Catalyst editionSteam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to give feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/12-21-2024-update.52206/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be autistic.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlocked.wiki/https://liquipedia.net/deadlock/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHcRagequit during laning: >>506698769
Mo is the most cancer hero in this game
Most games come down to who has the best Lash/Dynamo/Mo/Paradox or whoever has the most out of those 4 and I don't really like that
kino new thread thx janitor
>other thread died>this thread will tooYou stupid fucks, if it dies again I'm making the next one.>Decide to try Infernus again>We have no left-click>Pocket just destroys people because this particular autist has over 200 pocket games
The black woman of Valve unoriginality.These are TWO different characters.
should I just spam double bomb bebop until I'm out of wood mmr
>>507140089I have a friend who consistently goes like 20+/4/12 or something, but can't win because he doesn't understand that getting a single kill then not doing anything with the space isn't how to playSo as long as you know how to capitalize off your picks, and to play around debuff remover, sureOtherwise just pick a pusher.
>won a game as miku ginnis>didn't get the santa outfit even after destroying every buildingWtf do I have to do?
>>507140089No, you should instead build curse bebop. It's free wins.
>Get into a game>Disarmed from 30 meters away>Escape fight and get grappled through 20 walls by Yamato, if she's about to die she just turns invincible>Can't peek anything because Paradox/Bebop will use their "lol ur ganked" ability>Ok well at least we're about to get a kill on this enem- >Aaaaaand it's a Pocket Idk bros game just doesn't feel fun atm
>>507140089Play Warden/Yamato instead, both are extremely broken and they're also great noobstompers. If you insist on playing Bebop do what the other anon said and just run curse Bebop, while building gun.
>Brooling deathballing enemy team retards get rewarded for their stupid gameplay because my team can't into basic macroKino
lash doesn't feel bad for actually being impactful when your teammates are shitters
>team throws a mid boss, then throws a teamfight 10 minutes later because they're greedyWhatever, I got the Talon skin, I don't have to try and build him this way anymore
bwuh
>>507142953They added Turbo to Deadlock?
why is this so dead now
>>507146325Redditors all moved to the mouseslop
>phantom 5 elo lobby>archon in my team goes 6 deaths in 8 minutesguess there's not enough players for any sort of actual matchmaking anymore, was fun while it lasted. jesus christ this is pathetic
Sex with Abrams
>>507139787>Play infernus>No left click???????
>>507148151Yeah I tried a shit build apparently>>507148050Someone in my current match said this..
Bebop christmas skin done!I guess I play such a shit bebop that it put me closer to my true rankingThere's something abut the hook I just don't...get? It feels super fast when it's coming towards me, but when I use it, it feels crazy slow
>>507149145its not actually very fast, very reactableprobably latency as well
Why is it whenever I look at my minimap my team is just in a group clustered in only 1 or 2 lanesEvery fucking game
>>507149885>Why is it whenever I look at my minimapthat's your problemjust ignore the map like your teammates and be happy
>>507149885i have the opposite problem, my entire team is spread out solo while the enemy team deathball rolls across the map and sucks them up like an amoebic rape-based lifeform. i am on a seven loss streak i think matchmaking might not be working
Does Lash 1 pop reactive barrier?
Are there any characters you can't play? Like they just don't jive with you no matter what? Bebop and Abrams are arguably the easiest characters in the game to play outside of w+m1 haze, but I just can't do it. I don't know why, I just can't. I fight Abrams players who utterly shit on me and my team with ease, doing the most basic ass shit. Charge in, punch, use their gay little gun, and they deal hundreds/thousands of damage so easily it's ridiculous. When I play Abrams, it doesn't matter what items I use, how I play, who I punch, how I engage, it never works. I don't get it, like, I just can't "get it"
>>507151370>Bebop Wouldn't say he's easy to play, his kit is just simple>AbramsDunno, he's still braindead but people know how to counter him more. Consider playing Mo or Dynamo, they're far more carried and more meta than Abrams
>Lose game>Check profiles after>1 smurf and one person with a private profile and a VAC ban on enemy teamI'm considering uninstalling, it's like matchmaking is dogshit enough but as it gets worse players also do more and more nigger shit like smurf, seriously it's so rare to get a quality game nowadays, I've played some BAD games but there's been none on this level
>>507151695Oh...Checked the game I lost before that and it had another smurf, kino
>>507151695I recently came to the same conclusion recently. I am playing in EU and cheaters are basically an every match occurrence. My trust in the current anticheat measures is basically non existent, so i decided to stop playing until they do something about it (and if they don't there are more games to play out there).
>>507152690>>507152317>>507151695I've encountered some sus players here and there. But arguably for me the match making is worse. Every game is the same. Get stomped, next game do the stomping, next game get stomped, etc. It's just so dumb and boring, the best kinds of matches are 2 teams of all relative skill and you're working together/etc to win. I don't understand why they won't change their match making algorithms or whatever they use. Even if there was no matchmaking at all and everyone was just "random" it would be better than whatever dumb ass bullshit we have now.
>>507152892Thing is it's too late, they dropped the ball and now it's a self fulfilling prophecy, people left because of bad matchmaking while the toxic positivity faggots were insisting everything was fine, which in turn made matchmaking WORSE and worse as wave after wave left. After our first huge dropoff what is their solution? Panic and combine ranked and casual queue. The devs are clearly clueless, I can only hope they snap back to reality and get their shit together in the future, cause I do enjoy this game shit balance and matchmaking presently aside.
>>507153039If they want players to come back I think they have 2 options: release the game in open beta so "anyone" can play, or, just fix the match making. I mean, I feel like it's that simple. If Valve had headlines like "Newest Valve game now in free open beta for all to try", the game would see a massive increase in players. Who knows if they'd stick around, but it would help. Fixing match making isn't the easiest solution I get that, you can't just snap your fingers and get it done, but the system they have now is just so utter dog shit that actually anything would be better.
>kick the shit out of dynamo early lane>Vindicta decides to constantly gank me>Team does nothing about itFine, whatever, We lost to constant bad picks and I fed, it happens, my badInfernus leaves my rotation though.
Why does it look like kelvins bombs explode twice sometimes? Is it just the ground effect being weird on a piece of scenery or what?
>>507151170I believe so
Based on my impressions from my ranked grind so far, I think I'm going to peak around phantom 3/4. Beyond that I can't keep up with the accuracy these turbo Adderall fucks have.
>sorry, I suck at yamato>so why are you playing as fucking aggressive as you are?>I want the skin, even though I don't play herRiiiight
>>507156789honestly what do you even do with her if you aren't divingto be fair, he should farm until he can
When will shiv be reworked to make knife maxxing viable
>>507157581Hopefully never, he's cancerous enough. I don't want him touched at all lest they fuck up the poorly designed piece of shit and you end up against an unkillable raid boss again every game
Why do people gaslight that Yamato's ult is useless now? Just general downplaying retardation?
Is it possible to NEVER feed? I'm new to MOBAs but some games it feels impossible to not die a handful of times at least, I'm not talking like 10+ but some games just feel so unlucky and that you're getting util / CC dumped way harder than everyone else
>>507156789u guys russian? only russians type like that
>>507158410If you're feeding, disappear from the map. Don't show up to lane. It is way better that you become a non-factor in the match than becoming an active hindrance for your team. Farm safe camps, don't push lanes too far, only show up to safe advantageous fights if your hero has any way to contribute with low effort (such as Singularity being a fight-winning ability regardless of Dynamo's networth)
>>507158239they're just bad at yamato and only ever used his as a way to die 4 seconds later
>>507158410>>507159389to add: get active items. knockdowns, silences, slows, etc. It helps a lot during fights that usually last 10 seconds
is debuff remover good on yamato? it cleanses silence and stuff while also letting you shit on any abrams player and just generally being a good item
>>507151370Pocket, Paradox, Yamato, Beebop, Lash, HazeI understand how much effect they have on the game but also somehow suck the fun out of it as you play them.
>the rank disparityKelvin skin get, I have played 5 kelvin games and won 2, apparentlyThat was stressful, it went FOREVER and I was falling off
>>507161278her ult is a debuff remover
I have an idea for a new debuff as an alternative to disarm>FORCED RELOADand it's younger brother>RELOAD SPEED DOWNFuck gunniggersDo it Valve
>>507161568you cant use it while silenced and you can still get debuffed in ult by things it cleanses like bebop bomb or affliction and stuff
>>507161508I'd kill my firstborn to play in ritualist but I only managed to rank down to emissary
>>507161969My trick is ranking up TO EmissaryI was E4 this morning but dropped back to e3 after some particularly bad games
>>507161697add to that a new item>mag melter>continuously decreases ammo count of nearby players>steals 10% of ammo on headshots with per player cooldownand>fullmetal punch>convert all of your current ammo into a melee damage bonus>bonus scales with ammo consumedI just really hate gun
Affliction is completely useless now past the early phase, I've never seen it deal more damage than a quarter of the total life bar, even with Healbane.
>>507162689Why are you buying healbane lmao
>>507140432Destroy the weakened patron, I got it when I was in the pit shooting at it when it went down
>>507163826>Destroy the weakened patrondid you push any other towers?more recent one is supposed to be 12+ structures on the map
>>507162367>fullmetal punchkino alert
>>507164054Didn't know they changed it, I got the skin a couple of days ago. I just jumped into the pit and shot at it and got the skin together with the victory screen. Funnily enough I wasn't even the biggest obj damage in the game
>>507164263That wasn't funny.
>>507158410Feeding isn't dying, you can die 10x and not feed once if your deaths are taking objectives for example. If you're dying while accomplishing absolutely nothing then you should just step back from the frontlines and farm neutral camps for a while and try to stick together with your team.
>>507163078Just once to see if it does something.
>>507164414Maxing out THE WALL so you can stun people and melt them as gunginnis is hilarious thoughbeit
does anyone have all of the christmas unlock voicelines? or at least where they are in the game files?
>>507165234I have them all
>>507165284post them, pls. I love flavor text
>>507165378Here you go.
>finally get vindicta to try her out>in this game>where the bebop and dynamo were duoThis was hellWe got no flex slotsI couldn't go ANYWHERE without the bebop on my ass to stop me lmao
>>507158410feeding is an outdated concept hereyou can have 050 versus 500 by the end of the lane and still have the same soul count
>>507165458FUCK YOU. I FEEL ANGER TOWARDS YOU
Why do so many people get so aggressive in the first 1-2 min of the game. the amount of times I start a game, my teammate in lane (or another) gets mad aggressive and loses is crazy. Like do these retards actually think they're "him" or some shit? Because like 9/10 times it just does not work in any fashion and my team starts on the backfoot for the rest of the game. It is so incomprehensible dumb to me
>>507165667The hyper aggressive players are always the ones that get extremely mad too, they can't vibe if they aren't stomping the lane.
>>507165503>miku: 0 obj damageI've never seen anything more aids than this
>>507165667Main character syndrome is obnoxiously popular nowadays. If you just autistically minmax the first 5m you will tilt so many retards
>>507165837>dynamo in my lane goes into their wave at level one>idk what hes doing Im just gonna creep>he dies>calls me an observer, I told him he was retarded>intentionally feeds and ints the rest of my lane & game, intentionally not helping or putting pressureunreal to be honest, only time Ive ever reported someone
>>507165667>solo against yamato as mirage>runs at me the whole lane>dies to mark>types up some "your mother is a whore" kind of shit every time>shuts up once I kill him 6 times in a row>leaves and doesn't get close to me for the rest of the gamehow do you describe this type of behaviour?
>>507166110but I AM the main character. in fact, whenever you are out of my sight, you de-spawn and stop rendering to free up unnecessary VRAM so that the computer can always render my glory in silky smooth 60fps without slugs like you hindering the performance
>>507166413That's true but this is the humbling arc where you get beat and realize you aren't as powerful as you thought
I'm the only one in this thread.You're all my samefags.
>>507167340Thank you for feeding into my delusions. You could be my side character.
>>507166413>60fps>silky smooth
>>507167459Probably I wasn't relentlessly samefagging like usual today
>>507167637human eye can only see 12 fps anyways
>>507165503Welcome to Vindicta. Feast or famine.
I didn't deserve this winI fedI hit the hooks that mattered though, Saved a super low health infernus with a max range hook then landed the next one on the vindicta
Would a necromancer type character work?Turning dead creeps into small mobs or something like Undying's totem.
>>507172630I don't see why not, they could play off the whole "souls" thing
>>507172630Seeing how niggerlicious Mcginnis turrets are that would turn out to be either one of the most annoying characters in the game or a free souls dispenser for the enemy.
>>507149954the amount of times lately I have had to tell someone to go take a guardian or walker when there's 5-6 enemies showing on the map elsewhere is baffling
I've determined all the spirit/gun build balance issues are related to the dedicated item slots. No spirit build can be too strong because the same person can build gun and have the best of both worlds. Building gun is inherently strong and damage really only being tied to your aim and ammo/reload management. Imagine if in DOTA you could build an entire phys right click build on AA after you've already got a full kitted int/utility build. They'd nerf the fuck out of the int builds and make the game all about rightclicking. That's deadlock. Nerf the fuck out of the spirit builds and devolve the game into a shooter with some 'gadgets' meant to help you secure your 'auto attack' shooting
>>507176346what do you think about 2 dedicated slots and 10 flex slots?
>>50717647012 GREEN ITEMS
>>50717666012 spirit items!
>>507176470I think taking the dedicated slots out and maybe removing a few would probably go a long ways to bringing back a distinct 'spirit or gun' build style instead of the 'you have to go some gun or you're gimping yourself, meanwhile the full gun people just grab actives in their spirit slots to shut you down' style of play going on right now. That's another large problem with spirit builds currently, you stack so much in spirit and then you need extra slots for curse or knockdown while gun doesn't have that problem.
>>507176346>balance issues are related to the dedicated item slotsnoyou're supposed to fight for flex slots and those present an inherent limit to your build progressionwe get them too early though, so we should move 1 flex slot to all t1, 1 to all t2, and 2 for each shrinehaving at least 1 full lane to defend to cuck the other team out of 2 flex slots at the same time should be an option
>>507176692>>507176660sounds fun and funny honestly, gun build would probably still dominate unless they scaled up spirit damage>>507176798build progression has nothing to do with the fact that they have been nerfing spirit into the ground to compensate for the fact that if any one single spirit build is strong enough to stand on it's own without shooting constantly it will completely destroy the higher mmr games with someone also shooting aside the spirit build
>>507176995>if any one single spirit build is strong enough to stand on it's own without shooting constantlygeist doesn't have to shoot shit with short as fuck cooldowns and she's not getting nerfed into the groundwhat we need in this case is more characters with shit guns, that can't be hyperboosted with gun items to anything more than a sidegradeit's a character design problem, not a balancing one
>>507176660>>507176692>>507176470dedicated 4 vitality slots and 6 slots for gun or spirit items, 4 flex slots stay and maybe add 2 flex slots?
>>507176346>limited slots somehow cucks spirit but not gunI'm thinking no
>>507177386i think that'd be cool but what if you just took 2 slots from gun and spirit each and made them into gun/spirit hybrid flex slots
Make flex slots purchasable with a "bag of holding" item at the cost of a t4 relic.Boom, you have a money sink.
>>507177337You can look at the progression of Ivy or Pocket since like June to see the design direction is in line with attempting to balance and homogenize around gun and prevent spirit from being too strong. Ivy previously had the worst gun in the game and the worst gun damage progression, then they started changing her so people wouldn't play her like a 'support'. Pocket has had extensive changes over the last several months because he was unbelievably strong with a spirit build and combined with a late game gun build and some accurate shooting, neigh unstoppable. They are slow rolling these nerfs and unless you play these characters you might not recognize how intensive some of the changes have been. Geist spirit build is really not that strong if you're not shooting at the same time, it used to be stronger. >>507177445Explain how it gimps gun or would gimp gun to have the change? It would help both builds and make things more unique and give room for them to start adding distinct characters with shit guns
>>507178059>You can look at the progression of Ivy or Pocket since like June to see the design direction is in line with attempting to balance and homogenize around gunSo what about the constant nerfs to Viscous and Kevin's guns? Does that not count?
How to fix Haze>1 now gives the enemies 500 hp/s while asleep, can also target teammates
>>507178059>You can look at the progression of Ivy or Pocket since like June to see the design direction is in line with attempting to balance and homogenize around gunprobably because those characters are supposed to use guns?>Geist spirit build is really not that strong if you're not shooting at the same time, it used to be stronger.that's called "balance", I can still rape people without investing into orangeif you want to ignore left clicking entirely, find a different gameeven the fattest spellcaster in dota has to left click
>>507177615I've had exactly 1 game where I was totally maxed out and 12k extra, unless this is supposed to address the Flex slot lockout(it wouldnt cause setting yourself back 6k while behind would be brutal)
>>507178196Kelvin still has one of the strongest guns in the game, that shit hits like a snowplow. Those minor changes have nothing to do with the inherent balance issues and overarching design. >>507178480>even the fattest spellcaster in dota has to left clickit's right click in dota and I don't think you play dota at all if you can't visualize how being able to build a right click or an int build in dota after already building the other would be bad for balancingyou're literally arguging for the game to be more like the finals (shooter with gadgets) and you're too retarded to understand it
>>507161278If you really need a silence/curse remover I think ethereal shift makes more sense because it also gives you a better stat bonus, especially if you have the slot to spare.
>>507178480Ivy was literally THE support hero back then, the game was obviously meant to have different roles and they've changed that
>>507178819Right click in dota requires no aim thoAlso removing designated slots would make my team buy 0 greens instead of 4 so I'll pass
>>507178819>more like the finalsI played the whole full 1st season of it as they were nerfing the shit out of nuke barrels and RPG on heavy and that still wasn't a "by CD" teamwipethe focus was on zoning and envo destruction - not shooting - until they turned into some hip CS by overbuffing medium and straight ARs + healbeamdeadlock isn't moving in that direction at all and what you're claiming is that apparently with the existing slot limit you could do BOTH gun and mystic which is blatantly untrue
>>507179407The direction is shooter with gadgets, the gadgets are only supposed to help you secure kills with your gunWe're playing a game with magic as the central theme and it's basically devolving into guns with magic gadgets
>>507179835>The direction is shooter with gadgets, the gadgets are only supposed to help you secure kills with your gunhow is that different from other mobas exactly? ultbotting and apsd/crit autos is mostly how people get killsyou simply can't fuse moba with something like magicka wizard wars or this shit https://store.steampowered.com/app/335430/Grimoire_Manastorm/it's not that kind of game, anon
>>507180583I exclusively play characters in dota that do basically no physical damage and aren't required to. I right click someone on Dark Seer just to punch an illusion out of them but that's literally the only time I need to right click someone seriously. Imagine if dota was literally only right click phys dps build game with all the abilities and etc basically dedicated intiation or healing slots instead of big damage abilities.
>>507179835>We're playing a game with magic as the central themeNo?
>>507179835>buy slow bullets, Crippling headshot>gun now enables spirit kills
>>507181152>Imagine if dota was literally only right click phys dps build game with all the abilities and etc basically dedicated intiation or healing slots instead of big damage abilities.can you please recount every matchup where a spellcasting intfag can 1v1 a phys spammer with blink and disable? I don't really remember any unless there was a huge level/gold difference
See this is why I play Lash. You guys talk too much about damage numbers and flex slots and balance and I don't want to think about that. Im just going to climb to the roof and ground pound.
>>507151170I think only after the second upgrade where he knocks you up
>>507182315me on dark seer when I blink onto them and punch an illusion out of them that hits them for 120% of their own damage
>>507181823...New york Noir?
>>507184207>NoirWe don't even have a day/night cycle, what noir?
>>507181878dont expect emissarybabs to actually buy crippling they need big number against the 75% spirit resist george&floyd
>>507183873nigga thats just right clicking with more steps
I like slowly floating towards people with Seven's ult.
>>507184515:^)
>>507184536Getting the cookie skin made me realize that Seven is actually fun. I should play him more.
>>507184536>kelvin standing off to the side, no dome even tho it's upamateur hour
>>507184940He really is. Probably the only very aim-heavy spirit carry in the game, except for charged shot talon. I kinda like it more when characters have 4 offensive abilities rather than 3 + 1 movement/escape tool, makes me feel more versatile. Plus, Warp Stone exists anyway
>>507185428there was a bit of shit being talked that game on their side so I don't think he believed in his team to come together enough to actually steal properly
>>507185478>Warp Stone exists anywayI typically buy fleetfoot + heavy melee charge on low mobility characters but same thing basically.
>>507185673I buy fleetfoot on Seven always because stacking speed on an already fast character is fuckin great, and Warp Stone is double good on Seven because it's a great ult enabler. double jump > look up > warp stone > Ult is great because it not only gets you in a good spot without having to climb up somewhere, it also gives you a nice chunk of bullet res for the first few seconds of your ult so you end up having like 85% bullet res with armor. The weakest part of seven's ult is the outset, before your team pushes in under you and starts making mayhem and the whole enemy team is beaming you, so I appreciate that little bit of extra survivability
>anon 1 is retarded with terrible ideas>anon 2 is even more retarded with even more terrible ideas and makes anon 1 look genius by comparison Name a more dynamic duo
>>507178480>probably because those characters are supposed to use guns?>75% of their ability kit has nothing to do with enhancing their gunplay>Between the two Pocket has the strongest gun-buffing ability, but only off landing 100% of the slowest moving projectiles in the game on a single target, and it's not gun-specific anyways so he isn't punished for focusing on spirit damage insteadHow the fuck do you come to that conclusion? Like yes obviously you can build them well into gun but it's got nothing to do with the intent of their character because they have basically nothing in their kit that amplifies it, unlike Haze and Wraith.
>USE>Phantom 2>9 minutes still no matchjesus christ
>friend likes to do spirit builds>won't even bother buying at least monsters rounds and basic magazine, he just buys no orangesMakes me want to slap a bitch
>>507187706>How the fuck do you come to that conclusion?By looking at their guns. Did Ivy have a quarter of her magsize when she was a "support" character?
>>507187629Who are you talking about bwo?
>>507138886Poor Lash. His only fan is a Lizard
I called it the moment that hero labs were added that all those heroes were going to stay stuck in perpetual hell.
>>507191251wdym poor lash? he's getting some snussy
>>507191546>>507191251We need fanart of ivy getting jealous over lash's relationship with viper.
Are the players in LoL, DoTA, etc, the same level of retarded as in Deadlock? I wouldn't even call myself a good player, I am Ritualist rank (whatever that means). The amount of dumbassery I see every game is just astounding. The most basic concepts are utterly lost on some players, like you could not teach them if you sat them down and told them exactly what to do for 10 years straight, they would never learn. Every time they should fight, they don't. Every time they should back up, they don't. Every time they can do something easy and simple for their team (finish off a guardian, help in a team fight, etc), they don't. Every time they die, they don't even try to learn and just go right back to what they're doing and die again. If you ask for help, they won't give it. These players actively sabotage your entire match because they are just so seemingly braindead; it doesn't even seem possible. I could not TRY to be so useless for my team. If they quit or just stood in place they would actually be helping more by the sheer fact they aren't feeding/sabotaging
>>507192227I'm divine in dota and while there is always retards, it seems like every single deadlock game has at least two mongoloids, whereas dota I only seem to get one every few games.Phantom 1 in deadlock btw.
>>507191072If you have to ask, you
>>507191647Give it time. From what I know of Ivys upcoming VN thing and that being one of vipers like 30 lines they already recorded that dynamic is inevitable.
>>507191251>>507191546>>507191647What are you basing this on? I looked through her voice lines and found nothing to back that up.
>>507192832I'm basing it off my headcanon
>>507165667the amount of times Ive laned with someone that died on the first wave because he didnt know lane matchups and then got mad at me for not dying with him pointlessly is more than I care to remember, oracle/phantom lobbies btw
>>507192832Select her in hero labs a few times
>>507192227it's some kind of middle of the curve illnessI had better games in mid-alchemist than in ritualist
>>507192547I haven't said anything in this thread yet tho
I am the retardYou're not worthy of the title
>>507194029The title belongs to me because I have the larger post number
>>507193330Nothing happened
>>507194464You're not retarded enough to check this 5.
viper but with big ass and boobs jiggling around
>>507195682reptiles don't have tits or nipplesyou wouldn't be able to tell the ass from breasts
>>507195821>tell the ass from breastsyou're saying it like that's a bad thing
>>507194631https://youtu.be/E2X0rn2lubc?si=6Lc-5Fs8TScwOtEQ
>>507198081She needs lines shitting on ivy to further solidify the conflict.
>>507195821Reptiles arent half people either so lets not worry about that.
Curse and Silence Glyph are so fucking bad now. There's no good way to stop Yamato's ult chains.
>>507198773>Reptiles arent half people eitherthey're vertebrates so it's fine too
>>507199949Silence is not as bad as i thought after they nerfed it to a projectile. It is hard to hit more than one person with it, but with some characters that can guarantee the enemy to stay still it is pretty much the same as before.
>>507202434Actually quite fond of it on Seven. Silencing someone on stun or just by virtue of slowing bullets + ball slow + mystic slow making them an easy target is fun
Only 3 weeks until next patch guysAre you having fun yet?
>>507191251I imagine Lash will hate her for trying to slither into Bepop hate wagon, only he can make fun of Bepop.
>>507205031yes
>>507205031There was only a single patch where I wasn't having fun, and it was the one with 100% soul sharing for 2 people in a lane for the whole game and higher soul bounties for kills.I guess also the one patch with the urn in the middle of the map too.
>>507205031Oh boy 3 weeks until post-christmas visual update.
>>507205602If they don't let us keep the Christmas skins I'm gonna cry.
>>507205031After they nerfed Veil Walker? Yeah. Now Warden just needs to get his weapon damage halved and we're good.
Is there any way to remove those weird circle/cone huds from abilities?I already can't see shit mid-brool but this thing also dims the screen on top of that.
How is there never a single fucking peep about Lady Geist in lane? She is just so fucking annoying to deal with.
>>507206930Because
>>507206930I played in a duo lane against Geist and GT yesterday and it made me want to kill myself.
>geist throws out her infinite range, lane wide bomb>you have to dash out before it even lands or it will hit you>dash into some shit you didn't see and get hit anyway>now that you're out of cover you get peppersprayed with her sharts>her gun is borderline hitscan making deny wars fucking impossible for most charactersand the bomb has a tiny cooldown so get ready to get hit by it again
>>507206930Idk usually they just bring themselves to low hp like retards and I take the free kill
>>507208214they'll add charges to the bomb next patch
>bro let's go mid>bro we have to do mid right now bro>their whole team is dead and their patron is exposed bro it's the perfect time for mid>oh we're not doing mid? not gonna push with you then :)what the fuck is it with some people
>>507208462Well maybe you should've helped him do mid.
>>507208462>whole enemy team on respDOTHEFUCKINGMIDRETARD
>>507208214>She get ult>Even if you win a trade against her somehow, you have no way to kill her if you play a character without strong range burst>If you get close to her, that's an instant swap, so you have to give up more space if she is at low hp>She can recover and continue to chuck more shit at you at safe range
>>507198081Valve and giving reptile girls strangely sexy voices.
>play support Ivy>don't do anything all game, can't save anyones life>play support mcginnis>carry my team to victory by saving their life any time they're in troubleWhy does this happen to me?
>>507208982>>play support Ivy>>don't do anything all game, can't save anyones lifeyour ult anon?you're supposed to build kudzu ult for support anyways
>>507208462>We MIGHT be able to winvs>We can GUARANTEE this game turning objectiveWhy is this hard to understand.
>>507209269>>507208681kill yourself you fucking retard just go finish the fucking game
>>507208834Mmmm nothing strange about her>>507205137He'll be very upset that his only public fan is a serpentine scumbag. The good ending of his novel will be learning to be happy about the people who actually think hes cool
>>507209396Dis nigga wipes on patron 2nd form
>>507209141Feels to me like picking someone up requires me to be in the thick of the fight and at that point when I would need to save someone with my ult I'm also low health and have a chance of dying myself. McGinnis though can just sit back with wall and rescue beam and save not just one person but everyone.
>>507209396listen here you fucking fuckif you just pushed naked patron and the team was on respawn before that you fucking pull out and do midif you're already in the base with the patron down and pushed people's shit in and have a gun birst char yes you push patronnow which scenario was your case?
>>507209396>We can finish the game! (95% certainty)>Wipe>They take mid>Whoops, we loseWhy can't you take 10 seconds to kill the mid? Don't you understand delayed gratification?
>>507209539>>507209645>duhhh we have to do mid bro we just gotta do it durrrrrkill yourself you retarded fucking subhuman
>>507205031Seven onetrick enjoying life. The more gun carries get nerfed the more I get to shine
>>507209737post the map and chat you fucking negroyou can do that, no?
>>507209892kill yourself stupid fucking mid dwelling troglodyte
>angry brown man constantly making calls despite being stupid and making constant macro mistake>hes playing mirage toowhy are they like this
>>507210009are you brown or are you stupid?
I hate this faggot gameSo annoying
>>507211045>faggot gameno, it's ASSFAGGOTS game
>>507206930because I main vindicta so I just play like a bitch and buy green items/resto shot until I have ult and then kill her for throwing away her life
>>507213162>hits you with daggers and bomb mid-airsuck a dickta
>lash malding over his entire fanbase being non-human monster girls horny for him
>>507138886Did they add hats into deadlock?
>>507214343temporary hats hidden behind a cheevo
>play seven>get one guy to low hp>he goes around a corner>his teammate pops out>lightning arcs from teammate to enemy around corner and kills himonly happens once in a blue moon but MAN does it feel good
>>507217793Wait he can do that?
The worst game i have ever played, every aspect it so annoying
cool story bro
Oh great now the hackers are showing up
I said they were hackingFaggot team mates just say they are good and im bad16 kills 0 deathsCheck their steam accounts afterwards, 4 hours played on recordHe's a prodigy
How does one get into initiate rank? do i just have to make a new account and throw 50 games in a row? there's only so much you can do to sabotage your team, especially when you're in new player lobbies and everyone is so bad that your chances of winning at 50/50 no matter how hard you feed. so my question is this: what tech can i use to guarantee a loss every game? i want 0% win rate
>>507222216find five other masochists and throw together
>>507219196Yeah, the whole point of his 3 is it arcs between enemies.
>>507221727>I said they were hackingI SAID GET LIQUORED UP AND TAKE THEM TO THE PEACH TREE DANCE
>oracle 1I am back bitchezzzzzzz, wonder how sweaty phantom is.
>>507192227It's fucking mobas, they are complex, our brains are monke, hilarity ensues (plus icefrog production, so there is no enforced meta/game direction for everyone to go around as much). Altho at around mid 4k people would more or less stabilise in dota (due to having a combined knowleadge of playing the fucking game for 10+ years). I just literally had a game where I did an oupsie and thought to myself 'why the fuck did I even attempt to do this shit?"
Lash this patch feels like how Pocket used to be.
Why is Yamato so tanky when she can shit out damage? It feels as if I can never do damage to her
wish they'd say something about the permanence of the skinsI got the only one I care about and don't have a drive to try for any others unless there's something else to them
>>507238149If you've played Dota this shit is nothing new with Valve.
>>507234043I hit Oracle again then got the worst matches of my life back to back, seems the game wants to keep me in shitlow. Ironically I had better Oracle matches when I was in lower Archon, now that I hit Oracle I got thrown into low Archon and sometimes even red rank matches where my team seemingly has zero clue how to play
>>507238594this has been my experience too, no wonder the matchmaking is so dogshit, climbing through mid oracle sends me back to archon games when before I was archon 6 all I had were oracle games
so this is a weird thought experiement. if you had a friend on the enemy team kill your lane creeps while you max out health regen, could you endlessly stack enemy minions by having them aggro you but never be able to kill you?
>>507239456>>507238594I went from archon 6 to phantom 1 with a 67% winrate, you just gotta play better.
>>507241075What hero? And that's great and all but I'm likely not far ahead of Archons like you are, I'm comfortably Oracle and this is my first MOBA
>died in midair as Vindicta>got my Christmas skin
>>507242623Ivy, mo, and bebop
>>507241075How do I play better, I don't know how.
>>507243009Rotate more often, recognize when it's a bad fight and abandon your teammates, monster rounds do bonus damage to towers so it's always an excellent purchase.
>>507243307>recognize when it's a bad fight and abandon your teammatesThis is probably what I struggle with the most.
>>507243848It's definitely very difficult to discern in the moment, and it doesn't help having that looming threat of having someone yell at you.
>>507241075the post wasnt about my level of play or complaining about hard games, the post was about the atrocious matchmaking, please learn how to read
>>507244594That's just a cope, lil bro. Learn how to think.
>>507242868>Ivy, MoOh makes sense
>>507245293Sorry for enjoying those heroes since launch.
>>507239657https://youtu.be/SnQdJit8P0E
>>507245384thats totally cool, but we both know it doesnt count
>game 1>teammate on my lane refuses to go back to the base when on low health and dies twice, insults me for "afk farming" when I go out to our jungle for literally 10 seconds between the trooper waves when enemies are near their guardian>teammates on other lanes are massive feeders>the blind faggot declares the game is lost 8 minutes in, starts throwing, then tries doing something later on, but gets shat on since he obviously fed enemies as well>game 2>steamroll my lane opponent 1v1 so much they have to gank me 3v1 to do anything>get fed, help destroy other lanes and win teamfights>lose the game, even after stealing the rejuv twice, because teammates don't stop chasing full HP Infernus which baits them into overextending time and time againThe fuck do I even do in these scenarios?
>>507245443It does count, if the bracket I'm in can't counter them, then I belong in a higher bracket.
>>507245293Ivy is really only good at a high mmr anyways dude. If he got to a high rank with her then he deserved it.
>>507245541>Counter Molol
>>507245712>he doesn't know how to counter Mo lol
>>507245712The mo counter is playing a support character and looking to rescue beam your idiot teammates when they get combo'd.
Doomchads never lose.
>>507245774I mean there are counters you just need various for him>Constant uptime 30m disarm>Press 4 for instant 6v5 ability>Heal that's constantly up and gets a huge powerspike just from QSR>Burrow that basically lets you push / escape anything and even if you get slowing hexed you're still beefy enough to just outlast itDownplaying Mo is probably the most embarrassing thing this general does
>>507246895How come his winrate is below 50% in eternus and barely around 51% every other rank? Surely if he's so busted his winrate would reflect that as it has done for other heroes when they were OP.
So this was the result of buying every regen item on abrams and never leaving lane, only shooting creeps to last-hit them. do not leave your lane to gank. only wait for you team to come to you. it's the most retarded strategy that actually works since nobody can poke you from long range. you will just regen all your health while their abilities are on cooldown
>>507247208>How come his winrate is low in the low sample size bracket??Been consistently 50% plus in Ascendant and below for multiple patches, you aren't Eternus btw
>>507251563>dismissing half the shit I said just to try and cling to your retard belieflmao
>>507251826>Crying because someone is calling out your biased ass trying to use shit dataPoor little midwit tanktard
>Mo's winrate is 51% so he's OP
how's the solo-carry potential in this game compared to dota/lollately been playing overwatch where it feels like even a tier 1 pro would lose 30% of matches no matter what lobby it is
>>507252680>lately been playing overwatch
>>507246634entropy never lose
>>507252539>Cite winrates yourself>Imply I'm calling him OP simply based off winrateslol
>uhh he's OP, everyone is just losing with him to keep the winrate downLMAO
>>507245517Disconnect. They no longer read in-game reports
Yeah yeah Mo is super weak never seen this contrarian bit before
Yeah yeah Mo is super strong never seen this retarded bit before
>Someone switches into my lane>It's a smurfNice :)
How the hero MMR actually seems to work>Ooooh you're trying out a new hero let's turn the MMR down a bit>Oops! Looks like we lowered the MMR, but only for your team!How can a dev team be this fucking incompetent
>>507255625LOL. Just checked, my game had two smurfs in it. Jesus fucking christ I'm uninstalling.
one less dumb faggot
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199809963287/https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199735257203/They are both friends smurfing and were queued together, the twitcher has multiple smurfs.
>>507256867Stop posting my profiles
how to make talon lanes less cancer, rush enchanter? rush fucking knockdown? feel like I'm playing so diligently not to just get clipped for 400 damage from a giant hitbox while he's in damage falloff distance
>>507257745Had a Talon / Yamato lane yesterday, was cancerous
>spectate a buddy who complains about people leaving constantly>41 minute match>souls still this close>two left really early
>>507257745>how to make talon lanes less cancerStop playing the game like it's a shooter, play it pve. Only clear waves when they're at your tower, the rest of the time you should be jungling or ganking. Playing against GT early is throwing.
>>507259507how are you ganking without your tower going down if you're not way far ahead and/or have boots and fleetfoot
>>507260661towers gotta fall eventually, they're not even worth very much souls and it's easier to defend less of them
>no one farming at all>pretty even match>decide to just powerfarm>team is screaming that i NEED to brool>eventually stop farming and melt the whole enemy team>no more complaining?emissarybabs?
>>507260661Just buy fleetfoot dude.
>>507260661learn lane rollouts
>have a 7% higher wr on amber hand sidewhat are the implications of this, is it widely agreed that one side has an advantage?
>>507262320my winrate is 54.2% on amber and 54.% on sapphire
>>507262320Isn't the map literally mirrored?
how many skins have you gotten /dlg/?who are you struggling with?personally i cant get ivy or vindicta down
>>507266869just sevent. seven onetrick
>>507266497No
>>507267096based sevenbroi really liked playing with him he's very funim a lash onetrick myself but getting these skins has really expanded my heropool i feel like
>>507267291I played a ton of characters like a month ago but I'm currently in my true onetrick grindset arc of learning and optimizing my play with just one character
I got bebops skin and then I met the requirements for mo's skin, didn't get it, and lost interest
>>507266497https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHEaxYKDEmQ
>>507267612people were wrong about the mo skin requirementit's not 10 ult kills it's an ult kill/assist on each different enemy
>>507267612>>507268074They keep changing the conditions for some reason
>>507268348they're not changing, they just werent obvious when the update dropped and they're not written anywhere so people were just discovering them and misinterpreting what actually got them the skin
I miss my nigga orange lane
what do I build for the warden challenge
>>507270459slow hex, slow bullets, extra reach on your cocklock, maybe even cold front for stacking slows
Bros I'm climbing
I genuinely hate the developers of this gameDickheads
>>507273926Don't say that you'll summon the toxic positivity dickriders (when games die that's usually all that remains)
>>507273926What did they do?
>>507268074It should be harder Mo players are cringe
>>507273926I'm enjoying myself
>>507274246I've been having a lot of fun playing Seven today too. Love his comfy flannel PJs.
>>507274395What kind of build do you use? I'm fully committed to maxing out Power Surge first and ganking with Fleetfoot
>first time haze>get the skin>lose anywayfair
>>507274504I've still been going barriers which I probably should stop since veil walker got nerfed (not using that anymore anyways). But my build is really similar to yours otherwise. I also like to rush fleetfoot and use it to gank.
>>507275007I mean it was nerfed down from maybe top 1 item in the game for sustain, besides leech. Still good, but it's price is closer to its actual power nowSeven is a damage dealer with a big head hitbox so I much prefer the lifesteal+armor route. especially with how his damage spreads across multiple targets
>>507275549The thing I like about barriers is just that it helps farm jungle a lot faster. Plus enchanters barrier + ammo scavenger is a lot of spirit power early game. But late game it falls off hard, only having those two is practically a waste of 2.5k souls in a teamfight.
Why do my lobbies feel wildly inconsistent? One game I feel like I'm deserving of Oracle the next game it's just a nonstop rape
>>507276325The drop in player count means that not everyone is in the rank that they really should be in.
I want the developers of this game to die in real life
I want the developers of this game to have a nice Christmas.
There needs to be more maps for this game, or at least frequent updates to it if they really want it to get big. I get that the appeal of mobas doesn't have to do with the variety of maps because they're just a receptacle for the gameplay a la chess or cards, but when you incorporate a shooter element to them you create the expectation of interacting with environment in a more engaging way and by extension draw increased attention to the visuals around you, but when you have such a limited amount of environments then it's just going to feel like a point and click adventure game and be unappealing to watch. Imagine if Fortnite or Overwatch was just grey city everywhere
>>507276596I imagine when they are properly done the whole city will look like the intro imageAnd no there doesnt need to be more mega huge maps to learn
>>507276596The point of having a single map is for consistency. It's better from a competitive standpoint, but also the casual playerbase doesn't like it as much, but valve doesn't like to cater to them with their mobas.
Will be cool if we eventually get day/night cycles and weather effects. Giving characters or items that provide bonuses depending on the time of day would be cool too.
>>507276923>Giving characters or items that provide bonuses depending on the time of day would be cool too.We need a werewolf character.
>>507277210A vampire character that takes DoT when in direct sunlight but has a lot of lifesteal to compensate.
Why is Mo so fast if he's supposed to be a tank
>>507277548Because if he's slow he can't do anything, think about that when you want to counter him.
>>507277632Aside from constantly debuff you
>>507277738If you want to be dishonest, sure.
I was thinking about how you might give heroes special attributes for day/night cycles like dota, but I can't think of any sort of occult entity that benefits from daytime. Is there anything?
>>507278004DAYMAN
>>507277548His only move speed steroid is burrow, so it is just items.
>>507278004I mean, shiv was supposed to be a werewolf. They could also just go with the classic tarot stuff, which has a moon card i guess.
>Mo's base speed is just 0.2m/s below HazeHuh
>>507275652The thing is, late game is never a guarantee, and most of the game isn't late game to begin with. Previously, Barriers wildly outpaced every other form of sustain until like 30 minutes
>Put against yet another stack
>check enemy who says GG EZ LMAO at the end of the match>it's always some cunt who doesn't have a single solo game played
Friendlets seething
I abandoned friendship so that I could hone my blade...
>>507279170I am currently playing with a friendI have no problem with thatI have an issue with GG EZ at the end of the game when they get hard carried LMAO
>>507275652Barrier wasn't really about jungleIt was about being straight up stronger duelist than any non-barrier build if you just fight around the veil.
>>507277738Him throwing a pocket sand and doing nothing else fuck all wouldn't be enough to contributebto a fight
>>507279693>Warp stone doesn't exist
>>507280156Use your warpstone too then
UhBets I guess lmao
>>507237539Use resistance reducers.
today i learned yamato completely hardcounters bebop, he cannot kill her unless he's full gun
>>507283419what the hell does that exchange even mean?
Mo WILL get buffed again because retards play him like dps. And the 10% of Mos who actually frontline will continue to enjoy their 65%+ winrate
>Constant whining about Haze>Erm actually Mo is balancedEyup, it's /dlg/
>>507283419The pocket went like 13/0 early, so naturally I looked him upPrivate tracklock profile too lmao>>507284992fucked if I know
Bets!>pick kelvin>instant queue
I wish rightclick Yamato with Sharpshooter worked. It's so close yet so far.
>>507286528>Ask the Wraith who she's duo'd with because she's clearly a high fucking rank, which means there's low ranks in here to make it a game around my rank>Oh, we're a 5 stackI hate this game
Anyway straight back in because I hate myselfBETS
I never realized just how slow Warden is before playing him, he's still a broken POS but this redpilled me on ways to play against him at least
Went against this guy who is most likely a smurfhttps://tracklock.gg/players/1742347312End of the game against him he started bitching out his team for playing like retards then went afk, why the fuck would you smurf then complain about low elo players playing like low elo players lol
>>507288663Enemy team is too stacked easy win for them
>>507289258Plot twist, he isn't a smurf and his shit mental is why he's low rank
>>507289515No way it isn't a smurf, I just think he's a Phantom or something so not a super high level smurf leading to him tilting.
>>507289831>30/5>loss???
>oracle 6 Wraith>oracle 5 Grey TalonGETMEOUTOFTHESEGAMESI SHOULD NOT BE HERE
>>507291538how do you go 07 on mirage without inting?
>>507292545Attempting to save people and playing way above my rank
>>507266869Ivy's bullshit but kinda easy, main thing is that you need to silence five people with it - they never told you that you needed to get it to T3 for the silence, so most people think it's JUST getting bombs.
>>507293046>Attempting to save people>on the yoinky-sploinky pop-in and do a 5 kill streak character:o
>>507293372Alright you disingenuous nigger look at that match and tell me how that was going to happen
>>507293523you could do it if you believed in yourself and teamed up with talon and haze to do ganksabsolutelyI guarantee it would work :^)
>>507290386Literally doesn't matter how many kills you get before the respawn timers get big, then all it takes is one lost fight and your patron will get shitted on.
>>507293736>get shitted onit's "shat", brownie
>>507293906Seethening bitch.
>>507293971>bitchthis is a cat you mongrelhow do you play this game with eyesight this bad?
>10k player damageJesus christI know I'm basically just silencing, slowing, healbane, etcbut man, that feels badSo many fucking shields and shit just removing all my damage
Flopping tranny deadcock.
>>507295273Nice to meet you, Flopping tranny deadcock, I am Anonymous.
>>507293046The Chad self sacrificeVs>>507293372The virgin gun carry
STOPDECLININGMY LANE SWAP REQUESTSTHEN WONDERING WHY I LOSE MY GUARDIAN
>>507297996>that vit to damage ratioYou got bigger issues than lane matchups
>>507297996Ivy vs Wraith is suprisingly easy lane actually, her ult isn't that much of a powerspike with your 3 online
>>507298138Why? I fly around dropping shit on people, refresh and do it againMystic slow, healbane, improved reach, enchanters barrierI just don't get into the fucking melee because it's an absolute fucking shitshow and people WILL fuck my ass.>>507298337I couldn't deal with the constant cards pushing me out, tbqh, and even when we did fight it's not like I did any damageI just don't like solo lane Ivy, and probably never will. Putting an entire mag into a creep head in the first 2 waves and them not dying is such annoying design
>>507298547can you post your orange lane items?
>>507298649Rapid, Monster, Mag, HPW
is spellsinger good on yamato now?
>>507298749>rapidtry taking close quarters next time
>>507192227I need never have played any of those games to confidently say yes. I have use public transportation and have driven a car in american traffic so I can already say for sure most people are dim.
>>507303557>I have use public transportation and have driven a car in american trafficmy condolences
I want to rape Ivy
punch yamato feels so good, im so glad thy added spirit snatch it makes me feel actually tanky
>>507304734viper*
>play vindicta>use tether>killthis fucking hero is too easy
Are they going to nerf Warden or is he supposed to be extremely tanky with lots of damage + free disable?
>>507308978Rush reactive barrier so it's online same time as his slow hex then enjoy free win
>>507311236I feel like divine barrier is better than reactive barrier in everyway unless you hate using active for some reason.
>>507313157reactive gives you back one stamina pop
>>507313157Reactive barrier gives 2hp regen
>>507313428I feel like reactive is only better against "true stun" that you might worry about being 100-0 but there aren't many of them, especially after wraith ult change. Divine barrier has movement speed buff and roughtly the same amount of shield boost and provides more flexibility instead of in just situation where you get hit by CC.
Does punch Geist work?
>>507315679Maybe
im at 6 wins and my streaks usually end at 6/7
>>507297996about the only thing ivy can do is protect her guardian in a solo lane?
>>507319605why the question mark?
>>507298841Still not really worth taking
>>507298841It's still a pretty shitty items among all of the choices you can get
>>507298841It's bis, don't listen to the other memeyatos
The lanes are too close to one another.Competent gankers can arrive to your lane the nanosecond they smell you not hiding under your T1.Like every other strategic decision, ganking is supposed to have risk/reward to it, but with just one 500g green and a movement ability you can try for an ambush on a neighbouring lane and be back without missing a creep lane.At ranks where people know what they're doing the games are decided pretty much before they start thanks to the retarded 4 lane map layout.
>>507319146and i had a 0-11 infernus on my teamthis is getting too obvious, valve
*brrt*Hello, gaben? 7 wins you say? I'm queuing up now, I'll take care of it *click*
>>507322818
>searching for match for over 5 minutes with half the roster selected>I'm in europe where almost everyone is on holidayowari da
>>507324189Europe has fallen, neetbux were cool at first but now the skin is so soft they can not even handle difficult video games
>>507324189barely 2 minutes in russian segmentdeadlock really is shaping up to be the next f2p slavslop
So grinding ranks is just nearly pointless solo? Losing a rank off 1-2 solo losses when it take like 10 to go up once is insane.
>>507324560It's this dumbass "confidence" factor in the mmr that all valve games useI had thousands of games on my cs main and it would take 14 to rank up once and 2 to rank down. On my smurf I win 14 in a row and I'm almost top rank, all derivate of total games
>>507324510each russian has a dedicated cheating account and smurfing account and they queue on all 3 at the same time
9 out of 10 infernus players end up going like 1-9 or worse, what the fuck
>>507324560i cant tell you but it def doesnt feel like only w/lwon like 3 in a row, lost one and deranked so to me it feels completely randomnot that this de- or upranking changed anything bec i played vs ppl in the range of one entire medal anyway
>>507325438tbf I haven't seen any cheaters so far, everyone is equally retardedI don't really know what is going on but they have below 1k/d on vindictas
>>507328701yah i havent seen many cheaters either in like archon/orcale
>>507328701i play archon/oracle range and met four cheaters in about 200 games, infernus/wraith/haze/hazetheres a reason russians love haze, her and vindicta are the prime candidate for aimbots bec of their good guns
>>507328485infernus has the worse playerbase by far, win rates are unironically meaningless because he could have 10 charges of his ult with 1 second charge times and they would still manage to int with the character
>>507330042LOL trueinfernus players running around with 60k souls at 30 minutes 0/10/0 10k damage, no rejuv ult, etc are literally unsalvageableat least seven players eventually do something
the matchmaking gets worse every day
I feel like i'm always the one with the lowest souls, be it a win or lose but i don't know what i do wrong compared to the others. Lane phase i deny souls and take them, after i farm camps, clear the other lanes too. Are some heroes just destined to have less souls than others or am i doing something wrong? I play Mirage, Mo and Abrams.
>>507330332jesus, ive never seen a match that unbalanced, what even happened?>>507330369you need good pathing and stuff, plus you wanna shove the wave so it bounces back and stuffas mo im pretty sure its fine to have low soles because you're shitstomping one guy pretty much
>>507330198>>507330042They always int on the one enemy hero that can easily juke their ults too, like they can go chase down the warden or the Abrams but instead they'll try to chase down the pocket or dynamo that's just gonna juke them.
>>507330369Mirage and Abrams are slow farmers so it's normal for them to be low on souls if you're not killing a lot of people. Mo is a really good farmer though so you're doing something wrong with him, but also he doesn't really need a lot of souls to be useful since he enables other people to kill.
>>507330787the amount of times ive had infernus try to ult me as yamato instead of running away is insaneliterally just suiciding while doing 0 damage
>>507330676>>507330895I should probably work on my routes yeah, after lane phase taking a glance at the map what do you usually do?
>>507331490What I do is just try to make sure that there's never any downtime in getting souls. And always multitask. If you're going somewhere for any purpose, always try to pick up souls on the way if there's time for it. Like if you're grouping up for the urn, clear waves and break boxes on the way there. Or if you're retreating back to base to heal and buy something, do the jungle camps that are near the zipline on the way back. I'm not the best player in the world though so I don't have much more advice than that.
>>507331490usually check where my team is gonna go and then go farm a lane where i wont be botheredif i could give one non situational piece of advice, learn to do the zipline thing if you dont or youll move like 3x slower, sideways dash into walljump makes you move ridiculously fastif you're spirit items like cold front also one shot small creeps and chunk medium ones really hardmake sure youre always pathing to somewhere thatll get you farm at least and try and pick up boxes/gold urns on the way too, they really add up, ESPECIALLY the cdr, the cdr is invaluable because so few items even give it
>>507332087>>507331854Cheers, i'll follow these tips.
>>507328940Most cheaters are on archon/oracle, since thats about when you stop being able to win just by hitting your shots.
Team spends the entire game only pushing up lanes halfway and baiting me into the enemy base LMAO
>full hour match with constant brooling>check rating>alchemist 6what the fuck is wrong with this mmr
>>507328485Infernus being garbage right now doesn't help.
>>507205732shit is cancer, fine for a christmas event but forever? It at least took dota 2 a while before getting retarded skins like a giant cookie hat
>>507337126>Infernus being garbageisn't he supposed to be immortal naruto running around the map?
>>507339337refer to >>507330042
>>507339337Yea until you reach the point where every team has slowing hex or enemy team just have characters who can easily catch him like lash or Mo, then you just don't get to have fun Aside from that, being good at running away doesn't mean much if you can't contribute to fight and have to run away. He's just very squishy and require a lot of items to be comfortable to be fighting in his range. The dash does make him really good at farming but if your team is also farming, there are only so much farm to go around. He still hasn't recovered from lifesteal nerf and nerf to items that were crucial to him.
Can anyone post the updated high MMR tierlist?
>dynao ults 3 people, sitting on alch fire/kudzu bomb>the abrams complaining all game charges them out of itwhere do these people come from
>>507340709its very telling that youre dealing with a deadlock midwit when they go >uh actually you can slowing hex them to shut them downthis applies to every hero even at the height of their strength, vindicta, pocket, wraith, infernus, abrams, lash, yamato, etc. they all have to play around items and if someone brings it up as a reason why their character isnt "good" you can safely discard the rest of their post
>>507344723And many knock up abilities, snares, or simply get burst out from range by talon/vindicta/geist. Slowing hex is a fairly cheap items that make infernus life even more difficult on top of that. While shiv also get hurt by slowing hex, shiv is significantly more tanky and can survive the slowing hex duration. Infernus needs a lot of farm but still be vulnerable even with the farm. What other things you need??? His win rate is already absolutely terrible across all level.
>>507324560>>507328547not even kidding ive got the exact opposite. it took a huge losing streak to rank down but i got my rank back after one win. the win didnt even come just after the rank down. but yeah crying about not ranking up is so retarded. just enjoy winning and not having huge queue times. whats the downside? not having the big rank your huge ego feels like it should have?>inb4 i dont win because bad teammates and im stuck in the trenches
>>507344723Not all are equally vulnerable to counter items thoFor example to counter mirage, do you buy debuff remover? Seems meh. Slow hex to disable tornado? Also mehCompare that to vindica who instant dies to knockdown
post em
>>507348245getting my cookie skin right nownot interested in playing others
Vindicta should leave wet footprints
Vindicta should become a water elemental because she's blue
Abrams should become a water elemental because she's blue
>>507351498*hshe's
>change binds to be less retarded>have to relearn 100 hours of muscle memoryI feel like a half-blind paraplegic ballerina
>solo as bebop against Abrams>surprised he didn't swap lanes with anyone>naturally I control the lane>he has his friends paradox and vindicta rotate to gank me FOUR times>my team doesn't call out that they're missing 3 out of the 4 times and the 4th time it's late.>we still won>abrams was rock bottom in performance anywaysstill frustrated though, that wasn't very fun.
>>507354374Getting 3 enemy players occupied solo is one thiing but your team not taking advantage of them leaving is another.
Remove the zipline.
Add more ziplines
Add mexicans
>>507354374Literally stop caring about missImagine getting frustrated that your randoms are random.
remove ziplinesadd tubes
>>507355682
>>507355965retard alert
>>507356370retard alert
>>507355854The ritual is NOT a big truck.
The zip lines aren't occulty enough
>>507357996they're *cough* LEY LINES
The walkers don't walk enough
The patrons don't patronize enough.
The mid is too mid.
The urn should be a lot goblin
>>507359895Loot*
What's the fucking point of an urn?It doesn't even give back much souls, you just initiate a pointless brool and waste time instead of pushing.
rate my regen abrams build. you can face tank guardians and stack creeps to create a super wave
>>507360415what you dont like when youre stupid nigger teammates use mid buff to get 6k souls off an urn instead of a shrine?
I LOVE WHEN MY NIGGER TEAM MATES ONLY PUSH THE LANE HALFWAY AND BAIT ME INTO THINKING WE'RE TAKING A WALKER SO I CAN GET RAPED BY THE ENTIER ENEMY TEAM WHILE SAID TEAM MATE FUCKS OFF TO GO DO NEUTRAL CAMPS HAHAHA FUCKING NIGGER
>>507360815Seems fucking infuriating, good job.
>lefaa and carbattery whining like faggots while 3 stacking>enemy team starts eating shit because they whine like faggots while the game is ending>they seize the opportunity like niggers to winwhy is the na scene filled with insufferable faggots like this, vegas, eido, carbattery, etc. are these overwatch players or something
After tonight I think I get why the game is dying. Those 5 games of just nothingness were soul draining. Team just bumbling around, no cohesion, no direction, no big moments. Just a slow, dull, frustrating crawl to an inevitable loss. And then a stomp in our favor to top the night off.Some of these skins are a pain to get too.
>>507366489Also I feel like the ranking system is totally wacked now. I was Archon 5 pushing for Oracle, now I can have games in green rank that don't feel terribly different besides the non-existent macro.
>>507366489when I play and a player this good is on my team, it's really fun and makes me want to queue more matches
>>507366350zoomers are cry babies, idk
I see the vision bros>>507366489yeah it's tough, I usually play with at least one friend as a result
>>507360415Okay, so you ignore urn to push but where are you pushing???Pushing walkers raw would get you punished even if your team is slightly aheadd, especially the middle walkers. If you just give up urn for free then the other team will get ahead
>>507360415If we get a pick and the lanes look good picking up urn is really great. Hugely rewarding especially for whoever delivers with that extra skill point, and creates one of the strongest split opportunities in the game
>>507373260What's this we business
Playing in these lower ranks is painfulEven with a huge advantage my team wont push and will run away to farm (but will endlessly broool in early match)man i hate this fucking gamehate these fucking 40 50 minute matches
>>507373707Shorthand for "my team and I"
>>507360815>no fortitude>no return fire
>>507373745Don't you enjoy teammates who always avoid fight but when they do, the fight is extended into a 3 min brool fest because they have to chase the left over enemies until the end to the point that the deaths respawn to keep the brool going
>nobody buys veil walker now>barely anyone buys magic carpet (when they probably shouldn't, it's kinda shit)>once in a blue moon you'll see an Abrams with Colossus, no one else except for the occasional ivy before her melee was nerfed to shit weeks ago>no silence glyph>feel like vampiric burst is still maybe good, but nobody including myself buys it>siphon bullets are very rareI also don't see decay very much, metal skin at all, and tesla bullets, and maybe I haven't noticed but I swear no one is buying spellslinger headshot
>>507374451return fire upgrades from extra regen without giving any more regen. waste of money. fortitude only works outside of combat and the build is focused on spirit damage anyway.>>507366349regen build made bebop rage quit once he realized he couldn't even damage me
>>507376314>bebop can't damage Abramskek, what a rank that must be
Kohaku is the peak of ESL
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/12-23-2024-update.52398/
>>507378078fake link
>>507378078fake nigga
holy shit
>Combo rework>mo can now throw krill at people, when krill hits an enemy hero, he controls them with some resistance (think jockey from left 4 dead 2)>Mo will follow close behind and claw at the targetWtf
Seriously how the fuck do you solo carry >Win lane>Lose>Ok let me win my lane and try to help other lanes>The guy I was laning against starts doing the same and my teammates chainfeed>Ok maybe I should early pressure walkers and shit and not leave my lane>Enemy team manages to send 2-3 people consistently to deal with me>I look at the minimap >My team is just jungling / under their tower despite half the enemy team being on one side of the mapOracle / Archon btw
Haven't seen a single person buy majestic leap in the past 100 games. They gotta revert the changes and make it a 6k item or something.
>>507381040I see Lash players buying it but in Oracle. Seems like kind of a crutch item for him anyways TBQH
Vindicta and Yamato is lowkey hard challenge for me even though I play those characters the most>Yamato is too focused on popping ult at the crucial moment, usually in the middle to frontline and tank the cc, so I don't usually get the multi kills while in the ult. >If I have a good vindicta game, enemies just throw their shit at me to get me out of flight, so I am too busy dodging those shit to get the kills while in the air. It is more difficult now that ethereal shift cancel my flight
>>507381505I think people still take it a lot on Lash's ult build not because its a crutch but because it just instantly gets you above the entire team.
>>507381593if youre decent at yamato just bait a 1v2/3 by hard shoving a sidelane and you can sometimes get the 2 kills needed
>yamato transforms>lane partner and I time our heavy melees to hit her the moment the transformation is complete and she bursts into treats
>>507381040I see pocket and lash start buying them again. >>507376108Veil walker is probably still decent but it will take a while for people to cope with such a huge nerf to the item. However, since it was such a broken item, it will probably go down to just an "okay" level nowMagic carpet will always be a memeColossus is a a high floor, low ceiling kind of item. It's simple to get value out of it. I think it is in a solid spot. Maybe if we have more true tank like Abram, we can see it more. Vampiric burst is good but it is a dedicated pure gun items. Pure gun/pure spirits, especially in T4, will always be more niche compared to the hybrid. Yes, you can potentially make crazy solo play with vampiric burst, but crippling headshot and silencers are more crucial team-friendly items that help your whole team in a big fight Siphon is pretty solid on wraith/haze/ivy but haze has more important items to buy and the current haze meta is very shield centric instead of hp centric
>>507382162You have to be really ahead and opponent really have to be kinda dumb to allow such play. Even then, too often, I get the 2nd kill when my ult run out. You can complete the challenge easier by being a rat and just let the team do the hard work then hard chase the low hp with ult. However, you are kinda hurting your team playing her that way.
>>507382569i get pretty ahead often because im smurfing since my yamato is like 11 ranks above my other characters and valve wont put me in like oracle 5-6ish lobbies after going 0/13/4 on seven
Could Ivy work if you built her like melee abrams?
>>507383517Melee ivy got me from archon 6 to oracle 5 with like an 80% winrate. Then they nerfed melee ivy extremely hard.
>>507381593I main vindicta and it was annoying to get because if youre decent at her you unscope after a snipe so the muscle memory fucked with me
>>507383604I feel like with the new arcane surge and spirit strike it should perform reasonably, surely?Early game it should be a monster in lane
>>507383659I thought it is 2 enemies kill in one flight duration
>>507383941It is
>>507383941unless they changed it, the conditions were to kill 2 enemies without unscoping
>tired of dying>run tankrill >the enemy simply cannot kill meThey even got knockdown to take me out of burrow but my resistances were so high I just ran away lmao
>>507383737they nerfed ivy's melee damage growth by 15% in the same patch they also nerfed arcane surge as well as like 10 other items i'd buy for melee ivy. it's probably not impossible to win with it but spirit ivy is definitely the better option at this point
>>507384235No, pretty sure it was always to just kill 2 people in one flight.
>>507382569>play shiv>go 0/9 in the first 10 minutes of match>spend the rest of the match stealing farm from my team>steal all kills to get a good k/d in the last 5 minutes after being completely absent pshht....
>>507385648If you're ulting every enemy as soon as they're lower than 28% you're providing a shit ton of value even if you do nothing else.
I don't understand YamatoOr maybe I'm just getting hard-focused constantly early to stop any snowball and I can't catch back up before the group fights
>>507384527Just use knockdown, slowing hex, and various antiheal to have a chance to take Mo down to half HP bro
>>507386382>to take Mo down to half HP broOH SHIT ANON WHAT ARE YO—>activates the 2nd half of the boss fight
spirit snatch kelvin is fucking hilarious at shitlowyou can charge a melee while you're dropping from the sky and they don't even see you before it's too late
Mo and Krill should have separate hp bars and when one dies the other can run back to fountain to rez them back. If Krill dies mo obviously can't shoot, or ult. If Krill dies he can't burrow, do damage with his ult, or use pocket sand. And he scuttles away at like 50% movespeed.
Still boggles my mind that Mo is one of the fastest heroes in the game, it doesn't even make sense thematically
>>507386201OhEvery lane lostOkay that match was just fucking awful okay, coolSo, when do I want to right click vs left click on Yamato, because the right click feels so fucking slow
>>507386804Last moba with fun hero designs was HoTS and it died so we'll be recycling DotA All Stars abilities for another 60 years. Sorry!
>>507387062>a hero that is entirely dependent on close quarters combat is fastwoah, a total mind skibiddler
This is the most annoying game ever made and i am glad its dying
i want to play deadlock but all of my friends are away for the holidays
>>507388083just queue solo, it's the mostWONDERFUL TIMEOF THE YEEEEARRRR
>>507387289youre supposed to right click when theyre behind cover and from midrange so they cant poke you back at all, its super oppressive
Anyone wanna play Christmas or Christmas Eve? I got off work.t. archonbro
It's weird how off the mark this general is, I remember reading about how shit Viscous is now in lane but he's still as oppressive as ever he just has to play closer when he puddle punches to either force a parry or make you eat it
>>507389403Yeah I'd be down t->archonNo thanks
>>507389937I mean I hit Oracle recently but I still know I'm a shit player, dunno man. Fair enough though, any tips you want to impart?
>>507390145Nahh you're fine, I'm just teasing. I don't like using my mic around strangers so I won't be joining.
Did they change it so that movement slows don't stack anymore?
>>507390216All good man, have a good Christmas good luck in future games
>>507387289Right click to hit multiple creeps at once, or when some idiot thinks the little stonework between the stairs in the starting lane (or tucked in behind shop) means he's invincible to being hit from the center of the lane.
can you cheat the grey talon mission with a collateral shot or does it really have to be 1k on one hero
>>507390264kinda
>game updates>i have gone down a rankstink ass game
>>507387289Right click>Jiggle peak from cover>Hitting enemy hiding behind cover with the AOE>Poking enemy outside of Yamato left click rangeLeft click>Enemy in the open and Headon dps>Range is actually decentBuy high vel mag for her. It makes a difference
>>507390572Collat works apparentlyI did it on one
Gun Kelvin is kind of funny>>507390874>>507390546Alright I'll see if I ever get her again to give it a goI lost lane to a Mo and Krill when I got her earlier and never recovered, I'm trying to play her gun because I apparently can't dash-slash
>>507392125Gun Kelvin is an insanely good split pusher. I recommend maxing his move speed out and buying alchemist fire.
>>507392125It''s just dash and slash anon......The kinda hard tech (mostly for lane) is the clamber slash because the clamber is kinda janky and inconsistent and won't register if you are too close or too far from the object.
>>507392351Yeah I bought alch fire and attempted to trap people in the ult to drop it and put bullets in their headQSR and SoP on the grenade, though I'd also consider bullet resist shredder>>507392421bwo I'm old, my hands don't work so good no mores
>>507392608Old ass 50 y/o japanese men can still play fighting game competitively.
>archon>never get into archon matcheswhat's the point
>>507393208I'm in archon too and almost always get put into oracle games.
>>507393208>>507394306When I finally hit Oracle from Archon I started getting into Archon lobbies, while I was Archon it was mainly Oracle lobbies
>infernus constantly coaching the team>is too busy farming that he ignores the enemy in our base with no minions>player damage comparable to enemy kelvin
>>507393089>>507392421>>507390874>>507390546I triedI killed Vindicta a few times in lane but I don't have the clear to out-push her so lost guardianAnd the rest of my team just ate rocks. It's hard to get damage on her though holy shit. I couldn't get close enough to actually HURT anyone because their team just shit on me in close range fights, that was horrible
>>507395608Really makes you think.
I just want one game where lane even half matters for me and all 5 other people on my team aren't consistently running it down off cooldown
Has Pocket's ult always been so useless?
I'd fucking love to do the talon challenge but it's the only one other than haze that basically requires you to be in a stomp game and the past 10 die rolls haven't been in my favor
>>507400683I actually got both haze and paradox in my first 1-3 games with them during the event but I haven't gotten one for vindicta/Yamato despite of countless of games
>>507400815yeah but I mean theoretically you can do those from behind if you're the only one farmed uptalon is just like I need the game to last until I can get 50k kek
I adore this character, and I also adore my teammates when they're good.
>>507393208I'm Emissary and get archon matches unless I get someone I have sub-10 games with, like Yamato apparently >>507396273
>>507401702Honestly, I enjoy having a seven teammates when they don't go 0/5 or worse because they make terrible split pushing decision when they should be clearing the jungle and pushing wave from 50nm away if they actually need to clear lane. It's dumb for seven for players to actually physically go past middle of lane alone and get raped 1v1 or 1v2 by multiple characters. In teamfight, seven actually offer a solid amount of teamfight damage and utility.
>>507401702>warden grab>you're now a malfunctioning lightbulb zapping motherfuckers>You forced my hand, Warden
Is eshift the most underrated item in midwit elo? Nobody ever buys it on my team in Oracle, saves me from countless bullshit ults (like Lash ult) and gives my team more time to actually come help if I am fighting
>>507402275Typically I only hard split push on Seven if I got a big lead because I did super well in lane. A lot of times people will underestimate Seven's damage in lane and I'll kill them a few times and get a 2k lead on them.
>be in oracle>click extra comp>not a single motherfucker is making calls or communicating (apart from the rare blessed games where everybody is working together)>team mates constantly leaving 2/3v1 fights mid map without saying they are leaving>die in unexpected 1v1 wondering where they fucking went expecting the free kill>team subsequently gets steam rolled in now 5v6Yeah fuck this dogshit trash match making
>>507403169Honestly this has happened to me on the receiving end a few times, I got into my head Seven is too dogshit and I can ego him but realistically is gun is actually pretty crazy in lane when the Seven is actually good
>>507403009Most active items are.Eshift is particularly better for squishy range characters while debuff remover is better for close range brawler in my experience. My reason is that the enemy bruiser/assassin usually chases and dives the squishy very hard so if you just e-shift, you should still be in the backline and your teammates can be in position to help you.However, as a bruiser diving the enemy team, debuff remover is better to keep up your pressure and offense and it has a decent heal as well. Even if you e shift as a bruiser, you are still in middle of the enemy team and it isn't usually that favorable.
>>507402275Honestly, I feel like I'm seeing the matrix right now. Granted this was a game with my friend (Abrams) who's dragging me down from Archon 6 to whatever the hell that red symbol is, but I've learned the precise timing of my power spikes and proper positioning to be an absolute ganking menace for the entire game instead of only coming online very late.Namely, grabbing Tesla Bullets just before T3 Power Surge, and then Surge of Power immediately after lets me kill most of the cast in one mag with stun, teamplay notwithstanding>>507402381The fact that I was able to gently float away mid zapping is really funny to me, great buff>>507403009Eshift is almost overtuned imo, it's an really good item stats wise and lets you play like a complete idiot a lot of the time
>>507403275I really just need to buy fleetfoot and get my ult and it's too easy to wait for someone to push up a little too much and then you just pop your stun, fleetfoot, and his 3, then chase them down with your gun, throw a ball down when they get stunned and then pop your ult and anyone without a disjoint is going to die if they're not expecting it. If someone isn't buying enough greens you don't even need your ult.
>>507403413I don't feel like it's too overtuned in a game full of strong get out of jail free cards, it levels the playing field
>>507403484I definitely have more than enough damage midgame to do that without ult, I usually save ult for teamfights or bailing out a teammate getting ganked. Supressor is a really great item to pick up midgame for that, since it makes your combo even more uncontestable and makes your ult neuter enemy damage output for the duration
>>507403413Yea, it's just that seven ability is inherently better for teamfight rather than 1v1 so many characters can 1v1 him while slightly behind if they execute right. However, with seven kits, you can pressure lane without exposing yourself and should only hard push if all of the dangerous enemies show on the map. Also, you can steal a lot of jungle farm by pushing your ball into enemy jungle or neutral jungle without needing to expose yourself
Is this just a visual bug?
>>507403863RIP GPU
>>507403835That's just in lane, midgame you've got more than enough power to kill off of that without ult. I save his ult for teamfights mostly by that point.
>>507403863Sorry, I coomed a bit too hard to vindicta when I saw her flying around while wearing a dress
>launch withering whip projectile into skating kevin>it gets stuck on the ice ramp and makes a horrendous sound
>viscous ball doesn't count as a travel ability so slowing hex doesn't stop him casting it
>>507404589Ah, so withering whip took over that role for silencing glyph (it was the opposite of silence for sure)
Solo lane every game is getting so boring. The retards playing duos always feed too.
>>507403732Fair enough, but it is infuriating especially combined with warp stone>>507403931Ah yeah, sorry I misinterpreted that
Well that game's overBack into queue I goI might have to try spirit yamato because I can't get close enough to fucking anybody to actually hurt them with my bullets, every cunt has someone riding his cock ready to fend me off or uses their movement shit as soon as they see me so I can't stop em with slowing hex
This is the most painful game i have ever played and i hope the developers get their testicles twisted off
>>507405295>Go duo lane>Only difference is you get a front row seat to your teammate feedingIdk I like solo
>>507405553you're buying enduring speed and fleetfoot at least, right? burst fire is also decent i thinki cant believe there are gun yamato players who dont take fleetfoot, literally one of the best items in the game
https://old.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1hko7p5/open_reply_to_the_i_dont_care_that_its_in_alpha/A reminder to all you doomposting a*sholes
How do I farm fast? Do I ignore lanes and just vacuum suck the jungle until there's nothing left, and only then worry about lanes?
what sort of cold fusion do you need to hit a 1k arrow
>bully Mo n Krill in lane>start to get the hang of the powerslash>the fucking 3 misses twice after diving in and he walks away with a kill and sub 40 hpWhy is the 3 so fucking weird sometimes, does it have a low fucking vertical hitbox or something? I feel like you can jump over the thing and it's fucking me up>>507406029Enduring speed yes, fleetfoot, no, but I will try it next time I get herSpirit is definitely not for me, in lane is fine, outside lane I can't do shit, especially with the current meta teamcomp cancer apparently. At least not while I'm trying to learn how to fucking kill and survive with this bitch
>game starts>Haze dies>leaves gameit's always her. am i really so dogshit that i play with people who don't realise the entire point of their character? oy gevalt
https://strawpoll.com/e2naXLXzzyB
>>507387649this is a league of legends character
I hate this gameI am glad it is dyingI hope the developers feel bad
>Someone else switches into my lane against me>Very obviously a smurf Viscous that ignores creeps to exclusively headshot me and throw all his poke at meYep, fun
>>507406029>>507409321Fleetfoot definitely helps after giving it a go, despite the fact this was a total stomp of a game and I got the skin thankfullyI don't know if I like Yamato, I really don't. Look at that 10k player damage lmao
disgusting I can one shot a haze and still not get talon's skin
WIN LANELOSEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
>Lose lane>Win game
>lose lane>lose game
>start game>pause game
>drop enemy patron>lose game
>wake up>get coffee>hop on deadlock>spam all my friends with messages until they get on>dominate as seven>win games based on teamwork >blame all losses on random teammates >hop off>goon for three hours to foot fetish porn>back on deadlock with another coffee until midnight
>>507412870okey but where is the racism?
>>507412970On voice chat
>>507411293can you show me your build? i know they nerfed gun yamato but this just seems quite bad for a 1k soul per minute game
>>507411293You ought not look at your stats too hard in a stomp either way, chances are you didn't see a reasonable fight
Lash but voiced by Patrick Warburton
Seven but voiced by Gilbert Gottfried
Ivy voiced by Mel Blanc
Honestly they should just hire us for the voice direction. Clearly we have it on lock
I give up I'll do the remaining of the "just play the game as you would normally" skin challenges and leave talon and seven for later
>>507413583It's funny, after getting the seven skin I've gotten like five more lightning strike kills now that I'm not going for them
I am being tortured by this game
this shit was turbo unfun
>can kill anyone on the enemy team 1v1>always forced to fight 3v1 or worse because my team sucks
>>507414898Why don't you ask to play with someone from here if you're sick of inconsistent teams
once I'm done with skins I think yamato is going to be my one trick for getting out of shitter rank
>>507415228i finally got her skin after 5 games and was doing pretty well with her. it's fun how much people have to respect your bullshit as long as you stay farmed
>>507415335she's pretty disgusting in lane and then if the enemy team aren't smart they'll keep greeding for kills on you just to get melted even in a 2v1
>>507415335>it's fun how much people have to respect your bullshit as long as you stay farmedThis describes a lot of characters. Some characters, like Shiv or Seven, can be menacing and dangerous when they stay farmed but impotent otherwise
>>507415626>sevenlol
also imo shiv is menacing sure but gets shut down so hard by cc or movement skillissuecountering yamato is mostly down to being smart and waiting on her cooldowns, the only thing you can really itemize against her is debuff removing her tether (I only recently found out you could do this when I bought remover for the enemy pocket)
>>507415554i'm actually not super sure how to play her in lane, aside from grappling when i see an easy kill>>507415626i main shiv and feel like i will only excel if i pick kills early and end up way ahead, if i'm only caught up i gotta be on my best behavior. cc and healbane fucks him up good. yamato on the other hand feels like she can be completely ignorant and bully entire teams as long as she's caught up.
>>507416031if you get really good with alt fire it's a crazy harassment toolyou can do some cheeky things like mantling during a charge too
>>507416331>you can do some cheeky things like mantling during a charge toohuh? how
>>507415718Hey, I've been doing good. Granted, I am a lowly archon chud worm unbefitting of true meta strats, but when I get fed up in a solo lane I grab that early fleetfoot and start sprinting between lanes doing. Billion damage with 3 and stunning enemy front liners in teamfights
burst fire is overpowered
i think fleetfoot is hands down the best item in the game, especially paried with melee chargeeasy to engage, free disengage, ridiculously fast rotatesits just so kino
>>507417784Seriously or jokingly >>507417951Very much agree
>get in game>mcginnis is a pajeet>sneed's feeder immediately starts making 9/11 era jokes>brown mutes except to occasionally sigh, silently carries gameand then everyone clapped
nothing can take me off punch + splatter viscous... it's too funny to juggle people this is the best/most fun "melee" build
>>507413000Sorry, was watching a movie with the GF, this is what I ended up building lmao
I see
Warp Stone > Fleetfoot
>>507421684they both have the same fleetfoot passive by default too
Am I just a retard or does parrying never work correctly? People parry me so easily it's wild. Honestly at times I think they're cheating for how easy they parry me; that probably isn't true but I don't know what else to call it. When I punch, there's like a 90% chance they parry me perfectly and with easy and great timing. Then, when I try and parry, sometimes the game literally doesn't even parry until after I've already been hit (despite hitting the button before so). Not only that I've parried well, but they just seem to punch me "through" it and it doesn't even do anything. To me it feels more "random" if they parry even works at all. Truly do not know how to make it work or what I'm doing wrong.
Viscous goo has the most dishonest hitbox in the game
>>507422007what region, your ping, fps average, and driver's license please
>>507422028>what is warden flask
>>507422028Nah Warden flask is, and that's coming from a Warden abuser. Viscous is some bullshit cancer though early game, supportcucks will just never admit to it. Thankfully he doesn't scale well.
>>507421684I realized that the developers are legitimately retarded when they stated that Viper isn't Kali>same model>similar abilities>not the same heroWhat the fuck
>>507422092>>507422117I don't believe youWarden flask has a worse arc
>>507422007get a mouse with thumb buttons and rebind melee
>>507376108Too many of the interesting and fun items above 3k souls don't get play because almost no game ever lasts that long. And also, those items come into play so late that they don't really help your "build". You spend 90%+ of the game with tier 1 and 2 items, with some 3s here and there depending. And only at the end do you get 6k+ items which only really help you "win more" so the game just ends soon anyway.I honestly think that they should lower item costs across the board for the tier 3 and 4 items so they get more play. It would change the games dynamic so much (hopefully for the better) as well as expand on every characters build/play styles because you actually have access to the strong items. You'll be able to play each character more differently than just "shoot fast" "burst down" "duration extend" etc.
There is genuinely nothing more cancer in this world than going up against an actual good Viscous, I honestly suspect his winrate would be far higher if he wasn't so difficult to actually play. Even someone like Lash is pretty braindead to get value out of, even if he requires more skill than most of the cast.
>>507422308I have one, but use both already. One for voice comm and another for self casts. Maybe I could try a different voice button and use the thumb for parry.>>507422080US East, NJ-Chad, 120+ FPS (limited to 150 since I have a 144 monitor), ping is typically in the low 20s-30s (80+ if the faggot games puts me in some nigger region)
>>507422283we're talking about hitbox compared to the visuals. Also the AOE on warden's is just flat out larger at 6.5 meters compared to splatter's 5 meters. Not to mention visually splatter leaves a visual decal on the floor while wardens is pretty much a mostly transparent particle.
>>507422092>>507422028>shiv knife throwNothing personnel girlboss
>>507422548are you allowed to drive, anon?
Why does Shiv get a pass for having a lock on instant execute ability but there's constant seething and whining over Vindicta's assassination alongside nerfs. Her assassinate was even getting nerfs before her winrate was high due to her crow buff, what gives?
>>507422703And I ride a motorcycle too
>>507422921>Why does Shiv get a pass for having a lock on instant execute abilityBecause they have no idea what other ult to give him30% hp instant kill is retarded under any circumstance
>>507422921Shiv has to be within range. Vindicta can just ass rape you from any distance provided they have good aim. Though I think Shiv is more annoying since once they're locked on, you're done no matter what and it takes no skill to "auto aim" Shiv's ultimate.
>>507422921>>507422979>>507423048asessing when can push and to be able to get a pick with shiv is skilled , it doesn't need to be anything but lock-on because of that. shiv is already weak as well
>>507422954>motorcyclethere's your problemtry starting a fight inside a bus, that'll up your reactions speeds a bit
>get rinsed in lane>try and farm to catch back up>can't farm a lane, someone comes and stops me even on my own half>can't farm jungle because the "carries" on my team clear it faster than I can get to themI genuinely do not know what to do other than punch boxes and get flamed for not being able to keep up
>>507423264>asessing when can push and to be able to get a pickrisk/reward assessment is literally the core moba skillyou don't get away with instant unmitigatable shutdown just because it takes more than 1 braincell
>645Shivtard is an ESL. Lol.
It feels so lonely here when the betsanon is gone, anyone wanna talk about Deadlock?
>>507422028>>507422092>>507422690All three of you are factually wrong, its a tie between geist bomb and yamato slash.
>>507425790Power slash is SLIGHTLY more honest now, it used to actually be the worst
>>507425856If we include old variants then it's gotta be kudzu
>>507425419I've been here feeding on Yamato all day, those posts are meI can go back to Bets posting if you want
>>507421450it really isnt the same without veil walker huh
how do you maintain constant 1k spm since the start of the game?
>>507426718you dont
>>507426718Since the very start is a bit hard, the first 5 minutes or so don't have lots of soul available. After that it's just a matter of clearing up creep waves when you see them approaching a guardian or walker (especially if you're by yourself) and using your downtime to farm neutral camps nearby. Even if you don't kill a lot you'll still have a good economy, also remember that taking down objectives awards souls as well.
Seven is an escaped convict, right?Why is Ivy's voiceline to him about having money?
>>507422269they gave viper a difference voice actor and the model is a placeholder
>>507427276i think seven is gonna get like a voiceline overhaul at some point, he has a lot of voicelines about money
>Kelvin is a literal zombie
AlrightOne Bets before I go to bed or Santa won't let Ivy sit on my face for Christmas
>>507427776Not my problem
>>507427276>an escaped convicthe's supposed to be some evil magic prodigy that survived a magical electric chair and escapedthere needs to be a complete redesign instead of this rice hat look he's got going on, because it reeks of the sci-fi jap influence and doesn't really scream "occult" to me
>>507427776i thought you wanted more straight wight men
>>507427965Nevermind, the Warden leftI'm going to bedMerry Christmas and Happy Holidays, /dlg/I fucking hate playing Abrams because every cunt knows how to counterplay while I don't even know HOW to play
YamatoBros how do I kill 2peepo in one shadow transformation.
>>507429550>2peepoyou slit your throat
>>507429618Seven told me to kms when I asked how to get Yamato skin, maybe you are correct
>>507429451Why do you play so many different heroes?
>>507422269They will change Kali to kangaroo
Got the Shiv skin within even knowing how to. Have no other skins at all since I havent been playing much. What are some fun/easy ones to shoot for?
>>507427276Haze's organization is the one that hunted him down iirc, they have voicelines with each other.
>>507430351
>>507430535all of these seem gay desu
>>507430351>within even knowing how tohow many layers of ESL are you on bro?
>>507430351Dynamo, kelvin and shiv is pretty much just playing the game normally.
>>507431205Gonna cry Shekelberg?
>>507431420Maybe you should try getting a job.In a body bag.
>the working class is calling each other jews and praying that they will kill themselves>the triggering offense: playing the same video game and speaking the same languagei'm having my chud breakdown. it's so over for our gay ass species
>>507430535>Haze: Killstreak of 7 enemiesoh so the devs do know she's broken
>>507432239Shitlowbro...
>>507432119>speaking the same languagewe only speak american here and he's brown
>>507400586no it used to last a minute and was gauranteed to get everyone to 1hp
>>507433504The current ult would still be as good as the old ult if it didn't have its range significantly nerfed on top of all of the nerf to reach AND duration items.
>>507432239I see more bibops going 16/2 over hazethey still lose though
Poor little boosted Pocketards, can't abuse a broken piece of shit anymore ):
>>507433504>>507433763is there anything you can do with it?
>>507435489It's still an AOE with solid damage but that's all there to it. Try to hit as many people as you can and it's extra damage on top of your other damage combo. It's not really a complicate ability
>>507430535>AbramsWas Abrams intended to be melee gorilla from the start or Devs caught up to what players are doing with him?
>>507436431he was always supposed to be close range but i wouldn't say he was intended to be a melee gorilla until the charge let you hit people into walls for a free melee hit
Frenzy is overtuned cancer
>>507421450Get rid of swift striker, get berserker instead (frenzy should be one of your first T4)You don't need both point blank and slowing bullet. You can do with neither if you just use cold front and/or slowing hex (which is better even for a gun build). You are probably better off with upgrading to pristine emblem as core T3Fill out your purple slot. Slowing hex or cold front would be good. You need more green items since Yamato needs to survive up close. Fortitude would be good. Return fire would be good.
>>507439383It is but also it's not really a 6k, it's 7.2kIt's simply too expensive not unlike Escalating exposure
>>507436050It also is an easy way to stack mystic exposure/vulnerability
I can't even think of ragebait
I didn't play deadlock yesterday, probably won't play it today either
>>507430535These skins aren't going to last, right? I don't want to play heroes I have no idea how to play as and just get frustrated trying to get these.
>>507444182nigga get some prozac and fish oil
>>507445289Yeah they're permanent, we'll all be wearing Christmas skins year round.
>>507445556You're assuming Deadlock is going to last another year.
>doing Gundamo and have more kills than most of my team>Russian gets on mic>"sell gun items and buy refresher dynamo"uninstalling this game soon
>>507445626If the game isn't gonna last then why worry about the skins to begin with, dumbass.
>>507445757i got a russian infernus player (he was total dogshit) and it was so funny that whenever i tried to shit talk him back i just burst out laughing and had to mute
>>507440309Also, kinetic dash is a must as well unless you really really suck with dash jump
>>507447316kd is fleetfoot for the mechanically retarded
>>507450193>an item that requires somewhat delicate timing is mechanically retarded compared to an item that is activated whenever you wantkek, at least try with your bait, retard.
>Billion deathsI wanna kms
Why are teammates such fucking shysters? They say to engage, they want to do something (deliver urn, midboss, etc) but as soon as you show up? Where the fuck are they? No one where to be seen, or just doing some retard shit like cowering in a corner while you get ass raped by 3+ enemies. Absolutely zero commitment to anything. Same in the reverse, you do something like grab urn and ask for help delivering it and it would be so simple and easy to do. But what do they do despite being asked for help while there's 4 teammates basically standing on top of you? They fuck off and farm 2 minions. I mean how fucking stupid can these people get its insane
>>507450704On one hand yea, shit suck when your teammates fuck you overOn the other hand, it is possible that you misplay yourself and don't see the big picture of every play so you are actually out of position and your teammates can't help. I try to make clear on mic on what to do and specifically when to engage or disengage but some players get pissed for being "micromanaged" and just want to do their own thing and play the game "quietly". However, they complain AFTER disastrous play about something their teammates didn't do or didn't help them or w/e when they refused to communicate to avoid such situation in the first place.
>>507450193Yoshi WILL nerf your crutch one day, mark my wordsImagine playing around an op animation cancel that only ONE item enables
I cant believe I fapped to that huffing ivy picture wtfff
I imagine every geist player smugly wiping the drool from their chin whenever they manage to make it behind a corner in a team fight
>>507455767That's what I imagine is happening when some asshole disjoints my bebop bomb
>>507455908thats what I imagine a bebop does when he grabs someone while sitting behind a wall
>>507456354that's what I imagine when you suck my cock
Yamato VA rework and her proposed new aesthetic is a mistake.She should be a life-sized cursed or possessed doll, so that her weird inhuman aesthetic can be preserved, plus her 4 activation just screams "ghost shit".
>>507456765and there it is, pure faggot projection
>>507457748>didn't deny sucking my cockkek
>>507457775>bebop player>is a gay retardcolor me shocked
>>507457734I don't give a fuck as long as her ult transformation untie her hair and make her look wild.
>>507458040you're the one sucking cock here, you've got some nerve calling me gay
realistically, when will this game officially release for realsies with art assets finished and polished
>>507458471When that other anon admits to the rest of you that he actually sucked my cock.
>>507457734has there been any progress on it? I just miss the miku voicelines, hope they add them back
>>507458471I genuinely think they could polish up what they have now and release it as a full open beta and it would be very popular. Put in some rudamentory rewards like some skins or a free 'battlepass' (or even a $20 "supporter" price tag) and you'd have people playing in droves.
>>507458471Consider that dota models are 10y old I think it's safe to say they are already done
>>507458651They could, but valve doesn't really do that.
>>507459182yeah cause theyre retarded
Im hoping for a full grey talon visual rework but they'll probably just give him more polygons and add some extra beads and feathers to his outfit and call it a day
>take almost 4 week break from Niglock>get 3 xmas outfits in 3 matches>win 0 games out of any of them>continue to lose 5 games in a row>enemies seem tankier, people seem faster and I have no idea what the fuck has happened to the map
It's honestly such a fucking tragedy. Valve are just so shit sometimes. Any other company would have looked at the success back in September and said "Well god damn let's go into full production and get this game finished! All hands on deck!".Instead it's been an entire year of them plodding along dragging their feet with nothing but random balance changes. The biggest fucking visual update in the game was the fucking hotel.Is the game just not popular in Valve's offices so they can't get a workforce behind it? It's baffling. I wonder if the game will actually just stay in this 'pre alpha' limbo and let the game slowly die out without it ever being completed. It legit feels like there's ~10 people working on the game and 9 of them are programmers/balance team with one artist/modeler.
I can only assume this is a noob question but why would I spend souls on high priced items when I can get more low tier priced items faster and cheaper which gives me multiple bonuses outside of just 1 items bonuses? Does that make sense? You can get titanic mag for 3k, or 6 500 items for the same, or 2 1250 items. As the game goes on sure you want to better bonuses of the 3k/etc, but too often I see teammates with empty slots and only 1-2 items of 1250/3k value. Is that really the good strat? Because as I see it you're gimping yourself hard. Also, buying cheaper items while your enemy has empties allows you to fight more easily and farm more easily which also leads to more money for you faster which gives you better items quicker.Or am I missing something?
>>507460885Your strategy would work if it were possible to end games early. But often that doesn't happen unless the enemy plays so poorly that your item choices are pretty much irrelevant anyway.
>>507460885Filling slots is usually the best idea, if you have a strong lead or you're coming up on a power spike it can be worth to save though
>>507460885You are not missing something, people are just dumb. You should always try to have all your slots with items because even if your character needs an item to come online, there are very good t1/t2 items that pay for themselves or helps you counter other heroes.The way i do it at least is always get your 500 items and your 1200 utility items (kinetic dash, slowing hex, healbane, mystic) then either save up for upgrades or for bigger items.
>>507460885with few exceptions this is the case, 6k items are slot efficient but in terms of raw stats and passives, the lower cost are more soul efficient, general exceptions are some big power spike items for people fulfilling a role, like tanks wanting torment pulse or pocket wanting a diviners
>>507403863its snowy season
>>507460607anon, they built a game that is competition to two of their own existing games, dont expect logic from valve, a company that has spent well over a decade ignoring their own breakout ip. I mean actually look at these things objectively, those are horrendous if not insane business decisions. In fact, they weren't even decisions, they are the inevitable consequences of a poorly managed company that is only able to get by from skimming money off the top of every sale on steam.
>>507460885that really depends on how the game goes and what chararacter you playsometimes rushing a 3k item early is a good powerspike, sometimes you're long enough away from the shop to keep a 6k soul bag at 15 minutes so you buy a t4 early
>>507458471Another full revamp is still not off the table.
>>507460607it's not the lack of modelers they are just actually retarded>plant creeps fully finished and unimplemented for months>shrine animations fully finished and unimplemented for months >viscous model finished for a year but unimplemented because instead of animating it they want to reanimate wraith for some reasongrim
>>507464784>>plant creeps fully finished and unimplemented for months>>shrine animations fully finished and unimplemented for months>roll out improvements one at a time to make a small splashvs>roll out all of it at once to promote the update as "BIG VISUAL OVERHAUL"this christmas shit was done by literally one person in their free time
>>507466609Prove it
>>507454802
Disgusting fat rat ugly cheap gargoyle is a useless character and you are better off picking anything else if you plan to play as a honest to god, 9 to 5, hard working person.
>>507470005>honest to god, 9 to 5, hard working personpatron summoning is a full-time job
withering whip my beloved
my dog was barking in my ear so i fucked it up lolNEW THREAD>>507471147>>507471147>>507471147
>play Abrams now>feels like everyone has auto-parry scriptsnever has there been a character so gutted by one script in a video game
