> Is that shit even remotely viable
It is if you are healing in the 30/0/21 spec.
Ele shaman has big mana problems in pve still though
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>>502809234
they are really good in tbc
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>>502808876
i mean obviously what kind of fucking dork would play vanilla on a pve server
also the obvious fomo problem where if it looks event slightly doa you're heavily incentivized to go pvp before the schizos start camping leveling zones
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>>502808876
then I'll go down with the ship, I'm not playing pvp again.
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>>502809509
That's how my friends feel and I'm only considering playing at all because they're pestering me to join them.
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>>502809331
>It is if you are healing in the 30/0/21 spec
No shaman for me then, at least as a main. I was healing for the entirely and wanna try something new. Might as well just roll warlock/hunter for comfy.
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>>502808876
It will have more players than PvP though. Forced faction balance means horde will be stuck in char creation / que 99% of the time.
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>Blizzard gave you dual spec instead of this
top jej
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>>502808783
by retail and wrath niggers, do you think i care what retail and wrath niggers think when i want to play a version of the game that is specifically marketed as "vanilla" ?
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can y'all stop?
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>>502808876
PvE had more votes on the reddit poll for what server everyone prefers, plus hc dead characters automatically go to PvE
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>>502810094
nigger
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>>502810094
i have an important announcement
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The PVP server's discord is so full of energy and character, whereas the PVE one is so dry, boring, and full of fags
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>>502810094
just play on EU with the extremely weird unmoderated racist people who are also transsexuals
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>>502810094
Sigh... Ya'll need to chill with the racism -.-

Edit: THANKS FOR THE UPVOTES KIND STRANGERS!!

Edit2: WOA! THIS REALLY BLEW UP OVERNIGHT!

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Edit4: Okay I just woke up, I'm seeing ya'lls arguing in the comments about something racist I said 2 years ago when I was drunk, ya'lls really dug that up about me well I have to say I yes I did say I hate niggers but it was a joke. Can ya'lls just CHILL???? You sound like a pack of fucking wild niggers.

Edit5: Okay I have just been informed by the moderation team that they have confiscated my reddit gold, so thanks a lot for reporting me whoever it was... SIGH.....
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>>502810094
wow i don't think any of that is even english
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>>502810368
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>>502791607
They're either trolling or retarded anon. Prob a mix of both. If that was true it would be the #1 thing talked about on every forum, yet this mental illness warren is the obly one
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>>502791607
the buff limit refers strictly to the restriction of buffs a player could have. i remember on original classic release our warriors would screech on discord very loudly if someone accidentally gave them thorns or something because it could knock off a world buff.
nothing to do with druid stuff sadly.
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>>502810368
A Shakespearean rise and fall. A true tragedy. The cost of hubris.
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>>502791607
Druids are still shit
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stop all this arguing and rate my UI instead
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>>502810880
>leveling guide
GO HOME GAMER GURL
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>>502810880
looks default except with a massive chat frame and the unit frames pinching your ass
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>>502788225
are you a navajo indian
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I need to set up wow on my ‘eck so I can play on the plane when I return from vacation. Any addons I need other than console port?
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>>502810880
>RXP
At least get MinimapButtonButton anon
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>>502810880
quite uncomfy
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For all the “effort” that went into Alliance questing, Horde questing is far faster and more centralized. Alliance bounces you back and forth between Westfall, Loch, and Darkshore. Super inefficient. Also the SM run lmao.
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>>502811514
what’s your point
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>>502810880
>rxp
>titanpanel
>sovless action bars
>bad unit frame position
5/10, at least you can tell it's a classic wow UI
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>>502810880
what were you thinking??
Why are your unit frames in the middle of the screen and why tf do you have a leveling guide?
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>>502811514
yeah we've known this for 20 years
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>>502810880
1. there's no reason to see dps. even when raiding. only the threat window is useful.
2. turn off rxp leveling guide shit. you have to be an actual robot to follow that soulless garbage.
3. download https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ealignclassic and lower your hp and target ui frames another inch or two.
4. make your chat smaller.
5. get rid of that DOG SHIT unnecessary screen clutter addon at the top.
6. download https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/minimapbuttonbutton/files/5888316 and organize your minimap clutter holy FUCK.
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What's gonna happen to the pvp server in 8 months
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>>502811868
why 8 months?
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>>502811868
It'll be 45 Alliance 55 Horde and any Alliance meat exiting a city will be immediately anally obliterated on sight because all the NoShoes are in BG queue.
So, the usual.
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>>502811802
>there's no reason to see dps. even when raiding. only the threat window is useful.
spoken like someone who isnt a BIG DICK PVMPER BLASTERGOD
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Can't decide between going shaman because I'm a shaman at heart or alliance priest because it'll have more people on a PvE server.
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>>502810880
you are wasting a ton of space which on a small resolution is bad, but i think even in full hd you can afford to slot rxp under the quest list especially if you truncate it, there's no real reason to keep quest list open if you use rxp
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>>502812018
perfection
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>>502798241
HUMAN

FEMALE

WARLOCK

Any EU anons wanna make a loose and spontaneous group to be in contact with? NOT A GUILD
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the guild is going NA PvP Alliance, right?
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>>502812018
So are PVP servers just Horde safe spaces and PVE is the Alliance one? I should probably figure out what faction I'm playing so I don't make the wrong choice
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>>502812207
yes sis, we’re fagging it up on alliance
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>>502812237
no because they will lock you from making a horde character cause its forced balance
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>>502812079
you wont even make it to SM Armory
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>>502812090
>1440p
>playing with everything on low
i mean it's slightly betterer i guess than the other abomination
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>>502812141
I can make an EU channel/group if others are down, just to shoot the shit while questing. Are you rolling PvE or PvP? I wouldn't mind running dungeons with a lock, summon and cookies could come in handy. Don't think Dudu and lock have much gear competition outside of a staff once in a while. Can tank/heal blablabla
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EU PvP Alliance Guild?
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>>502812141
>EU
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Playing wherever my master wants
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Should I renew my subscription and try Classic Classic or just try that Warmane progression realm for free
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>>502812632
>water detail: low
sovl
and unironically looks better at distance, fits the artstyle better
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>>502812141
Me. Also i need some one to summon me to SM to tank the Dungeon.
>>502812645
Do it already.
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>>502812812
you know the true way
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>>502812804
If you play Warlock to be my Summonslut i will solo DM for you.
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>>502812717
Yeah no nigs or mexicans thanks. Turkroaches for some leveling kebabs tho
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>>502812645
Rolling on PvP Maki340 on discord if you wanna coordinate this
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>>502809840
both suck, what you posted is miles worse. refrain from doing it again
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>>502813013
>no nigs ore mexicans
buddy you've got significantly more inferior cultures there and no tamales
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>>502812841
Kk ill make a wowseegee group on release or early morning next day. Depends how congested and fucked the launch at 11 PM is.

>>502813073
Ill add you.
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>>502812986
I heal.
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>>502813216
Even better.
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>>502812830
you are right the water does look better on low
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I kinda want to do a chudpriest nelfie
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>>502813295
whole game looks best the number 3 graphics settings imo
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as EU i like my fellow scandinavians, hate mainlanders because they almost never speak english, and like anglos because they do.
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>>502811721
that is literally the perfect unit frame position you pleb
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Do you guys use the curseforge client shit for addon downloads? I always used to manually install everything but during classic an addon might update 4 times a week so I said fuck it and used the client back then
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i will don the dress and i will enjoy it. name my healslut paladin. serious names only
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>>502813621
I find scandnavian players the most insufferable
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>>502813869
Why? They always speak english unlike g*rmans or fr*nch
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>>502813860
There was an open source manager called WoW UP but it was killed by Amazon (who own curseforge) so now you're basically forced to install their malware or manually install your addon 5 times per day.
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Rolling Alliance for the first time ever

What am I in for?
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>>502813569
im diggin 10 but with ground clutter and water set to low 4x anisotropic
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>>502814065
Fucking hell, ofcourse
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>>502814086
big meaty purple thighs
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>>502814086
comfy sailing until 30
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>>502814086
Lots of whining, more shitters overall but the top 20% are better than the entirety of Horde players.

Do not invite dwarf hunters or human male Ret Paladins in your dungeon unless you want guaranteed drama.
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>>502813862
aubreykate
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Is HC worth it, or just streamer meme mode? Like did someone here ever raid in HC?
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>>502814225

Alliance levelling starts to suck as early as 22, this is where you usually go to Wetlands and farm respawning gnolls for a level or two
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How do I get my friend to healslut for me. I can't play warrior without freedom.
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>>502814485
Ya probably gonna have to suck their dick for real
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>>502814485
Forget about him and let me do it
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>Fresh dummies unironically choosing to play casters
>With partial resists still in the game
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ENJOY LOSING 25% OF YOUR DAMAGE WITH THERE BEING LITERALLY NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT
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>>502814424
only if you fuck up the redridge/westfall/duskwood combination
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>>502814303
it's worth it if you already know vanilla like the back of your hand and you think you have a good chance of completing the challenge
it's retarded to even try if you're unfamiliar with vanilla
the entire point is to add tangible stakes to a game you've otherwise been steamrolling for 20 years
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>>502814303
HC is always fresh there's no need to roll for it instantly. If you've no interested in normal classic then go for it, and no I didn't raid in it but the leveling is the most fun part I think.
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>>502814010
maybe he's russian. we are all extremely racist toward russians.
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I still don’t understand the point of fresh hc servers
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>>502814529
damn...
>>502814536
sorry, anon I really love my friend, and we beat many games together already. The question is how I get him to heal slut for me.
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>>502812207
Night dumping a stinky hot sloppy log down my throat while i jerk off
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Fun two man levelling combo that isn't Warrior Priest?
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>>502814424
>>502814086
30-40 is either gonna suck for you or be the most kino of times. personally i love desolace. it's always comfy late at night after wagies to go sleep and i can just take in the ambiance. ferelas is another one that is slept on by allies. it's another one of those half finished zones that feel janky as alliance, but for me its comfykino.

post 40 is just kino regardless of faction since you get south stv+tanariskino
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>>502814086
You remember that one quest in stromgarde with the sigils and shits? How fucking ass it is as a group because you usually kill things faster than they can respawn?
The alliance has that quest too except you have one or two in every fucking zone instead of every 10 levels.
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Male Human Warrior here (BLACK SKIN) taking healslut applications.
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>>502814885
Shame.. but you're nice to not ditch your friend. Healing isn't that interesting for most people so I'm not sure how you'll convince him though. PvP healing is a bit more fun I guess?
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>>502814734
Russians aren't human though so it's not really racism.
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IM SO FUCKING EXCITED FOR FRESH GUYS SO EXCITED IM LEVELING EVERY DAY ON HC SERVER JUST BECAUSE
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>>502815030
Warrior shaman
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>>502815030
Dudu/rogue.
Priest/Rogue.
Paladin/rogue.
Shaman/Warrior.
Paladin/Mage.
Priest/Dudu.
Dudu/Mage.
Dudu/Warlock.
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>>502813862
Maria go away
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>>502815030
Druid + rogue is GOAT.
Quests turn into assassination missions where you can skip all the trash, godlike wpvp with stealth. Can tank and spank elites easily, coordinating your stuns the druid can tank and heal at the same time. Having the druid makes getting dungeon groups going easy. Late game you can farm dungeons together like tribute runs, BRD, LBRS etc.
Its seriously the best combo by a mile.
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>>502815030
Human Male Warrior
Human Male Paladin
The ultimate BRO team.
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>>502814536
You belong to me.
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>>502815340
How the heck does a rogue and druid do Tribute?
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>>502815052
for me its the goblin racetrack at shimmering flats
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okay im just gonna say it paladong is the most reddit class there is. The fact its loved by redditcucks and 4chuds speaks volumes.
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>>502815521
Well strictly speaking the druid can solo it, the rogue just speeds things up.
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>>502815521
Stealth up to the locked door, sap one, blind the other, seaforium the door, Rogue vanishes. Then just let the Rogue nuke the boss with CD's while the druid heals.
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>>502814065
wowup still works
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Where do find Gatherer2 that works and the full database.
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>>502815114
>Healing isn't that interesting for most people so I'm not sure how you'll convince him though. PvP healing is a bit more fun I guess?
The problem is, I can't force him, if he doesn't want to play healer he probably wants to play dps as well, and I can understand him. I have to look for a good healslut paladin for my fem human warrior.
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>>502815572
Only ret. Holy paladins are based and a credit to team, dwarf hunter scores higher in the redditor scale but it's not like the average huntard is much better so people overlook them and just assume every hunter is a clicking boomer or woman.
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>>502815030
hpalla warlock. i've leveled this combo once and we literally NEVER stopped truckin n fuckin. it has so many tools and you never have to stop. plus we both got free mounties.
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>>502815706
It does? Shit I remember getting a pop-up during Wrath that they were forced to abandon the project over legal stuff.

Gonna check it out.
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>>502815824
it got all weird when curseforged changed their API, but I think now WoWUP just has to show ads if you use the curseforge client. But a lot of addon devs got angry about curseforge being gay so now most are hosted on wowuphub
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>>502813860
>>502814065
>>502815824
WowUp.io CF
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>>502814297
>aubreykate
thats great, im gonna use that one. thanks anon
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>>502815808
Well I already offered up anon. But see what happens first if he changes his mind or something, there's still a few days left before launch. I didn't finalize thinking things through yet but femhuman paladin (holy) and nelfie rogue or druid is what I'm currently thinking.
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>>502813860
I used to manually install everything too, but I do indeed just use CurseForge now. I've yet to need an addon that isn't installable from the browser itself, and I don't believe I had to make an account with Curse to get it running either. It's very convenient.
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>>502814261
Why the dwarf hunter slander? Have we moved past the legolas elf huntard stereotype?
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Where are you guys rollling? PvE or PvP? NA or EU? Thinking about just rolling on a comfy PvE server. I don't ever enjoyed wpvp, and I've played this game since 2004.
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>>502815572
You say this, but one of us has a wojak folder and the other one doesn't
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>>502816440
EU
PvP
Alliance
Human
Paladin
Protection
Simple as.
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>>502816361
Yeah I didn't make an account and rejected all data theft shit you can opt out of. I'll open it once a week at best or I might honestly uninstall it after a few weeks, it's usually just a few select addons that update often anyway, it's mostly nice for the installation process
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F R E S H

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>>502816531
>>502816531
>>502816531
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>>502816346
Are you NA or EU? I need to think about that. Maybe I asked you tomorrow to drop your bnet.
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>>502816440
NA. I'm doing PvP this time since I've only played PvE and Hardcore in the past.
I'm gonna play Holy and do Engineering.
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>>502816440
EU PvP but I play a stealth class.

I have a feeling with duel spec PvP servers are going to become a bloodbath and I'm all for it, raiding bores me tears and the real fun is in suddenly seeing 70 noshoes ride at you, making it out alive or even culling one of their lone healers.
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>>502788721
same, they remind me of myself
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>off-topic tranime OP image
Somebody just make a new one jfc
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If there's any oil prince reading this and they wanna give me 100k usd to quit my job for a year so i can play this i totally won't say no haha
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>>502816587
EU but not dealbreaker I suppose, bit higher ping if need NA, new account is the bigger annoyance since would need a new copy of the game, or did classic just require sub? I forget
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>>502816440
PvP because it's part of the experience, even when it's annoying.

Alliance because I did Horde last time.
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>>502816731
I'm EU as well. Yea, I'm thinking about your offer. I have some other options. I'm also not sure if I will hardcore nerd classic again. I did that last time.
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>>502809045
>Horde PvPers can't play for the first month
Why not?
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>>502816440
nothing unless rp-pvp gets added
alliance rogue
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>>502816731
>did classic just require sub? I forget
Yup, you only need to pay a sub to play Classic. Unfortunately this also means there's no free trial for Classic.
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>>502816440
NA PvE
Orc Shammy
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>>502816729
damn is this pic real thats epic if it is
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>>502817318
it's real. the former presidents went band for band and then smoked hella lound in front of a camera man trapped in their bulletproof hotbox
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Do layers help with things like the alliance defias quest in stormwind where you have to watch behind a tree for the spybot?
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not playing until they add spells learning automatically when you lvl up
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i want this to be me
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>>502818634
esl seethe is always so funny, and I say that as an esl
one of the perks of eu raiding
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F R E S H I E
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How's your judaic fresh going goys? What more changes will you tolerate?
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>>502815052
The only part of 40 that really sucks is a level and a half worth of exp missing even in a good route
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>>502816440
ud mage eu pvp
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>>502818634
I also want this to be you
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>boomoids don’t even download dmg meters
If you’re never at the top I guess that makes sense
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>*bottlenecks your leveling guide*
Nothing personnel
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>>502817520
joe blow smokes hella chief, trump can hold his own but damn that nigga been smokin
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>>502814485
I wish these were real



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