>Dawn of the Hunt Patch Noteshttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3740562>>[PoE2 News]>Patch 0.2 Dawn of the Hunt [Live April 4th]https://pathofexile2.com/hunt>Patch 0.2 Teasershttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3726160>Patch Noteshttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/2212>>[PoE1 News]>Legacy of Phrecia Eventhttps://www.pathofexile.com/phrecia>Event Extended 1 month - Patch 3.26 set for Junehttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3731967>Patch Noteshttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/patch-notes>>Wikihttps://www.poewiki.nethttps://www.poe2wiki.net>>Game Databasehttps://poedb.twhttps://poe2db.tw>>Ingame Chat Channel/global 1488>Stash Tab Priority (for newfags)https://rentry.co/5e8zgg8kprevious: >>521001839
any list of beast farm spots other than quadrilla? or are all of them too weak to even use
we have changed rares to show up on the minimap at all times.>we have changed rares to show up on the minimap at all times.we have changed rares to show up on the minimap at all times.>we have changed rares to show up on the minimap at all times.we have changed rares to show up on the minimap at all times.>we have changed rares to show up on the minimap at all times.
>Temper Weapon on Smith of Kitava now adds 3 empowerments per strike of your weapon, and is 25% faster. The damage might need to come down a little.
THEY CAVE IN TO REDDIT WHININGhttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3750853
>>521025956>>521026285>>521026371READBleed now goes through ES so getting touched by an enemy with a bleeding attack would instakill anyone with CI now
>>521027113So all low life Ritualists are fucked?
They will never fix the game will they?
>>521027210Nope, we should all go crawling back to blizzard and apologize.
>>521027020Act 3 jungle. Fish for aura bots.
>We have added a support gem called Inhibitor that prevents charges being consumed but increases the damage of the supported skill by 4% for each type of charge you have. Great now I can block one ability from eating them. What about the 5 other abilities I don't want eating them?
Why has it taken over 7 years to make this game?I legitimately am dumbfounded when I think about it.The way Jonathan and Mark talk about PoE2 development is that Act5 let alone 6 seem like they aren't even started and Act 4 still isn't done yet it was shown at last exilecon.PoE2 development started in 2017 as per Erik interview from years ago and updated character model work starting then.I scrounged around various sites and found concept art for things and people hired about to that point.Fromsoftware released Dark Souls III Expansion in 2017They then released Sekiro in 2019They then released Elden Ring in 2022They then released Armored Core 6 in 2023They then released Elden Ring expansion in 2024They have published 3 distinct whole games in the time GGG has been taking to make 1, and arguably each of those games is more content featured than PoE2 is right now.PoE2 only just got it's 3 acts out by then in that time and the game is still missing axes and daggers and most of the shit from poe1I genuinely don't understand any of itDid GGG straight up have half their staff die from covid boosters or something since 2021? Unironically makes no sense.
>>521027375retard
>>521027384>Why has it taken over 7 years to make this game?because chris made it in 4 years, then he got kicked outand jonathan has spent the las 3 years remaking everything chris built
>>521026919>first thread after morning hit in india is back to /poe2g/>literally puts an ad for stash tabs in the opgood morning saar jonathan has your google play card on the way
>>521027162prob need a bleed charm>>521027384their company structure must be a nightmare or something is making them operate really inefficiently
>>521027113>bleeding attack would instakill anyone with CI nowmaybe you should read the line above that>Chaos Innoculation now prevents bleeding.
>>521027572Anon I am literally explaining why they made CI prevent bleeding
why do all the ascendancies fucking suckwhere is the power
Why is ES no longer preventing bleeds a Huntress-specific change?
>>521027020Infested Barrens camp checkpoint, it has two rare beasts beside it, the rolling antlion thing and the boar.I farmed it because I took the dual companion keystone and I can't use a second quadrilla.Quadrilla still seems to be the one of the best ones in terms of movespeed/etc., but if someone knows a better type/farm I'm all ears.
>>521027621
>We have banned 301 accounts that were clearly exploiting this, and they will remain banned until the end of the current league.
why is AP rounds the only fucking potential clear skill for full phys crossbow
>mind over matter>eldritch battery>CI>stacking mana gives you more EHP and more damage with the lich's blackened heartthis sounds kinda busted
>>521027708can't hear you over the sound of my flash grenades
>>521027392>MrZizs wife has a penis or does Ziz have a vagina and take a ton of T pils? Ziz has such a limp wrist lisp it makes my dong do a floppy do in confusion
>>521027749Lich is basically Stormweaver with Chaos damage and I'd be fucking shocked if it's not one of the most common classes on the ladder in a month
>>521027703Even with this change I doubt Spear Assault will be better than basic attacking
>>521027704>they will remain banned until the end of the current league.why not forever?
Is there anywhere that shows the graphics for every spell currently in the game? Youtube just listed some fag channels that abuse tag shittery to show up in every search.
>We are also updating all runes to also apply to Wands and Staves. This work will require adding specific mods for these items. We are unsure if Soul Cores and Talismans will be able to be added at the same time, but it is our intention to attempt to make this change. How fucked is their codebase for them to be unsure if it can be done?
>>521027772i need to break their amour though for high velo
>>521027871The numbers on all those shitty spear skills are too low they literally lose to stab and throw. I don't know how the fuck they let the numbers go live like that.
>>521027910Because they are going to have to come up with specific mods for them without breaking everything like they always do.
>One of the issues that is often reported is getting swarmed by monsters. We are currently doing a pass to investigate this issue and can probably talk about specific changes tomorrow, but the changes are likely to be targeted at specific monsters that are too difficult, especially in zones that have a lot of fast monsters.
>>521028108if they nerf the fucking grelwood wolves i will piss myself laughing
>>521027993you can use the support that breaks armour on heavy stun and get some stun buildup on the tree, not much needed for flash grenade
>>521027898Those ingame skill preview clips probably exist somewhere or maybe you could extract them from the game files. Not quite all skills have them yet but most do.
>>521027181The original intentions were considerably smaller and when they were closing in on finishing it there was an idea to make it a completely separate product in reaction to negativity from poorly implemented poe1 updates to get the game ready for merging.If they stuck to the original goal - making animations better, 3 new ascendancies, new campaign it'd probably be done by now.Instead they're remaking the game and retreading every single mistake poe1 made because none of the designers now have contact with the designers of old.
>>521027384Check GGG’s reviews on Glassdoor that should tell you everything.Mark is still hopeful he can get through the nexus of dicksuckers Johanathan has created. Hrishi and all of the core of PoE1 has already left. I left before the mass exodus but also because its fucking expensive to live in Auckland on GGG salary.t. Ex employee
>>521027284>>521027637what are some of the best auras / abilities you can get from tamed beasts?
>>521028292>Hrishi>core of PoE1gm saar
>>521027704>banned for using a game mechanicniGGGers
>>521028292>t. Ex employeedid jonathan have his own bathroom or did he hog the employee bathroom all day?
how is torchlight infinity?
>>521028380this is why you live in a low trust society. YOU are the nigger.
>>521028332Haste was god for campaigns
>>521028380actual vermin postprobably turk or russian
>The damage might need to come down a little.THEY DON'T PLAY THEIR OWN FUCKING GAME
is last epoch going to sale after it drops their new update kinda want to try now
>>521027898>>521028161Actually you can play them ingame even if you don't have the stats. Open the gem cutting window, hold alt on a skill and then press the play button. It opens up this tiny popup window of the video. Also poe2db has them on the gem pages https://poe2db.tw/us/Boneshatter
>>521028437dogshit, don't bother unless you are absolutely desperate to play another arpg
>>521028398He used the staff bathroom. He had a habit of not flushing, he would call it "loot drops".
>>521028437cutedog likes itso that should tell you everything you need to know
>Temper Weapon on Smith of Kitava now adds 3 empowerments per strike of your weapon, and is 25% faster. The damage might need to come down a little.How big is the temper buff even? Why tf would you nerf the damage when it's already clunk?
>>521028024Too many skills are all about flash with zero substance. POE2 reminds me so much of early D2 it's unreal.>shitty cooldowns>a lot of flashy shit that actually suck ass>shit drops>only endgame shit is fun>Director coming out and being dumb>Director being interviewed by an angry content slopper>D2 changed upgrading weapons and used MEANINGFUL as their buzzword
>>521028356Riot has poached both Bex and Hrishi. Chris is retired already enjoying the tencent money. I’m looking for job at Riot’s Sydney offices.
>>521028657it's not a buff, it's a shitty explosion that does microscopic damage compared to your actual skill. it is completely useless.
>>521028332I like temporal bubble and periodic invuln to also help them survive.Haste sounds great on paper, but their aura radius is pretty small so if you're not a melee build then you'll mostly just feel it between packs (assuming the beast is fast enough to keep up, antlion ISN'T).Extra phys aura sounds good, haven't checked how much of a boost it gives.Energy shield aura is ok, Elem resists is meh.Trailing shocked ground is nice, and magma barrier is nice for survival.Offensive stuff like extra lightning damage/always poisons/etc. are mostly useless.
>>521028332I guess haste aura, energy shield aura(?), conjure lightning deals some damage (but it's not massive...) and perhaps some builds can abuse the "all damage can shock/chill/ignite" stuff, like that gas explosion arrow skill with ignite or shockburst with shock
>>521028657>How big is the temper buff even?714% at max quality
>>521028437Unironically a good game for 2 seasons. Has most mechanics of poe
Why is temp bubble fucking planet sized now?
>>521027704cringe double downwho knew using something that had unlimited uses as much as you want was bad
>>521028657its not a buffits qolwhich in jonathans mind means they have to nerf damage to compensate.
>>521028140that sounds absolutely miserable to break armor on so no
>>521028685>shitty cooldowns>early D2
>>521027616On this one I can unironically decipher Jonathan's vision here.The idea is that most of what the ascendancy provides should be archetype-agnostic, instead of archetype-specific like in POE1.Take Titan. There's like one branch about Slams, but most of it is generally-applicable, at least in theory. Everyone except CI andies like 15% More Life. The crushing blow and heavy stun line says "hits" not "attacks" or "melee", so hypothetically if you can inflict stuns with a spell or a bow that will work. Inventory space is just QOL, Armor is technically the Strength thing but beyond that is just a (bad) defense option, and bonus to small passives is universal.Better example might be Stormweaver. It visually looks like it'd be ice and lightning-focused, but if you look, there's Arcane surge which is just general spell stuff, Exposure which is good for any type, Heart of the Storm which is a globally-useful defensive thing, etc. Biggest clue-in to the vision is that both the actual shock and chill branches end in nodes that allow those to be applied by stuff that isn't Lightning or Cold-related.On Blood Mage, only Vitality Siphon and Sunder the Flesh call out needing to be a spellcaster at all.You get the idea. The goal I think is that ascendancies are more dynamic than just "hey minion builds, pick the obvious minion one or you're a fucktard", but because of that, they can't be that obvious and that limits how juicy with power towards any specific thing they can be.
>>521028690>Bexlol losing a core member of the design team must have been a real hit in the tracky dacks.
when will they buff flicker strike?guys pls don't laugh, i mean they added it to the game so they must make it work at some point, right?
>>5210286577x
>>521028735>Extra phys aura sounds good, haven't checked how much of a boost it gives.I think it's +40% increased, so pretty alrightalso I got a haste + haste aura quadrilla, he keeps up pretty well lol
>>521028896it already worked, the actual problem is frenzy charge generation
>>521028896maybe after they figure out how to make charges useful instead of just another resource to be consume for shit to work
>>521028974sorry, power charges i meant
Name just one other company and one developer who is fixing their game based on feedback so quickly. There isn't one.
>>521028951Quadrilla can absolutely keep up, it's the other beasts that are iffy.I should try checking if the triceratops in the chaos trial is decent (probably moves too slow though).
>>521028886Yes, grenade and melee cooldowns were the shittiest they ever were.
>>521027049This is nothingburger. Until fat kiwi retard get booted it will be continuous tip toeing around the problems.
>>521029059it's worthless if they keep dodging shit that matters
>suitsizesmall runs lab multiple times a day for 9 years straight>suddenly troons out>literally the following week he starts halfassing it for "mental health" reasonsWho's going to take over when he 41%'s himself?
>>521029059why did they release the league in such state to begin with?
>>521027384>comparing the (nonexistent) industry in NZ with Japan>
>>521028887And yet deadeye is still>oh you're playing projectiles?>pick this>oh you're playing anything frenzy related?>pick this
>>521029059It isn't fixed though.
the mount is against the vision
>>521029175it's EA, push shit out and iterate quickly.
>>521029059This was just a small appeasment to the crowd that was rushed as an apology for the live crucifixion.
>>521029174I'm thinking the 9 years of lab running did a number on his mental health
>might need to bring down it's damagelmfao. Even if it's faster and you can get more hits out of it, I doubt it will be so strong they'd need to do that. But they will.
>>521029254that is clearly not what they want to do though, otherwise we would get mid league changes and shit
i have no hope for this kusoge
>>521029368we are???
Poop
>>521029340pre-nerfed to prevent even the possibility of it being good
>>521029194I am 100% positive that Ranger/Huntress is his waifu pet character/class.
Still waiting at the start of act 3 for them to deploy the patch they mentioned 2 days ago about zone changes to act 3
>>521028108>corporarive speech crap, hey guys - when we finish going through the hundred mob types, we will tell you mobs are actually fine if ever willWhy are they such a disingenuous faggots.
>>521029174holy shit, /poeg/ wasn't joking about himabsolutely grim that site is ran by a troonthis is a bad omen for 3.26
>>521029464act 3 is such a slog i cant take it anymore
>>521029431major kind of changers, not 3 more strikes charges on a asc node that no one uses
>>521029194Bow projectiles or spell projectiles?
>>521029464it's all damage control the patches will come in like 3 weeks
>>521029368They dont want to nerf buildss to oblivion mid league, but i hope they are receptive to 80% or greater of skills being total dogshit and touching those numbers higher mid league
>>521029174Video game addicts tend to troon out, look at speed runners.
>>521029550up to a limit of course, gutting/nerfing too severely is being avoided, Jonathan has been clear on this
>>521029581Bow crossbow and spear not sure about spells since I don't play those
>>521029550You will always complain and will never be happy no matter what happens.
>>521029735that's not true, you are acting like a woman right now tho
>>521029735trvke
>Other companiesYou don't like that thing I put in the game, ok, we'll see if we change it (we won't) in 3 months when the next big patch is planned>gggYou don't like this thing? No problemo, we'll reinvent the system tonight and hotfix it in the morning. We'll also take the opportunity to add 42 QoL because we saw that a player made a post saying he was having a hard time.Feels good to be a PoE player
nothing that mattered was changed
>>521029846>we'll see if we change it (we won't) in 3 months when the next big patch is plannedFUCK JAPAN
>>521029735>put one single fried potato on the empty plate that supposed to have the full meal>... >oh, you will never be happy Yes I fucking will when you stop being retard cunt and serve me a full fucking meal
>>521029148>Until fat kiwi retard get booted it will be continuous tip toeing around the problems.Chris has been gone for a long time. Thank God for Jonathan The Chad and his vision we actually have a challenging ARPG with engaging combat.
Hour inMy review of the interview>Ziz 2/10 (Would be a 1/10 if I didn't care about the HC/Defense oriented questions)>Johnathan 1/10 (he knows nothing, and unironically spergs abit)>Mark 8.5/10 (he actually gives higher quality responses than the questions themselves)
there's no reason alchemy orbs should be rare past act 2 at the least
>shills still desperately slaving despite the johnny humiliation ritual
>>521029243>mount that doesnt make you fasterit's shit
>>521029846pooegg thought Archnemesis rares would be the end of Poo1 btw
Look, I'm really hardcore. I'm good at video games. I'm badass and hate casuals.That's why you need to make all mobs move slower and do less damage, and give me more loot, and make me do more damage. Lots more. You need to make this game easier for me so I can be more gooder at video games.
>>521030124Either, give me more of those, make rares a bit more common, or make quests give rare gear options for cope gear in case you have had total shit luck.
>>521030104Ziz literally plays 26 hours a day and sleeps 4 hours between sessions. And on top of that, he took the time to seriously prepare for his interview. Respect to him.
>>521029981Someone had to plant a seed and grow that potato plant, someone else had to harvest it, it then had to be shipped to a processing facility, there it was sliced and packaged, finally it was then shipped to the restaurant you visited, fried up, and then served to you on that plate.It's important that we try to give feedback on the obviously awful shit, the really broken and unfun stuff, and not act like you, some absolute fucking mongoloid that has no idea how the world works.
>>521029692The point is that the projectile nodes don't call out attack projectiles, so you could get the extra projectile and the range-based damage scaling on caster projectile skills. The small nodes on Tailwind give Skill speed now instead of Attack speed too.
>>521030232>or make quests give rare gear options for cope gear in case you have had total shit luck.Not sure why this isn't a thing. They had them in 1
>>521030232it really makes no sense, people would complain about not getting loot if they could just have more alchemy orbs to do something with all those shit white drops
>>521029981That the problem, anon - there was not supposed to be a full meal. They sell it as the one but then serve you one fried potatoe and say this is The Vision.
imagine thinking poe2 is actually challenging, one has to be retarded to think that
>>521030314complain less i mean*
>>521030241He sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber while listening to mozart to help be such a huge IQ individual
poe player>die to enemy>look at gems to see if you can do damage better>look at gear to make sure you have your res and layers covered>go back>do not die to enemyshitter>die to enemy>go on forum>cry and shit your pants about how the enemy is unfair and tedious and needs to be nerfed asap
This was literally just the Chris Wilson podcast incident again, so many newfags here kek
>>521030320It's not challenging, but the options that aren't strong are so fucking shit that nerfing them either means the devs are retarded or trying to force players to only play a handful of curated meta builds they intentionally made as outliers to promote the new shit.
>>521030501>look at gear to make sure you have your res and layers covered>realize nothing drops and that vendors sell shit, so you're stuck with garbage
>>521030501
>>521030320We don't need to imagine. Some Warrior anon was posting his deaths to Jamanra in every thread over the weekend
>>521030501and how do you expect to cover that res and layers huh?
Take a screenshot of your res and defenses and post it. Right now.
>>521030320Penquinz0 was stuck in Colossus for over an hour. Never underestimate the bottom of the barrel that casual players can reach.
>>521030104People suck Mark's dick too much. The game being in such a dire state is as much the result of his shitty work and/or inability to get through Johnathan's skull on every fucking issue this game has. He is either that incompetent/soft or simply shares Johnathan's vision. Stop bying into his energetic nodding during interview, when he is cornered, and look at his actions. Which are terrible, the game is worse than it was before and none of the issues were solved in 4 months. They doubled down on some even. Fuck Mark as much as Johnathan.
>>521030691nice try im not logging in to pump up your player count
>>521030730this, it's not like he wasn't pulling the same shit on PoE1 through the whole archnemesis crap not to mention that expedition was surely mostly his work as well
>>521030730>>521030813People suck Mark's dick because he's the only person at GGG who has a basic fucking idea of PR.
Mark and Jonathan are also responsible for everything you like about PoE1
>>521030730>the game is worse than it was beforeOh no your poison cloud instascreen delete build got nerfed the game is ruined.
>>521030730TRVTH NVKE
there's people here that are okay with going doing shit damage and going slow in an ARPG
>>521030921couldn't be me, i do good damage and go fast
>>521030730i mean how hamstrung is mark by jontron? we dont know
https://old.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1jurk3d/jonathans_reaction_was_priceless/
Game is already better than PoE1, it just needs higher base IQ to play.
>>521030730but all that is happening right now is the same thing that always happens. someone says something, some streamers jump on it because they like to farm engagement, then it snowballs with retards and shitters gaslighting themselves into thinking the sky is falling. just go back to the start of EA >oh my god there is no loot!!!!!!! BUFF LOOT NOWWWWWthey buff loot, people finally make it to maps and some of them say>hey i'm getting a lot of loot >OH MY GOD TOO MUCH LOOT NERF LOOT MAGIC FIND?!? IS IT TOO POWERFUL!!!?!?! and then the clicks dry up and everyone forgets about it. it happens like every other league in poe 1.
>>521030921>there's people here that are okay with going doing shit damage and going slow in an ARPGDoomposters shill Grim Dawn all the time and thats the slowest Arpg since Titan Quest.
>>521030320Challenging and Punishing aren't synonyms, but people treat them as such. >>521030104>armour reduces the damage you take from the poison since its reducing the hit size>The base Magnitude of Poison is Chaos damage per second equal to 20% of the Pre-mitigation Physical and Chaos damage of the Hit that inflicted itBravo, Johnatroon
>>521030991>>oh my god there is no loot!!!!!!! BUFF LOOT NOWWWWW>>OH MY GOD TOO MUCH LOOT NERF LOOT MAGIC FIND?!? IS IT TOO POWERFUL!!!?!?!It's insane how much the MF thing was memoryholed btwEvery retard was farming clicks off it for like two weeks and this thread was talking nonstop about how much MF trivializes the game and then it turned out it gets hard diminishing returns and everyone clammed up overnightAnd then they nerf it in 0.2 and suddenly everyone is complaining about muh no loots again
>>521031041The only thing punishing about 2 is exp loss
come home white man, the Emperor protects.
>>521030320Act 1 and 2 being a poverty fest isn't a challenge.
>>521031141there are very few things more anti-white than buying a GW product
>Jonatran disenchants every item he findsstart. doing. this
>>521026919>Alright, i am 43 and entered the Apex of Filth
>>521030972
>>521031041There isn't any meaningful punishment in POE2 and the only challenge comes from using shit they nerfed into the ground. The only difficulty comes from tedium if you have really shitty luck running your first or maybe even second character at league start.
IAMNOTSOFT
>>521030730Not really talking about their performance at the company, Mark just performed better in the interview, Johnathan performed really poorly on all objective counts.I don't know their roles in the company other than Johnathan>Mark for PoE2, I dont know if decision making is executive of more flat etc.
>>521027030/poe2g/ was literally crying out this being a bad change if it happened
>>521031243>There isn't any meaningful punishment in POE2Yes there is. The very start of the game being INTENTIONALLY made to shit on you.
FUCK
>shill posts retarded shit acting like poe2 is perfect>another anon or himself replies with an imageWhat is this shilling strategy called? GGG should pay me to shill instead I wouldn't be as obvious.
Now I understand why you don't see many Aussie/NZ games. Most of them are retarded.
Apolgize to Ziz NOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhytnvJypdg
PoE2 isn't hard because video games aren't hard.
Remember POE2 was just gonna be better graphics and 10 more acts added to POE1? Take me back please God.
I am hard.
>>521031397And thus, the narrative shifts. Haired Fucking Retard won.
>>521026919I literally and unironically lost all hope for Poop2. Even for 1.0 and beyond.
>>521031370No shit, look at other creatives who came out of NZ like that faggot movie director.>>521031397>OMG THE GAME IS SAVED THANKS TO MEFake interview meant to distract the player base into squabbling while they appease the "voice of the community" who can now farm more clicks. IM NOTICING
so apparently everyone just needed someone to vent their frustrations to the frog and the retardplebbit is already fellating jonboi. poeg is already fellating jonboi. things will get worse and everyone will thank them because muh hardcore elite gayme.soulshittery and the retardedness it created is a plague to vidya and I wish that Hidetaka Miyazaki had never been born
>Arc buffsDare I even hope my fellow Arcbros?
>>521031523it's herald of thunder in your pocket
>skeleton minions got a scaling damage buff with levels>spectres untouched>Vaal Guards most likely getting nerfed because they're supposed to have a CD on their grenade spam
>>521030320Many people seems to struggle with "shallenging" definition. ARPG being challenging as "having hard bosses that take time and gear to defeat" is good. That's the staple of every good ARPG. ARPG being challenging as "designed to make trading and gambling the main source of good loot, and keep players hitting one white mob for 10 seconds or rare for 2 mins, on top of having most of the skills and stats weak as fuck so 90% of available builds are shit" Is bad. Poop2 is the latter kind of challenging. It's challenging by being a shitty designed game.Which is fully GGG devs' skill issue, not players skill issue.
>>521031480>Fake interviewRetard
>>521031397
WHY DO YOU FAGGOTS ALWAYS REACT THE SAME?>ggg nerfs shit to the ground>slowly buffs shit>praise gg>repeat
how are doomies already coping so hard nothing even happened yet lol
>>521031621Cope, you will now move on in a few days and eat up the slop from the Good Goy Games trough like the piggy you are.
>>521031676because it's fun
I cant believe all it took was for ziz to yell at Jonathan and Mark for 2 hours
>>521031695Name your top 5 games.
What the fuck is going on with DC Realm
HAHHHAHAAHH
Literally no one thinks PoE2 is hard, retards. On my first playthrough of PoE2 the first time I died was the end of Act2. The game isn't hart, it's just cumbersome and clunky and annoying to play.Enemies shouldn't be baseline faster than the player, Jonathan is completely retarded. Doing this only leads to one design outcome where enemies just zerg rush you and forces you to stop for every mob. If the game had actual enemy design and variance to their actions this wouldn't be an issue.You shouldn't have to screenclear a cloud of shit that zergs on you each time you move on screen as part of gameplay. There is no situation in PoE2 where you feel like you have got the jump on enemies, that you have leaped into a pack where most were unaware of you and you stomped them.No, enemies are instantly aware of you the second they are within your loaded presence even offscreen, no ai or varied pathing just whatever is the most direct to you. I'll repeat this from last thread for the retards that don't understand this:Enemies in Path of Exile have only 2 states, run forward and attack. They literally don't even have animations to do anything else.This isn't good enough and leads to only one outcome, enemies behave like a locust swarm. It doesn't matter what enemy it is, what they look like, they all behave the same. There are very, very few enemies in PoE2 that behave differently to this and the only ones I can think of are those hyena's that walk sideways sometimes. GGG should be applying that mobs mentality to most every enemy in the game.Pic related, it's Matrix Reloaded where Neo gets ganged on, he fights like 3 at a time and it's paced correctly. They comically all pile in at one point like PoE, which is unfun gay shit and his only option is just to screen clear them all.If Jonathan wants people to use combos and actually engage with the systems and fight more meaningful encounters, they need to heavily revise all monsters in the game and their behaviour.
>>521031559My ultimate and final cope is that it does good damage to the enemy it hits and it's actually a single target buff.
>>521030189It is kinda funny how all the people asking for this are those that claim to be veteran arpg players and dismissing any dissenters as casuals that have no idea what they are talking about.
>>521031816Happy for you or sorry that happened
>>521030320Some people, most notably game developers, have a hard time telling apart "challenging" from "tedious"For something to be challenging, it must be a matter of player skill. PvP games are challenging, bullet hells are challengingHaving to spend 30s per white mob pack and getting 0 loot isn't a challenge. Player skill doesn't play a role, it's just a matter of spending more time. It's just tedious
so what did the new patch do?whats the meta now
>>521031805that's why it's called the DC realm
He. Fvcking. Won.
>3 months ago>"There's no way the campaign is that long">fast forward>"The campaign is too long!"
This is a "make streamers happy" patchWatch 0.3 repeat this dumb cycle of nerf-buff bullshit again
>>521031820it's a lot like what happened with halo in the 00safter halo released every casualnigger was clamoring for weapon swap shit and "cinematic" campaigns
>>521031746In no specific order, Metal Arms Glitch In the System, Tiberium Wars, POE1, RE4, Fallout Tactics
>>521031839This is a man
YESSSSSSSSbut why are we getting class specific buffs now? i thought we could play what we want, jonathan??
>>521031507Miyazaki has made nothing but great games.Don't blame PoE2 being shit on him.Is it his fault that Jonathan is retarded and put a slow roll in a game where enemies are faster than you? Is it his idea that GGG made a game where unlike miyazaki's games enemies are retarded zerg spam?
The league mechanic is so shit but no one cares because everything else is bad lol
Jonathan>I don't play the game but when I do play it I have regals out the ass, artificer's orb out the, my gear and power progression are perfect.Mark>I don't know.ok.
i want to use ritual sacrifice but don't know how to make it not suck. any ideas?
>>521032028>but why are we getting class specific buffs now?we aren't retard
>>521031874i wanna shoot a load on that face
INHIBITOR BUILD
>>521031676Affliction was one of their most successful leagues and there's been a massive influx of shitter newfags in every league since then.
are you going to make us watch you live react line by linekill yourself immediately
IT SUCKS NICE RING SLOT LMFAOOO HAHAHAHA
>>521031243heres an example so you understand the difference.Punishing but not challenging= getting hit by the act 2 boss in the mines is a 1shot, but it isnt challenging to dodge the attack, you are getting punished entirely on 1 simon saysChallenging but not punishing = Majority of Sanctum falls into this category, individual mistakes don't matter alot, but its about the aspect of attrition and cumulative mistake
>>521032114>12% to juggle all typesHow are you even going to run this?
>>5210321144% is hilariously low
cant believe I paid $30 for this shitty ass game
>>521031523>here is your miniscule buff but also take some downside with it, exileThis makes me so fucking mad. More than 2 decades ARPGs had perfect balance of giving and taking. Why such a hard boner for making everything so fucking punishing all of a sudden? I don't remember D2 having that.
>>521032215People wanted a way to stop shit like barrage from eating your charges. You don't actually use it for the damage.
okay, what's the meta now after the ziz patch
Does playing through the campaign not feel like a job yet?
>>521032342
>>521032056> dark souls 2 is good> nightreign is good> whatever kind of bullshit for switch 2 will be goodMiyazaki has 3 actual good games: Sekiro, Bloodborne and Elden Ring. Same shit, different scenario with a couple changes, but yeah, at least someone in From Slopware knows how to somewhat pace games better than the retarded kiwithats not a winand while its not his fault that every game dev is a trendchasing tranny, it is his fault to keep making the exact same game again and again
>>521032296I imagine it won't change anything, but I pray that it's actually a significant damage source. Getting it just for hitting shocked things is also a pretty free condition especially in this gay retard game. I must see numbers before I firebomb GGG or not.
>>521032306How about fixing frenzy generation first instead? we don't need infinite barrage turbolaser.
The Count in Act 1 should've joined us instead of us having to kill him.
>>521032246SameI rarely buy the games, only when I'm sure I'm not going to regret it. I regret buying this shit, especially now when it's evident GGG are committed to making the bad game.
Where's the upcoming changes page?
>>521032096
>dark souls 2>Miyazakilollmao
why are there actual fromtroons in here
>>521032246KEKJAJHE PAID FOR THIS SHIT(nah to be fair sorry for you bro seeing that you wasted your money sucks)>>521032323uninstall wizard, or its advanced version stay uninstalled wizard
> UPDATE: We've since found that the implementation for the increased damage per type of charge to not be feasible in the timeframe that we want this support gem to be released, and the core of the design of the support is an important tool to get into the hands of players, so we will be releasing it without that stat present. HAHAHAHHA
>game has a roll button>constant comparisons to soulslop
>>521032479https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3750853
why didn't jonathan dodge roll the criticism
>>521032613THx
>>521032425Feels like the chances to afflict statuses got nerfed. Harder to build charges with combat frenzy even with the new cooldown.
>>521032558Hey we have parryslop now too
well, in other news....RIP baby Sneed!
>>521032342Just run rake stomping ground and zip through it and gather gear and currency to give your real character a better start once you feel you've gotten enough stuff.
almost finished with act 2 and i have not found a single spirit gem beside the one you get from doing the gay wood man
Those who might not watch till the end - Jonathan apologizes at the end for "malding" at the start and says he clearly got off on the wrong side of the bed today. He does get a lot more comfortable as the interview goes on.
>>521032557Why are these faggots so allergic to miniscule amounts of damage in a PVE game holy fuck. This company is embarrassing themselves nonstop.
xdd@poe2
>>521032558> main dev compares it to Elden Ring and says it wants the game to be soulslop> dae why peepo say its soulslop?
>>521032731>todayDude has probably been in a barely controlled rage since the weekend
>>521032731Thanks for copying a comment chud
wow Jonathan literally raped ziztranny on his own streamI FUCKING KNEEL
>>521032653Combat frenzy is fucking dead. The main issue is that huntress has ONE generator ability that is tied to fucking parry (which goes out of the window later anyway) and gorillion spenders.
sooo did huntress get nerfed? gas arrow? lightning spear shit?
Power charges in poe 1 give you 80% crit chance each and theres ton of supports from stacking themIn PoE 2 you have to lock out a support in socket and then you have to overcome generating them and then you get 4% damage for each charge for only that skill
>>521032806 The contrast between Mark and Jonathan is stark and made this almost an uncomfortable watch with their back and forth. Mark is much more well equipped for these interviews and it’s not even close.
>>521027113Why is that Huntress specific? Are they just retards?
>"Ruthless? Charms? Combos? What the hell are you talking about Anon? Get yourself together, a 1 hour race is about to start"
>he got filtered by the campaign
>>521032912Still pretending skills are tied to classes and not weapons to try and get more D4 dads to play.
>>521032912Might be something tied to ritualist maybe?
>>521030730>poowunners will personally attack the devs until they turn poe2 into poo1i hate clown world
>>521032910Mark id s a bitchass white boy who doesnt like confrontation so he submits to whoever is confronting him like a bitchJonathan is a Maori warrior, if you come for the king you better not miss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9X5eodyhz0
>>521032948many such poowunner cases
is ls huntress just THAT good from the get go?
>>521032854Gas and poison builds are under review for an adjustment
>>521032954It was really bizarre in the lead up to 0.1 when they made it sound like weapons are tied to specific classes in all the preview videos
>>521032557so the gem just prevents consuming charges? what's the point?
>>521033039This is the kind of gameplay that impresses Elon and turned him into a "gamer".
>>521033086are you kidding me
>>521033079lich requires insane investment to not use the 1 chaos skill or minions
>>521032829>Combat frenzy is fucking dead.Not even fucking close dude
>>521032912It's "Huntress specific" because it mostly affects HuntressThe change itself has nothing to do with Huntress, like how the CI thing is connected to the bleed change but they're in separate categories
>>521032402Fromsoft don't make the same game again and again, and no one gets mad that every single FPS game ever created uses the same core princplesFromsoft want to make medieval setting games with dark fantasy combat. They already did about the best you can do for that, why would they regress and do something shittier like skyrim or witcher for no reason other than to be "different to how they would normally do it"?Every single FPS game ever made boils down to WASD + Left Click the baddies head. Every game can be reduced down to it's simplest forms.Sekiro is very fucking different to Demon's Souls and Bloodborne very different to both of them. Yes, they have a mainline branch that Elden Ring is the latest in, but that's because you don't abandon something that works especially when there's still more to do there. Each of their games adds a new puzzle piece closer to perfection. Elden Ring tried a heap of stuff that wouldn't have flown in Dark Souls and there are parts that don't work but Fromsoft would know that now, I doubt we'll ever see an open world game in that style with that scale and scope ever again, the expansion for Elden Ring was much tighter and better paced than the main game and much more vertical and interconnected like Dark Souls was.GGG are just inherently hacks, their entire studio started from copying the work of others exactly. They have literally no vision and never have.They have never made anything truly new or their own, they just make Diablo 2 but stealing gameplay quirks from other games. It's why all their fucking leagues are just tower defence or farmville or whatever. Eventually we'll have Pong league and Pacman league, they are completely devoid of talent as an overall company but they do have talented individuals within the company.
>>521033112You can use that one buff that makes charges give passive bonuses. Or maybe koreans will discover some bugged skill acts as if it's consuming charges without consuming charges and shits on everything
>>521032829>Combat frenzy is fucking deadcombat frenzy is the only thing keeping this "league" above 50k
>>521033079She's early game about as shit as early game monk. Then she picks up after lvl 30 or so
>>521033079No dummy it's just new, of course everyone's playing itIt's actually a pretty rough leaguestarter because of how gear-dependent it is but it's very strong
Why is Jonathan so rude? He kept interrupting/talking over Zizaran.
bros even the streamers can't save us...what now...they won't budge...do we really have to git gud
>>521032912jonathan only wants people to use skills on the classes he approved. he genuinely got mad when zizaran said he was making a crossbow warrior.
>>521033320autism
>>521032760You just know jonatroon never even played elden ring without mage crystal tear lasering everythingIf he even played dark souls I bet he was just one of those dark bead havels wearing fags that never interacted with the game
>>521033320He's had almost a week of people telling him his vision is retarded
>>521033267Holy BASED
>>521032829Are you even at maps
>>521033369wonder why
>>521033320he made ziz his bitch, it was glorious
>>521033342I know but bleed was a mechanic before Huntress, and ascendancies like blood mage even have bonuses to it
>>521032978>>will personally attack the devs>boohoo my poor millionaire deverinos noo my favorite multimillion dollar company ;_;Back to **ddit leforid tranny scum.
Zaccie said git gud
>>521033319>>521033317>>521033182i seeguess i'm going meta then through the slog
BASED JONATHAN DABBING ON BASEDARAN AND REDDIT
>glacial lance leaves behind a bunch of ice>oh cool so this means i can use twister and it will gain ice>nope! the effect from glacial lance doesn't count as a ground effectwhy
>>521033267TRVTH NVKE
>>521033267>Fromsoft don't make the same game again and again
>>521033267>It's why all their fucking leagues are just tower defence or farmville or whatever. Eventually we'll have Pong league and Pacman leagueWhere is the gacha league that makes all the classes be sexo anime women with shapely asses and plump tiddees?
>server starts hiccuping in middle of act 5 final boss fight>get hit several times by abilities because it>die from attrition just before culling himAlright I give up on HCSSF. Being stuck with insanely dogshit weapons because there's no badluck prevention or avenues to make a weapon that isn't total shit is pretty disheartening if you die.Got most of the stuff I used leveling to this point but it's all horrificly shit and I don't think I have the stomach to slog through the acts doing zdps again.
>>521033427Yes. I tried electrocute prime on LS but I haven't seen a single charge generated from that. Glacial lance is so weightless that it feels like it doesn't even exist. Idk how to pin with huntress. I tried bone cage but it's bad.
still mad we never got sudoku league
Spoonfeed me the best starter buildI just want to play for a couple of days then uninstall
>>521033545*S0_YRAN
>>521033615>I tried electrocute prime on LS but I haven't seen a single charge generated from that.Because Prime by itself does nothing unless you have an actual source of ElectrocuteThere should be a very obvious skill you have that cannot shock but still does lightning damageYou can use that skill to generate frenzy charges without even thinking about it
Why was zizaran constantly interrupting jonathan and mark, that was really rude
Now that they are nerfing stuff what is the build to go for? Is the anvil ascendancy any good?
>>521033615Put it on herald of thunder stinky.Slap neural support on it.
>>521033615Just use electrocute and neural overload on herald. Single target you can just use mark and cast on crit if you're lazy and don't mind the spirit tax or just cast it in between lances otherwise.
>>521032940look how much soul there is in this man until he lost his hair
>>521028690>Riot’s Sydney officesGood luck anon.
>>521033717>>521033781>>521033801Oh so it's both neural and priming on herald? thx. I have tons of spirit because I'm running Spear + Sceptre so that's fine.
Is there a fap collage of DsLarry(Lily) ?
>>521033779>Temper weapon is shit>Manifest weapon is funny but shit>fire spell on hit is actually fire spell on several hits>custom chest armor is only good if you want to do something very specific The only good thing is the ones that make half you fire res apply to lightning and ice.
>>521033762Jon's a retard that starts sperging out before other people finish talking and it's just how you have to talk to that sort of person because he thinks he already knows what you're trying to say and starts tweaking.
>>521033898>>custom chest armor is only good if you want to do something very specificmax res is good on literally every single build in both games and always will be
>>521033267>Fromsoft don't make the same game again and againah yes thats the reason they ended up making different souls 1 2 3 and 4 (also 5 if we count elden ring but imma be nice and not since at least this one is somewhat trying)also: fps are boring as shit, but again, souls and cawadoody are basically the same garbage regurgitated every year to please a fanbase> do something shittier like skyrim or witcher says you its shittier, negro. dont like any of them but I'd rather replay witcher 3, at least that one has story to compensate> Sekiro is very fucking different to Demon's Souls and Bloodborne very different to both of them.ah yes. one has parry or gtfo, the other is basic bitch souls and the third is "be aggressive to regen". Granted, storywise and in terms of visuals they fucking mog, but its the same shit over and over.> GGG are just inherently hacks, their entire studio started from copying the work of others exactly. They have literally no vision and never have. no argument from me there
https://youtu.be/NzebiWTdSgw&t=165>Ahh yes, the extremely nuanced boss mechanics of...>Crowbell>This is the game he built an identity around being good at
>>521033320He was sperging out. He even admitted it and apologized at the end of the interview.
is he just retiring because he's rich?
>>521030590>>521030718When people get stuck like that it's usually a problem of them not understanding how big of a role gear plays, especially life rolls on gear which can let you avoid getting oneshot.
>>521033931Erm, just clear your screen before they hit you
>>521033993Imagine having millions of dollarsNow look at this thread and tell me these are people you want to willingly spend the rest of your life catering to
hopeCHVDs fucking won. doomsissies btfo'd and stucking playing gay troony poch while hopeGODS run maps playing connect the dots with the rares. LIGHTNING SPEAR LIGHTNING SPEAR LIGHTNING SPEAR HURAHHHHH!!! NIGGER!!!
>>521033647Is this loss?
>>521033993probablywhy would you even take this seriously? he did exactly what he wanted to do: made a game, grifted people into "his vision" and made bankwhy wouldnt you just get away with the money when you clearly see its over
>>521033853Yeah, it also lets your actual abilities still shock so you can also throw primal strikes in too if you want. It actually blows up bosses if you don't mind the melee/ranged meme.
>>521031820>>521030189What you shitters don't realize is that to anyone actually good at games those mobs are an annoyance, not hard.What you perceive as "hard" any actual human perceives as just boring.
>list white stellar for 5ex>no requestsit's over
>>521033320I imagine Jonathan must be absolutely insufferable to deal with as a boss. I can barely cope with watching the interviews he's in.If he was middle tier employee he'd never have made it in a company without pissing everyone off.He must have some blackmail material on Chris or something that forced him out.If I had to place money on it he has a tencent chinese wife and married into the ccp or something
>>521030998Grim Yawn is so shit I can't believe anyone would recommend it. It's way worse than TQ.
fuckin finally
>>521031581>>skeleton minions got a scaling damage buff with levels>nerf minion damage by 90%>minions now do 0.1x damage>buff minions by up to 70%>minions now do 0.17x damage
>>521034193to be fairyou can mod it to get extra classes, more enemies and make it a bit fasterbeing able to accomodate the game to what you want is a big plus(its still ugly as fuck and the campaign is basically aids cancer, granted)
>>521031945>Metal ArmsShit.>Tiberium WarsShit after EA patches.>RE4Casual shitter pick.>Fallout TacticsTerrible Jagged Alliance clone for retards.>PoE 1So you're just upset PoE 2 is harder.
>>521031325you're literally making things up in your head to doom about
>>521034079>gay troony pochNot gonna lie, that games Forge/Anvil based nigga >>>>>>>>>> Smut of Kektava
>>521031839stop posting this tranny suit is our new queen
>>521027049>Matlan Waterways nerfedthank GOD
Zaccie wonnered bigggestly.Jonathan wonnered bigggestly.Alk wonnered bigggestly.PoE2 wonnered bigggestly.poop1 losted bigggestly.last epoop losted bigggestly.ben_roach losted bigggestly.steelcuck losted bigggestly.ziztranny losted bigggestly.chris losted bigggestly.
>>521034308>POE2 >hardLmfao the only difficulty comes from tedium if you are either unlucky on your first character with drops or you unknowingly build around skills that are shit on your first character.
Path or exile?
>>521034173>he has a tencent chinese wife and married into the ccp or somethingwhy cant this be mewhy cant the ccp assign me a tencent chinese qt that will keep me employed forever? I would deal with retarded interviews far better than he does(imagine being unable to finagle a retarded faggot like ziz)
spitroasting holly from eleventh hour games with dslily on the other side
>>521034308>So you're just upset PoE 2 is harder.Here's your hard game sir.
I just want to give a toast to Johnny boy for giving us Doomies enough ammo to last for months.
>>521034653The only good frogpost
early poe leagues had really high retentionbut i think also it's because people back then weren't as obsessed with starting with day 1 of the league necessarily.
>>521032954This whole approach has been a fucking disaster and it's holding them back for making interesting good skills. They need to stop making everything weapon specific.
>>521031816I agree with the enemy ai redesign. but Jonathan is also correct that SOME enemies should be faster than the player.
how do you get the forth boss atlas point now, when corruption doesn't give +1 level now?
>>521034653doomsissy...havent you seen? everyone is already back on jonathan's trainthe emergency buff patch fixed everythingits over. crisis averted, get ready to see people buying mtx packs soon
>>521031268why does he make this rat face?
>>521033551because it would be too easy to give you elemental ground that way
>>521034712Its a guarantee they're going to spread skill weapon requirements to adjacent classes just like PoE 1, because its such an easy adjustment that adds ton of depth. Example if flails can do Rolling Slam but not Boneshatter while Axes can do vice versa but have to look for stun elsewhere then thats already a class/weapon hybrid combo right there.
>>521033993Have you even seen how he was on the videos for the last couple years before he stopped showing up? Dude had a stroke or some other medical episode.
does dark souls have you get swarmed by enemies constantly? seems to me like if you want to be dark souls the top priority should be gutting the "100 enemies all come barreling towards you" and replace it with "1 chad foe slowly strolls forward, confident that YEAH I'D WIN" i mean it requires a fundamental total re-do of how POE functions
>>521034712Their autistic hyperfixation with making the animations bespoke pretty much sealed their fate on this one.
>>521034173sound like cope and projectionexamine your own life choices first
>>521034306None of that fixes the core gameplay which is shit.
>>521034927dark souls 2 does yeah
>>521035002Oh, hey Jonathan.
>>521034684Why they don't let people have fun toys early in leagues I'll never understand. Mechanic is good in red maps sucks as it turns every league into rush through the content so you can get rewarded with a league mechanic that works. Leagues like Betrayal where you could make an exalt consistently (when that was good) by just respawning in campaign for it that fled to charge breachstones was a real play for casual players.They also neuter mechanic as well like Betrayal constantly getting nerfed to be a shadow of what it formerly was.
>>521035002>examine your own life choices firstErm, we are in a thread for a game designed to be addictive.
>>521034927Enemies swarming is not an issue in itself. Nobody is whining about the mosquito swarms coming at you because they do no damage. Its a monster speed vs monster damage balance issue. Fast monsters in general should not do a lot of damage. That or their actual attacks should be well telegraphed and slowed down.
>>521034684Speedrun minmax theorycraft brainrot keeps killing games and genres.
>>521035072They're afraid of having to nerf op league rewards because people will get angry.
>>521035136This and it get's worse when devs either cater to those people or try to nerf/stop them from doing their thing because it trickles down to nonautists every time.
last epoch worth a try or back to poe1?
>>521035116exactly ;-)
>>521035240wait for 17th april when there's a new sleepoch patch
>>521034684it was a different time, less refined thirdparty tools, smaller community, daily missions(you can see their removal fucking retention starting in systhesis), there was way more grinding but it felt less grindy somehow.
>>521034684>Necro worse retention then Archnem and KalandraWhat the fuck happened here? I thought necro had giga strong gear from the league mechanic.
>>521034543i choose the maze
>>521035242I'm going to rolling slam your pinussi of filth
>>521035231Exactly. The focus should always be on making sure the average player is enjoying the game. For years GGG has been too worried what the poopsockers do to break the game and too busy cleaning up after them that it ruined PoE1 and at this rate it is going to ruin PoE2.
>>521034724Yes of course but that's not what Jonathan says. He says all enemies should be faster, which they are.
>>521035240I tried my old falconer from release recently.I'm genuinely shocked how much more fun than PoE 2 LE is.
How do we save POE2?
what the fuck did they do to queen of filth's damage
>>521033342>specifically designed the game to be like that>angry that people play the way it was designedNo one asked this faggot to attach skills to the weapons.
>>521035285That's because Synthesis sucked on league start. It became an amazing league after all the changes but people are always going to drop a league that feels bad at the start.
>>521035295it took a while for people to find out how to craft op gear. also it was a mega chore to do it and league mechanic just wasnt fun.
>>521035365that's not true, listen to it again. also obviously a lot of monsters in poe2 are slower than the players, skellies, giants, worms, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ccXrulWOc0&t=969sHe may be fat, old and bald, but he's right you know.
>>521035408wdym?
>>521035285dailies sucked ass nobody wanted to do them they did them because they felt like they had tothat applies to all games not just poe>there was way more grinding but it felt less grindy somehowbecause it got a lot more bothersome to grind as you had to put effort towards grinding efficiently or you might as well not play at allno more alch and go
>>521035240Its cheap PoE 1 Lite, well worth the price. Just try to get resistances in the game, at one point in the game when you first hit a fantasy desert area, monsters do a ton of high poison- and elemental damage all of a sudden and can instantly kill you if your gear is unprepared.
>>521035240Poch's pretty fun, worth a few playthroughs at least in my book>good build customization>nice crafting>good boss fights except majasa, SHIT fight. thankfully she's optional>okay setting, meh story
>>521035240LE is slow compared to POE 1 and requires more button presses on average. Also early "mapping" is kind of a slog. End game is stale pretty quickly because its only really has one loop and then it becomes an ancestral D3 farm tier end game.
>>521035285Nah, synthesis was genuinely terrible for the first week. Not even just mechanically, the servers were frequently crashing for the first 3 days and there was constant client crashing.After that it was pretty great, but that was also the last league GGG fixed because the amount of effort that went into it fell on deaf ears since no one came back.Also no one liked dailies and it certainly didn't help retention, it was just a smaller community of dedicated fans that still exist with a shitload more casuals who come back for a few weeks of a new league before bouncing to another fotm seasonal update game.
>>521035408I think they increased her aoe on a bunch of the attacks that didn't use to hit you and now they do
I AM THE APEX
>>521035408Nothing, she just survives much longer so you can eat her rolling shit-smeared ass more often. When she throws those blackened corpses from the pool, dodge roll towards the direction of the pool, not away from it.
>>521027384>I genuinely don't understand any of itno one in their office actually does a lot of the work of making the game, which is true of every video game company. i'm actually "genuinely dont understand any of it" with the video game industry, like they used to be able to make video games, but it is what it isso 2019, the game is sort of a game and gets shown off at exile con. they've done enough work to make a demo and they have some great ideas. but then the plague hits in 2020. now they literally can't get any work done because it turns out theyre farming all of the core critical work, like texturing and shit that programmers cant be bothered to do anymore, like code, to china. but oh no, every other video game company in the world is also farming all of their core critical work to china and there's a fucking plague happening so no one in china can actually go to work to do all of this work.so that deletes two years. 2022 small game company probably didnt make it very far in the queue, even if they are owned by tencent so are larger games. we can at least imagine at this point work is getting doneso around 2023 you probably should have a shippable game but oh no in all of that downtime of waiting for the guys in china to finish their work, the guys at the nz office have been playing elden ring and vampire survivors, and so now we're in a fucking duke nukem situation where the game has taken so fucking long to get released that they gotta add wasd to the game and they gotta add dodge rolls to the game and directional blocking and whatever and whatever. they have so many ideas now. so fuck all of that work up to 2023 now we gotta spend a handful of years figuring out how to jam all of this new shit into our game
>>521035240New update on April 17 is going to be huge and surely will hit the spot for any disappointed PoE2 player. They got he proper endgame now (Atlas, map juicing, lots of cool itemization features etc)
>>521035506The funniest part of it being EA is that they really should have not been so retarded with player nerfs and tried it in increments that are reasonable leading up to release. But these retards needed to treat it like we're in 1.0. Also how can these retards show off druid and then say her is cuntress first. Also what kinda fucking ARPG doesnt have swords. bahahahahaaaaa
>>521035582After PoE2 this game looks so fucking ugly that I can't. Couldn't go back to 1 either. I know the graphics shouldn't matter but there's something about these outdated looking 3d games that animate like shit. I'm fine playing D2 because it's a smooth experience but PoE1 is so fucking jank in comparison to 2.
>>521034927Dark Souls enemies have LOADS of shit in their toolbox, you could plonk 20 enemies on screen (which they do actually in Bloodborne there's a point you get the entire townsfolk onHowever, they don't all just zerg rush you.They not only can move omnidirectionally strafing,backpedaling etc, they have speed variance so they can walk or run etc. They also can climb ladders, open doors, can fall, some can jump up depending on game, they often will have range mobs swap to a weapon as you get close etc, enemies can one or two hand their gear sometimes.The basic zombie/skeleton enemies in Dark Souls, regardless of how high you level or confident you get, can kill you just because it's not about numerals, it's about situations. You'd often get cocky having fought these mobs 1000 times before but then there's that time one refuses to drop it's shield on a narrow walkway and you're suddenly boxed in and some other asshole gets you from behind.>>521035121Swarming absolutely does matter because it's the only function enemies can engage in. Swarming is fine in use cases where it makes sense. But having literally every enemy on screen just act like a fluid simulation and you are the gravity it's all heading towards at all times is retarded. You get literally flooded and this makes all the game systems break down to "gimme that screen clear button" and you no longer interact with any combos. Jonathan doesn't know what he wants, he wants to put all these combos and forced interactions in the game, but then insists enemies swarm faster than you can move to stop you doing them.It's entirely a tech issue on GGG's side, their enemies are braindead and can't do anything other than sprint forward and attack.
>Fork on LSholy SHIT
>>521035506>the 30 day walk of shamekek
>>521035405>revamp support gem tiering, more tiers are needed for a smoother progression>improve enemy ai, it shouldn't only be ranged chuckers and blitzers>too many monsters hitting you from off screen is bullshit and should be toned down>also with AI - normal white packs react too fast to your presence, which leads to inability to setup combos since u die too quickly. if they react fast, they should not light stun you easily or do too much damage.>the difficulty bump density wise for low level maps maybe too severe. smoothen out progression but retain red map difficulty.
>>521034610>going back to campaign with late game gearwow very smart saar
>>521035635I quit after losing my whole synthesis puzzle a couple times due to bugs and crashes on the first week.
>>521033079I don't understand how people are playing LS. I just started cruel and it was the worst character experience when fighting zone and act bosses. I do zero single target damage.I don't care about good clear speed on regular monsters because every single build destroys those but how the fuck do I do single target damage. I am so confused I quit last night because every single fucking act and zone boss takes FORVER to kill.I am using storm lance, I am using sniper's mark with the support for extra charges generation and it's like, well on rake I would spam rake disengage and bloodhunt to kill the bosses but on this build it's like, spam lance and sniper's mark for literally minutes and eventually the boss dies of old age.Fuck this I got mad just typing this.
>>521035875That character is Level 58, same as the zone.The game balance is just shit.
>>521035240arpgs are never worth it
>>521035780>Swarming absolutely does matter because it's the only function enemies can engage in.As soon as any monster does something different you whine like a bitch because you can't play the game blindfolded anymore. Riverhag has a swarm of slow zombies and their job is to not swarm you, their job is to block your way from reaching the river hag.
>>521035875>act 3 cruel objs on screen>erm you went back to early gameRetard alert!
>>521035660Turns out studio bloat and outsourcing is terrible for productivity. Studios back in the day were churning games out every year or two because they had like 10-50 people which allowed them to communicate. People also didn't use corposlop approaches like sprints or whatever they just worked with minimal oversight and interference.
>>521035405>player MS up 50%>white mob hp /4>boss damage x50done
>>521035923It sucks on bosses. People play it because it feels fucking good to throw a volted frenzied barraged LS into a pack of monsters and watch it blow up.
Oh yeahI'm feeling the Vision(tm)
>>521036072Turns out thats one of the most memorable monsters in the game because it presents a challenge that's slightly different from >blow up pack before pack blows you up
>>521036249NOOOOO, WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS NEITHER SLOW OR MEANINGFUL. YOU CAN'T JUST PRESS 1 BUTTON
>>5210360893.5k es125 spiritwowie lil gup got that tasty bait
>>521036249how are half of spear players on suicide watch and the other half are doing shit like this
>>521036249Jon won't like this...
now that the dust has settled
>>521036338Yeah and the same people whining about fast monsters are whining about River Hag. Because all they really want is another D4 where you press a button, the screen explodes and you can play the game while reading a book.
>>521036369>he doesn't know how to build his characterRetard alert!
>>521036249what are you doing to generate frenzies? figured out anything for boss damage?>>521036372the suicidal half of them don't play lightning spear
>>521036430obvious larper
>>521036369>Poo2 hopesissies dont know how to build a basic ES characterYou can't make this shit up.
>>521036430delete this
Seriously what the fuck? Zizaran went crying bitch tears about the act 1 white mobs, too little orbs and bleed on mobs (AS IF THERE WERE ANY ES MOBS!)And ends up getting a blanket list of wishes granted. Does anybody just get everything they aant changed in the game?Oh and they gave ES another fucking buff, as if it needed any.>The passive clusters that grant you additional stun threshold based on your maximum energy shield now also increase your ailment threshold so you will no longer be ignited/chilled/frozen/shocked as often while using CI if you take these passives.FUCKING WOW.Afwul fucking look, literally letting the reddit design your game for you. >>521035405>How do we save POE2?Shut Zizaran up permanently.The hardcore cuck with his>NOOO YOUR GAME CAN'T KILL ME NOOO THE ACT 1 MOBS ARE TOO HARDDoes not represent the rest of the players, let alone if he can't figure out how to disenchant shit.They literally fucking buffed the ES again for him.
>>521036372Unironically because of bad weapon rolls. I rolled a 98% phys damage spear in Act 5 and started deleting everything. Early game just needs much more resources for players. If Jonathan doesn't really want to give Alchemies then the game should at least rain Regals all day long.
>>521036432first off the rape ape has been nerfed several times, second lich isn't big brain.
>>521036369you can have that much spirit in act 1he hasn't gone to machinarium which means he hasn't finished cruel you fucking retard
>>521035026Incidentally it's the best ds game from the series
>>521036372Only half RMTs
>>521036430Anyone who thought they were going to support PoE1 is a fucking idiot. I told you years ago it was dead the second PoE2 launches but you didn't believe me.>>521036534>and bleed on mobs (AS IF THERE WERE ANY ES MOBS!)You haven't tried playing bleed. It is miserable.
i love this keystone
>>521035026yes, but swarming is too strong a word.idk why DS game design is even part of the discussion with poe2, it's a totally different game, design and philosophy wise.
>>521036235>It sucks on bosseslmao nohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrCXlNo33cc&t=427s
>>521036563eternal life
>>521036534Zizaran does represent you. He is your leader. He decides what direction the devs will go. Accept it.
>>521036540So we agree the game is easy and not hard then, lmao.
>>521036372Lightning spear and Rhoa is by far the most anti-vision thing in the game right now. You're basically playing LA in 1.>>521036450Not that guy, but electrocute+neural overload in herald give you all the charges you need for mapping and on bosses you just spam storm lance and mark until you can automate it with CoC. I also use primal strikes because it cranks and gives exposure, but you really don't need it
>>521036734did you mean to post a boss timestamp? because you didn't
>>521036684Oh yeah, well in that case I hate it
>>521036820i never said it was hard, i said the webm was stale bait.
>>521036450>frenziesElectrocute+Neural Overload on HoT, Sniper's Mark for bossing>boss damageExplosive Spear and Storm Lance(with Exposure+Strip Away), one charge is like 15% of most boss' HP if it crits, more if it crits on SM>>521036627I have maybe 15ex of gear on lol
Watching Ziz interviewing made things pretty clear.The dev's vision is to make every single part of the campaign to be "engaging" and "significant".Its crazy to hear this from an ARPG dev that have spent years playing POE1. The whole point of ARPG is not the campaign... People who are REALLY into hard and engaging campaigns will sought it in Souls or actual RPG games. In ARPG games, its almost always about the re-playability and character building.Now everything make sense, we have a bunch of Souls devs trying to build an ARPG game with 0 consideration for players who are into power fantasy and experiment by re-roll multiple characters.It's baffling that they had the perfect ARPG formula from POE 1, and they threw it all away to satisfy their desire to create their ideal RPG game. Wow.
>>521036072That's not different. That's still just walking forward at you and attacking. This is still better and more interesting though.The job of the enemies is to swarm you, that's literally all they do. They don't intentionally block you from reaching the riverhag, they just made them move faster than it, so the funnel of zerg swarm ends up infront of it, with them piled at you and it at the rear. There's no design here.Literally they made one mob slow and others fast, they all still just move forwards towards you with no thinking. I'm talkinga bout having enemies have states where they're not hostile at all and you just kill them. This is a core thing in other games where some enemies literally are just awstruck or frightened or don't make the first move. PoE is opposite where you never feel like you are the aggressor pushing through, you are always retaliating, responding, retreating, because you are rarely the one to make the first move unless you're a ranged character that simply hits them before they can make their way to you.This btw is also why ranged playstyles in this game will always be the best thing you can do. Gone are the days of actually going up to a mob and hitting it with your weapon, GGG made sure of that. This is why everyone is very curious to see what the sword gameplay is like because you can't have swords just spit out aoe's and projectiles like maces and bows can. I legitimately think when swords and daggers finally turn up they'll be last minute additions that are just straight up worst playstyles in the game and no one bothers.
>>521036919>I never said it was hardThe point of the webm is to show its not hard.>calling it bait when it shows that the game isn't hardCoping retard alert!
>>521036914
>>521037030eternal life
>>521036501you don't get 3500 es in act 3 cruel, sister. you don't have the stats yet to wear the gear that gives you that much. so either you're terminally autistic and extremely over-leveled from running the fucking campaign for 72 hours just to level up and get better ES gear because you're a shitter who couldn't even beat the campaign without doing so, or you're lying. both options make you retarded.
>>521036249Oh hey, they added spears to the game.Cool spears there bro. Definitely not a mage just shooting lightning bolts. You are a spear warrior my dude
poebros...
>>521037105>the game has tools that make it ezI will continue to accept your concession.
>>521036716Because enemy ai is enemy ai, it doesn't matter on the game retard. Enemies having more variance and options is only good for gameplay. Enemies that can only run forward and swipe leads your game design to only be able to be retarded and many systems fall apart trying to do anything flexible with that.Everything hinges around what enemies do.
I'm convinced we see so many outliers that are strong while others are shit and still nerfed for no discernable reason because the devs have some extremely petty hatred for anything they need to put in the game for variety but don't personally want to use that goes beyond "muh vision" and "meaningful combat."
>>521037264nah they're just retardedpoe1 has even more dogshit skills than 2
>>521037009They are not souls devs, they are retards who played casters in souls maybe on one playthrough and don't know a thing about souls games. They put a shitty bad version of a dodge roll in the game, that's literally the only comparison to souls games. That's the only mechanic that exists. There's no stamina no weapon movesets no ability to combine gear or dual wield or upgrade gear, no stamina bar, melee combat is non existant everything is a magic spellThe devs are confused and don't know what they're doing, they simply slowed the player down to an insane degree, gave them none of the tools souls games give you to deal with this and then added poe1 enemies and mods into the mix and everything exploded
>>521037160>heh this game is sooooo easy.. see, this monster in the campaign didn't kill me!bravo. go face tank the arbiter.
>>521037264Jon's reactions in the interview made it very likely many of the design decisions are just his personal preferences, and not what is good or liked.
>>521037365>devs design games based on what they personally want instead of what reddit/forums/shareholders wantisn't this what every retard on /v/ and twitter asks for daily
>>521037406with the emphasis on retard
>>521037009Whole point of D2 was the campaign. Only spergs farmed endgame. It was always fun to play D2 from start until you killed hell Baal. After that it turned into autistic grinding just like PoE endgame. Worst type of gameplay.
>>521037365I guaranfuckingtee you Jonathan played Elden Ring with coop summons and a magic laser 'build' and never even beat Fire Giant.I would be shocked to find out any GGG employee actually beat Malenia, the way you fight here is basically completely at odds with PoE mentality where she completely trumps all gear and stats with attack patterns that just overwhelm you and basically the way to kill her is any weapon, even a shitty dagger as long as you just play correctly.
>>521037551>After that it turned into autistic grinding just like PoE endgameno because d2 didnt even have endgame
souls tourist pls go
I'm going to play minions in poe1how retarded am I for going down this route
>>521037343>1 hard fight means the whole game is hardThis retard cannot think on a large scale!
>go witch because I hear there's a lich ascendancy and that sounds cool>play around with Contagion and general chaos over time>clearing pretty well, having fun focusing spells instead of minionsplease tell me this actually scales I don't want to swap builds later on
>>521037128It's the d2 larp we never got to see in poo1 of course it's gonna be strong
>>521037609didn't stop retards from doing a million baalruns and turning them into a multi-billion dollar genre
>>521037294Poe 1 has also been out for years and has more skills in general. Starting out your sequel with mostly dogshit skills is not a good thing
>>521036372Spear skills are martial skills so you need a good weapon.Good gear doesn't drop in the campaign 99% of the time.The people on suicide watch are using a blue they got in act 1 with +1proj and 60% inc phys damage because they've never got anything even close to being better in 2 acts.Spears don't really start getting good until act 3+ and most people gave up after act 2
>>521037636the simple fact that you think not dying to a miniboss in the campaign is a flex kind of refutes your whole argument. you thought that shit was impressive lmao
>>521037609It had autistic grinding of zones and bosses in search of better loot as endgame how is that any different from PoE?
>>521037406It would help if those personal preferences came from actually playing games
Is the current state of the game really as bad as content creators make it out to be?
>>521037745They're massive shills, it's far worse
>>521029174>troons out>mental health inmediatly takes a nosedivewhy do they never learn?
has anyone from ggg mentioned why i cant inspect/compare a before and after for my damage on my skills on the passive tree nodes when i could previously?
>>521037720>The people on suicide watch are using a blue they got in act 1 with +1proj and 60% inc phys damage because they've never got anything even close to being better in 2 acts.Base damage goes up enough to offset that. But having a shitty single phys roll weapon isn't quite enough to have a good time in this game. I had to start trading for better weapons on cruel because bossing started taking way too long.
>>521037619I'm here because John tricked me into thinking I was spending 30 dollars on a good game
poe2bad
>>521037737I didnt say it was impressive I said it was ez. Also your argument keeps shifting because you can’t refute that the game easy as fuck. >its bait>okay its not someone going back to an earlier fight but its bait>fight this hard boss! See the whole games hard>you think that’s impressiveKeep coping lmfao. Games EASY. It only isn't if you have total shit luck or you go out of your way to use shitty skills.
>>521037029>That's not different. That's still just walking forward at you and attacking.The zombies aren't a threat, River witch is. The whole point of the zombies is that they're slow, so they can't reach you fast and they stick close to the river witch for that reason. Meanwhile their collision boxes block you from simply running next to the witch and killing her. Also if you stay and fight the zombies, the river witch kills you with her whirlpools. Thats the design of that monster + zombie squad. The River hag herself is super slow in her movements and doesn't move towards your direction either. When you see Drowned Zombies in a map, expect River Hags.>I'm talkinga bout having enemies have states where they're not hostile at all and you just kill them.Those are not enemies, they're NPCs. PoE 1 had frightened civilians running around in Oriath but they added nothing to the gameplay, they were pretty much the same as the tiny animals running away from you as a pure visual gimmick.>because you are rarely the one to make the first moveThats not true at all. Zombies are way slower than you so you're always the one who manages to strike first. The very first area of POE 2 is zombies and few needle crabs.>Gone are the days of actually going up to a mob and hitting it with your weapon, GGG made sure of that.The fuck do you mean? This very league Warrior was in all the top 10 spots in the Ladder and they weren't spamming totems either, they were spamming Rolling Slam and Boneshatter before switching Perfect Strike.
>>521037745The game is a trainwreck that people wrote off because early access.But instead of this update fixing issues people had with it, they fixed up some mapping problems and released an entire new archetype that sucks ass until you're halfway through the campaign.They exacerbated issues the game had by increasing mob hp across the board for no reason, rolled back guaranteed loot from bosses, and didn't really touch on any fundamental issue with the gameplay.People are fucking livid not because the game sucks, but because it sucks AND it got a good games content delayed for 9 months for it.>>521037843I was overly simplifying it, but the #1 issue that GGG has even acknowledged with that stream is rng variance is causing tremendous issues.
>>521037834i noticed this too, i think it's bugged
>>521037928>D4>Gotta buy the expansion if I want to reinstallyeah pass
>>521037126>"you don't get 3500 es in act 3 cruel">Hopefag doesnt know how to build an ES characterA tale as old as time.
>>521038051>PoE 2>gotta pay $30 to beta test a game which hates you
>>521038112It hates YOU, because you're bad at it
>>521037928I can't believe how smug were Poop2 trannies and how they were spamming everywhere>le d4 bad>le poop2 is the best game everYou all remember it too right? Look at them now holy kek. Look at them and laugh hard.
>>521037009>The dev's vision is to make every single part of the campaign to be "engaging" and "significant".Yes. This made me respect Johnathan and his vision and i completely lost respect for the streamers>Please give me silver flasks and flame dash i promise i still want to kill the mobs trust me im an arpg playerThat I want to kill the mobs was such a blatant lie. He, his viewers and Johnathan all know that the ARPG systems reward skipping the content and rushing for the better loot. Typically and POE2 is trying to punish it.>The whole point of ARPG is not the campaign...Do you understand that if your campaign is not a fun engaged experience, then your campaign is a 5 hours long tutorial. And the five hours long tutorial is fucking shit, GGG already made one game where the players are just running through the entire campaign, it's boring and they hate every moment of that.Johnathan is trying to change the entire attitude, stop you from optimizing the fun out of the game and actually PLAY the entire time, engage start to finish, rather than endure a grueling 5 hour speedrun before playing and then asking to remove it entirely.But what if they actually removed the campaign? You'd still have to do 10 hours of dumb grinding in random bullshit maps with no theme rhyme or reason before your drops and loot are meaningful. When you're saying you don't like the campaign you're saying you dint like the leveling and you want to start lvl 80.And then what? Why not start lvl 100 with pinnacle gear and whole atlas unlocked?Johnathan is saying sit back and enjoy the GAME fight that fucking crab.>But arpgs never been like this beforeJohnathan is trying to fix them.
>>521038141They deserve it.
nobody is buying white bases to chance
>>521038165Absolutely B A S E D postretvrn to pre-chink diablo
>>521038165>That I want to kill the mobs was such a blatant lie. He, his viewers and Johnathan all know that the ARPG systems reward skipping the content and rushing for the better loot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auBT2vjorMIWhy is this character killing all the mobs instead of rushing to the end?
Why does GGG have this obsession with lightning skills??? Other elements feel like poopie expect for some gas cloud builds and the new bleed shit to a lesser extent, feels as if the most optimal build is always some form of shitting out blue
>>521038068we all know that it's not even your webm so the whole thing is moot.
>>521038165>Johnathan is trying to change the entire attitude, stop you from optimizing the fun out of the gamehow many developers have tried this and ended up with a steaming pile of dogshit.is there ANY game in which people nowadays don't just look up the speedrun strats, streamers and optimized DPS builds to be the best? Any? at all?
>>521038141Streamers and youtubers on suicide watch.
>>521038272because they can rig your damage with the spread
>>521038021>rng variance is causing tremendous issues.Which is why they should rework weapon affixes and possibly all item affixes.
>>521038341>is there ANY game in which people nowadays don't just look up the speedrun strats, streamers and optimized DPS builds to be the best?there's a difference between this being possible and this being encouragedit is encouraged to the point of being near mandatory in 1, very few homebrew builds are able to even touch t17s
>>521038270>Why is this character killing all the mobs instead of rushing to the end?Because this is t16 strand he is in the endgame and farms the t17 map drops.Show me anybody who actually plays the acts rather than dashing through them.
>>521038021>rolled back guaranteed loot from bossesdid they even acknowledge this? why the fuck did they do it
>>521038437what makes you think you're entitled to reach T17s? If I'm bad at an FPS, I don't just put it on max difficulty and expect to beat the campaign
>>521038141?launch poe2 is a masterpiece>le d4 badstill is. Worse than current poe2 as a matter of fact.
>>521038576Please present your fact.
>>521038141https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=529kNGNNMacKneel.
>>521038537trying too hard
How long are you people going to collectively shit your pants before you realize the devs are not going to just remake poo1 ( a shit game) just for you. If they thought the game was good they would have just never tried to make another game and rolled leagues for another two decades.
>>521038165I know you're shitpoating, but there is a core issue in trying to make a ARPG with a meaningful campaignARPGs are, at their core, about loot and character customization. In the campaign, no loot drops, your occasional actually good drops are outdated 20 minutes later, and you don't have the resources to customize your character and playstyle, and respecs get prohibitively expensive quickly. These issues can all be improved on, but Jonny boy also wants the campaign to be all scarcity and "challenge" (tedium).Nobody wants to go 20 levels with a crappy blue weapon that they found in act 2. Nobody wants to take notables with drawbacks. Nobody wants to play a build that doesn't get good until you max your ascendacy and get a key unique. Nobody wants to play without league mechanics for 70 levels. PoE is designed to only really be fun in the endgame, and PoE2 just serves you a 20 hour campaign as a fun tax without doing anything to bring the fun parts of the endgame to the campaign.
>>521038640can you present an arpg that is as good as poe 2. hard mode, you can't say poe 1.
>>521038653jonathan gave him $50k to make this video
>>521038294kek I'm glad people are sharing my webm.Is there anything I can clear up?
>>521038686I accept your concession
If PoE2 is a different game why are all of the area mechanics ripped from PoE1 after 6 years of development?
>>521038653looks like a normal well adjusted guy rather than being a soiface screeching retard, no wonder he's having fun
>>521038141Even WOLCEN >>> poe2 0.2
>>521038341>is there ANY game in which people nowadays don't just look up the speedrun strats, streamers and optimized DPS builds to be the best? Any? at all?Yes the players will always try to optimize their play. That means John's job is to make the optimal way of playing the game to have fun. That's why he gutted Spark so badly. Spark was boring but the players had to play it because it's optimal. Boring meta = boring game = ungappy players = failed devs.In POE1 the optimal way to play is to run a grueling boring marathon all day and by the end of it you hate the fucking game and ask for the entire content to be removed.Fast and aggressive mobs in Act 1 exist SPECIFICALLY to punish the speedrunners and force you to have fun. This is exactly what Johnathan meant by >That would hurt the game.
>>521038736you don't need bis gear for the campaign. 10% ms boots from the vendor and then trash off the ground takes you through act 1.you get a dmg rune before the executioner if you feel like your dps is dropping off. the first half of act 2 is dense and the mobs are easy so you will find upgrades before it matters. worst case farm dread for a level and unfuck your res before jamanra, that will carry you halfway through act 3.
>>521039176>and force you to have funThanks I guess, Jonathan.
>>521039176this poster unironically understands the appeal of poe more than most of GGG
Guys can someone tl;dr the interview? There is no way I'm watching 2+ hours of that cringe. Thanks.
>>521039176>That means John's job is to make the optimal way of playing the game to have funthe OPTIMAL way to play has always been, is, and always will be to grab the top DPS build and blast maps/bosses as fast as possible.ARPGs are solved games. You punch in the numbers in the simulator, and you get either a good build or a bad build. Same with gearing in WoW, there's a BIS gear list, and that's it.How is playing the game fun now? When you reduce everything to pure shit, the least shit way to play will still be garbage and feel awful.
>>521039547They will look into it
Ranger Specific Changes>Lightning Rod damage has been increased by 30%, and their duration has been increased to 20 seconds.>Lightning Arrow has had the radius at which it arcs to targets increased by 50%.This still doesn't anywhere close to bring bows back to what they were before right (think LA deadeye in 0.1)
>>521039547>>521024597
>>521039547Devs.>we want thing>thing is not literally just poe1 again>this make people who have played nothing but poe 1 for the last 15 years very angry>see collective shitting of pants that will most likely continue until actual release because they have no where else to go
>>521039584mark really came out on top here.
path of no testing allowed
Hopesissies BTFO
>put 2ex into an item>now 100% more likely to sell for 5-10exoh, i see
How do I figure out what Corrupted actually did to an item? Like not compare before after but if I'm trying to buy something already corrupted
>>521039835https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Corrupted#Corruption_outcomes
>>521039557that could totally be the endgame - but it should not be possible in the campaign and early maps.Jonathan has said this, some easy to get unique, notable, or skill (or combination of those) should not trivialize the vast majority of content.
>>521038736>ARPGs are, at their core, about loot and character customization.There's already is a billion of pure number games. Just loot economy snd progression. Johnathan is trying to add the actual gameplay to the mix.Eve Online is widely praised as the best spreadsheet you'll ever play. Star Citizen became the world's most funded game by promising to make that an actual videogame.Poe 2 is trying to add a real fun gameplay into an old stale genre.>But nobody did it beforeDivinity Original Sin and BG3 revolutionized an old stale genre of turn based RPGs by adding a full interactivity to the world. Finally you can open the door with a fireball, abduct a merchant to rob him, beat a goblin with another goblin, sell your ass to a crackhead, steal a stockpile of Sarin Gas and actually use it instakilling every living thing and do anything you want in the world. Divinity and BG3 have the tabletop level of sandbox creativity in a videogame. It was never done before, they did it first, and it was a massive breakthrough.Just because ARPGs weren't gameplay focused before doesn't mean they can't be.
fucking finally got the shrine hideoutplayed 600 hours in .1 and never saw it
>>521038742Yes I can. See >>521037928 the people has spoken.
>>521039880>some easy to get unique, notable, or skill (or combination of those) should not trivialize the vast majority of content.and i've never heard a good argument for why that should be that isn't some kind of 'you think you do, but you don't'
>>521038736>but Jonny boy also wants the campaign to be all scarcity and "challenge" (tedium).Campaign should be about having fun and experimenting with the new skills you get.
>>521033086Kek and they're not nerfing the braindead OP lightning spear chucking? But they're nerfing GAS AND POISON????
>>521040112You're allowed to clear screens. You're not allowed to 0.1s bosses.
>>521039883Nioh had gameplay in lootslop alreadyhell even Borderlands did
>>521039883I think his point was that Campaign right now is lacking the loot drops necessary to make it a fun experience. And loot drops need to be better if it takes 3 Acts to find a weapon upgrade.
how fucking rare is corruption? I've been mapping all day and I haven't found one corrupted area besides the one I spawned near
Can we admit once and for all that Zizaran is /OurGuy/, he's an excellent player, a based progamer and a comfy entertainer.
>>521036249Literally D2 gameplay but uglier
>>521040389he's shit at the game, sounds annoying and has retarded takes
>>521040390nah it's much prettier and makes me want to reinstall (I know better though)
>>521039883>old stale genremy nigger in christ, the genre was never old and stale. People ABSOLUTELY WANTED more BG2 and Dragon Age Origins, but all large video game companies wanted to make "press X to awesome" action games with loads of MTX.there was no fucking revolution needed, if bioware had stayed true to the game design of DA:O, they could have claimed the entire genre for themselves for nearly a decade. people would have bought BG3 a decade ago without any wacky world interaction.
>>521039835you do what every good POE2G player should do and CTRL click the Item and the vaal orb into the 1488 general, then CTRL click the results and you'll be able to compare it with the hover over in the chat
>>521039576You aren't supposed to be anywhere near as powerful as 0.1 characters. Maybe as powerful as 0.1 maces.
>>521040459do you struggle with reading?
>>521040514you are, just not early
>>521039203You don't NEED BiS gear, but the point of the entire genre is to obtain BiS gear and maximize your power level. If you can't pursue your goals in the campaign then the goal becomes too get out of the campaign so that you can actually start having fun. This exactly is the problem with Jonathan's design philosophy>>521039883>Poe 2 is trying to add a real fun gameplay into an old stale genre.And failing, because the "fun" they're trying to add is not the fun the actual people who play this genre are after. They had a wildly successful game that had been defining the genre for over a decade and they're now trying to abandon the genre as a whole but keep the same loyal players while also attracting players who don't like the genre by forcefully shoving another genre into the game. Unsurprisingly, nobody is happy
>>521040527He's a 1488poster so english is probably not his first language
>>521039880>some easy to get unique should not trivialize the vast majority of contentI'd argue that they've already made the mistake of doing that. The unique crossbow with timed infinite ammo on a reload, the headpiece that consumes a corpse to recover 20% of your hp every 3 seconds. Shit like that absolutely makes the first half of the game trivial. Once you get into cruel you might swap it out, but by then your build should be online and the actual slog of the game is over.
>>521040537Hell no. Ceiling was lowered more than anything. You can still outscale the entire game but it will take more than howa and 4 bells
>>521040579>If you can't pursue your goals in the campaignEvery time you pursue a boss or sidequests for a Skill Book you are pursuing that goal. Campaign just feels like a slog because theres less random variance involved compared to maps. Thats easily fixable by simply adding more variance to the Campaign.
>>521040653>adding more variance to the Campaign.What do you have in mind?
>>521040602Those are called leveling Uniques, they're specifically designed to be a temporary power bump during Campaign. Tabula Rasa was the best leveling Unique in the first game.
>>521039547Its cringe kino, well worth the watch
>>521027704>only banned 300 accounts out of 1000s that abused>only banned the account that sat on the currency in their stash and not the ones that RMT'd the shit out of their exploited currency>only banned until the end of the league
>>521040892>>only banned until the end of the leagueThey shouldn't ban beta testers for beta testing, remember? :^)
>>521040602vast majority of the playerbase will not get those items in the first run and those will be replaced in early mapping
>>521038736>Jonny boy also wants the campaign to be all scarcityAny economy is about scarcity, you are simply moving from one scarcity to another>Scarcity of movespeed boots>Scarcity of 6-link chests>Scarcity of good weapons>Scarcity of awakened gems>Scarcity of magebloods>Scarcity of Original Sin ringsOnce you have everything there's nothing left to look forward to and no point in doing anything, you won, game over.>Nobody wants to go 20 levels with a crappy blue weapon that they found in act 2. If they gave you more weapons you'd say>I want a god tier weapon with a double corrupt! Crappy is always relative. In POE 1 anything that's under 1000dps is crappy. In POE 2 the baseline is simply lower. If you get a good blue weapon and slam a good regal into it - you're the fucking king.>Nobody wants to play a build that doesn't get good until you max your ascendacy and get a key uniqueThey did a lot to cuck the ascendancies and frontload their power for that. >Nobody wants to play without league mechanics for 70 levelsPOE 1 had Legion and Breach in act 1 and they drop absolutely nothing.What you're actually saying is that you don't want to play at low level. You don't like the leveling expensive.And POE 2 is trying to make it fucking fun instead of removing it.Fucking relax and chill. Poe2 is slower and has a lower baseline. So your low level activities are valuable. You can find a good lvl20 weapon for another build and sell it. You can find a worthwhile unique and sell it. You can find a good chancing base and sell it. Stop overlooking the fun.With your attitude you wouldn't have fun no matter what. If they give you lvl1 mapping, the lvl1 breach still isn't going to drop shit for you and you'd ask to remove the leveling entirely. So you basically don't like the entire game.
>>521040653I disagree, campaign feels like a slog because you're putting up with shit skills and supports in maps that are way too big for the promise of eventually getting to the fun part. The goal for many players is to get through that early grind as fast as possible so that they can get to T2 supports, so that they can fill out their tree and ascendencies to get their builds online and start tinkering/having fun. More variety is fine in concept, but if it means as a player I have to spend even longer at the beginning of the game where I don't want to be, then it's going to actively make the game worse to play.
This is my current opinion
>>521040653>Every time you pursue a boss or sidequests for a Skill Book you are pursuing that goalNot when the monsters scale faster than you. Not when 80% of your power comes from great and you're wearing 10 levels outdated 3-mod rares in half your slots. Not when most of the power on the tree comes from jewels. Not when notables have drawbacks on them. Not when half your skill points are spent on travel nodes.Skill points feel like a reward and a power up... at the endgame. Skill points in the campaign are just progress towards being able to play your real build. Nobody is excited for 10% increased damage, and you don't even feel the difference after lvl 5 or so.
>>521031839Im at work dude, stop posting erotic pictures of lily
okwho's the go to guy for this >>521036249what build do i followwhere do i start i am a super brainlet yes thank you
is the game taking forever to load different areas for anyone else?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiFLwjFI4S4Holy shit jonathan was big mad about to burst for the first half an hour Even after that jonathan had to apologize that he was malding for almost 2 h lmao
>>521041010Put fork on LSCongratulations.
>>521040928>PoE 2 makes leveling gear meaningful>by making the campaign a slog so you use the same gear for longerThis is the worst take ever posted in this general. Maybe the entire board
>PoE1 would have been on version 4.04 if PoE2 never existed
>>521036249support gems?
>>521041150gems?what do i level as?items?come on i am utterly retarded anon
why is this so expensive, what's so good about it?
>>521040653Campaign doesn't feel like a slog when you buy a nice weapon and some leveling gear and have access to lv2 and 3 supports when you're doing it on an alt. That should tell you that the issue is with loot, not really the campaign itself. They're basically guaranteeing most people will have a bad time on a fresh start because shit just doesn't drop enough. It's especially bad now that they walked back the boss drops.
>>521040436>BG2You think you do, but you dont. RTVP dnd games on PC are absolute dogshit. Planescape Torment is "the best book you'll ever play" because aside from story the gameplay is abject misery, it's just bad and disfuctional.>RTVP/Neverwinter/bg2 low level wizard>Flings the firebolts every turn and misses>Gets shot once and diesIt just sucks>BG3 low level wizard>Chugs the stolen haste potions>Teleports into position>Casts Thunder Wave>Yeets 5 enemies into the abyss insta killing them.This is literally the first time ever a wizard feels powerful in a DND-based videogame. BG3 were the first to make it actually fucking work and it's amazing
>>521041253the last 2 mods
>>521040932>in maps that are way too big for the promise of eventually getting to the fun part.And if the map would not be empty it would not feel big. The Grelwood forest is a huge area but it doesn't feel huge because it has 4 points of interest in it. Same with the white monke jungle. People complain about the ant jungle but not the white monke jungle, why is that? Because the latter has more side content in it so the area doesn't feel as big.>More variety is fine in concept, but if it means as a player I have to spend even longer at the beginning of the game where I don't want to beAnd if the game had more content like optional bosses strewn all across the early Acts, you wouldn't feel like you're wasting your time playing the early Acts. Its hard to say much about what the final pacing of the game will be because some areas like Dreadnought 1 are obvious placeholders that get removed when we get more Acts. This happened in PoE 1 a lot. Solaris Temple used to have 3 floors instead of 2. There used to be a beach full of Tar Zombies between Merveil Cave and the ghost ship area. Some people still remember Hedge Maze and how terrible that area was in Act 3. Dread Thicket is still in Act 2 mostly as a meme because back in PoE 1 beta people were complaining that its a completely meaningless area (which it was).
>Suddenly shoots to 10 divCUNTHEAD STREAMERS SHOULD BE SHOT
>>521040950poo1 shot themselves in the head years agoit's been a festering corpse of a game only played by mazed retards for agesmost of the reasons poo2 is bad goes back to the roots in poo1 and ggg not reworking all of it when they decided it will be a separate game
>>521041296is the last one not a downside or is it just some confusing way of saying it moves min and max damage upwards (both positives)
>>521040996>Not when the monsters scale faster than you.And they don't scale faster than you if you spend more time in each area. Right now theres no incentive to spend more time than necessary in lot of areas because they're just large areas with a boss in it.
>>521041370Fuck offThe economy is fucked
>>521041289>bg2 low level wizardyou have never played BG2? why wouldn't you outright say this before making up a bunch of bullshit?
>>521041370you don't need to play xy build just because some gay streamer popularized it. plenty of other good builds around
>>521041379it is a downside but you still want the high hit for bleed scaling since you apply the biggest hit bleed
>>521041370it's not even that good compared to a rarethe issue really lies with the chink rmters who price fix everything that is used on stream or in a youtube video
>>521041442Bro your infinite divines from free ritual rerolls?
>>521041442>standardretard
What's the go to build for your starter? I want to slog through the campaign as quickly as possible honestly
>>521041408There is never incentive to spend more time in an area because your goal is to grow stronger, so you want exp and loot. A higher level area will ALWAYS give more exp and loot than a low level area, so your goal becomes to access the highest level areas asap
Can you respec venom draughts?
>Don't disenchant rares>Noo game isn't giving me any currencyThat was embarrassing. It just goes to show you that retarded streamers and redditors think they know how to play the fucking game on day 1. Meanwhile they don't even do the most basic mechanics.
>>521041563If you have a friend who can give you some exalts or starting gear go for crossbows. Mist Whisper destroys early game with basic shot. When it falls off you can swap to bows or buy a rare crossbow.
>>521041563any martial weapon setup and trying to roll a +50% dmg as well as +dmg rings and gloves asapevasion or ES armor for max movement speed
>>521041652I don't think there is right now but they mentioned they want to add a way at some point
>>521041010You don't need some hyper optimized shit or a guide or anything at all, you just want more crit and more accuracy. Volt on LS and Electrocute on HoT are the real build enablers, once you get those and Combat Frenzy. I've been playing LS all the way from act 1 without too much pain but it doesn't really take off until you get to mid act 3 or so. If you can't roll a good crit chance on spear just use one of the 6.5% bases (or the Seaglass which is 10% for some fucking reason)Coming Calamity, Falcon Dive, Lightning Rod, and the Struck Through cluster are all great, some electrocute buildup is good too (using Electrotherapy because fast but Electrocution might be better)t. guy in the webm>>521041442>>521041370anon, you're looking in Standard
>>521041249>gemslightning spear>what do I level asRake+stomp support until you get a decent spear in act 2 and can use primal strikes, then you swap to LS for clearing and primal strikes for bossing alternating between the two for ST.>itemsBe yourself.>>521041289Fuck you loser, BG2 wizards are insanely overpowered from the getgo and are the tankiest/deadliest shit in the game.Also the gameplay of the old infinity engine titles is fine, if it wasn't there wouldn't have been 56 with siege of dragonspear fucking games on it.You'd have had a lot more too if the engine didn't get caught up in legal hell.
Redditors malding and seething is a good thing. The game is in good hands
>>521041674>just keep portaling back to town every 5 minutes so you can get ONE (1) chance at rolling a worthless mod in a pool of 10s of worthless mods every couple hours
anyone has timestamps for when shit was aggressive in the interview please?
>>521041453I'll admit. I didn't have BG2 as a kid. But Neverwinters nights and recent Pathfinder Kingmaker the spellcaster experience is>It gets good after 20 hoursSeriously if you don't believe me give BG3 a shot, just try the early game with a wizard and a Barbarian that can throw enemies it's fucking mind-blowing.You can chug the haste potion as a barbarian, run around the encounter arena, pick up and throw all enemies into a pile and then fireball them with your wizard. You can prepare for s battle by placing the bombs around the field and killing the entire raiding party instantly. It's an absolutely revolutionary gameplay because of the interactivity.
>>521041204
>>521041630>There is never incentive to spend more time in an area because your goal is to grow stronger, so you want exp and loot.And if you get that exp and loot in the area, you spend longer time in that area, why is this so fucking hard to comprehend?
>>521041674they're trying to play like its poo1 ziz is the biggest idiot in regards to this
>>521041740>2x4 items are the only rares in the gameJust continue being retarded
>>521041753bump, anyone has timestamps?
>>521041726thank you is rake and stomp better than bow with stormcaller arrow for the first act?>>521041694thank you too anonbut i am when it comes to poea literal brainlet, i wasn't joking
>>521041753>>521041857embarrassing as fuck
>>521041848I didn't loot a single amulet until a1 cruel
>>521041674kek you are just as retarded as Jonathan.
>>521041894give me the timestamps, everyone is saying it was a shitshow?? where are the clips???
>>521041753why, so you can clap at your monitor and yell WORLDSTAR WORLDSTAR
>>521041896Theres a guaranteed amulet drop in act 2.
>>521037365he confirmed it when he said "we don't want players to be too powerful because if they trivialize the content they won't come back in the future" as if they don't have 12 fucking years of evidence to the contrary.
>>521042046yes, give me the timestamps faggot
>>521042047false
>>521035506Actual truky nuky from the bonglord
>>521041726>Rake+stomp supportDon't forget to ONLY stack STR
>>521042126Don't encourage him to do that or he'll get raped in respec costs once he ascends, amazon wants a fuckton of dex
>>521042160Stomping ground scales with STR though
>>521041960You fail at game mechanics cause you're shit at the game.
>>521041874>is rake and stomp better than bow with stormcaller arrow for the first act?You can complete act 1 with it in 30minutes, it starts falling off in act 2 unless you're specifically grabbing nodes to stack strength or speccing into bleed, so you diverge in mid/late act 2 when you have actual gear and nodes on the tree that let you deal damage unless you have a bunch of gold already in which case you rake can carry you through most of the campaign at the cost of mass respeccing.For bosses you gem swap in conductivity to LS so you can apply a shock in a hit or two until you get more than 2 supports.
>>521041874rake and stomp make the first couple of acts a breeze, you just gotta get some strength, which is fine because that can just be your travel nodes and maybe staunching. strongly recommend the inc damage thing right at the start of the hunter that incs melee if you projectile and incs projectiles if you melee. just take the flaming spear and expedite or something
>>521041442Why does this have 2 crit rolls? I don't play poe2
>>521042187And LS doesn't, and he's going to be in Act 3 when LS comes online and he won't have the gold to redo 10+ travel nodes to make it not dogshit, plus he's going to ascend in Act 2 and obviously prioritize the ackstack node so the Dex will start benefitting immediately
>>521042189>Shitter doesn't realize just how bad he is at gamesKEK
>>521042087True, dumbass.There's a vault in Keth, same area where the snake drops a skill book.The vault always drops at least 1 amulet.Also the grave in act 1 always drops a ringThe camp in act 3 always drops a jewel orb.And since Ziz cried bitch tears about being broke they gonna add a bunch more guaranteed stashes.Imo there needs to be a quest that gives a guaranteed pair of boots with ms. The only thing that's an actual pain in the ass to get.
>>521039547>ziz exposing john>john exposing ziz>mark shilling>7 second silence>alk lost>doomers won
>>521042295That doesn't even make any sense. Maybe because you're fucking retarded.
I'm a filthy casual now. I finally ascended. I went blood mage. I wanted to do a fire blood mage and stack crit and life. Did I fuck up? It might be really shit. I'm thinking I should have gone lich.Well, maybe I'll try again next league unless someone convinces me I'm fine.
>>521036372Because just like Monk, it only ramps up later in the game or if you luckshit a gg weapon earlier in acts.
>>521042382It does because you are genuinely too retarded to understand what Ziz was saying in regards to disenchanting rares.Just like Jonathan, turbo shitters both of you.
>>521042220>>521042242so rake + stomp support for act 1 then go ls+conductivity support?
>>521042396>Did I fuck up? are you enjoying it? then no? obviously? what were you hoping to do. what do you mean by fucking up. take it as far as you can, man. then go further in your next build, which could even be the same build but now you have more knowledge
>>521042378Alk is having a blast dudethe worse the game gets the more fun he has
>>521042378my favorite part was when ziz was crying about his build being fucked and mark said he would snapshot it to test it>well wait i actually speced into regen and stuff so yeah it's not even that bad now
>>521041674He was gambling instead because it had higher chance of giving good stuff. Gambling gives better item rolls than monsters or chests but not as good as big reward chests or bosses. Problem with disenchanting is that if Rares don't even drop on the ground as much, then you don't have anything to disenchant for Regal Shards in the first place. In early game, especially Act 2 all chests seem to give almost consistently just blue items and nothing else. Blue weapons are not going to feel good to use for Huntress or Warrior.
>>521042437Jonathan explained it to the retarded streamer live on cam. Ziz wasn't even disenchanting anything, he was expecting regals to drop right into his asshole like the rest of reddit.
APOLOGIZEbigoted toxic gamers
>>521041674>Hope sissies unironically port back to town every 5 minutes to disenchant their inventory so they can get a single orb after several hours that adds a single affix onto a single item out of 50+ affixes which then needs to be spammed with exalts to be worth using over randomly generated rares from the ground or vendorAnd they have the gall to call everyone else retards
>>521042582You are actually as retarded as Jonathan HOLY KEK
>>521042478rake stomp brutality. spearfield is really good for essences and bosses that walk. you can slap rage on there to fill that up fast. exploding spear with expedite gets the explosion down to 1.5 and then you get the plus limit thing. disengage.you can start with just whirling slash and this exploding spear and then disengage. whirling slash is especially good waiting for the spear to explode because everything will be blinded if you just hang out in the middle. disengage or rolling out will explode the splash too, so exploding dagger -> exploding whirling slash. then you just rake away
>wake up>animefag is still on his 12 hour long meltyBro give it a rest even the alkcord moved on
>>521042594>abusing elon is more fun than playingkeke
>>521041204poe1 is half a year overdue for another atlas expansion and new pinnacles, you just know that shit is abandoned for good
>>521042594>Trump announces 420% tariffs on New Zealand for seemingly no reason
>>521040107Neither of which are present.
>>521042747didn't he already do that
>>521042594well thats a real headlinewe live in a society
LS with Herald of Thunder already feels sick from the first time you use it.
>>521042478Until you get a good spear/spear nodes/lightning nodes which is probably level 25-30For LS you use martial tempo+innervate for clear, swap innervate to conduction for bosses.For primal strikes you use concentrated effect+lightning infusion.After that it's pretty smooth sailing and I'm sure there's a billion guides out now how to keep frenzies generated.
>>521042701Dude was already mentally unstable, the interview must've sent him fully over the edge.
Daily reminder that the head kiwi of GGG, Jonatron WOODFULL Rogers, was raped twice yesterday.Once, by our god queen, ds_lilly, in her based wisdom called the new campaign bosses shit.And for the second that day, live on stream, by the blue haired logoutcoreGOD, Zizachad, unlubed, with Mark watching and enjoying it.Never forget this day, doomGAWDS, we won biggestly
>>521042861thank you!
I feel i should watch the interview but i can't deal with cringe
>>521042580Keep farming til you get something decent. This is the most basic arpg thing.
>>521042594>>520989781
>>521042478>>521042861You can also add in Lightning Lance + Jump + Primal Strikes combo if you're too lazy to constantly swap support gems. 1 Lance + Jump clears white mobs while you're dashing across the map, 2 Lances + Jump clears blue mobs, 3 Lances + Jump Heavy Stun and Electrocute Rares and bosses for the Primal Strikes.
steel is ripping jonathan another one open on stream right now
>>521043041Why do you faggots all say this just watch it and stop being more autistic than jonathon for 2 hours
>>521043068>approximate flight time: 5 minutesdo people even read the shit they reply to
>>521043068How is it possible for a single man to be THIS pathetic.
>>521043205>poorfag jealous
>>521043225Oh hey Elon, made it past Geonor in HC yet?
Huh, Eternal Life on the lich ascendancy makes it so LITERALLY nothing can change your life while you have energy shield. Can't heal, can't use the well, nothing. So you can take this node and get super fast es recharge
>>521043101he sounds like a filtered little BITCH
>>521043321How do you make sure you aren't on full life if your life can't change tho? Intentionally go to like act 2 and let them hit you until your HP isn't full?
>>521043321Is that really a problem though? When your ES goes to 0 and your Life bar almost empty, the very first panic reaction you get is press the Flask button.
>keep dying to viper chungus>make a multiplayer lobby>no one's joining>try and die a few times>eventually a witch joins in with minions and curses and just shits all over her while i die repeatedly>he keeps reviving me in the middle of the fight while his minions tank the boss>he basically solos the whole thing while reviving me repeatedlyfucking gigachad.
was trying to find the dev interview and this was the first video suggested topkek
>>521043440the early poe2 glazing from streamers always felt fake
>>521043440doomers vindicated once againwe all told the hopecucks the game sucked, but they were too wrapped up in hype and fomo to see it
>>521043393yeah you let something tickle you. I'm playing hardcore and even then I find that my entire pool doesn't get depleted very often so I rarely if ever have to use my life flask and reset it
Stinky game
Diablo was never an ARPG it stole that term as a marketing ploy to tell people it's an action game, because at the time action games meant actual action games.ARPG was already a well established genre existing for a decade+ with japanese games like Dragonslayer and Zelda. This branding of Diablo etc as an ARPG worked on neckbeards to tell them they're cool action gamers and DEFINITELY NOT dorks playing a diceroll over and over for number png's to collect.The games people call ARPG in terms of Diablo and PoE are actually Isometric Looters, wikipedia lists Diablo waaaay down the page on ARPG as a subgenre, nothing more. The action nor the rpg is a primary function of the gameplay: you cannot create your own character or traits or actually roleplay properly, and the action is barely one step past turn based combat. You could say PoE is still technically turn based because hit accuracy exists, it's just technically lots of very fast turns occurring. ARPG hit a fork in the road when Demon's Souls was created and this is now mainline ARPG to all those concerned in the wider gaming landscape.No one wants to play clicky clicky games that waste your time and steal your life to farm for items that get patched and nerfed and outdated and what not. To sink your life into these games is actually losing, it's playing a bad build, as you would say. It's much more efficient to play an ARPG where you don't waste time, you kill the enemies they drop gear, you upgrade and you beat the game and then go back to fucking stacey and raising your children.
>>521043602Thats what your foster fathers call your mother.
is jonathan's vision for the game just dark souls + bullet sponges? kinda dumb, like an artificial difficulty rather than an actual challenge.
>>521043641
>>521029174Wow, way to completely ruin your life and body. What a fucking retard.
>>521042986Magnificent tits on him
>>521043568>Campaign is 11 hours long even for someone like Ben (formerly Darkee (formerly Lightee))>Already plan on continuing the League formula from PoE 1>You will have to go through the campaign every 3 fucking months just to get to the new contentHow is it possible that so many people didn't see this issue right away?
>>521043649poe2 is nothing like dark souls though
>>521029174games like this attract the mentally ill. just look at streamers. i think quin is the only semi normal one.i think poop of excrement is about to get the speedrunning/gdq treatment.
You need MF even for campaign
>>521030730Wrong. Mark turned poe 1 around and has fun with it after several years of it being dead. Settlers (not necessarily the league mechanic, but the patch overall) is the best poe 1 has ever been, and that was all Mark. He really started to turn the game around and revive it starting a few leagues before that when they finally stopped putting it on the backburner for poe 2 (until 3.26 again and). Before this, poe had several leagues where they decided they weren't going to buff and nerf anymore so we had the same stale gems for ages.Put Mark in charge of both and delegate work to Jonathan and others.
>>521043393>Intentionally go to like act 2 and let them hit you until your HP isn't full?Take off your gear and cast a spell with lifetap.Holy shit this is so fucking thematic I'm creaming myself over it.>Be Lich>Go to your hideout>Actually perform a ritual on yourself>Freeze yourself in a half-dead state foreverABSOLUTE CINEMA. Literally immersive and lore based gameplay, an ARPG that actually makes you do the lich things to play as a lich.The node is broken AF but i pray they never change it snd it becomes the part of the game's identity.
>>521043641Around the time diablo was coming out zelda was known as an "adventure game" now that is a term i have not heard in a while.
>>521043814You have to remember that 300,000 people just didn't bother doing that. To the average dad gamer that was mindlessly sucking off GGG 5 months ago pogging out at the EPIC campaign this isn't an issue because he didn't come back for the update.
>>521043426Bro? Your parry?
>>521043994I'm currently very pessimistic about PoE 2 but Lich is actually really thematic, rare Jonathan W, he's quite in need of them too.
>>521043649His vision for the game was:Slow the player down to Dark Souls 1 fatroll speed.Leave enemies same speed.Make armour useless, make enemies stun you out of attacks.Make the combat and animations for attacks more sluggish than dark souls with none of the impact or cool factor, nothing fun like Zweihander smashing, none of the quality, incredibly repetitive and limited system.All the skills revolve around shitting out some kinda ailment and elemental aoe.Make the maps 12 years long of the same 4 corner pieces and the same 5 enemies just to pad the experience out.Expect soulsfans to line up in droves to suck at the poe2 teet and give all the mtx moneys and come back every 3 months.They think the game is shit and leave forever.If Jonathan expects 1.0 to be more playercount than early access he's retarded. Early access was the release of the game. They cuckolded people for years, had 2 conferences, they built up the game so much and then everyone was goaded into getting in and trying it out, but it turned out to be puddle deep. All these items that do nothing, all these skills that are samey, all these character classes that just feel like reskins.There is no fucking way in the world people are going to get excited to play Act1 - 3 again for 1.0 and get really excited for this.GGG has had their peak player count for the history of their company past and future. They will never top the PoE2 early access numbers, ever.
>>521043814they are making it faster to go through act 3 at least. just need to get them to let us respec skill gems and add some more QoL and ill be happy
>>521043994>>521044086Also I don't think it's THAT broken, it's very high value for Lich but at the end of the day it's just faster start of recharge, most ES builds will already be near Patient Barrier because that node is just retarded and take Convalesence while they are there for usually just 4 points.
>>521044140>let us respec skill gemsWhat does that mean? Just pick a skill gem from the ground and carve a new one.
>>521044018Adventure games refer to shit like Monkey Island, Grim Fandango, Myst, etc.
>>521044018>adventure game"Adventure game" became the term for the softcore quests like Dreamfall and then the genre died.Shit man. You just made me remember The Longest Journey and stirred up some serious childhood nostalgia. I don't even remember anything, just the feelings.Fuck man.
>>521026919DOG SHIT OF EXILE 1GOD SHIT OF EXILE 2
>>521044241That's kind of the problem, if you try to experiment on a league start you just won't have enough gems until end of Act 2/mid Act 3, let alone having enough support gems.
G'day faggots, hows the mood?Skipped the interview, just woke up. Is it over? Are we so fucking back?Is the vision do be visioning?
>>521043545It's scary how transient the line between paid shilling and genuine brand bootlicking is.
same time every fucking day
>>521044321Jonathan tried to attack Ziz through the webcam and they had to pause the whole thing and reset the camera
>>521041801I have played BG3, and I think BG2 is vastly superior to it. Just compare the two tutorial dungeons of both games. The amount of BG2's lore and encounters there alone is rivaling BG3's entire first act, including its tutorial dungeon. The "revolutionary" gameplay is being able to drop items and then interact with them, which usually just results in players placing traps (which you could do in BG2 with various classes, including spellcasters) or reaching higher places.And in the end, with all those "revolutionary" design decisions, you are left with an RPG that has comically bad writing. I was bored with the terrible world after reaching the mushrooms, and I won't come back. Even PS:T was able to capture my attention till the very end.
>>521044321Some say some Doomies died of heart attack yesterday because they got too excited from Jonathan being publicly humiliated several times.
>>521044387Killed my HC earlier to it.Love this game.
>>521044321the wrath of JonaGod was stayed and good things are coming
>>521044182>Also I don't think it's THAT brokenBro if you get soulless form, corrupted atziri and the tree nodes you get>30% of all damage is taken as nothingAnd then you get to add Final Barrage (cast speed on low life) and stack a bunch of other low life bonuses.Plus Blood Magic literally makes your spells FREE cast spells using nothing. You don't need the mana or mana regen, literally just go all ES and damage.Eternal Life is the most busted shit ever.
>>521032114Am I missing something? Does this make flicker unlimited for free?
>>521042594i thought comedy was legal now?
>>521044105"soulslike" was used as shorthand for 'we want bosses to be more mechanical fights that can fuck you up if you fuck up.'if they wanted to slow the game they wouldn't have just added a bird that lets you run around attacking shit at full speed, or an attack the one taps screens.
>>521044287>if you try to experiment on a league start you just won't have enough gems until end of Act 2/mid Act 3,What do you mean? You get far more useless skill gems than anything else. Thats the one item type that doesn't have drop rate issues. You're not using them to level up skills you don't use are you?
>>521044537Yeah but I think they'll sooner target that by adding downsides to Soulless Form/Eternal Life
>>521044287Farm nigga, farm.
>>521044579which is even dumber because I can barely remember any bullshit one hit mechanics in soulslop games that was not obviously telegraphed and was single move, instead of drowning the whole fucking arena in it like a shitty mmo raid boss
>>521044446>with an RPG that has comically bad writingIts actually really good. The old RPGS like PST and BG1/2 had a very high standard of writing but BG3 is almost up there. It's designed for two playthroughs, the regular character, and then Dark Urge who actually is the main character of the story and set the entire thing in motion before getting literally lobotomized.
>>521044321Tense. Ziz was aggressive the entire time and Jonathan got progressively angrier. Essentially it boils down to>we're doing the best we can>we've already thought about these things but we couldn't implement them in time>we're shooting from the hip and we'll work on things as we go alongNo minds were changed in terms of core philosophy. They were talking past each other the entire time. Yes, you paid to be an alpha tester. It was overall a waste of everyone's time, other than just a reassurance that GGG is working on some buffs.
>>521044625maybe he means support gemsim always running out of thoseor spirit gems(uncut gems are a dogshit system and anyone who thinks its good should be ______ in real life)
After the interview I came to the following conclusion:>Players must not be fastThat's literally it. That's the extent of Jonathan's "vision". Don't be fast when moving and performing an action.
>>521044463It was pretty funny seeing Jon legit seething,Ziz looking miserable knowing he has to continue playing a shit game to keep relevant,poor Mark
>>521044749Put on the anime image troon
>>521044796He was really malding for the first hour, if ziz would've read out loud what people were saying on reddit i bet he would've started crying in anger lmaop
>NOOOO THIS GAME SUCKS I HAVE TO USE MORE THAN 1 SPELL TO KILL MOBS
>>521028108Everyhing was fine when they just let you roll through mobs.
Pressing two different buttons rather than pressing the same button twice doesn't make your game deeper.
>>521044786>Don't be fast when moving and performing an action.Movement speed is one of the best stats in any game not just Arpgs. If you buff player movement to ridiculous levels, then monster movement also has to be buffed to ridiculous levels and we're back to square one of zooming through maps and getting random oneshot deaths out of nowhere. Players going superfast is impossible to balance.
>>521044796I feel like all they have to do is swap the power dynamic between Jonathan and Mark, currently it seems like everything Mark wants to implement is blocked by Jonathan.Swapping the dynamic would mean they finally remove some of the cancer aspects while Jonathan would still be able to block changes that would make the game actually become too much like PoE 1.
>>521044882Yes
>we want challenging, meaningful, important, gameplay for every single enemy in the game including white mobs>oh but we respawn the whole map if you die and respawnFUCK YOUdouble speaking SHEEP FUCKERS
>>521044882Nothing changes the fact that the game is fucking boring, that it has shit drops that are not worth looking forwards to or that it pigeons you into Johnathan's shitty DnD class archetypes.
Hire more people. Split the studio into two teams. Let Mark lead the PoE1 team. Let Jonny Boy lead the PoE2 team.Here, I solved it.
>>521028867TOPKEK HOW DID NO ONE NOTICE THIS POST? WHY IS THAT SHIT SO HUGE?
>>521044867Expecting random bruising and a black eye on Mark next time we see him publically
>>521044579They don't know what kind of game they're making. One tapping the screen is a result of the way monsters work (don't work) in the game and require you to delete them all immediately.Everyone was excited for PoE2 because they were slowing it down. They sold it as that from the beginning and everyone was actually relieved and hyped for this. They wanted it slowed down in a GOOD way, where you're still action packed destroying things and dropping loot but don't require screen fulls of zerglings being squashed to do it.The issue is they released PoE2 with this slow, shitty clunky player character system with bad combat and animations, and put it up against literally unchanged PoE1 monster mechanics. People were expecting the monsters to be more diverse in speed, mobility, encounter, that there would be an ebb and flow to the combat. Maybe instead of screen clearing to get some unique to drop, you kill some tough mob on the map that is interesting to fight.Instead we got absolute dogshit, it was unironically the insistance last minute to make the game like PoE1 but also PoE2 for some reason that killed this game. They did absolutely no work on the monster side to work with the system they were supposably building the game around, they told us time and time again that melee combat was the entire point of PoE2, then dropped a game where only 1 melee weapon exists, everything is lightning explosions and the actual combat is dogshit repetitive as ever. The game people were excited to play after Exilecon 2 no longer exists. We were shown footage of huntress with spears actually using the spears but now she's just a sorcerer holding a spear.
AAAAAAAH STOP DISCONNECTING ME
>attempt to create meaningful combat>give no meaningful defensive optionshow long will it take for them to figure out their mistake?
>>521044805>Jonathan, these mobs are moving at literal light speed and they're up my ass, literally right up there, the entire time>there is no meaningful engagement here, there is no gameplay, there is escape, you can't disengage in any way, and it is kill or be killed>okay but you see we don't want things to be too slow because the game must be difficult something something>no, Jonathan, this isn't about difficulty>there is literally nothing you can do to meaningfully engage these mobs other than to kill them or die>okay but you see we don't want things to be too slow because the game must be difficult otherwise I go sweepy and take nappy time now
Did anyone catch what Jonathan said yesterday? He said something among the lines of>Now that the medicine is out of the way we're going to [...]I distinctly remember this medicine analogy from Rod Ferguson. My belief is these retards have attended some dev conventions and heard this terminology and are now implementing it in their games.This is why PoE2 is current going down the path of D4 in terms of rise and fall of popularity.
>>521028867>>521045003Better question is why doesnt the big bubble do anything at all? Is slow magnitude tied to the size of the bubble and the bug that makes it the size of the screen also makes it completely useless?
>>521044882yes
>>521044749More like>I'm getting swarmed and overwhelmed in Act 1 the monsters are unvearableWeird it didn't happen to me>The monsters are so fast you cant combo them how do i play?Weird that didn't happen to me>Im broke and i don't have any orbsDid you try disenchanting?>No Well you should, its your main income>Also I don't have the gold for respecsWhat? It's already so cheap I'm respecing all the time, it feels like it's free>Well i gambled all my gold awayYou should try disenchanting and crafting instead.>OoohIt was so fucking embarrassing.Maybe if Ziz disenchanted and bought shit from the vendors instead the Act 1 wolves wouldn't be killing him.
this redditspacing schizo has been rambling about dark souls for hours now, what the fuck
>Tempest reqired comboing 4 skills for maximum effectiveness>Nerfed>Lightning spear buffed to now it's just hold down one button to clear screensWhat is the vision?
>>521045005Kek
>Jonathan BTFO reddit>now they are crying that GGG doesn't want the game to be another PoE1 or d4 copyprinciple chads keeps winning
>>521045103LS did not need the buff to be able to do what it's doing
>>521026919>GGG gets hacked>tells users they were not hacked>forced to tell users they were hacked>refuses to implement free google authenticator 2fa.Imagine what Jonathan will do now ziz destroyed him..
>>521045043samegot dc'd 5 times now
>>521045146And now it's doing it even betterer
>>521045037absolute trvthvke
>>521045083>le one personI also here because jonatron tricked me saying it was souls, it's not souls enough I want my 30 fucking dollars backI would unironically enjoy this game more if it was just Act 1 > Maps and you could pvp grief people in clearfell with an invasion mechanic
just sold this for a div (im in act4)wondering if i shouldve asked for more...servers down btw?
Imagine this is better than my helmet atmFUcking imagine
I'm seriously struggling to progress.>no loot so I can't make upgrades>can't make upgrades so I can't take on higher reward maps>lost every rare map I've put in due to deaths, including the first nexus>just lost a boss map to the dc so gg I'll have to go find another one to go up another tier>the gambler may as well be throwing my gold away, everything's absolute trash and only magic at thatWhat the fuck did they do to loot this league? I had no issues last league.
>>521044387third time losing a shitting spire tower instancekill yourself GGG
>>521045306>>521045306>>521045306>>521045306
>>521044882I'm using only lightning spear howerebeithoughever?
I waited 15 minutes to post but I have nothing to say.
>>521045324>lost every rare map I've put in due to deaths,Theres your problem, git gud. Don't roll dangerous maps your build can't handle yet.
>>521045037>They sold it as that from the beginningthey didn't though, from the actual beginning it was 2 campaigns leading to the same endgame. there are some concessions made to the player because the player can constantly be moving while attacking, as fast as you are in poe 1 you are constantly stopping to attack or cast, excluding a few skills which are weaker to account for the mobility, cyclone, bv, worb. you can still zoom in poe 2 if you want to, all the mechanics/skills/uniques are there to do it, and there will be more.
>>521045454>Don't roll dangerous mapsThey're only dangerous because I have no res at all and fuck all life because I'm getting no loot.
>>521044882This is what ARPGs have always been. It is this gameplay loop that built and grew GGG from some pissant kiwi garage dev house to where they are today over the course of a decade. It was working and it works. Who asked for combos? STFU Jonathan.
>>521044747>Its actually really good. Dude, I have met all a1 companions and did all quests there, and I strongly disagree. They make absolutely no sense in how they act towards the player. Everyone is a joyful retard with a dark past who will attack you at night or blow your entire party up if you don't pay them tribute. There is no nuance to them, like they all crawled out of the same brew of toxic positivity and a worst of quirky OC do not steal player characters. The whole evil druid vs poor devil refugee questline to subvert expectations is the second warning you get about the dogshit writing.Once I reached the mushrooms, I realized why everything was put into the game: Not because someone had to tell a story. No, some designers thought "X is cool, it should be in a game, and then we write a story around it". And up until the underground, every single encounter felt like this. No coherence, no greater plan, just bombard the player with retarded shit at all times. Fuck this game, I never asked for this.
Just took a massive poe 2
>>521045037
>>521043198Perhaps it's like the default shortest time it can register
