Top-secret patches on the way Edition>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/04-04-2025-update.60284/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be autistic.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too muchAdditional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlocked.wiki/https://liquipedia.net/deadlock/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHcDeadThread >>519584701
dead game
Updated movement system: easier corner boosts and double wall jumps - thoughts?
>14k average means a few hundred players difference from 13k daily peaksanon... i.......
>>520509541I think it is an excellent change, it was difficult to make that kind of jumps in a real dangerous situation and not just in sandbox.
Marvel Rivals really killed this game for me.it's just pure moba cancer
>>520510046>moba game is in fact>a moba>marveltard couldn't figure that outwrites itself.
>>520510046why are you posting here 5 months later then
>spectating was working fine finally>these recent patches broke it again
EO
>>520510046marvels really mogs deadlock when it comes to casualsmoba sweaties are attracted to dota and league and won't move outcompetitive hero shooters have been a total meme for the genre's entire existancewho is this game even for? the only thing it has going for it is the movement and engine physics and the melee system imo
is there a decent build for ivy centered around the 2?obviously you wouldnt be dealing any damage but sitting on two characters and giving them both 50%+ fire rate and 50%+ bullet lifesteal seems retarded
>>520509541more like cancer boost
>>520513258If Rivals gets a PVE mode I'm switching to it, I can't stand the PVP as it's so dull.
>>520513258I like the urban noir fantasy setting over all the generic scifi/multiverse garbage we've been getting this decade. I like the power progression of ASSFAGGOTS combined with an action game where your movement and aim matters. The game offers an experience I can't find anywhere else, and I'll be playing for years once they drop 1.0.
>>520513678sorry bro they nerfed the things that made ivy unique so much people are straight up trying to make melee ivy work right now instead. no sovl allowed>>520513948i'm skeptical they can make pve in the first place with how dogshit the performance in that game is but if they somehow manage to make a L4D style game in there it'd genuinely be really cool
>>520513258>marvel rivals shill>is actually just a porn addict that doesn't play the game, just jerks off to the characterswhy are they all like this
>>520514018>I like the urban noir fantasy setting over all the generic scifi/multiverse garbage we've been getting this decadesame but I don't play any of these games for their lore or worldbuilding, if you've played any multiplayer live service game for any sort of time you know that it's a complete lost cause to give half a shit about it. Valve certainly isn't any better at it, have you SEEN crownfall? dota characters are already one note as they are and they somehow made them act out of character AND have the most boring plotline they could've imagined for that too -- all the while having the "haha we're so quirky lol" tone that has been plaguing the company ever since portal 2 releasedfair enough on the rest though cheers
>>520514180i was merely talking from a playerbase perspective, i don't do either actually, marvel's models and animations are so high quality they genuinely retroactively ruin the actual porn the community makes for me. and I'm not gonna jerk off nor play the game to just regular ass models and animations.
>>520514235The VNs make it seem like they'll take the story seriously for at least a couple of years. I fully expect cancerous particle skins to degrade the game's identity over time, but that's a long ways off.
>>520514036>people have returned to melee ivy when she's literally the only character with a weaker than average meleeholy GRIM
>>520514447I wouldn't expect them to make any more VNs besides a few for the base roster. Just check how long they take to do Dota's comic, or crownfall, or the TF2 comic. Valve's interest is going to long dwindle before ever reaching that final line. But if we're going to talk about the tone, it's already happening with Deadlock as well. It's taking itself mostly seriously for now, but you still have shit like Bebop in a dress, Ivy gets a job, the removal of more "edgy" lines for the patrons/lash/ a few other heroes. Shopkeeper's entire character. It's not BAD right now, it all seemingly fits together, but that shit is gonna start slipping fast. It happened with TF2, it happened with Dota, it even happened with HL too. There's nothing protecting Deadlock from Valve just making it a shitpost over time.>but that's a long ways off.dude us dotards said exactly the same and it only took a year or less after launch for valve to start fucking that shit up. the "What rules?" meme is like 11 years old by now>>520514778to be fair seeing this shit i get why they're doing it it actually seems pretty funhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_scJgBGXC8
>>520514778it's weaker, but it's still worth getting a guaranteed hit off with
>>520510046I am waiting for a casual mode because the movement is superior in deadlockBut if it's just moba this game is DOA. Just looking at discord and reddit this game is only gonna be played by jobless autistic transfolx and edgy russian dotards
>>520517189does this game even have a chinese audience? dota has a big one but deadlock seems to not have even made a splash over there
>>520518014>does this game even have a chinese audience? dota has a big oneMaybe 8-10 years ago. Shit's dead over there ever since they got spanked back to back on the big stage at TI (even at home, it was kino)
>>520518014they have to add gold-trimmed jade dragon sets for every hero and add monkey king first
>>520518170there's enough chinese interest for entire events to have chinese cosmetic slop only at least>>520518321you joke but by launch you can guarantee there's at least gonna be one chinese hero
Game is dead and does not deserve to waste as slot in /vg/ it should be moved to >>>/vm/ where games like diablo, that has way more players than this shit, now have to open their generals in.inb4 tf2 retard (probably the only person that posts here) copes and seethes.
>>520519243at this point i genuinely believe the page 10 bumper is just doing it out of spite rather than a genuinely love for the game
>>520519243>>>>>slotit would be a smash pedo that lives in a general for a game he hates, LMFAO
>>520519243>>520519349thanks for the bumps btw
>>520520441nigga you keep the thread alive through an entire fucking week with half the posts being you bumping the threadit literally does not matter
>>520520562>nigga you keep the thread alive through an entire fucking week with half the posts being you bumping the threadyou are absolutely not schizophrenic in the slightest, KEK
>>520520643and apparently you're autistic since you took my hyperbole complete straight
>>520520752oh you're also retarded? my condolences...makes sense that you'd sit in a general for a game you got filtered by for literal weeks.where is your handler?
The black woman of Valve unoriginality.These are TWO different characters.
>>520520870what are you even talking about
>>520508886what kind of jacket does shiv carry? i want one
>>520521350>he's also illiterateLMFAOOO
>>520521442seems like a generic sheepskin bomber jacket.don't forget the wooden arm, bro.
>>520521673does it have a fur collar too?
uh oh meltie
>>520521792https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/shiv-deadlock-hero-model-6518366a185f40af862de7b4416bd566looks a lot like it
>LOOOOOOOOOL U SOLO ULT'd MEEEE???
how do we make Tesla Bullets not dogshit?
>>520522764his hand covers the part i wanna see. but it looks like it doesnt have a fur collar.
>>520523030Make it cost 1250 doubloons + prerequisite.
>This map sucks and is a pain to rotate on>LETS REMOVE THE SIDE TELEPORTERS!
>>520526227just buy movement items
>>520522882>buh buh WHY DID YOU SOLO ULTcause fuck you bitch we're already winning and i'm getting rid of their teams hyper farmed carry character
ivy + vyper ethernal friendship
>>520522882>Use two low-cooldown ultimates on out-of-position enemy>lol thanks for 2 ults>Kill his team in the ensuing 6v5>Use same two ultimates on him again
>>520522882is there nothing to counter Lash's ult?Or at least his stomp?
>>520547873hiding is what I doI feel like if you get ult'd by him you were dead already
>>520547873>you can double-jump his stomp if he doesn't collide with you
>>520509541I think it's going to result in Lash getting nerfed, and maybe there will be future nerfs to walljumps. It's really easy to go nuts in a corridor to become difficult to hit. Who knows, maybe it will all balance itself out and you just buy knockdown for tweakers?Was that one insider larper a few threads ago legit? I never expected them to actually fix mantling.
>>520513258>who is this game even for? the only thing it has going for it is the movement and engine physicsMe. This game speaks to me on a spiritual level. I've been playing on the GoldSRC/Source engine my entire life. It's the only thing I understand, it feels like home.Jokes aside, you are right that the game feels like it has an identity crisis. The honeymoon phase of this game was extraordinary, nothing quite like it on the market. However, the issue is that many things that work in a moba are not compatible with a movement shooter. CC feels fucking awful in shooters, but they're the bread and butter in mobas.My feeling is that this game will probably be stuck in development hell for an insanely long time before they figure out the formula, kinda like tf2.
>>520551063>Generic hero shooter with MOBAshit that adds nothing to the game>nothing quite like it on the market
>>520551852Nah, this is game tries to take the mix further than others. Most hero shooters just have light moba elements to them, but they're not mobas. This game feels like something you could actually call a moba shooter. Just think about the totally-not-gridshot soul mechanics, or all the movement techs with abilities. There's also abilities that can be used in a hero shooter context, or a moba context like Puddle Punch, Ice Dome, Wall, etc. It seems like they're diluting the moba aspect, and that's a shame. I guess it is for the better though, all the lane freezing and creep manipulation really hurt the fun of the game.
>>520509541I was wondering why the movement system changes felt so familiar until I saw this name on the forums. I fear for the future. I want to forget that game existed
>>520553782who
>>520554247That's the guy who made the movement for Brink. The only good thing about the game was the hat that every sweaty tf2 sniper wears.
>>520554949oh never heard of that game looking at the cover and now I see what hat it is
>>520522882>see 3 people>start ulting>one warp stones behind a wall, the other eshifts>the retarded haze has a meltie about how only trash lashes solo ult someoneit had to be a haze player didnt it
>>520514180Deadlock isn't playable and isn't jerkable on top of it.
>teammates use comms and talk like they are streaming
>>520561259you should see that finch guy or whatever he pauses the game just to change songs
>>520556541Thanks for the feedback. These issues will be addressed once we finalize the hero designs. The current models in the game are simply placeholders so we can test functionality.
How is it possible I get a soul 'denied' when I am literally shooting it first, prefiring it, watching it hit the soul, but it just doesn't work for me? I mean I genuinely do not understand it. Yeah I know ping exists and bullet speeds and all that shit. But there are times I am shooting where it's going to be before, during, and after it's even on my fucking screen and it gets denied.
>dota>has a character that can stop time in a massive sphere>characters are totally helpless, even magic immunity doesn't protect them>deadlock>character can only summon a little time wall>doesn't even stop characters in any way, and only temporarily stops projectilesdeadlock can't compete
>>520568537ever since the new map the soul last hit and denying mechanics have been totally fucked. it wasn't so bad before this most recent patch but now i can shotgun blast every single soul the moment in spawns as abrams and not get a single deny
>i pressure the enemy laners and escape with low health>full health teammate rushes into them and dies>WTF STOP AFK BOT
>>520570753>avengers endgame>superheroes save the fucking universemartin scorsese can't compete
>>520556541>isn't jerkable on top of it.
what would you do if you heard "who's ready for a ride?" and turn around to see ivy standing there?
>>520577139terrified because I am going to be abducted and have my legs smashed from hitting the concrete when i'm thrown like a bomb from a mile in the air.
>>520577857you'll be fine she'll just use her watcher's covenant and heal you
I havent played since the Christmas patch. Any major changes outside of new characters?
>>520579163new map and side teleporters removed with a movement change pretty much it
>yet another toggling mirage episodethey pick this character so they can tp onto team fights and toggle easier
>>520584045what crit% do you consider normal?
>>520585736less than me
>>520585852what do you get?
>>520585957ad hominem
>>52058595727%
>>520586306fallacy fallacy
>>520586462please accept my concession
>>520586516im just wondering...if i have a good game i get like 22-25...dont report me im not cheating...
>>520579163New map, and they changed the movement system. Mantling is less retarded, and you can walljump multiple times.
Remove flag creeps from the game.
Why build gun when spirit is OP as fuck still
>>520596875because gun scales harder and people will build spirit resist
I don't build gun nor spirit, I only buy schmovement items and have epic rooftop battles against enemy Lashes.
>flip flop between playing like a god and then getting my shit beat in as lashi don't get him
>>520599029You go up and then you go down. What's there not to understand?
>>520599340idk maybe lash should do a side kick into the wall
>>520599886sounds like a bebop thingfuck off
>>520600076uhhmm bebitch can only punch and i said kick which is associated with the lash's ground pound but instead he'd do a wall slam with his foot
>>520554949Brink was fun.
>>520597113Bullet resist exists and is far more accessible to every hero than spirit resist.
stop this rp cringefest bros
>>520604895not your bro, faggot
>>520608452shut up ivan
>>520609123meds, pablo
tried kelvin again going beam with infuser and damn it goes crazy but also got carried by the 33/1 japanese named bebop
>>520600609>bebitchbitchbop has a better ring to it
>>520611365whatever any insult is good to throw at the scrap pile
>>520604551It was very half-baked. The maps were atrocious tho
>4 months into 2025>only thing that changed is haze being a useless griefpick in lower and lower ranksTime to take yet another break.
throwing games seem a lot more fun than actually playing them seriously now.
the match making is totally fucked upis it just because theres not enough players?no team is actually balancedthe ranks on each team are all fucked
the fuck yoshi
Any chance of competitors releasing the same type of game? They seem to have more than enough time to develop a clone, considering how Deadlock will be stuck in development hell for another year or two.
>>520624453fortnite just needs to copy the abilities and they're all set with skins
lets remove teleporters lmao, no ganking, no helping lanes, we must keep things simple
>>520625408This, but unironicallyThe rat game is too difficult with those pieces of shit, fucking get rid of them
>>520624453Look for Riot releasing their own casual-friendly version within the next year or so. Early on in the alpha there were confirmed Riot devs fiending the game. And once again history will repeat itself and Riot will come out on top over Valve because>ANot lazy and get it out fast before the competition>BKnow how to make designs that make the masses coom >CKnow that cutting out depth makes the deadbrained masses happier
>be ivy>go to lane>have terrible damage output from super projected spells that people just dodge out of every time>have terrible gun>have terrible melee damage>literally the worst laning phase in the game>perpetually get raped by calico/talon/haze/holliday/infernus/geist/mirage/mo/paradox/pocket/shiv/vindicta/viscous/warden/wraith/yamato>literally can't even mag dump a single creep in the head baseline>valve thinks this is acceptable because she provides a 10% ROF tether in lane and this is how they must balance her
Why do I lose every single lane? I try to do my best, but it always feels like my laning partner never denies, deals no damage, and occasionally runs in and kills himself from time to time. This happens every single game. Meanwhile, the enemy laning partner always feels like a coordinated two-man premade. What gives?
>>520633743probably something to do with the fact that the matchmaking is the worst of any game ive ever played
>>520625408>having a way to instantly teleport to the other side of the map when you fuck up is actually very complicated
>>520625408I don't understand the point of them either. The side lanes might as well be 1 lane with them around.
>>520627604that's why 2XKO is looking to dominate the fighting game marketand not flop because they took 8 years and are launching with 10 of the most milquetoast characters they had on hand
How to play Abrams? Every time I fight one they are unstoppable monsters but when I play them it feels like no matter how much I shoot, punch, stay close, use my skills, it tickles the enemy and then I die. You'd think he'd be a very easy character but I genuinely do not understand how to play them because whenever I do, it don't work
>>520646228During teamfights I just leap/warp stone in and steal someone away with Charge so that the rest of my team can gape them.During 1v1s when the enemy doesn't instantly fold to Charge + Heavy Punch I kite them until Charge comes off cooldown and just repeat the combo.
>>520645062>I'm stupid so it's fine
>2 hours to find a matchDEAD GAME WALKINGWE GOT A DEAD GAME OVER HEREDEEEAAAAD GAAAAAEEEEEMMMMMM
>>520646112and it will still do better than the crownfall fighting game valve managed to put together, same as it happened with shartifact, same as it happened with blunderlords.
i was oracle 4ive been on a massive loss streak and im now archon 4im still matched with and against the same peoplewhat gives
>>520624453Smite already exists, retard.also Gigantic mogs both but it's dead so...
>>520632343just a few weeks ago you would have been called an ivy downplayer for making this post
you can always tell when someone is a mongoloid when they compare deadlock to smite
>>520651462shut up ivan
>>520651462retard.
>>520651617>>520651738>so mad he's samefagginglmao
>>520651794>everyone that makes fun of me is one person actually.you are not a retard at all :)
>>520651794ivan kys
Why is it so hard to get teammates to listen and do the right thing? The amount of times we have had a good opportunity as a team to do something (take mid, take a walker, etc) but nothing happens is crazy to me. Like even if you ask for help, even if you get on mic and ask, no one fucking listens. It's like they think the thing they are going to do (typically farm 2 creeps) is the right choice. When it just never fucking is. I mean I genuinely ask how you're supposed to play the game when your teammates are just too braindead to do shit? They don't push, don't group up, don't run the urn. They are just asleep at the wheel atleast 70% of the time. Somehow you're the bad guy if you ask for help or call someone and idiot for doing the bad play. It's driving me insane
>>520651919>>520651984>i better pull out my phoneLOL
>>520649447>it will do better than a free minigame in a seasonal eventokay?
>>520652117LMFAOOO, you are so embarrassing.how big is your ego you think you're important enough to be samefagged with an insult?good lord, you're a bigger retard than I thought.you're obviously new here so i'll give you a tip.lurk at least 3 years before posting.
>>520651794>seething
>uhh smite is third person and so is deadlock therefore they're the samefunny how triggered the mongoloid got, he obviously felt called out lmao
>>520652645it would be a dotatourist to think a third person MMO with creeps, laning phases, jungle, ganking and roles aren't similarsorry you got BTFO so hard you resorted to vagueposting and screeching that everyone that called you a retard is a samefag.tourist season sure is boring.
>dota players are tourists and not the smitetardslm@o
>>520652815You described literally every moba.
>>520652897both are tourists, retardbro.
>>520653195glad you admitted you're a tourist, feel free to go back
>>520653306I don't play smite because I don't play lowrez games, you play Dota and obviously are a drooling retard because you play that hunk of shit. good shit on agreeing to be a tourist tho LMFAOOO.hurry up and quit already, you're singlehandedly tanking the overall IQ of the player base (doubt you even actually play, this game takes actual effort to play unlike your CC no skill fest dota, KEEEK)
>>520653446>nuh uh, you agreed i didn'tlmao
>>520653494I accept your concession :)
>>520653575nuh uh, you conceded i didn't
>all that autism It's too early for this.On another note>>520652116The problem of lack of communication between team members is one of the hardest things that I don't know exactly what the solution would be. Most of the games drag on because people don't coordinate to go and take the objectives, they lengthen the games a lot between the time they are farming and killing the rival team but they never invade their base between several players (the players that come from shooters have the bad habit of only concentrating on the number of victims, not on how much they have contributed to the game).Maybe give new communication elements, give points for “contributing to the team” or other things like that.
>>520652262it'll do better because valve simply cannot commit to a big scale project that would rival even the shittiest of riot's lootboxed ridden awfully balanced "games", yes.
Right now there is virtually no reason to play Deadlock instead of Dota unless you're a Lashbvll and MAYBE vindicta/talon main
>>520655639I play for my gargoyle wife
>>520655639uhh why play deadlock when smite is the same thing apparently
>lose ritualist 1 game>queue again>win archon 5 game
>>520655639shes fun
>>520656203>only still viable because her long-range better krill ult>keeps getting the rest of her damage numbers nerfed anyway
>>520656406but shes fun
>>520652116you're not the protagonist lil broyou're in MY game and i play however the fuck i want
>>520656671>you're in MY gameyou're not the protagonist lil bro
>>520656735and yet you still seethe at my presence
>>520656850WE'RE in OUR game
>>520655639i play deadlock instead of dota because i dont think point and click adventures make for good pvp gamesglad we're finally getting a moba with a real control scheme
>>520657941literally every pvp game made in a piece of software is a point and click adventure game you fucking mongoloid
>>520657941we've had that for decades and it's called smite
>>520658386i reject your bait>>520658523>hirez
>>520658523>smite
the smitetard is slowly realizing his stupidity.
>>520658761yeah sorry bro i forgot deadlock's totally different with it's 13k daily peaks instead of 6 lol
>>520663010>Deadlock in closed alpha doubles the number of players in a franchise that has been in existence for more than a decade
>>520663010that was a jab at the map design but okay
>>520663328Smite players aren't very smart.
grey talon should not do that much damage
Grey Talons charged arrow should do like 20% more damage, but if he misses the recharge time between arrows is increased by 1-2 seconds to punish him.
>>520656406Why is she so bald and pig-like in appearance?
>>520664751theyre saving that gimmick for when they port over the dragons fury
>>520663259>A game that released less than a year ago has barely 7k more players than a game that has existed for more than a decade
>>520665091smite 2 is less than a year old, retardbro
>"it's just an ALPHA, all the hundred of thousands of players are waiting until it releases!">but PoE2 is a paid alpha too and it has 250k players>"nooooooooo it's just an ALPHA!"
dev build or alpha which is it
>>520665482this game doesn't have a giant marketing campaign or players from a previous game
>>520668302valve fans are some of the biggest shills in the gaming community
>russians not region lockedgames dead on arrival. no one wants to play with russians
>euronot my problem
american gaming communities are only nerds faggots furries and trannies which is why competitive games are dead in NA
euros have russiansamericans have nerds faggots furries and tranniesconclusion: americans win
>its an ivan thinking he isn't universally hated around the globe episodelolgo toggle on mirage or something zigger
every post in the past half hour has been anti russian what are you talking about
>posts only lies and fake leaks>gullible retards still eat it uphow does he get away with it?
how bad would a turbo draft be? Im sick of unbalanced comps
>>520676461what would a "turbo" draft be?
>>520665454>implying the people playing smite 2 aren't just the same that were playing smite 1lil bro really thinks he's unto something
>>520668302it has as much of a marketing campaign as valve is ever going to give it besides being on the store front for a few weeksyou're genuinely just thinking of 2010's and earlier valve
>>520676812>doesn't countpfft
I'll deal with the troopers.
>gun ivy nerfed>actual support-ult ivy nerfed on the first day>melee ivy nerfed for some reason>kudzu ivy nerfed>urn taxi ivy nerfed
I'm having quite some fun by playing Calico with Fleetfoot, Divine Barrier and Magic Carpet (and supporting stuff like Debuff Remover and Fortitude). Then spend the entire match side pushing and running away when stuff seems spooky. And my team will beg me to team fight and I will look down at them and say "no".
>>520680365still gonna kelvin beam it up
>>520680365And I'm still playing her.
>>520678203same argument that you're making for deadlock when you boil it down really, cope harder
>>520680365NO SOVL ALLOWEDBILLIONS MUST PLAY HAZE/SEVEN/SHIV
>>520685801Haze was also nerfed, though.
>>520685605I didn't make any argument
>>520686423my bad g i thought you were this retard >>520663259
>>520686394TRILLIONS MUST PLAY SEVEN
>>520676641doesnt have to be fast if thats what you're scared of
>my shortest match this month was 49 minutes longFuck
>my average departure time is 30-35 minutes.Feels good
>it's another match where the enemy takes all of our walkers but we can't even take one
>>520697303Kind of gay gloryhole RP gameplay, NGL
>>520694440>We picked three of their strongest heroesd!>LETS GO JUNGLE!
okay so i've been playing holiday for a few matcheswhy exactly did they push the hero to live when the barrel physics are STILL complete dogshit AND the new passive basically makes the whole barrel + bouncepad combo completely worthless? like why wouldn't anyone just go full gun?
>>520702809nobody uses barrels without quick meleeing themthey are effectively a grenade with an extra step
>>520702893so what the fuck is the point of the bouncepads thenhell why even have it so you NEED to melee them?and again why wouldn't anyone just go full gun
>>520703171bouncepads give you a shitton of mobility, burst damage on landing, and you can jump over a building then spam barrels on someone before they even see you
>>520703325they're a shittier lash 2 that gets constantly stuck on the map's geometry and that you can only use on the groundyou might as well just buy stamina instead
>>520703612>deals damage and doesn't need an enemy in the direction you're aiming at>can be used by your teammates (like a lash) to coordinate playsif it's too complicated for you maybe stick to warden
>>520703916>wardeni literally just told you it's shittier lash on a hero that doesn't get anything from being high upyou're yet to explain why exactly wouldn't you just go full gun and abuse the passive
>>520704052you get a vantage point to spam barrels from, while someone's being knocked up by a barrel they are a free headshot
>>520704168sp you>need to use your 2 to get in position>spam barrels (pray to god they hit cause you can't ACTUALLY aim where you want with them)>instead of using the explosion to kill them you THEN shoot at themwhy wouldn't you just buy high attack speed and shot them to shit instead?
>Everyone in the team constantly complaining>Lose>Zero communication whatsoever>WinThese people complaining are just projecting, I think.
>>520704820>why does infernus use flame dash, he has a passive he should just keep shooting them
>>520705254infernus dash is as easy to use as a tap of a button and it leaves a giant fuckoff aoe damage effect wherever he goesholliday's jump does a whole 200 damage (before spirit resist) at t3 and accoutns for as much mobility as two (2) dashes while requiring a set upi genuinely believe you're just making shit up now to string me along
>>52070500370% of my Dota wins are>First 20 minutes people bitching and hating each other>Everyone is so tired of it and worn out that they just stop talking>Suddenly start winning team fights>Win>Everyone silently commends each other and leaves
>>520705505and I genuinely believe you don't understand that different characters have different abilitiesholliday's ultimate makes her a teamwork hero, she can't shoot someone while they're roped up, all of her abilities complement coordinating with your team
>>520705767yeah retard see how i literally never complained about her ult at all and instead questioned why the fuck would anyone use the barrels and jump pads rather than going gun and blowing a quarter of everyone's hp off just with ONE headshot
>>520705920because you're literally retarded if you aren't using abilities in a game without mana costscrackshot has a 20 second cooldown and even if you're going gun build the knock-up from the barrel is going to help you shoot them in the head
>>520706321oh my fucking god you truly don't get itwhen I say "why would anyone use barrels and pads instead of going gun" i'm not LITERALLY saying to not use them I'm saying why would you BUILD for them instead of just gun>crackshot has a 20 second cooldownyou're gonna be popping that shit every 4 seconds once you get to t3 in case you somehow missed that
>>520707261BECAUSE IT DOES A LOT OF DAMAGE AND THE UTILITY PROVIDED BY KNOCKING SOMEONE UP FIVE TIMES IN A ROW IS MORE IMPACTFUL THAN A GUN BUILDhttps://tracklock.gg/heroes/holliday/items/7d/all/eternus
>>520707648>180 spirit damage barrels (x5 if you set it up properly so 900)>170 stomp spirit damage>a lot of damagestop saying horseshit and play lash for once in your pathetic life if you wanna know what truly is A LOT of damage>posting statistics to justify holiday's dogshit kityeah bro haha i'm sure she's super good once you build her like tha-
>>520708078>She's low winrate in all ranks because you're singlehandedly bringing it down trying to bounce barrels off of bounce pads and build for bullet damage.
>>520708376c o p e
>>520665482>he's still in a general for a game he got filtered by for being a shitter all these months latermindbroken
>>520708868nta but fym cope?you literally just got proven wrong WITH YOUR OWN SOURCE?come up with an actual argument this time.
>>520709032>replying to a 7 hour old postjesus man, maybe you should be playing instead of seething here?
>>520709761are you retarded or do you truly not realize that a fucking ETERNUS making the character work is not indicative of the character being actually good in the slightlest?
>>520709835>newfag trying to pretend like he knows site cultureyou NEED to lurk 3 years before posting.
>>520710014if the character is overperforming in the hands of the best players in the game, YES, you are the fucking shitter here.if the character played to perfection is shitting on over all of the best players this game has to offer, the character is disgustingly broken and YOU'RE a shitter that's bad at her and can't make her work.
>>520710641what the fuck are you even talking about schizo
>he's also illiterategrim. I forget it is tourist season.
>>520664941Fuck that, gimme the phlog.
it's cute that he's using words he saw in replies he got a few days ago, almost like a kid growing up or something
>>520711363>incest loving pedophileLMFAOOOO, it really writes itself.
>>520711432bro? is there something you want to tell us?
When is the /dlg/ inhouse match?
>>520711591You need more than 3 people to play a Deadlock match.
>>520711545that you use reaction images of a game notorious with incest pedophilia?kill yourself asap nonce.
>>520711432>>520711731andrew and ashley are both adults, though.
>>520711731>game notorious with incest pedophilia>knowing about eceleb shit in the first placegenuinely what is wrong with you
>>520711731This isn't Twitter zoomie. You aren't obligated to post Gokus and shower everyone with your moralfaggotry.
>>520711731ASHLEY'S ALLOWED TO LOVE WHOEVER THE FUCK SHE WANTS FAGGOT
>>520711962>eceleb it was astroturfed by freaks like you for months all over /v/, tourist.
>>520712182>using /v/
>>520712401>he only uses one board on this sitengmi
>>520713387literally who the fuck said that, schizo?
This game is a lot less fun than months ago. The "new" map and CSing changes are the most obvious reasons, however the changes made to items abilities, and guns have made some of my favorite heroes unplayable
>>520610951why doesnt kelvin just clean his goddamn moustache if hes gonna be such a faggot
>>520714065The game's terrible current state is a result of the last 7 months of changes being at best mediocre and at worst game ruining.
mo and cringe is so unkillable late gameI just dove so many 1v5s, killed someone and then just zipped out>knock down, knock down, warden cage, slowing hex>Debuff Remover go BRRRRRmidwits too scared to use the skill shot of Silencing Glyph.
>>520715757kelvin can't stop the snow train from flowing that's why he's still alive
>>520714065What were they thinking with new CSing? Without needing to last hit, laning just turned into "who can brawl the best". Simultaneously, they made denying way harder because the soul only stays up for like half the time it did before. Who is this supposed to appeal to?
>>520717872>they made denying way harderidk about you but i have games where i dont even see orbs before theyre denied, maybe its some russian cheat again
>>520718260>but i have games where i dont even see orbs before theyre deniedSame. 20ms ping, yet the orbs magically get last hit and denied before they even show on my screen. I'll be spraying an entire Ivy magazine at an orb before it even spawns, only for a Russian Talon to hit it with ease.
>>520719069i think there's a bias against prefiring, i get more denies if i wait until the orb has clearly spawned to click
>>520719494there is no orb for me to lasthit bro, its already denied
solution to the orb deny problem by a 0.03ms oled monitor
>>520721649 (me)buy*
>>520717354You say that like Debuff Remover doesn't automatically counter Silence Glyph anywayThat item needs to be fucking removed along with Debuff Reducer
Why do I, as a solo queuer go against a 6 stack?Shit like this is what makes me wish for federal crimes to occur at valve hq
>>520714065I fucking HATE this new map, the old one was fun. Laning is so god damn boring now and pointless. Its just dick around with your retarded lane partner you got paired up with and wait for 10 mins until someone destroys their guardian then they can finally gank the other side. Old map was 100x better.
they should add a new map that's 5 lanes and the middle lane is the only dual lane
>>520717872I feel like denying is pointless. Ive had games where I denied so many souls to only be up by like 100 and games where the enemy team denied almost all of our souls and we were behind like 100.
>>520714065Any meta where Lash is good is abhorrent unplayable dogshit, and the devs suck ass so that's been like 95% of metas.Instead of treating this like an alpha and properly removing problematic shit that will NEVER be balanced they just double down on their retardation every single time.
>>520734135waste of time to balance the game while there's so much other work to dothanks for testing guinneapiggy
>>520734135shut the fuck up, Bebop
>>520651445Did you know she hasn't been providing shields to allies she air drops since december? They just haven't bothered to fix a bug like that for 4 months but they conveniently look into removing solo urns.
Spirit flask Warden might be inferior but he's kinda more fun than gun.
>>520715757Cope, lactose intolerant swarthoid
>Ugh... Lash...
>>520610951wait I was also playing Kelvin with that exact same bebop...
should i...should i take support pill?
>>520508886Met Bebop and Viscous' voice actors (JB Blanc and Yuri Lowenthal) at a con today, I guess they were told different things because I talked to Bebop's VA about the character no problem but Viscous' VA thought someone broke an NDA or something and had no idea people knew it was him or the game was out kek
>>520745943was it this guy
>>520721649I have a 165Hz 0.01ms response monitor and orbs still get denied before I see them.
>>520749061then i guess uhh rip
every vyper is a subhuman animal with no impact that prays on the day the enemy lets him backdoor for 3 minutes straight uncontested. that's the entire hero. straight up f tier garbage. laning with one is like being solo because they legitimately offer nothing in lane
This game would be twice as popular if there was a cunny material.
>>520739893nigga thats man milk
>it's a "teammate builds entirely around their gun, plays like shit and can't aim, and the lions share of their damage comes from their AOE retard ult" episode.
>>520751883holy trvke
>>520751883A lolibaba that's actually 200 years old but cursed with eternal youth and her wish is to undo her eternal youth. She also wears skimpy clothing
>>520751883Ivy's daughter, Yvi.
>>520756906hot
>>520754087
>without fail a russian nigger pausing at the start of every single game
>>520759603If he's on the enemy team, he's toggling his hacks on (aimbot, auto last hit bot, wallhacks).If he's on your team, he's begging his mom not to pull his internet plug while chugging his third bottle of vodka.
>>520763242you forgot auto parrying
>>520766691heavy melee has a full 1 second wind up.if you're playing in 60FPS, that means on frame 18 of the Heavy Melee animation you can react to it and parry for the remaining 42 frames.you're just shit.
>>520768714you dont know what im talking about and thats okay :)
>everyone that is better than me is cheatingwhy are shitters like thisno, they aren't cheating in your oracle game lil bro. you're just getting dunked on by a non shit player.
>lil broOpinion discarded
>>520774527you got raped
>>520775125Yeah, by your mom!
>>520775293I...I lost...
hmmI think we should buff Lash
>>520780153They should buff lash by fixing the tether jank that just randomly cancels your movement off it right after using it.
>>520785032speaking of jank, they NEED to fix that wraith bug where your teleport just fucking disables itself if you walk up a ledge while casting it.
>>520759603you can report them, they'll not only get banned they'll get HWID banned since valve will do that ONLY in Deadlock for some god forsaken reason and not any of their other games like TF2 or CS.
moshi moshi, can i get an invite? my code it's 257142515. Also sink that boat as we talked last night. Later, comrade I'll see you on the battlefield!
I fucking hate indians, I hope these street shitters get range banned from the game. Every time a shitty player opens their mic, it's always a street shitting pajeet. Brainless retards that can't understand it's not Overwatch.
>>520793795stop being European
>>520793915>american education
>>520800432you lost
>>520621619Yes. The problem is that a shrinking playerbase creates a feedback loop that makes the mmr system worse.
>>520680521Be sure to buy melee charge with your fleetfoot so you can HMC away at light speed.
>>520805746but i was told the playerbase was as healthy as ever?!?!?!?!
>>520722735My problem with the whole game of counter items is that it's like stax in magic the gathering. It doesn't really help you turn the tables against a winning player (aka "just buy knockdown" retards), but it helps you shut down a losing player. It's very unintuitive and people end up crippling their builds trying to counter a fed hero when they would've been better off buying power spikes to try outgrowing them.
>>520806675If anything, having a dedicated playerbase like this is a bad thing. It makes it harder for newcomers and returning players to pick the game up when every lobby has turbosweats who fuck them six ways from Sunday. It means the only ones who give feedback are the ones who enjoy the mess deadlock is in, instead of the players that were turned away.I do have hope. The movement changes may seem small, but it makes a huge difference in how the game feels. It feels like a step in the right direction.
>>520707648>THE UTILITY PROVIDED BY KNOCKING SOMEONE UP FIVE TIMES IN A ROW IS MORE IMPACTFUL THAN A GUNBuy a fucking condom, Christ.
Lock status?
>>520825718idk i'm not at my computer rn also valve steal ideas from blizzard do it do it
Is Slowing Bullets still broken?
>>520827957Broken how?
i fucking wish the page 10 bumper was as witty as >>520809451at least it'd be worth keeping this shit on life support for then
>>520526227they were too powerful manjust position better
>>520526227It's not a pain to rotate on, you just suck. I die on the inside every time I see someone slowly walk through the jungle and ignore every jump pad that would zip them through the whole damn thing instantly.
>>520833871I heard that the patch before last fucked the slow effect and it wasn't actually applying.
>>520839789If it didn't work, then I never noticed, tho I do just use it as a stat stick.
Flopping tranny deadcock.
Sometimes I don't mind pauses
>>520839162>>520835769remove the jump pads, they are too powerful
Havent paid attention in a while....this game wasnt always 3 lanes was it?
>>520847905Nope, we had 4 lanes. It was better.
>>520847253Bro nobody even knows how powerful they are because nobody fucking uses them. I don't understand. Use the goddamn jump pads so I can watch some spicy gameplay during my lunch breaks
>>520849891maybe no one uses them because they are in really retarded places?
>>520850286They're not..? I've seen so many retards just... walk past them and slowly waddle up to where the jump pads would take them 10 hours ago. I don't fucking understand, what drives a man to do such a thing?
people use those shitty vents??
>>520856096ayo f'real i just be dashin everywhereif you buy the stamina you can dash like 5 times
why do i need vents when i can just play holiday
I just buy majestic leap to rotate this big ass retard map.
>>520856096If you use the vents, you can rotate between mid and side lanes in less than 10 seconds.
Was 4 lanes really that difficult for players? I feel people are playing worse that ever before with the 3 lane map
>>520865516It wasn't that it was difficult, is that it was solved in a way that couldn't be fixed, and it was unfun: freeze lane until you can gank the solo lane.
how do people manage to feed on geist
>get chat banned for calling people going 0-9 in lane retarded too many times>actually behaving 10x more toxic now that I can't guide these stupid cunts to victory>literally want to kill these russian/ukraine pigs irlgreat system valve totally works lmao
>>520867283Enemy team is good at taking mid-range fights and staying out of her reach, her team has no displacement or lockdown
>>520876312>geist life drains you and runs at you with warp stone>implying you can kite this
>emissary II>can't find match for 20 mins
>>520835421get a job, bro.
>>520747557Gameon con?
>guy on team claims to be phantom (archon game)>dives 1v4 >solo ults random people as dynamo>whines all game in mic and on text>dogshit stats in the results screenI swear its like the higher rank you become the more retarded you get. pushing all the way up to the walker unprompted by yourself without saying anything while the entire enemy team is alive and not fighting anyone, getting jumped and dying in 2 seconds then going on vc and saying "HELLO??? WHERE IS MY TEAM???" what do you even say to this
Has anyone had a problem with Lash's ultimates throwing enemies in the exact opposite direction?
>>520891365>>solo ults random people as dynamoyou're a low elo shitpig, trading any cooldown for a guaranteed pick even if it's just one is IMMENSLEY valuable than holding it all game waiting for your epic reddit clip that never happens.
>>520893848yeah? even if the nearest teammate is on the other side of the lane?
>Haze constantly talking about rank and other dumb shit on voice chat>Gets some kills early on but then falls off hard because he doesn't understand how to teamfight>Constantly complaining about matchmaking and about Vyper>Proclaims the game lost when we fall even the least bit behindI know this was one of you guys. Just shut the fuck up next time. Your worthless yapping is not helping anyone.
I think Geist being left handed is throwing me off when using her gunI don't know whyshe's the only gun I can't seem to be able to get the handle of, and the only things I can attribute it to are the fact it's mostly hidden by her model and it's left handed rather than front and centre from the right
>>520856096>lash player wants to dive blue lane>runs past t1 camp, hits the vent on the small side building that has the stairs up to it>flies in from the fucking top rope, deletes you, parries the guardian, leaves
>Emissary V>Lose one game>Emissary III
Yeah idk chiefObjectives win games, but I guess a 4 smurf stack wins them better
How do I get into team fights where literally my entire team is not doing anything? I'm talking 6v6 or similar and my team is just dealing zero damage. It's like my teammates collectively all decided to not shoot, not use any abilities or ultimates, don't try and dodge anything the enemy throws at time, etc. I can forgive some abilities not going off, but sometimes literally NOTHING is happening from my team. Obviously I am trying myself, using my abilities, etc. But when I have 5 other people near me and I don't see even one wraith card, no lash stomp/ult, no bebop hook, not even a 3 heal from Dynamo, Haze not even shooting, it's like, what the fuck is going on? I swear to god the people that play this game are unconscious beings.
>>520909328>Get entire enemy team down to 20% health through great play and amazing use of team-wide ultimate>Die>Team fails to kill a single person>Team dies while chasing
so like how exactly does one 'carry' a game when 4 niggers go afk in jungle? my yamato literally just ragequit because after having an excellent lane 4 people showed upto our lane and no one responded in kind. instead opting to sit in jungle like useless pieces of shit.
>>520913561>rank hidden>clear 4 stacks on both teams
>>520913906why would I be complaining about 4 niggers if it was my stack
>>520839162>game has amazing movement system that's universally praised even by people that only play the slowest most clunkiest characters in the game (miku)>swap the map so travelling in it is actually a pain in the fucking ass unless you use your designated cuck jump pads>WTF WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS ASS?????funny thing is removing side teleporters on the old map wouldn't have felt as bad as doing it on this one
>>520866027>freeze lane until you can gank the solo lane.sounds more like a problem with the retarded lane phase they lifted from mobas than a map design tbqhdesufam
>>520919045Yeah I imagine they toyed with the idea even back before the map rework because of people crying they couldn't rat with impunity. I've just been building majestic leap. Feels like you NEED it now to have any sort of presence on the map.
>>520890540says the nigger replying at 4am
>>520919397>clapistan thinks the world revolves around his joke of a country
>>520921804>jobless nigger doesn't know how to read timezonesmaybe you should try getting a job instead of bumping thid floppy trannylock general
>>520924476uh oh, obese lardy meltie!!!
One of the most frustrating kind of games I have is when some of our team members decide to go on magical hunts into the enemy's jungle, then die over and over trying to get picks.
>>520930706Not the "my team decides it's better to farm the jungle instead of pushing lanes" or "winnable match up but because the players are bad, they just lose" kind of games? Honestly, my favorite will always be "3 waves are crashing onto our walker, but the nearest player decides it's better to take a neutral camp instead".
>>520933628I'm probably biased because the thing I mentioned was our last cause of losing. For some reason bad decision making frustrates me more than just bad skills. The second is justifiable for players who probably just don't have the time or ability to improve their mechanical skills, but the first one is something you should be understanding after a few matches. Like man, everyone has over-committed at least once, but if you keep chasing someone and dying over and over again in the same match, then something is really wrong with you.
>>520934387>but if you keep chasing someone and dying over and over again in the same match, then something is really wrong with you.Yeah, that's not bad decision making at this point, it's just them being retarded. I think it's because they're used to death timers being 10-20 seconds long.
Trying real hard to get decent at Vyper but laning is fucking miserable every time. Shit seems totally workable on paper and facing Vyper I never feel like she's an easy pick but the other way around I feel useless, you don't have the stamina yet to be slidemaxxing and she starts with negative bullet resist so she's usually just getting melted immediately.What's the build strat for the first 10 minutes or so for her? Even focusing to try and build up gun with things like basic mag and close quarters doesn't seem to get her feeling dangerous in lane at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afkN9H9aLow
I wore this and won three games in a row with Geist.the power of COOM
>>520905787Yeah, that rotation may be my fault and I'm sorry for that. I was the one who discovered and shared all the zmc rollouts with that vent and spread them to lash players.
GET A LIFE
>>520919045That's actually a fair point. Traversing the map can kinda suck if you're not on the rooftops. I wonder if the walljump changes were meant to address that.
>>520919380Nah, Sup stam or Melee Charge + Fleetfoot also do the trick, and there's a lot of things you can do with zipline canceling (is that the right term?) if you're advanced with movement. I'd say the issue with the new map is that they raised the skill floor for rollouts too high, which caused issues because the majority of players suck at movement. I think they should make movement more accessible, because the only ones who can move well from my experience are the ones who have been playing on the source/quake engine for decades. Before, you could just mash dash to rotate between lanes within 10 seconds or so. Now, you have to be too much for zblock for the same result.
>>520913561By playing a carry. Some heroes scale harder than others. Ivy can not carry unless there is an immense skill gap.
Thoughts on Echo Shard Pocket?
2 items per category - yes or no?
>>520965523In what situation would this be good
>>520965582Depends on how they do it. Currently, it's really difficult to pick up and play the game as a new or returning player because it feels like you need to pull out fucking MS Excel and perform Lagrangian data analysis to understand which items actually do shit for you, and the majority of public builds are just garbage spam (cough Linepro cough). Though, 2 items feels a bit excessive; feels like it would kill variety and experimentation. I wonder if there's a nice middle ground with 3 items.
>>520968083Double up on Barrage
The change in walljumps helps quite a bit in movement, the problem is whether new players even know how to use it even with that.I at least now I get them much better than before, so I do notice the change.
>>520979136It takes time for people to adapt. Not everyone reads the patch notes, and I see people doing things like you would with the old walljump.
>>520970197doesnt stack
>>520965523I implore you to reconsider
What are your thoughts on it, anon?
>>520965523>>520970197maybe when barrage healed
>>520987972just like my games
>>520987972I miss those days boss.....
>>5209655822 Items Per Category and Active Items have their own slots independent from any category. So you could continue to have 4 actives
>>520938805I'm currently a Vyper one-trick (used to mostly play Viscous before), here's what I tend to buy during the laning phase. Your objective is to get an enemy to 25% HP and apply venom. I don't buy Extended Mag because I'm always sliding.
ivy (deadlock)
Why play melee ivy when gun ivy is like 10000000x better and stronger???
>solo lanes sucked ass>valve could rework it to make it more engaging>creep aggro/behavior changes, new creeps, alternative objectives for laning phase to promote more engagement>could do something like make a stronger sinners sacrifice spawn right in the middle of the lane for the solos to fight over>instead they just scrap solo lanes entirely because valve is stupid.
>go 15-4-16 as support ivy>next gamethey legitimately don't even try to hide the fact that they want you to lose a certain amount
>>521009350Why play Ivy when any other hero is 1000000x better?
yoshi told me on discord they're making debuff remover 6k next patch
>>521019598That's an acceptable compromise I suppose
>same retarded niggers every game but they're only on my team with the one exception being that 1 of them gets seeded onto a team with a literal aimbotter who carries them to a win they don't deserve
>>521019598now just get rid of debuff reducer
>Return to game after 8 months away>Dog ass at game but have fun>Haven't gone positive in 14 games today>Won 10/14 due to cracked randos>gone from arcanist to ritualistplease stop carrying me to this MMR i can't fucking take it anymore
>>521025469>Make post on /vg/>get in new lobby>10 minutes in>Haze is 12 and 1>We're double farm on them>Still not positiveGET ME OUT OF THIS MMR I GOT BULLIED FOR USING GEIST ULT ON A FULL HEALTH ABRAMS DIVING OUR TEAMWHAT BETTER TARGET IS THERE????
>>520987972Back when this game had SOVL.
>>521026385>I GOT BULLIED FOR USING GEIST ULT ON A FULL HEALTH ABRAMS DIVING OUR TEAM>WHAT BETTER TARGET IS THERE????you're supposed to wait until he uses CD's, mostly siphon life.
I gotta stop trying to play Seven, I'm a fucking aimlet and it feels like throwing>>520987972Does barrage retroactively increase the damage per tick of affliction?
>>521035434Nevermind I just tested that and it does, which is...a unique interaction to damage amp?
>>521035434sometimes if my aim feels like shit i just go a support character and keep the other guy alive
Lower than me (I'm a fucking emissary shitter) ranked games are kinda funnyI have never encountered a Phantom Strike rush Warden, and it confused the FUCK out of me when he first did itTo his credit though, he did use it to escape at one point by turning around and phantom striking me as I jumped off a ledge so he could mantle back up it and run, so I was super impressed by that
>>521035797I wouldbut I'm never allowed to anymoreand I don't play them healbitch anyway
>>521038927>>521039215Nevermind I was beyond useless this match4 stack ascendant team stronk
>>521040970Nevermind, that's an Eternatus 4 lash and his buddies are phantom or lowerI'm STILL ONLY FUCKING EMISSARY
>>521041051It's eternus, not eternatus you stupid fuck.
Why do people lose against Lash? Why don't they know how to build against him?
>>521042446Knockdown, unstoppable, inhibitor, just fucking positioning right, literally fucking anything is too scary to do :((((
>>521041051His buddies would need to be much lower than phantom for the average to be in purple shitter bracket
Is there a reason why people try and run the urn the 'long way'? It is so much more advantageous to run the urn in as straight a line as quickly as possible at nearly all times. The amount of times I just raw run the urn in a line across the map and get literally 0 resistance is crazy. Yet some teammates will pick up the urn and literally run as far as possible around the map to get to the point despite being able to do it 10x faster in almost any way. Obviously you will have times where the enemy is aware and will try to stop you, or you're baiting the urn or something. But I'm talking prime-time to deliver the urn, enemies aren't aware, won't try to stop you because they're dealing with some shit, etc. Yet they pick it up and meander the map without turning it in or worse letting the enemy become aware for a steal. It's mind bogglingly stupid
>>521042691WrongAnyone else on his team would need to be an absolute pisslow to balance it outLook at the stats on the mcginnis, OCE is a nightmare
>>521045682probably so they don't get gaped on the way there
>>521046064But that's what I'm saying? The best route to not get gaped is the shortest and fastest one; which is a straight line. You shouldn't really be running the urn if the enemy has the chance to stop you anyway; unless you're baiting it which is a different strategy entirely. So when you're running it for a capture, you should pretty much always do it as quickly as possible. Whether thats just running it or having ivy carry you or something else. I mean I see players not even do things like take air vents or slide down stairs while carrying urn, they just walk it. Like come the fuck on man? Are you serious? How are they so dumb? It actually doesn't seem possible.
Siphon Bullets Ivy still seems okay. Or does it only work against shitters?
>>521051303you are better off just using slowing bullets inhibitor ivy imo
>>521052290What about Siphon -> Inhibitor?I feel like Siphon gives some sicknasty dam if you pick it up early enough. All you need to do is clip them with a stray shot at close-medium range every second-ish - its proc is 2x the damage of Tesla's initial target damage, and in duels it makes a total health differential of 110
>>521051303Just pick Mirage if this is your plan
>>521053329I've tried siphon and wasn't terribly impressed. Try this out it's fun. I typically go basic magazine -> extra charge -> mystic reach -> healing nova -> healing booster to start then pick up sprint boots and fill out gun cards or just go rescue beam depending on how I feel. Slowing Bullets feels really good but I feel like you would rather nova and booster up unless you were stomping the lane already.
Siphon bullets is fucking dogshit, if you're blowing SIX THOUSAND SOULS on that shit on anyone other than Mirage i'm calling you a tranny faggot and then abandoning the match.get crippling headshot, get inhibitor, get unstoppable, get curse get ANY actual good 6k item instead of that piece of shit.
>>521057148dude if i rush it i can start building stacks and get infinite health
>>521057234>rushing siphon bulletsi'd actually go into voice chat and say some of the most vulgar shit I can possibly think of
>>521057328Siphon bullets provide a flat damage bonus, it's a stronger item the earlier you buy them, stupid retard tourist
>>521057864>Siphon bullets provide a flat damage bonus, it's a stronger item the earlier you buy them, stupid retard touristMost other 6k soul items are also more effective the earlier you purchase the and also provide stronger/better benefit so it doesn't really make a difference does it
>>521057864heres your (You) lil alchemist bro. don't worry, keep at it and maybe you'll be able to play with the big boys.
>>521058110>oracletard talking down to anyoneLMAO
>>521058236>y-you're oracle...!cute alchemist bro, I wish I was still so dogshit at the game where I thought rushing Siphon first 6k was a great idea.I can't imagine how fun and piss easy your games are.
>>521058430Yup, definitely oracle.
>>521058453yeah so what.
>>521058646>He's actually oracle
>>521058453I accept your concession :)
I was just theorycrafting guysIt was just meant to be a hypotheticalPlease don't yell and fight and hate each other ;____;
>>521058842i accept you being retarded :)
>>521059108you lost
>y-you lost
>>521057234or you could just buy colossus and have all the health you'll ever need without having to pray for last hits on heroes
>>521066319Or I can buy siphon bullets and steal hp from my enemies.
>>521067813And 10 kills later you'll still have less bonus health than a guy who bought colossus.
>>521069635never mind colossus fucking fortitude
>>521013620>solo lanes sucked ass>valve could rework it to make it more engaging>creep aggro/behavior changes, new creeps, alternative objectives for laning phase to promote more engagementThey actually did try these things, but it didn't work well in experimental build. Basically all of Q4 2024 was spent trying to find ways to make solo lanes fun without causing abusable strats like soaking or freezing. They've even tried the alt objectives (bridge buffs was the end result) and new creeps, and dataminers found these things thinking it's future content.Quite literally the player count dropped because they wasted so much time trying to make 4 lanes work, and they ended up playing a fruitless game of cat and mouse with the balance until itemization became obtuse and every hero had their knives nerfed into safety scissors. Btw, don't think of 4 lanes as being scrapped, think of it more as "shelved until further notice." > t. Insider larpfag
>>521042630Itemization does not always help stop a fed hero because it delays your power spikes and their soul advantage is usually enough to shrug the effects off. Itemization is used to shut starved heroes down, not stop fed heroes. The issue with Lash is that he can snowball hard in the early/midgame before anyone has the scratch to just piss away souls on the T3/T4 items that counter him.Proper itemization is proactive, not reactive. You buy these items when you're ahead/equal to prevent them from closing the gap. You don't buy fucking knockdown when a hero is +12k because 1-2 seconds of stun doesn't mean shit if you don't have the power to actually kill them.
who
>>521074962Ivy
>>521074962Tbh if gun damage wasn't the second highest, I'd think it was Viscous. People think that the proper way to play melee viscous is to hit them with puddle punch, but that ability is too slow and janky to be reliable. What you really should be doing is using puddle punch to rocket jump over to them and punch them yourself.
>>521075052>>521075502
>>521075656I was close. They have the same animation rig.
>>521075656How on Earth is a Kelvin doing so much melee damage with absolutely no stun? The fuck
>>521075814Kelvin's a great close range brawler. The hitbox on his gun is huge, his grenade heals himself, and his ice dome is the thunder dome.
>>521075814im putting them in the domechucking alc fire on the floori have hunters aura and bullet resist shredderetc
>>521075814>>521076152
Deadlock? More like Dedgame, amirite!??LMAO
>>521076842yeah...but i like it
>>521076363>>521076040>>521076152The problem with this strategy is an ability every hero in the game has that can stun you and make you more vulnerable to damage everytime you do these slow as fuck attacks. Are you dosing the servers so they can't parry on time or what?
>>521077023some people dont parry at all because they are too busy shitting themselvespunch them to deathsome people get baited by a fake punch every timepunch them to deathsome people eat the first one try to parry the secondpunch them to deathsome people parry heavies but eat light melees all dayi try to remember what each player on the enemy team does and fuck with their head
>>521077023>>521077226forgot my favoritehmc fake punches to bait parrythose are fun
yes hellohow the fuck am i supposed to build paradoxthank ui like to go for veilwalker and kevlar because her ult is up every 20 seconds but maybe I should go a HP lifesteal build???
>>521080074use wanders build
Valve should be bullied into making singleplayer games and singleplayer games alone.
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>>521082435
the only draglock is how long the content update is taking
>>521024973it's going to be 3k he said
Had a Geist in my team who only soul exchanged once, looked in the replay and he didn't have quick cast enabled, you'd think he would turn it on after dying 14 times walking straight towards people
>>521103489i dont have quickcast for anything and im phantom
>>521076152>>521077226Incredibly based gameplay. Please publish this build and call it Kelvin's Thunderdome
>>521056965> Slowing Bullets feels really good but I feel like you would rather nova and booster up Consider running melee lifesteal instead of slowing bullets, and then later upgrading to life strike for that hilariously strong movement slow effect.
what shit mmr are you guys in that you don't get constantly punished for heavy melee
>>521116525emissary GODS itt
>>521116525Ascendant. There's so much mindgames in high mmr that spamming heavy melee like a retard mindfucks them.
When is this game releasing? I'm not posting my 20 year old steam profile here.
Why won't/don't they add a casual and ranked mode? I get there aren't that many players playing, but it would more than likely solve many match making issues they have. Two big "play ranked" and "play casual" buttons on the main menu? How hard can that be?
>>5211241832 more years.
When are we sending Yoshi/Icefraud to the shadow realm?
>>521124340That would make things worse. Problem is that players with restrictions would be barred from playing comp for obvious reasons, but that just made casual a fucking cesspit.
Is my reference frame fucked by picrel, or is it a lot harder to make coherent builds than before? I took a long break from this game, and it's been painful to come back because it feels like I need to optimize the fuck out of my build or suffer dearly. I've noticed that all the builds for most heroes have become homogeonized, compared to when people managed to make a variety of goofy shit like Support Abrams work somehow.Itemization feels so bad for Viscous now. He relies on so many different items and upgrades that he becomes outscaled as soon as he comes online. I think this is the biggest issue the game has right now; it's impossible to tell if you're building right/wrong, and guides for itemization are either quickly outdated or they require 30-45 fucking minutes to explain shit. Try roping a casual friend into this game when you can't just tell them to pick a public build (the majority are trash), and you can't explain how to itemize in less than a minute.
>>521129736>I've noticed that all the builds for most heroes have become homogeonized, compared to when people managed to make a variety of goofy shit like Support Abrams work somehow.Some of that has been balance changes, but most of it is people getting over the honeymoon phase and learning the hard math on itemizing. It happens to every competitive game like this. It doesn't mean more creative builds don't work, but once everyone gets on the same page of optimization, then the skill gap needs to be more pronounced to enable playing with such builds.
>>521132425I don't think it can simply be explained by honeymoon phase; there's definitely less variety with builds. If you look at the patch notes, just about everything has been nerfed, be it healing, ability range, move slows, etc. It's not the result of the players becoming too sweaty, it's that the impact of optimization has become more pronounced due to the majority of items becoming useless depending on your hero. I don't know what the solution is since letting every item have an impact led to issues with extremely broken builds, but this current approach to item balance is just not fun. I don't like having to check the post-match results to analyze if lifesteal was actually worth a damn for me. I should be able to feel the impact in the middle of a match.
>>521133610Some streamer claimed they were testing 2 item slots for each category in the experimental build so that item choices are more impactful and power levels peak earlier.
>>521133835Honestly? That could work. Issue is that it could alienate the dotards, and that kind of publicity might scare away prospective players.2 item slots does feel like it's too far, though. I wonder if they already tried 3 items
>>521132425I personally think item price is the problem. Too much of the fun and interesting items are too highly priced. You actually just can't get to use them most of the time unless you rush them because otherwise they only come into play late game. Buying multiple tier 3 and 4 items takes a massive investment and unless you are mega farming you probably aren't going to be getting those items until late game. In which case the game will more than likely end soon regardless. I'm not saying I got the answers but if stuff like vampiric burst wasn't 6k many more people would use it. Either they need to make many more items that are different and do different "game changing" things, or they need to make many of them cost much less.
>>521136129There are definitely more items I think should land in 3.5, like they're a 3k upgrade off a 1.25k instead of a 6k.
>>521136416monster rounds>>>tesla bulletsCombine the two effects and you have a very useful item to gain early and at the same time it does not cost as much as Ricochet.
Ideas to make this game more kino, Anons?> Make sliding give you crit damage against airborne opponents
>>521145458> Give Bebop's bombs self-damage and knockback so he can grenade jump at a painful cost, there's more fun counterplay, and so he can do sick combos> Knockdown Alt Cast: Stun yourself, idiot. > Superior Stamina reduces air drag> Make alt fires properly fucking scale so they're not useless after laning> Make shiv hold a hand mirror while sliding so he can see behind himself and also check out his sick hairdo> Make heavy melee ground airborne opponents like phantom strike does on hit
Looks like I'm gonna drop down to Ritualist this weekend, what should I drink to celebrate?
>>521149375vodka and come join me in green rank
>>521149601think I'd have to drink hand sanitizer to drop to green rank, sorry bro
>>521148012You know what? All of these ideas are fucking retarded and awful, except for the alt fire. Hey Yoshit, hire this man. I want to see how ungodly this game can become with changes like this.
I haven't played the game in 4-5 months and I used to play bebop because he was really fun to play despite being kinda dogshit outside of his combo. Did they changed him since then?
>>521151324He gets balance changes every other patch and nobody is ever happy about it. It's like Bebop is unfun for both the user and the opponent.
>>521151538yeah
>>521151709>>521151538Oops, wrong reply
>>521151731Anything substantial or is it just the classic number tweak so insignificant, they might as well not exist.>>521151709Ah so they're still doing dumb shit like back when they went full retard with the 20% stack loss on death and change it to even more random shit 3 days later because we have no idea what to do. Some things don't change I guess. Is Warden still turbo cancer to play against?
>>521151538>>521152124they haven't done a sweeping balance patch since november, and have only touched outlier heroes (mostly the 4 they added in january), bebop has barely changedi think the new map is better for him though
>>521152267Geez, sounds like the game is almost abandoned or something.
>>521152394they mentioned that the 2-week patches last year were killing progress towards actually shipping the game and switched to releasing content "when it's ready"hopoo mentioned he had some really cool stuff that he can't wait to show everyone, but they went on vacation now so we are in another content drought
>>521152734I've heard various rumors about extra movement changes being in the works, and 2 item slots per category. Idk about the credibility of those rumors, but I think they'd be a step in the right direction. At the risk of sounding like a faggot, this game is a bit too high-skill to maintain a healthy playerbase. It's unapproachable for people who go outside because of how much knowledge you have to learn.
>>521153492they shipped a small patch last friday that made walljumping work with any directional input and fixed unintentional mantling, so that might have been the movement rumor
>>521153826> fixed unintentional mantlingThank. Fucking. God. I know tons of people who complained about that in the forums. What took them so long?I wouldn't be surprised if there were more changes in the works tho.
Siphon + Ricochet Wraith.
>>521151538>shallow god still pushing the "bebop is bad" memeSwallow rod
>>521042446a consistent thought pattern of bad players in EVERY game is to get scared when they get bursted and run away trying to survive, so characters that frontload their damage like lash absolutely exploit this common pussified nature of gamersyou dont need to build to beat lash, lash has a terrible laning phase and if you know how to position you cant even get ulted if you have at least one common meta item(warp stone, eshift, etc.)
>"TODAY I will play some Holliday!">cube cucker Viscous on the other team>he knows what he's doing>our Dynamo is fucking terrified of ulting
>>521168782>try mcginnis again>lane going fine just defending and getting a couple kills>realize the yellow lane lost hard feeding the enemies infernus and warden>shiv says he's learning the character>can do nothing now as the infernus snowballed hard>anyone that sees him just dies and we losefucking uuuggghhh
Game is still dead right? Haze has a 80%+ pickrate still and farm stealing hasn't been removed?
anyone trans wanna stack get in touch oomfyhttps://steamcommunity.com/id/sadrot/
>>521170763Haze is grief pick now lmao
>>521172013kys
>>521172245So she's picked in fewer then 80% of the games, right? She's been an auto-lock since release and I honestly never expected her pickrate to get lower because of the devs.In other games having a pick rate higher then 55% would ring alarm bells. I'd blame the small amount of characters but that's still a serious issue. Not sure if that's fair though, seeing as how other characters have a pickrate of like 50%.
>>521174058Nah, I'd put it as Haze being one of the easier characters, explains why she'd get a high pick rate.
>>521174058Pickrate is an arbitrary stat because this game has no drafting system, it only shows popularity of a hero. For most of the time I've been playing (since July last year) Haze has been an easily countered and weak hero, only ever being successful if the enemy team refused to buy key items to counter her. That only changed when her ultimate began to scale off of two damage types that can't be countered simultaneously. She's back to that previous state so she's only gone back to where she came from.
>>521174216>wordsI had to look it up myself because you people aren't humans. Haze has a 70%+ pickrate now, down about 10-15% since last I checked. Lash is now at a 90% pickrate. Most other characters sit around 60 although a few are as low as 40%+fucking insane. You literally will never see a game without these two characters. god damn. No wonder the game is dead, that shit would get exhausting after a week let alone multiple years.
>>521174392>>wordsGod forbid people use words on a post right?
>>521174484seething wordfag
>>521178824>words
How often are you guys playing in laggy servers? I'm USEast and I swear to god I can't remember the last time I played a non-lagging game. I shoot motherfuckers directly and rarely get hits despite being dead on. I get hit by abilities 20ft behind walls, etc. It's ridiculous and makes the game much harder to play and overall less fun. When I'm on a server that actually 'just works' it's night and day difference.
My disgusting gargoyle wife
>>521174392Honestly, the few times I lost against Haze, it's because it's a cheater with aim hacks. If you lose versus a normal Haze, you're just probably bad.
STILL can't break out of oracle V
>>521183003no one ever parries
explain this dotards
>>521192913the funniest part about this match is that I skewed the Amber Hand team MMR lower because I've been on a loss streak but I'm actually ~this rank so even if the teams were meant to be balanced with offset ranks it's fundamentally unbalanced
>>521192913>play mid in this game but still postive k/d with the same damage as my team>next game is literally emissary 5>nobody communicating>highest damage, highest building damage on my team>lose hard, some teammates have half my damageyou literally cannot win in this style of matchmaking unless you're a literal god. You place high initially and it's a steady ride to the bottom.
Ivy, my overnerfed wife...
>>521174392Yoshi adjusted the draft system to always have carries on each team so you don't get assigned a shit team comp. The high pickrate is the end result
It's happening
>>521202554wtf am I looking at
I like how "iTS OnLy AlPha" but also here's weekly tournaments for money, "pro teams", streamers who play for 10 hours a day like it's their entire identity.Also why are all the streamers autistic? You can't watch any of them for more than 3 minutes before hearing the words cooked/UNC/aura, they run in 1v4 and die then yell into their mic about their teams being shit, and then report people at the end of every game.
>>521202554I hate that I can't tell if the bottom left square being a different size means it's fake, or it's valve being valve.
>>521201807disgusting vile pathetic creature
>>521203380she's a hero, don't say that
>>521203429she WAS a heronow she's a ranged trooper with bat wings
what's the difference between talon and dicta?
>>521202554This will fuck over teams with less flex slots even more
>>521203539one's an ugly old indian dude and the other's an ugly old ghost chick
>>521202554WAIT I JUST REALIZED WHAT THAT ISPlease tell me active items are still gonna have their own separate slots PLEASE
>>521204159>ugly>talonholy fag
>>521204410Grey talon looks like both a man and a woman.dude is not attractive
>>521202554>less lanes>less teleporters>less item slotswhat did they mean by this (if true)
>>521202554why he got tf2 in they items
>>521202554dogshitterrible
>>521129736The public builds either feel like bot created slop or ultra specific niche utility builds.A trending build for Vindicta is currently a meme Magic Carpet build. I think that's really based, but imagine being a new player.
Why does no one buy Lucky shot for their gun builds when it's literally the highest DPS and total damage gun item in the game and scales the hardest, especially when paired with crippling headshot? Are people just genuinely retarded and think stacking fire rate means the most damage? I mean for fuck sake we have hud_damagemeter that even proves it but no one cares and everyone sucks
>>521208278i cant aim, brotherI need Titanic Magazine + Burst Fire bare minimum.
>>521204159vindicta is forever prime aged specimen
>>521202554So secret test client for selected Eternus players is real
>>521210887>selected Eternus players>they are all ex-overwatch pros>game is becoming less and less moba and more babby retard hero shooterimagine my shock
>>521212889More Dota than Overwatch honestly. My guess is they will have more of the basic items build into late game items and rebalance the cost.
>>521213130i suppose more accurately i should say complexityhaving more items build into others is fineless slots is just making the game less complex and interestingsame with one less laneand no side tp's
>>521202554If this becomes real then the characters that require mandatory knockdowns and ethereal shits would be completely insufferable to play against.
>>521208278Who the fuck has the souls budget to fit that piece of shit in?
>>521216369Maybe stop buying stupid bullshit like Magic Carpet in your gun builds. I have lucky shot done by 20k souls, complete with all my vitality items. The fact people still can't figure out multipliers is embarassing
>>521217950Hmmmm, no, I will keep buying magic carpet on Calico and shooting ancients a bit and flying away in cat form at the smallest hint of danger.
>>521217950>NOOOO STAND STILL AND LET ME GET VALUE OUT OF LUCKY SHIT!!!
magic carpet should be more difficult to turn but allow you to use it with channeling abilities like bebop laser or mcginnis barrage
Draglock status?
>>521210887While the private test branch is real, the 6 item leak is not.
>>521243683>>521234512taking it upon yourself to save the thread not once but twice, sad. let it die, loser
keep boomping
>>521164935Well I don't know if he's bad now, but back when I was playing, he was good at being a noob stomper or with an ambush playstyle with shadow weave, but aside from that, he had zero mobility, zero healing, a massive hitbox and his bombs didn't deploy half of the time.
>>521247797he wasnt, bebop players were just among the most trash and didnt know how to play the character well
>>521248116I used to play it with a gun build, hook someone, uppercut while aiming at the air and abuse the big weapon damage boost you get to kill the enemy since they're movement locked. Double bomb was a meme but it didn't really worked on higher ranks and ult build was... Meh.
>>521248903and you still coped about the strength of your character while he carried the fuck out of you
>>521249280I mean, I thought he was pretty bad and had a lot of unfavorable matchups compared to the other characters, but the playstyle was funny, that's why I played him. Throwing enemies into your tower during the laning phase and seeing them rage about it was hilarious.
>>521214767Those concerns have already been brought up and considered. The items and balance will be adjusted with that in mind, and they're also considering on making abilities more interactive in the future, since buying knockdown, eth shift, etc just isn't fun.
>>521254584now i know you're full of shit
>>521212889Eternus players aren't used to test fun, they're used to test balance because they're quick to figure things out. They're trying to make this game easier to pick up for people who have lives, because all that's left is sweaty ex-pros and compfags sending feedback that they want the game to be sweatier. As much as everyone likes niche games, the bottom line is this game needs to make money for Valve to give a fuck about developing it, and that needs a healthy playerbase.
>>521243683>>521254889There's actually multiple secret branches depending on what players they're looking for (and also maybe to plug leaks). It's what they call focus group testing. The branch that everyone knows about with the Eternus compfags is the one where they considered on the incredibly retarded idea of adding back Soul Rebirth back in October.
This is fine :)
>>521266231yep
>521202554Fake & gay
>>521266231Collapsing house
>>520624453I think Valve fans are too self centered to believe anyone WANTS to make a Deadlock clone. As of yet it is an "unproven" game so the AAA industry is simply not paying attention to it.In short, nah, probably not.>>520627604While Riot expects LoL to die at some point, their big bet is probably their MMO. I think they're done with the Valve copycat era and are now more interested in ripping off WoW.
>>521257579I wonder if they even have enough trustworthy players to have that many simultaneous secret branches, I kinda doubt it. I think it's mostly as simple as> closed alpha branch (us)> closed alpha preview (high mmr cool kids and ecelebs)> internal ValveLike, if you're working with ecelebs and comp players, that's a common point of failure for leaks as is. I'd imagine if the closed playtests were any larger we'd see way more in the way of leaks.If I had to guess, to get consistent players in such a private branch, there's probably like a few hundred players with access?
>>521281271I think the ginormous short-lived player spike proved that the idea of a moba shooter has some credibility, but I doubt any smart game dev would risk taking the plunge on unexplored grounds. You'll probably see a bunch of shit clones if deadlock is successful, since you'd need developers that know what the fuck they're doing for both shooters and mobas, and you'd need an engine where movement actually feels good (long live Quake). Not many game dev studios fit that bill, considering the high turnover of the industry bleeding talent.
>>521281843There's two branches for the preview, but they overlap; they open and close new ones as needed. You hit the nail on the head for everything else. It's not actually a cool kids club of Ecelebs, but there are a few Ecelebs that are in because they're actually respectable (fuck off Metro). However, the rest is mostly trusted friends of valve employees, their trusted friends (usual leak vector), employees themselves, and some high mmr crackheads because they're really good at breaking the game.
>>521202554This shit is retarded, I'm fine if it's a new game mode like ARAM or Turbo, but not in normal games.
>>521283834I have reason to doubt it will make it into public, or it'll at least be a while before it drops. Reception is mixed, but everyone seems to understand the direction. It feels pretty much the same as 4 items, but with less theorycrafting headache. Turns out, a lot of the items in the public build are just clutter. Makes it harder to understand if someone's saying your build sucks because you're not cumming +2% harder, or if it's actually because you suckered yourself into using Linepro.
>>521071189don't delude yourself, the playerbase dropped because it's a moba trying to survive in 2024-5 at it's core. an unfinished one at that with no battlepass dogshit to trick your brain into keep playingthis was always going to be the result no matter what
good time to come back?
>>521287886yes
>>521287137It's nothing to do with the fact that it's a moba, the playerbase dropped because the game sucks and is a combination of all the sweatiest genres known to man. This game is the essence of sweating your balls off. Nobody has the energy for that unless if you're caught in this godawful wave of unemployment.
A notable furry porn artist got access to the private deadlock build while numerous pro players and eternus players still lack access because they live in EU. Keep this in mind if you hear any copium about the future looking bright for this game.
>>521291285>A notable furry porn artist got access to the private deadlock buildproof?
>>521289238>he playerbase dropped because the game sucks and is a combination of all the sweatiest genres known to man. This game is the essence of sweating your balls off. Nobody has the energy for that unless if you're caught in this godawful wave of unemployment.so in other words the playerbase imploded because it's a fucking moba
>>521289238>This game is the essence of sweating your balls off. Nobody has the energy for that unless if you're caught in this godawful wave of unemployment.true&real. I just want to chill, not compete, but everybody wants to pretend they're placing for TI or going to become the next shroud.
>>521291685>but everybody wants to pretend they're placing for TI or going to become the next shroud.You have to because it's a moba. You can't fuck around like it's tf2 or halo or cod and just come back later, you'll fall behind and be unable to play the game if you goof off.
>>521291506NTA, I can confirm, but no proof. My only proof is my lack of shame.>>521291285> while numerous pro players and Eternus players still lack access because they live in EUBeing Eternus/Pro does not guarantee access. You also need to:> Not be a fucking pissbaby, which discounts 90% of EU players.> Know how to keep your fucking mouth shut> Be a type of player that Valve is looking for, be it maining a certain hero, or being really good at breaking the gameYou don't come to valve looking for access. Don't fucking bother them, you know who you are. They come to you if they need you.
>>521292537>My only proof is my lack of shame.lmao? shitposterbros you can do better than this
>larping leaker admits to being a porn addict while trying to dunk on EUbvllsHow embarassing!
>>521292924We've all got our vices. You wouldn't want me exposing your collection of cuck porn, unless if that also tickles your pickle.
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199145316220/Invite this oldfag plos Also roll for trips
>>521293221>ermm very popular porn artist got access before pros did!!!>"Where is your proof?">just trust me bro...>>>>can't even do something as simple as a twitter handlejesus how sad
>>521293796Did I say I have no shame? Lemme rephrase that: I have shame. I'm not sharing my collection.
>>521293901I accept your concession, bro.
>>521294126I know your game, buddy. You're also a dirty furry porn addict and you're trying to trick me into adding to your spank bank.
>>521293193it's one of the most embarrassing trolling attempts i've seen in a long time
>>521292318I took long breaks from dota/hon/lol and still came back and played at the top level. but yes it is hard to get back into the flow because people usually slowly integrate new tech over time, and you have time to adapt to each trick instead of being shoved into the deep end of the pool. like last I played people were using this charged punch trick to climb walls, I can only imagine what other tech is there now. >>521287886
is it still impossible to last hit souls on high ping?
>>521301190souls got their lag comp buffed again, yes.
>>521255878>want the game to be sweatier.good.>As much as everyone likes niche games, the bottom line is this game needs to make money for Valve to give a fuck about developing it, and that needs a healthy playerbase.if valve wanted to make a "popular" and "monetarily viable" game in current yearthey shouldnt have made a MOBAMOBA's have the illusion of being popularall the currently "popular" MOBA's just have playerbases of aging addicts
>take rejuv>pushing>enemy lash tries to ult 4 of us>save everyone with quantum entanglement>proceed to get a 4man singularity>entire team compliments me>enemy abrams gives me compliments toodynamo might just be the best hero for farming dopamine.
>>521257579bullshit they wouldn't have enough players to vacillate multiple groups
>>521287886hey thats my birthday!
Have they improved the feel of shooting in this game or added more interesting weapons? I remember playing it months ago and every gun I tried felt a little boring and limp
Why do they design some characters to just be good at every single thing? Bebop for example, IMO, can just do anything and everything. Has great range on all abilities, is extremely fast, has a ridiculously OP hook with a generous hitbox, very useful ultimate that heals him the entire time he uses it, ridiculous burst damage and sustain, undodgeable (at times) damage/attacks unless you buy specific items or use skills to dodge them (which just leaves you vulnerable to his other bullshit 1 second after using it), has moves that literally cancel out your movement. I mean, seriously, who the fuck designs this bullshit? You have some characters who can't even do 1/4th what he can do and yet he's never nerfed or changed. When your best option to fight him is "stay as far away as possible" it's just boring as fuck and not interesting in any way. "Don't get hit" isn't an answer because it just isn't, you can't have a 100% success rate of not getting into fights with him (or any character).
>>521317149bebop can only do most of those things if his hook connects, if it doesnt he isn't very strong. it's why his winrate is below 50% and why you're retarded.
>>521317316that's why he's perma picked in pro and every single high elo player complains about him?sorry you're a dogshit greenie and you can't pilot bebop, that doesn't mean he isn't cancer OP.
>>521317742>Uhh actually I'm good and not retardedsorry bro, you're retarded and that's that.
>>521317316He does not need his hook at all to do alot of those things. His speed is extremely high and he can literally W at you and bomb your ass for hundreds of damage. Nearly always will have echo shard too so he can either: reuse his hook if he misses allowing for a greater range of successful hooks to start his ridiculous damage combos, or double bomb your ass off. Not only does he have great speed he can have as much stamina as anyone and even more than other characters who have no chance of escape or only start with 2 stamina. His laser is also very very good, massive ammo pool, extremely long range, high DPS and ZERO travel time so you are just eating damage the entire time you are also getting bursted. Not even to mention the fact once hooked his teammates who are nearby will descend on your ass and hit you too.Game would actually just be straight up better if he was wholesale removed from the game. Lash too, fuck Lash.
>>521318112Only his sprint speed is high, you know you can slow him down by just attacking him lil tard bro.
>>521318080archonbro...
>>521318298Initiate 1 bro...
paladins > deadlock
Monday Night Combat > Paladins
Halo > Deadlock
>>521318112I think Lash still feels fair to fight against. Bebop is still really cheap.Dodging his grapple makes sense- up until you're in a match with >100 ping and you lose a huge amount of reaction time. I agree his Echo Shard builds are too versatile close or long range. Bebop mains that are trying to argue he's fair and balanced didn't see what an actual low win rate character looks like.
>>521321017they're dogshit at the character and just assume he's shit because they're shit.happens in every game.
Bebop's fine"he beat me this one time, nerf now" is not an argument
>>521322753He hooked me because I didn't dodge, he also ran up and stuck a bomb on me because I'm retarded and didn't hang further back so he should be removed from the game I hate him I hate him
What's the earliest midboss you've ever seen? I don't think I've ever seen it killed sooner than 20 minutes, why does it even spawn 10 mins in
>>521323535When we had 4 lanes you could do a sneaky early midboss with McGinnis if you bought heroic aura.
>>521322753you're shit, bro.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmLuOrj6NWI&ab_channel=MetroDeadlockmetro has bebop as top fucking 3Deathy and his friend both said Bebop was disgustingly designed YOU'RE the shitter, retard.get out of Archon with your cancer OP hero and maybe ANYONE on this planet will listen to you.
>>521323950Who and who?
>>521324068high eternus players, absolutely 10x the player you are if you're calling Bebop "fine", dogshit animal.
>>521323950>b-b-but strimmer said...!You're still wrong sorryBebop's fine
>>521324129>eceleb dickriderOpinion discarded
>>521324147>>521324224Hmm I wonder whos probably right about the character...>top of the top high elo streamersOR>random dogshit wheelchair low shitters who can't get out of Archon on bebopI just don't know...I accept your concession :)
>>521324254And I don't need to wonder who's wrong about the characterIt's you, who can't handle him
>I know more than the Eternus players on the strength of the characters actuallyDunning Kruger effect in full swing, jesus
>please dox yourself to make your opinion validno lol, learn how to play against bebop and stop crying.
>>521324475You're low elo, you are pretending to know more than people 10x your skill level as a way of coping that you aren't rancid dogshit at your cancer broken hero.LMFAO, I accept your concession, maybe actually not be dogshit and you won't be hard stuck archon on one of the strongest heros in this game
>didn't you guys hear me? I SAID STRIMMER SAID YOU'RE WRONGSorry, still don't care.
Dude is seething hard that he can't handle bebop lmao
>>521324620>>521324625unironically explain why anyone should listen to you when you say bebop is fine when all high elo players disagree.explain why anyone should think your opinion is more valid than top tier players.go ahead>inb4 no actual argument
Btw by "all" high elo players I just mean a few of them, ignore all the ones that don't cry about bebop.
>>521327924>no argumentfigured as muchI accept your concession :)
>>521328096Too late, I already accepted your concession.
>>521293706Do you still need it? I can pass you the invitation
>>521322753>>521322919You have Haze players resorting to borderline troll builds like going full spirit melee in higher MMR, meanwhile Bebop mains trying to argue that the character is actually fair, and even underpowered (lmao)Bebop's just good at everything, worsened by his early lane stomps.
>>521331904Every hero is good compared to haze except McGinnis so your point is moot
Beboptards will go through an entire marathon of mental gymnastics to cope about their OP character.
As if you didn't just do that with your retarded haze comparison
>everyone is the same posteruh oh, beboptard melty!!!
>it wasn't me I swearlmao, the cope
>>521332113Okay, that part is fair.Still, while I don't think he's the most broken character, I think "just git gud" isn't a valid complaint when you see how versatile he is compared to the rest of the cast, in a game where everyone is basically a frontline DPS.Bebop's early laning is so good that they needed to roll back their soul bubble spawning rework just because he would otherwise break the game. Then you have how his Echo Shard can consistently be used long or short range.>fight in long rangeHe has two grapples and a laser beam ult. Also weapon damage fall off kicks in if that's your composition. Soft CC doesn't affect his ult meaningfully.>fight in close rangeHe has an upper cut and two bombs that require zero aim. Soft CC is also useless as the moment it ends he can input the true combo with a near 100% success rate.What you want to do is stay in medium range where you can out DPS check him, hit him with hard CC, then follow up and nuke him in close range. Am I over complicating it? It feels like it's so much easier for Bebop to stick to his old reliable than it is for anyone to actually 1v1 him.
>>521313104they're actually removing interesting weapons next patch by giving mo a grenade launcher instead of his auto shotty
>>521339679What's so interesting about a shotgun that just shoots faster?
>they're removing interesting shit by getting rid of a braindead generic shotgun and replacing it with a unique grenade launcherhow many droolers are in this general
>>521339752t. nigga who's never played l4dmo's shotty wasn't all that unique but it was the only actual FAST shotgun in the game. Now the closest you'll get is pocket's which is still pretty slow (at least at the start), meaning you've essentially removed an unique gun from the game instead of say, changing Kelvin's gun or maybe actually adding a new hero that's based on explosives rather than trying to rework every single element in mo's kit besides the part people actually complain about (the ult and tankiness)i don't even play him btw i'm a lashchad
>>521339838>unique>grenade launchernot only we've got other guns with a secondary fire that's basically that but the last fucking thing this game needs is even MORE AOE spam bullshit, certainly not on a character like Mo. He's gonna have what, 3 out of his 5 ways of engaging with the enemy be that now? I forget if they're removing pocket sand or what they're changing it with
>>521340446>FAST shotgun in the game.Mo niggers literally don't even play the game.Calico exists.
Can you deliver urn if you kelvin ult the spot?
>>521340761ngl i forgot she even existed cause her guns barely do a sound 90% of the time
>>521340446have you played the game in the last 3 months?
>>521342569given he forgot Calico (fucking Calico) of all fucking characters existed, probably not.
>>521342569yeahit's pretty bad
>>521293901Buddy, nobody is asking you to screencap your diaperfur folder so we can see how many gigs you've got saved, you claim a furry artist is talking about access to the deadlock test branch and we want to know how you know that.There are ways of proving that which don't involve you explicitly posting what sick shit you're into, unless said artist is fucking drawing their work around screen caps of said branch.
>>521346913he's a lying retard, that's why.
>Me and lane partner are 5 0 and dominating our lane>>>>>Other lanes are too busy getting ass raped>a Dynamo Geist lane LOST to Infernus and Mo and Krill>Calico and Paradox keep fighting a Seven and Warden with ults>diesSeriously, how do you even win with these kinds of players. I genuinely cannot understand how retarded you have to be to play like absolute dogshit. The Dynamo didn't even have green items against Infernus. I just don't understand.
>>521340609Pocket sand is sticking around but they're changing the range and upgrade tiers around a bit.
>>521347178Me good team bad
is it better to build for stats or for movement
>>521348913It depends
>>521349274no it doesn'tanswer the fucking question retard
Me oogaTeam booga
when are they fixing the shit netcode and 12 tick replay system? no1 cares about the shitty small chatGPT numbers change patch they're shipping next week
>>521346913>>521347002I will say that of all the larpers here that are pretending to be insiders, only one of them isn't full of shit, and the actual insider also likes to troll. Take everything you read here with a huge grain of salt.Even if this furry artist shit was true, nobody would reveal who it is because there's less than a thousand people in the experimental build, and that could cause trouble like retards begging them for leaks/access. The build is closed doors for a reason, if you know someone that's in, don't put them in a tight spot with pestering.
>>521266231*smoke alarm chirps*
went from oracle 4 to archon 4 back to oracle 4the entire time was playing with and against the same playerseven eternus players occasionally (even when archon)whats fucking going on
>>521359208The MMR system is stuck in a state of "resonance" for a lack of better words due to high player flux.Simple words: matchmaking broke because players leaving, making more players leave
just lost a match because a turkish guy and a kazakhstani guy were calling eachother subhumans + wolf raper and horse raper respectivelythe joys of eu
>>521365568EU server classic.It's a guessing game of which 2 countries get into shouting matches first.
>>521360302>stuck in a state of "resonance"what
>play in high elo>enemy dynamo had a bad game previous game>oh that dynamo sucks this is a free win>the enemy dynamo lands 3 teamfight winning ults in a rowI hate this fucking community man
>>521366485he's referring to this
>posted 7 days ago>500 responsesI seriously hope Valve pays you good money to keep this dead shit afloat
>>521382257there's some desperate autist that seems to have some sort of alarm system to alert him when the thread is on page ten, it's really sad
>>521366485It's a fancy word for "feedback loop that keeps getting worse"
>>521387089God forbid things other than low quality mobile cashgrabs get discussed on /vg/
>queue up for a single game>on lane with pocket vs vindicta/viscous>they're bad>pocket runs in 2v1 5 times right off the zipline and gets his shit pushed in>"WTF BRO HELP ME">some other retard feeds the enemy calico>somehow this is considered oracle 3 matchjust let this game die already wtf is this shit
hazebros, did we lose?
>>521391781Yeah but anyone playing Deadlock won. I'd rather another year of Lash in every game than another week of Haze in every game getting fed by that one retard refusing to buy a single active item that would make the Haze deal 0 ( ZERO ) damage to him
>>521392842but metal skin didn't counter hybrid ult haze
>>521392917Thankfully that was removed Anonymous (warp stone also does the same thing against that shit anyway [ they also did not buy that ] :) )
>>521393036>warp stone out of haze ult>she warp stones after you
>>521393241>Haze using warp stone and not phantom strikeBro...
I give this game a chance like once a week and its tedious to play every time while at the same time still lacking hype moments
since the only devs working on this game are the dumb trans nigger furries at valve, this game will never have:>non-chat GPT matchmaking>an okay netcode>a working replay system>a proper anti-cheat>fun to play heroes that aren't nerfed to the ground the second a discord cohort tranny faggot complains about it>a game that's gratifying for normal people to play, and not targeted at the 0.01% of players (trannies, furries, niggers).wcyd
>>521395502> dumb trans nigger furries at valveBe nice to Hopoo and his team. The rest of the deadlock team is a mixture of Dotards and old Quakeheads.
Sovl
>>521401678It's been almost a year now and the game looks exactly the same.
>>521402503we will get a new hero model once a year, by 2055 the game will be complete
>>521402503>>521402503I don't know what you're talking about, my game has improved a lot.
>win multiple matches above my rank>don't rank up>lose 3 matches at my rank>rank downLovely game volvo
Why do people care about rank in an alpha playtest?
>>521411946mental illness
>hours >rank>most used heroes>Gun, Spirit or Hybrid?
I press 4 I win games
Genuinely can not understand how people think Lash is balanced in any way. His 1 and 4 are easily the most ridiculously OP abilities in the game. The stomp does insane fucking damage, knocks you up so you are hard forced to not be able to move/dodge/do anything except eat even more damage. It's also very fast and not easily dodged. Keeps you in place for all his teammates to gape your hole if you even managed to survive his 4-1 anyway. His 4 is so fucking dumb too, nearly undodgeable in all aspects; you have maybe 1/2 of a second to dodge out of the way (you won't) or else you are grabbed and thrown. Nearly always thrown into a massively disadvantageous spot (under a Walker = guaranteed stun), will 100% be hit with his 1 right after which combines for an easy 900+ damage nearly every single time. And he can just 3 you to recover a massive amount of health if he even takes a scratch.Call me a noob, idgaf, fuck this gay as fuck character, get him out of the game. I see no way to play around this nigger. You can not have vision of him 100% of the time, you can not react dodge his ult because it is too fast and has insane range and he can just refresher it or mystic reverb his 1 which is blow you the fuck up. Yeah, I'm malding; anti-fun enemy to the extreme
>>521417213>hours220>rankalchemist :/>most used heroesdeshonest & no funny>Gun, Spirit or Hybrid?Hybrid
>>521422283same stuff except for alchemist but just a few more state mandated losses and I'll join you
>>521422116lash is genuinely a bottom 5 hero and his counterplay hasnt changed in the entire year the game has existed
>>521422116Lash is the most honest character in the game and you genuinely suck, sorry.
>lash>honest
>>521348913you just need extra stamina for movement. the best items have both, like fortitude.
people comparing haze being playable for a patch (still c tier) to lash being S tier omnipresent for months just goes to show that haze derangement syndrome still runs terminal in /dlg/.
>>521417213500+peaked phantomhaze by a wide margingun
>>521422116grey talon can consistently do 1k+ damage from his 1 and thats across the map and he gets 4 charges of it. dynamo can do the same thing lash does but again gets extra charges of it and doesn't need any kind of height to do tons of damage. >it is too fast and has insane rangeif you played lash for even a minute on practice range you would realize how ridiculous you soundlash isn't as weak as people here say but he is not nearly as good as you make him out to be
>>521422116https://streamable.com/316dlwhe's so strong especially when you have shit to throw people into
lash downplaying faggots are some of the most delulu people on the planet. i respect calicoshitters more at this point. they're the new paradoxnigger.
nice matchmaking
Unless they early release some other kind of mode that isn't autistic farming of NPCs for 20 minutes, I don't see these player numbers improving until they actually release.
>>521402503it looks better, but the models need to be updated
>>521401678>anons repost my webm
>>521441809>lashshitter managed to feed while playing their easy mode crutch champ>this is somehow the matchmakers fault
>the negroposter still lurks heregrim
so when is the next map art pass? outer lanes still looks empty and unfinished. needs more billboards and trashcans.
>>521444505i think it is pretty telling that it's the matchmaking's fault when I'm building full on punch lash and somehow a team of archons beats one of fucking phantoms>>521447127they took a year to get ONE (1) new art pass for a hero model implemented into the game. if you check their progress on the map for that, they took literal months to model a single building.do not expect anything that requires new models to come at anything reseembling a decent pace.
Does reducing someone's healing effectiveness reduce the healing they deal, or the healing they receive?The tooltip says>Percentage modification to the effectiveness of your healing abilitiesso I'm a little confused
>>521431689God I love HazePeak design in deadlock
>>521417213100 somethingEmissary but that's only due to the fact I had other MOBA knowledge coming inmy most picked are in this order Ivy>Abrams>Shiv>Kelvinluv me gun builds but my shitty little PC can't handle 6v6 teamfights and I drop to like 40-50 FPS which throws off my aim so I only really go spirit builds now.
>>521448739she's cool as fuck, i really hope they don't touch her AT ALL for the final release aside from the Abrams HD model beam
>won 28 games and lost 5>now on a 4 game loss streakits happening isnt it
>>521417213>hours ~880>rankoracle somethingnot that it matters game currently puts you in random rank lobbiesi was somehow ascendant 3 when there was a dedicated ranked queue>most used heroesspamming kelvin>Gun, Spirit or Hybrid?punch
>>521457769>5th losstime to lose 28 and win 5 haha!
>>521442069which one is supposed to look better?
>>521462389The one that looks better
>>521455367needs a cool particle head
>>521466667agreed, make her more faithful to her loading screen art and we're golden.bad news is she's not going to sell any skins because her base design is too peak and you can't really improve on it.
>>521462503which one is that?
>>521467371Do you have somebody reading out the posts in the thread and typing yours out for you or something?
>>521467867no I don't have a split personality disorder.
>>521422116just spend 3k souls to counter him :)
I am making the following thread
we hit bump limit! im so proud of this dead ass game's community!
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