Tantrum Edition>Previous>>507568156>WHAT IS HELLDIVERS 2?HELLDIVERS 2 is a 2024 co-op, squad-based, PvE 3rd person shooter for PC and PS5 where players fight against hordes of alien insects and robots to Spread Democracy. Players wage war on a number of contested planets, each with a different environment, completing as many objectives as possible within a procedurally generated area while constrained by a time limit. With enough successful operations a planet can be completely liberated, and the player base must cooperate to try to liberate the entire galaxy by focusing and combining their efforts as much as possible. https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers-2/>WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST HELLDIVERS GAME?Released in 2015 for PC, PS3/4 and PS Vita, the original HELLDIVERS is the origin of the setting and basic gameplay formula of HELLDIVERS 2. The major difference is that HELLDIVERS is a top-down shooter, its mechanics being based primarily on Arrowhead's previous game Magicka.https://store.steampowered.com/app/394510/HELLDIVERS_Dive_Harder_Edition/https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers/>INFORMATION RESOURCEShttps://helldivers.wiki.gg/https://helldiverscompanion.com/https://helldivers.io/https://invadersfromplanet.space/helldivers-2/>MAJOR NEWSNov 13: Democracy Space Station https://twitter.com/helldivers2/status/1856900453667164360Dec 12: Omens of Tyrrany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk0XkX0U_m0Dec 13: Urban Legends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uchI4TFLOTgDec 18: Killzone collab part 1 https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516322672418750491Dec 19: Killzone collab part 2 https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516322672418750732>LATEST PATCHDec 18 1.002.003 https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516322672418750479
I hate tankshttps://files.catbox.moe/qqcsmv.mp4
The FRV is the most game-changing stratagem that has ever been added to Helldivers. If you invest the effort in to learn how to take advantage of its strengths and how to play around its fragility, the overall efficacy of the Helldiver is increased fivefold, at a minimum.
Scrappy rebel 4th faction. What twisted and unfair tactics might they employ?
>>507638551Will never happen. They'll make Hybrid factions of the current 3.>>507638551
>>507638551They'll call in their own version of Eagle strike and artillery.
>>507638069okay but tank when
>>507638069and it's the most fun i've had in ages nothing comes close
>>507638707Probably after the APC
>>507638707>one main gunner>one loader/machine gunner>one commander/primary/stratagem user>one driverMight be fun.
>>507638707just wait this is all we have of the tank
I got one! Nice!
We've got Freeman!>exit menu>helldiver gets a tanYou guys weren't kidding about orbiting those suns all the time
It'll be hilarious when full team wipes increase by 10000% when they introduce the Bastion
>>507639442That better just be a low-res casemate and not turreted.
>>507639659What's that?
>>507639535If only drill instructor Barnes could see me now.
>no lobbiessteam://joinlobby/553850/109775244324575411/76561198120804312D10 bugs. I wanna chill and kill bugs. Come and have fun anons.
>>507639786no, your not getting a swivel turret. Your locked to a 45 degree angle cannon and a front turret. Best just use the ATE lol
>>507638998what's so fun about it? It's just a car.
>Have all the samples >Solo'ed all the objectives (team was around, but failing)>Was supporting and killing hordes of enemies waiting for allies to catch up>Still got kickedNot once did I get kicked playing on console, why are PC players so fragile?
>>507638069Every time I hop in one of those on a non-/hdg/ game the driver gets me killed. It's only about half the time with you guys.
>>507640073it's a cool design
>>507640360>why are PC players so fragile?Mental illness. They don't really play games, but instead bitch about optimization until it happens. Also the NEED mods if they do play games.
>>507640360pc players are odd specimen, one time I hosted a lobby and after dying 4 times and landing on me with their hellpod a guy left without a word
>>507640001>failed to join lobby
Still kicking, doing bots or bugs, lobby decides2/4steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244311157681/76561198050013591
>flamethrower>chemical backpack>orbital fire barrage>cannon turret>stim pistol if I fuck somebody up>can hang out the side of the car and use the flamethrower at max car speedwhen are we getting a flamethrower backpack
>>507641126full
>>507641327>Nuisance-Retard buildYou sound like you're fun to dive with, and I'm not being facetious.
Bugs are better on tight closed off mapsBots are better in the open
>Defend super earth MOWe can't possibly fail this right?
>>507643137How fucking new are you.
>dive into surprise heavy dev instamelt range>Halt doesn't give a fuck and stuns before he even finishes his "SCUM" call out>doesn't even get to start blastingGod I love how aggressive this gun lets you play bots
>>507644174...this is what halt users have been hyping up this entire time?
>>507644174this and arc thrower have irreversibly changed my gameplay style and i play extremely close range these days (killmogging)
>>507644252What, having more fun in the game? Yeah pretty much.
>>5076411263/4Finishing last mission for bot
>>507644295The Arc Thrower is great for kill mogging because even though it doesn't necessarily kill many bots, it still lets you stake your claim to a whole line of kills every time you fire it.
>>507644706well to be fair it also does kill the whole line of bots after about 2 more seconds of sustained fire
>>507644174I do this except with diligence. They really nerfed heavy dev aim hard after the 60 day patch.
>>507640001GG. Had fun. Fun but brutal.
>>507640001>failed both the bug and botOur spawns were cursed /hdg/. It was complete hell, straight out of the Alexus' fantasies. I'm sorry for playing like shit anons. I'm sorry for hosting a fucked lobby.
>>507644998Well yeah but the difference is that if you miss and hit the shield you're melted. Even if you aimpunch them you're still taking damage. You will always take zero damage unless you somehow miss with the Halt. And the Halt also stuns multiple targets. I've stunned up to 3 Heavy Devs with one shot before. Diligence can't do that.
>>507644604this rapid weapon swapping reminds me of old degreaser gameplay from tf2
>>507645343Eh I compensate with positioning and I've gotten really good at popping their heads.
>>507644174This isn't impressive. Post buff devastators are push overs.
>>507645937It would have killed a prime heavy devastator just the same that's the point of the clip.
>>507645294Heckdivers to heckpods indeed.
>>507645294>failed>in the current day and age
Still cant decide if the Wasp is a better or worse spear. So far it: >Decent on Squids>meh on Bugs.How is it on bots?
Lobbo doko?
>>507646759It's great on bots; makes all the midrange clankers trivial when they would normally eat up a shitload of boolets, you can shoot down gunships in 2-3 shots, you can take out Hulks at a safe distance with a full volley. It just doesn't handle cannon emplacements that well, and doesn't do much to robo-dogs. Overall, it seemed to pair well with the Liberal Penetrator for me.
>>507646831what do you want to play
>>507646759It takes down gunships in two rockets, and can destroy bunker turrets pretty quick too which is nice, but against other heavy units it's hit or miss. Sometimes the rockets will find their way to the proper weak spots and take them out with a magazine, sometimes it doesn't do shit. Haven't found a reason to use the artillery mode, every time I switch to it I can't tell if it does anything, I see it fire off and explode over a crowd but nothing seems to die.Maybe it's more of a medium unit clearer? I can shoot devastator heads and rocket strider racks just fine with base Liberator so I don't see the point of using it for that. If it could lock onto multiple targets I might see more worth in it
>>507646831>Great at taking out gunships>Great at taking out 3-5 shield devs and striders in a single mag quickly>Full burst will remove the top turret on the dogKinda a nice AA/Medium weapon.
Yep, another day of using the Tenderizer for me.
>>507646179I don't think so, that dev stared at him for a good 3 seconds without doing anything. Its been a while but I'm pretty sure devs used to have much quicker reaction times.
>>507645937>pre-nerf Devastator: 125 HP on head with 1 armor, or 100 HP with 2 armor>pre-buff Senator: 150 damage with AP3You stupid, dumb motherfucker.
Merry Christmas to you too, Pelican
>>507647768the guy who called it in there knew what he was doing
>>507646759They serve two very different purposes. The Spear is for killing super tough targets in a single shot, while the Wasp has trouble with heavies but can kill medium enemies in one or two shots (assuming the missile tracks properly).Against bots, it's only reliable against medium targets like Devastators, but it's super good at that. Killing a Hulk can take 1 or 2 magazines depending on how lucky you are with the hits, though it seems to kill Factory Strider dorsal turrets fairly reliably in 1 magazine. I would pair it with an AT Emplacement if possible, that lets you kill virtually everything in the game.
>>507647873WRONG. Because I threw it. And I didn't see it land so close to the water :(
>>507647625Hey retard, I was referring to how the devastator just stared at him and did nothing. My memory isn't the best but I remember devastators having much quicker reaction times. Did you play the game prior to the 60 day patch?
Can cars be flipped upright somehow?
>>507648342not really
>>507648342we don't even have the strength of an odst to flip cars over unfortunately
>>507648342there's a very fucky way to do it>ragdoll yourself under it and hope latency teleports you through the car>have an enemy corpse launched at the carnothing that'd not require retarded workarounds though
>>507648285It wasn't aware of his presence to begin with, notice how its eyes only light up after he gets in front of it. That's how all enemies act, once you enter their field of vision they take a second or two to get ready to attack. The situations that you're thinking of are when a Devastator already knows where you are and is already shooting at you even with a wall between the two of you.
Glad to see this game still always crashes when you kill too many bots
>>507649653>he's still shooting dropships
>>507648342Use another car.
>>507649757can't control what turrets shoot
>>507649905sentries are for sissiesdo your own killing
UOOOOOUUUUUGHHHH!!!!!!!!! H-HELLDIVERS!!!!!!HELLDIVERS.... LOOK LIKE THAT?!??!? OOOOOOOOOOH MY GOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS... TH-THIS IS WHAT HELLDIVERS REALLY ARE!!!!!!! U-UUUUOOOUUUUUUHHH!!!!
Has anyone managed to get the car to serve satisfactorily on bots?
>>507650340Nipples too large to breastfeed properly. Offspring would starve. 0/10 would not breed.
>>507650557yeah, I popped a tire with the backblast onceI was pretty satisfied
>those fucking squids fucked off to a desert planet now figger it out squiggers
>>507650617Those are for feeding adults, apparently.
>>507650340>indarholy fuck that would be such a comfy place to dive
>>507650340
>>507646759It eats mags on d10 bots since every patrol is 7~ devs and a hulk. the tank busting is good although the scorcher does it better
>>507651058>original sweet liberty
>get into cheaty gook lobby>Doesn't even give me fucking samplestrash
>>507640090The most female-coded post in the history of 4chan
>>507650617bro? your breast pump?
>>507651358>Not drinking straight from the tap
>>507640090
>>507649905you don't do your own shooting with eagles or orbitals either
>>507647898>The Spear is for killing super tough targets in a single shot
>>507644174>missed the head on a stunned dev at close range TWICEAnon...
>>507652454let's see YOU take a crack it
>do squids with /hdg/>jetpack squids fly around rampantly shooting us because nobody ever kills them
>>507652779*at
clans when
>>507653019need clan hall on dss where we can go in and hug each other until we fall asleep
>>507653124ok, I don't want clans anymorefucking fruit
>>507652856I'm always the only single person killing them in every lobby, same for harvesters.I always have to kill 20-30+ in a row without help while dodging harvester beams, voteless and kung fu squids beating my ass while nobody covers me either.I'm not dying and I'm used to it, but it's fucking miserable and I could use the help once in a while.
Did they nerf the fortresses? I feel like I don't see many or any of those medium sized turrets any more.
>>507652856lmao imagine shooting up when you could be shooting down and watching yellow number go up haha.
>>507653290Sorry, bro, I'm already killing the flying oveerseers where I can and I want to help with the harvesters, but I am absolute ass at aiming at their limbs with my machine gun. Best I can do for you is breaking the shield.
D10 KILLING SQUIGGERS JOINsteam://joinlobby/553850/109775244334264773/76561198010223720
>>507654201Private lobby
>>507654526FIXED IT JOIN NOW
hey lads. got this game today.was doing the mission where you just have to kill a lot of bugs in a very tiny map, difficulty level 7. my friend ran outside the map for >10 seconds and triggered the barrage trying to kill him(?). but he ran back into the map and survived for a long time but the orbital shots didnt stop. it ended up getting us like 70% progress before he finally died. thought it was funny. might be a valid strategy lol
THIS IS YOUR REMINDER TO TELL PEOPLE TO SHOOT THE BLACK HIP JOINTS OF HARVESTERS AND THAT BREAKING THEIR HORN DISABLES THEIR SHIELD.
>DSS has been dead for weeks>botnigs still go to Vog because that's where it is
>>507651341>codedTrannies not welcome in this bread
>>507654742>failed to joinAnon...
>>507654201Absolutely cursed server.
>>507646759>bugsJust take the ABRL>squids It really depends what the rest of their roster looks like>botsIt's currently best on the bot front, as a hard counter to devastators and gunships. Inconsistent vs heavier units though but it can kill hulks and tanks if you're lucky. In terms of overall effectiveness vs bots it's probably just behind the AMR
>>507656096what did I do :(
>>507656258Just funny that each one of us lost connection to the server at least once. I can't join back in so I assume someone else already took my place. Good luck.
"Bugs are to ea-"You'll eat those words. And this bug'll eat you.
I really hope they don't fix the kick emote.
>>507656504Nah, I'd win
>>507638707I hope we never get the tankbecause if we do, it's gonna be fragile shit like mechs, control even worse than buggy, have firepower of eruptor and ammo count of grenade pistol
>>507652779joke's on you I don't play diff 7
>380>napalm anything>alerts watcher>carinsta kicks.
Wouldn't it be funny if we let the bots conquer Super Earth for reckoning day, haha
>>507657935Would be cool if they release bot urban maps with a SE defense but won't happen, I don't expect anything to happen until January
>>507656504Nothing some Flak Autocannon, Spear and Wasp barrages can't fix. Also looks like it would soak up Airburst RL shots real good.
>>507658180You mean mid January
>>507658634January isn't mid.
>>507658634You mean early February.
Free Orbital Railcannon
>>5076586347th January at earliest
>>507652856>during Squigger reveal>everybody fighting over killing everything>actual competetive murdering>jetpackers could stay in the air for up to five seconds before eating an AMR to the jetpack or getting hosed down by MMG fire>people running towards Harvesters to figure out where to shoot them better>"guys stop activating SAM sites it's more fun that way"hdggers that aren't burn out on squids by now must be pretty special
>>507659212>>"guys stop activating SAM sites it's more fun that way"this is the usual MO for anyone who isn't retardedSAM killing off shit you could be killing yourself is lame
there are STILL people ITT who absolutely cannot deal with rocket chickens.
>>507659212>You will never feel like a shitter bumbling his way through enemies trying to figure what works and what doesn't again
What if unflinching gave you the same recoil buff as fortified and engineering kit
>>507659719>recoil reduction armor>-40% recoil>crouch>-40% recoil>prone>-80% recoil>ADS>-40% recoilcompletely unneccessary because there's a million and one ways to reduce recoil
>>507659212People also need to stop shooting Observers, squid drops are fun.
>>507660014>at ease in front of an observer>it gets shot half a second before calling in the saucers
the magic is gone...not even bots give me those thrills anymore...
Open lobby
do the automatons have human brains
WTF, we just failed the defence on Canopus and it reverted to SE control. I wanted to see what the regular squid missions were.
>>507660285hello newfriend, the squids are stealing E-710 fuel and fucking off, they are not actually invading.
>>507660285how new?
>>507660285This happens to every illuminate invasion we lose.
I kinda miss the voice chat larpers from when the gane first launched and everyone was having fun learning the game
kek
>>507660482be the change you want to see
>>507660632>90%>level 7u wot?
>>507660482>voice chat when the game released with randos>actually managed to get a friend or two because of it>start playing with /coopeg/ and /hdg/ more>don't want to be known as the obnoxious fag who voice chats And so I never spoke again!
>>507660632Isn't that Evac Blitz?
>>507660935>>don't want to be known as the obnoxious fag who voice chatsif you aren't an actual, genuine cocksucker whose only contribution is either complaining about not playing """""properly""""" or stoner laughing about le funny explosions, you're good
>>507661012No, looks like the regular civilian evac mission. Scientist evac got scrapped many months ago because they weren't fun.
>>507661457That's 100% Evac Blitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1hm991h/comment/m3sg9y1/Beginning of the video says "Rescue science teams" tooPlebbit fell for the (You) farm lmao
>>507660632whatI can solo d7 bots and I'm probably a bad player by /hdg/ standards
>>507660632>8.2k updootsGrim.
>>507661770Most weapons were unusable back then, the ones that weren't were shitty in comparison to now too
why do the new illuminate only have 2 arms
>>507662406they were forcibly disarmed following their defeat in the first galactic war
>>507662406Illuminate aren't real. It's just SEAF cosplay.
Am I missing something when it comes to blowing up Illuminate outposts? You destroy the shield then chuck a grenade in the door and that should be that, right? I'm bouncing my grenade into the door yet it feels like a total crapshoot if it actually works or not.
>>507662705one of the two doors is immune to regular grenades, swedish spaghetti code.just circle around and toss it in the other one and it will blow up.
>>507662406because they have always had only 2 arms?
>>507662774Figures. Thanks anon.
>>507662406Even the overseers are voteless, but fully transformed by foul squid autocracy. Real squids will come from Meridia
so what about that rootkit that the game installs onto your pc
>>507663089Good for harvesting your data, doesn't really stop chinks from chinkcheating
>>507663089It [THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN DELETED BY GAMEGUARD]
WHEN WILL AH FIX THE BOUNCY BEACONSTHIS SHIT DRIVES ME UP THE FUCKING WALL
>>507660224Yes, because of the buffs.
>not only he installed the anti-cheat crypto miner>but he also installed the SC arrow mod crypto minerman, zoomers really can't into technology, can they?
>>507643137It's a christmas gift of 100 medals, anon
New mod just dropped my game is going to implode at this rate
>>507663505nice ps2 game
>>507660632A /hdg/ regular probably made that post. This general and reddit literally have the same opinions on balance.
>>507663505does that actually do anything?
why don't the squids and bots team up?
>>507663672Just cosmetics, it's a mod>>507663572Elaborate
>>507652856Your WASP?
>>507663505Now that I think about it, a mod that removes/lessens the smoke from ATE impacts would probably make it 2-3x as powerful. It really obscures a lot as is.
>>507663332>SC mod cryptominerI love this tech illiterate take
Saving the final patriotic administration center upgrade for last fuck walking that far
>>507664546shh, it's funnier if browns/kids miss out
>replying to an ironic shitpost while flashing your dunning-kruger>replying to yourself afterwardspeak retard
>>507656504Would
>>507664291You can do that with Reshade Shader Toggler (Enabled after destroying the Shredder and disabled before finishing all the Heavy Devastators). I didn't hunt down every shader but you should be able to remove all effects if you actually take your time, I just use it if there's too much smoke from destroyed Dropships and Hulks lowering my FPS
>>507666005>Two anti-tank shots to kill a god damn shredder tankWHY ARE OUR WEAPONS STILL SO FUCKING WEAK?! RETARDED SWEDES PLEASE KYS!
>>507666005Is this most powerful stratagem so far? It's powerful against everything and its only downside is the slow turn rate.
>>507666575>only downside is the slow turn rate.And that you sometimes get stuck on it
>>507666698That's more on the swedes than the turret.
>>507666520Anon, robots aren't using Russian tanks, so of course they won't be 1 hit kills.Unless you pop the turret with RR.
>>507666698stop chatting while operating heavy weaponry
>>507666575>Is this most powerful stratagem so far?Deployed in the optimal position - the top of a hill overlooking as much of the map as possible - yeah, 100%. The problem is that the map seed or even the entire planet might not be great for it.
>>507666520It's already way too powerful as it is>>507666575Yeah, a single AT emplacement can finish a D9 Blitz, it has too much ammo and too much AoE when it should be as wasteful as using an EAT on a Trooper
>>507666759>>507666984Hello Alexis! Please KYS.
>>507667172I also want -1 stratagem back now that most stratagems are good
is this what leandivers get up to on their time off?
>>507635879thats fucking stupid. for once the nerf tranny is right, the hmg damage is in the right place.when you needlessly go from NIGGER to FAGGOT what ends up happening is that you automatically nerf the normal guns because they lose their niches to the one eierlegende wollmillchsau that does it all.although the balance state is at least as complicated as a spider diagram, it can ultimately be boiled down to an overall point count as well as versatility in slot - even if the javelin and wasp will ever function properly, purely from a utilitarian pov they just dont cut it vs the spectrum of uses amr, ac8 & carl gustav offer.
>>507667741>eierlegende wollmillchsauyou just say jack of all trades, Landa
I hope D11 has its own ruleset or special units that specifically fuck over crutch shitters. >Fortified-fabs/deep-hives that can only be killed thru the vents or with grenades.>New operation modifiers that limit orbitals like how eagles get double fucked over by Call-in and Cooldown.>Units that are highly explosive resistant so that weakpoints have a purpose again.>Side objectives that can only be destroyed by Hellbombs.>More aggressive patrols so retards that run off solo cant just keep running away. And to top it all off>no rewards for playing on D11, so the actual shitters fuck off and stay on baby mode.
>>507662406They do, it's just tucked away
>>507668272We will never get any real difficulty in this game thanks to redditors and /hdg/.
>>507668272Just un-stupifying the AI would go a long way too. Everything stops for you now, I've survived retarded shit that a few months ago would have instakilled me
>>507637965kino video anon but turn down the ui scaling holy fuck
>>507669167He's playing on his Steam Deck
>no patchdead game
>>507669380>Thursday
>>507668070fuck you, its a neat word.
>>507637965Remember to watch out for ammo cookups.
>>507668272Just making bugs 2 times faster than they are now and increasing the amount of bots spawned by 2 times would make it fun.
>>507668529Is that how they position their arms on the cuck chair as they watch me break their wives with big human cock?
>>507670446There's fem squid?
>>507670579Yeah, there is nowhttps://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/1262
>>507670787ok we don't need to genocide ALL of the squids....
>>507671017*BLAM*
>>507671017
>>507671017Yes we do! You filthy little xenophile!
Rooms?
>>507663505>no cup holder for your beershit tier mod
>>507670787>THIS MOD CONTAINS ADULT CONTENT PLEASE LOGIN
>>507672810But anon, boobs aren't safe-horny...
>Emplacement drops scalding hot shells right into your face
>>507662559Didnt expect that, good job Carlos for making me chuckle
>>507673362
>>507658957Finally, a reason to use it!
>>507655336I go to vog because it's the only biome i like since the fucking normies took back sheltI ain't dealing with sand and mangrove planets
>>507672810Oh man imagine that undemocratic thing running through fog with a thick futa cock swaying in the breeze to pin you down. haha.
>>507674104>waah waah shelt>what is martalepeak botdiver retardation
Guys, which warbond should I get, Polar Patriots or Truth Enforcers?
Did you buy anything?
>>507674337Polar definitelyTruth Enforcers is primarily for the /fa/ but it does have a funny title you can get
>>507673808Not even worth the time to input it
>>507674382cleaned it out thanks to hdg farm rooms and shekel visionworking on clearing out the rest of the warbonds and building a stockpile in case AH make shekel vision not work anymore
>>507674192haha
>>507674382Yeah, all of it
where are the ROOMS
>>507674385Got it. The weapons in Truth seem fun though.
>>507674672I can only host SC farm.
>>507674192Back to your discord containment cell!
>>507674337Polar Patriots.It has meta plasma rifle.
>>507638551>Assault rifles and flip flopsbest combo
>>507638551>They can take over SEAF sites, giving them access to AA and artillery>They actively try to ambush you>Placing traps, such as mines, on extraction and other mission points
>>507674337Poopoo patriots has more content.
Please...rooms onegai...don't make me play with the pubbies...
anyone been experiencing lots of disconnects on illuminate?
>>507675839>mfw rebel sam downs the toucan carrying my apc
>>507674192
>>507666520Helldiver gear is primarily NATO inspired so sadly no instakill flying AT drones for us
>>507676080you're gonna freak out when you find out about the dornier DAR
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244359643991/76561198335877145D10 Whatev
>>5076763872/4
>>507670446
>>507676387Pool's closed
They gotta nerf orbital napalm. Normies on D10 bugs are insane they throw this shit like it's candy. Doesn't even close bug holes just makes it impossible to move around or kills you with how close they're throwing it.
>>507677350make it a lv150 unlockit won't stop them, but it'll make it less accessible for tourists
>>507674104How can you like Vog when it has these cancer blizzards that make you blind and slowEven fire tornados are better than that, at least they don't fucking cripple me until I touch them
>>507674104Snow is literally the same as sand. And take Muscle Enhancement you shitter
WHY ARE THE EYES YELLOW AND NOT RED
>>507678198lmao poorfagjust play on ultra the eyes work fine there
>>507674104>>507674242Why was Martale been memoryholed by the community? Its been sitting at .5% decay rate for ages and has a popular biome but nobody goes there
>>507678198>>507678249I AM playing on ULTRAIT'S EVEN RED IN THE SELECTION SCREEN
>>507678198Skill issue
>>507678198>>507678435enable Bloom in the graphic settings, retard
>>507651341Please let me forget that Clitorix was ever a thing anon.
red belongs to botssorry chuds
>>507678198Turn the bloom on.
Best difficulty for SC farming?
if you use the anti tank emplacement youre a tranny
>>507679289D1.
>>507679289d1. Don't listen to d3 chuds.
>>507679289d1 solo, d3 2+
>>507678646>>507679130Okay yes that gives it a red glowBut the actual EYE part is still YELLOW underneath unlike in the preview picture in the armory screen which is ENTIRELY REDThis has ruined my christmas
>>507679351wtf i love trannies now
Bad news they're all retards. People still trying to 1v1 titans instead of throwing a holiday railcannon on them. Work smarter not harder losers.
commando sucks
>if you use the anti tank emplacement youre a trACK
>>507679995wheelbros...
>>5076763873/4 agane
>>507668272>>New operation modifiers that limit orbitalsthis used to be a thing, it was called orbital scattershitters didn't like it so it was removed
>>507680862back then the only orbital you'd see consistently was prec strike and it would fuck it over really bad
The game is never going to be challenging ever againPeople have become very comfortable with everything being a stomp and will never accept friction ever again
>>507639124Have that be the heavy tank version and the old HD1 version be the light one.
>>507681037The game was never difficult to begin with. There always was a 90% completion rate right from the start, the 10% being mostly made of people leaving because of crashes or sc farming.
>>507681313and yet it was still too badgod forbid the game ever pushed back a little
Spooky
>>507681313>The game was never hard!Ok, so why make it even easier if that's the case then? I never get a valid response to this question. Also you probably never used anything outside of meta
>>507681564Because it was a chore to play. No one wants to play a game that feels like doing the dishes.
>>507681673so why didn't you lower the difficulty to where those things that made it a chore to play didn't spawn in?
It was users who were wrong during launchEVERYONE PICKED FIGHTS WITH RANDOM PATROLSEVERYONE JUST CAUSED AVOIDABLE BUG BREACHESYou are supposed to be punished for making mistakes!
>>507681673Wow, i guess all that fun i had prior to the buff patch wasn't real? Very interesting, Mr. retard.
>>507681564Difficulty =/= fun, the game wasn't hard, but it sure as hell wasn't fun either.
>>507681762Lowering the difficulty didn't make the game better because difficulty wasn't the problem. The problem was the dog shit "balance" that nerfed shit and pigeonholed you into meta load outs. Doing bots with 4 other players using the AC got old fast.
Hello guys, newfag here. How do i get the Killzone cosmetics?
>>507682009>but it sure as hell wasn't fun either.I was having a lot of fun though.>>507681940No, no ,no! We can't have the players being punished! Think about how that might affect their epic power fantasy!
>>507682181By invading planet Vekta.
>>507682181phase 1paypig, they're in the storephase 2wait until they run the free shit script again or wait until they add it to the paypig store
>>507682009oh yes it's soooooooooo much more fun to just whip out my recoiless, click once anywhere on an enemy, and have it fall over fucking dead with zero fucking thought and barely any aim required. what amazing, involved, gameplay that rewards skill expression>>507682043>The problem was the dog shit "balance" that nerfed shit and pigeonholed you into meta load outs. Doing bots with 4 other players using the AC got old fast.if you genuinely think you had to take the "meta loadouts" all the time because nothing else was good enough then you are a genuine shitter and your opinion on what is fun or not can be fucking ignored completely.
>>507679741Commando's only good if you're the designated Harvester handler for squids
>>507682318Newfag detected. If you had played the game you would know what I was talking about.
>>507682183Well there are people in the world that enjoys shitting themselves in diapers and they find that fun, doesn't mean that this what everyone enjoys too.>>507682318Yes it actually is, if you can't make a difficult game (name one difficult pve shooter game that doesn't rely on just making everything bullshit), make it dumb and fun instead.
>>507682043So the game wasn't hard on high difficulties but you had to use all the best in slots or else.... what? It would take too long to kill the amount of enemies that were present? That there would be enemies that had too much health to kill quickly? You know what the solution to those problems are? Playing on a lower difficultyWhere there are fewer enemies so you don't need to take the most efficient weapon to deal with them all withotu getting bored.And where the high health enemies either don't spawn or spawn in far fewer numbers so it's not so much of a CHORE to kill them.
>>507682269Ty. Figured some stuff would be paid only. >wait until they run the free shit script againHow often does this usually happen?
So are the numbers on the companion app actually accurate or does nothing actually matter since Joel decides everything?
>>507682959>How often does this usually happen?i don't think has happened before, but they did say they'll run the free sniper armor again after xmas or something like that simply because tourists cried about not getting free gibsmedats after coming back to the game after a long time
>>507682737>>507682735These players claimed the game wasn't hard but never once used any weapon or stratagem outside the meta.
What's the loadout that says "I hate trannies" the loudest?
>>507682748The game isn't hard if you know what you are doing. Taking the correct stratagems is part of that. I am not going to gimp myself because 90% of the equipment in the game was useless and getting nerfed because alexus was incompetent.Do a full clear D10 bots solo run using the worst equipment if you want a "challenge" (it's not a challenge it's just tedious).
>>507683289whatever /hdg/ is crying the loudest aboutso probably orbital napalm barrage, recoilless rifle, anti-tank enplacement and cluster eagle
>>507683189Before the release of d10 when all patrols were broken, I was able to complete d9 solo without shooting a singoe bullet just by ignoring every enemy and throwing airstrikes on bases. That must mean I'm the best player in the game if I can do that without using a single gun and only one stratagem.
>>507683418ENTER
tried a few games over the holidays, havent played since summer.wtf did they do to my autocanon, hulks give zero fucks about headshotswhat a pain being forced to relearn the entire balance
They need to add damage done and heavy enemies killed to the end screen. That would silance orbital napalm and sentry gun kill farmers
>Squid mission host by your truly>Everyone at extraction>At the last second all my teammate are gone >Napalm barrage drop in as the pelican land>mfw none of my teammate ever use the barrageIt too bad I don't record my game because I am 100% sure that was joel.
>>507683559still kills hulks in two shots to the eyeslit as it always hasAC is the perfect weapon, if you can't perform with it you are a verified smoothbrainlrn2aim, use fpv, git gud, etc
>>507683340>The game isn't hard if you know what you are doing. Taking the correct stratagems is part of that. I am not going to gimp myself because 90% of the equipment in the game was useless and getting nerfed because alexus was incompetent.Moot point since trannies consider any option that isn't top tier meta to be "useless". >Do a full clear D10 bots solo run using the worst equipment if you want a "challenge" (it's not a challenge it's just tedious).This is also a fallacy since the devs intended this game to be played as a four man team. People want the difficulty but they also want to be able to play the game as intended. Also instead of having gimp myself to make the game harder why can't trannies just lower the difficulty to make the game easier?
>>507683559>wtf did they do to my autocanon, hulks give zero fucks about headshotsneither the head nor the autocannon has changed since you left. the body only has 4 armour now so gives hit marks and feedback when you miss the head and hit the body. in other words aim better.
>>507683538>Before the release of d10 when all patrols were broken, I was able to complete d9 solo without shooting a singoe bullet just by ignoring every enemy and throwing airstrikes on bases. That must mean I'm the best player in the game if I can do that without using a single gun and only one stratagem.That's an issue then. It means the game was still too easy back then and not enough was done to impede the player.
>>507681037I'll throw that statement into the same category of predictions as all-time hits such as "squids never ever" and "vehicles never ever"we know for a fact d11 is in the works
>>507683340>90% of the equipment in the game was useless and getting nerfedOkay hyperbolic shitter retard.
>>507683964yesterday i was hitting the head of hulks like 5-8 times in a row, as witnessed by the head catching fire and the fucker didnt dropexplain how thats possible if nothing did change
>>507676387>They didn't fix the killcount crashFuck me I guess
>>507683990That's why I'm saying that the game was never hard to begin with. Even when the balance was completely fucked and the spawns and patrols were way overtuned, the game was still a cakewalk because you can't make a difficult shooter game without making it tedious and unfun. And that's the only thing that matters, make the game FUN.
>>507684073>D11 comes out>all the normgroids, ps5 players, solo players, redditors, and /hdg/ players instantly migrate to D11 without hesitation. >"Wtf this shit is unfair and toxic!">mass review bombing, screeching, whining, and foot stomping ensues.>AH capitulates and makes it easier to make the masses happy.
>>507684286I don't know what to tell you bro. you were either missing the head by an inch or you were getting some pretty bad network host desyncs.
>>507684126t. returnfag that didn't play the during the dark period.
>>507684407>D11 comes out.>The only change is that the orbital bombardment from the DSS is permanently active.>It kills you randomly every minute.>You will say that it's le fun because it's le hard
>>507684286you missed
>>507683835Looks like you have to find a harder game then or whinge to shams on the trooncord.
>>507684872keep posting, buddy. All you're doing is outing yourself as a shitter.>>507684943>(you) come out of the closet>the only change is that you're wearing a dress and some makeup>your still obviously a man>Your parents will say that you're a le girl but they are le sad.
>>507684872you think you know me but you don't
>>507684286>i hit the eye and nothing else only the eye and it doesnt die it means the game was changed there is no possible way that i am just simply bad, it is impossible, it just cannot be, im not bad i swear to god everything is set up against me trying to frame me, im not bad at the game something is wrong and i know it, the illuminati altered my game files and reduced the damage on the weapon
>>507684872Try again plebbitor
>>507685456>>507686223You know, being ignorant of something because you weren't there is a lot better than being ignorant of something despite being there.
>>507685605its not like the hulk headshot doesnt have its very own visual feedback
>>507685605also>ooooo you suuuuuuck at the game>stun crutch
>>507686716everything is a crutch at this point
>>507685067>that reticleCrutch
>>507688058don't care, the vanilla one is insufferable dogshit.
People actualy ADS in this game? I only do that with AMR and maybe DCS
>>507688134You didn't beat the game
>next crossover will probably be with TCGrimdark Chads... our time is near.
>>507688291I aDS when I wanna get a headshot because you can use gyro on the playstation controller and have it only kick in when you're specifically ADSing which I'm upset more games don't do.
>>507688291in my opinion it's almost impossible to utilize the autocannon to its full potential without aiming down sights regularly. I don't use it any other way.
>>507689227Hope not, that would be retarded.
>diff11 will fix it>diff12 will fix it>trust me>diff13 will solve it finally
>>507689227cringe. it simply has to be Half-Life. HECU, civil protection, crowbar, gluon gun, plasma rifle, the works.
>>507685283>seething and fuminglol
I'm kinda getting semi-hyped for the future of the game after learning about the Rebel Faction leaks.I could totally see a fourth faction just to spice things up.What I really want though is indoor, interior maps with ship to ship conflicts like in Star Wars Battlefront. If it was possible on systems like the Gamecube and PS2/3 I would assume it wouldn't be to hard now yeah?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOJk7Ce33TM
>>507690040>leaks???
>>507689227I really hope they do a game for this new tabletop akin to Darktide or HD2Finally a tabletop that isn't bogged down by woke concepts. Just a bunch of Chad White, Pure Europeans slaughtering the forces of hell that are coming out of the Middle East and Africa with giant fucking nigger demons we can kill
>>507690040I want semi-linear missions. Imagine the tutorial mission, but for four players, bigger, with branching paths, and modified versions of heavies for boss encounters.
>>507690135There's a string of small leaks for, forever now of weapons, weapon skins, pelicans and other misc items that have "Human Rebels" on their tags. Most are destroyed objects you can find on planets (not in game I don't think at this time)That one Twitter Account leaked a set of unwrapped armor skins with Super Earth/Helldiver asthetics but the little white skull is scratched out and hastly painted on markings overtop of black and yellow armor
>>507690491PvP mode POGGERS
>retards walk in front of turret in his mech>complains about the mech getting destroyed?
>>507690491It would be too based to let the HMG emplacement rip at a bunch of dirty rebels and hear your diver say one of the funny democracy lines.
>>507690491show me
Are the 110mm capable of killing things yet?
>>507690805Imagine going on 4chan and lying about things. Couldn't be me.
WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE ILLUMINATE
>>507691857:)
>>507691857
>>507691857They're not programmed yet
>>507691857Relax maxxing during their Christmas break beyond the african hole that is Meridia
>>507691857just wait about 3-4 major orders
D10 BOTSsteam://joinlobby/553850/109775244379135839/76561198156466514
>>507693323I will not join your game (it's full).
>>507684407checking the rating, the only time the game got the equivalent of a full team of 380 barrage was when they forced the sony account shit
>>507693529Its 1/4, you sure its not on your end?
>>507678720You don't get to forget.
>>507693323Failed to join
>>507691857why do you think the objective is to hold Super Earth?We're gonna get surprise tentacle graped right before the order ends
>>507693323steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244379715192/76561198156466514New link incase the problem was with me. >>507693529
>>507690884I assume the sound of crickets means no
>>507693323>>5076938683/4
>>507693323>>507693868FULL
>>507693674I suddenly want to kill Hidalgo somehowNo wait i already wanted that
>>507695689#SaccageSuperTerre
damn the wasp is insanely good for bugs, they'll probably nerf it
>>507696114what isn't insanely good on bugs, they're braindead easy mode
>>507696227>everything is viable>this is a bad thingthey don't call it stockholm syndrome for no reason
>Don't activate the SAM site!!! >Don't kill the observer before it can call ships!!!>It's more fun if I got more enemies to shoot!!!Name a faggier fucking take.
>>507691857I was really hoping they would have done a full on invasion to Earth, we even have a model of the Super Earth White House/Prime Minister Building.Also anyone know what the next Warbound is about or anything screens?
>>507696227>You can complete the game blindfolded with your hands tied on the highest difficulty and it's a good thing
We want something like 40k Orks. Big mean dumb brutes with huge veiny meaty swinging green cocks. Right bros?
>>507694330>>507693323>>5076938683/4 ONE SLOT OPEN.
>>507698197Orks are asexual, faggot
>>507696114>they'll probably nerf itFUCKING LOL!!
>>507698895FULL
>>507697592what's wrong with any of thoseyou're playing a horde shooter, why not shoot the horde?
>>507699774Any time someone says some shit like, "play this way to make the game harder because I'm such a badass pro I need the extra challenge or the game is boring" it's just really fucking gay.
>>507693909You assume correctly
>>507700486settle down, ESL-kunSAM shooting down dropships still causes the game to crash every now and then, and if it shoots down saucers you end up with half the map blocked with them, effectively reducing whatever patrols there are ability to find you to nigh zeroas for the observers, the squids are even easier than bugs as it stands now, it does nobody any harmthe game barely spawns enough enemies to keep you contested as is
>>507701354>calls someone ESL-kun>types like an ESL
>>507699070Bullshit. You're just projecting your queerness onto them, you little bitch.
>>507696114WASP is now my go-to bot weapon. Artillery mode sort of sucks, but muh little "pew pew" missile mode is the shit.
>>507698197>40k orksthey don't have cocks anon or tits. >fantasy orksbig veiny cuntcrushers.
>>507701605They're literally overgrown mushrooms that reproduce through spores.
>>507701668I love it because it fires missiles like a mobile suit would in a Gundam series or a Macross seriesGood times
what's the endgame of those people that will cross country marathon across the map to destroyed automaton towers or mortars just to take out any fabricator that was left?
>>507702916FAB JANNIES
>>507702916Me no like red spot on map
>>507702916Finishing your half-assed job of spreading Democracy.
>>507702916Fun
>>507702916Brave Helldiver runs across the country to stop enemies from spawning during extraction to make them a snoozefest
>>507702916this happen to me a few hours ago.I don't know what the fuck they're trying to accomplish. Let's just go so we can start a new mission and get more action faster.
so, looking at the bot front, it would appear that the best course of action would be to take menkent, as that would cut off a bunch of worlds and encircle their assault force towards SEon the other hand, martale is already encircled so it should be easier to conquerwhat do you guys think?
>>507703893nobody else takes the galactic war seriously, man...
>>507701354retard
>>507703893YUP *cracks open Monster* time for the Voj'
>don't do the SAM site that's bad because less enemies to shoot>also don't destroy the spawners because less enemies to shoot>also don't extract because its near the edge because that stops enemies from spawning so there's nothing to shoot>also don't get in the pelican when it lands because there's more enemies to shoot and I want to spend 5 more minutes here maybe you people would be happier if you just loaded up GMOD on flatgrass and spent an hour or two shooting npcsit's an objective based game, not a slaughter wad
>>507703893I think we should go to vog sojoth, because it's a comfy ice planet with snow storms and nukes.
How do i fix not having any lobbies show up on the holotable?
>>507703893It doesn't matterPlanets will be lost/taken depending on what Joel and the majority of the playerbase wants to do and right now that's fighting the shiny new faction
Whats the point of having a medal cap?
>>507693868sorry about the car anon
what other enemies are we getting from squids? enemy hover bikes? ufo gunships?
>>507704524Player retention.
>>507693323GGS>>507704550Its fine, dont sweat about it.
>>507704524So you can login and get 0 medals
>>507704524I've heard people say "player retention", but i don't think medal caps is what keeps people playing this vidya
>>507704285>It's an objective based game, not a slaughter wadMaybe the White Man is just getting ready for what he subconsciously knows he's going to have to do?
>>507703893A good post strategy-wise. However you forget the basic fact that most of us dont play the game as something we rely our lives on. We want to dive somewhere it seems good on 5-second appraisal. Hence, Vog-Sojoth
>>507703893Vog is the priority because the space station is parked there
>>507703893I would love to try and take Martale as a test to see if we could take Menkent but sadly everyone here is a defeatist faggot like >>507703969>>507704497
>>507704936You are right.The issue however isn't people who genuinely like the game - they will keep playing anyway, the issue is content locusts who lose interest every month and come back every time they see something interesting in a trailer to max it out. They'd get all the free medals from Major Orders + whatever they grinded the first time around. It stops them from speedrunning all the new strategems and guns in one match.
dont caregoing to shoot bugs
>>507703893I would focus on getting a load-out for Squids you're comfortable with before they drop the new units
>>507705310Does it even do anything?
Game too easy.
>the ceo of arrowhead is a confirmed naplam barrage nigger
>>507705879to be fair to a player that's probably level 40 at the highest, napalm is one of the strongest options that require zero skill to throw/utilize
>>507704174>>507704375>>507705191>>507705310Let's take Vog so these homos lose their favorite planet to do missions on. What difficulty missions has the best time/impact ratio for liberating planets?
>>507705851no, they shut it off because it sucked so it needs to be reworked
>>507705879Say what you will about the stratagem, but it's a spectacle to see.
>>507705434But people should be allowed to speedrun all the new strategems and guns in one match if they wanted to. It's not a problem.
>>507706228I wish there was a car practice track
>>507706303All you need to learn is to switch your gears actively
Rocket striders are such a joke now.
>>507704524Primarily so people can't just instantly fully unlock a warbond the minute it comes out, they have to actually play the game for a few days.
Please give us a hardcore mode.
>>507706213It is. Need more players for longer. Number stay up longer. Sony investors happy longer.Also higher chance someone spends money because they spend more time in-game seeing things they could spend money on.
>>507705879Napalm is more impressive than 380I wish we got a gas equivalent
>>507706410The first gear is all you need.
>>507707069A gas launcher variant of a WASP would be cool. Or just change artillery mode to gas.>Gas them with first salvo>Mop them up with the second on pew pew mode
When we gonna get a real difficulty mode?
>>507706578EoF launch rocket striders:>completely untelegraphed attacks which contradict bot design philosophy>used the massive, retarded barrager rockets which had insane kinetic values that would instantly kill you with impact value>crotch armor defaulted to AP4 when you were more than 10m away despite being AP3, because the game simplified their armor modeling>spawned in massivce swarms where you could get patrols of 10+ at once (which would all fire at the same time)>fastest ground-based automaton enemy >main cannons still 2hk divers on headshot>briefly made the RG meta for the sole reason that it could instakill chickenschicken nerf 1:>adjustment of damage model so the crotch is AP3 at any distance (this was the only nerf needed in order to make them fairchicken nerf 2:>striders now stand still for seconds while flaring off their chosen rocket just for (you) >only way to die to one is if you lack any observational abilities>impact damage nerfs and ragdoll adjustments make their rockets only a threat on direct impact or if you're on low hp>striders are now roughly twice as common as hulks, while being easier to destroy than heavy devs>chickens now represent zero real threat to the bot front, exclusively just a loadout check between AP3 for crotch shots or AP2 for rocket shotschickens went from the scariest bot enemy to an endangered and weakened species over the course of just three months
>>507707559The players crave for the Rumbler...
>14k on Vog-Sojoth>Not even a crack in Automaton defensesThey really should've removed the symbol
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244390250977/2/4 d10 lobby decides
>>5077079283/4
>>507707662Yes! That's what I'm saying! Rocket striders used to elicit real, gut wrenching fear. Now they've been neutered into nothingness.
>>507707928bitch i said 3/4 get in here
>>507707928>failed to join
>>507706126What did it do previously?
>>507708995Centered 380 barrages on a random player every 90 seconds or so on offense. On defense, sent eagles all over the place strafing.
I wish there was a "get in the vehicle" or a "hey, I need a ride" voice callout.
>>507709581It's called the horn.
>>507709581"get in the vehicle" is a honklooking at a vehicle and pressing Q is a "i need a ride"
>>507701668>Artillery mode sort of sucksexclusiively use it for bunched up enemies. It's pretty useful for that. The WASP is incredibly useful to deal with D9/D10 Heavy spam
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244392820837/76561198003009305D10 bugs or bots
>>507709581Here's your ride annoying fag *Calls sentry on top of you*
game2ez
>>507709869Bunched up enemies will die to the normal rockets just as well since they have a blast radius.Artillery mode should not use extra ammo, instead it should only target small enemies and have shit damage against medium targets. I don't have the esoteric knowledge to figure out how that would work mathematically.
>>5077100463/4
>>507707627>When we gonna get a real difficulty mode?Just never throw a reinforcement, there you go.
>>507710652When are we gonna get a real difficulty mode where i can also play the game as intended?
>>507711127stop playing d4
>used to laugh at /v/ for getting angry at casuals for "ruining games" back in 2011>fast forward into 2024 and my favorite game has actually been ruined by casualsJesus, they were right all along.
>>507711368Stop begging for buffs, Mr. Redditor.
>>507711384Honestly hate the retards in this thread pretending the game was better before. It plays basically the same but now you don't have to pick the same handful of things to make a dent half the roster. Game is way more fun now but was never hard in the first place.
>>507711583The game isn't fun when you can blindly bumble your way through D10 with no effort.
lobby doko
>>507711725You could always blindly bumble through d9 back in the day and people saying otherwise are full of shit. You just couldn't do it in a way that was fun.
>>507711725Post teamkills
>>507711583What does that have to do with enemies being lobotomized to let quadriplegic redditors react in time
>>507708560open slot now try and join>>5077079283/4steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244390250977/
>>507712028>You just couldn't do it in a way that was fun.KEK, retard.
Haven't played in quite a while, did they ever unfuck the slugger or is it still nerfed to shit?
Is the warzone stuff going to rotate back in eventually?
>>507712373No.
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244396352325/76561198070044660d10 whatever
>>507712329Dude, everything dies when you look at it.
>>5077124542/4
>>507712424Are you telling the truth?
>>507711583It's more balanced, sure, but I feel like they need to bump the spawn rates up a bit on harder difficulty levels.
I only play 7
I think
>>507711725You could blindly bumble through D9 bots WITH the fucked up LoS allowing all bots to see you 24/7 and a broken bots drop timer that resulted in a drop every 30 seconds for the entire mission. I literally did it with the fucked erupter, deflated railgun, and neutered patriot for fun to give myself a challenge.Anyone who says otherwise is a summer child who "cut their teeth" on Alexus's shit.
>>507712662Yes. Because there has never been a Call of Duty Warzone collaboration with this game.
Can we just make the bugs faster than the player character? Hunters should not be able to be outpaced with normal running they're fucking HUNTERS. Every bug should be, at minimum, the same speed as you with most of them being faster.>scavs and leapersMatch running speed. Fodder. Who cares.>HunterMatch sprinting speed, maybe a little faster. They should be able to pressure you at all times with the jumping and catching up if you aren't paying attention since they fold like a wet noodle.>WarriorFaster than your sprint but not by much. This should be the meat of the pack, fuck you dead if they get to you. Constant pressure threat. Alphas should be faster flat out. If you're letting alpha brood commanders hang back and spam them consistently, then you have a skill issue and should lower the difficulty.>GuardsSprint match. Fair considering their current behavior of hunkering down. >Brood commandersI think they should BARELY outpace your sprint, keep their alpha variant the same as the normal in speed. Their threat should be bringing in more, not in them killing you themselves. Their charge is really good pressure though as is.>SpewersThey seem fine as is. Especially the biles. Maybe make nursery spewers constantly bring in leapers and scavs around them while they live, every few seconds spawn another pair.>Shriekers and StalkersFine as is. Add them into the base spawn pool as well though, the shriker patrols are cool but they should be regular on bug planets. Stalkers should come with breeches on higher diffs, just a couple.>ChargersThey're mostly fine as is, maybe they need to bowl over regular bugs if they're mid charge. I still hate their turning speed mid charge though. >TitansMake them stronger. I miss them being a threat. AT is so strong as is they barely exist unless you're retarded and bring absolutely nothing to kill them. Maybe we need an alpha variant for higher diffs like behemoths to chargers.
>>507713095I can't really tell the difference between shooterslop.
>>507713084If you did all that solo then it would just mean the game wasn't hard enough to begin with and that it needs a true hard mode now more than ever.
>>507713562kys
>>5077124543/4
Guys, shrek is in the swamp
>>507713562Nah dude, can't have any of the bugs actually be threatening.
>>507713776https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_6U9C1zu0
We need a D11 mode where if you kill something, two more of them get immediately spawned in right behind you.
>>507713635No, it means it was never hard, and never will be hard. If you thought it was hard you were just a shitter.It's still just as easy as always, just more fun now.
>>507713807They're by far my favorite faction but they're way too easy. The swarming faction should be that, SWARMING. If they won't double or even triple spawn rates because of muh hardware limitations then just make them fucking faster.
>>507714097The game already runs like trash, you want them to triple bug spawns and fight them at 30 fps?
I want to use something other than the autocannon on bots but pubshitters don't bring it anymore and if there isn't at least one ac on your team bots is miserable I hate this retarded playerbase
>>507714254Railgun can do anything the AC can
>>507714240I've never noticed any FPS issues outside of intentionally letting them spawn so many (more than triple spawn rate would be) and killing them all at once. And I play on a 10 year old computer.
>>507714254sorry, luv me RR
>>507709869It kills multiple heavies? If not, I would rather just double tap them with pew pew. You can get 3-6 devastators in a full salvo of you space them right.
>>507714740RR is great for bots, it's a hulk and fab killer, but it's really inefficient against gunships. Gunships aren't the total rape machines they were six months ago but if you get a seed that has constant squadrons swooping in on you you NEED an ac user on antiair duty
>>507714331>charge gun>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, dink!>shoot gun, have to stop to reload immediately because it gets one fucking shot>eeeeeeeeeeeee....I can't believe anyone recommends this slow piece of trash. Diligence fucking deletes mediums and light enemies at 10x the speed, and if I'm bringing a support for heavies why the fuck wouldn't you use the AMR, AC, HVG, all of which shoot faster and chaff clear 10x better. Fuck I'd even take the wasp over that shit, worst support in the game.
why do people play diff10 when they're clearly not equipped to handle it? The game is as easy as it's ever been but I still have retards dropping in on diff10 bots without a support weapon, taking gatling sentry, no eagles, and then dying every 30 seconds and then smashing the reinforcement request
>>507714517Cities/urban biomes run like shit
>>507714517You might be blind then.
>>507714517Come on man, the game looks like Halo 3 most of the time, nothing about it should be as demanding as it is. But that's just modern games, they all run like shit, I guess optimization doesn't increase sales enough to be warranted.
About to do my first level 7 mission. Any advice.I'm going in solo but I hope people respond to my SOS
>>507712454game crashed, very cool
>>507715769Post lobby
>>507715565I played a D10 with a level 2 christmas baby yesterday. The dude had only the two base strats, but what I really want to know is how the fuck he was able to play fucking d10, there wasn't anybody with him
Brothers. I had a vision, a dream. We will get weapon customization, with mag size, ammo types, and even one time special items you can get with medals. Such as special grenades, passives, etc. We will also get a class system
>>507711583The problem is that since we have proper weapons now, all the vets that had to develop strategies to efficiently kill the most bothersome enemies can now do so even more effortlessly. Take the Charger for instance. The Charger at its peak bullshit levels was still trivial: let it pass you and shoot 5 shots into it's ass with the AC or roughly 7 shots with the Scorcher. Bile Titan? Shoot both sacks out with 3 shots from the Scorcher and toss a Railcannon or 500kg and it's a guaranteed 2 second kill, or 5 seconds with the 500kg that can kill multiple. Or you could also have used the Quasar. On the bot front the only problems were Cannons, Heavy Devs and Rocket devs but those died to the Scorcher or even the Punisher easily. Rocket Striders and Factory Striders didn't exist yet. These same players are now complaining because the game they optimized the fun out of is now about having that FUN instead of running around 15 heavies like a rodeo clown to Benny Hill music.
>>507715769>>507715832If you post the lobby here you're gonna get carried by /hdg/.Do it with Randos or alone so you can measure the difference properly
>>507715856>weapon customization gets added>everybody follows a guide to make every gun as accurate as possible with the highest dpswow!
>>507714240>>507714517it looks like a ps3 game yet runs like trash
>>507709460>Centered 380 barrages on a random player every 90 seconds Son, you are the target coordinates.
>>507713562>>Brood commanders>I think they should BARELY outpace your sprint, keep their alpha variant the same as the normal in speed. Their threat should be bringing in more, not in them killing you themselves. Their charge is really good pressure though as is.Aren't Alpha Warriors/Brood Commanders like that?
>>507715769you know what to do, king
>>507715961Fakecel. The charger strat was to shoot the back of it's front leg with the AC.
>>507716382Yeah. Alpha commanders sometimes do this "charge" like Chargers. Also, they're fast as fuck, even diving wont always work
>>507716382They are. The brood commanders are fine, but the alpha warriors should be noticeably faster than you imo. I mostly just wanted to list all the bugs for clarity's sake.
You guys ever had an hdgger ragequit on you?
>>507717740Once. Of course it could have been a crash so I didn't shame him/xer in the general afterwards.
>>507717740at least twice, one sperged and rushed outhe doesn't play anymorethe other one got hit with the very first shot of a barrage and just left so that's a bit more understandable
>>507717740Just this past hour in fact.
>>507718269share your story
>>507715839Was he P1 when you joined him and was he in the middle of a shitstorm?If the original host kicked him out mid-mission he'll still be in the mission, albeit completely aloneHad that happen when a retarded host kicked me because i dodn't reinforce him while an ion storm was happening
>>507717740Hdggers are all ragebabies.
>>507718401Blitz mission, squids. A patrol called a drop, I see a pack of voteless behind us while we're on the way to extraction with an elevated overseer flying above it so I hit it with WASP artillery not realizing the host had run under the overseer presumably to go farm yellow number, killed him on accident and reinforced him and apologized. My mistake big time all things told.During extraction he teamkilled me with a shot to the back of the head and extracted alone and left the samples on purpose.Was a very annoying game overall because I brought a WASP specifically to kill overseers and a flamer specifically to kill chaff because I saw we had a guy with AMR, another with recoilless, etc and thought, "Harvesters will be handled" but during extraction we were being mobbed by a half dozen Harvesters who managed to march all the way to the dropship. One of the guys crashed or disconnected I think at this point, but he extracted then closed the lobby.
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244390250977/3/4squid now kid now squid now kid now squid now kid now
My ideas for the needed new difficulty levels:>D11: Ultra-Helldive>D12: Giga-Helldive>D13: Chimpcago-Helldive
D-1: Swededive.
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244403873929/D10 SQUIDS JOIN JOIN JOIN
there should be an elite berserker that's the size of a hulk, but it gets progressively faster the longer it chases someone with its chainsaws raised and it can get fast enough to catch up to cars
>>5077200233/4
>>507720201Hulk jetpack leak.
>>507719495>>507719637D3: Farming-Helldive
Careful discussing balance of this game. Behind every post may be a subhuman consoloid. He may be especially biasad against precision weapons as he cannot aim.
>D14: A Dive Reborn
>D15 Slopdive
>>507719204Name and shame, nobody wants to play with ragefagsI assume it was the anime lobby
>D20>John Helldive (nerfed for being too hard)
>>507716521KYS
>>507721213You're the one who told on yourself for either not knowing the strat or being a fake OG
>>507717740I've ragequit /hdg/ lobbies before. I just play quickplay now. /hdg/ has lost it's edge.
>>507720023Failed to join
>>507721295kek
>>507717740I've played maybe 400 hours with /hdg/ and I still can't remember 90% of usernames, you expect me to pay attention to who quits and why?
>>507721351>OGThis isn't Fortnite kys zoomer the game came out 10 months ago. I was soloing D9s while you were sucking on your mother's titties.
>>507717740this was at the height of the squid update tourism for /hdg/ lobbies, so the dude is probably long gone.
>>507720912Funny you should say that.
>>507722141Not killing Chargers optimally though
>autistic subhumans sneak around every patrol and run away from bot drops>this game is too easy >:(It's not the games fault you have optimized the fun out of the game. Use a sub optimal loadout and stick with your team and you will get to fight an unending horde of bots/bugs.
>>507722717Stealth is unironically harder than throwing red lines at enemies.
>>507722441top kek
>>507722441what a sore fucking faggot lmao
I just realised how many common samples I've stockpiled. So what ship modules are useful?
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244405191894/76561198031332870D10 Botdives
>>5077233342/4
>>507715961>ChargerRailgun to the leg armor, Breaker to the leg.>Bile TitanRailgun to the head or w/e Stratagem.>CannonsRailgun to the front, honorary mention of Senator to the weakspot.>Heavy DevRailgun to the front, Breaker to the head if close.>Rocket DevRailgun to the front, Breaker to the head if close.The only issue at release wasn't that the game was too easy, it was really fun being hyperefficient killing machine, it was just that 90% of the arsenal that wasn't Railgun/Breaker was at best style points pick. There was an optimal way to play and all other ways had significant weaknesses, but even playing optimally Level 9 Extract Civilians Bot Missions were nigh impossible.When that got nerfed it was just a downwards slope of using the next best thing, like Flamehtrower to Charger leg, etc. but that didn't change the core of having to use unfun shit because the next step down was noticeably worse. If you saw someone in your lobby using "off-meta" stuff you just had to carry some of their weight. Now I don't think anyone gives a shit about what other people use. Shitters still fold at low difficulty, HDGbabs still clear 10 without fail. Arguably it IS easier since people aren't having their shit pushed in so hard they have to figure out meta loadouts but that's fine, game still has plenty of oh shit moments but it's harder to just death spiral.
>>507722712NTA but killing chargers is someone else's job.
>>507722992>running from enemies is harder than fighting them>even though walking in front of a rock breaks their pathing>even though only 1 bot can outpace a playerHoly cope.
>>5077233343/4
>>507723225Which ones do you already have?
>>507723334Full 4/4
during launch people would rush to unlock the 500kg bomb and then miss with it each time they used itno wonder people had trouble with killing bile titans and hulks
>>507723486I'm that guy. I'm on bot front right now, killing some real enemies.
>>507723767Release 500kg was fucking RNG. I have a recording somewhere where I walk through pretty much a point-blank blast (without the funny diceroll armour) and live because ??? small piece of debris stopped it or something.
>>507723867>implying "run behind cover" is more real than "run away"
>>507702916as a newfag do you not risk missing optionals by leaving a bunch of the red spots like that? I guess for high levels the extra requisitions doesn't matter because they've unlocked all the strats anyway, but it feels bad arbitrarily missing a star when we had plenty of time to go get it
>>507723506>they made the game too easy!!!>NOOO YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE EASY GAME FOR IT TO BE HARD!!!Baffling logic.
>>507664291Super Earth doesn't have smokeless powder technology
Where does one obtain the arrows mod
>>507724447It literally doesn't matter in any meaningful way past like level 25.
>>507726261Enjoy ban.
also they keep adding more and more ship upgrades but they had to give up on making them meaningful because otherwise we would be super overpowered
>>507722441imagine ragequitting over malicious code
>>507713562>Can we just make the bugs faster than the player character?It's hilarious how any random wild animal on earth is a hundred times more of a threat than these mutant alien space bugs. Like a random off leash pitbull would demolish 9/10 of the bug roster.
I respect arrowhead for deciding to make the second wave of killzone stuff free, but I hate that the controversy has made them gunshy about making other changes, like supercredit stashes paying out more at higher difficulties.is there any better way to get SC than just farming low level missions?
>>507726261I dunno lol.Read previous threads.
>>507726979Cheats.
>>507726671i get the mechs which barely function as physics objects, but adding a speedy car to the overall physics clusterfuck was such a swedish idea.
>>507726979just be chinese
>>507726979They unironically need to stop doomscrolling reddit They give those freaks too much power
>>507726979Listen, adding a surefire way to earn super credits would unironically kill the game. This sounds jewish but trust me, it's true. It will only fill the game with ultrasweaty tryhards who will instakick you if you don't comply to their sc-earning meta fast enough
>tfw you lazily smear your yellow finger of death across the map like a paintbrush across a canvas, feeling and groping through clusters of chaff bots, hulks, and devastators for the visceral feedback of each individual matchstick pop of their robot skulls exploding under the weight of your artistic vision.Only laser mains know this feeling.
>>507723767Did you even use pre-buff 500kg?
>>507727243It's more of an echochamber issue>listen to reddit>ask for phone number to talk on discord>have a very limited number of feedback forms that usually fill in about 15 minutes.I just think their practices limit the discussion potential. Having ease of feedback is a very good way to get actual, valid and diverse opinions and statistics on important matters.
>>507727495no because I am a RR chad and always have believed in RR supremacy
>>507718528He joined my lobby, no idea how. I saw a lot (2) of hackers yesterday so maybe it was that.
If there was an Xcom crossover, would the armor passive be a critical hit chance?
>>507713562Bugs are literally designed as a faction for ten year olds to be able to fight. I gave my 10 year old cousin a game against bugs on Easy/D2 and he handled it without a fucking problem. D2 mostly puts you up against scavs, hunters, and warriors with the rare occasional hive guard. Then I put him up against D2 ayys and the voteless swarm fucked him up as the random, every other 3 minute spawn of a single melee overseer was like putting him up against a brick wall. The only way to make bugs hard would be to give every single one of their units an alpha version that is specifically designed for players in the highest of difficulties.
>>507727495They buffed it?t: been using 500kg since start and have been using it only to blow up fabricators and hives for months now
>>507727742So, to add, this is quite likely why they've got those new hunters cooked up to be released when the next Gloom story beat comes along, because normal hunters are literally so braindead easy that a child could get the better against them.
>>507727819Yeah, they increased the blast radius to 35 meters iirc
>>507713562It's amusing (in a sad pathetic way) how AH is so afraid of making bugs threatening because of controversies.Bugs are so utterly unable to kill you it's absurd, especially with how much of a homage this game is to Starship Troopers.
>>507724447No. What that anon is referring to is the red hot spots on secondary objectives that remains even if you complete them. This only happens if a fabricator was left intact but since it's not required to destroy them to finish the objective sometimes players just don't do it. It takes a special breed of autism to do what the original poster was saying.
>>507728171It's extremely sad that the most dangerous/annoying attacks the angry melee bugs with claws as big as your character have are artillery/acidthrower spits.
>>507713562maybe the Alpha and Brood commanders could just buff bugs around them to be faster than players while alive but back to current values when dead rather than summoning shitty warriors. It would make the whole commander thing mean alot more
Guys I've been thinking, I've done a lot of missions all over the galaxy and something hit me, a lot of the missions are similiar, which hey it's a war and there's only so many ways you can blow up someone, but I started thinking.. and don't take this the wrong way.. but does anyone else feel like our missions don't actually do anything? like this is all part of some fake scheme to keep up some kind of pretend war going? which is silly I know but I am starting to get the feeling the top brass isn't telling us everything, it's almost like they're just organizing the whole thing... it's not just me right? it's probably it's the war getting to me.
Guys, the Brap cloud is right next to Meridia. The plot maybie, just maybie, might progress
>>507728550they are already higher prio kills than titans or chargers, why buff them?
>>507728734>Guys I've been thinkingI'm telling the truth enforcers
>>507728734The real war starts when the railroaded plot finishes. We're basically doing prologue right now.Game will start after defense of Sol system and retaking of Mars and we will have to reconquer the entire galaxy.
>>507728812reinforce proper gameplay routine while punishing people who didnt before and making bugs stronger doing it
>>507728738It literally has not moved at all
>>507729257hmm, nah.
>>507728171I think one of the issues is that they have a hard time understanding what makes an enemy threatening.When the game releases they were surprised that people were clearing D9. The game was hard and with mechanics made to fuck you, so they circumvented it (the leg meta)They acted like nothing was wrong with dev spam and being one shot by rockets coming in volleys of 6 directly towards your position from 150 meters away.Now they nerfed the accuracy of enemies, and "some" damage, but at their core they remain the same.Another example : squids are not a threat. Why ? Because they just don't hit you. When they do they absolutely nuke your health. Jetpackers have the potential to be one of the most obnoxious enemy in the game, but they simply nerfed the accuracy instead of making them consistantly hit but at a lower damage value.The damage output of the enemies doesnt feel changed, it just feel locked with ball and chain behind the accuracy values. Factory striders and cannon turrets don't have those issues (one with volume of fire, the second with almost perfect accuracy and ragdoll) and they're two of the most killy enemies in the game, IF they get to shoot you.I feel like this about a lot of enemies. They never hit you, but when they do it's usually a very fast, if not instant, death.It's a weird way to get around to making the enemy threatening, because it's not your abilities that are involved, it's the RNG of "is the enemy gonna hit me this time".Should enemies instakill you if they get one burst of damage in (Scout striders my hated enemy) ?It seems like we circled back to release day discussions about difficulty, and i don't know where to stand on it.
>>507640090it's not just a car, it's a car designed for MASTER DRIVERS
>>507727819For a long time the cope was "500 kilo is shaped to go upwards, it's not supposed to have a large area of effect" but realistically it was just finicky as fuck and unless the bomb landed directly beneath the target it had like a 50% chance of not doing anything. It was used to kill bile titans and stationary objectives and nothing else
>>507729073h-hey now I was just kidding! it's a joke! please don't tell them!>>507729152theres no way they could take the whole galaxy... could they?
Have not played with the wasp much. Can the artillery consistently blow out a tripod’s back or does it still take two mags?
>>507728812>why buff themNTA but every bug needs a buffEvery bug needs to be faster, stronger, more of a bullet sponge, and thrice as numerous as they are now If it were totally up to me I'd give hive guards (why does this enemy even exist) a projectile attack like some of the concept are for the old stalkers had>hive guard hunkers down and turns into the equivalent of a gun emplacement>lore: the bugs are evolving to fight against super earth since combat against them is just like a natural part of their ecosystem at this pointcool
Everyone from this thread either>ego trips padding yellow number>ignores samples because they're too cool to need them>is a haha goofy memer (teamkilling, mainly)Randoms are unironically more pleasant to play with.
>>507726261have you tried googling "helldivers arrow mod"
>>507729637I for one used it against bug reinforcements.My aim was never good enough for bile titan dunkin, that's what I kept RR and orbital rail gun for.
Whats up with buffdivers? Are they afraid of being seen as casuals?
>>507729971this change would cut the playerbase in half lol
>>507729542>I feel like this about a lot of enemies. They never hit you, but when they do it's usually a very fast, if not instant, death.O hulk bruiser my beloved
>>507728734>organizing the whole thing>Joel>organizedBut I understand what you're saying. I think given the pre-fab looking cities and how widespread the Super Earth empire is that it just makes sense to mass produce absolutely everything, including the floorplans of each and every radar station, pelican landing pad, or emergency evacuation airport. My other thought is the completely baseless and retarded "what if" headcannon I came up with one time where the galaxy as a whole has been absolutely, 100%, undeniably made safe by the voting algorithms. All the deaths in the war aren't to defend Super Earth, the war is a place for the voting algorithm to send the most violent and expansionist of humans to their deaths so they don't upset the balance.This was also a retard "what if" scenario I daydreamed up before the Illuminates returned. Not that it made much sense before they return of the Ayys.
>>507729883Artillery is absolute ass at fighting larger targets. The idea to using it is to target groups of lower tier enemies that are around a medium sized enemy, think the smaller Terminid Spewers or Stalkers. You'll kill around 5 to 8 enemies at once with it, it is odd though, that's what I had assumed it was for, shotgunning armored, large targets but the normal mode oddly does far more damage to targets
>>507730048Well I thought perhaps this thread would be a more trustworthy source instead of just a bunch of cheeky cunts but hey what should I expect right
>>507730221good
>>507730272You can see the cities being mass produced. The shape may have changed slightly but the layout is still the same. Exaxt same landmarks, buildings, roads, everything. Its sort of uncanny
>>507730517Alright, post your outfit and i'll give you the link if you're cool enough
>no lobbiesD10 whatever. steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244413631542/76561198120804312
I hate this game sometimes.
>>507730250That's fine in this case desu, if the flamer doesnt evaporate you. It's a giant slab of metal with a circular saw, it should not tickle.The issue i have with buffing bug speed is that there'd be no counterplay to it, it would simply be the current kiting meta taken to its extreme.>can't fight bugs in melee>they are now faster than you>solution : extreme ranges and never get close to them.That's just boring as shit. Do bugs need fixing ? Yes, all factions do. Bugs are just worse off because they don't shoot you back like bots or even squids.Squids are what happens if you took the bugs and gave them guns, and having two factions with the same mechanics isnt gonna contribute to the longevity of the game.There's an answer to the difficulty issue, but i don't think it's a simple game of "buff or nerf". It goes beyond that, with what the enemy can and cannot do. If you buff them they become oppressive, if you nerf them they become too easy.The issue is enemy mechanics (and enemy AI ?), not just numbers. Enemies spawn, they do their thing (shoot, try to melee, run around). They arent smart or crafty. it's very simple, and worked well with the first game due to the screenspace limitation. Now we have freedom so if the enemies don't destroy you when they get their damage window, you can just kite/avoid/prepare or even kill them before they get it.I'm typing this in the void and im annoyed by it. People seem to think it's a simple issue when it's not, end nobody acknowledges that changing the format of the game did more than change the player PoV
>>507729152>Game will start after defense of Sol system and retaking of Mars and we will have to reconquer the entire galaxy.That sounds kino AF. I hope they do that
I dislike how tanky harvesters are but holy fucking h’ll I hate the flyers cunts more. For a on lock on fire and forget the wasp is at illling squids.
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244413417699/76561198451244720SC farm
>>507731282Full ?
>>507731415>Fighting superfast bugs trying to rape you by using your overwhelming firepower would be "boring"
>>507663332>not only he installed the anti-cheat crypto miner?
>>507731738What's the protocol in these lobbies?
>>507731738Fuck it, why not. I need one last warbond.
>>507731395deserved for stealthshitting
>>507731673>I dislike how tanky harvesters arebro just shoot the leg joint
>Martale at 0% decay rate.Noice.
flamethrower vs robots?
>playing squids for a while>turns out HMG is fucking amazing how is it against bugs? does a bile titan require a lot of ammo?
>>507731925Get a jetpack and listen to the shekelsniffers
>>507720023GGs.
>>507684872>play the during the dark period.Cuckold behavior unironically
>>507732356Also bring impact grenades in case one finds a bunker.
>>507726886The bugs are cute. I don't care what anybody says.
>>507731395how do you go prone without the superman launch?
>>507732265It especially shreds bots after the big buff patch. It's good on bugs, but overkill for anything smaller than a commander. You can kill titans if you unload into their head, best if you have recoil control.
>>507731282It's not that theres no lobbies, it's that all the lobbies are FULL and people are in their HELLPODS.
>>507732085ap4 means it wont perform against tanks slow TTK on hulksvery short rangeif you want an S+ weapon for short range on bots, take arc thrower
>>507732886The arc thrower damages hulks and tanks?
>>507731415>That's just boring as shitDude what's the current meta against bugs again?Literally just walking away and occasionally shooting to clear some space.And what the fuck is this logic? Games like Left 4 Dead, etc are all about enemies that are much faster than the players swarming the absolute shit out of you. Theoretically "bug meta" would evolve into making heavy use of sentries, holding ground, and keeping heavy suppression up through stratagems to quickly clear objectives and peel out of there. Theoretically, mechs and cars would see much more use.YOU DO NOT FIGHT THE FUCKING BUGS AT ALL RIGHT NOWTHEY'RE HELPLESS UNLESS YOU YOURSELF ARE A RETARD WHO VASTLY OVERESTIMATES WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF, WHICH IS LITERALLY NOTHING
>>507732576Z
>>507733303oh, thanks.
>>507733017nyes it's ap7 so there's no currently existing enemy that it can't pen250 damage per shot2100 main for anh/shredder tank turret so it'd take 9 shots arced to the turret you're better off using therm or shooting them in their new AP3 weakspot hulks die much faster250hp head means it takes 2 shots (because falloff) to pop hulk's eye if you know how to aim it1800 main means you need 8 total shots to a hulk to kill itthe main advantage is that it arcs through 5-6 enemies at once, allowing you to deal a good amount of damage to a fuckton of enemies (meaning a fuckton of damage) while stunning all of them it's very nice for popping large amounts of devs/hulks/anything at close-medium range
Mass Effect Crossover when? It would be a great excuse to have the M-920 Cain as a support weapon so we can have shoulder fired mini nukes
>>507732085You need the jetpack as a gapcloser, which then puts yourself at risk of -2 stratagems when you get yourself raped to death for jumping into a swarm of bots with a flamethrower.
I haven't killed a bug since we nuked meridiawhat's a good primary against them? does everyone still use the breaker
>>507733170If /hdg/ was to play L4D, they would piss their pants and cry about the game being too easy and would make every zombie take 5 shots of auto shotgun to kill and quadruple the amount of special spawns....Yeah they would make Back 4 Blood basically, and that game was balanced like shit and died instantly.
>I haven't played the game please tell me how to play the game. I won't find out on my own btw
>>507733807expert realism is exactly what you're describing in terms of effective difficultythe highest difficulty of helldivers isn't even remotely close to the highest difficulty of l4d2t. 5k hours in l4d2 and a versusfag
>>507731793All balancing done with only changing enemy statlines is boring.because there's no counterplay to it. There's no adapting to it, there'll simply be the new tactic to not interact with the bugs, because if you interact with them you lose.>the enemy is faster than you>overwhelmingly meleeWhat are you gonna do ? You'll nuke it from as far as you can because if they get close you lose. It won't be a fight, it'll be an artillery game.To beat an enemy, you exploit the advantages you have over it, whether it's numerical or skill based. The only advantage you'd have over bugs is range (and brain although it's arguable for helldivers). The moment they get to you, you lose. You can't get away from them, so you'd need to kill them before that.Enemy design need to take something into account, whether the enemy is more or less powerful than you.If it's more powerful, it needs ways to not instakill you and let the player interact with it.If it's less powerful, it needs ways to balance the odds (usually by being more numerous)If it's your equal, then it becomes simply down to skill (as if, AI is never your equal).All balancing must be done in relation to the player character or archetype. Making the bugs faster than the player character would still make it one dimensionally, just in another way>>507733170I acknowledge the bugs have issues, but making them faster than you would just change the meta and not actually fix anything.Bugs need new mechanics, ways to get to threaten you.Sentries are also not often taken against bugs because chargers exist and they usually end them real quick.Bugs rn are a binary, either you are in your win condition and they can't do anything to you, or they're in theirs and you need to kite to get back in your win condition.>suppressionYou mean this pseudo mechanic against bots that doesnt actually work ? There's no suppression in game, you kill the enemy or they kill you>L4dValve is better at balancing.
>>507733535>2100 main for anh/shredder tank turret so it'd take 9 shots arced to the turretwhich it will never do unless you have a significant high ground advantageit also only does 100 durable damage and the turret is 100% durable so you need 21 shots to to the turret to kill it, not 9.>250hp head means it takes 2 shots (because falloff)arc thrower is not subject to damage fall off. it does 100% of its damage at all ranges. It takes 2 to kill a hulk because the hulk eye is 25% durable so you're only doing 212 damage a shot.
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775244415760960/76561198070044660d10 watevr
>>507734302yeah honestly i dont care at all brother
>>507728234I see, good to know
>>507734172>What are you gonna do ? You'll nuke it from as far as you can because if they get close you lose.>wears PP armour>brings stun batonnah I'd win
>>507733936People unironically play expert realism in this game?
>>5077343503/4
>>507734350full
imagine using an arc thrower for more than 5 mins and not wanting to off yourself. must be nice being a retard.
>>507734172What could help the bugs be more fun to fight? Bugs that teleport to you, more cloaking bugs, more flying bugs, carrier bugs, bugs that dash to you, bugs that have gravity shields to curve your shots, medics?
>>507734746i killmog you and deathmog you
>>507734810>yellow number go up is all it takes to make anon happyi am truly envious
>>507727495>>507727819>>507729637I found it.>>507724251In retrospect it's probably just the Energy Diaper protecting me. but still.
>>507734950personally i would rather kill myself than complete a SEAF side objectivekills are all i need to be happy in hd2
>>507734746Arc Thrower feels near mandatory for D10 Illuminate so you can stall Overseers while your squad deals with Tripods and shit
>>507735259Just... pick any medium pen gun?
>>507734482I was thinking reading >>507734172 that some of those changes just sound like they'd make the new melee weapons the bug meta instead.>bugs spot Helldivers>bug breach detected>swarm of bugs rush players>are faster than players now so running away isn't as much of an option>players commit to the DPS check against the swarm>if they pass, great>if they fail, draw stun batons and spears and countercharge the stragglersCould be fun. Doesn't really solve much of the overarching problems mentioned however.
>>507735259Please tell me you're like level 50
>>507735385Obviously I'm using medium pen, but when there's 20 overseers at once firing on you it's better to nullify 5+ at a time
giant 40k fag who just got this game for christmasHelldivers 2 takes a fat steamy shit on Space Marine 2 that is all
>>507734384suck my dick
>>507735575bbut the operashun
>>507735603sorry that was rudehonestly what you said is valuable but i just dont like being wrong
>>507735259Uhh bro, your scorcher?
>>507735434>bugs are faster>throw tesla tower>tesla tower takes the aggro of every bug because of how high it's threat level is>jetpack away>back to square oneEven if you fuck up the gameplay as hard as you can, people will still find a way to exploit it and the /hdg/ retards will still complain about the game being too "easy"
>>507735575It's better than 99% of shooters, I don't think I've ever played something that makes you feel like you're actually shooting something
What's the better guard dog? The bullet or laser one?
>>507735862BT + Shrieker patrols, Stalker patrols, Behemoth + Chargers patrols
>>507638551a twisted and unfair tactic of shooting and walking at you slowly
>>507736418MG Sentry>B-butMG Sentry
>>507734482That's just challenging yourself by choice."Meta" is dictated by the most simple and/or efficient methods devised by the players.Most people won't do what you do and go melee only against the melee faction.Once again, i remind people of the "leg meta" against chargers.>>507734782Genuinely ? A change of mechanics.L4d2 was talked about, so let's see how they do it.>the common enemy isnt expected to kill you>specials are the ones supposed to kill and or put you in a lose condition>specials are rare and have their own way to fuck with you, whether it's long range, speed, overwhelming HP and force, spawning a horde to chip at your health>specials do not instakill you but incapacitate you in some way.I look at starcraft and 40k's tyranids for ideas about bugs being better at fucking you. I think it's that bugs just don't have many "support" units, if any. It's just>bug that can kill you>bug that WILL kill you>bug that's here to soak some of your firepower but also that can kill you in a pinchThe only kind of support unit i can think of is the spore charger, which actually prevents you from using your best advantage until it's killed : range. It obscures the enemy so you HAVE to remove it to be able to interact with bugs again. I just don't understand why they made it also a killing unit by being a charger and a bomb at the same timeAdding bugs that can help other achieve their kill condition would help, i think. Whether you rebalance the entire faction to have lesser bugs basically enable bigger, more important bugs or introduce new, supporting units.>shield bugsA bug protecting others around it. Like the smaller ones that need medium armor pen to be killed, but charger sized ?>nydus worm-likeAn enemy that once aggro'd actively spawns bugs close to you. I don't actually think that one would change anything, but it would make bug breaches more organic.>Quick digging enemy that harasses youMy post is becoming too long, cont. later
>>507736182>something that makes you feel like you're actually shooting somethingyeah, retarded as the sw*des are i was honestly shocked by how well conceived the shooting was, and that even the execution was only moderately scuffed.considering that this is their first real shooter idk how they managed it. despite being nogunz there is only the partial mg reloads that are glaring, meanwhile the rpm and zoom level toggles on most guns are basically unheard of outside of arma and tarkov scopes.
>>507735575>Shot towards a horde in HD2>Bits of chitin/metal flying out, enemies flinch and limp, they look visibly hurt>Shot towards a horde in SM2>It feels like shooting a big flesh wall with a splatter effect but zero actual impactMy disappointment was immense.
Yeah the car's cool and all... but you do know you can ride of exosuits.... right? Not all of you are tourist filth right?
>>507736418gun dog is med pen, laser dog never runs out of ammo. ammo is rarely an issue though, so gundog is usually better.
>>507736790*ride on top offuck my baboon brain
>>507737089Shoot it
Should I get the orbital rail cannon strike? It looks kinda awesome.
>>507736647>That's just challenging yourself by choice.no that's me picking a loadout that deals with the primary problem that the faction presents in this hypothetical. if bugs got faster and started regularly and effectively threatening you in melee, bringing a loadout that counters them in melee is the go-to play.
>>507737285It's not that good now that we have so many options to kill armored targets but it's always satisfying to push the "fuck you" button
>>507737285It's literally the worst stratagem sans Eagle/Orbital Smoke
>>507736623>>507736903What about the gas one?
Ok so after all these buffs to everything, is Scythe really still just dogshit? It was also trash in the 1st game. Why even keep it around?
>>507737285It's kind of a noob trap since the cooldown is so long. If you're playing on lower difficulties where you encounter very few heavies it's alright, but there are better options.
>>507737285>killing any ONE unit every 3-3.5min is awesomeno. it really isnt.
>>507736418Gun Dog by a country mile.>b-but, the up time!Because the Rover can't kill shit. Ever notice how long it fucking takes to kill one or two enemies? In that same amount of time the Gun Dog kills at least twice as many. All that needs to happen is that you pick up an ammo box every now and then.
>>507737517Did you try the Flamethrower? Imagine a drone constantly aiming that thing at you, except it doesn't actually damage enemies, only you and your teammates
>>507737702Also, it can't kill Factory Striders or Harvesters in one shot.
>>507737682>Ok so after all these buffs to everything, is Scythe really still just dogshit? the scythe was always good[\spoiler] on bots
>>507737285It's worthless compared to the Orbital Laser.
>>507737890idk, if you have any full auto weapon you can take out the tripod shield before calling down a strat, or even after throwing it.
Damn the wasp is lot better on bots than I thought it would be
gun dog a gud boyhe get bullet treats
>>507737682its hitscan.... what are you even SHOOT THE HEAD
>>507738118how does it do vs hulks? 2 mags?
>>507737682It's not dogshit, it's just not good enough, sometimes I use it and it doesn't make me want to kill myself like using the Libcon or the Defender
Finish my Bots setup:>Armor: B-01>Primary: Jar>Secondary: ?>Nade: Stun>Stratagems: Commando, Jetpack, ?, ?
>>507737682Scythe only matters if you are hitting weakpoints. >trash on squids because of the way overseer armor works, you cant break the head armor, so you can never get the bonus weakpoint damage. >trash on bugs because the weakpoints are all huge and even high recoil guns can hit them reliably and do faster dps. >great on bots because they have small weakpoints that are low armor
>>507738254anywhere between 2 rockets and 2 mags depending if you roll the gacha on hitting the headit's much better against medium enemies than heavy enemies
>>507736647I think the spore charger should also increase damage taken by Helldivers, but Helldivers are already so squishy it'd be ridiculous. Id say the impaler also counts as a support bug, given its job is to harrass you with tentacles, as well as Shriekers.>Shield bugMake it a larger (Bile spewer size) version of the shield guys with a larger crest that bugs hide behind. Make this crest destructible. Weirdly Chargers technically already fulfill this role.>Nydus wormI like the idea of giving them a Watcher type unit, it would make them less annoying.>Burrower enemyHive lords, or a hive lord type enemy.
>>507738793try again then post
I love the kick emoji. It allows me to state my disappointment with shitters.
>>507736418The bullet guard dog is better for dealing with medium enemies since it targets weak points, but it wastes ammo on weaker enemies and often reloads at inconvenient times. The laser guard dog, on the other hand, is useless against medium enemies because it targets the center of mass instead of weak points, but it's great for dealing with weaker enemies since it doesn't need to reload. If you go with the laser, make sure to bring a weapon that can handle medium enemies. Otherwise, stick with the bullet dog My opinion? The bullet one—chaff won’t kill you, but medium enemies might and your teammates will. The rover is for kill mogging.
>>507739124>emoji
>>507738793Liberator, Peacemaker, HE, MMG, OPS, Airstrike, MG Sentry
>>507739105>>507739304I can give up the others but I really need the jump pack in there.Liberator is really tempting tho. Love that thing.
>>507735545I don't have this problem.
>>507739495replace the jar with a senator instead, you can one shot headshot with it too
>>507734746There's no reason for it to not operate like the blitzer.
>>507736647>>507734782Cont.You also need to take the identity of the faction into account, and whether what we see is all we are getting or if more units will change the flow. Are the terminids just this horde faction that you can infinitely kite, or are they supposed to work differently ? Are the units im suggesting a good idea in relation to what is intended by the devs ?The squids basically work the way bugs kinda should, with one chaff enemy horde taking your attention and another enemy being the one that supposedly should kill you.I think another thing arrowhead made a mistake with is trying to artificially inflate the difficulty with mission modifiers instead of having in-faction ways to deal with you or enable others to deal with you.The bugs work in one way and one way only : they get to you in melee and they try to kill you there. They just can't get there.Carrier bugs, spawner bugs, protecting bugs, healing bugs, overall supporting bugs enabling others is what i think would be the best way to fix bugs. Ways to have them disrupt your flow without resorting to simply killing you.The game needs to have ways to throw wrenches in your plans without being a simple "i kill you" or enabling an automatic kill. Acid kind of but not really fulfills this role for the bugs, as it slows you down/damages you even if you win the fight, which is kinda annoying in its own right because it's ubiquitous to 5+ unitsIt's also hard to do that specific last part in a game where we are supposed to die as much as helldivers.I'm kinda running out of steam here. I don't know if i can fix the entire game by spitballing ideas like that, or if the problems are deeper and go back to the drawing board>>507737320You know what ? That's fair, you were smart about it.>>507739080The burrower enemy idea i had was a smaller version of this, pic related (40k ravener)Also the hive lords could fit the nydus worm niche.>2k symbols alreadyGonna stop but the idea is here
>>507739985Isn't Verdict better vs bots?
I have now unlocked every single warbond.Is it just me or does the noxious ranger helmet just barely mismatch the green medium prototype armor from cutting edge? I just want a helmet to go with that armor that I don't fucking hate the look of.
>>507740380NTA but I usually take Verdict for bug hunts while using senator for bot fights.It just feels good to have a hold out weapon that can kill a hulk through its eye slit.
TLDR for this entire bug discussion>We have 20 lives and 10 difficulty levels to choose from. Bugs should be more dangerous if all they can do is melee>NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
>>507739080I need to finish addressing what you saidChargers technically fit the shield bug niche but also not really.They take your attention, but they don't protect the other bugs. They are simply just another enemy trying to kill you and steer your attention away from other matters. They are basically the equivalent of a battering ram more than a shield.Also, watcher as in a slowing unit or watcher as in a unit summoning reinforcements ? cause that's already what most bugs do when they see you
>>507740380verdict is good if you like one shotting troopers, or magdumping into a berzerker in emergenciesthe peacemaker and senator are probably more effecient when it comes to accuracy and reliability for getting headshots on devs and hulks in a pinch, but i just bring the verdict personally purely because i like one shotting troopers
Beat the bots on Shelt now what
>>507740760I'm glad you can live in such a simple world anon.
>>507740760Yeah but the suggestions are retarded>"Guyz lets just make the bugz fastah"This solves nothing. It would be as if you increased the fire rate and accuracy kf every bot to make them "harder".
>>507740101everything you describe is how bugs used to work before each bug type got nerfed down to W+M1.>Shriekers could oneshot anything by slamming into it after they died mid-dive>BTs had esoteric durability, 2 EAT shots to the face *sometimes* killed them, and that was the best you could hope for.>Hunters had a snare attack, and didnt wait in a neatly order line to attack>Stalkers were incredibly tanky, and required stagger or they would almost always get one big hit/knock down on you.>Chargers had no real weakpoint, mag dumping the ass end was the intended way to deal with them.I doubt they will roll any of that back, let alone add new mechanics.
>>507740816Watcher type bug that summons reinforcments. On the note of slowing, maybie nursing spewers could coat the ground in resin, slowing divers when they try to walk over it
>>507740380oh whoops im fucking retarded, didn't read the top
>>507737727>Did you try the FlamethrowerI love the flamethrower though.
>>507740986Martale, then Aurora Bay
man I was levelling for ages on bug missions but I've seen the light bros - it's red and fires back
>>507741172Railgunning charger legs was peak first month gameplay for me before AH decided using tactics like that was problematic to the 'meta' in a fucking PvM game. Take me back..
ubanea/draupnir>>>>>malevelon creekcreek days are reddit
>>507741172That's fair but it barely toed the line between balance and artificially inflated resistance.Not being able to kill tank equivalent (chargers) with anti tank weapons was kinda retarded. Also the GLOWING ORANGE SPOT ON THEIR ASS THAT WASNT REALLY ONE. All those years of video game conditioning reduced to nothing.I'm mixed on release balance, because it had some good ideas and some utterly baffling decisions. It was also still kiting meta, the enemies were just harder to deal with. See what i mean by "just" changing values ?Also shriekers killing by bodyslamming you was not intentional. If a bug that's basically a flying hunter can kill you by dying, that's not good design imo.Like, look at this video. It's just slapstick comedy the first time, after the 100th it's just becomes annoying. They arent missiles, and this offers no counterplay>wins if it lives>wins if it dies>>507741342Give me anything that's not just "i kill you really really fast"
>>507741962>>507741962>>507741962>>507741962
>>507740986never understood why the game had such a blatantly cthulhu named planet.
>>507742103Gamers don't look up
>>507741172>Chargers had no real weakpoint, mag dumping the ass end was the intended way to deal with themstill assmad about this. I will die seething at swedish retardation.
>>507742103>Not being able to kill tank equivalent (chargers) with anti tank weaponsyeah man what were they thinking making anti-tank weapons do literally zero damage to big enemies? didn't matter how many times you shot them it would do no damage at all. impossible to kill them with anti-tank weapons no matter how many times you hit them. literally couldn't be killed
I know it would kill the game but I really do wish they super buffed the Terminids so that it would force people to go to Automoton maps instead.I also think that Illuminate should stay as a random appearance on the map because the second they become fully cemented on the map every who's doing Terminids will go Illuminate because they're even easier
>>507742883>bring RR>get your friend to team-reload you>double tap charger head with 1 second team reload>dead chargeryou did have friends, right?
>>507744218when they're fully cemented they will have their full roster and be the literal, figurative, and ontological rape brigade. It is the swede's will.
>>507741172>>507742883>>507741873I liked Charger leg meta. It made sense to me honestly, big animal dies if it loses it's leg is absolutely logical, a lot of animals work this way (horses being the most known ones where broken leg is enough to warrant one-way trip to glue factory). If nerfs were neccesary I'd un-armour their back legs more and put glowing paint over them since retards and zoomers require yellow paint to tell them what to do in video games, then it'd be as simple as either having something to go through front leg or going around one. Flamethrower legs also made perfect sense in a way. I liked both of those mechanics and it honestly baffles me they apparently weren't intended.If anything it was the Bile Spewers that needed to die to being hit in the ass more and Bile Titans needed any sort of weak spot at all.
>>507742883>90% of the body is covered in heavy armour that only 5 weapons could penetrate>10% of the body is completely unarmoured and can be damaged by any weapon>CHarGeRs haD No WeaKPoInTSyou might be the retard here
>>507745486anon that specific part of the charger has 90% damage reduction against anything not explosive.
Everyone is talking about meta's, but what about the traitor eradicate meta?> Eradicate mission> Have someone get marked as a traitor> Infinite bombardment, as long as traitor lives> Run around and let the bombardment deal with the enemy, typically bugsAnyone know if this actually works?
>>507745486It's disingenuous because the "weak point" that could be damaged by any weapon required massive amount of ammo to do anything, effectively negating its purpose.You gimped yourself try to get that, especially when the turn speed of chargers and they almost never stagger state prevented any real form of shooting that part
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