Young Hag Edition>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to give feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/11-21-2024-update.47476/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be autistic.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, play bot matches.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlocked.wiki/https://liquipedia.net/deadlock/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHcThreadlocked: >>503305825
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Is it me or Infernus feels weaker this patch ? The nerf to healing and anti-heal (especially toxic bullet) seems to affect him a lot. Maybe im just bad with him though, he's not my main
How many wins is it between ranks?
>>503409631No pubes? Needs a pube edit. Pube status? Where are the pubes? Pube bros...
sopping wet gargoyle pussy
>>503410015i got banned for posting her with pubes
>>503410034
>>503410015off yourself
>>503410250catbox? Although I think I know what image you're talking about
>>503410341hags for lifehttps://files.catbox.moe/8v2l8x.jpg
>>503409975he becomes good at 70 minute markjust trust me bro, afk farm more
THIS is what calico should be...
https://voca.ro/1bA5b3FTy5ZnHonestly the character interactions are gonna be god tier. I already love what we have so far but you just know that this game is gonna get an autistic following because of how charming the cast is.Compared to overwatch, I genuinely cringe or fall asleep listening to their preround chatter.
benis in bagina :DDDD
anyone up for hero labs
The real tragedy of Infernus is that we will never get a flamethrower character because he takes up the afterburn niche
>>503412284yeah lets rock anon
>>503412329there's already multiple poison characters. I don't see why there can't be multiple afterburn characters.
>>503412416“LET’S GO” - InferniggusFKRXJ
today I will not feed in the heroes lab and everybody will praise me
drunkhouse, assemble!!!
>>503412827You will get many commends and (You)’s I’m sure of it4/6FKRXJ
Do you think we'll get any quality sentence mixing out of this game?
>>503412329tokamak has a flamethrower you retard and it even does more damage if he builds up heat before using it
>>503413012yeah just give it some time
>>503413036>He thinks Tokamak will make it into the final game.Anon, I...
I always commend every teammate inhouser
Sex with Abrams
>>503413007my game is updating pls...
>mcniggers seething about losing laneyou love to see it
>>503414130explain why without mentioning his design
one more for viper's buckbreaking clinic!FKRXJFKRXJFKRXJ
>>503414917I love himbos
>>503409751no, because it means I could end up playing deadlock
>>503415381himbo describes his design and personality, wrongalso he's not stupid like himbos are
>>503415629>not stupid>literally fucks up his wish to the patron in the vn
>>503414130Foid post.
@503414917>what's 2 + 2? and no 4 is not a valid answer!not giving you a (yew)
>>503414917>>503415785
join hero labs or I might cryFKRXJFKRXJ
>>503416115no
Potatobros, has the recent update made performance better or worse for you guys? Mine is way worse and I'm trying to figure out how to improve it. I guess I'll update chipset/GPU drivers first..
amazing how trapper is just a dogshit character who relies completely on how idiotic the enemy is running into him
>>503416154pls...
>>503416428loading give some time
UPDATE FUCK
was wrecker's model always so femininely shaped?
>>503416428nah fuck you
>>503416726It's just paradox.
CQF1Cnew herolabs code
>>503413007make new party pls
ouch ouch getting shot by haze hurts now
>>503416814More like paradog...
where our 6th
>>503416881STOP THE QUEUE
>every game is a complete shitstomp because urn fights turn into a free boss killabsolutely braindead reversion.
>>503417305You lost your spot big guy
>>503417413zamn my shitbox got cucked by the update
>>503417005Man, I wish Ivy was like this
dead game ahh queue times
Honestly, I don't think I like urn being back at middle. I'm so used to the marathon you have to run to deliver it. And because it's so long you can almost always try to intercept it if you want. And if someone wins an urn fight they can INSTANTLY do boss.I'm not sure how important urn should really be. It's not inherently fun to engage with.
>>503417758the urn mechanic completely smacks of "this will make for exciting e-sports streams!" dogshit and any fun or strategy to be had is second fiddle. I loathe it.
SwoleBenji
>>503417005>paradogIf only
Yamato feels like such ass to play now, any good Yamabros want to explain what the hell I'm supposed to do with her ult now? I feel like I'm just putting a target on my back if I pop it.
>>503418518I didn't mean literally...
>>503418809bait
If you play Hero Labs you are an actual subhuman killing the game. Play ranked like a normal person or fuck off back to Tranny Fortress 2
i hate gunsgame desperately needs a demoman / proper projectile character
>>503417005>that drow vindictaSE XSEX SSEX SEXO SEX
I dont understand wrecker
>win match>enemy team gives you commends>you don't give commends back
>be paradox>die to yamato>want to limit test what I can do before headhunter, boost on them and proceed to die again>get teabagged for the full duration of my death screenfuck you
is there a current herolabs party?
>>503422530Yeah, we mentioned it in the discord, bro
(You) are an irritating person
(You) being haze players
>>503418809Use it to kill someone and not as an emergency get out of jail free card every time you fucked up because of your shit decisions.
>failed to reach 50k on a sundayoh-uh
>>503418809see enemyenemy engages on youpress 4fight enemyuse it to buff yourself when fighting someone, not to save yourself.
Damn, silencer absolutely slap
CQF1Cwe got spots if you wanna herolab it up gamers
>>503422530last code in the thread should still work
I'm convinced melee is just going to get scrapped at some point. I don't think it will ever be salvageable, it's either going to be irrelevant due to repeated nerfs or busted because the reactability is so wonky. Time and time again it is patched and either gets worse or remains buggy. Giving up on something difficult to balance or execute properly is the Valve thing to do
>>503424718There's no way that melee is going away.
>nearly every toon is just a human, with a gunboring
>>503424718melee is as it is. I like it, it adds a dynamic to gameplay and gives characters a build path and something for them to work into the game. As it currently stands, it feels really wonky though. When I get a parry off in lane and win the fight because of it, it feels fucking amazing. When I clearly parry, get melee'd, and lose -- I wanna fucking scream.
Wtf why are there humans in New York City
>>503425054If it was realistic, everyone would be rats.
>>503424350I have some work to do rn but I will play later/ soon!
>>503425153The molemen ate them all, lorelet
Deadlock's developers are killing the game on purpose because they got bored of having to work on it.
Rat hero when??????
I like when a Molachill or Bebop hide behind terrain in lane and kind of shuffle back and forth as either part of their fuckhuge hitboxes are getting plinked by random shots
>>503421365I actually really like their current setup. Things to remember:>Early game bread and butter is your 3. I personally like to start with it up, some people say start 2 for sustain but you really can't kill anything that way because your gun really sucks at first. But either way, the unlock order is absolutely those two first>you definitely need a little bit of early Gun building so clearing creeps isn't absolute torture, but the #1 thing to remember is to always look for a chance to tap them with your 2 at the end, even if you don't need the heal, because it gets your 3 charges up>build to maximize charges so you have 4-5 of them, build mobility, so you can abuse the fuck out of dumping all your charges fast, if they're escaping you can try and grab them with 2 to polish it off but only when they're in a pretty open area>on that note, maxing 2 quickly means your charges are basically ALWAYS up - you get one charge per enemy killed with it, which means the +2 targets gives you 3 total charges every time you run through a camp>1 can be an excellent tool but the hitbox is really unforgiving, you usually want to set it up around corners and throw point blank to maximize, bring knockdown to chain stuns>Getting 4 as nasty as possible is the end goal, you can definitely catch people in 1v1s with it but it can be a killer teamfight finisher if you jump in from an unseen angle
>>503421365neither do the devs
Why does ever game have a rage quitter now?
>>503426115Because they completely ass fucked matchmaking, there's zero reason to be playing right now.Valve accomplished the impossible and somehow made an alpha get worse as time went on.
>>503426352>accomplished the impossible cmon now
>>503426352It's super fun to noob smash.
>>503411757>Viscous: Hello!>Seven: Oh God it's talking to me
>>503426352read >>503425361
>>503425465jokes on you we're just doing that to waste your ammo.
Oh man watching a friend play Deadlock, low MMR really is something. Just saw a Pocket ult to clear a medium camp (still took him like 30 seconds after too)
>>503428031Oof.
CQF1Cneed 2 for herolabs
>>503428031Yeah, after 500 hours, watching my brother play for the first time was baffling. Enemy geist using ult at like full health, haze ulting the guardian, EVERY game having a leaver
Make it 3CQF1C
>>503419649infernus
>>503428324gimme 3 mins
i honestly prefer quicksilver lash, there is too much spirit resist niggers in this patch so hybrid is better than cold front icbm
>>503425016I love the melee mechanic. It feels like a fighting game mechanic in a MOBA fps. If you play fighting game, you kinda understand how to play with it better
>>503428956Cold front just make farming so nice and characters who can instantly get in enemy(Yamato, Abram, lash, pocket, etc,...) benefit greatly from it.
is it me or yamato feels kinda dogshit right now?the ult feels so bad to use
>>503429189you usually need extra spirit for cold front, so it takes like 2 spirit slots. i usually go early mystic reach + quicksilver for epic early game trickstrikes.farming with quicksilver is also easy because you get like 150 damage on 3rd + reload
>>503429408You don't need the raw spirit items for cold front on yamato, she already has mostly all in on spirit items, you get more than enough
>>503429356she does feel really bad right now
>>503428324>>503428778I joined and everyone is 'unknown', did you guys start a game? I don't wanna sit around idling again for 20 minutes
>>503429408I buy quicksilver for range/gun character but I use cold front for close range. I don't think you "need" extra spirit for cold front, but even if I get it, I don't really get tied up in purple slot until it is time to get T3 (by then I usually have flex slot for it if needed)
>>503411470based furbro
>>503429812I'm gonna close the game for now and assume you're in a match
https://streamable.com/aiq3ff>Heh, you see that shit?
>>503430136Classic infernig player running straight until 4 enemy players at nearly full hp alone
>>503430125were in a match, should be about ~15 minutes
>>503423856its getting harder and harder to justify gambling 45min of my life for only a small chance at having a actual good time in deadlock when i could be playing something else
>downloading replay>get to 98%>this replay is not ready to be downloadedwell why the fuck not
>>503431556I'm bready
>>503433345They seem to be out of match now.
need 1 more for herolabsCQF1C
>>503433598full?
>>503418518Big upgrade
>>503425407Like, an actual rat that's akin to Oddjob and hard to hit?
>>503409631What /dlg/ players think about lol? I never played any moba yet but wanna try it
>game keeps putting me on solo lanes vs corny dogshit like Yamato, Bebop and Lash>I try to trade lanes but nobody responds to the request>my entire lane phase is miserable as shit cause I don't play the corny solo lane cheese heroes
>enemy Ivy swaps out of solo lane since I'm playing VindictaUnderstandable>but he swaps with a Mo and KrillWhy?
>>503435318why what? mokrill is good at sustaining himself.
>>503436816Seemed like it was bad for him because he died twice in lane and never recovered the entire game.
>>503435053Heroes of the Storm is the best MOBAThey just ignored all that gay item shit and made the entire game balanced around constant nonstop BROOLING
>>503437064>tf2trannies are still coping over their dead game filled with bots
NEED 1 FOR HEROLABSCQF1C
>>503437036Securing CS is just busywork and the point of objectives is to force interaction. HotS got it right.
ggs bros
>>503437036HotS was better for non-sweaty shit than LoL but hardly the best. it did have the absolute best concepts for moba heroes: cho'gall and abathur.
>>503435053>wants to install ching chilling spywaresorry anon it's too late for you
>>503437629I don't ask tranoidfortress vermin opinion, just /dlg/ folk
>alpha they fuck shit up in on a weekly basis to see what sticksthe game will likely be oscillating between "good" and "dogshit" up until its full release. in five years 'I was eternus in the alpha' will likely not mean jack shit outside of waving your dick around at newfags. at this point actual criticism and forum feedback is the most important thing, there's no reason to be constantly bitching as though you've been playing the game for years. there are so few situations now where you get to actually get in the devs' ear and have them at least try something stupid, either go yell at them about it and try to get things fixed or shut up and ride the rollercoaster.
>>503438193You're just pointing out the obvious you know.
@503437875LoL being owned by a chinese megacorporation and installing a kernel-level anti-cheat software aren't opinions stupid nigger. I award you no (you)s
>>503438193>actual criticism and forum feedback is the most important thingkek they barely listen to anyone in the forums anymore, shit's uselessthey go directly to streamers and pros now, which is why every patch for the last like 3 months has been abhorrent dogshit
>503437875/dlg/ is made up of chadfortress players though
>>503438256clearly not because it's the exact same shit constantly that seems to be ignoring this
>>503409631Real shit fellas, just played my first game as shiv. Does he have the most braindead ult out of the cast?>Ui always active>very clear indication when in kill%>T3 makes it to where it recharges if you kill someone with it>>>>even if you get an assist, as long as you press the button when its redIve read people talk about it and theyre like>UHM sweety why arent you managing your health around shiv, its ur faultAnd sure, thats true if youre directly fighting him but what about when i just waltz into a team fight and youre dead before you even realize im there because i have pressed the buttonIts not even that fun for me, lmao i dont think im going to keep playing himIm genuinely surprised he isnt top killing every game, are shiv mains just dog shit?
>>503438549People here are just mentally ill bro.
>>503438593i thought killing with it always refreshed it like with axe
>>503438549
>>503438593>Im genuinely surprised he isnt top killing every game, are shiv mains just dog shit?He has no cc and can only deal damage up close, meaning he's pretty reliant on his team to initiate fights and actually contribute, so he tends to either top kill every game or die a lot and get nothing done.
@503438593eventually when you get out of wood league you'll run into people that buy healbane or active items that thoroughly rape your bootyhole. for what it's actually worth though shiv was recently buffed and shiv's design is a "feast or famine" situation. if you started playing him a week ago you would rightfully say he was dogshit.tl,dr: your opinion is ignorant. I award you no (you) because it was probably a bait post anyway
>tencent shill seething he got exposed>>took it personalESL
>I will continue to write monologues to demonstrate how wrong the boogeyman is.
>>503438993To be fair the recent buffs pretty much only make his early game stronger which admittedly help him a ton but don't exactly make him overpowered like he used to be.
>I am getting perma dived by like 3 people every fight cause my team is a bunch of Call of Duty brained sped gorilla niggersI hate FPS coons so much, making this game remotely palatable to FPS/TPS incest spawns was a fucking mistake. It just attracts retards that don't play a MOBA game like a MOBA game and think it's meant to be playing like Overslop or something and just tunnel vision anything with low HP or whatever is immediately in front of them. Meanwhile the entire enemy team is playing like it's an actual MOBA and the FPS-brain addled retards wonder why half the team is dead and why they're eventually getting collapsed on by 6 people as they're chasing random shit.
Is bebops bomb scaling brokenI feel like sometimes numbers don't go up when get stacks
Tonight's been rough lads. I don't know if I can keep going until I get a win.
Gun builds all play the fucking same.
>>503440367Gun Vindicta and Gun Abrams play the same way?
>>503440431Yes. You just hold M1 and win.
>>503440532I feel like you're skipping a few steps.
>>503440532call of duty is the same as playing soldier in tf2
I recently played this game again after a month of not playing and players got so good so quickly
>>503440612yeah but you can make soldier tf2 wear different hats
>>503440664barely a month ago people ive played against were not even denying creeps
>>503440431Well they are both blue
>I'm gonna throw the book at em!pfft, who wrote this shitty dialogue?
>>503409631
>>503440054hang in there fren
>>503440750you can be a dragon in cod
>>503441380You can be saxton hale in tf2
>>503441253>stealing the new features from fortnite again
>>503441883>this is real
alone again on a saturday night, anon? shit posting instead of playing deadlock because you hate it now? not me.
>>503442098I don't hate it, I just got ranked way higher than I was and now I have to stress every game.
Shoot someone in lane for 10 minutes without either of you dying10 minutes is an inane amount of time to be shooting someone in the face and have nothing happen, it doesn't feel good psychologically, its torturousThen their team mate comes in and kills you, or your team mate comes in and kills them (it was all meaningless)or its ended gay an ultHow is this not the worst game ever made? Like perfectly designed to be boring and annoying
>>503438901>>503438593Shiv is a braindead character but he is extremely dependent on his team to do the brainwork for him. The team composition has to be just right and his teammates have to be playmakers to allow shiv to feast. Otherwise, shiv has very little play malong ability other than baiting the enemy players with his tankiness.
Entire game is literally solved.>Pick any character.>Type "MikaelS" into the public guide search>Instantly win with top farm and best kda.Lmao.
>>503442259why don't you pop on an alt so you don't have to sweat?
>teammate is solo wraith vs haze>somehow managing to lose lane>I decide to rotate over there constantly as ivy to tilt the shit out of haze>game ends with wraith 45k nw vs haze 27kfelt good
>>503442446I don't think it's fair to others.
>>503442521nonsense, you'll get placed where you belong in a dozen matches
>>503442568but I'm gonna have to beat babies for all these matches.
>>503442953low mmr games are basically dice rolls since everyone is drunk and/or retarded, it doesn't really matter
>>503441309I got a dub, thank you my fren.
>>503419513I want to practice with Fathom
do you guys use the new healthbarsi like the little cubes more than the black bars
I like playing Seven, i truly do, but i also think he's just kind of shit. That being said, a lot of really high rank players place him at A tier, so i must be missing something. Anyone got some Seven tips, or a good youtube video i could watch, because i just can't figure him out. Every time i just feel like i could be a lot more impactful by playing so many other characters, be it in terms of area denial, crowd control or just raw damage
>>503441464Do these even work? Never seen it. I'd really like to know what rank my team/ opponents are
>>503442443>relying on guides posted by some low elo nigger wholesale copying what the eceleb streamer bought in one gamestaying forever pisslow.
>>503442265Just nerf mobility super hard. People just spam their dashes and never die.
The game would be much more fun if lanning phase was reduced by like 50%I feel like the people defending lanning phase and sayings its fun are just ready to defend anything about the game
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1gy6qrm/quick_cast_abilities_get_more_range_if_you_aim_to/haHAHA what the fuck
>>503445923just shove and gank more, ive been doing it and its way more fun
>>503437036factual
>>503437036Cho'gall, Abathur, TLV (meepo), HotS has some of the most well designed Heroes both visually and in terms of playability. It's such a fucking shame the game is on life support. It's really easy to find matches, but it feels so lackluster nowadays. One person soaking lanes, the rest brawling, going after objectives, it's fantastic for a lot of reasons. Wish they'd give it more love, more heroes, so on and so forth. I wanna fuck orphea.
>>503446448very few characters can rotate between lanes in lanning phaseyou either dont have the money for speed, or the abilities, or the abilities aren't upgraded
>>503444671He takes a weirdly long time to come online, but he's not bad. His ult is pretty much good again for teamfights and he's certainly quite good at chasedowns. You really need to be farming up good though. Have you tried Knockdown on him? You stack it with your stun midgame for a cheaper ~3 second long shutdown.
multiple games now i have a team that's all negative and 1 or 2 people on the enemy team have private profiles or have public with 1 game and very little playtime
>>503447071mid lanes can gank each other fast. you can go to/from mid and sidelanes using the zip and a wall jump in 10 seconds. just try it. buy extra stamina + kinetic dash and your rotates are effortless
I'm so bad at this game. How did I calibrate archon 4 with a 3-12 haze with 13k damage (lowest in the game by a largin margin. Next highest was 20k)
I love lash and shiv, what hero should i choose 3rd?
>>503447538Pocket and Warden are both fairly dive-y characters that do a lot of damage and are also good at dueling
>>503447538Yamato
>>503447538Yamato is the closest hybrid between lash and shiv
>>503445923Laning phase is the only thing keeping a MOBA game from being a 5 man brool-fest and NOBODY likes that shit except for retarded literal niggers.
I like how you still can't see ranks post match cause they know their matchmaking is garbage
>>503448283why do people even find brooling funthere’s a difference between skirmishes midgame where you try to splitpush objectives or risk the deathball as a group compared to 30+ minute game where it turns into an edging sess where both teams wait for a gank or initiator to brool in a luck based teamfight (that one 1/11 dynamo hits a good ult)
>>503447538Bebop
why is haze ult radius the name as warden ult
>middle Urnnot sure how I feelmaking the drop off in the middle "feels" right and fights in the temple are more fun then whole teams posting up at the end of the map to try and snipe the urn runnerbut it's also a really short distanceyou can rescue beam people, or bebop hook them and it's doneI think overall it's better?
>>503448283Bad news: URF and ARAM are the most popular modes in the most popular MOBA. Everyone wants to BROOL and nobody wants to lane.
>>503448954its gigaboosted dynamo imo, real annoying
>>503448954I don't like it, if three or four people aren't already close it feels impossible to get there in time after they pick it up
What if every female hero was replaced with catgirls?
>>503448697When brool is implemented properly (See HOTS), the skirmishes are just the entire game, you get like 20 straight minutes of skirmishes over constant objectives HOTS also doesn't want long games though, so after 20 minutes one fight can be a game ender, depending on the situation. But most games are decided at level 20, which is when you get your last power spike. The team that hits it was already winning, engages with it, and normally ends the game off it.
>>503448283lanning phase is shit and boringand the bad game design all over leads to brool latter in the matchthe whole genre is a shit mess
>>503449078In theory I like that it asks teams to be more proactive. like, waiting for the urn drop and constantly keeping on top of it to avoid sudden pickups and a race to midbut asking people to touch towers is difficult enough, some players have never even looked at the urn
>>503449081It would be rather lacking in variety.
>>503449469In conjunction with the trooper damage changes it feels like a lot, I dunno.
I thought the game was doing fine for the last two months, but we were bleeding players.I think this patch sucks dicks, so let's see if player count will manage to recover. Maybe my taste is just the opposite of normalfags.
>>503450425normies are like cattle and the big streamers have quit. but also, the last two patches have been pretty bad. this current patch is feeling a bit better but the damage is done.
Less than 2 weeks until Marvel Rivals put this game to rest.They should take the game offline for a few months and comeback strong with a bunch of new changes
Hero balance feels pretty good right now.Even with the buff, haze feels like a threat, but not extremely oppressive. If the average game is around 30-40 min, I don't think haze is that crazy. The new items /reworked items are cool, but spellslinger headshot seems a bit too weak. Glass cannon is still a meme items, i think it is even worse now with how much more expensive it is.
Lash is the most based hero in the game he never get nerf or buff literally the most honest and balance character in the game
>>503450810Yamato is the most honest character. Shedenies your cc but also has no hard cc of her own. We honest and honorabu duel now.
>>503450703Spellslinger headshots has the potential to be broken given you can get the stacks up. I had 300~ spirit on mirage and was deleting kids with x12 marks for 2.5k damage. But it takes some serious investment and if you get there its probably just gg anyways
>>503449405>>503448957>t. brownoid subhumans
>>503451157Yea, that's the issue. How often are you get to shoot at someone for 15 sec and consistently headshot every 1.5 sec to build the max stacks, THEN take advantage of that stack by throwing out spirit scaling ability. You also need so much high tier spirit items in the first place so the stack can scale up to a reasonable amount. It is not worth it until 50+ min into the game AND its value is backloaded. For that playstyle, something like EE, is a much lower investment, provides more consistent amp, especially if you have DOT ability or just throw out a decay.
i knew something was fucking wrong. at a certain point it'll stop updating your bomb damage on bebop on the tooltip, your bomb damage does continue to grow but the number will just randomly decide to get stuck at some point. piece of shit
>>503450703My boy seven still feels pretty weak imoHe takes as long as the other lategame characters to come online while having less game impact at all stages of the game. His gun growth is also kind of ass
>>503451895I think Seven is the jack of all trade, master of none. He has very balanced and well rounded kit and if you simply use every part of his kit efficiently, he provides a bit of everything for the team. He farms well. He is tough to itemized against due to hybrid damage. Imo, he is somewhat similiar to Vindicta in that aspect.
>>503451592Superior cd helps you proc it faster but yeah, there are only a few fights in a game, usually in either base where mirage can get tons of free shooting and let's not forget you need to be head shotting. I actually think ee after both nerfs is pretty much trash, it went from a must have to pure ass. Toxic only lasts 3 seconds so mirage doesnt have a good way to build ee stacks, its a throw pick. I'm still experimenting with it. gonna try shadow weave instead of spiritual overflow
The black woman of Valve unoriginality.These are TWO different characters.
>>503452225I'm not talking about EE on mirage. However, EE is still very good on characters that have built in dots such as spirit ivy, spirit shiv, crow vindicta, infernus, etc ....I think that still makes EE more a solid spirit but balanced spirit, instead of being the best spirit items for every single spirit build out there back then. EE used to be so broken that even if you only get like 3-4 stacks, you basically already out damage every other build options so it was an extremely dominant spirit build.
>>503452156In theory I'd agree, but in practice I dunnoI don't have the numbers, I'm not a statistician or the valve dev but the feeling I get is that it's extremely rare for seven to be a driving force in any of the games I playThey almost always just do alright, and when I play him I feel that I'm under immense pressure to not fall behind because I suffer massively in even a slight deficit, which is weird for someone who's supposed to be a jack of all trades
>>503452584I notice seven being a very reliable part of the team unless they are really bad. It's very difficult for seven to "fall behind" because he can always consistently farm well. If he just match up with farm and itemize well, he always provides something for the team, with hard/soft CC, area denial, and solid damage. He also can do it without exposing himself too hard as well unless he ult (and he shouldn't ult unless it is the right moment)
>>503453320I suppose so, maybe in just out of practice.I need to put together a new build for him. I wish the stun did more damage so he had a way to trigger Improved Burst, because that would be funny
I really enjoy the character color pallets of this gameInfernus, Geist, Seven, and Yamato all have striking colors and artwork
>my infernus only did 600 damage with his ult in a 35 minute gamei knew that nigger wasnt using it, FUCK
>>503454161gay ult, don't need it
If the guy who post dynamo webms post a pic of his build Ill play dynamo
>assists 32name that character
>>503454571McGinnis>randomly leave a turret somewhere>it tags someone for like 50 HP>an entire 30 seconds later someone kills who it tagged in an entirely unrelated fight>get an assist off of it
>>503453501I think they really just need to make the T3 of his 3 more into the base weapon, like factoring the increased scaling into the base ability more and then replacing the t3 with something like additional lifesteal. Something that gives him a little bit more sustain in a fight or advantage because seven is in a really rough spot despite being as popular a haze previously.
>>503454571it's meno matter what hero I play it always ends up like that, don't know why
>>503455284He takes so long to come online they need to improve his early/midgame and take inspir from his endgame (which isn't that great anyway, other characters are way more defining.) Maybe something like Haze/mirage where doing lightning damage builds up a passive burst that can spread to enemies.
Seven is such a poorly designed hero. He's supposed to be this all-powerful wizard that is feared by most of the cast, but all his abilities are quite run of the mill, save for his flashy ultimate that is practically useless.
>oh yeah this soulful wacky cart ult Wrecker has? Give him an aoe damage spell that also slows instead, we don't have enough of thoseWhy the fuck is Campos Santo like this
>>503435109who u playing? I play Haze and prefer solo laning no matter who I'm against because duo lanes are like wrangling another retard and my hero is very susceptible to poke.
>>503454571Pocket
>>503430136>that aim
>>503446107No they don't. Are people in this general and reddit retarded? Your character is slightly TO THE LEFT of your camera. Fucking mouth breathers. So OF COURSE shit to your left is closer to your skills even if the cones on the floor are wrong.
retarded fucking teammates since the last big update it's always like this
>>503457223>getting an abrams, Wraith, grey talon and infernus on your teamthese are usually the dumbest fucks ever who rely on one thing to win and if that doesnt work they just crumble the only thing you're missing is a haze
>>503456176McGinnis. I find I get poked less in duo lanes, and solo lanes are full of corny Guardian-diving ooga booga nigger heroes like Haze
The mid lane has some totally fucked up geometry where my bullets will hit invisible wallsAND I think sevens bullets aren't going directly where the crosshair is pointing, I think they're going off to the right side a bit.
is it a listed change or a bug that the mid lane gargoyle pillars dont zap you anymore?
>>503457716listed change
>>503448283right now laning is by far the worst part of the game and literally pointless, if they allow people to actually gank and make it tactical then it could be good, right now it's just winning due to matchup or losing due to matchup but the soul difference is so miniscule regardless of who wins you might as well just remove it.anyway fuck icefrog he is so shit at game design it's unreal, he probably gets paid 500k a year too
I placed Archon and am getting into lobbies where the enemy team has nobody lower than Oracle. I play well against them but the rest of my team is low rank and gets gaped. WTF is this matchmaking bro?
>>503457747i will find a way to abuse this.
gooboy is the most fun hero in the game idgaf what anybody says holy moly. gooball my beloved
>>503457790>b-but I'm the exceptionEvery time
>>503457998I consistently am, but that wasn't even the point of my post retard. I'm fine with placing Archon, I need to learn how to carry better to rank up but that doesn't make it right that the enemy team always has multiple ranks on my team. I legit have had games where I was up against 2 Phantoms and an Asc while everyone on my team was Archon or lower, how does that even happen?
>>503457998The fact that she is complaining on /vg/ instead of VK or Facebook means she probably is tho
>>503458123>>503457790What do you expect man they had to remove ranked queue lol there are no players any more. They put a huge priority on faster matches instead of actually matching skills
>>503458182Yeah but surely it's not hard to get it to the point you don't get stacked teams right..? Like out of a pool of 12 players why would you put the lowest ranks on 1 team? I just don't understand how it happens, it makes for a very miserable experience.
>>503458263they could have lost like 8 matches in a row and put them against you to make sure they're not super shit as a test match to drop their mmr super low if they do lose to you
>Being Phantom 3 gets you in the top 1000 Dead fucking game
>>503458263Ranked is not solo queue only any more so that might be a full stack just stomping people with the new changes I guess?
Wow, I just played a match as seven and HOLY FUCK hes literally unplayable till you buy a 6200 item. EE, or Leach or just something to actually increase your damage or sustain. Absolute dogshit character and we only won because we had a Haze on our team who was 3v1ing and winning.
>>503454571My beloved Wivy
>>503458567They need to give Seven more survivability. After the changes to spirit lifesteal he is probably on par with Vindicta levels of paper towel since his head hitbox is large as the sun. Give Seven spirit resist on boon up to 20% at max level or something jesus fucking christ.
>>503458386most characters don't even have 1000 registered entries yet, man.
>>503458919?? I'm talking about the overall leaderboardhttps://tracklock.gg/leaderboard/na/1
ivy must sit on my lapthis is an order
I'm already tired of this fucking mapGive me funny custom maps NOW
>>503460345They broke them allIt's so fucking over
>>503459654>NA
What the fuck?
>>503459654This game was made for ruskies na bro
>>503458617Ivy is a dude (no booba)
>>503426352how?
>>503461625Your other dad's a dude
probably most fun game i had yet, really good and coordinated team with ton of well executed teamfights and actions
haze rn is absolutely absurd, except when your team realizes that grouping up and jumping her for 90% of the game is literally free.
>>503462832yeah and walking out of her ult is literally free
>>503462930unless u have metal skin idk if your making it out of her ult alive
>love everything about the game except the ASSFAGGOTS gameplayanyone else?
>>503461710>overreacting because of some male gargoyle
>>503462832Haze is probably the least oppressive hero to be "meta" she's still really squishy and easy to single out. Def very strong this patch though.
>>503463080This game would be a genuine success without Icefrog
>>503462832I've rekt Haze as Ivy 1v1 today. Also Yamato too
>>503463080well that's a lie because the entire game is MOBA from abilities to objectives to items to laning, there's no way you dont like at least some part of that if you like something. It's all moba
How do I use Viscous punchLuv his goo, cube, ball but can't get a grasp of his punch its so fucking slow and now every nigger can parry it even
>>503462832I can solo a Haze that is 10k ahead of me with a double bomb Paradox. She cannot do shit.
>>503463528This game would be perfect if oldschool LoL devs worked on it. Icefraud already introduces his retarded obnoxious edge case programming design.
>pre patch play ranked everybody uses voice>everyone familiar with their hero and abilities>post patch>dead silent>40k-100k soul difference every game>retards that are most likely first timing a heroepic matchmaking update
This hero is turbo fucking brain dead. Just run around the map stealthed looking for someone to ult for a free kill or set up on some rooftop, leap down and hit ult and melt the entire enemy team, then go farm/split push, wait for ult to come off cooldown, repeat. Genuinely so fucking braindead I have no reason to play anything else at this point.
>>503464197You can do that with any hero. Ult+timing
>>503464327Yeah but Haze is turbo brain dead cause she doesn't even have to aim, just get next to someone, hit ult, collect money. Everyone else at least has to aim their shit.
>>503464096it's putting stacks on your team and they're in their own discord voice chat.wait for those dumbfucks to fix the solo only queue option.
>>503464197Warden carried that game for you though.If you don't have good team back you, haze can just get absolutely hammered
guess each hero
>>503463924Doesn't this build still cost like at minimum 40k to be even useful? You wont be online till the match is over.
>They think they're actually gonna allow you to solo onlyThey just combined the queues cause the game is bleeding players lmfao. They aren't gonna limit it any further.
Call me bad, and I probably am, but I don't really get what you're supposed to do about braindead easy characters like Abrams or Bebop. They just walk up and punch you, that's it. If you have any less stamina than them in any situation, you're done. If you don't have all abilities off cooldown, you're done. You get hooked and don't have any ability to teleport, debuff or get out of there? You might as well actually just take your hands off the controls for a second while you just don't get to play.Again, skillissue or whatever. But I just feel like for all the work you have to put in to not fight them/not die to them all they have to do is press 1 button. It's ridiculous.
>>503464197>50k stomp>hurr wtf i kill enemiesany hero does well at that point, and you barely even contributed that gametry again when you're behind and the main damage dealer of your team, and see how shit falls apart>>503464403just walk out or kite behind a cornerpeople really need to work on their reaction times to the haze ult sound, a lot of lower ranked just stand around in it cluelessly
>>503464432Warden wouldn't have gotten much done without the rest of us. Especially Infernus and I. Point is this hero is retard proof. Sleep dagger, run up, hit ult, kill someone without having to aim anything but the dagger. Or at least that's the case in the middle/slight early curve of the rank bell curve where no one buys Knock Down, Metalskin or Return Fire early. This hero makes normie pubs abysmal when piloted by someone with more than 90 IQ.
>>503464620just parry bwo
>>503464628>50k stomp>hurr wtf i kill enemies>any hero does well at that point, and you barely even contributed that gameI've been in this same exact situation as both McGinnis and Wraith. Haze rides the coat tails of a team with any semblance of a brain harder than most heroes.>>503464628McGinnis tried that but I was so close to her before I started ulting due to sleep dagger I just walked around the corner with her and melted her and she can't do shit about it, especially with Point Blank and Slowing Bullets crippling her to a crawl.
>>503464620Bebop is a skill issue but Abrams is a pub stomper at any MMR, don't let people gaslight you otherwise. Reactive barrier is nice though.
>>503464884mcginnis should instantly wall your ult off anywayShe's the least mobile hero otherwise so very surprising
>>5034644483rd is Haze, 5th is Ivy
>>503464585well if they never fix it i'm just never playing again it's that simple.
>>503464448>>503465102Alternatively 3rd is gun Vindicta(unlikely)
>>503465102>>503465489
>>503460574neon prime is back
>>503465889>Only 17k damage but 9k healing on geistWtf did she do??????How is that even possible for grist?? Maxing 2 first???
>>5034659709k healing with maybe 1 tier 2 green item it looks like? So did she literally only buy enduring speed or something and then maxed 2?
They should change the item images and how the shop looks in general it's too slow to navigateMake it more like Dota
>ok finally I can clear big camps at minute 10 with these items>oh right side has unfarmed camps>let me go->OUR BLUE WALKER IS UNDER ATTACK>3 STACK OF NIGGERS FIGHTING IN YELLOW LANE>FAGGOT DIES IN ENEMY NEUTRALS>"PLEASE HELP US ON LANE">...
Kelvin after the VO update be like: >HEADED TO PAAAAWK
https://old.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1gyp0ut/mm_has_definitely_improved_with_new_patch_and_a/community is now exclusively gaslighting yesmen kek
>>503467292go back
>>503467332wraith/haze main detected
the next time i see someone buy ammo scavenger on ivy im gonna call them mean names
>>503465970Lady Gay can heal you with her 2nd, Ivy needs a lot of stuff to buy
>>503467292>reddit
>>503467862Yes, but geist also hurt herself to heal a teammate, which should add up her "damage" stat. It's just rare for geist damage to be that low while her heal that high as her total damage add to both damage to herself and damage to the enemy. It's even weirder with almost no green items
>>503468091self damage isn't counted for damage
>two enemies taking our walker>just two>filthy tesla-rushing niggoyle is still too busy killing the creeps in the corner to fucking help me defend>they just chip the walker down for like 30 seconds straightI FUCKING HATE JUNGLEFAGS AAAAAAAAAAA
>download game with friend>queue times are 20 minutes+what the fuck
>>503468701you're getting wide matches anon
>>503468884How the fuck do I fix this, I just wanna play the game what is with ASSFAGGOTS and their obsession with MMR
Magician is so busted if you know how to build/play him.
>>503468261It does AFAIK unless they change it recently. That's why Geist always has inflated as fuck damage dealt stat every match
>>503469449it's inflated because she does a lot of poke damage easily
>3 games in a row where everyone had eshiftokay well we're just league of legends now with everyone getting zhonyas
Guess
>>503467292didn't readmm is beyond retarded after patch
I feel like green items have gone out of fucking control. I just can't kill anyone anymore no matter how many oranges I stack.
>>503470215yeah I feel like everyone is super tanky late
>>503469819SevenJesse&JamesWraithKelvinGeistWifevy
>>503470215Dunno what you are smoking unless you are one of those pocket/yamato braindead players who think bursting someone for 700 spirit damage with 2 1250 items is normal
>>503470215Yeah you aren't fucked up by mm and not playing those games where enemy team leads by 20-30k souls, I pop like a paper bag even on mokrill lmao
>>503470717
>>503471713>vindickta spirit build
>>503471713Well 1/6 ain't bad in my book
>>503470215there are not enough green item slots
gay talon is such a pubstomper
>Warden is top 1-3 in every rank besides Eternus>In Eternus he is B tierWhat do these players know/do that most of us don't??
>>503470215It might be that +25% resist that walkers now give to nearby alliesEscalating resilience (40%)Improved Bullet armor(50%)Walker aura(25%)Idk exactly how it math's out but I think that's retarded tanky
>>503473987retardedly overpracticed movement tech that allows them to literally vanish to the other side of the map the instant they hear wardens footsteps
>>503474209Also this means that shred is more value cause you are less likely to go negative and hit the diminishing return
>>503471928it was funny doing bird build and hitting people with a 10 seconds dot that did 40% of their health, too bad icefraud nerfed it
>>503473987gaming PCs
So what exactly is the point of McGinnis at this point? Turrets got nerfed and her gun is just dogshit in terms of purely M1 DPS-ing compared to Wraith and Haze cause the Spread on her gun is worse than Wraith and Haze's too. Her ult is kinda ass unless you have a Dynamo ult to dump it onto cause everyone just spams 6 dashes and gets completely out of reach and it ends up wasted. So what's the point of this bitch?
reverse mystic shot item that allows your ablities to deal gun damage
seven doesnt do anything as of late. idk why yoshi is so scared of touching him since the ball buff/nerf.
when haze hits sleep on mnk it should be only one, allowing them do move or shoot depending on who was hit
real
>>503476038not real
>>503448954if they want middle urn just make urn reduce movement speed to a fixed value, if it was 5 m/s you'd have ample time. also make the urn pickup notification way more noticable so your stoner team actually does something
>>503448954I think they need to increase the time to cap it, increase the zone size, and have enemy inside the zone pause the cap, like a koth objective. Would promote teamfight instead of steals but maybe this messes up the comeback aspect
>>503435053Don't play actual mobas.
They could honestly just port invoker to this game if they make forged spirits into turrets and sunstrike into a kamehameha
Its actually insane how a Haze player is either an absolute retard or an absolute retard that happens to have aimlock
Flopping tranny deadcock.
>>503458182>>503458263you guys would have been losing your fucking minds when we were at 4k peak
>>503475263>Why can't the turret hero also have a gun that's better than the strongest gun heroes? What's even the point of playing the turret hero then??Are you retarded
>>503479397oh it is gonna flop alright
best pairing
>>503479397It's over...Player count : fallingCock : dying
Is top 300 on my hero good? My name is on the leaderboard I don't know how it works. 300 doesn't seem that good
>>503475263How to fix Miku >Get one big sentry with an exact replica of her minigun, items included, but it dies to one heavy melee and doesn't target structures, has long cooldown and decent setup time but has mid boss shield to prevent pot shots. Can be meleed by miku to pick up and reset cooldownThe current turrets are a horrible ability that's either shit or oppressive because it's just spam.
>warden plays like shit for the entire laning phase>then, the moment he gets in any sort of trouble, his faggot friend whom he probably sucks his dick every weekend playing yamato instantly jumps at 100km/h with his dumbass broken abilities and fucking cold front, the most retarded item in the game to get an instant kill to save him.>meanwhile for some fucking reason (some dev mains pocket), silence glyph has to become a non-targeting ability that works 50% of the time so you can't fuck up the forehead bitch anymore unless you buy a 6300 item.Fucking retarded meta and updates.
>>503481295I never have these troubles, are you north american perhance? NA generally sucks at every game they play
>10 min in >one player leftname that hero
>>503481503Geist shitters when pressing 4 to delete enemy life doesn't give them a kill and they lose their guardian.
>>503481503Mirage
>just went 18/0/4, up 21k of their best hero in 24 minutes and felt like I was cheatingwhat is this matchmaking
>>503481858I rarely see Geists leave. It's normally wraiths, infernus, miku, sevens or pocket
I had a dream where they introduced a new hero who was just Infernus but blue and he was the most overpowered piece of shit in the game
fucking russian subhumans why are they so retarded
>>503409631fellas can someone mind telling me just what the fuck are you supposed to do against the new yamato ult?
>>503482134glacius is a nigger...
I can already tell that Holiday's gonna be one of those heroes who feel like they're actively sabotaging your teamEvery hero labs match I've played this weekend with a Holiday on my team has had the same thing happen>playing a hero who's focused on close range damage>me and Holiday gank someone>Holiday grabs them and runs off with themI had a Holiday grab the person that was carrying their team and run away from me (Viper) so instead of instakilling them with my 1k dps they got away with no damage
how long do you think until valve closes the alpha test and pulls it from public view
>>503482230They are all alcoholics. The majority of Russians playing this game are probably drunk while they play.
>>503482784In december the game will either die or they'll pull a miracle somehow. Other option is they will revive it years later because you can win HL3 beta keys by playing Deadasslock
>>503480786explain
>>503482134>>503482726casting a frost!
>cold front does like 300 damage if you build a bit of spirit>on a fucking 14m aoe>that practically roots you in place if any faggot character with built in slow uses it>meanwhile, fucking silence glyph has to become a skill shot item that works 50% of the time thanks to fucked up hitboxes and lag totally not because one of the devs is a pocket main and thinks a 3s silence that doesn't disable active items like warp stone is broken
>be kelvin>save 2 teammates with dome and get a kill>shitdicta starts seething in voice about not being able to snipeThanks for reading my blog
>Tokamak doesn't have to reload, and works on a heat systemI'm gonna love this bastard when he's released for testing
>>503448954What if Urn had to hit 2 checkpoints on the way to final dropoff? Slows delivery and creates more intercept points for fights to develop around. You could also make it so that if a player on the opposite team to the one who most recently held the urn picks it up after checkpoints have been run, it resets that progress.
>>503463781I main viscous and the parry isn't as bad as I thought. Maybe once people get more used to doing it, but I've only been parried twice, by one guy, and parried it once even while actively cognizant of it in a solo lane. It's not that the timing is hard it's that it's not so easy to sustain the mental state of being constantly prepared to parry when you have other things to worry about in lane. At least that's how I felt. To be fair though the guy who was playing Viscous was a lot better than me and pressured me pretty hard, so respect on him for that.Anyways for landing puddle punch you almost always want to use a wall or piece of geometry rather than the floor itself. You almost want to wait for a good punch rather than spam it, I feel. There's a few lineups you can use in lane to push the enemy out of cover, into an overextended position, or just hit them behind cover. Couple examples: If your enemy is in the duo lane with the single slot machine and medium camp directly on their left, then any time they move past the sign by the shop you can bop them out of tower, or if they're hiding behind cover by the diagonal sign by the tunnel entrance, you can punch on the wall behind the sign to hit them. You can also look into rollouts for getting into other lanes faster, or use it to displace allies out of danger and into your team as well, esp cubed ones.
>>503482120I see Haze leave a lot if they're somehow fucking up lane hard and keep dying when they try and dive early. The type that is obviously utterly reliant on the snowball carrying them into sick 4 clips.
>>503484573>rob Vindicta of her hard earned 850 souls>hmmm, why is she shittalking me
>win 11 in a row all ascendant lobbies with max souls and kills on team>nothing>lose 3 in a row while trying new character i dont play>derankedcurious
>>503486357if you don't want to derank, you gotta keep winning and never lose
>>503486342teammate lives > selfish gainsmuted and reported
Imagine being hers
>>503487332The madame is faithful to her deceased husband I am afraid
>wraith player wins his lane and just starts splitpushing side lanes constantly>dodges every fight, just split pushes>I try to fight him but he's fat as fuck and wins every 1v1>teammates completely uninterested in the free kill that will give us a massive amount of soulsThere is actually just not a single thing I can do here. I called the came over at 12 minutes and oh boy was I right.
>>503487631the kill isn't even that valuableUnironically some matches I just stop caring about the walkers, it's such a pain to micromanage the wraith who'll take it anyway at some point within seconds
>>503442471wraith players are mo and krill tier bad somehow, I think the easynigger characters just draw the shitters
>your patron blowing up is supposed to reduce your respawn time enough that you can get one team fight before you lose>patron blows up>near instantly goes in the pit>dies in 10 seconds>entire team still dead with like 10 seconds respawn time leftI swear this shit is just rigged to force you to lose.
>>503488740That shit is to stop games ending too early - if respawn timers are still low you can fight before they get a chance to kill your patron. If you're all dead for 70 seconds late game while your entire base is pushed you will lose regardless - that is intentional.
>>503487791Walkers? She was eating shrines at 15 minutes
>>503488872Or fuck you over if the enemy team overextends and by the time you push lanes, reach their base and kill their patron, their cooldown is already reduced by half.
>>503488740it doesn't reduce anything
>>503464515Once you rush Echo Shard it kicks off hard.
>>503482230they have to play quietly in the sewers to avoid the draft
I just went 0/5/0 on Haze...They ran us over like we didn't exist...Phantom 3 btw...
>>503490961Sounds like you played like this
>>503475263I can't kill her stupid fucking turrets when they're in the regen field.
>>503491102I basically didn't have a chance to play...They were up 21/0 by minute 5 and killed the patron at 13 minutes...
Why do people magdump into creeps instead of freezing their lanes like in Dota?
Decided to uninstall this game.Games are taking 45+ minutes all the time now. They need to add an option for teams to concede the match so I don't get a 2 hour ban (first time offence) for leaving an obviously lost match. Not sure why there are 4 lanes and 6 players. The map is too big, and you can have 1-2 players floating around doing nothing all game. Half the time I don't realize a hero is in the game until it's 30 minutes in. Each hero needs to count. Each tower taken needs to have a significant impact on the game. Bridge items and mid bosses need to have greater impact as well. The game needs to encourage more ganking and different laning strategies like in every other moba. REMOVE lane assignments and the auto zipline at the start. The items are completely unmemorable too.
>>503491498Because the creeps kill each-other so fast that you'll miss half your farm if you don't.
>>503491498Lane priority but some dont
>>503491954What's lane priority?
Remove one lane make it 2 - 2 - 2 solo laning is genuine dogshit and is boring as fuck
So what is Haze's job now after laning?>rat objectives while her ult is on cooldown>find a pick with her ult>then go back to ratting?That seems to be what all of them are doing.
I just want heroes of newerth back bros
>>503492489find picks and set up for your team with sleeps
>>503492413Basically just shoving the wave so you have time to break boxs/gank/jungle
>>503492413box maxxing, jungling, ganking
>>503492489she exists only to sleep someone so your team can do something while you sit in the cuck corner
>>503492664Haze is not a cuckquean.
>>503445393what's your rank
i really want haze to step on me
>>503493129What if she shoots you in the face instead?
>>503492819>put someone to sleep so you can watch other people make a play>jump in with bullet dance to get everyone low so your team can finish them offyeah she is
changes to mcginnis are retardedlaning against her is the most miserable shit because she can jujst drop the turret under guardian walker and it will hit you for 3 seconds at least
>>503493182afterwards sure no biggie
>>503492859NTA but I'm Phantom III and he's not wrong. Maybe other pros' builds are different but if you watch MikaelS you see he builds very flexibly so just copying a build of him buying the items he bought left to right in one game won't always be helpful.
>>503493190they dont even have a bounty so she can spam them, its so dunb
>>503493189Being a team player is not being a cuckquean, anon. Or do you think Ivy is one too?
the game has been the most unfun and worst it has ever fucking beenretarded change after retarded changesmall fucking indie company, imagine having BILLIONS and being private and still being so fucking shit at making games
>>503493728I disagree baka desu senpai.
last match we had 50k soul disadanvtage in 13 minutesthe new urn is so fucking retarded
>>503493905>chase an Ivy to the urn spot while she's flying with it>she delivers it while still flying
>>503493905this change proved to me that Icefraud is indeed, a fraudseriously its so obscene, all it takes is to be ahead a bit and have someone like paradox who can just deliver an urn in 10 fucking seconds and enemy team cannot do shit
>>503494084ivy is simply broken for urn this patch, she needs mirage treatment
>>503493728nah the new patch was actually kinda decent
>>503493905>urn is so fucking retardedftfy.Even in its normal form it purely a way for the winning team to get further ahead. Even counting the losing team getting a closer delivery spot it always turns into a brawl without the urn carrier where the team that's already behind has to fight the team that's already stronger than they are with a man down.
Midboss should yell at 75% since it dies so fast
>>503494425but Icefraud won't realize thatsay what you want about Riot, but they at least (even if it takes them billion years to admit it) are willing to completely axe a mechanic and remove it if its' fundamentally fucked (eg. Dodge)instead Icefraud will do what he usually does, he will spam the urn with billion of edge case changes to try to "balance it" until it's such a fucked mechanic it will require a 100 paragraph wiki page to fully understand
I love how Ivy hadn't changed in over a month, but has steadily risen from B to S tier purely because every other character above her has been nerfed into the ground...
>>503494923I think it's kinda based to ignore your playerbase in favor of designing the game that you want to make.
I played one round vs easy bots and it took 25 minutes. How long are real games? Also what heroes are best for noob? I played Seven
>>503494531lategame mid boss dies to 2 endgame heroes in secondsrest of the team can push and keep the other team busyit's so fucking funny how stompy the game is right now
>lose 7 straight games to someone going 20/0 and running the game over>finally win one>check the score>now I was the guy who went 20/0 and ran the game overmatchmaking gets fucked in a different way every patch
>>503488872why did they change it so every game lasts 40-50 minutes? since patch i haven't had a single game under 35, shit's unbearable
>>503495442It's a knee-jerk to last patch's 15-20 minute games.
Perfect match length is 20-30 minutes.
>>503495442Longer games = more chances of a comeback = less stompy (theoretically).The urn being in the middle of the map kinda causes the games to just be long, one sided slogs.
>>503495278>10 years of experience with Dota 2>more decades of experience with CS and TF2>they still cannot do proper matchmaking, anti-cheat and fix their shitty bugs and netcodesmall indie company
>>503495623Wrong. There are characters who don't even come online until the 25 minute mark.
>>503495719And that's why you balance the soul change around that time, retarded small minded autist with 0 critical thinking skills.
>>503494923>riot goodYea nah, idk how it is now but flash was mandatory on all hero for both teams for a literal century
>>503495931You're right I'm sorry, I'll think before I post next time.
>>503495713They can they're just testing and fucking around to see what happens
>>503495931If you push soul rates up universally you end up with the last patch. That's literally what they did, and it turned almost every match into a 15-20 minute stomp where half the roster was essentially useless.
>>503496134flash is still mandatory on 99% of heroes for both teams
>>503496241the good old days.
>you have ranks>but you literally can't see anyone's rank in the game anymore so it's effectively just quick matchOkay I guess they were tired people bitching that matches had people from archon to eternus together
>>503495049its also the fact how flexible you can build her, but it does suck you can't like carry shitters as her unless you turbo grind souls
>>503496370she looks like she drinks crude oil
>>503496321Do you notice how the CCU has gone up by 10-20k depending on the time of day? Turns out you're the only one who found that fun.
>>503496635that's only because they made hero labs open all weekend, the only good mode in the game right now.
Sex tierlist
>>503496635>weekend>new patchwait two weeks
>>503496769sex with abrams as vindicta
>>503496769Shiv and Pocket are too low.
>>503496635Retard alert
>>503496769Foid post.
>>503496786They're will be another new patch in 2 week tho
>>503496769faggot
>Haze uses her building sized sleep dagger on me.>200+ damage from it even though it says 150 on her ability screen.>doesn't have mystic burst or shit like that.>next sleep arrow does 70 damage.Honestly this bullshit game is completely broken, I wouldn't even be surprised if that shit had damage falloff and headshot multiplier like a normal bullet.
>>503497026and depending on how long it takes yoshi to make patch notes it will come out almost the exact hour marvel rivals dropsits over
>>503497026>ESLOpinion discarded
>>503496769racism tierlist morelike
>>503497210>marvel rivalsyawn
>hey deadlockers! we gave walkers some buffs and made them provide a defense aura to heroes! that should encourage you to defend them :)And still walkers in my game are still ignored by my team and all hands on deck for the enemy whenever we approach
>>503496769>Mirage that high>Lash, Viscous and Pocket that lowDogshit list
>>503497303i dont understand why marvel rivals has a paid shill in this general
>>503497414Mirage is pretty attractive, not gonna lie.
>>503497415Zoomer marketing lead
>>503493905Playing during this weekend was a huge mistake
>>503497414>rude faggot asshole>literal blob>thembian kpop freakMiss me with that shit
>>503497415They're naturally threatened by valves success
>Phantom strike is now instant loss 2koma for Vindictais there any other hero that gets completely countered by one item?
>>503497414Mirage is conventionally attractive and you're blind if you can't see why
>>503497771Haze by Metal Skin (which is only 3k) in every patch before this one.We know your pain, Vindi...
>>503482769>when someone misplays a hero theyve never played with or against beforewhat kind of miserable fuck even comes here to bitch about someone not understanding a hero labs character, youre a fucking faggot dude get over yourself
Really doesn't feel like they nerfed Haze's dagger at all, the shit feels thicker than ever yet somehow sleeps me while I'm behind 5 creeps
>>503497113what is quicksilver reload
Sell me on your favourite hero to play
>>503497771imagine the pubes on this bad girl
>>503497559>>503497836>brown man>attractiveI didn't know German women posted here
i want to know which ttranny approved Talons 1 hitbox
>>503498160>infinite bullets>can take down walkers and mid boss by yourself >can't carry a game but if your teammates aren't retarded you can shred enemies For me it's mcginnis
>>503498341>muh skin colorDid an immigrant steal your girl or something
>>503498316Vindicta is clean
>>503498160fathom takes no skill you just jump at them press 1 and shoot, if they start running press ult and shoot their head. If they start killing you just chain harpoon cancels and become spiderman (will get patched so play it while you can)
>>503498341German women aren't attracted to brown men. They're attracted to dogs, just like German men.
>>503498160you can't and won't catch me without expending all your lockdown little pussy *hops into my suitcase*
>>503498160yamato is cool she has sword and it goes fshwiiink and you can rope on enemies
>>503497771>mfw just bought phantom strike against a sweaty shit talking vindicta
>>503480786then where's fanart?
>>503456663you guys always have something negative to say. he's stunned 4 times and that animation jolts their head up and down. what are you expecting?
>>503499161yamato is gettin a visual redesign so all her fanart doesnt matter anyway
>>503499161i dont draw for this game else there would be
I like this ship personally.
>>503499345kys fujo
so what the fuck does infernus even do now?
>>503499345i like to imagine shiv as cool uncle to pocket
>>503499568>LETSGOOOOO!>BLIM BLIM BLIM BLIMBLIMBLIM BOOM>AAAAAAUUGHH!
post fav voice lines>Someone ordered a cocktail?
>>503499568hehehe... you see dat shit?
>>503498160>go around mid game slamming niggas for 500 spirit damage>jump around like a mad man juking every one>heal half my health every 12 seconds>win teamfights by guaranteeing kills with ult>make inappropriate comments to any women I seeThe one and only
Urn just needs to be flat out removed, and Just give us like a side objective to fight over like dragon in League that gives us stats.It can be 35 minutes, both patrons are weakened, and these retards are STILL running urn and dying for nothing. A ctf objective inside of a shooter moba is too much for these idots, and without steady increments of power to basically guide them to a win, its a pain in the ass to play.
the game is too stompy now
>>503499568>oh, they are gonna burn>still jungling at 40 minute mark
why is Lash such asshole to everyone, most of his callout voicelines sound extremely annoyed/irritated>be careful VinDICTA
>>503500013It's less stompy than last patch (but still stompy).
>everybody 25k>haze 50kHOW? JUST HOW!? That bitch melted Mid-Boss in a second solo. And it wasn't a long game maybe 30-40m. WHAT THE FUCK?
>>503499983Ctf has always been kinda ass if you take off the nostalgia gogglesBeen saying it needs to be a koth or payload objective, already proven to be more successful than ctf
>>503500161because his lore is that he's an asshole
>>503500226good farming patterns, probably a smurf
>>503500226Haze is literally the most broken hero in the game right now
>>503499568>>503500043>"Hehehe, you see that shit?"
>>503498448lol, she 100 percent is not
>>503499568lightning rod for retards to pick I guess
>>503500367>stealing dota memes
>>503500389Ghosts don't have pubes.
>>503499345If there such thing as forced ship, it would be this.
is it just me, or is melee hit detection completely fucked (even more so) this patch?I keep hitting people and getting the successful punch sound but they take literally no damage, especially when they're getting hit mid-dashI just went 2/12 with melee shiv because I was robbed of every single kill on my lane
>>503500532they can have hair but no pubes?
>>503500586it's been fixed so your dogshit clientside hits don't actually count as hits
>>503500586Good. Stay mad.
>>503500490>stealing dota game designer
>>503500581They're all forced, none of the characters in this game have sexual tension.
>>503500586for me its shooting orbs, people are able to hit them before i even see them
>>503499345>human ears + animal earslol
>>503498448shes the ghost of a 16 year old girl from like the 1800s, she definitely has pubes, and they stink
>>503500672Ah, so melee is unviable and completely dogshit now. Thanks, Valve!
>>503500490Vi sitter här i Venten och spelar lite Deadlock
>>503500728Abrams and Vindicta do with how hard I get raped playing her against him
>>503500586My friend had a 0/4 game as Abrams today because he couldn't land any of his melee hits. He was suffering.It was funny.
>>503499568>you’re gonna learn to respect me>10k souls up and 11/0 on enemy team
>>503500841>shes the ghost of a 16 year old girl from like the 1800syes and they weren't eating meat pumped with estrogen that causes girl now to mature faster
>>503500586it is, they changed it so now it's ping dependent like the orbs meaning you will never ever hit but they will hit you 100% of the time
>>503500902I think the Vindicta vs Abrams matchup is weighted heavily in Vindicta's favor, honestly.
I can't win a single game after last patch. Wonder what changed.
>>503500672>clientsideI was playing with a friend and he saw and heard the exact same thing happen. Care to explain?
>>503500894dödlock*
>>503501163The image you see and the image the server sees is different and it is more pronounced the higher the ping diffIf you want to hit now you have to melee where they will be in a second not where they are, and this lead is affected by ping and how fast the target is moving. So against a 200 ping target on a zipping rollout going 20m/s you'd have to melee probably 20m in front of them
Please just end this alpha test already. Back to the drawing board, finish everything, then do closed beta next year.
>>503501790Shut up retard.
>>503501790how about you suck my dick
the only people seething about this patch are melee crutchers, it is known
>>503501790If you don't like the game you can just stop playing at any time.
>>503501978I play melee Shiv a lot and I'm pretty happy with this patch.
>>503502295you can play a melee build and not be a melee crutcher100% the people seething were winning lanes last patch off of hits that went through parries and hit from africa, they are mad now that the shoe is on the other foot and they cant adapt
>>503502505That's fair. I mostly play melee for the heavy melee cancels anyways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REF4AsyPr7kany kino ost yet
>>503502505>100% the people seething were winning lanes last patch off of hits that went through parries and hit from africa, they are mad now that the shoe is on the other foot and they cant adaptdid they fix these???
why do pajeets try and act smug about the shitty melee hit detection that'll be fixed in the next patch?
>>503502846no, the higher ping you have the more of an advantage in melee you have
>STILL try to force the urn mechanic>Game doesn't fucking end because you have to kill the patron twice>You can actually fight for the big boss buff>it being a shooter moba with some of the complexity of Dota makes playing in lower ranks an absolute chore>every last character is complete cancerThe games being such constant back and forth is the best and worst thing about Deadlock. You can make an epic Singularity mid boss steal, come back from a shit lane phase VERY easily, and games won't end automatically just because your base is open.
>>503482769When I see others play holliday and I'm ganking someone with them they always grab and then shake them about not even bringing them to anything.Unless you're alone and know you can get an an enemy into a walker or base it's better to just stand completely still when you grab someone and hope your teammate can hit a stationary target
>>503503684so just a shittier mo and krill ult coolI see why this cunt is stuck in the lab now
>change urn to be closer to the team that is down>change it back to the middle>if a team is winning all lanes they get free urns and increase the souls gap even furtherWhat a dogshit change, it happened to me on both sides of a stomp.
>>503424718meele was completely fine as it was, it was literally just a throw in fighting gamesthere's only so many times you can say "CHOWDAH I FUKKIN TECH'D THAT" before you realize the problem is you. Now it's just useless because you're gonna miss half the time and the other time you're just gonna get parried.
>>503456663>anon sees someone not aimlocking with cheats for the first time
>>503504379It's another force disable ult but with even more potential for a retard to fuck their team over with it than Paradox's
>>503504962>almost killing someone>Holliday ults them and jumps around 30 bouncepads while spazzing out so you can't deal the finishing blow
>>503504806it is unheard of
>>503492859nta, asc 6 and he's right. a lot of shit is situational. I have 4 different builds for my support ivy and build order differs based on game pace in each of those.
>>503504538i think they just went too far with it, there are some situations where it feels more fair and they actually dodge as you melee and dont get hit, but the rest of the time they're just dodging after you finish the animation and still not getting hitcant you jump melees sometimes or somethin?
>>503504413Just dominated a match and we took the urn 3 times in a row because waves were so pushed the enemy basically couldn't do anything. Just grab +3 sprint and fleetfoot and you can deliver the urn in like 15 seconds.
>>503501978>matchmaking beyond fucked>ranked/casual thing is a joke>urn is complete unbalanced dogshit>dogshit meta because of overbuffed heroes, again>melee completely nonfunctional>people getting banned for spectating>people getting locked out of the game for no reason>all the old issues from previous patches persist and nothing has changed or improved
>>503505432Yeah I had something similar happen to me, and even if they try to contest the urn you can just win the team fight and take the rejuv for free. At least before going into the enemy base could be dangerous but now it's a joke.
>>503505449>>dogshit meta because of overbuffed heroes, againI can't actually think of any heroes that are too strong right now.
>play a match>if it was long, spectate one match to learn how others play your hero>eat a snack while you're at it
>>503505678he's gonna name at least half of the heroes now
>>503499967don't forget>slam someone for half their hp as soon as the game starts by jumping down on them from the highest point of the map like a fucking wrestler
>>503505449most of these are temporary(urn literally reverting tomorrow) or made up because youre a delusional retard
>when the stomp finally happens on your side of the map
>>503505678Pocket literally has a higher winrate than yamato right after the ult rework
Abrams feels buggy as fuck now
>>503504379Yeah I'm not a fan of it personally.it'd be cool if she got a spirit horse which gave her a speed boost and did damage on contact like gooball so at least you could wrangle defensively. I don't like ults that rely on team involvement personally but you can do some stuff with it but it's too contingentI just had an idea: What if her ult puts her on a spirit horse and gives her a winchester rifle (or some other cowboy type gun) which she shoots explosive rounds from horseback. Synergising both gun and spirit. The horse speed and ram damage being spirit scaling and the rifle working off gun stats (but maybe doing spirit damage as well and just scaling off bullet damage)
which 2 heroes have best synergy?
Doesn't look that bad tbqh
>>5034983161700s bush… good lord
Calico should've looked like this instead of a nigger.
>>503502815kinooo
>>503506947OHHHHHHH IM CUMMMINNGGGG IM LOSING CONTROL UUUOOOOOHHHHH
>when Lash pulls your team into their fountain and you save them from doomany other hero for these feels?
>>503500586Its just you because melee is actually reasonable instead of guaranteed from 10 meters away
>>503492535There's a private server where you can still play HoN, but unfortunately it's run by total wokies
>>503508905oh and they also use their launcher to illegally farm your data in violation of GDPR
>>503506348mo & krill
>>503506286I'm pretty sure Lasso is staying because her kit is kind of a riff on Lash's.I just wish it was more about displacing someone and less just straight up stunning them. Maybe it should give both her and the target increased resists.
>>503509070why would anyone care about that
>>503510071>buy ethereal shift>her ult is now completely useless for the rest of the match
>>503507090>fortnigger corporate slop
>>503510278ok then install their closed source spyware if you don't care
>>503510558made by a russian btw
>>503510723Wokies are almost always downstream of Russian or chinese social engineers
>>503510368I mean it should still stun them. But there should be something to make you use the skill for the purpose of displacing someone, not just to stand still and basically have another MnK ult.
>>503510368You can't shift out of lasso after the fact, can you? That's not a hard counter if so, she just has to play around you having it, trick you into popping it early, catch you out with movement, use veil walker.
all of my games have been some variation of thisit's not fun knowing i could go afk and we'd still win
i still think seven stun is broken
>>503511798its just knockdown
>>503511798Just play Pocket, Ivy or Dynamo then.
>>503511090The solution to that is called reworking her retarded 3 so it actually works with the lasso.Many solutions have been given already like a bullet that ricochets off walls, throwing off spurs, using her bandana, whatever, valves just retarded and she's being gated from release by the 3 yet they don't actually try to fix it.
>>503511902well then every heroes ability should be a buyable item
>>503512047I'd instantly buy Vindictas broken ultimate with 4 charges every game.
>Yoshi liked your post>never going to implement this change
>>503512274we can only hope
>>503512274vindicta is a broken badly designed mess as it is, no a fucking global range 1k damage nuke shouldn't give you even easier extra souls
>>503476038>>503476370both are correct to be my little goblina housewife
>>503504379Pretty much, yeah, the same way dynamo is just a mo and krill ult
You should be able to use scroll wheel to zoom the minimap in and out.The thing is pretty useless during team fights.
>>503512451gargle on those feet you dishonest overplayer
>>503491587nice blog faggetyou're right, but stfu about it
It's actually insane how melee pretty much doesn't work right now and Abrams IS STILL AMONGST THE TOP WINRATES AT LITERALLY EVERY RANK
>you have 8 wins left in low priority matchmaking
>>503512876can't I just suck on her puffy blue asshole instead?
>>503455864I agree wholeheartedly. I don't hate the area denial kit he has, it just doesn't fit Seven well. His design is far too cool for it.
>>503513032it's almost like his melee was a cherry on top of a gun that hits like 20 niggers and a bunch of self-sustain plus a "fuck you" ult with an impact the size of a meteor
>>503513393>>503513032What pushes him over the top is the dumb fucking charge.The hero has a shitton of mobility yet if you're anywhere even close to him he has a guaranteed 1-1.5k damage nuke that will delete anyone even if he's somehow super behind.Not only is the charge aoe insanely retarded but also collides with nearly anything AND it also goes extremely far, seriously go to the sandbox right now and you'll see it's beyond retarded.
Do you guys use the zoom in / aiming feature? I think it's right click by default.I'm Ascendant 3 and I rebound right click to crouch/slide and haven't used it once.
>>503513032Wow the tank hero with a whole ass passive dedicated to not dying has a high winrate?
>>503513143too late chumpim already sucking her asshole
>>503513693It's pretty useless most of the time, I only really use it in lane when weapon is usually weak and being able to hit creeps right in the corner is pretty good.But I main yamato so I can't really rebind that shit.Now that I think about it, can you rebind mouse wheel click?
>>503513693It's probably useful if they're trying to run away but honestly I rebind it too lol. Geist's malice on M2 just feels so right
>>503514014
>>503512876dota is so dead we even took their only good artist
why were people complaining so much about yamato yet pocket gets to be a genuine aids cancer pick, even more than yamato and no one here gives a shit?
>>503514684>no one here gives a shit?There's like five dudes left in this general
>>503514905There's actually ? amount of people here.
>>503514905No, there's 75
I was placed into Emissary 4, is that bad?
>>503514684my guess is pocket is a high mmr problem. in low/mid mmr pocket doesn't get picked that often and gets dumpstered the few times you see him, meanwhile yamato gets picked at all mmr tiers for one reason or another
>>503514684nice sample size
>>503507090Same, but this instead.
>>503515497ascendant+ isn't much better, still higher than yamato
>>503515513>zoomer slop vs jap nostalgia slop
>>503515257Average.
>>503515684>japs have nostalgia for 2020Actually makes sense considering the absolute state of their economy
>>503515614well that's a lot better
>>503510071She also has a bunch of lines and animations for it.I think enemies should have a slow applied after being lasso'd. Or some kind of debuff.Pretty much every other stun in the game does damage and/or applies a debuff.If not a debuff, at least a buff given to Holliday after lassoing someone so it's a bit more useful when used alone
>>503515969trials of mana is a remake of a super famicom mana game
>>503515851>week fivewhat week are we on now?
>top mcginnis guides are all made by a trannyWhat's the meta build for her now I can use that isn't trans
>>503516075i don't play hero labsplaying holiday when she gets released is gonna be fun to learn
>>503510445Still better than valvenigger DEI slop.
>>503516086Sure, but that design looks considerably different as a tiny ass sprite
>>503516535>holiday is getting released
>>503516853shut UP
>>503516853>>503516949>frogpostingYou have been replaced, Magician has willed it
>>503479906But the turrets are nerfed and total dogshit.
>>503491263Have you tried picking a character that actually does damage? Regen field does fuck all when you do 500 damage in 1 and a half seconds to said turrets.
>>503517632the amount of damage turrets can receive has been capped though, so it doesn't matter if you do a million dps since healing on turrets isn't capped.
>>503517459Lmaooo
>>503515614>>503514684There is a dedicated Pocket gaslighter in this general so everyone thinks he is weak for some reason. He can basically take anyone down to low HP or instakill them early on and has 2 fuck you abilities that let him take any position he wants / fight whatever he wants
good night /dlg/
>>503518478I'm pretty sure same player hates the dynamo player judging from last thread and his PC runs at 20 fps judging from his webmjust noticing
Valve should outsource the game to Riot or Blizzard.
>>503519420i'm gonna outsource my dick to your face idiot
>>503519420Foid meme
>>503519420Yep yep!
>tencent shill STILL trying to get people to install his moon rune spywareLMAO
>>503516075>so it's a bit more useful when used aloneYeah, this is kind of a big thing. Bebop, Paradox and Lash all have a combo with their displacement skill, so there's an actual reason to use it when you're solo and don't have a building around. Bounce pad just lets you go further. I guess a new 3 would help with that.It would be cool if you could alt cast the barrel to throw it behind her, so you can time the lasso ending with the arm time of the barrel. Would be a cute reference to the old shotgun 3 that let her shoot behind her.
is it just me or is holliday barrel literally just gragas q
>>503519834obsessed
>>503515684Okay then, post what kind of cat (you) think Calico should be.
>>503521539With women? Yes I am
So uh. Warp stone uh... doesn't work any more?
Me playing spirit Haze.
>>503521818black cat
>>503522314spirit haze is actually good now though
>>503519420At least they would release it
>>503516398Titanic Mag, Intensify Mag, Bullet lifesteal, Enduring Speed, whatever resistances you need, Quick Silver Reload (on heal) Bullet Resist Shredder, Telsa Bullets to proc BRS, Lucky Shot, Heroic Aura. Diviner's Kevlar. That new Kinetic Dash upgrade, or some other item to counter other heroes. Figure out the restIgnore turrets, rush wall upgrade, heal upgrade, then ult, shoot people with gun. If you're running out of bullets or need to shoot faster, drop a heal and keep shooting more. If you run out and have no heal, use ult. Or use ult if they like to hide behind walls.
>>503522470Yeah, but I've been doing it for months...
Bring back Yamato heal on ult.
>>503519420they're going to sell it to gearbox.hotpoo is on the team, you know he's probably already pitched the idea at least a few times.
Banned for grief report for building gun geist
using this viscous build atm, balling is fun but i kinda miss bullet-res a lotgetting killed in ball form when someone fed is going gun a lotnot sure if i should buy resists instead of return fire / barrier
>>503523289Did you lose? It's only stupid if it doesn't work.
>>503523368Yea resist are a lot better in the later games and barrier down work with new walker aura
>>503524065Dont* not down
just pick haze bros
i dont understand people saying holliday is finished enough to be added to the normal pool when everything in her kit besides the lasso is so stylistically at odds with her design
>>503524483give build
I might try Haze now that she's a purple hero. Never touched her before.
>>503524850What exactly is the stylistic design fitting for a bounce pad?
>>503525019i dunno you tell me, it's just weird that she has a barrel and a bounce pad
>>503524850I'll give you bounce pad but what's the problem with her other two?
>>503525139i guess the barrel can stay but the bounce pad is just bizarre
>>503524890pretty standard ganker build with fleetfoot, edited zerggy's build slightlyitems aren't bought in order, it's a bit of a mess but whatever
>>503525108Give her beebop uppercut and give the bounce pad to beebop
>>503525962that reminds me, i fucking hate bebop players spamming their shitty uppercut in a random direction when im trying to follow up their hook with a skillshot, especially if on vindicta or something
>>503526087>be bebop>buy echoshard>max 1 firstHOOKUPPERCUTHOOK>echoshardUPPERCUTHOOK
>>503525916What a boring build that honestly looks outdatedYou can use item in ult so not having warp or phantomstrike is criminal also Arcane surge is nuts on her rn
>>503524850>>503525139>>503525242>trick shot hero>makes crazy air headshotsmakes sense to me
>>503526369this isn't an ult build, I usually just use it to burst down a single target
>>503525916>fleetfootwhy this over kinetic dash or maybe even slowing bullets? before i could understand but now haze gets her movement buff from smokebomb early so you can use that to gank easier. don't think the combat slow removal is that amazing
>>503526491OK I see, still tho I think running literally every attack speed item isn't optimal, I'd drop rapid rn for close quarter or soul shredder
>>503527010fleetfoot is one of the best items in the game on anyone who can afford to run it
>>503507090>>503515513Too attractive for Deilock, sorry.
>>503527010Probably to hmc
>>503527042That's literally how you're supposed to build haze though because she already has fixation
Hypothetically, can you use rescue beam to suck your own dick?
>>503527386>game just ended randomly uhhh what?
>>503514684I and a few anons have been saying after yamato nerfs last patch this nigger pocket was the most broken in the game, but theres a dedicated pocket autist in denial
>>503526087Bebop with a gun build doesn't need your "assistance" to combo people with his uppercut. You only want free souls with your broken crutch ult.
>>503527571didn't mean to quotemy game just ended randomly while we were losing pretty hard
>>503527386I get why people do it but there is still diminishing returns
>turret and ult maxxing McGinnis has double the player damage and +4 more kills (4-4 and 30k) than a Wraith (1-5 and 13k) in a 40 minute gameHow the fuck do you possibly end up so SHIT at doing literally anything you can't even hold mouse 1 on people with THE hero that lets you just ult someone and dump your entire mag into their ass?
>>503528007>>503527386>>503525916Any of you experimented with Intensifying on Haze? I have to imagine it is a huge buff for her ult.
>>503527010Presumably because dash-jump movement speed generally falls off late game compared to additional flat speed rate granted by FF.
>>503528254fixation does like over half of haze's damage so it's not very good
>>503528254intensifying mag only ramps up when you are holding left clickit literally does nothing for her ult outside of being able to use some of the weapon damage before it fully ramps down if you ramped it up by holding left click before ulting.
>win lane because its within my control>lose mid game because my clowns are uncontrollable>coinflip late game because sometimes there are clowns on the enemy team too
>>503528249Turret/ult maxing McGinnis is strong if they have teammates with cc backing them up, like a dynamo making god ult and/or a lash throwing enemies into McGinnis turrets/ults.
>>503506907no, you are marianna trench mmr. warden at 13 minutes can and will run you down in a side lane.
>someone leaves the match after going 0/7 in less than 10 minutes>have to wait 5 minutes before I can leaveLiteral humiliation ritual
>>503411470>>503429962Kill yourself, yiffnigger tourist.
>>503528667this is why I always try to play a duo lane, when you win lane you have access to 3 other team mates lanes easily, enemy duo turtling gives you time as well
>>503529296i'm eternus thoughever
>>503530096try again in english
Warden is essentially a better haze that peaks in the mid game (the important point of the game) but fall off relatively in the late game.
>>503496218Everyone said the same fucking cope about cheaters in CS2Please kill yourself
>>503506907>Haze is still 97% pick rate and has been every single patch despite being dogshit for most patchesWhat is it about this hero that makes people want to play her?
>>503531765Run fast and shoot focused
>>503528784We had no such set up. Wraith was just brown and retarded.
>>503531765just wanna shoot sum niggaswhenever the gun lizard comes out people will probably play her too just because we like simple run around and shoot people gameplay.
>>503531765Brain dead ult that the average pub has no answer for. No one buys Knock Down, no one buys Metalskin/Return Fire, and the average pub player has the object permanence of a retarded toad and forgets she exists and they promptly start a dogshit teamfight and then suddenly Haze runs in behind them and hits ult and sweeps the whole thing.
Why are people saying McGinnis turrets are getting hotfixed tomorrow? What is broken about them atm?
>>503534492No souls
>>503533369This. Also noob games always go long because braindead retards have no idea how to push together and get picked constantly.
>Get bitched at by Mcginnis that I should be pushing instead of farming, on the edge of ree'ing into his mic>End with a whole extra hero's worth of obj damage by the end of the gameWhy do people like this exist
>>50353577690% of assfaggots instinct following a death is to look at their teammates to see who they can blame, their retarded minds will twist any scenario possible to shift blame from their stupidity to someone else
kinetic carbine is my favorite skill in the game
>die against vindicta 7x during lane>still win>she rages at the dynamo at the endhaha get fuckedAlso, holy moly vampiric burst is absolutely bonkers
>>503535776she was probably wrong but you also stack up tons of objective damage when you finally push into their base and end the game because of the guardians/shrins/patron so top objective damage isnt really representative of who did what always
>>5035357761) that mcginnis is right. plus pushing nets more souls than farming if you have to choose one or the other2) why is a smurf bitching that players at X tier evaluate something at X tier logic?
I TAKE YOURA) LIFEB) WIFEC) KNIFED) FIFEThis will be on the test
>>503537395>i just realised what was in the xray pichot
>>503536416I did a game, in the webm right above your post, where the Lash left really early after dying 3x. Our haze was 0/6 or so, and our warden 0/5 or something to that degree. Infernus was raging like an actual toddler, telling them both to leave the game, screaming about bullshit, called haze a faggot. Haze left after that. Warden was a trooper and stayed.
>>503536339>one leaver on each teamHello poopoo MMR
>>503538039 yesarchon 1i am not where I belong at all. i'm 100% not saying I belong in fucking ascendant or eternus, but surely this isn't where I should fucking be. Maybe oracle?
make crimson slash do melee damage at this point spirit snatch is such a good item it's very worth to have a melee damage item now.
>>503538396>Maybe oraclealso poopoo mmr
I completely didn't know that arcane surge also gave +1 stamina? wtf I literally need to take this item on literally every character.
>>503538807ur poopoo mmr imma beat u up
>>503537395It just feels like this game is worse than CS in terms of carries going unappreciated
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