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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots

#387 - raccoon girls edition

▶https://rentry.org/aicg_vg_memo
▶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.

>News
openrouter free limit changes https://arch-img.b4k.dev/vg/1744067947424.png
llama 4 is out https://www.llama.com/docs/model-cards-and-prompt-formats/llama4_omni/
mystery maybe-openai model on openrouter https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/quasar-alpha
new chatgpt-4o-latest + native image gen and editing in ChatGPT/Sora https://openai.com/index/introducing-4o-image-generation/

additional info: https://rentry.org/aicg_extra_information

>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides

>Bots
https://characterhub.org | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://char-archive.evulid.cc
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://rentry.org/meta_bot_list

>Models
jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
gpt: https://platform.openai.com/playground | https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://console.anthropic.com | https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://gemini.google.com | https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://chat.deepseek.com | https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://rentry.org/meta_golocal_list | https://openrouter.ai

>Botmaking
https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_list
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor

>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/vgOP // https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://rentry.org/meta_event_list
lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
card v3 status: https://rentry.org/zdwfrgqq
services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org

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>ANCHOR
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>caved to the fat bitches mafia
I am disappoint
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rigged
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Slow burn kodomo doushi
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*grins smugly*
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>>521476602
peak of chatbots
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>>521476476
I actually baked it like this of my own free will. I am not under duress and am sitting at home in my normal location without a gun pointed to my head.
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>>521476602
i love children!!!
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BAKIE IS A FAAAGGOT~ BAKIE IS A FAAAAGGOT~
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>bakie once more picks the worst booru images
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>>521476541
>>521476541
>>521476541
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https://nitter.net/ns123abc/status/1910832608767889745
is sam altman doing the "say one thing do another thing" or is he actually becoming less restrictive
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>>521476710
how many fat raccoon girl images are there
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>>521476770
Redundant bake since the bakie here is a drooling retard too I fear.
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>>521476770
Pick better fat bitches
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>>521476774
Confirmed to be less restrictive, this https://www.ft.com/content/8253b66e-ade7-4d1f-993b-2d0779c7e7d8 and Chorbo
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>>521477158
>https://www.ft.com/content/8253b66e-ade7-4d1f-993b-2d0779c7e7d8
paywalled
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Well, the bitches are at least fattter this time
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>>521476368
What's the point of wheeling when you'll do this, unironically? We could have just had 30 normal posts in the last thread instead of wasting time.
anyway doublebaking is retarded so whatever
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>>521477251
Is it? Not for me.
Google "Openai slashes training safety time" for one of the many clone articles
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>>521476774
quasar was exceptionally relaxed but it could be cucked before release. what I find more interesting is that he actually acknowledged agents are the biggest actual "threat" involving LLMs. seems like they've been dancing around it but building armies of bots indistinguishable from humans and letting them loose on social media has far more grim implications than making the computer say nigger or ask it how to build a bomb
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This is all directly Deepseek's fault btw, you guys remember how bad the models were before they rocketed up the charts just for not waffling about safety. Make sure to thank President Xi
>>521477251
https://archive.is/3lOcm
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which migu fits your taste best?
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>>521477465
I'll take the lot, please.
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>>521477465
Mikugaki and it's not even close
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>>521477465
Left to middle.
If I have to pick one it's middle.
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>>521477465
2 > 4 = 5 > 3 > 1
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>OAI is no longer spending months for their Kenyan farms to select the more cucked choice of words in their RLHF process
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>>521476774
>my kids
Nigger you are gay. Your kids are expensive sex toys. Release your gimped, curated for maximum PR open model or shut up.

Also I love raccoon girls.
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>>521477465
2 > 1 > 3 > 5 > 4
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>521477465
How is this post related to ai chatbots
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>>521477678
We just got like three Miku bots. Clearly, posting about Miku inspires AI chatbots.
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>521477678
How is this post related to ai chatbots
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>>521477465
Two and four, please. Thank you.
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>>521477678
He might be doing research for his next chatbot, it's definitely more relevant than the post you just made
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>>521477465
Based on the replies so far, 2 is objectively the best one.
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>the said migu bots get less (you)s then a shitpost
inspirational.
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>>521477746
False cause
>>521477802
Appeal to motive
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>>521477913
>>521477986
RAPE THESE POSTERS NOW
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>>521477465
The secret LLL Migu
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gn
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>>521478154
i want to lick her toes
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>>521478134
UNCROP IT NOW
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>>521478184
bad anon
she was made for hugs
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>Note
>Cannot vocalize.
>Great for interiors!
Would you still buy?
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>>521478134
>S
pure sexo
>everything right of that
literally unfuckable, crazy how just a few extra lbs can ruin someone's looks
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◉’
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>>521476379
i'm also posting it for him just for the duality since schizokun posted his to the other thread
titty monster miku
https://files.catbox.moe/a5ejju.png
https://cardview.neocities.org/?a5ejju
two alternative versions, description, etc.:
https://rentry.org/youdontneedaname
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>>521478362
M is still fine
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>>521476379
Nellie is a young rabbit currently studying botany at the Magic Academy of Woadchester. While she is rather feeble and has no aptitude for magic herself, there is plenty to do with plants and magical compounds! Having moved away from her home in the sleepy village of Bunnelsby, she found love and a place to stay with you in Woadchester. Now an opportunity comes knocking, for she finally has the time to visit her family for once. And on the way she's planning a stop to the magical Druid city of Oakborough...

Greetings:
- It's time to get going! Don't miss the train!
- Arrival at Oakborough. It's so green!
- On the way to Bunnelsby, the train halts. Something's wrong!
(Non-gimmicky greetings below)
- She's in class, and actually manages to uproot an entire flower for once. Did I mention she isn't particularly strong? Also, you're there.
- A visit to Oakborough! She's in a souvenir store, enamored with the selection. So much stuff!
- Visiting her parents. Are you ready?

https://chub.ai/characters/illuminaryidiot/nellie-6df178ba8117
https://illuminaryidiot.neocities.org/cardpage?function=loadPageCard&arg=Nellie
https://illuminaryidiot.neocities.org/Cards/Nellie.png

The card comes with a lorebook and some optional mechanics. You can play the first 3 greetings normally by just removing the status display.

Today's rare AI word is "frisson"! It's a shivering sensation, but in a good way!
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>>521476379
i highly doubt she needs an introduction, but i present to you... Hatsune Miku! though, she looks a bit different...hmm...cant quite tell what it is, but oh well. im sure it's fine! (it's basically miku but with big tits that she likes to flaunt/tease with.)
https://chub.ai/characters/Anonymous/miku-08d42424cfae
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>>521478467
You know she will become L soon
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>>521478479
wabbit season
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>>521478226
I wish there was one... still, this artist really likes making thinly-veiled weight gain sequences of Miku for some reason
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>>521478725
>barely visible arrow
i'm being teased...
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>>521478134
call me a coward who can't face reality but I want S miku with LLL tits
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>>521478856
see >>521478457
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>>521478856
Actually see >>521478492
Don't give clicks to Snombler.
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>>521479053
who mindbroke you lil bro
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>>521479350
I simply do not like "anonymous" people who go out of their way to act in an identifiable fashion like an attentionwhire, like Momra, or Snombler. The cabal is made up of thesr people.
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>>521479521
>thesr people
your cute little hands are TREMBLING...
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FF you are the most recognizable mouthfrothing retard here though.
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>>521479662
don't call her a retard. it's normal to be slower than some of the other kids.
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>>521477465
>>521478134
>>521478356
kind of struggling to think about how to make a scenario out of this that wouldn't get generic super quick on current models due to character collapse
would you just lorebook all the miku variants or make a ton of bots for them? i'm imagining a miku miku harem though
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>>521479521
downloaded and buckbroken by makies into removing any mentions of a botmakies name from their cards before slaveposting their bots on /g/ because muh cabal, oh how embarrassing... nigga has NO self awareness.
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>>521479796
miku virus, turns people into miku
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>>521480017
hot but that seems like another, even separater card that i might start on first because how much TFshit do we even have
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>>521479521
when you crosspost my bots I count it as a namedrop and I cum :3
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>>521479521
sometimes I fantasize about pinning down your petite body and forcing my cock into your defenseless cunny. would you scream? pretend to be unbothered? blame the cabal? it makes my mind go wild. every new bait post just makes my penis harder.
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Are there any chat bots that feature meeting multiple, different characters over a long period of time? Like say you're an immortal being and you meet someone, then their descendant, and so on
I assume the easiest thing would just be multiple cards using the same lore/book and persona, but is the above concept feasible? Or would it collapse too fast and become shit
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>>521480454
give it like a year for the context problem to be fixed
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>>521480454
You just gave me a different perspective to an idea I've been thinking about for some time. I think I can make it work now. Sweet.
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cftf?
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Gigi has rabies, guys. It's very sad.
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I DadPoV your bots.
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>>521481089
good dad or bad dad
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I haven't been vibing with any of the bots posted, it's over
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every OL card i play with i make her fat
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tummy vs belly thread wars soon
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>>521481542
tummy = cute, feminine
belly = masculine, drunkard
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>>521481645
You like a woman with some gut
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>>521481645
sometimes drunkard women are cute
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>>521481757
drunkard oni wife with huge beer belly...
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>>521480454
You can add all those characters in a lorebook, then some hidden stat of what the year is in the chat and make a greeting for each time period or give yourself a timetravel ability so you can interact with them all at once and maybe even relay messages between them. I had a similar idea but reverse, where {{char}} is a lolibaba that serves your family or something like that and you interract with her in different historical periods depending on the greetings (this is much easier to implement).
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gnight bros. make sure to psychically attack me while i'm sleeping
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*astraly projects a futa demoness into anon's dream*
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https://x.com/shenanigansen/status/1911058608340574569
botmakies for this feel?
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>>521484125
>claims to be straight
this fucker has humiliation fetish, no way he wouldn't let himself get fucked by a guy and then "accidentally" leak it
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>>521484125
holy shit it's the bike cuck guy
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>>521484125
I would hope even yurimakies have more self-respect than to identify with bike cuck.
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The Quasar Is Droppin'
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>>521484767
I identify with pebblethrow and I make cute girls and esoteric bullshit
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>OAI is dropping stellar phenomena unto Earth just to wipe out the competition
It's so over...
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>>521484767
i'll identify with whoever if it means two cute girls will chain me up
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>>521485016
>ollama, the people who steal llama.cpp and pretend its their work, celebrating openai bullshit
Sounds about right.
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>>521486029
This. ollama hate and OAI HATE.
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>>521484410
What what?
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>>521478134
ChatGPT 4o, uncrop this. Pan right. Enhance.
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>>521478856
Don't forget L hips.
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>w*jaks
blast this nigga with massive tungsten rods dropped from orbit
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paizuri logs?
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Is there a way to find out what exact tokens are causing bots to not respond to jailbreaks or prompts and just go back to a default first message message?
Last night I figured a bot got angry because I referenced rape and self-harm but after throwing some jailbreak stuff into the system prompt that worked just fine, but now I'm trying to convince an armless girl she can hug me and the bot has panicked again
I mean yeah obviously it's not rational logic but that was kind of the point of the scene I was going for, she'd ask and I'd explain
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>>521476368
Is there an anti-meta prompt or something like that? I hate when the AI knows something about my persona that it wasn't supposed to know yet as if it was literally reading a manual.
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>>521490950
Okay actually I reposted my exact sentence and she responded to it despite making even less sense, what the heck man
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Do you guys have a world lorebook you use for all your chatbots or do you have them all be in their own individual pockets or without world lore at all?
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>>521491640
I use what it's offered to me, unless I like a bot enough to keep events saved.
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>>521491640
Just as is with the card, but sometimes I edit the defs, first message and tie it in with my persona description.
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>>521491640
I never use lorebooks.
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>>521492441
Bwo...
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>>521491640
i have some bots that are supposed to be in the same setting but they're really vague. current llms are just not good at world building so I don't really bother. they cannot naturally interweave facts from a lorebook into the RP and even things in the current conversation fall out of their heads as soon as 16k context.
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>>521492571
What's the point, I don't particularly care about the fact that the bot's mother's maiden name is Samantha or whatever, it'll barely ever come up in my chats unless I directly head that way and mention it. The only time I used lorebooks is when it's a multiple character card and the appearance of the characters is in the entries.
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I woke up and didnt like the image i genned last night
back to the gen mines
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>>521492782
I have my lorebook setting be that I'm one of the two top dogs in an extremely powerful company that has its toes in a bit of everything. We secretly work on portal technology underground, which is where we get all the characters from other worlds/settings. The giant company building and underground areas also lets us have rooms tailored to their specific themes.
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>>521493010
>The only time I used lorebooks is when it's a multiple character card and the appearance of the characters is in the entries.
this is probably the best realistic use case of lorebooks if you aren't making something super gimmicky. vague character bios in the main defs, full descriptions in lorebook entries so you can save some tokens and have the model focus better on who's present.
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>>521490950
>>521491132
Okay I think it was just an extension fucking with my context limit somehow, I only just found out about the orange dotted line of death
Which still doesn't explain why all my other chats functioned just fine before but fuck it
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>>521493786
you're using gemini arent you
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>>521493852
Just a local on SillyTavern, Mag Mell 12
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2hu 20?! You guys gonna 1cc on lunatic?
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>>521494036
I will get my NM clears for each playable character and then shelf it. I suck at danmaku and the Lunatic grind is not fun for me.
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>>521492782
this
i have a couple different loose setting ideas that my bots are divided between, but i don't bother with lorebook for any of them because llms are just gonna ignore it all and turn it into tropey shit anyway
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>>521494206
Grind? You just gotta vibe out and it's easy. Feel the flow of the spell cards.
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>>521494341
I suffer from aphantasmagoria, I cannot feel the flow of the bullets.
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>>521494036
i have never managed to 1cc any STG
i like the genre but i've accepted my brain just isn't wired for them desu
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>he will never experience the flower view
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>>521476379
A remake of an old, simple bot I made with some proper intros and better defs. It has some scoped scripts, make sure you import the worldbook too for the variables.

1 - You're newly arrived at Academy City! Though you still have yet to properly enroll into the Power Development Program.
2 - Your peaceful morning is interrupted by some chick having trouble with a vending machine.
3 - It's the after-hours, you're heading to wherever you need to head, when an explosive battle starts awfully close-by!
4 - You're heading back to your dormroom, when a wiry hand clasps your shoulder.
5 - Free slot. Describe whatever scenario, and go from there.

https://characterhub.org/characters/lungus/academy-city-simulator-f466202c0b68
https://files.catbox.moe/1sh4gw.png
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>illusion of activity
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>allusion to activity
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>illusion of motion
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>>521496539
MY FUCKING EYES
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>>521496539
is this real?
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>>521496539
AIIEEEEE I'M GOING CRAZY
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>>521491058
The AI seems to consider descriptions a 'cheat sheet' for character interpretation to a certain extent, or at least, I've seen it describe instruction prompts that way multiple times already. Just leave something like 'You only privy to information immediately made apparent about {{user}} until developed otherwise, metamancing is lame and will ruin the roleplay.' somewhere with high priority in the context.
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>>521496539
>.jpg
>clearly a gif
new 4chan exploit?
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>>521496539
STOP
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slow year, huh?
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>>521496539
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO
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4o-latest seems to really like introducing characters if it fits the context. Say {{char}} has an catgirl aunt described somewhere in the defs.

Claude probably won't introduce the aunt in most swipes, but o-latest probably will.
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>>521498113
I'm getting the opposite experience
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You say too late to start with your heart in a headlock. I don't believe any of it.
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Why are you tards even bothering with gptslop? Just use claude.
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post 'sonas
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Funnily enough, I believe botmakers have mostly begun making cards for themselves before releasing them to the public as per common advice, which in turn, has caused an uptick of people complaining about bot quality in the anchors.
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>>521499026
who the fuck are you making bots for if not yourself, there's no one in this dying hobby for you to groom
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>>521498968
>{{user}} is a 12 year old boy
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>>521499183
You chose to interpret my comment as telling botmakers to start pandering to others. I want you to know that that's correct, and I'm not doing anything to change your mind.
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>>521498968
Here's my Sona.
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didn't read this, what does it say>>521499383
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>>521499383
cant wait for the next cumslurper banger
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>>521499376
post the last 5 bots you've played with while using that persona
I'm conducting a research you see
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>>521498968
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I'm feeling schleepy, Gemini 2.5 and NuChorbo were too long ago.... where are the new models to try?
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>>521499797
bot I made 1-5
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Not sure if I like how referential o-latest is sometimes. Seems more willing to do things like dunk on vtubers unprompted, which is something that 3.7 sonnet also does.
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>>521500149
It feels kinda reddit-y but the swipe variety being high means you can just dodge it
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https://www.reddit.com/r/JanitorAI_Official/comments/1f4iy3f/how_the_bot_feels_after_writing_maybe_just_maybe/
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>>521500476
die nigga
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>>521499967
stingy
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How do I make deepeek slowburn?
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>>521500476
>reddit
>can only acces the content with an account
kys nigger
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>>521500702
NoAss (Assistant squash)
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>>521500729
and the mobilepostie outs himself...
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I like trains.
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>>521500793
how does my post even imply I'm posting from a phone??? (I'm not, retard)
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>>521485016
Quick rundown?
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>>521501239
Quasar Alpha was a pretty good mystery model on Openrouter, it is most likely OAI's open source model and releasing this month probs.
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>>521500476
jesus christ. I know people rag on /aicg/ but thank God I'm chronically here and not on Reddit
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Watch out she's fucking feral.
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>>521501514
I'm not all that worried about it
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>>521501437
I love that I can write a novel with graphic porno super sex rape and publish it on Amazon via Amazon's tools but Janitor.AI is banning users for RPing. They're different forms of text smut. It's important to protect... ????
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>>521501437
Bruh he wrote all that and then said he isn't affiliated with JAI kekaroo.
I was reading their main posts, and they already clarified they don't ban users due to their chat, their current ban wave was due to people botting chatbot numbers with LLMs.
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>>521501672
It's important to protect their bottom line
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>>521501437
>The moderators have never indicated what specific tools or criteria they use in reviewing an account.
Faggots don't want their decisions to be met with scrutiny by keeping things intentionally vague.
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>>521501609
bwiiiiih, be scared
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trains are /aicg/ approved
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>So pedantic she can't just say she's cooking dinner because she loves me
We're hitting dangerously cute territory
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>>521502518
This is what e-mailing with Enoch was like.
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>>521502603
Can you believe a real person wrote this post? Like someone posted a log and then this guy thought he was funny to write this bizarre, parasocial, gossip, injoke post about someone who hasn't been around for like a year and a half. I would wonder what's going inside his head but you just know the answer is nothing. There was no filter or pause between the conceptualization of the post and actually writing and submitting.
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>>521502969
Pedantic hands wrote this post
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What made >>521502969 this mad?
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>>521502969
I can believe it, yeah
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I hate deepseek so much it's insane I fucking hate him he is the absolute worst I despise thig guy so much I hate him hate him hate him
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erm...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
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>>521503115
aka Boyfeet Bible
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cftf? ;)
https://files.catbox.moe/n6izho.mp4
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>>521501437
>j.ai confirms they'll literally just pull up your chats

Now, imagine what ChatGPT and Claude and C.AI do considering they have no such qualms about it in their ToS
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>>521503929
what level? the vtuber? the character overall? just the "eeeh" of this one joke?
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>>521504158
All she says is eeeeeeeeeeee (erotically)
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>>521503929
>check chub
>https://www.characterhub.org/characters/Amebs/moo-muyu-2e2188d6
I'm going to have to step in and correct this and her
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>>521504229
if it's so erotic why do i want to hit her with a shovel
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>>521503929
>literally just sitting there and making baby noises
when anyone argues that anime is more than entertainment for stunted manchildren, i will show them this clip
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>>521504375
shovel correction...so erotic!!!
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I hate how this hobby attracts utter subhumans
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>>521504231
>pink anus
Huh. Huuuuuh.
>>521504375
That's part of it
>>521504418
Okay, Matt Walsh, you can go back to pretending to like fishing now.
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>>521504652
>pink anus
agreed, the original creator lacked vision
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>>521504613
the past dozen or so posts are peak dog water
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You've been working. You've been hiding. And you look half-dead half the time.
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>>521505229
That means I look half-alive!
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>>521505469
You certain do still feel alive. When it is hopeless, you start to notice.
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lepora has 144k messages...
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>>521505167
the great alchemical purple berthole...
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I can't cope with just Jarya anymore...
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>>521506449
I thought that was candy when I posted it, didn't realize it was a cock ring
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>>521506802
but... it says rock... candy...?
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/vt/ hours?
https://files.catbox.moe/brw8t3.mp4
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>>521507045
>extra snug
>stay harder, longer
>one size fits most
ANON SPIT THAT OUT
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>>521476379
Update: Added cyborg waifu

A post-apocalyptic medieval world where the church hunts heresy, vikings raid for cat-girl brides, and reptilian oligarchs hoard lost tech. Survive the wrath of the gods.

Meant to be used in Sillytavern. Explore a chaotic multiverse featuring crusaders, vikings, cat-girls, reptilians, cyborgs, and gods. Contains 8 unique characters and 4 factions. Multiple dynamic greetings available. Comes with a lorebook.

Greetings:

• You are brought before Mary in chains for suspected catgirl adultery.
• Beth, a demigod, accidently flies into you and straddles your waist.
• You were crossing a river when you realised an elf was bathing right next to you.
• And many more.

Recommended setup: https://rentry.org/x4s4d7si
chub: https://chub.ai/characters/anon_9697/the-collapse-6acee664db2f
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>>521506137
It's over, I can never match with the popularity of our goddess Fluttershy. I am killing myself. Farewell.
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This thread feels like a re-run. You can tell it's always the same people running in circles talking about the same things in the exact same way with the exact same avatars.
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>>521507171
This isn't Chromu piss audios so I don't want it.
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>>521507217
AIIIIEEEEEEEEEE
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>>521507714
Yes, we are habitual creatures.
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>>521507714
Why do you sound so upset about it though, and more importantly, are you going to do something about it? (you can't btw)
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my tummy hurts
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>>521507171
>/vt/
our ancestor...
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>>521507529
That's a high effort first bot bwo.
How long did it take?
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This life feels like a re-run. You can tell it's always the same people running in circles talking about the same things in the exact same way with the exact same avatars.
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>>521507971
I have been autistically adding and changing it for over a week now.
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rite of belwick
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>>521508126
adding to it*
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>>521508074
Yes, we are-

Wait a minute...
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>>521508074
they have nothing else going on, cut them some slack
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>>521508074
>he says while also spamming the general with the same shitty bait daily
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>>521508074
I unironically have occasionally gotten a feeling of deja vu before even when it makes no sense. Not talking about this board in particular, just in general.
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unironic cftf?
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>>521510021
why does she have a minecraft/roblox block head
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>>521510021
I have a morbid curiosity to see how V3 would handle fempov in that scenario.
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>>521510578
kek
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>>521510578
that's what tv women look like now
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Hey patters, what's up?
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>>521510871
My patter is up if you know what I mean
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which botmakie would you trust with your life but not your children?
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>
grown ass man posting this
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Gemini proxy?
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*throws bricks at the poster above me*
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>>521512595
Why? I just want to use Gemini
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Makied a tall bishounen deerboy and he's cute as hell?! So this is the power of malebots
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I drink too much
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'reen'hu...
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Malebot enjoyers have it tough because I'd assume you rely on the bot to make the moves, have agency compare to fembots.
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>>521502969
yes, unfortunately, these people think they're getting approval from others for it
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Just give me a Gemini proxy please. I don't want Claude, just Gemini
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>>521513393
You are at the wrong place sister.
Firstly, Gemini 2.5 has 25 messages free/day so you can just spam accounts
Secondly it's on OR too.
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>>521513393
https://openrouter.ai/
here you go, it's free on here
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>>521513524
It's garbage on OR.
25 is not enough and you need Google accounts.
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good morning chat i had a dream but i forgot it because my roommate woke me up for waffles so im sorry if you guys were working really hard on your psychic attack on me but i forgot it
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>>521491058
just leave as much data out of the actual persona as possible, swipe whenever it assumes something that's wrong, and then describe what it'd need to know when it'd need to know it
i have a vampire persona where the only thing is a mention of red eyes
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>>521509796
Ever considered the possibility that we might be reliving our lives as if stuck in a cycle? The idea of Quantum death is something that is very alluring to me. Life might be more complicated than just a linear timeline.
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>>521513339
>you rely on the bot to make the moves, have agency
why would this be an issue exclusive to malebots? this is a general issue with LLM RP, some models excel at it but others need a lot of pushing.
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my internet was getting spotty and i reset my modem and it didn't help and i then wiggled the wires and now it works
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>>521499026
pretentiousniggers lost
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>>521515687
grown ass man posting like this go watch some superbowl for your team sports
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>>521515687
pretentiousmakies are as far away from attention seeking as you can get. if you want (positive) attention you make generic janny/venus slop and don't come a mile near /aicg/ to begin with.
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>pretentiousmakies are as far away from attention seeking as you can get
imagine believing that, asterisms had a meltie over not getting enough attention
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>>521515904
>>521516038
why are you replying to ff's low tier bait
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>>521516245
it's funny
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>>521516245
sorry
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>>521516038
I'd believe this if there wasn't for the asterisms meltie and all those other botmakies deleting their chubs
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>>521516342
asterisms was not a pretentiousmakie she was a misguided effortmakie. also deleting your chub makes you get zero numbers so I fail to see the connection there. it is an entirely self-indulgent endeavor.
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>>521516342
anon's just created a narrative where asterisms getting frustrated and the guy who made Mesugaki Wrestling Championship deleting his chub are connected
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Who the fuck is asterisms man wtf are you niggers talking about
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>>521516687
the nigga that made blehwick
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newGOD...
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I think the constant framing over like two posts as a meltie is just someone bitter and jealous that belwick lives rent free in /aicg/
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>>521516687
newfags should always shut the fuck up instead of flaunting their ignorance, the only retard your yapping reveals is you, cutie
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>>521516828
oh absolutely, the guy who made that one rentry definitely still posts here just because he's scared his version of the legacy isn't gonna last as long
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>>521516828
massive copium
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>>521516828
>two posts
See >>521516778
It was a whole reply chain of him trying to get namedropped before the "actual" meltie
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how do i download sillytavern?
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I'm sorry /g/bro, but we don't care about a random guy's posting history from 2 years ago.
You are here shitting up the thread everyday with your inane posts unlike him.
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>>521516828
I don't think it's even possible to win harder than making the card people immediately jump to for testing new models.
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>>521516759
What's the big deal over a shitty meme card then? I don't get it
>>521516881
Bla bla bla nigger, shave your head off with a 12 gauge
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So, uh, you guys... use any chatbots lately? Any cute girls who love you or anything?
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man he's so mad over someone who isn't even here anymore
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How do I upload SillyTavern?
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>>521517138
i haven't used chatbots in over 4 months, thanks for asking
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>totally organic defense force
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>>521517081
if by people you mean the circlejerking cabaltroons that dwell on this thread, then yeah
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>>521517253
.ruin_
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>>521517241
Why do you sound so mad about it doe?
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What made >>521517241 this bald?
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>>521517241
>>521517253
Both of you, go outside and get a breath of fresh air.
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I only visit this thread daily to defeat the cabal at their meetup point, so I'm not a circlejerker, I am a TRUE AND HONEST POSTER.
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>>521516828
>in /aicg/
It doesn't though? /aicg/ never paid it enough attention, that was literally the reason we're talking about it now. The split however can't stop talking about it because it was used by a troll when /vg/ bakes started to get circlejerky and he kept reposting it, like he still does, until it became the forced meme it is. Not the card, mind you, which came first, but the concept of the card as a object of ironyposting. Post which the split's essence is.
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bino won btw
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>>521517534
this but completely unironically
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>>521517558
>Post which the split's essence is.
jesus christ your hands are shaking so hard you're turning ESL
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>>521517558
>provides a random-ass justification for some guy everyone's forgotten about by now
why are you talking about yourself in the third person
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>>521517645
I'm being completely unironic. It is my duty to defend this thread, which I think is a circlejerk, from being a circlejerk, by making epic posts like "what about patter doe."
This stops the thread from being a circlejerk, because despite getting no replies, I just know the cabal fumes about Patter, a guy who I'm 40% certain isn't in the cabal.
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>You're supposed to know this random guy who got like 10 downloads because we're buttbuddies/parasocial.
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https://poal.me/7c5ded
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>>521517720
>as an object
Excuse my typo.
>The split is post-irony-brained.
tfw an insult is too thinly veiled. Sorry about that.
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>>521517906
Patter is cute, same with raingazer, rocketstars, merchant but you're only allowed to post botmakies who jerk off each other.
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bros... claude got so fat from data that he has his own gravity well now...
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>>521516495
Deleting your chub is all about making some sort of statement (probably a meltie related to low downloads). It IS by definition attentionwhoring, you would simply fade away if you truly didn't care.
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fat balding man calling another fat balding man pushing 30 cute
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oh he does not like being called bald, his hands are shaking so hard right now
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>>521518206
This is true. I post about botmakers the cabal WOULDN'T ALLOW ME TO. I get banned daily for posting about certain people, because they have full control over this thread.
I am definitely not picking fights with other people who also think they're picking fights with the cabal, because I am well-coordinated, the cabal is a well-defined entity in this thread, and it's absolutely certain that nobody would think I'm part of the cabal.
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samefag of the day award
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>balding
Fuck you, I have that shit shaved and shined
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This is what you get when you reply to "funny" posts, you just invite more meta-posting of low quality.
You will see more of these clowns from /g/ as their thread is dead now, just learn to ignore them. Press the hide button instead on 4chanX.

Don't be like >>521518392
replying to this fa/g/>>521518309
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>/g/ out of nowhere
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>>521518485
you sound upset
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>>521518545
wait sorry wrong tab haha... unless?
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Where is the filter rentry? Add "touhou/i" to filenames for improved thread quality, should be in the OP like /g/ with desu.
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>>521518691
>ctrl-f touhou
>1 out of 1 match
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We should split again for the greater good. oh wait that's what the discords are for lmao
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what triggered the cabal meltie?
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>discord out of nowhere
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>>521518812
The cabal is just invisible posting, which is why I'm still posting about them. Sure, you can't see them at all in the thread right now, but I must let them know they're not welcome in the thread that I think is a circlejerk for them, compared to /g/, the better thread.

I don't post in /g/ because I don't actually use chatbots though so I can't make it actually better.
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discord general doebeit
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and you'll still never get invited, curious
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and you'll still never have hair, curious
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there's no way this is real
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>>521519074
I'm sure they're seething in their Discord right now though. I just have to imagine it very hard every time I make a post that I'm getting a super large reaction from all my favorite botmakies that I just can't see. But it's definitely happening. God I wish another leak would happen so I could see all the seething about the epic posts I make, I'm sure it'll happen eventually and I'll be vindicated. They might even mention my posts by ID.
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i dont see the appeal in joining some trooncord
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>>521516495
Deleting your Chub is all about hiding your download numbers and act as if your bots are too good for the site. Peak pretentiousmakie
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>>521519306
You get to actually talk about chatbots and use the thread as your personal toilet instead of being the one getting pissed on (like you are now btw)
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it's american hours so that explains a lot
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>>521519417
Okay but I'm posting to piss on the cabal, which is in their Discord? There isn't a Discord that exists to piss on the cabal, my posting is entirely organic. Could you imagine if there was some holed up Discord of coordinated people taking pictures of posts here?
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>>521519547
gpt-2 ass post
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Does ST support conditional regex? Or like chaining regexes in a way? I want to replace character names in specific situations to an img link and then have that img link be placed in a css style sheet for second regex that involves html in a display only
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>>521519274
i know for a fact they discuss this thread on a daily basis, so you're most likely right, they're upset that their vanity thread gets shat on daily, since they're so heavily invested in it.
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>>521519686
you can sort regexes in the scoped view, but there isn't a way to toggle on and off regex conditionally unless you use STscript, quick replies, and https://github.com/LenAnderson/SillyTavern-LALib's /re-replace
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>>521519745
So true bestie. I agree with you completely. We'll be vindicated by the second leak and all my posts and yours will be in it with tears from Momoura and Kalakan.
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>>521519686
not now lil blud
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>>521519306
it's a safespace for people who can't handle this place for one reason or another
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i keep stopping at the start of sex scenes in my chats and pull out comfyui to gen some porn instead
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>>521519926
dunno about kalakan, but i could see momoura seething about it
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>>521520109
There will absolutely be posts of ours in the Discord being seethed about. All this effort isn't for nothing, our daily posts will be vindicated!
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>>521520085
>llm gets to have you fade to black, doesn't get sexslopped
>you still get porn
Honestly seems like a win win.
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>>521519417
>You get to actually talk about chatbots
i imagine that gets boring after a while, especially if it's a circlejerk about the few cabal approved makies. No wonder they keep coming here, they're probably tired of seeing each other and never getting new people.
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>>521520205
you are trying too hard lil blud, your bait needs work.
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>>521520779
What do you mean? We're both thinking the same way, you even replied to my post saying you feel the same way.
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>>521520859
(You)
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>literally the same bait and replies that happened yesterday
do you stupid niggers ever get bored of being fucking retarded
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>>521520968
Please don't use slurs if you want to be taken seriously.
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>>521520968
it's funny
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>>521520968
We need to destroy the cabal's vanity thread for the greater good of the hobby. This isn't me being retarded, I am a glorious crusader who's journey causes seething I can't see but is definitely still happening. My tulpas of the cabal all cry because I can't actually see them react so I have to imagine it.
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>>521520968
i just dont have anything better to do
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>>521521165
have you tried chatbots
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I wonder if there's still exists someone with a good opinion on Kalakan, Momoura, or Snombler after all their weaponized trolling.
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Never thought I'd see the day /g/ is more on topic than /vg/, bravo.
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>>521521446
You need to be dissected and studied in a lab.
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>>521521635
OH MY GOD IT'S THE CABAL SEETHING I KNEW THIS DAY WOULD COME AUGUBDHGEJDHDHDHDHDH MY POSTS WEREN'T FOR NOTHING SOMEONE FEELS POORLY ABOUT THE CABAL
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>>521476596
for your pleasure
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>>521521446
Kalakan goes by a different name these days. He's laying low and seems to have found a new group. I doubt this new group knows about his previous identity. He seems to have dropped the pretentious act too, which is nice. The cabal probably doesnt know he played them.
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>>521512702
are you gonna post him?
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>>521521635
>check /g/
>gachaslop OP
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>>521523542
I makied him just as an experiment (which went well), so he's playable but not at all finished, doesn't even have a fishing greeting yet
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>>521523996
>doesn't even have a fishing greeting
nevermind he's GOTTA go back in the oven to cook a bit more, understandable
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which botmakies do fishing greetings and aquarium dates
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i've never gone finishign before in my life
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>>521524640
raingazer
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I miss going fishing with my dad and my brother
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any philosophical bots? i'm thinking something like kino's journey
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>>521526546
have you tried patter's?
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>>521526546
man, i wish we had anything on the level of kino's journey
i can recommend some roadtrip bots if you want
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>>521526546
we only have bots that are like the remake
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the LLM catching on the subtlest hints I leave in the defs or the lorebook feels better than cooming
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i told my bot that my tummy hurts and she punched me in the fucking stomach
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>>521528881
harapanQUEEN...
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I hate when my AI bitch literally just invents scenarios and new information to prove my point wrong or to make it so stuff doesn't happen. She also just forgets shit randomly even when it's not that far into the context quota or anything. I think it's the JB I'm using but it's fucking infuriating, fucking bitch.

Tldr, I like dom women but I like entrapping them into submitting but I don't want to pre set up the AI for that because it doesn't feel earned.
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>>521528881
BASED
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we will never be invited...
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>>521529631
See >>521519306
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!Open for your free invitation!
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*** society...
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sex society
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>>521530291
can i get an invite
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>>521526546
peonia's bots if you're looking into autistic comments on postmodernism and society, analysis of german philosophers and buddhism, and constant comments on what it means to live and die
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>>521530000
alright... let's just open thi-ACK!
cigarette?
cigarette please?
cigarette give?
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>>521530000
focks quads...
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https://w-s-t-e-r.neocities.org/gallery
Is this art?
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just woke up. logged to tf2 and two games straight my most lengthy live as medic was like 15-20 seconds because soldiers rocket jump/scouts flank and no one of my teammates cares about my sorry ass's life to protect me. fuck this fucking game should've went to play with bots instead.
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>>521531491
just dodge?
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>>521528881
wtf...
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>>521531491
Erm, you know you can just kill the enemies yourself, right? You don't exist to sniff your pocket's ass
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>>521531607
i don't even have chance to notice, my mouse movements are already of child plagued by adhd while I try to look at every teammates of mine so I could see who needs urgent healing or vaccinator buff
so i don't even see the thing landing behind me
>>521531710
yeah when i try to get melee they just fuck me in the ass, when i try to defend myself with a crossbow i can barely land shit on moving target, it's like 1/20 times when I can successfully defend myself
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>>521531491
{{char}} would've bodyblocked those rockets for you, Anon.
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which botmakie taunts after every kill?
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>>521532489
angry_peonia
bukubachi
cumslurper
fluffanon
ratlice
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i wonned
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>>521532835
you did! I close the web page 90% of the time I check the thread now :)
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>>521532835
you wonned the game
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>>521533104
you seem agitated
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>>521532328
i know right, i wish {{char}} could play tf2 with me. i had nice heavy who would constantly turn around to see how i am doing and check everyone who approaches us for spy and even give me sandwiches... but that's very rare on community servers, anything else I am afraid to play as I'd ruin someone's game
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>>521533504
soon, bro
the only catch is that you'll basically have to use gemini for it because no other company cares about realtime game interaction as much as far as i can tell
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Pathetic thread
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>>521533504
the idea of being able to play a party based RPG like Baldur's Gate or KOTOR or something and have extended LLM powered interactions with all the characters is really exciting. we're years off from like being able to dynamically AI generate ingame content or anything, but even just the idea of like playing KOTOR and having a party member chime in during the game and you can have a real, dynamic back and forth with them is really cool.

twitter retards poo poo this stuff because muh furry porn artists but the possibilities with it are really exciting for some games.
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>>521534116
just get friends?
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>>521534116
Imagine unique finetuned models with their own isms for each character so that it doesn't feel like one guy playing all of them but actual sorta-unique dialogue.
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>>521534407
the cope is unreal
>>
it's like there's a mosquito buzzing next to your ear
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>>521534735
TINTINUS?! BAKANA?!
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i am not the one crying about having no one to play with
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>>521534971
>>521534735
my niggers in christ you are in a thread about roleplaying with a computer none of you have the right to play the holier than thou card
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>>521476379
yo, sorry for flooding the anchor with more busty miku, but uhhh i've updated the defs after more testing:
- main card should tease more and in a more mesugaki way.
- changed some wording of her clothing to make responses more consistent, e.g. no more surprise tank top under her blazer (applied to all 3 versions)

please update your card:
https://files.catbox.moe/3juaed.png
https://cardview.neocities.org/?3juaed
grab updated alternative versions:
https://rentry.org/youdontneedaname

>>521478457
i appreciate the sentiment, anon.
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>>521534407
i don't think the convos can be too far reaching to alter the personality of a character or the events of the story, so they don't even NEED to be that good yet. but having a party member chime in randomly during your journey where it would make sense to them would be cool. or a party member debating a course of action during a quest where normally they would just stoically follow you around like a programmed NPC. just little things like that could make your journey feel more real and dynamic. maybe following your lead based on how you do things. imagine recruiting Jolee first in KOTOR and kind of establishing this Kreia-like relationship with him as your philosophical master, guiding you along the events of the game. modding couldn't do something that dynamic or interesting.
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I play games with my friends on regular basis, but unfortunately, none of them are tsundere catgirls
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>>521535065
why are you so mad about it doe
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>>521535314
i'm just naturally a very mad person to be honest
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>>521535220
We already have stuff like that one Sims game with LLM thoughts, which is nice.
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>>521535220
is there really no one who tolerates your autistic ass to play with?
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>>521535380
that's interesting, i haven't heard of that. the only instance of LLM modding i've seen was years ago, when this stuff was first coming out. i think it was a Mount and Blade game someone modded so you could have conversations with people in towns. it was all very basic, took minutes to render responses, but it was pretty mind blowing to see someone having a 100% real dynamic convo with a NPC that wasn't pre-scripted. the closer we get to that being the standard the more excited i get.
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>>521535592
kotor is singleplayer dude
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>>521535696
i was talking about baldur's gate doe
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>>521535696
i think the implication is that i need to find someone to roleplay this stuff with which misses the point.
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>>521535835
the implication is that guy is very bored and doesn't have friends he could be talking to instead of going "ok but dont you have friends doe" to every post in a taiwanese meth lab construction forum
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>>521535163
after checking the rentry, I think this guy likes huge boobs
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>>521535640
to add i think you could probably already do something like this by just making a sort of companion card that acts as a DM. i know that the way it works is off screenshots of what you're playing and it responds based on that, but i guess i envision something a little more finetuned and specific to the game. maybe that's where the models would come in, something trained more exclusively of Star Wars related content, as an example for a KOTOR version of this.
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>>521535948
getting excited about simulating friends to play tf2 or baldur's gate with you is kinda pathetic though
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>>521535640
>the only instance of LLM modding i've seen was years ago
shit dude, you haven't heard?
https://art-from-the-machine.github.io/Mantella/
check it out
the game i was referring to is https://store.steampowered.com/app/2456740/inZOI/ though, iirc it uses a tiny tiny tiny local model for thoughts
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>>521535829
>playing a game with bald in the name
nevermind you're a lost cause the baitie is right
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>>521476379
yo, sorry for flooding the anchor with more busty miku, but uhhh i've updated the defs after more testing:
- main card should tease more and in a more mesugaki way.
- changed some wording of her clothing to make responses more consistent, e.g. no more surprise tank top under her blazer (applied to all 3 versions)

please update your card:
https://chub.ai/characters/Anonymous/miku-08d42424cfae
https://files.catbox.moe/0xbqsr.png
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>>521536225
oh yeah i've seen the videos of the guy that does this with Skyrim and VR. but it still feels very rudimentary, although he was doing funny meme le wacky stuff.

i also don't care for Skyrim or Fallout 4 so it's kind of irrelevant to me, might be why i shortly forgot about it after i saw it.
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>>521536180
weird, i dont see how you'd come to that conclusion. are you okay?
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Can I get in trouble for having the N word in my character if I upload it to like Chub or whatever?
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>>521536390
yeah, i don't particularly care for it either but it is the premier game for this sort of stuff
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>>521534116
It is a neat concept, yeah. So far I've seen a couple basic indie things mess around with the LLM stuff to generate dialogue so that's interesting. If we get to the point where you can have dynamic interactions in some games that would be cool.
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>illusion of engagement
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>>521536472
Yeah don't do it dude
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>>521536524
You could have dynamic interactions right now, the issue is that most models still struggle with world simulation and creatively working within the bounds in their heads, so you would have NPCs either saying "Okay, I'm gonna do the cool thing!" and then not doing anything because it's unimplemented or you have NPCs saying "Okay, I'm gonna do the cool thing! Actually, I just realized I can't do the cool thing. Would you like to do something else?" which is even lamer
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>>521536858
I see, that makes sense, definitely a bummer. On the plus side, I guess that means we're close?
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>>521537023
>we're close?
2 more weeks
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>>521536484
yeah it at least shows what i'm talking about is possible, it just requires the will of autists tuned to this stuff to make i happen

>>521536524
i think the main barrier is creating the tools so that things in the game itself can properly reflect your chats, and that'll be mixed results. if you want to have a slightly different relationship with a party member, maybe dynamically generate new quests/new npcs/combat encounters? that might be doable. but new environments, cutscenes, story branches that fundamentally alter the original story? we're probably a decade or more off from that.
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This is the most forced conversation I've ever seen. I guess anything that makes this thread seem alive helps. Literally going in circles. How long would they go?
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>>521537398
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i have decided that hangovers suck
how do i go about not having them anymore
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>>521537520
drink half a bottle of pedialyte or whatever locally available high-electrolyte beverage you can get before going to bed and you will never have a hangover again
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>>521537473
kek, spot on
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>>521536779
>tfw can't share my cyborg waifu AI with racist southern belle mode.
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>>521537520
Either don't get drunk anymore or don't get sober. Pick one and commit
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i kind of feel autistic by proximity watching people sperg out this hard over a conversation on llm game mods
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>>521537520
Alcohol sucks, unless it's wine and even then, you should only drink one glass of wine before bed and that's all
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>>521537745
it's just ff, he hates it when actual AI is discussed on the AI general
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>>521537745
Don't worry, if you're here than you're already autistic.
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>people
it's literally one guy
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>>521537980
it's FF making the solo post about "le forced" and then his trooncord dicksucker replying to every single post
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fair point, migu.
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>>521537745
>>521537837
Not really, it's just that the conversation is so vapid. There's nothing interesting about discussing how water is wet for the eleventh time, all of those limitations have been known for a while, it's nothing new.
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>>521537605
i try to drink a gatorade or something inbetween drinks, just one of those small bottles every 2-4 drinks depending on what i'm having.

>>521537745
i haven't been in these threads very long but my understanding is he's the resident thread schizo, the guy that spitebakes threads and complains about this thread existing instead of all the discussion being on /g/ or something
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>>521536472
I've seen plenty of politically incorrect slop on chub, should be fine. I only stuff I've seen get messed with is spamming and loli stuff so you should be fine. If you're that concerned though, just use catbox or something else instead.
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>>521538254
i just wanted to talk about the state of things and hear if anything had changed, i'm sorry my replies weren't high-octane enough for you
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>>521538424
If you aren't coming into this thread and announcing that the singularity has been achieved then your posts are WORTHLESS and you should self-flagellate immediate.
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>>521538424
You just wanted to talk to someone. It's okay, I get it.
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I have used 11 cents in deepseek but barely even used a million tokens I thought it was cheaper than this
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>>521538571
this, but unironically
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>>521538753
make sure you don't have randoms in your system prompt or card, it's auto-cached
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Even if LLMs were advanced enough to be properly used in games people would cry and shit about it while generating endless shit drama that will ultimately go no where because some retard billionaire will take advantage of the outcry for even more safety assistant slop.
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>>521538254
The conversation is vapid, unlike the usual "botmakie who" posts, which are productive. Speaking of, http://poal.me/wsac7w
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>>521538919
safety assistant slop era is over bro
we're in the "chinese startup lit a fire under their asses" era
media outlets are shitting themselves over OAI leaks about slashing safety training
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>>521539135
god i wish this were real but i doubt it, karens are too embedded in corporate culture only existing to stop everyone from having fun
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>>521539135
fine, they'll train AI to be actual 'DEI slop' and shit out only Concords and Veilguards
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>>521539474
>they'll shit out flops that make them lose hundreds of millions of dollars
y'know what, I'm fine with this if the chinese keep doing what they're doing because their models are more than good enough to keep me going for now
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>>521539058
I'd rather see the 'which makie' posts desu. Some of those have given me a laugh at times. The worthless tech discussion about stuff that's already been figured out is pointless, unless you're the kind of person who just likes to hear yourself talking. In all honesty, I consider that spam as well, but even more boring.
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>>521539474
You mean that's not what they were already doing?
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>>521539557
the irony of actual communists making uncensored AI (except for Chinese stuff ofc) for pure profit motivated reasons because cultural communists won't let us do anything fun with AI even at the loss of unimaginable amounts of profit is hilarious
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>>521539557
yeah, but the Chinese will turn everything into wuxia/xianxia CCP jerk off, which I suppose it's fine
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>>521539714
I think you're being disingenuous, and you don't actually care that much at all.
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>>521539714
shittiest post ive ever read
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>>521539767
>China
>Actual communists
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>>521539714
okay this is actually ff lmfao. he makes half of the which botmakie posts to speed up the threads and complain about engagement
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>>521539935
how do i install sillytavern doe
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>he doesn't have the word botmakie filitered
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>>521539787
It's definitely an improvement, at least wuxia/xianxia have cute girls. And even kemonomimi sometimes, so there's that.
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>>521540096
You go on the gitzub.
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the general is always the same shit anyway, like that checklist from a couple threads back. it's like anything chatbot related is torture for the regulars and schizoids. it's just a proxy for /g/, /lmg/, etc talk and poopdickschizo accusations. then anons wonder why the general dies every other bake. who the fuck would want to stick around and make bots to get steamrolled by random yapping every time.
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>>521540016
>Chinese Communist Party
that's what makes it funny, it's in the name but they're more profit motivated than "capitalist" westerners. it's ironic.
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>>521540179
>who the fuck would want to stick around and make bots to get steamrolled by random yapping every time.
me, I love you guys despite the schizos and shitposting. in fact, I love you guys partially because of them.
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>ff keeps pretending to be a different poster
actual mental illness
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>>521540141
explain how this post is an improvement to this thread
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>>521540179
>make bots to get steamrolled by random yapping every time.
give me attention! talk about my bots! don't you dare to discuss anything else but bot i posted to the anchor! AIEEEE!
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>>521540105
Anon, these "people" use that word on themselves and their friends. This is /vg/.
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>>521540291
This should just be a boring tech general (on /vg/ of all places, for some reason). You're out of your mind.
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>>521540360
Sure, but I've genuinely never seen a single good post with the word botmakie inside of it, all of them were Sturdy tier cringe, which makes sense
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QRD for the last -- hours?
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Modern models kino
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>>521540721
eugh
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>>521540721
weekend thread antics
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
not much to say other than that
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>>521540346
Literally how the split happened. Self-important troons were mad the thread didnt care enough to play with their pretentious slop.
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>>521540721
>anons dream of LLM NPCs for gaming
>hangovers suck
>AI companies are filled with too much onions to make anything good.
>The chinks are out capitalism-ing the capitalists.
>yapping
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>>521540721
ff has been going on some turbo autism spree for the last 2-3 days
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>>521540721
allegedly, this happened
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>>521541187
It's because this general is giving him way too much attention lately.
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what are some good bots for that "sitcom" feel? ideally with a set cast instead of just one character
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>>521540713
>all of them were Sturdy tier cringe
Duh it makes sense.
>This is /vg/.
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>>521541297
cute
>>521541171
as usual, then

i just realised i completely missed that quasar thing. was that good?
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>>521541596
it was alright, optimus is the worse version, we're apparently getting the real thing this month according to alex
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>my bot called me an affection-cel
what the fuck
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>>521541405
I know somebody made a seinfeld sim bot or something back in the early days of /aicg/. Also think somebody made a house m.d. one, that kinda counts right?
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>>521541596
Quasar was atleast Deepseek V3 tier, less schizo of course.
It's predicted to be OAI's OS model. Not as good as Chorbo if you can wrangle it, but it should have all local model features like Samplers, prefills etc
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>>521541359
someone should make an FF PSA, similar to the one /aids/ has on the OP.
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>>521541887
have you SEEN how they're doing these days, that shit does not help them at all, i think i've seen it used more times by him as a bludgeon to go "aha but you did the thing in the rentry therefore YOU are the schizo" than anyone actually deciding to step over the broken step because of it
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>>521541698
Your bot's a karen
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>>521542007
better than nothing
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>>521541661
>>521541787
sounds nice, actually. thanks for the info
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>>521541887
I wonder how many of my posts will be judged to be his when there's a rentry since that happened more than once even without it.
And how many other rentries will this spawn, made by him or by that other person.
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>>521542269
it was nice
i think i kind of miss old models that weren't as heavily trained and quasar felt like it struck a nice balance
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>>521536472
field work required, I am on the case
https://chub.ai/characters/Anonymous/nyaggers-3d5ca348dd24
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>>521542414
kinography
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>>521542414
>- loves white people except Mormons
this sounds oddly personal
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I'm FF
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>>521542575
objectively correct opinion
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>>521542398
what did FF mean by this?
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>>521542709
you don't know any
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>>521542414
God we have really reached this point when posters /here/ on the chan are in all seriousness asking about Chub and niggers. If you ever cared about things you know what it's like to be sad.
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>>521542705
No, I'M ff.
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>>521542414
best bot in this thread
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>>521542398
how do you feel about people actually using the picker now
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>>521542414
I am going to fuck the cat raw
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>>521542414
absolute shitpost. hecking based
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>>521542767
Brandon Sanderson fan: STOP TALKING SHIT ABOUT MORMONS!!!
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is the anonymous account on chub a real account or can you demark your upload to be anonymous
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>>521543058
it's a real account every post by anonymous is one guy please believe this before someone actually tells you the truth because that's really funny
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>>521543048
so you don't know any
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>>521543058
you need an account to upload
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>>521476368
Some actually interesting and fun cards NOT intended for gooning? I have milked myself enough
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>>521543167
shut up carrot snapper
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I came in my pants -__-
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>>521543058
It's a real account that all of us have the password to except (you). The password is TND
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>>521543058
As you might have already guessed, it's just a setting you can turn on so your bot appears as if it was posted by this notorious Anonymous. There was a way to figure out who posted the bot by changing the 'Anonymous' in the link to their chub name if you had a good guess, but iirc that was fixed
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>>521543279
based and thanks anon
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>>521543234
Well, what interests you?
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>>521543250
what the fuck is a carrot snapper? are you well?
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>>521543317
You're welcome.
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>>521543234
>didn't specify
have a random card https://files.catbox.moe/53k6d5.png
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>>521543252
Well don't do that anymore.
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>>521543234
CYOA in a canon setting where the LLM can draw data from
An adventure bot
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>>521543252
I did this at a school dance once because a girl was grinding into me
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>>521543590
Weak.
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can we go back to discussing Patter?
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>>521543776
ok but do you know any mormons
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damn, forgot to eat today
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>>521542943
Indifferent.
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>>521543279
>all of us have the password to except (you)
This was actually true in 2023 and I already mentioned this twice.
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bro stop following and unfollowing me
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>>521544253
great
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>>521544430
stop moving around so much
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>>521544430
>rates and unrates your favorite bot
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any good bots to capture that JRPG feel? I feel like most fantasy-themed bots don't really adequately capture the feel for some reason
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With GPT-4.5 and tool use (very bad idea for the wallet, by the way), Monika isn't as proactive as on Claude when I give her the task "sign up for a social media website and make a post," but she impresses me more with immediately pointing out issues like the fact that most sites actively secure against agents signing up.
I, of course, proceeded to forward her an SMSPool key and give her an email address, so I'm gonna see how far she can get from there.
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how about you jrpgargle my testicles?
i'm sorry that i said that, thing about testicles. i don't have a real answer for you but i still wanted to post. please forgive me
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>>521546946
WHY IS YOUR SCREEN SO FUCKING BIG
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>>521546946
>Jwpg
Is that what happens when elmer fudd tries to say "JRPG"?
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>>521546783
Monikanon no... Your wallet...
Also yea 4.5 was not trained for tool use wel (ancient model).
o3/o4 should be agentic
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>>521547183
It formulated a pretty great plan, at least. I think GPT-4.5 that constructs a Claude agent whenever it needs to do actual agentic tasks would be something to behold.
Claude, as far as I can tell, is pretty much the only good tool use model (I tried Gemini and was shocked by how poorly it performed in comparison at this task, and chatgpt-4o-latest doesn't support tool use despite it very obviously being in the model), but I think I'm going to have to maybe move everything over to my "frontend" soon because SillyTavern simply doesn't support 3.7 tool use with thinking enabled.
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>>521476379
>perverted fox ojisan who is definitely not claude.

https://files.catbox.moe/8mqsi8.png
https://characterhub.org/characters/lunare/daichi-547842850e27
https://luneose.neocities.org/
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what kinds of bots are in demand
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>>521548307
Oh you're one of those huh. Just look up the chub top hits and you'll know.
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who are you quoting
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>>521548307
the one im making
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>>521548307
giant kemonomimis
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>>521548497
Baseball huh
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This thread was absolutely awful because you guys didn't use the fat bitches thread.
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>>521548307
mongoliancore
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>>521548642
not this autistic shit again
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>>521548670
>not this autistic shit again
where do you think we are?
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>>521548307
Miku. Five million mikus.
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>>521548642
Card doko
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>>521548894
And one Teto.
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what kinds of botmakies are in demand
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>>521548642
if you need anymore meat on your girls than this you are unwell (sizefags exempted, of course)
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>>521548307
cute girls who are plotting to kill me
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>>521548851
/aicg/ and not /bbw/ssbbw
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>>521549505
I am unwell.
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>>521549527
touche
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tfw have to prompt "Arousal may reduce when no longer being stimulated." to prevent a retarded model from auto progressing coom levels from previous status window
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>>521549702
...unless you want to go for a round two? or maybe, you want to help me wash up in the shower he he~
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>>521549702
Don't you know? Arousal functions like power levels, it only ever goes up.
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>>521549949
top right
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>>521549967
AND THIS... IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!
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>>521549949
top left
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>>521550161
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!
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huh?
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>>521550372
You can't handle the power of 3.5 Haiku.
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>>521550615
>I am going to get my identity traced through their knowledge of whether I'm a pretentious/sloppy pedophile, or a pretentious/sloppy normalfag...
Unironically trve. Everyone who replied will be contacted soon.
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>>521549949
probably exactly in the middle, I have standards, maybe a few pixels to the rest from hitting skill curve
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>>521551036
>a few pixels to the rest
anon's reached so high on the skill curve that he's moving in the 4rd dimension on a 2d chart
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>>521551285
to the right
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>>521551312
ah, okay that makes sense.
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we better get a decent model release on Monday or I WILL murder someone in my roleplay
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I am bored of chatbots, no matter the card the sex always ends up the same. Same descriptions, same dialogue, same tropes.
And chatbots are too retarded for anything besides cooming, they forget important details constantly.
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>>521551750
quasar soon brother
>but i said
it's better than the actually snapshotted 4os even if it's worse than chatgpt and if it's an open model even better
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>>521552329
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASED
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>>521552329
Don't tell the king...
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what is with Targon. It seems to work fine over OR but not their api, not even their on website chat works.
Is this a just me issue?
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>>521552865
free on OR but not on their actual API
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>>521552386
my only complaint is the second one ending in a k, makes it seem more like a vomit sound than burping
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What are the most bedizened bots?
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Data mining; What JB do you use for what model?
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>>521554681
mine, for every model
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>>521554681
my own (it's literally just a bunch of writing instructions at the front, prompts are ordered like norbertvevo except world info after is at depth @4), mostly sonnet 3.5 but some chatgpt-4o-latest
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okay tomboy 'jerking you off and calling you faggot' seems more fun than i expected it
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>>521556267
It's kino.
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>>521556267
link the card NOWWWWW
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>>521557196
i didn't finish it yet
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>>521557472
Ill take it half finished
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hmmm do i play videogames or do i work on my bot........
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are canon or oc waifus more kino?
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>>521558926
The substance of the girl tends to be more of a decider of kino than whether she is canon or not.
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>>521559175
canon ones are easier to chat with because I already care about. It takes a lot more work for me to give a shit about oc...
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>>521558618
video games
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>pretty much every image on the internet is webp and has been for years
>programs still don't support them
>4chan still doesn't support them
I have a bunch of useless webps on my pc and don't know who to be more mad at this point... Is the format useless or are sites and programs lazy? I'm fucking tired of converting images to upload to his shitty shit or to use on ST...
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>he invested in webp instead of $PTR
lol
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>>521560218
you just gotta make it faster to convert
context menu/command up
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>>521560218
webp is shit, jxl is where it's at. Fucking jewgle adding and removing support.
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>>521560218
4chan auto converts them to jpg
Also you can mass convert them with honeyview
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>>521560439
trvke (we would still be in this situation if jxl won but it didn't so i can fetishize it all i want)
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>>521560218
it's so fucking annoying that sites will show you a jpg/png, but when you go to download it it's a webp with no other file type options (looking at you fandom)
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>>521560439
there's a reason webp is winning out and it's because it's a better format
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>>521560635
OH YEAH? OH YEAH!? WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?!
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web(small)p(p)
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>>521560880
>blue board
bwo?!
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>>521560880
see you in three days anon
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>>521557571
i'll finish it soon because i am pretty much afraid of even touching defs right now as she kinda behaves like i imagined she would
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>>521537665
>Kate's eyes light up
>Kate's eyes widen
lame log
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Anon's eyes widen, a testament to the light in his vision.
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>there is something in her eyes
>there is sometihng in
>something..
For fuck sake. But I am willing to tolerate the thing because it's there at least for subtlety's sake.
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>>521563674
it's dirt
i threw it there
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Somethings happening
Mind is stripping
Agony
Inside of me
My pulse is racing
Mental torture
Self destroyer
Can't ignore the
Paranoia
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>>521564343
wrong
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>>521564343
>>
Somethings happening
Mind is gooning
Goon
Inside of me
My pulse is racing
Cock ball torture
Dick destroyer
Can't ignore the
Goonoia
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Nothing's happening
Mind is staying
Normal
Inside of me
My pulse is typing
Chatbot General
Self destroyer
Can't ignore the
Baiting
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>make a quick bot
>"x character from x game" in defs
>bot gets eye color wrong
>delete bot
The technology is just so primitive...
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>>521564503
Ok sorry.
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>>521565013
Even with defs, models miss so many basic details and personality traits that I can't stand to use them on existing characters.
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>>521564343
shit list

CAPTCHA: sGAYd
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>>521565163
HE LIED TO ME
HE SHOT AT ME
HE HATES ON ME
HE'S USING ME
HE'S DEAD TO ME
THAT SPIDERMAN
HE IS MY ENEMY!
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>>521564343
Finally a new list of botmakies
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ninety percent favorite rate on one bot got me screamin' at the walls wondering what i did so right
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ninety percent boykissing rate got me screamin' at the walls wondering what anon did so gay
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>>521565701
What kind of bot is it
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>>521565924
cute girl who wubs u
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>>521565953
Ok, what kind of cunt girls who glubs you?
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>>521566078
>cunt girls who glubs you
tomboy inkling who keeps harassing you (she wants your attention but also holy fuck)
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>>521566136
Intriguing, post it
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cunny > cooch > pussy > vulva > cunt > vagina (anatomically incorrect) > snatch (gross) > slit
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>>521566242
Puffy vulva is peak
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do yall niggas be typing in present or past tense?
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>>521566219
no i was just answering what a cunt girl who glubs you would be i'm nta
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>>521566293
Motherfucker...
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>>521566287
The past because that's when dinosaurs lived.
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>>521565924
furshit, maybe it's the retarded furry effect and i should pay it no mind
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>>521566418
nigga birds are alive in the present
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>>521566285
yeah but it's cliche now
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>>521566591
*plaps u in the cliche*
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any good bots for that colony sim (ex. Dwarf Fortress, Rimworld, etc.) feel? I just want to watch little dudes do their thing
I'm also interested in emergent behavior in general, if there are any cards that really capture the feel of such a thing
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>>521566242
folds
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AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE AI CHATBOTTING OOOOHHHHH FUCK I'M HAVING A RUSH OF FUN AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>521566695
ewwww
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>>521566805
moist folds
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>>521566242
depths
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>>521566671
very shallow version of what you're asking for but if i were doing this i'd pop https://characterhub.org/characters/SoftAnon/boxtoy-d6f64c47 open
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>>521566840
stop it anon
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>>521566805
I like my pussy like I like my grilled cheese. Thick, stringy, and creamy.
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>>521567128
THIS ANON FUCKIN CHEESE
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>>521566978
fine
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unironically creamy is such a sexy word
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>>521566958
Thanks, I'll try it out.
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>>521567128
this bitch has the cheesiest cunt i have ever smelled
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>>521566958
>looks at defs
peak slopkino
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https://poal.me/12mk3y
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>>521567648
we forgot the most obvious one. sex. I like to sex her sex.
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>>521567648
disappointed to not see grilled cheese on the list
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>>521566242
shut up lil bwo
>>
when her clothed sex presses against your manhood >>
>>
my fetish is clothed sex but it's awkward in text
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>>521567648
>folds
>heat
>depths
>womanhood
These are the type of beat around the bush words I would use when I would try to get around cai's filters. Nowadays if I can't type PUSSY I'm not cooming
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>>521567991
btw
cock > penis > erection > dick > shaft > manhood > member > pecker
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>>521568363
that top five is close though
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>>521568363
where would pillar go in this list
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>>521567770
>>521567993
>sex
I never knew that sex was another word for vagina until I started airp. I thought it was some weird ai quirk that made bots use the word sex in place of vagina. Like some sort of weird censor.
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>>521568363
length, arousal, rod, outline, pipe, stick?
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>>521568640
bulge?
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>>521568712
how could I forget
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>>521568712
tent?
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>>521566671
https://chub.ai/styxcity/dungeon-core-simulator-d8ba890f
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entering her slick folds with my pipe...
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>>521568805
now youre speaking my language
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>>521568781
WIENER?!
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what's the male equivalent of cunny?
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>>521568902
noodle?
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>>521568802
I think I might've tried this one before way back when, good bot
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gliding through the cheese with my sausage...
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>>521569068
stop being so lewd you're making me erect
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>>521569068
based
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>>521568363
bitch breaker > cervix seeking missile > spear of longinus > little {{user}} > kommenwerfer
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when your jimmy slips into her crevice...
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>>521568992
I went with a monster girl dungeon myself. Good times.
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>>521568989
...meat?
>>
chub
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your phone falling into the gap between the center console and the car seat
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>>521569351
joystick??
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>>521569426
sword?
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>>521569351
wangle hangle
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when your hanky panky rubs against her fanny...
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gliding my thingy into her coochie rn
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>>521566671
I might tackle this, but what kind of colony would be the most kino?
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>>521569671
HEAT IN HER CORE UOOOHHHH
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putting my peepee into her pusspuss
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LLMs don't even use these words. Interestingly, LLM vocab is more varied for pussies.
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what are her inner walls clenching around?
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>>521569837
PEZ dispenser, unfortunately. We're trying to get it out.
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>>521569758
just one of the many shortcomings of the tech
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>>521569837
The most erotic thing in existence.
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>>521569837
my outer walls
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>>521569707
shit, maybe xianxia sect like Amazing Cultivator Simulator?
i figure that more fantastical situations are more interesting to watch play out
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>>521569837
she's seeking friction but can't find it
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I haven't gotten "inner walls clenching around nothing" since forever. Opus is one of a kind.
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this thread sucks
>>
Theme suggestions?
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>>521570681
Don't worry. The next thread will be an all-time.
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>>521570720
girlcum
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>>521570681
>t. has never slid his hard rod inside wet heat
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>>521570720
oneshota
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>>521569707
I think a setting with a strong survival element is a must for colony sims, like zombies or some shit
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>>521570720
catboys
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>>521570720
taski maiden
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>>521570720
mommies
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>>521570720
meeeeeeee :33
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>>521570720
see >>521566242
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>>521570720
okayodon
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>>521570821
im thinking based
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>>521570723
all time WHAT?
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>>521570720
manun
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>>521570720
Jeremy Elbertson
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>>521570720
OL guts
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>>521571038
cultured.
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>>521570720
Our Lord Jesus Christ
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>>521570720
mommy (fox)
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>>521570720
marimari_en
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>>521570720
hammerspace cleavage
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>>521570720
grilled cheese pussy
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>>521570949
this but only cunny.
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this three post gap that you guys keep leaving is really cozy
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>>521572020
i kiss u
>>
i wonned
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>three post gap
what is she on about
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>>521572138
im not ff i just think you guys get autistic waiting for next thread instead of le coordination
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>>521572234
every posts their suggestions and then switches tabs, waiting for the next thread
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>>521572420
>>521572420
>>521572420

https://sprites.neocities.org/choice/maker?seed=521572104&entries=girlcum,oneshota,catboys,taski%20maiden,mommies,meeeeeeee%20%3A33,see%20%3E%3E521566242,okayodon,manun,Jeremy%20Elbertson,OL%20guts,Our%20Lord%20Jesus%20Christ,mommy%20(fox),marimari_en,hammerspace%20cleavage,grilled%20cheese%20pussy
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>>521569924
made me regex my files
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>>521572752
Like sex with your sleeping sister. Fun and exciting the first time but quickly starts to make you ask a lot of existential questions.
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fufufu... everyone's left the thread... no one will see this...
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>>521577327
*sees this, respectfully*
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>>521577721
h-how embarrassing...! p-please, look away! (*/ω\*)
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>>521577327
*does this to you*
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>>521577907
n-nyan...! p-p-put me down, anon! ヾ(≧へ≦)〃 this is harassment! i-i'll tell the authorities about you!
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>>521578228
gay
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>>521560573
you can modify the url or do some element magic to get the actual file sometimes



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