Store link:https://store.steampowered.com/app/2378900/The_Coffin_of_Andy_and_Leyley/# Guides (Major spoilers; avoid until having played through the game once):>Routes & Subrouteshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3050501797>Achievementshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3050231198>Starshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3053199741>Complete Episode 2 Walkthroughhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3052417644# News:>CHAPTER 3A HAS BEEN RELEASEDhttps://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2378900?emclan=103582791473416093&emgid=523086940514289223# Nemlei's previous games:https://mega.nz/file/FSFXURYI#FhEp5w4qMv4w0A0mMfQ4YqLD5TJuve014_-eTNdIbSIPrevious thread: >>520994364
I forget when this shows. Something about you not being buried in the same graves?
Every time Ashley smiles, an angel gets its wings.
Ashley did not rape Andrew.
Why is she aura farming
The lesson from this episode is clearly to beat women or else you'll be locked in the cuckshed
>>521057481I'm pretty sure this is for when you fail to convince the cops, but I might be mixing it up for another one.
Ashley (not leyley) will love her inbred kids
Remember burying their problems instead of dealing with the decay head on is the bad ending
>>521057481I think it's the ending where you fail to trick the cops in Shots and Such.
>>521057481When they get arrested by the cops in Carl's appartment
>>521057608>kidsyou'd think they'd learn to use protection after the first
Andrew playing with Ashley's hair
>>521057631There is a good and a bad ending in each. No bad route or good route
>>521057631but Decay sucks ass (not in quality)if part 4 is more of part 3 I am worried what Burial would be
>>521057631No it isn't, Nemlei herself said neither burial nor decay are better or worse than the other, it's more about who's gonna be the one fixing things.
>>521057631Reminder that no route is defacto a bad or good ending.
Stick.
Reminder SnS is the canon in-character ending and anything better is wishful thinking guided by ooc actions
>>521057526>one party is intoxicated>the other is soberThat's all it takes
>Grandpa's POVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNE2oCZH_4k
>Andrew! Wait, I changed my-->[plap]>Wa-wait, wait! Andr->[plap, plap]>Go—*hic* Please! God's watching—>[plap, plap]>God's *watching*, Andrew! God is watching!!>[plap plap plap plap]>He's wa—Oh go-*whimper*>[plapplapplapplap]>Oh god god's watching oh god god OH GOD!!
>>521057679The first one was an accident.They had another one because Ashley thought the first one should have a friend.Ashley insists the third one was also an accident but Andrew can't help but think it was unusual that the condom had more holes than Swiss cheese, not that he cared enough to put a different one on.The fourth was another planned one because Ashley thinks siblings should come in pairs.
>>521057959S&S is the Canon bad ending out of 2 endings for each route
>Decay (2/2)>"Will be in development for a very long time."I know a month is like centuries for the mind of a modern zoomer but this did make me ponder quite a few things. Like, how long are we talking about? I can easily excuse and probably make a void where I can skip a year and get back in here but Nemlei wrote this as if we are talking about several years. Like, yeah no shit it will take time. I've worked on RPGmaker games myself, its among the easier engines but still is hard on the way nemlei is using itThis is also begging me to question the scope of the game because if It is meaning what I think it means, then we might be getting as much if not more than what Decay part 1 brought us which makes me a bit concerned. I am definitely confident that nemlei can pull it but I have witnessed way too many creators like nemlei who got too confident with their ability to make a masterpiece who just end up eating cow shit and end their reputation as a whole by making their work way too bloated or just have a shitty ending. I have experienced this way too many times. Nemlei is genuinely talented on her craft and possibly one of the greatest writers of our modern times but even then I am afraid of the tumble and fall because Nemlei femoid nature just makes it that she takes some complaints to heart which I fucking pray doesn't affect how the ending plays out. I want it to play naturally, like Splat or S&S ending (Not bad but just those that go naturally with the story). No sudden changes or plot twists that fuck up the entire story.
>>521057959True!
>>521058015SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>521058015Sex with Julia!!!
>>521057631I hope Burial is going to be an entertaining shitshow.
>>521058078Chapter 2 was released in Q4 of 2023. We got DecayA a week ago, and I imagine it will take the same amount of time or more. At this point I'll get buried before we see Burial released.
>>521058038>S&S>bad endingIt's the best ending, pure and unfiltered ludokino
>>521058015Was it rape?
>>521057959Anything and everything you can make Andrew or Ashley do in gameplay IS "in-character", that's why the Olive Branch "endings" are a "brain tumor vision" and not just a choice you can actually make in Episode 2.
>>521058078Script has been long done. So there probably won't be much changes to it anymore
>>521058078Probably a year, give or take.Decay Part 1 did take a year and a half, but partially due to setbacks with the engine issues, gameplay wise it's already completed but it needs art remaining.
>>521057263>Andrew doesn't want to have sex with Ashley even after he's become an outcast because he thinks he would be exploiting her dependency on him and playing on her insecurities>Ashley thinks he won't fuck her because she's not good enough for him to screw. Her insecurities get worse because she thinks he values morals and other hussy pussies more than herSo the moral of the story:Just fuck her???
>>521057984yankee renee a cute
>>521058360That guy is just trying to bait. It's pretty clear where the story is going so not much to discuss so jerks start baiting
>>521058462Always has been. That's what I've been screaming at the screen since ch1.
>>521058015You missed the part where he tells her to shut up so he can imagine his sisters voice.
>>521058462Moral of the story is don't succumb to your personal demons and insecurities and don't shut them out, be honest and try to work things out.
>>521058520>breaks her back trying to swing the batcute
>>521057631I sincerely want to see the face of normalfags when they realize right path also leads to the incest ending anyway
>>521058015>You know if I did you from behind it would be easier for both of us and more comfortable huh?>(now I don't have to look at her face)>*jams it in*>[plap]>(God damnit she's dry this lubed condom is working wonders)>Sorry ashJULIA it's my first time haha[plap plap]>*pulls her arms from behind*>[plap plap plap plap]>There we go>Holy fuck she wont shut up it's killing me [hums classical music to himself]>[plap plap plap plap plap plap]
>>521058015>andrew wasnt into thisWhat a gigantic fag
>>521057526Based on US laws, she did.
>>521058581The real moral of the story is more like: >Don't become parents if you can't afford to love your kidsAKA>Use the fucking protection
>>521058581How I actually think part 2 will end
>>521058462God they are too fucking cute.
>>521058773I wonder if it will be a concious choice for the player, or it's gonna be predecated on if you have an engagement ring.if he doesn't, Andy wins, and Andrew agrees to lose his feelings for Ashleyhe has the ring is Andrew and Ashley win, and he chooses to give them a chance
Andrew didn't deserved her
>>521058986Holy shit, she's a witch, burn her
>>521059084calm down, anonit's a halloween costume
>>521059126She's flying on a broom, she's a witch, burn her at the stake
>>521059126It's not, she's really a witch. She put a spell on my heart
>>521059237
>>521058924Since there is only one ending left. I bet there will be a few failstates with him getting rid of his feelings
How does Andrew bounce back from being SAed so quickly?Hes mad for like half an hour then jumps right back in that hole
>>521058986The game would be 100% cooler if every character was some sort of magician. It's very on-brand for Nemlei.
>>521059478because he wasnt raped
>>521059478To be fair, he was on the verge of killing her, and himself, and does so in SPLAT ending.He only survives due to some lingering sentimentality towards her and condemns them to miserable co-existence, presumably until one of them kills the other in a fit of drunken rage.
Literally everything in this game could have been avoided if Andrew had spanked Ashley for misbehaving..
>>521058986Cute witch.
>>521059478Because it's not the fact that it happened, it's the fact he's given into his feelings but to the Leyley personality.
>>521059478It's just another for the list of ways SHITley exploited him
>>521059618Literally everything in this game could have been avoided if Ashley never killed Nina
>>521059618Alas, Renee prevented him from doing that.
>>521059654>Ashley never killed Nina>AshleyStop coping Andy.
>>521058531>jerks start baitingHe's probably like me and thinks S&S is the most natural outcome for A&A
>>521059618That's not allowedNOBODY punishes Renee's daughter (not even her)
>>521059602even in that ending he asks to fuck again>>521059640i think its thishe really wanted to fuck Ashley but only got Leyley
It's been too long. I don't remember anymore. Who even is Ashley? As opposed to Leyley?
>>521059802I think the most natural ending so far is the one where they get arrested, it's hard for me tobelieve the cops' brains are so made of shit they just let this shit slide, and two insane idiots were able to fool them
>>521059776You're right, fagdrew also helped but Ashley was the one who put Nina there
>>521059520He never says he regretted having sex with here the next day, just the circumstances of it
>>521059878No scientific proof was ever found of a person identifying as 'Ashley' existing. It's all Andy's cope.
What ending is the one Andrew rips Ashley's head off?>>521059896To be fair they have supernatural entities helping them get away with it
>>521059878Leyley is the Ashley that refuses to grow up and always causes trouble. Unfortunately for Andrew he only gets Leyley because he gave Ashley severe trust issues.
>>521059802>S&Snta but it's best ending, I love the awful way their awful selfs turn out. They are clearly miserable, yet they got a semblance of what they wanted in the first place, but it's clearly not enough and twisted as fuck, so even then they are still miserable yet they chug along cause they want it THAT bad, till one of them breaks.
>>521060037That's not an ending, it was part of his vision when he used the trinket
>>521059334>getting rid of his feelingsThe only way Andrew gets rid of his feelings is by blowing his brains out>>521059478He wanted to fuck her anyways, but he wants it to be special
>>521059878Leyley is Ashley's protective persona, someone she pretends to be to face adversity and loneliness and rejection, acting out to pay back perceived slights, She's an annoying brat who is obsessed with her brother and wants to boss him around.Ashley is the perceptive girl who loves her brother, sees him for who he is, accepts him, and wants to spend the rest of her days with him, even eloping with him,Ashley is someone she could mature into, but unless Andrew is willing to accept her, she sees no reason to, so she stays as Leyley and takes their relationship for a joke that it is.
>>521060067If only he didn't push her away when she was opening up. But sadly it was a really normal reaction for someone who is in love with his sister but trying to be normal
Never let BPD into your life
it is incredible how many problems can be solved just by having sex with your sister
You should let BPD control your life.
>>521060115Well yeah ofc. But I mean the demon offered it to him. That's what I mean getting rid of them. But by doing that he would no longer be Andrew
Listening to Creed with Julia on a sunday afternoon
>>521059237Did you know brooms are made of wood?
>>521060274>tumblr
>>521060341holy shit
Will Nemlei give the fans the ending they want?
Do the demons eat the souls?
>>521060368I'm too lazy to rename every image I save.
>>521060368used to be place for some alright porn
>>521059851>NOBODY punishes Renee's daughterLiterally everything in this game could have been avoided if Douglas and Renee parents were better
>>521059478Emotional expression is learnt behaviour. Andrew doesn't know what a rape victim is supposed to act like, so he doesn't act like it.
>>521060323I have the feeling it's beyond the demon's ability to actually do something about memories and feelings, and his offer to help him get through his trauma is to literally (not figuratively) remove Ashley from his life, which will lead to LU getting what he wants from Ashley's Tard Soul.
andrew is fucking based for keeping track of ashley's cycle. he is cringe for being unwilling to fuck her on her period though.
>>521060296>no mentally ill gf who will literally just kill meIt's so over...
>>521060673Andrew just can't handle the woman that is Ashley
>>521057263So mates, any theories on why this happened?
No seriously guys what the fuck did Nemlei mean by this?
>>521060715stingy bitch
>>521060831Ashley tells ???? Andrew's soul is hers.Questionable burial shows that Ashley claims Andrew as her everything and uses sex to keep him anchored due to failing to resolve their problems
>>521060831Forever ensnared
>>521060831picrel>>521060876perfect wife
>>521060672I don't think they will ever try to get pregnant on purpose in any route.
>>521061041Think about it, them sealing the deal on their mutual love and resolving to become better parents than Doug and Renee in an ending where they choose love
>>521060498Yeah no it's pretty obvious LU is just manipulating him to get what LU wants
>>521059646Oof probably the saddest image in the game.
>>521061240hes not wrong though
>>521060831We legit did not have any clue what this was about UNTIL Decay route and the questionable burial route change. In the normal playthrough we really didn't get why he even got that but with the recent change of Ashley putting the plushie in the cage, we now understand why the mark appeared. Ashley or Leyley claims Andrew as hers and only hers, like we see in the Andy path in Decay. Burial might now not be the good wholesome plot we always thought, but it is turning into a really interesting plot point in my opinion.
>>521059646>Unlike you, I would never make you do something you didn't want to>Anyway! I'm going to use you as a hole now
>>521060990So Ashley is already a demon now? She can just mark souls like that?I wonder how this 'ascension' works. Do they have call upon Chaos Gods or Satan or some shit?
>>521061353He was raped
>>521061402in Leyley wins ending, he gets a similiar mark once Ashley sells out his soul to ????, presumably while she didn't become a demon yet in questionable, ???? choosed to honor her words a bit more literally and bound Andrew's soul to Ashley
>>521061402Anon, there are letters you can read while in the cliffhanger path after you've collected the souls for ???. Its actually revealed that these aren't demons. These are just cannibal souls or some sort of soul that have gotten to the point of no return. Ashley is one such soul, a Tar Soul as ???? says.
>>521061240I think this one probably still gets me more. Nemlei knew what she was doing making them so cute here, it breaks my heart. Especially Ashley's expression, as that one anon beautifully put it, "she puts on a Leyley brave face, but she ultimately dies as Ashley".
KIT9I KNOW YOU CAN HEAR MECOFFIN AS A SWITCH 2 LAUNCH TITLEMAKE IT HAPPEN
>>521061304>Andrew is on the aggressive side when they begin to have sex>As Ashley becomes more and more demonic and possessive, Ashley starts to become a dominatrix, just like her mom
>>521060990Come on Nemlei
>>521060831>>521061402Ashley claimed his soul in Burial route. Her tar soul probably looks like >>521060990 but smaller. ??? marks Andrew as her property because he's very autistic and took it literally.
>>521061268That's what makes it sadder.
>>521061353>implying she doesn't want it
>>521061576Do you think we'll see an actual demon? The game does indicate what the cultists are doing as 'Satanic ritual' after all
>>521061943??? does seem to dislike talk of God, so there is a chance that Christianity is canonically correct in the Coffinverse
>>521061943Well, Lord Unknown has to be a type of demon at least.
>>521057631Burial ending is going to be Shots and Such on crack.
Qemlei will release Episode 4 in August trust the plan
>>521061943??? gets butthurt when God gets mentioned
>>521062085who will rape this time?
>>521061268He is. He was eventually going to force her to do the impossible and live her life without him even though it would also affect him super negatively.
>>521062221>>521062085Andrew is going to rape Ashley isn't he. It's going to be a shitshow since it's male on female rape.
>>521062451Can't rape the willing
>>521062068>Andrew and Ashley manages to go to heaven after all the shit they've done because they decided to believe in God as some kind of protection after their experience with demonic thingsThat would be absolutely hilarious
>>521062548>They also run into Nina who is actually genuinely assmad and gets kicked out for trying to attack them
>>521062548>>521062605Ashley is a complete tar soul though
>>521061041In Burial the vision happens immediately the next time they stay at a motel.Episode 3 is about them deciding to found a new family.Episode 4 is about raising your children without getting murdered down the line.
>>521062721Don't forget that any and all errors no matter how minor will result in their children murdering them like animals, and you won't know what you did wrong because it will play out like a pop quiz with 30 choices and you get your results after completion with no signs of error.
What if Nemlei is hyping people up for the all stars vision... only for it to be them dying in quarantine like that fucked up fanfic.
I had that cute note about Ashley fall out of Andrew's notes but didn't read it (so he didn't get rid of it) in the hopes Ashley would see and read it later. Didn't happen in part 3 so I don't think it will, though. It would be cute.
>>521062721Andrew doesn't want kids because of his experience with his parents, and how he failed to raise Ashley properlyAshley doesn't want kids because she wouldn't want to share Andrew's attention with any other being, even if it's her own childIf they are to have a child, a fucking miracle should happen for them to change into completely different people, which is unlikely
>>521062451It won’t be a shitshow since women sided with him beating the shit out of Ashley. Only on twitter maybe.
>>521063139That's actually only really true for the S&S route where they are their worst selves. We don't know what would happen in other route(s).
>>521063139Yes, they need to first learn why they're wrong in episode 3.
>>521062451It's pretty heavily implied he did in Shots and Such, he got so sick of her locking herself in the bathroom when he wants to beat and rape her that he got rid of the doorknob
>>521063075>them dying in quarantine like that fucked up fanfic.Link? I wanna read
>>521063139I think if they resolve their issues and live as a couple for a while their views would changeAshley will learn to share Andrew since she knows he wont abandon herAndrew will see Ashley has gotten better so he will be willing to raise a kid
>>521063075If there was no demonic intervention, wouldn't they just jump off the balcony at some point when they can't take it anymore and that would be the end?
>>521063323I refuse.
>>521063135You can read it as Ashley if you don't burn it as Andrew. This is all that happens though.
How did freaks like Andrew and Ashley get someone as pure-hearted as Friend B to stick up for them?
>>521063482Ashley the dumb fuck not getting that this is a confession
>>521060831I agree with other anons, the mark was placed there by ??? because Ashley wants to "lock him up" like the bunny. But it's "not going the way she thinks."I think that the reason Nemlei modified the dialog in Graves was because if Ashley unambiguously trusted Andrew, there really wouldn't be anywhere for her story to go. These two would already be happy and all Burial would be would be the "two kids and a dog in the backyard" ending.The happy ending of Burial will be Ashley trying to lock Andrew up only for her to explore her subconscious and see who Andrew really is and realize that she doesn't have to. He loves her already.
>>521063570Does the "B" in "Friend B" stand for best?
>>521063570Andrew is good at keeping his freakiness under wraps
>>521063482Is this where Ashley gets the ick about Andrew keeping track of her periods
>>521063482>...I can't read
>>521063701Probably just shows that Andrew doesn't care about anyone but Ashley. So no name needed
>>521062527I guess it wouldn't be rape if Ashley wanted it.
>>521063629>Andrew: "I love you Leyley, everything I ever do is to see you happy and safe" *kisses her on the lips*>Ashley: (Just WHAT could he mean by this...?!?!)
>>521063570They're sociopaths.
>>521063629>>521063837gotta love tardley
>>521063243>women sided with him beating the shit out of AshleyNobody hates women more than women
>>521063735No. It's at the bathtub
>>521063837
>>521063750KEK
>>521063570>Andrew would seethe just as hard if Ashley went on a date with Friend B instead of Douchebagwhy can't he admit he just wants to fuck his sister
>>521063834I still find it hilarious that the game actually mentions that their kids having genetic defects is unlikely
>>521063971Because it's not seem as normal?
>>521061625This image makes me so fucking angry. This should obliterate any perception of Andrew being strung along by some psycho manipulator sister. Ashley is Andrew's hostage, she is his victim and always has been. She says it herself that she doesn't want to die, but she still loyally plummets to her doom with a frown, scared and categorically not wanting this, for no other reason than because Andrew sentenced her to death. She was always like this, even as far back as Episode 1. I hate Andrew so fucking much. Poor Ashley.
>>521064054There's no way Nemlei isn't building up to them having kids in at least one ending. There have been three explicit references to it now
>>521063482oh damn, dunno how I missed that. Maybe a different route? Thanks!
>>521064054Nemmy is in touch with the communityWhile Calg is not the biggest it seems like we are the most in tune with Nemlei
>>521063834don't post the anti-delphic propaganda image, post the true and correct image
>>521063570Friend B was lucky to get out when he did. Instead of getting a good job and getting married he'd be roped in the Graves' disaster life
>>521064181Burial will be about Leyley becoming Ashley
>>521063837Guess he just has to keep doing it until his cute dumb cunt sister understands it.
>>521064270kek cute
>>521064293I agree. I hope she leaves Andrew, I'm really going to cry if she has to stay with him in all endings.
>>521064265>While Calg is not the biggestWho is?
>>521064270my kids will bully their kids for being inbred
>>521064293>inb4 Ashley is an even worse person
>>521064387Andrew chooses to be there you dumb nigga play the game
>>521064336Wrong. Don't your siblings anons.
>>521064415how would they know they're inbred? you think andrew and ashley would be telling people that?
>>521063837Ashley is acutely aware that Andrew is a psychotic emotional manipulator. Him saying something only vaguely implies he might mean it.They're the same.
>>521064336>until his cute dumb cunt sister understands it.so never
>>521064394desu im not surethe reddit isnt that bigthe steam community isnt that big either but is very active for a steam community pagethe unofficial discord, which is attached to the reddit, might be bigthe reddit and the reddit discord are being dragged kicking and screaming into the plot so Nemlei doesnt like them
Had a redneck neighbor who was unofficially married to his cousin. A son and a daughter. Daughter was fine I think, but the son was mildly retarded.
>>521064429>Andrew chooses to be thereThe idea of Burial being about Leyley becoming Ashley would be that Ashley's choice matters too.
Based letter, too bad it was probably her sister that wrote it
>>521064607Nemlei does seem to get really annoyed when people drastically misunderstand her characters, I feel like that's what the Tarddrew vision was for
>>521064336Or he should just straight up be honest
>>521064640But Ashley also chooses to be there even more aggressively without coping about it.
>>521064607I still want to believe she is here among us
>>521064607>the reddit and the reddit discord are being dragged kicking and screaming into the plotwut
>>521064508i would tell them cause i played the game
>>521064670Has anyone made a screenshot like this with the entire thing written out?
>>521064713That too
>>521064607The discord is filled with kids
>>521064670She was in therapy so it was probably an exercise or something suggested that she do. Jane has no reason to interfere with a letter that isn't going to be delivered.
>>521064713You know he can't do that. Neither can she.
>>521064670I think Julia wrote most of it except those last parts which feel too aggressive for her and were likely Jane
>>521064741Definitely a nonzero chance and probably more likely than most other games with a general.
>>521064873God I would have loved this game as a teenager
>>521064883>>521064901Big if true
>>521064753if the information i have been given is correct, you were not allowed to support incest on the unofficial discordthe reddit says in the sidebar they explicitly do not support incest
>>521064884Probably after the cliffhanger he can
>>521064726Would Burial Ashley stick around? I'm not so sure.
>>521064741im definitely not
I can't wait for Jane to get a character portrait so you lunatics can latch onto her next
Do you think both Burial and Decay will have a happy ending, or will one be happy and one bittersweet?
Can someone post the /tcoal/ reference of Andrew talking about first gen incest babies aren't defective>>521063314hot
>>521065054She will want to stick around but she might have the belief still that Andrew doesn't and is only with her because he has to be.
>>521065054Once she learns that Andrew will without needing to attach a demonic tag to his hand, yes
>>521065102It was already said both will have a good and a bad one
>>521065102I think "bittersweet" is the best we can hope for but any even slightly "good" ending will make me happy.
>>521064670Do you think Julia will play a role in Burial? That other bunny with Andrew bunny we see in the painting with hearts and sun has to be her, right?But it seems she's gotten over Andrew now. How will they manage to lure her into the story of Burial I wonder?
>>521065189I keep seeing this but no source>>521065197Personally I do think Nemlei is talented enough to do an unambiguous good ending
>>521064181I mean, the way I see it both of them would rather die than be without the other.So since she can't get Andrew to want to live with her the least bad option is to die together.If Ashley decided to off herself I think Andrew would be making the same face.
>>521063570>inb4 they kill Friend B and his family
>>521065237That was in Ashley's subconscious>>521065269Even in the worst ending he explicitly says the only reason he won't kill himself is he doesn't know if she'll be okay
>>521064741sus
>>521065102I mean I would be content with something like the couple ending of Better Half. Their life will not be easy, definitely short, but they have each other
>>521065187Who is "Andrew"? I don't think the more mature Ashley that Burial is hinting at wants to stay with a psycho
so that mark on Andrew's hand is Ashley?I thought it was LU
>>521065267There have been screenshots posted about this already
>>521065463then post them, right now
>>521065426We don't know for sure but that's what most people think
>>521064265Nemlei is literally from here
>>521065426He only has it in Bitch in a Box and Burial
>>521065330If Andrew wasn't a sister-lusting degenerate he would immediately foist her on Friend B and never look back
>>521065463I don't believe you lol
>>521065237>Do you think Julia will play a role in Burial?NoAt most it will play out like >>521049512>>521049637>>521050348 said, but burial is about burying their past so i don't think Julia will get mentioned there
>>521065426Three Possibilities>Ashley unconsciously marking Andrew as his after talking with ???>??? marking him when they botched something with sharing the vision>LU marking him because something they did meant they breached some deal he and Andy made a long time agoAs I see it the first explanation seems the most plausible one
>>521065676>burial is about burying their pasteasiest way to do that is with murder
>>521065237I think it's safe to say the paintings were in fact Ashley's perception and how she will act in Burial. So I'm under the impression that she will symbolically set Andrew free to do what he wants. And what she thinks is that he loves Julia and wants to be with her.But Decay pretty much forcefed people that Andrew didn't love or even really like Julia and that Julia moved on during quarantine with a bad opinion of him. So Ashley will probably set him free and he'll just turn back around to Ashley.
he's just like me>>521064741>he doesn't know
>>521065023Well that's awkwardHow do you think that kind of """fan""" would even react to Decay
>>521065237She will die in Burial since that route I assume will be more about Ashley
>>521065808That would mean people who chose the right path because they thought it would be 'sane' is in for the most wholesome incest romance kino Holy kek
>>521065767Julia doesn't even know they're alive in Burial. There's no way they will call her in Burial because they are going to the cultist club there
>>521065808>she thinks is that he loves Julia and wants to be with her.its funny that she acts like this is true when she perceptive enough to know Andrew is a sister loving maniac
I want to avoid Ashley like a plague because she is a menace but she is cute so I want to have sex with her and cuddle
>>521065521how exactly would a normal person go about tard-wrangling Ashley without getting corrupted themselves?
>>521065980It might not be that incestuous or at least obvious about it.
I honestly disagree with Nemlei's negative view on burying the past.I feel like trying to drag everything out and act like there's some deeper meaning to them being such miserable kids just makes everything worse.End result is this. Andrew loves Ashley and Ashley loves Andrew. Their past identities are completely erased.Why would they not want to just forget everything and try a new, better life? Why not forget Julia, the cult, the demons, the murders, and just fuck off somewhere? Why would they want to claw at the walls of their own misery just to look for something that's as simple as "Your parents were assholes?" What's the point?
>>521066086>t. andrewFor me it's Renee or Julia though
Game would be 100 times less popular if not for incest
>>521066243Yes sales tactics exist
>>521066086I want to have sex with Ashley and cuddle because she is a cute and a menace but she would just suck out my soul and eat me
>>521066125Yeah not that incestuous kiss and embrace, and not obvious cuddling and loving words would suffice, right?
>>521066258sales tactics for a free to play short story made for a modest game jam and was never meant to have a sequel
>>521065969i really hope we don't get to hurt heralso doesnt make sense to kill Julia to bury their past since she has a whole family
>>521065980KEK NEMLEI KINO
>>521066387/qa/ lost
>>521066397>she has a whole familyAs a wise man once said, than we kill the whole family too!
>>521066243it's much more than incest though
Is there still a chance for Andrew to become a lawyer?
>>521063314I just assumed that was her trying to escape an argument and he got pissed offit seems like something people I grew up with would do
>>521066523Why aren't you dead yet, Grandpa
The OTP of this game
>>521066341I was thinking more along the lines of a brief mention that Ashley missed her period in a cutaway gag.
>>521066431Jokes aside, I do have a feeling that there would be a part where narration jeers at players for expecting 'sane' when everything about this game has definitely not been sane
>>521066465What? I'm saying the incest isn't there to make it sell more because it was never for sale in the game jam era.
I don't trust nemlei because she is a woman and yet I trust her because she has correct views and opinions about lots of things and is blackpilledThe end result is I am simply confused how to feel about nemlei
>>521066397i think Andrew would nix it cause Julia dying would make him prime suspect being the jilted lover and all
If you don't put bunny Andrew in the cage does Andrew still get the mark on his hands?
>>521066805Puzzle got changed so now you need to put the plushie in the cage to progress.
>>521066504The whole plot is about Andrew being in love with Ashley
>>521066936Even in the route where you give the heart to Julia and the broken heart to Ashley? I don't remember the exact sequence
>>521066139Andrew and Ashley putting their drama behind and going on kickass revenge murder adventures would be a bit too based to be in character. Maybe it could be a bonus vision. One can hope.
>>521066983Oh, if you mean that one then I don't know.
>>521066960Ashley better love him backASHLEY not Leyley, who loves him like a dog
>>521067124She will once Andrew say sorry for pushing Ashley and not leyley away
>Already getting angry about Burial before Decay is finished
>>521067224Ashley isn't an adult if she can't get over something Andrew did when he was sixteenIt was a weird situation anyway, any mature woman would understand
>>521067224>Ashley is aware Andrew has hangups about engaging in incest>still gets mad when he displays this even when he wants to fuck her
>>521064445They have decent scores, they're just ugly.
This sequence was the narrator telling Ashley that if she tries to force Andrew into a relationship with her, it won't come true. If she wants him to love her she needs to show that she doesn't want to control him anymore.
>>521067248
>>521067336Idk it seems kinda "fresh" it happened a year before the lockdown. Andrew mentions he hasn't touched her in a year after that happened, they make up after he tells her to not work at that one place and then a few days later lockdown happens
>>521067336I'm sorry anon but any mature woman in that same situation would be scarred by it like Ashley. It's not just like she got turned down at a sleepover or something. It was a social outcast opening up about incest to her brother and being turned down by the only person that showed love and care for her in her life.
can anyone please share the save file for episode 3? i have watched the gameplay, and finally got the game for myself
>>521067782then play the game nigger
What the fuck was he doing with his hand here?
>>521067782we play the game here sir
>>521067782>finally got the game for myselfthan play it?
>>521067775exactly. She was sure Andrew was feeling the same so she went for it only to get shut down hard when she opened up
>>521067596Were we just too stupid to see this? I suppose in Episode 2 we were still worried that Julia would be on the right path. With how Andrew really felt about her being aired out in Decay, is that text mocking us really necessary? We could've figured this out for ourselves, Nemlei.
>>521067895Trying to take off her shirt
>>521067895Bullying cuckshley
>>521062124kek
>>521067782You should play the game, but specifically because you need to collect stars from Episode 1 and 2. They are saved globally and not in a specific save file.
DRINK BEERRAISE HELLBEAT ASHLEYOHH HELL YEAH
>>521068069>Ashley thinks she's getting cucked>Julia is actually getting cucked, but not really because she has a new friend who happens to be a boy
>>521068025I mean we clearly couldn't we're not on Nemlei's level. We also didn't know Andrew made Julia dress up like Ashley and had violent fantasies about torturing her.It's still a little difficult to evaluate everything in this game since so much is revealed every chapter.
>>521068202We did see Andrew tell Julia to tie up her hair in episode 2 tho
>>521068202We did know about the first part of making her dress like Ashley. But we pretty much only speculated that off of 1 (one) fucking line where he asks Julia to put her hair up in a vaguely sexual connotation and her refusing because he's an asshole about it.
>>521068202>Andrew made Julia dress up like Ashleyis this shown explicitly?
Nem-leyAsh-leyLey-leyIs this self insert game about incest fantasy mixed with brainrot of a typical woman?
>>521067895Playing with her bra strap, what does it look like? Andrew is a handsy boy, this is known.
>>521068464200 IQ Cluster B kino
A part of me thought Nemlei would cut the incest out, or it would stay implied, never explicit outside of non-real scenes. I am glad it wasn't so. If anything, it seems far more explicit even from an early stage.
>>521068417There's a puzzle sequence filled with allegory about it.He peeped on Ashley, got horny, and then went to Julia and got her to tie her hair up like Ashley at least once to facefuck her and she never did it again.
>>521068464Well, it worked. Didn't it?
>>521068558Yeah she's making them brutally incestuous out of spite now
>offer the soul of my alcoholic neighbor to the demons>wake up to ambulances next door and a weird mpreg feeling in my gutwhat did the demons mean by this
>>521068558This has to be by far the dumbest thing she's ever said
>>521068739It was cute though
kinda weird julia jumped to the conclusion andrew was railing his sister
>>521068846Anyone who knew these two would assume that
Bitch in a Box
>>521068846It was a suspicion since highschool and she's the one to bring it up to him back then too.
>>521068962It should say "Andy"
>>521068846Jane told her
>>521069032Too deep for a female artist who draw this
>>521069072Wonder if Jane started the rumors, never thought of that
>>521068962what retard made this and put andrew instead of andy kek
>>521069124What if Jane was someone who asked Andrew out already but he refused and over time she figured out why? But the rumors were probably started by Ashley's bullies after she spilled too much spaghet
>>521068846Anon, Andrew railed his sister less than 24 hours later.
>>521069124Kinda self own if sostart rumors about psycho fucking sister=>psycho reacts to said rumors by starting to date your sister as a beard=>psycho fucks up sister mentally
>>521069032>>521069210The art was made before Episode 3 came out to be fair, I'm pretty sure it's just a reference to a Family Guy gag.
>>521068962Just change Andrew to Andy, and this is what Ashley thinks of him.>Just a pet
>>521058754Julia is just that boring
>>521069124Jane probably didn't even know Andrew before he started dating Julia
>>521068962Imagine all the humiliating things she could make him do...
>>521069463She wasn't even good in bed either just acceptable but boring. Virginleyley was worse but that's partially his fault and his top grade goes to drunk Ashley.
>>521060831Lord Unknown made a deal with him as a child that's taking effect now and the cult will probably take an interest in Andrew
>>521069747that's my takealso he mightve shown back up on LU's radar when other people started to try to claim his soul
>>521069747Cult Leader will definitely play some role considering he has his own sprite and he is the one who instigated this demon madness with the book
>>521066397Julia and Jane can both die to the superior siblings and I wouldn't bat an eye
>>521069682>Andrew gets raped>Apologizes to Ashley that it suckedWhat a cuck
>>521068069You mean Cucklia? That was the equivalent of banging a girl while calling your girlfriend
>>521066397Julia had her own little arc and I want her to make it
Did episode 3 make twitter faggots spiral? I know episode 2 did but I haven't heard anything about episode 3
>>521068846Julia was the one spread the rumors about Ashley to make Andrew desperate. This is just more evidence to it
>>521070375The fuck would I know? I don't care what happens on twitter.
>>521057263I can't begin to appreciate for using my art for the OP image. Thanks anon. I'd highly recommend to listen to music of Matt Elliott, especially the drinking songs and howling songs due to the thematic similarities to the decay route and the albums share a striking similar color palette. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKXjhXoTQnMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEpuEHORk1c
>>521070154Why is he such a massive sissy?
>>521069747But the deal was nothing more than "friendship" and showing up when called. And of course showing up and giving vegetables.
>>521070726He is just in love
>>521070726bad genes
>>521070602<3
>>521070726hes a mommas boy
>>521070726Lack of motherly loveLU is going to gape his bussy so wide
>needs a demon to mindbreak him so he can get over a bitchAndrew was always a cuck
>>521070602Good shit anon.
>>521070754Lord Unknown said that he marked Andrew's soul and wanted to see him hatch so maybe Andrew's soul got darker in Burial
>>521071318And he's not going to do it either because he's not a cuck.
Why isnt there a proper ending where Julia opens the fridge
>>521071364That mark on his hand is from ??? being autistic after Ashley said that Andrew's soul belongs to her and ??? can't have it. It's the mark of Ashley's Tar Soul
>>521071532I've never even had it happen lol what does she do
>>521071567Can someone check if Andrew still gets it if Ashley chooses for him to be with Julia instead?I'm at my office and don't have my Deck
In the Splat ending, Andrew seemed like he genuinely wanted Ashley to fuck off and try to thrive without him. Do you think he could've talked her out of jumping out the window with him if he put aside his romanticism?
>>521071591It fades to black and prompts you to retry the sequence. Zero narration.
>>521071532Andrew shouldve told Julia to drink from the bathroom sink
>>521070375there's a lot of vtubers playing it but I don't know if twitter cares. I can't imagine they'd throw a fit nearly as big since it's already happened.
He fucking insulted the mop!!!1 GET HIM!!!!!!
>>521071889yeah I was disappointed by that too I was hoping for at least a funny scene
>>521071653Yes he does. Choosing Julia seems to just be her coping about losing Andrew anyways and learning to let him do what he wants, with what we know from decay there's like no chance we willingly goes to be with Julia anyways.
>>521072158Interesting, maybe the mark is unrelated to Ashley then
>>521071668He could've tried a little harder but I genuinely don't see a scenario where Andrew dies or kills himself and Ashley doesn't off herself right after.
>>521071532Because then Julia would have to die
>>521072327Panels of Julia being brutally murdered would be nice
>>521072203It's definitely that Ashley claimed his soul in the basement. The choice in the paintings is probably a metaphor for her forcefully keeping him around (keeping ownership of his soul) or letting him be his own man (getting rid of it).
>>521072079would beat my boyfriends brains out if he insulted my mop
>>521072504Interesting theory. God I'm excited for Burial
>>521072079He prefers wooden boards anyways
>>521072543Your mop sucks and the mop on your head too.
>>521066571kino
>>521072079Weirdly when you're Andrew in the house, you can inspect the mop and he still says "THIS MOP IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>>521072079
>>521073114Nemlei forgor
>>521072079>Andrew getting jealous of a mopcinema
>>521070065yeah man but not everyone is gay like you
>>521073202I only mention it on the off chance she actually reads these threads she'll go and fix it
>>521073424lol, 10 billion IQ gambit
Hows this make you feel, grimeboi?
Part 1 Ashley is almost nothing like later parts Ashley... Is Nemlei a hack?
>>521067895Andrew needs a fidget spinner for his OCD but they haven't been invented yet, thankfully all sisters are cats and worst comes to worst he could just bite his fingers.
>>521073114>>521073424>>521073480nta but I'll add, when you're in the parents house inspecting stuff you can stand in the shower but somehow phase through the wall to operate the toilet
>>521073610>Ashley left me because she said a dime-a-dozen cleaning stick is more relaible
>>521073649What do you mean by that? They only really become themselves after they eat their neighbor.
>>521068202We knew about him making her style her hair like Ashley's but him fantasizing about torturing her made me want to cave his skull in to be honest
>>521073649I wouldn't go as far as saying she's a hack, but it does feel like she was still figuring things out in Episode 1, and sometimes even that she doesn't quite have Ashley's exact motives or "real self" nailed down.
>>521073792why do you retards say nta in the most random places? you can just say that you can stand in the shower and use the toilet. you dont need to specify youre someone else.
>>521068558>>521068739The camping part was really badly written
>>521074114nta but ok???
>>521074172There exist people in the world who find the camping part a bad plotline
>>521074114nta but this
>>521073649Totally disagree, and I replay all chapters in sequence whenever a new part comes out
>>521069463>Andrew is just that much of a faggotYeah thats what i said
>>521065102at this point having at least one happy ending is pretty much a guaranteei mean, if nemlei is here then there's no way we havne't infected her mind (and the story) with all the sappy, lovey-dovey fanart and romantic fanfics we post
>>521074114I'd just like to point out that I am, despite all contrary evidence, NTA
>>521074114nta but why are you so mad?
>>521074412You're Not To Argue?
>>521074387All that does is increase her power to make it even more miserable than previously thought possible
>>521071532what
>>521074501I see the issue
Define "intimate"
>>521074705>"Did you really call me back to argue semantics?"
>>521072079The moment with the mop is canonically the happiest moment Ashley ever had in her life.Andrew is such an useless fuck of a brother
>>521074705I didn't click this what's she say?
>>521074705kino
>>521074705I assume this is an auto-fail
>>521074823She hangs up instantly
>>521074823its a very funny sequenceshe hangs up and Andrew calls her back to clarify he did not sleep with his sister
>>521074705>*LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER*>*LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER*>*LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER*>*LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER*
>>521066571replaying the game rn, to get this route I need to empty the gun and pick andrew yes?
>>521059851It just so strange that she didn't spank the shit out of Ashley. I thought she hated her.
>>521075091You dont need to empty the gun, just don't shoot Andrew in the dream
>>521074705The English major is really paying off!
>>521075091You can just not shoot Andrew, emptying the gun is unnecessary
>>521075153You fell for Ashleyfags headcanon. Douglas and Renee loved their kids
>>521075207I don't think it was ever said that Renee hated Ashley unless it was in reference to having to raise her as a child before dumping her onto Andrew.
>>521074114nta but why doesn't ashley use these to make andrew pick up around the house, shes not his maid
>>521075207(You)
>>521075207According to Nemlei the tarddrew vision is canon with exception to Andrew being that stupid, meaning that if he accepted the olive branch Renee would have hired a hitman to kill him
I feel sad for all the anons who refuse to play Decay. Shots and Such is exactly what I imagined a happy ending for them to be.
Reminder that Nina was killed, not by a faggot, but by a measly singular stick. This makes her the weakest character in the coffinverse.
>>521075207TRUKE
>>521075589me too, its really a perfect ending
>>521075589Personally I think _____ in a box is also a happy ending.
>>521074790>Yes.
>>521075782Complete, complete disagree. Andy loses all sense of agency and just becomes a femdom pet. Absolute garbage ending and I unironically hope the yabba dabba doo speculation is what Nemlei had in mind, FUCK that version of this character, awful.
>>521075601Coffinverse fighting game when?
>>521075423?>>521075567ep3 literally shows her kinda regretful of her actions
>>521075925Julia will be like Melee Pichu: every move hurts her too
>>521075909>Andy loses all sense of agency and just becomes a femdom pet.
>>521076037I'm so happy that Nemlei considers this shit ending a fail state
>>521075567How does mom have connections to hitmen? I thought it was THEM doing the hirings and killings.
>>521075909Worse than Douglas, even
>>521076126It should have been the way into Shots and Such as he loses his shit and starts acting out.
>>521076183She calls the water company and explains that somehow he's still alive
>>521075909femdom is being generous since Ashley doesnt even fuck him
for me, it's tardley and her vegetable friends
Can Julia be turned into a yandere?
>>521075782>>521076037Even as a femdomlover it fucking sucksIt ends abruptly despite how there's clearly going to be horrible consequences in the future and nothing hot even happens
>>521075589Itd be the perfect ending for me if it wasnt for RAPE and if Ashley enjoyed sex more
for me, its shroombley and her fungi friends
>>521076425No.
>>521076425No. She's just a normal person anon
Why didnt the water company just let Andrew and Ashley leave? The surgeon wouldve known from the initial tests that their AB+ organs were useless
>>521057631"addressing the underlying decay" will be done by the players on a meta level by playing through decay first, while one of burial's ending will be the "true [CHAOS AND MAYHEM!!!]"no i will not stop reposting this
>>521076545Would have blown the story about the parasites
>>521075782It's very obviously hinted that this ending will result in doom because of the demon.
>>521076545Because starving people to death is his fetish
>>521058697This fucking slut should have just admitted his love to Ashley. He shouldn’t have fucked her that night in the bedroom, but his openness would have helped both of them immensely.
>>521076545Okay, listen here you...
>>521076501>>521076521Am i delusional to think she would be capable of acquiring this mentality? Excluding the part about killing the Grandpa
>>521076545Because starving people would be funny and help him masturbate.
>>521076481I like that Ashley isnt a whore who enjoys getting fucked. It shows she really loves Andrew and wouldnt just leave him for a well hung stud
>>521076673She definitely couldn't. Julia doesn't have any cluster B disorders like the Graves family. She's got depression but that's not really a violent disorder
>>521076440I hope ??? gets a human body and has sex with Ashley>>521076481There was no rape>>521076758Sex is meant to be enjoyed
>>521076545Probably something to do with less witnesses who can contradict the company narrative, and we know the surgeon did the whole quarantine thing for his fetish, not exclusively for profit.
>>521076758I want her to like sex with him not be so dry it hurts every time
>>521076848This is Splat
>>521076482Ashley not washing her feet after andrew came in her socks lead to shroomley. never forget that
>>521076874>There was no rapeFair enoughI really wish Ashley didnt take advantage of him like a horny porn date
>>521076545It's mostly for his fetish, not for profit
ashley is dumb and smells bad
>>521075589Same here, it's the ending I wanted and expected
>>521076758>liking sex makes you a whoreTell me more about your Madonna-Whore complex and your issues with your mother, Anon.
>>521076679I love how little of a fuck Nemlei gave writing this character>Yeah whatever, here's some dude who started the main plot because he wanted to jerk offand of course Mr. Sodaman>that's not my name...
>>521076246If it's just Andrew, this still doesn't add up right to me. She knows he's not the type to snitch, and both of them know that he just wants to leave and go away and never contact her again.
>>521076896Just get her piss drunk and she starts overflowing
So long as Friend B is happy
>>521076758Andrew is canonically a well hung stud, and Ashley enjoys sex that is meaningful (with Andrew), why do you thinks she got wet as soon as he kissed her?
>>521077112you say that as if it's a bad thing
>>521077349>she got wet as soon as he kissed herproof?
>>521075589Shots and Such was the most based ending.
>>521077112yeah but she eats people so I'm hard anyway
>>521076964andrew should have licked her feet clean
>>521076545>Why didnt the water company just let Andrew and Ashley leave?Because they would be witnesses for their organ harvesting operation>>521077632she will develop kuru disease
Why does the Surgeon hate women so much?
>>521077349>Andrew is canonically a well hung studSource
Poor Ashley can't imagine how hard it must been going one whole year without Andrew groping her
>>521077698Just don't eat the brain, silly!>>521077761Nemlei made a shitpost answer for a Q&A and you will never, ever stop hearing about that or ashley having small tits.
>>521077761
Personally I do think Nemlei will split Burial into two parts. She wanted Decay to be one part too but even half of it is longer than the first two chapters combined. She's going to end up loving the story too much and wanting to flesh it out.Game will be done in 2027 maybe
>>521077870you made it cringeyou didn't have tobut you did
>>521077849>>521077870Post the ashley being a titlet oneI thought she was supposed to have big milkers
>>521077903As long as we get the scene where Ashley realizes shes in love with Andrew ill be good
>>521075996She was kinda regretful of her actions, she was even planning to let them go in the morning without snitching. That regret quickly turned into hatred after they held her at gunpoint, robbed her, and used her or her husband's blood to make summoning oval for a blood ritual.
>gf finally played chapter 3 and agreed to rp tcoaal in bed>under one condition >she's Andrewdo I go through with this anons
>>521077903Maybe the complete power of all of /calg/ praying will convince her to hire some more people to work on the game, at least draw the backgrounds, so it finishes before the end of the fucking world
>>521077903I could see this happening, even if it's a complete package it almost feels lopsided for Decay to be a two-parter ending on an Episode 4 when Burial is just Episode 3.>>521078041This.>>521078124YES.
>>521078062>That regret quickly turned into hatred after they held her at gunpoint, robbed her, and used her or her husband's blood to make summoning oval for a blood ritual.Totally understandable
>>521078124Anon she's going to beat you black and blue
So Decay is the darker route, yeah?
>>521078272Impossible to say, it's not even done
>>521078272no >>521057631
>>521078041Shes so very very close tooAndrew just needs to throw her a little bone and the floodgates will open
This song now makes me think of Renee's retarded fifteen year old fantasies of what her life with Douglas would be likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_sg8X2YfXM
>>521077545Immediately after they kiss she says "It doesn't really hurt anymore"
>>521077752Artist self-insert
>>521078530parents dlc when
>>521078124rip this anon
>>521078238surely not
>>521078597nta but while the entirety of Shots and Such hurt to play through, the little moments like this (that showed they do care) hurt so fucking badHow does Nemlei do it?
>>521079043I'm all-in on Nemlei writing the toxic relationship part from experience
>>521078820Probably a prequel if Nemlei wants another $4m
>>521079043>>521079143Ao3 is filled with shit like that
>>521079043>>521079143Nemlei's either fucked up or has a lot of experience with people who are. I've been in these situations and I don't think it's something you can contrive.
>>521078272>Andrew tries to kill Ashley>Ashley has to lock him in an apartment so he won't kill her>He beats the shit out of her to try and get her to leave him>She rapes him>They get married and Andrew turns into a wife beaterYeah
>>521079167It would be the first pre order id make since Modern Warfare 3
>>521079430Burial could still be worse for all we know they get of the demons and Andrew pimps Ashley. There are no depths Nemlei won't stoop to
>>521079430That's just one of the Decay endings>>521079520And i meant the original MW3 btw
>>521079278>You can if you want.
>>521078530i mean, she was still happy with him the only real issue was the lack of money
>>521076425NoIt'd be hot if she did though
>>521079695the gradual fade to black in the next shot is so well-made as well
I can't believe that Doug and Renee's love was real...
>>521080048I still remember all the butthurt retards who kept saying she cucked him everytime i said their love was legit
The Shoot route made me cry so many times, fuuuuck. Is the moral of the story that you should let your brother slit your neck?
Why was Teenshly so much more fashionable than current Ashley?
>>521079430>He beats the shit out of her to try and get her to leave himhes trying to kill her and decides to stop cause shes his one and only
>>521080396You can't evaluate a painting when you're looking at a quarter of it. The game isn't done yet, we need to learn even more about these characters to understand exactly what Nemlei was communicating with these endings
>>521080451In what world is Chris Chan more fashionable than a goth chick?
>>521080396SNS is the natural conclusion of Andrew and Leyley if they don't die or kill eachother (bitch in a box is Andy and Leyley)
>>521060426No. ??? just makes them read his lame sibling breeding fanfics and races his toy car around them until they fade away from boredom or cringe.
>>521080718GIVE ME ANDREW AND ASHLEYI NEED IT
Anon HAET /calg/
>>521081007Well I hate Leyley
>>521075909>Andy loses all sense of agency and just becomes a femdom petWhat? No he doesn't, he *chooses* to play along with everything and become conflict-averse. It's not like he's being abused by Ashley or forced by ??? to become a shut-in NEET.
Shots and Such is hope fuel, it can only get better from here. Trust the plan.
>>521081272>Shots and Such is hope fuelAs ive said before i have a hard imagining a bleaker ending
>>521081156Well y-you're a stupid dumb bitchface!
>gf wants to roleplay Ashley>She's JuliaGod I hate her
>>521080867Same
>>521081330
>>521080396The moral of the story is pic related.
>>521081570This would be extremely bleak but extremely compelling meaning it probably is Nemlei
>>521081570>autobiographyOf course he would be faggy enough to have one of those.
>>521081807I have ASPD which most people seem to think Andrew has and I keep them. These are from 2020 through 2024. Every day is documented. That said Andrew probably doesn't since Ashley would find them.
you're a fag if you don't want them both to be happy, even if you know how fucked up they are.
>>521081330That's how a good chunk of the world population has lived for the past 2 centuries minus the demon stuff. Some had it worse. Surely it's good enough, at least.
>>521082026Okay, didn't know we had a genuine serial killer on /calg/, cool
>>521068962You just know.
>>521082068i assume the men did most of the sexual assault until the feminist movement
>>521081570andrew kills himself without Ashley
>>521082252Andrew makes up for it with regular assault so it evens out
>>521082039based
>>521058462it's sort of funny because Andrew isn't trying anything because he's afraid that he's taking advantage of someone he needs to care for, but she acts like she needs to be cared for because he won't treat her like an equal.
So we're all in agreement then.>2 endings for each route>1 where you have all the stars>1 where you don't>dead ends present in both as per usual
>>521082552i think theyll be a super secret epilogue after you collect all the stars combing stuff from both routes
>>521082709Yeah the way there arrange makes it look like a big door is going to open in the middle or something and you go through that for Last Story where Andrew and Ashley go Super and beat the final boss
>>521082552All the stars unlocks Renee's prequel story
>>521082506>he's afraid that he's taking advantage of someone he needs to care for, but she acts like she needs to be cared for because he won't treat her like an equalcalg couldve had them boning 1 day into highschool
All stars unlocks centuries later in hell where their spirits don't remember their past at all but are madly in love. It will be an epilogue that's true for every ending
>>521082552Does Shots and Such count as a Decay ending though, that means cliffhanger only will have one ending
>>521082026>ASPDI always thought Ashley's supposed to be the antisocial one.>>521082180Nah, trying to make ASPD edgy is so fucking gay. I was also diagnosed with it after spending nearly a year of my life behind bars, it's basically violent autism. Not fitting in because what's the point/fuck them/fuck everyone + 0 to 100 short fuse.
>>521083051No Ashley is 100% BPDThat girl was lifted right out of the DSMV
>>521082039This but Julia
>>521076425ok maybe not yandere, but, what if Andrew and Ashley kidnapped Julia and kept her like a human pet?
>>521082843Dont do this Nemlei make a proper game for them, i want to give you more money
>you can send one member of the Graves family back in time with all their memories Who do you send back and why them?
>>521083414my first instinct is Renny, but shell just abort Andrew then
>>521083414Douglas
>>5210825522 endings per route (decay or burial as a whole, not each chapter)1 bad1 goodnumerous fails and dead endsstars effect the external visions menu and is likely the siblings achieving certain circumstances not possible in the actual story and it's probably incest considering the nature of many stars
>>521083626>1 bad>1 goodSHE DIDN'T SAY THAT
>>521083414Andrew post-accepting his feelings for Ashley would be the most capable of changing things.
Has Nemlei ever said if she'd do phsyical releases once the game is done?
i just realized somethingRenee did what Andrew was planing to do with JuliaShe got pregnant so she could flee her home
>>521083709ding dang
>>521083802Andrew is Renee. We're all our parents. It's a vicious cycle.
>>521083802Yeah but she actually loves Doug
>>521083565he'd just say "huh. neat" and go back to wageslaving
>>521083709good is contextual to the viewer you fucking africanshe considers their death by police a good result
>>521083721that would get them kicked out immediately with all the rawdawg sex
>>521083917>not the pantieshe is too pure
>>521083943Sweet, new wallpaper
>>521083968This would be based because he would be fine with dying if he still got to stay with Renee but i think he would try to raise them differently
>>521083414Grandpa.
>>521084181The artist claimed that it's supposed to represent their schizophrenia but for me I prefer to interpret it as a younger person realizing they're a product of their parents' reproduction, hence one blue and one pink skeleton, and all that gets passed along with that.
>>521084203im not sure he was involved enough to know where to change things
>>521078612Nemlei is a guro enthusiast?
>>521083802No retard. Renee loved Doug and her family was normal
>>521084253He would give loli Ashley so many beatings...
>>521084354Obviously
>>521084203>he would try to raise them differentlyas if he wanted to. or could
>>521083802Dude she got pregnant by accident because they were in love and rawdogging too much.
>>521084307>>521084478see >>520923398
>>521084553>rawdogging too muchmany such casesher kids fell in the same trap
>>521081570>Ashley does the only thing shes qualified for and dies of overdose a few years lateI cant believe Ashley couldnt cope with her PTSD after her service in the Special Forces....
>>521084253A devout Christian and a wifebeater learns that his grandkids are serving literal demons. That's just going to be a disaster
reminder Doug's soul was happy to see A&A again
>>521084657It's easy in the moment
>>521084580yeah, it's obvious that he cared about them way more than renee did. but did he actually have the spine to put any effort into raising them? and would renee let him do that?
>>521084657I liked more when Dug Graves was Fill up Graves
>>521084927>but did he actually have the spine to put any effort into raising them?If his life force wasn't constantly sucked by working his ass off and getting Renee blowjobs i think he wouldHe looked more active when he was younger, the bandaid on his face implying he got on a fight or something
>>521085159i guess if was sent back in time he could just guess the lotto numbers and be fucking richthen they could hire a nanny for Renny to abuse
>>521084657I think that's a reference to her almost getting a prostitute job because it's the only place that would hire her.
>>521085381Sounds like a plan
Item descriptions can be a fun one sometimes
>>521085381If Renny hires a nanny then both her kids can be little shits
>>521085623>stickley.png
>>521085623
>>521086018Can't wait till Nemlei references it in some way
>>521084657I know there were a bunch of military edits of the Graves but I've sadly saved non of them, would've been real good to post one of them right now.
>>521085159I don't think Douglas would do anything. He's basically just playing out his parents relationship, only I figure he's ground down because he inherited Grandpa's perceptiveness enough to realise that he's also a spineless enabler like Grandma. He already knew the first time around how fucked up their family dynamic was and could have done something at any time, but chose not to. The depression is the result.
>>521086104Nemlei doesn't browse these threads, and even if I did I wouldn't reference them
>>521085623The one as Ashley where the description for the Green Rabbit says "BESTEST THING IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!" makes me feel some kinda way.
>>521086248you already did you dumb retard
>>521086248:(
>>521083414Andrew post-accepting himselfHe's smart enough to tell Ashley to hide her feelings, Ashley (not Leyley who is a genuine retard) is also smart enough to keep it vaguely hidden, the issue is that the rejection keeps her stuck as Tardley
>friend calls Darwin weird for marrying his cousin>have to stop myself from leaping to his defenseThis game has ruined me
The entire reason Andrew started dating Julia was to deflect the incest allegations, Renee didn't even know her son had a girlfriend.
have anyone managed to decrypt the songs?
Why the fuck is there so much art with Renee smoking, she doesn't smoke
>>521087436I mean brainrot defenses aside that's kinda just what they did back then.
>>521087589Somehow never ocurred to me that Renee didn't know but yeah I think you're right
>>521087436tell him Einstein married his cousin too
>>521086321It shouldn't, she described him as a thing.
>>521087729Beat me to it.
>>521087589>>521087642Yes she did. I forget when, but Renee definitely mentions Andrew having a gf at some point
>>521087589this whole "dating Julia" thing seems like it was more trouble than it was worthcause Andrew didnt care, it freaked Ashley out, and Julia suckedthe only thing anyone got out of it was Andrew felt vaguely normal
>>521087624She's Andrew coded. Better question is where did Andrew pick smoking up from? Because Ashley said she thought it was cool?
>>521087642>>521087816She found out when Ashley told her after snooping around trying to see if her kids were having hot sweaty breeding sex under her nose>he doesn't fuck her here>fuck who?Made me kek
>>521087816in the "mother's intuition vision she mentions not knowingand as far as i can tell that was pretty late in the relationship
>>521087867Sometimes feeling normal for just a moment is worth the world
>>521086158https://files.catbox.moe/ixpizb.mp4
Chris-chanley
>>521087436Just defend it IRL, reference the one study that an Anon ITT referenced (I can even get the book title if you'd like) and say you read the book because of modern politics or whatever if you needNB: Your politics don't matter, what matters is that you're in support of sister-fucking
>>521088007Where's this sequence? I don't recall
>>521088001>Better question is where did Andrew pick smoking up from?His dad
>>521087589>The entire reason Andrew started dating Julia was to deflect the incest allegations>The entire reasonDude he was a teenage boy, he would've went out with literally any girl that asked him out excluding maybe the school's 300 pounds fatass.
>>521088059well the result is 6 dead and demons entering our worldgg Andrew
>>521087642>>521087816
Imagine what it was like the first time Andrew slept over with Julia, how Ashley must have cried knowing that a cute hussie with really big boobs took Andrew's first time.
>>521088089Renee's dream dick
>>521088157>>521088043
>>521088089The good ending
>>521088359that's not Douglas'
>>521088146Can someone edit her clothes to be red and blue with the bunny being yellow
>>521088487why the fuck does she look like fucking wilson from dont starve
>>521063938
>>521085623fuck I totally forgot the inventory even existed I didn't check any of these
>>521088229If you play the game you will see that this is the whole reason why he does it
>>521088489Actually that is Douglas'
>>521088703idk but I think it looks cool. That kinda style fits Coffin.
>>521088229It's literally the only reason he started dating Julia. Yeah, he got some sex out of it too, but that was more of a side benefit.
>>521088001>Because Ashley said she thought it was cool?Yes. She liked Andy because Andy did everything for her.
>>521087867It was more trouble than it was worth and Andrew knows that. He only kept it going after the rumors were quelled because he felt pity for how pathetically sad Julia was because of his actions with Nina.Then he realized he had an awakening and realized he was in love with Ashley and used Julia to try running from his feelings to pretend he was normal.He was so dedicated to running from these feelings that even when his pity for Julia ran out he continued the relationship because it was the easiest way to keep running from his even more developed feelings for Ashley despite that this whole thing was crushing his will live and gave him a midlife crisis at age 22.
NO CHARACTER MOTIVATIONS IN THIS GAME CAN BE BOILED DOWN TO ONE SENTENCETHEY'RE COMPLICATED HUMAN BEINGS
>>521089413>Then he realized he had an awakening and realized he was in love with Ashley and used Julia to try running from his feelings to pretend he was normal.I really need to stop rambling and editing down posts without proofreading...
>>521088294How to unlock this vision?
>>521089570>THEY'RE COMPLICATED HUMAN BEINGSExcept for Ashley.
>>521089352>a side benefitDon't we find out that he doesn't even really enjoy the sex with Julia?
>>521089661I think that's the coffee mug vision, the coffee mug is in the area where you summon lord unknown/chase Ashley
>>521089570Fuck, I love organs.
>>521089570"Money would be nice" - Soda guy
>>521088089saved
>>521089264>>521088487invader zim vs andy and leyley as children sounds fun
>>521089570i want to this to be canon
>>521089775>"The sex was fine"but yes, it was only physical pleasure and he didn't really derive anything else from it
i think ashley would be deeply annoying to be around irl
Ashley? More like DumbleyDumbley? More like StupidleyStupidley? More like Retardley
>>521090425So would you.
>>521090425Well she is a woman
>>521090425I think Ashley would be deadly to be around irl (and that turns me on)
>>521090465This>>521090478This
>>521090425wow really anon you don't think
>>521090432>RetardOof, yikes, this ain't it chief
>>521090425As presented in the story, yesHowever, I have no such qualms about fucking my sister and actually came onto her when I was younger, so
>>521090425moment to moment yeah but her good days would ruin you for other women forever
>>521064181The point is that they are at once both one another's victims and aggressors.
>>521089570Only need to elaborate when it's assumed the reader isn't capable of deciphering the deeper context in a statement.
>>521090639probably larp but post already
LeyLey would be good friends with yuno
>>521090642this
>>521090642explain
renee dealing with hussies that were lusting your doug
>>521090770There's not much to say, desu. It wasn't common, but I lightly flirted with her when I was a kid and once tried cuddling in bed with her and got a boner. She didn't like that and kicked me out of bed.
>>521075567>According to Nemlei the tarddrew vision is canon with exception to Andrew being that stupid, meaning that if he accepted the olive branch Renee would have hired a hitman to kill him>>521077171>If it's just Andrew, this still doesn't add up right to me. She knows he's not the type to snitch, and both of them know that he just wants to leave and go away and never contact her again.Guess what? You're both right.Right above >>521075567 in the Q&A devlog saying that character actions besides tarddrew being in character is >>521077171 saying that Renee and Andrew are similar and a peace deal would have been possible... but Ashley ruined it.>But as seen in the game, the situation escalates before anyone can get a word in. Because of this, mom's plan changes to that seen in the Olive Branches gag. What little goodwill remained for her shitty kids has been irreversibly exhausted.So yeah, Ashley fucked all of them over.
>>521091446>yourforwtf
>>521075567>tarddrew vision is canonwhich one
>>521079278>the filenamekek
i feel like my choice here depends on something, is it?
>>521091586>What little goodwill remained for her shitty kids has been irreversibly exhausted.I was told Nemlei supposedly hated the mother
>>521091867The extra one you unlock called Olive Branch, where he totally accepts the parents deal and sets them free
>>521092048Andy is a fail state ending, you'll go back to the choice at the end.Andrew leads to two proper endings depending on a choice in episode 2.
>>521092112Is this something i missed or dont remember from episode 2?
>>521092048andy is the true canon ending
>>521092075Certainly feels like it. The bonus visions are funny but getting pissy over fanfiction is never a good look from an author either. Crack takes and ships are just part of fandom.
>>521092307It's a part of the new update, I don't remember how you unlock that particular vision unfortunately.
>>521092439>getting pissy over fanfictionwhen did that happened?
>>521092048Andy is the true ending of the whole story.
>>521092048Andy is canon ending, andrew branches into burial
>>521092579it comes with the vision room
>>521092618The bonus visions that are direct refutations of things the fans talked about, the bitchy tangents in game about "Andrew wants his sister, he must want the rest of his family too", etc etc.
Andrew is a product of his environment, but I am pretty sure Ashley could never have been normal.
>>521092048Andrew unlocks the actual endings
I still wish Renee had to suffer. She just died too quick. I hope at least we get a vision of Ashley torturing her
>>521092439>Certainly feels like it.If she did hated the mother she would make her relationship with the dad so cute like it wasMaybe she hates shippers that put her with Andrew, but i also hate them
>>521092048Andy is a failed state, Andrew gives you the actual endings and a ton of cute moments
>>521092579>I don't remember how you unlock that particular vision unfortunatelyis there a video of all the visions you can unlock?
>>521060831I suspect Andrew embracing his true nature here means he's becoming a tar soul, that and the deal with lord unknown marked him as well hence why I think in the decay route when he said he's "disappointed" could imply in Burial we see Andrew just be mask off with his actions while Ashley not really knowing what to do in that situation since he methods to get his affection required manipulation for the most part.
>>521078124>has a cute gf >said gf is into role playing as the (older?) abusive sister>god I wish that was me.jpeg
How do I leave Ashley? I'm at the bus stop but Andrew wont go anywhere
>>521092883>>521093045FUGnow i have to replay till that moment to choose andrew..
>>521093178Yes, Faz Faz on youtube has all the visions
>>521093412No? Just keep playing Andy and the game throws you back to the original choice.
You guys are fucking weird.
>>521093412don't worry, picking andy is a short route that ends quickly with nemlei calling you a faggot bitch and offering to take you back to choose again
>>521078124I think she wants you to rape her while shes drunk
>>521093436there's only 5?
>>521093556>>521093635oh alright, thanks
>>521093557I'm not fucking weird, I'm fucking my sister
>>521093557no u
Saw this in another thread and had to make it into an image.
>>521093178https://youtu.be/70ZTKhQQjuc?si=uTmhTs9gxAayPOjp
The Altar of Douglas and Renee
What kind of real life movies would Leyley enjoy?
>>521094237Just generic stuff that she's told is edgy and scary like Hostel
>>521089570Did you know wood is made from trees?
>>521094237Flowers in the Attic
>>521093557and your body is overwhelmingly compromised of empty space. What other shocking revelations might you experience today?
>>521094237
>>521091051kek
>>521094237texas chainsaw massacre
I cant tell, is Ashley disgusted by her brothers sexual attraction or not
>>521094290Do you guys think she actually said that or is that just Andrew not listening to her so it all just sounds stupid?
>>521094441No
>>521094441No but Leyley only sees it as another lever to get Andrew to give her affection, she doesn't want sex she's just a little kid
>>521094237she already told you in episode 2basically extremely gory and violent splatter movies with crass humour
>>5210765451. He thinks locking people up like cattle is hot.2. The mom already figured out the parasites aren't real. She does ask if they can be helped but the Surgeon says that they will be dead very soon by "parasites". By involving the parents in the scheme, he's got them under control and quiet. People already asked why the company just didn't kill the whole family. They were ready to do that to the entire building and trick the parents to joining the kids. This was probably the last chance to make a deal before they did just disappear the mom for being too much of a hassle.
>>521094290I hate her so much
>>521094494I think she did she probably read it on a popsicle or something and thought it was cute
>>521094237god without a universe
>>521093436>>521094067So the 302 girl really tried attacking him
>>521094441No. She even tried to open up to him and give it a chance. But Andrew shot her down so she went back to leyley
>>521094614kek
>>521094441leyley sees it as a tool to manipulate andy withashley loves himthat's why andrew wants to kill off leyley (and andy)
>>521094580i know, I am asking for examples though
>>521094040This scene hit me in the feels, with Ashley breaking down in tears after realising she flippantly broke her promise to Andrew.
>>521094614meh, wasnt as good as the first one
>>521094494>>521094629She was trying to tell him a joke
>>521094441No, she's 15-16 mentally as an adult so she was like 10 mentally as a teenager. Sex was icky to her but maybe not with her brother if he's willing to marry her and treat her like a princess yada yada yada. You know? Young girl logic.
>>521094441If she doesn't see it as romantic I think so
>>521094614wait its real?
>>521094441Leyley, her childish persona, is. Ashley is interested in sex herself. Andrew's rejection when they were teens mindfucked Ashley and left her stuck in arrested development as Leyley.
>>521094802And it's why Ashley knows she can't trust Andrew to keep a promise. They're the same person and she sure as shit can't.It's also devastating that their mom cares so little about them that them murdering a classmate is just an annoying headache
>You want a good girl but you need the bad pussy
>>521094891Duh. You really haven't seen it before?
>>521094891no
>>521094960not a gore person so no
>>521058697>>Holy fuck she wont shut up it's killing me [hums classical music to himself]>>[plap plap plap plap plap plap]Im imagining the plaps in sync with Habanera
>>521094998Found another outbreeder who doesn't know about it
>>521094938bad pussy because ashley has lubrification issues
>>521094608oh my fauci
>>521094938Dabid!
>>521087624Because she looks cool smoking.We know she did smoke before because why else would she keep the lighter.Cigarettes are expensive. She lets the dad smoke because she loves him. But she'd probably quit to save money.
>>521094237The hills have eyes for a plethora of reasons>incest>horror gore >is actually a superb series and most people don't know it was based on real story of incestuous irish cave cannibals
FUCKING BAKE A NEW BREAD!!!
>>521095374>because why else would she keep the lighterBecause it's a good memento of Douglas
>>521094923But Andrew literally never broke a promise he gave to Ashley.
>>521094919I think thay stunted Ashleys development more than anything. She was maturing and it looked like she had genuine romantic/sexual feelings for Andrew and was trying to come on to him, but the rejection fucked her up and caused her to stop maturing out of fear itd drive Andrew further away.
>>5210954103 MORE PAGES YOU LITTLE SHIT
>>521093557Didn't know Ashely changed her name to Weird.
>>521095708I HATE YOU!
Wish I could put my life on pause sometimes so I could properly deal with the feelings this game inflicts on me every time there is content. But Time is merciless and I must move on.
>>521095398total julia death
>>521095410fuck off. no early bread. we wait for page 9
>>521095398Total Julia Existance
Billions must Julia
>>521095398total julia expulsion
>>521095842This game made me have feelings againAlmost none of them were pleasant
>>521095830*lunges for her throat*
>>521095673>Makes promise it will only be him and Ashley>within seconds tries to change the rules to include other people
>>521095910nigger.
>>521096063>it will only be him and Ashley>words Andy has not uttered at any point during the blood oath
>>521095398Total Julia Admission
>>521096063He promised hed make her a priority. Ashley being a dumbassley and not paying attention to deals is a recurring thene in this game.
>>521092075Nah. She's her favorite character! (having this be the picture that follows the question when every other picture in the devlog is relevant might be a clue... obligatory "dad is the favorite lol")But seriously. She does the most awful things to her. But the fans going absolutely nuts for her and wanting to redeem the evil woman who did nothing wrong has made Nemlei have to actually fill in her backstory.Hell, she didn't even have a name until Chapter 3's previews.
>YWN get a cute sister to be overly handsy withWhy live?
>>521096438>>521096438>>521096438
>>521096320>has made Nemlei have to actually fill in her backstory.You people are delusional. Mom was always going to have her story filled in, she's central to Andrew and Ashley's development. This story was written a year ago and well before (You) ever saw this game on Twitter
>>521095398incest has fallen
>>521095398total julia de-atomization
>>521095398Ashley and Andrew deserve each other so I can have Julia
>>521096369There's no reason
>>521096320>Nemlei have to actually fill in her backstory.She played herself if true because that just made the mother cuter and now i want a prequel about her and her husband
>>521096459Right, it was all written down and absolutely no changes, rewrites and expansion of the scope and story that would require delays and multiple polls about the delays happened.Sure.
>>521097793>newfag outs himselfKWAB. Read the devlogs, the delays are gameplay related
>>521097793
>>521099861>>521099998All it means is that she changed it to cater to degenerates so the opposite direction.
>>521095180>lubrificatioj
>>521100727>nothing changes means she changed itNot my fault you got BTFO completely, newfag
>>521101068Ashley played dumb when Renee brought up Nina despite the fact that she broke the blood oath to tell her. I'm also not convinced that episode 1 Andrew knew about the voicemails.
>>521101429>Ashley played dumb when Renee brought up Nina despite the fact that she broke the blood oath to tell herBecause breaking the oath was a mistake, so she stuck to it after that>I'm also not convinced that episode 1 Andrew knew about the voicemailsWomp womp
>>521096459NTA, but I always treat anything an author says about their own work as a big pit of lies, changing my mind if and only if there's incontrovertible proof to the contrary.I don't doubt that Nemlei wrote out the vast majority of the story in advance, but insisting that there have been absolutely no alterations or second-guessing in the time since seems like a bizarre hill to die on.>>521101429One of the visions in the vision room (far left) confirms he absolutely knew about the voicemails, because Julia made him listen to them.
>>521101690What about Renee?>paraphrasing 'I knew you two lil psychos did something as soon as she was found dead near that warehouse you used to play it' No, she knew about it as soon as Leyley confessed to murder.
>>521102075>but insisting that there have been absolutely no alterations or second-guessing in the time since seems like a bizarre hill to die on.It's called knowing ball>>521102078>No, she knew about it as soon as Leyley confessed to murder.>he didn't play the gameShe didn't know. She thought Leyley was lying. It wasn't until she saw the news that she realized
>>521096320>But seriously. She does the most awful things to heri dont get it, youre saying nemlei likes her or not
>>521094290
>>521094494she was most likely just trying to make a joke but andrew really couldn't care less
